Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Ekonomi Tumbuh, Belum Tentu Dinikmati Semua - Bhima Yudhistira | Endgame #264

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:https://books.endgame.id/Sudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini:  / what-it-takes  ------------------Ekonomi Indonesia tumbuh 5%, tapi kelas menengah justru makin terjepit di tengah. Mereka dianggap terlalu kaya untuk dapat subsidi, namun terlalu kecil untuk dianggap sejahtera.Apa sebenarnya prioritas ekonomi kita?Pahami penjelasan Bhima Yudhistira, seorang ekonom dan Direktur Eksekutif CELIOS, dalam pembicaraannya dengan Gita Wirjawan.Tentang Bintang Tamu:Bhima Yudhistira adalah ekonom Indonesia yang menjabat sebagai Direktur Eksekutif Center of Economic and Law Studies (Celios). Ia kerap menjadi narasumber di berbagai media nasional untuk membahas kebijakan fiskal, utang negara, investasi, hilirisasi industri, hingga dampak kebijakan publik terhadap kelas menengah dan UMKM.Topik Selengkapnya:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:13 - Perjalanan hidup Bhima0:04:48 - Bertemu Ekosistem yang tepat0:09:07 - Spesialis atau generalis?0:12:18 - Intelektualitas generasi muda0:14:50 - Masalah kelas menengah0:19:40 - Kebijakan fiskal0:28:28 - Danantara & hilirisasi0:36:58 - Praktik terbaik Malaysia0:39:42 - SDM belum jadi prioritas0:42:48 - Formula kemajuan Tiongkok0:55:48 - Transisi energi1:04:42- Tiga jalur transisi energi1:09:04 - Ekonomi restoratif1:15:10- Ketimpangan struktural1:19:36 - Apa obatnya?1:25:52 - "Harus ada optimisme"#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #BhimaYudhistira-----------------Episode lain yang mungkin Anda sukai:   • Arah Ekonomi di Era Pemimpin Baru - Hendri...     • Kelas Menengah Digempur Ketidakpastian - C...     • Faisal Basri: Prioritas Kita Berbenah, Buk...  -----------------

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class menhunga this ismakable, they're being too Kaya to get backtment social and BBM subsidi, but they're also too low-waxed, to beaumop the top of the people so they're in the people. Sohs, the middle.

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so there optimism Hello, I'm Thank you to give us What It Takes, South East Asia, is already in the

BASA Indonesia and BASA English. Bucco it is gottkaidtkaidtka and atopo Bucs. Endgame.id. And in the tokutu the show. Now, back to the show. Hello,

Taman, we're here today we're in Della as the director executive Celios. Bima, thank you very. Thank you very. Thank you.

Telling the life you know how much. Gets, where you're going to get a good at least two and and secalance. And, very active in economy and activism, you know, to bejolar to where, that's going to,

for the development of the future. Silakan. Yeah. So, we're... So, we're from, from, I, when s mp. It's

I'm very much about people who so on the people two-doin-law many-supply many-clic books-buck-buk. So,

the S-MP, if I've been, read a one-demonstrant Ghi. Then, book-buck-buck-d-

The Economist, the same the majolus, book-n-stig-litz, book-buck-buck- -critus, Paul-Barran, Mir saman.

So, yeah. SMP, where? SMP is in Bacassi. Nanshawal. Yeah. So, in Bekasi, too, taurran, banjir. And,

and the other people are like that. So, it's really so much more than it's quite quite. But at the same it, the people are also mehikin can,

so, because, so, the first time the people people, that'singahingah isingah from Bekasi to Jokja, that's always to go toko, there's to be a goodo. And, after that, I'm really,

so I'm interested, from the book that, it's how can be a concept that because the budainess that's being which is being uncooled-traked, SMA, then, SMO, MESMMMM is at Bekasi, um, um, uh, uh, it's more than

it's more, it's more than when it's, we're seeing, it's in especially, so, so,

so, we brought book that's being, geth, or, or, at home

six sore, in the Pupustaken, uh, school, yeah, that's, it's,

it's, it's, But I'm notable, we're we're not much bachia, what other than the other than in other, I'm about, I'm doing psychology, I've bachar, physical,

learn, and then, so, the ecosystem is it's a system that ecosystem it's not only about ecosystem intellectual

in the room school, but also ecosystem to be activism. So, From the work of the work of the work of the work for the work for the work I'm gonna docksy-ac-a-suskubilic, after that, not,

with people who have had been with people who have been critical. I've seen got, Mr. Frierson Basque, then, Paesal, Basri, status is also al-marhum, status is still, status is still, class of the class of classed.

Yep. In-patter the semester after semester 7, it's there's perwakilant of Indef, then there's Paixal Basri also, we've got to Jakarta. So, there's Bu, N.I. Al-Marhum. Then, Paesal-Basri, too, two-dha-na-na-hom.

This are two economists that's quite senior. I've tried to Jakarta. And in Jakarta, you can't be pattyhan. that economy that's the economy but also, learning, learn to use to use,

to look at statistics. So, from the way that, I'm seeing that, yeah, when we're getting mentor that's we're upka

the right, even, even, the, the, but, mayn't in can'tin sastra,

and can'tin fil-savat and feel, visipal. in UGM. So, partemannaned weas, I'm sure, I'm patient,

it, will be get to meet. So, so I'm going to be happy. Because, before lulles, status is already worked at

at that, in Dev. Yeah, and, did just of one one of one one,

one, yeah, yeah. At that, was in Barii, the Barii bian, B,

And then, Bim, if you have been here, Bim, if you know, we'll use, we'll use in the media national, we'll comeum can't, one campus, one faculty, economy, and there's a thing. So, there's a lot of it. I was a semester one, it's beenulis in Republica. Uh, when it was, well, for jajan, yeah, 100,000.

But, but chairn't the time. And then in Koran Sindo in the rubric maasysu. Compas, also there. So, so there's catarication slain baca, also, many people.

I'm going to do you want? Ibu. Aya, yeah, y'allon. Nodoran book, right? Yeah. I'm, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's been rebasked. Okay. So, so, so, I'mbex can, so,

so, I'm sure, so, the time I'm at the time 3 because of the time because of discussion after I'm getting to be a lot of

he, he's just basis is trust not ever look at a rapport or what? Yeah, it's, hampir jarang almost, am I just,

yeah, she's about work he was working he only supporting financial and also supporting book. Okay. If there's a problem,

if there's always do you know about and don't even sit there still has been so much to adaping a problem.

Myak. If you, if you buy in book, for you, much, not book of economy just, right,

I'm, I'm, I'm going to talk to contrast two book. One, the one,

that's called Malton Gladwell, juduling Outlawyers. specialization in one dimension just 10-dhsum jam, jade it's barren. One other range by David Epstein. Lebarin, awasan.

Late specialization. But you, minglutti, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, more in this, now, that's more sustainable, expertise-ness.

You're, cendrung to where, the theory of Clarkville, the theory, the theory, the theory, Epstein. I'm sure to

Epstein. Yeah. So it's range, that's a book that's interesting, covererna, a lot of the original. So, it's pretty much that it's justerh, that's justraff, you know, for several things,

like Tiger Woods, that's, it's, but there's also the people who'm mulberry justo from sepac ball. That's right. And that's, and it's, I mean,

I'm like that's a big of the Nobel, Nobel-noble that's sifted while Nobel-Economy, he's probably a hobby, or a sub-a-talentah, that's in-bidang, in-la-dar-dary-li-loumation. So, there who ballerina, there who's a peasant-saxophone,

there who, also, a person-been, there pelukis, too. So, so I'm looking that we have to try not even experimental this. Don't ever

to be able to one this, we focus just, but we're not to look as far as that we can't learn from there. At least even in permukaan, but I

always I'll say to tell you to people, like, so one time I get to Bupati in one one day in Jolla Timur, the

perbincangangelover So it's like, sole economy. Enagaran dairah. Enaguerre. So, we need to be able to click. Yeah. Where, kind of spare part of mobile that's specific, it turned out of London. Now, so we need to be able to talk about issue fashion,

from automotive, from the issue the other than I'ma until I was to give up to that Semarang it, we've been 13thal while there 130 club pedal so we're

so for upgrading. This, this, this, this, this, maybe, this is itularkan to generation muda. Yeah. Because, yeah,

one, I'm ratin, they're like, I'm not much I'm back up too. Too much Bacetop. Two, yeah,

it's not multi-dimension yeah, yeah, and you know, I think I'm sure people,

not the kids, or generation penurs. Yeah, we've got wancara some of the people,

one of the one of Michael Lovett, he, he won't the Nobel in Kimia,

belajure physical, but butchard biologi but I'ma but he's about he's to bealantur

to economy to geopolitic to to philosophy and and everything that that

the people people are to multi-dimensical yeah yeah right yeah

you to make about one to beubub two to make to make up to the

to the because many people who people who are under amnesia history, or amnesia historic three to multi-dimensicant DIR. Yeah. I'm just quite,

because, some, the month, there are many, talk book, to book,

indie, and then, club club book book. If, in social media, there's the name name,

So, he review book. Because of the first of course, then, burrow, burrow, di review, that, in my opinion I, that's one thing, that's one thing. Now,

some point, I'm looking, there's a new thing. Maybe because, before, flexing, or performative, it's,

the, the material. Yeah. Yeah. good, has madehapuos, has fashion, have room

that's the time that's important yeah, performative is themmamir can't book new. Cerean. I'm not sure.

But for the stifatness some of the part of the but this one thing that is one thing that's one the time frame of

I'm making club clubb back in many areas that has been did dorong. Bedah, beda booku, just back, they're in this I have resolution 2,000. This is setackan the two booku

soal Debu Morawali, that novel. It's recananation to beda, in the place, toco booku, the area, at Tregalek, then in Surabaya, and in the

places, Malang, like, so. So, it's, it's, made, it's, and not just mubbubbushed,

but he, but he also getemal right, not many, sometimes, 20 people, 30 people. After that, we're talking about. Oh, yeah. Biccar, but we're just

about the condition economy, condoesy, conditions of the young who's hard that's hard to get work, misal, until issues, soal,

the problem, the problem, transportation. So, there has space that's the creation that and it's

not right, because space that it's just for content they're in social media. Right, right. Right. Okay, we have a few bit of course that we're going to be able to be it.

How about the way? As far as far as, we're cupas, one per one. Yeah. Economy this, I'm liatner, the clompok It's sola, it's service with back, with bantuan social,

there MBG, there's a lot of program, Ruma, subsidy, it's a part of the of the bottom, the Kloombe, in the Klemah in this, that's not too

much, in the part of the time in the last so the policy of the class menhawk, it's the sifatnery

Paraghery. The power of the in the middle of the from the problem inflation of pangans that's what they're because if there protection is

many social safety net. Now, then the in the top 20% that's the top 20% that is it's much more to

consistency of the course geopolitical soing soing they're more more sensitive

and embellocan asset-aset that's-as-as-hap-havent, umas, misal. Now, artini what, artiness, economy we can't move 5% but the quality of the partumboan that's

the middle-in-a-n-n-nongued this, is more than-cath-a-lac-lac-lac-a-cac-old. They're too-cay-old to get-b-b-b-b-subs-di-list-subs-sidi. But, they're, It's evenarlybara, to be used to beaughan-a-half

or people-orang-a-kaheat. So, so they're squeezed in the middle. Now, this, which is a bigian, like Larry Summers, it's, he's a secular state nation.

So, okay, the, the GDP, partumbuant economy, there's, there's a problem, 4.9, 5%.

But, that's problem is the workhawned not there. the workerating not much more people whoopless to make sure

work less than after the first grade-duit to be pangil first time interview that can't five months now this

that is solved in class menh this important how much how abatance how the abatance that the

above has been beaing, for the the same-theon-it-a-h or the-the-at-as, to make-cour-cour-court to make-messing the middle. This, with premise that

the-tang-hah, just-ru, that's-the-cuit-an-hame-cath, so, so, yeah, so, more beset-nambungan, or there, or there's a line, so that's more than-be-bac-bac-souan-

so-smach-a-. Yeah. So, the, Soapot-bawah, it's actually, some of the social assistance or perinduance or perinduance

like, it's being evaluation $335 trillion maybe may have been the power from the

depur, some of even in bade-3-K. But, the pat-and-sac-a- because the amount

of the people-missue- the person miskin that that's serviced by MBG more people's just the number of the same. Artini, not all the group

below. If it's now be made to be able to be social protection. That it's maybe must beindah to help other.

Someagian, there's who can't pay, money, for the group menhah is more effective. Or,

the labang work. Misalien, the class menhah, the, the partan work formally. So instead of 335 trillion,

because of $30% percent of the money. For the same thing that's the same thing for the top of the high-network individual, maybe even also has to have incentive or not incentive, but there is a kind of the fiscal if they're not to beaughal. If they're not want to be ablechalkan

and then there's been a man. Maka has been curses force. In factian, miscelling 2% from well-text, miscellar. But it's also also to make

them make them belanghacking the money via the government. So, so, so, the group, we must have to this treatment.

This, if we can't go the President Navas, narrations that the time this is that for making money gratis, more than 80 million

meals per day. Moolia very, because with a chartatine, it's bigizzy and it's a pat-sasarant

to them that need to. But, But it's just towaughan to work fiscal misalocation for the main

that's important people who are if we're looking in general I'm saying class menhangh this is maybe many who can't

get up to work work for an time forwancara and and secalani because maybe the land

worker just not many. Lapang work not many because maybe investations not not as much, or not as what we've been

I'm saying that investations if I'm in fact that I'm much more than what we're realisiccan, especially if we're than we're seeingpour that's real, which

has been able to get back on other than with a sumlae with a year, and then $200 to $230 million $2.30 million,

dollar, Singapore end up to 140 million dollars. I'm sure if Indonesia can't get to make $100 million a year. That's pabric, public, will be built

so. So, the land of the work can't be able many. But this is not a good thing. Because it's

un-agued-upon-wark- because, capacity translation. To translate from the cat-d-d-pastien to be risk, which,

the more, the longer- Maybe the longa that's the greek up and that's but the length of the menaceat this is a pleset yeah, right? If we're going to

make prioritization to make money for 80 million people this is alocation can't be but it's just not until it

to do you how this to be able to ofabat, that's so much this is a lot more robust

to the different. Yeah. Now, it's a question big, can, if you know,

when they're being being a young-usia mud, before people people are people,

because the difference that's there's far between the time he,

the school, vocation, the, that's, with the world, the And then,

and the investasiness from MBG this to the Pendidik to the more than more than many of the discussion about the security and

many other. Many who mumbawakowen to level that technical with the other but that but not that point

point is if the point is if if the money and the money investment that because

for gizzi-gratis that's But if you're but if they're free-thereka they're in intervention with nutrition, not a problem. But if everyone's actually,

they're getting money, this is a way of investment. This is a way of investment. The fact is the investment that's the most much to be

to make to draw on class menh and they can be empowered to but but but, From the problem is the problem is true. We're still there's a bigungan.

Begungingoon, in the sublob, and Indonesia has been competitive advantage in which, or comparative advantage is where? Because when it's true dauntara, that's many people are there too, And in the same is, to comearine,

BWM textile. Before we've got to put BWMN textile that's the same thing back. Bankrupt. Now, now, this, to endorong

the penciptain work, to get back, we're not the champion in there. Some of the sector textile paken-jaddi, somebagnan is,

some baghouser, and then, there's also there who's sector like gasification batu barra. The reason is the reason why, the reason is important importation LPG.

But how much with the impact be aganda to economy and the landergan can be there, so many of what? Now, this is that then made making

missing. Artiness is always being a place that's really but we're not put in industrial policy, we don't have the roadmap that

where to be brought to where, if there's investation that's I'm going to international they're not narrasy

or petsis infestation in Indonesia apaka that that's the bottom of the line the line

the last the past maybe a bit more long we're not we're not we're not

put put up production manufacturing like TSMC in Taiwan but we we can't bea in the

textil spatoo And then, mobile, maybe chip that's if you can't basic. That's not, but they're

but it's a need to what what what what isampoicant if this a, the next

a, the day of a, this is about the pastian can, pastian, and that,

they're not I'm not even and if they're looking at Asia Tengara CEO multinational that they're in the metric that's because that's

vocation right and the I'm like communication can be able to stem with lingual proficiency

Singapore, Vietnam number one and number two in Asia Tengara and two two two-and-a-data Dunauna. Indonesia

J. J. Bacchiauahua. even philippina malaysia thailand, far as far ashenom, landia there's not, vocation there. The two,

the pastien. And then, translation, he can be hitong, now. Andantara, if, in front of me, conceptually,

it's very much can translate ketidapstian to be risk. Ketapestian, unknown, unknown, risk, unknown, be given underwentary.

And if you're notar the law, with the same, the governance-in-jol-jolaping, that they're so much been transnational. Dibanding, I, you know, in particular,

or what, not-bis-a-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh. Now, if this is more di-res-in, I'm sure, in Indonesia, in Indonesia, Indonesia can't minimum $100 million a $100 million a lot of the year and $140 trillion, to have to diversification because

primary risk in there's more big. Now, this not, it's not, it's not because one, the unagued-hackan-hook, two, capacities translation, three, yeah, vocation, need,

Hasikapi. It's like guru. Yeah, guru if you're in gage 2.8 jute, a month. Yeah. Not. Mm. It's hard. But if, if we're not going to increase gaii guru,

testes investation, it's not absolutist. Mm. What's more than this is more than the day this is more than before. If you, if you're going to be executions, that's about 80 million money, this is maybe not put to oboebok, but we can't formalization the labang work, so far as people in Indonesia, not just a superojole, so content creator,

which is being a big of the laban of informal, I'm thinking out loud. How much, I'm not that you know. Contoing, miscellity, yeah. And, T'allelirisation, and as far as dhilarisation. Now, so far as hilirisashi this, if we're just saying. If we can pick one just,

is, is, menepotting hilirisasi this from the extraction sunburdayan, that we have to make, that's about focus product that we'll be champion. Battery, maybe yeah.

Because, if we talk about battery energy, storage, in a number of large. The government also is doing underong electric.

But, on the side of the other, the part of product hillyisasi nickel is for stainless steel,

for bachat It's not that's This ising here Why is going to beaming Hilirisati 10-year But if we can look Yeah,

some BUMN in sector Baja, or aluminum, that performance of the wangannessing where we're being in there there is

here that here is called hillirisation baru-so-so- -so-o-pirm So, so nickel, in ferro nickel pick iron, nickel, nickel, marble,

that's then, then, it's then, we'll make sure, B.YD, there's public to VINFAS, but when it checked, it's a assembly, dihilar, so we're hollow in the middle. So, in the middle. So, it's in the middle, it's still.

Now, this, that, consistency this islesiq, so, so that's intents, then the biggarten of thehabilisans to make-elangap

Hilirisasi, but also that's not-kall-penting is, to be hilarization, that there's not there can't be a perubbation for Indonesia

to make sure or, or material, what is what, what is the time, that's one of shock, because whether they want to buy product hilly-hilaris-asies or they're

aure material. This is a lot of quite how worried, some of the investment for precursor battery, for stainless steel, and other than other, actually, also ter distract with the trade deal between Indonesia and U.S.

I'm looking, this, this, this, this, this, point, point, I'm nother. I'm like I'm like postur Donald Trump maybe you have this is from

it's just but Trump ism ismian ismian will be consensum and after Trump

not there because maybe the stymangangangang that's that much in America America

America America but if we if we're to document Tahananan

National of their in the publicaum of the this is the last year this is the drin monroe yeah yeah from greenland up punta arena um

the city the city the same the city i'm not to look at it with penguasan

kadaulatan but more kadaulatan economy and if I kupas again this interpretation this is

this is this is more about security of supply how much how much how much more than Pasoq. Cususiness for mineral

and, especially like, perik, yeah. That's very conductor that conductivityatine the most

the end uptoeing for the AI GPU, D.P.U. Data center and allan-nail-an-you-estaner. Yeah, the truth-nation,

the curranan, mineral, Indonesia production in America, six units, six of the number of the the way, it's probably

we'll be gungue. But if from six units that we produce, five we're limpacan to America, arms length, with the price, one of we've got

to beaer than to another, semestinia that's justin'amined that's interpretation the serenraith. Now, that's

muddhawned can't be able to beaulmonary our posture geopolitic our to the world Indonesia is a lot of country that can beur-a-u-a-un to barat, garis-mering America,

and to Tjongok. Two kkequotan that's the most now. And we have been maddered that they're two junggir-balik to make

primacy and supremacy AI that's very much a mineral. Now, imagine, if we're so-pacat with premise that, hilarization or narration

in Indonesia, can't be kind of. Yeah, right? Yeah. We can't get back on technology from Tiangok which is far more

from the U.S., they're not zero to one like Barat, but they're one to the next digit's notat, with efficiency and effectiveness, and we can't actually make sure Kilbrat for model economy. Because they're notak doit and then. How that's going to be the basicer of people

to be able to execute narration hilarization in. Yeah, right. So, there's a putus, yeah, of hilarization with AI, so that AI this is narrating in Indonesia more Indonesia as a user

so even even more than data center the end up the IT service yeah that's really mineral mineral

critical bauxite too, perak, yeah because the perg yeah so the moon

yeah this because the amount that's the per capita yeah yeah, The twoa-dochid

to critical minerals Now, this if we can jahid that investation that's going to make the virus hilarisation with AI, hiliririsashi

with transcissi energy, this I think that's champion Indonesia. Testing case is, this is the out of AI. So,

when Parabow said 100 gigawot for panel suria in desa-desa, This I think I'm to get to give up the same thing because of the same thing because of the same amount

and nickels and battery to keep on. If it, panel suria's the sifatner is the off-grid in desasasasas perbatasat. Because it's like that as a baguagian as minimiser the detentungan in perbatasan

because we're still importation the listriced from Malaysia, that's nice that's kind of, in the perbatasance. Now, this hilarization, this must be able to be able to be able to transition energy, even lompatant AI, this, this resambut,

with investation that's that, this, I'm not, now, this, still, still scramble, still fragmented. Bede, for Malaysia. So Malaysia, I'mapeuticier, I think, he's looking at the Salat Taiwan that's

being bejolat. Intel, NVIDIA. Y, relocation, subagia, facilitation to Johor, to Malaysia. So, he knows where it must be rebut. Now, we're seeing, it's still, um,

have many so many times menu on the other meja, until koki that's over the food even though it's about the most that'sodorking to the people. I can't make sure.

I can't understand why Malaysia in Biddi Kolei Jansan Hwang and people other. Malaysia, in Asia, Dengara, that's the most of the result conversi, mahasiswana, to get them to take stem.

So, so, from allure, in Asia, there's 10, the U. the U.S. the same hashirted the same has used to STEM, science technology

engineering mathematics to Malaysia, in 43% Singapore only 6% in Indonesia, 22% 43% is same with Tyeongk. This, maybe we're kind of galaurkiddle

to where-mahn, but Tyeongk that's every time and 1st 1st2-India from 1st2-S-3 India 250-000 Indonesia 250-000 Asia-Tengara 75-5-000

America just if I'm saying if I'm Jensen I'm looking at manna who the most can't be able to beck and thentunner that if we're in Pensacistation in the penitm

and chip manufacturing from maybe 45 years the last, that's up to the day it's already it's been made people people who are people people who are people who are

in Pembourg in the United and after they're in Jokor also that's because they have the keyakinant that the product stem

in Malaysia that's the most in Asia Tengar now this now this this the

the time that we've that we're capacity translation Translarsely To be a lot of Because of the stagulatisman

Notar not, but if people are you That's what you're trying ambiguity It's, it's It's hard to translate from the notpastien To be able to bring up That's.

Now, Jaddinger, if you're Anguplas, we're making sure People, anyone, not Jensen

that'son that'sobbosk, we're going to be able to spend thaning this. Besok, we're going to be able to make up anything,

from the law from the from the day this. Besok, we can engage guru more better than this.

I'm I'm sure. narrative this ishawing this is I'm still makinglechle if you're making sure if you're talking about translation

the ability basic skill that's AI might be able maybe be able maybe to the next gen AI same as before yeah

in 2016 all in 2016 all about I'm being different up with different blockchain, crypto will be able to be able there's something

that's new but still back-end in the back-end in the back-in the creator of mathematics, the English or to make

it, and then science now this that's the that's not being the focus upatma soing this

this again I'm gonna I'm gonna How many people, that's one of the costaughaned is the way of training that's too much because of what

what you're doing that's doing, the campus, also, school vocation, it, not able to

translasically in some there's that there's in two-tour- -trak so-to-massue

intern-tank-tang- intern-in-a-tank-tank-in-a-tall- And that's un-as-a-a-cost. So, it's out of the not-pastion-hook, di-lure-lis, the world of ecological disaster, banjur-rob and other than other that's the way, and, like,

cost-mahal, logistic costs, we're-ting-tig-cost, we're-tig-tig-tall-harmes. But, this is a basic-us-nus-n-n-n-n-n-n-a-old-in-a-v-v-v-v-vok-a. Yeah. Yeah. even stemming the stemmed or cawashedan industry but in politbiro

in the architecture politicia, that's, we're going to beaugh. We're having wali-cota ternetra background isa-murdy-comerning. Not content creator.

Yeah, not content creator. They're not, resonantziness not, not there. with content creator. They're not.

They're like people in level of the world, province, buset, in BWM, where they're not sure people who are

not sure ambiguity. So, the U.S. Communist Party, 100 million. Imagine, 100 million,

that's the population Singapore. Yeah, yeah? 30 to 40 Jute, if not

that's the same, that's In Politburo, there's 7, 3 of 7 stem, including Xi Jinping gelarsing chemical engineer

from Qinghua, thesis is polymer who Qing Tao Hydraulic engineer Jiang Jemin, if you're not sure, hydraulic engineer also Hydraulic engineer too.

Now, this, yeah, this, I'm a lotter to Tyeongkok, but I'm looking And sohok, three phase. The first is called

revolution. In 1949, in the permukan, we're thinking they're making-nallack-Nashon, Sun Yatsin, Chang-Sek, come to Taiwan.

But, Maut Cetung, that, he has made upersikin' Derry from cancra, corruption, and allan.

That, the way spiritual for the people. the two, infusion. This is the end up in 2009. It's the inton to pass-tee building. He's giving $9.000 people are school where

just. Tiongok, Taiwan, in Japan, Taiwan, America, Canada, Australia, Europe, 9,000. Majority of blacked stem. Majority back. Industrialization in Tijuana, it's because of back

all right. But at all, they don't want to back. They're not going to back. But when they look at the Kampongalamination as much, they're back industrialization. Yeah, it's been. And they're going to produce... 4.

The same-stim And in the Tienk the system of the education that's going to school in Cungcing, in Cengtu, in Talyan,

in Wuhan, in Shanghai, in Peking, that's not many. We can't game system it.

So, the quality of different, tipis. Yeah. Yeah, quality of quality of

what is what other, public goods, goods, better, the tipis. So, we can't get to give public goods in the Tyeongk.

Yeah, in 2004, they've been daftar-k $1.8,000 patent. One-torn, to Asia Tengara, in 24-town,

$300,000. 24-town. Yeah, I don't want to talk Indonesia, how much. From here, we can intellectual power,

what, property that, that. Now, because of the partai. I'm not peduli. What's important, you know, you have to beaure

STEM. And it's terminifestation in allurepilar. Want to mowlilirisati, okay. Yeah. Want to say, I'm going to.

How about, yeah? Yeah. I have story of menark, too. Oh, no. So,

so can. So, so. So when when they're talking about Trumping they'll phone with President America

because of normalization the human before before mostung too too. And then one one of one F. Kennedy

said what what's China? request first is, can't every time, one, one,

one one, massisua China the best that's education, the campus campus EVILIC,

in campus, KVILIC, notang back. If you're just 100, if you're going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be back on the moot-ut-tut-ung. And then, then,

I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, this, yeah, yeah, I,

yeah, I'm not, it's not, it's, it's, them, program repellita, program

in 15 times 15x 75 times 5 years. And in that in 75 years, in 175 years, they're going to lampauy America so many. This documented. Towns 1953, tammap 5,000, that's in 2008. This is now that's the time of the time of it.

This is. This is already. But he's distracted with great leap. forward. Distracted with cultural revolution, 1966, since 1976, but dang shopping,

when he came alay, 278, he didn't look what he was about while he had been cutickeled in a

many many but he not that revolution political that's revolution spiritual

to make purses from curses cummank cumans nationalists, cuman kumman corrupts. So it's the revolution, infusioning,

consolidation, that's the Ginging. Three attributes, anti-corruption, the raman linguongan, penurban, the contempang. This, this, the kind of belial,

and the world of the other's it, this is important to do for they can make-globalization. Yes. But re-globalization with pluralism, not universalism. Now, maybe there,

butir-but-but-ir that we can betik from the time if we're in Indonesia, Pat, Gita, it's, it's the first phase

infusion, then, the phase to put-capabilitazes in process transformation, if in Tionk this,

we're going to move, the phasenolidation. So, so state capitalism Soakism, It's the same kind of the It's the samearer, because China communist,

but not that's what we're learning. But what we're playing is, want he democracy, want he, and then, state control, but there,

there's brain. Soingga, that's been consolidated that, it's because because that's the belief, that's the brain

when they're using condosidation did dorongedulant infusi and then the problem capability, capacity that's,

it's, it's, it's, the, I'm sure, I'm not, I'm consolidations

d'I to do to the agenda the development national, that, that I'm

missing. Spakat. So, Ibarat I'm in batas I'm more than badas intuition, yeah,

more than I'm mimpin kota is ahl fisica murni thaning content creator I have puttenangan

batin that if you're mimpin kota that is a hally or a he can'tic quantum he more,

he's more can in the Hongkok, it's probably in the way to make sure but I'm able to argumentation they're more than democratization public goods

termasuk, intramasue, social, intellect, chastraan, the malay social, even like, many democracy in the world

that's only there e-javantaked in context redistribusian or democratization or democratization public goods Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're like, what, quality of course

than in the Kota B. Mm-hmm. Not as to be able to say to be. Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Now, it's not wudud from democratization public goods. Yes. We're not going to come to a, quality medicine is far more good than in Kota B.

But if you're in Tyeongk, yeah? To room-sackechuk, de Shenzhen. to Rewan'sak, Beda, beda, this is the same. Yeah. This is that for the penitings,

okay, if we're going to injunung the state capitalism, yeah, selamacutability there,

okay, okay, okay, and accuntability that only can be if it's if you're to the positive yeah

yeah this is a certain yeah take sawh take sawha yeah setak sawha if

when during inspiration that's inspiration even inspirations from the grid forward

most tung and like revolution that's that gagal and that yeah and that

galgal total in China but but The Euro-era-the-bara, because of the because of the world about the problem

pop-pup and also the problem-bibitat, then, he only has been under the petan who capacity the people,

intellectual or stem, that, who made, bribit-bub-cugul. So, now we're still relevant in the

R-6-4. Now, now, there, there is a perubbation. This, they're not capabilities

they're going replacing replacing people and this and this and it's made the way of course there's land

then deforestation boughalhan baru but it's not profit not can't not be not can't

the the point of the tenan the power now now this I think this is

that that that's that made we're see the stat capitalism it's different. a bit more than two, it's about different

than the other. Eveningkan, dibingkan in Turkey, or Russia. Now, Russia, Russia, is also, Putin,

has concept that almost same. But they can use, when the time oil boom-ne, it's, it's translasically

to be a biggiant, that, dookers, support up, and support up the different from different the different from the

because of the defense product from Russia. Because what? Because they look back again is capability, capacity, and the ability

for sharing public goods that, that's what that's, that the program, this is actually be done. Now,

if what's that's in the context state state-capitalism that we're we're just so-law

so-law so-l-bong-bong- -re-a-bong-a-gare-an and, that's-pac-court to develop to-de-pand. Accountability

has must be-nata and accuntability not be used to be substitutes with authority.

Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Or private capitalism. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

What, they, hybrid or what? Ujum-Undabilitas. But, but that's difficult, subit, it's not-bottalit, that's not-bacan. Yeah. Yeah, right?

And I, and I'm, and I think, in a country like Russia or or Tyeongok, more than I'm pronounced, that's about in Hong Kong, democratization of public goods

and it's beencermin can how they're giving up to beaerousy. But creativity or creationia, it's, did dasersetka, because they're dididic. Now, I was just a bit You know-hurtrum a bit. That's about about about about about

about about about about the political. Maybe there's partai politic in Indonesia because it's making capacity building. Yeah, right?

Maybe there's good for party politic in Indonesia or in many democracy in the world, too,

more prioritizing to learn STEM. Yeah. Because they can be more can't make sure

ambiguitas. Because if people learn STEM is 0 or 1 just 0.0.1. But if you're learning the law

if you're trying, ambiguity, right? Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's not really for social science or humanity. That's, it's,

it's important to the department. Now, I'm going to observation you're on transisi energy. This is about the

energy. AI, or narration AI, that can't can't be if you're because of the energiness between 3,300

kilowatt hour per capita America, Tyeongkot, 10,000 in Asia, Tengara, that's only 2,000 which is Brunei and Singapore Indonesia only can't 4,000 to 5,000 megawatt to get 10,000 kilowatt-upor-hour

per capita, naike from 1,300, we have to build 1st3. Yeah, that's up to $2.3 trillion dollars. Yeah, if we're going to build 1-30% percent, with capacity to build only 5,000, we need 200-tawn. 5,000 megawatt per time, we have to build 1,000 megawatt or 1-tera,

that we need to be able to. Yeah, solosiness, the denominator, we're going to make in. We have to be able to do that's 5,000 megawatt per time. If you know, If you know, TANCovetka, we can't be Rangularasi AI

As a bigot Tijuana, Tijuana, yeah. He wants 4,000 gigawatt again. America

has been 1,300, he will build 2,600 gigawatt again. We're just born 91,000 megawatt 1,000 megawatt.

991 giga. how, Bima, this, this, this, this is important, very important, with charting, this is more than terbracuscan, not fossil. Yeah, because it's request from the people,

the company, automotive, current, both automotive Japan, China, or even if you're the area, industry, that can bepastiked the sumber

from energy terbaruckan's, there, because it's to sell EV that's not only percent butpourismapingia only

but also, but also, I'm going to use coal, yeah, batubara. Now, the interesting, there's a

story of Pakistan, so, Pakistan this is a country that has been spielover effect from

from the Hongok. So, the time the Hongok that's about 1.8 terawot

capacity ter-install- and infusy and infusy and innovation to bebosk to bea to beaughan-upes who's

to make-productioning panel suria, it's turnerner spielover-offer that's to make sure in Pakistan. So, waurung, room-ruma that's using panel suria that's capacity now

more than the upanket batubara that's been installed by the government. So, not get-kekeed, now,

the bank-bath-batt-nia that's-a-batt-a-n-a-a-s. Vietnam, too. Vietnam, this, one of the other one they've got to bealancing geopolitic with America but with China

soal transition energy it's also they're also made up spillover effect so because China be lomba to transition energy making moreh the price for panel

suria battery that's moreh if the country that doesn't make make sure it, then they can get importation

with the Vietnam is also hotel hotel, public-pabric-public, now. Look at panel suria with battery storage that's not a new that's not. Now, Indonesia,

want to make which we need, this, we have to puttukin, whether we're going to, like, spillover from the Tionk. So, so, so, Tionk,

investasis, smelter, investasas hilirisation, also for the panel hydrohidrohedral or the more than they're making more than they're, we're looking. Why not? Or the second,

you know, menugue investations from APBN, from Dantara, from PLN that can panjang. Now,

one other, the main that's the main, it's in, kind, Timur-Tengh. So, so,

and it's like concrete, less publications, but tibbae there solar PV, floating in some of wadook. That they're looking, yeah, all, de, we can't, and,

they're making investations for renewable energy or energy this, profit is really good so. So, in the world that multipolar,

this we can be able to be able to so much strategy. So, That's clear. Prospecta is corral.

If you're up there's regulation there, there's soal transmissy that's then the

monopoly by PLN, okay, but in out from the decakuan regulation that

that, that's we can have been partner that can help us. I'm

I'm going to yeah, I read, I'm going to be verifikation. Tionkok to develop

4,000 gigawawawat They've got to make up again. That's the same gigawatt. That's a lot using the energy solar. 1,000 gigawatt is 1 terawatt. That's what's the way to achieve

modernization. Menaikaing electrification from 1,300 kilowatt hour per capita to 10,000 kilowatt hour per capita. Bayangin, you can't work. Conant, in, in a year,

capacity capacity, solar panel, 1,000 gigawatt in a year. If we're just just to work in, we're not using but we're program

in, in 5 years, 10 okay, 100, every year, 100 giga just. But, this is this

this is important right. Now, I'm kind of kind of kind of pung with

paradigm or narracy that we know, energy the energy the energy too

better. We're overbuilt. This is demand pushed. Mastute supply side-you-you-a-liad-a-a-and-a-a-huh okay, maybe,

one, two-to-a-a-a-half-doucadda-counterine. But if someone wants investations, to build-pabric, he has put-cuh-dنا, yeah, right? Now, this gap-n-upes-nest-anergy will be a very-sapplic-ener-a-enter-abstaping. But it will be able to make-affir-in-a-lok-in-as-a-nicolok-in-a-lok-in-a-clok-old.

Right. Right. He's back back up. He's going to look. Oh, it's not two years the people who are being the back on. Yeah, this is

about oversupply. This problem is it, it's transmissive, so, so, investations that

that's but for transmissive and grid. Now, this is loophole as bestern. Forawali, in Morawali, in Halmahera, why they're actually made them make upholi district and because oversupplainly in Jawa, Jawa Bali,

to the lebehani, but cable from Jawa Bali to Sulawesi and to Maluku, or upon the Umpakit to the area of industry, this is actually a small who's minate to investations. And sojour electrification 1,300

that's because biased positive in Jawa. Yeah, in the out of Jawa, that's that's

that's that's that's that's that you now. Now, how,

yeah, to make solosic narracy sustainability for one transition energy

can be to be able to be able to be more about. And then the other narrative is circularity. Maybe the first first one, how,

to make obadi or to solusically transition energy so we can build more than 5,000 megawatt per time with data that

So, So we have So that's the track track that's when you know for the transmissive to build, then investment

that's heavy in Jawa Maka, soar-watt for solar panel or solar PV in the areas the area

the area that out, the area that rawan bancana back. So, one one one that's

one thing ecological disaster in Acheh in the Sumatra-Utara which is the most of the amount of-litreik, panel suria is one job of the most the same thing is installation panel suria. So, again, off-grid.

Yeah, actually, it's already off-grid. So, so, in front of meek-of-grade, in myroth-sairobi, in the area-daer. And then the two that's the two is the third-partnership we're still lateral so there's Indonesia

there's Middle East GCC countries mostly then there's there's Hongok Now this we're looking that's one of one track that has to push and intara it

can translate it or can facilitate it So, so the dannation maybe from Middle East but knowledge also the Hongk,

the other than you know the three that's the same thing now this is one of the new finance scheme then one other again one again it's the same the fact that he

still is extraction and using call that's been more expensive this actually already already from from money manager

then the banked, aliancy perbanking, to... if you're going to call power plant or Pemankit Batobara, we have financing this is for transition energy. Now, with three tracks

this, I think, it's important. But track this has to beambung with public support. Because transisi energy this is elite. Sementara, public support

that, we're talking at that time to the government dairah. Is it's about transition energy? There's 10 people that's about PAD. They're saying,

what's the way of PAD? What's the way of the market that? That's also be able to be job. So, I think if there public support and three track

that's been on on, we can bepercephabat and then investation that's that need to energy terbarukan can't

log-in. E. elitismanarasis transcissing energy this is the same with the reality that energy terbarukan, it's

15 cents to up per kilowatt and, the day of the people, it's still $5. So, that's enough.

Because it's affordable. Yeah, right? Yeah, I don't know when it's solar panel

that has to be pertimbanked battery yeah, and then, then, we're going to to be it back to the time, to make the batterying, that's justo-jotowns also just down to 5 cents. Now, this is that is to de-ilitization,

narration, narration, transcissing energy. But I see, the most gambang, is the solar panel. Yeah. Yeah, right. because

because of the last the time in the wayaithing the time. We're going to beaugh until intersection between day of buy and the biahua. Now, now, the day I buy this,

the biagia here per kilowatt. Yeah, just we'll take. But until then, maybe state capitalism can be perpern to give an assurances yeah, right,

and delta-inia-in-in-in-a-old. And this can be itung maybe in three-year-year-persexy. Two-tawn or three-taught-old-old-old-tapotivot. But, there's a per-activity. From the state capitalism, if it's going to be-pacent-na. Now, the two,

ter-caughting with circularity. This, we've got done to narrations about about about gambut, mieneret. And, after, after, this, I, too, to be mongroof.

So in asia there's about juteau hectare manned that's that's in Indonesia, 3,000.

And sequestration carbon by mangrove to, yeah, per hectare is, one ton or

one kilo ton, that's a ton, It'satucketheatres, 6 gigatron, that's about, yeah, it's not only, if we can't even if we can't be in Asia, Tengar, and it's sequestration is 10 gigaton,

which is 25% of emissions carbon by planet this, every year. So I'm aggahel, that I'm having hailed, This is a good political if you're bigotic if you're still

if you're still year, hectare mangrove for population 700 million only percent of population

we can be able to be abate 25% from the world every time that year

and there and there's there and there there's notcuit there carbon credit and

That's the same thing iscairn if you can't reshundred 10 gigatone sequestration with the Pekatatat 10 per tonne. That's 100 million dollars per year that can be monetization That can beamialli mbg

I'm going to laircg Gagi guru and otherin Howeem? Yeah, if we can look at it Now, beyond from carbon, if you're still, carbon market, but the top 30% in Brazil,

it's, the tropical forever forest facility. Now, this is the Indonesia not peruumbang, so Indonesia achieve just, receive, but maybe he's surrus with other people who are

in the tropical forever that for, okay, Indonesia chip in, if it's a million US dollar. But, but the thing they're we've got to it's the people that's

it's the same carbonate, but also, apakarovs is more large or mangrove's making small. So if mangrove it's making small, he can't sanction, penalty, but if he's more

more, now it's big. So we're hitung estimations 70-an-T for the ecosystem forest, then mangrove. So, that's quite

that's quite bigot. Now, that's the question before you know, if we're received from model tropical forever facility that, the community that

can use money to be economic restorative, not? This, this, restorative economy. So, restorative economy,

so, he can use using facilities that in the hutser, the hutser that still intact, mangrovement, even though, but he can't

gawla seafoothing. He can't be able to houseil of ecosystem, it's for economic value-added. Now, one of the gambuting, it's gambuting, it's begotnation, for peternation, I can gavus. The catawares it's actually pill. I'm going to because I'm from

because I'm from Bacassi, yeah. So, I'm going to beacobus from there, that's just like some kind of quahawon, this is what?

So, since COVID, meledak, ternia. So, so, to be abate luka, when pasca

malher can, it is, pill, the pig gavus, albumin. And I'm I'malama, if I'mabut when they're about gamut

when they'reubes like this. Contradiction, no. He said, two ecor ikan gabus that's setar

1,500 pill. So, wow. So efficient. Yeah. Duwit, too. Do it, all. Two ecor

can be 1,500. And it's the researchererner and also lab's stemmed, it's locally. Mashel. So,

there's there's in farmas, there's there's where in Marantau in Dachau, in Jawa, and then, but they're back back, then, but laboratorium for albumin. So, I think, so, really,

so, the ecosystem restorative is, it, it's, you know, yeah, yeah, back back. Yeah,

back again, capacity building. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not gambut, not mangrove, not red,

yeah, capacity building to beuncy, for them for themagrughey, if they're more than ecologiania, hydrogonoginess, in the area, especially, so it's puraithan,

and penanaman or restoration, it's more robust. Yeah, can? We've got, we've got to be able to look at, even in India, that process restoration and the controlan, and the mangrove, it's, it's,

it's been able to be robust from here in in Tjongok, I'maughbos. I'maqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq. It's very good. It's, it's got. Yeah, gambut too.

Terhir, maybe, on the kittampang. How, do you, in front of you, in Indonesia? Yeah, ketimpangan this one that's one that's that's a lot of

that's not quite that's not true high quality of growth so that's quality that's not got to get because study we

think that 50 people who are rich or high network individual that's the keycality

that's the amount and so that's other than that if if you if you're

Gini Ration, Meskicuarsio, more or less from the Sisi-Nus, but if you're looking from the ratio itself, we're in the era of the new.

Genie ratio-lahannia it's 0.6 0.7. So, also more extreme than the side the people people.

Now, this I, when I was, I'm put, we got, we got, I'm, yeah,

from Augustus to make sure, and before it was 2021. What's what amicu people being amok in economy? Okay, there's issue page of the next to.

I check the area so, so, like, in Jakarta, I've got to the Dakota, and Jakarta Timur. That's actually

jacksle, don't that's the impanguans king, that, not, Jakata Utara and Jakata Timur. That ratio ginniness, it's consistent

in atas rata rata rata. Sohue, It'shue of the issue Mo, there's issue of pajack, or issue of the issue of the air, banjir, and other than the

penjarahan mini-market supermarket that in the area Jakarta Uttara and Jakarta Timur that prevalenceinia more than

So, so. So, so, so, the issue, not-penting, so people, people can trigger it, because the issue is the issue is,

is the problem catimpangan. So that, so. So, so that's about time time in era of Jokovina yeah, this I see this is what, yeah, there's a lot of

in the stander DECA, in Monas, but then, around 10-malam, it's been jareda in one of one market that there in Jakarta Uttara.

Can disconnected, so. So, because did look at least now this isue this is there's a lot morey yeah so andycan economy we're tumourn't

inflation we're 2% but it's not inequality this will be trigger instability in politics and security

too. Now this what's the lookatres yeah that that's about about that's overban

then inequality this also It's notherst, Andeked he He's got to make Lomba and like, he'll be able to

people with the golden spoon Sojave. So, so, the level of playing field Yeah,

it's not, not, not, not, not, soingga, it's not made,

the endurcation, and it's, and it's, they're, what, yeah, uh, It's justas,

because, because of the same, capacity, BUMN also, susa-as-as-n-as-n yeah. Then, in-puncac-ne, now,

kind of political appointee, at the point-y, the point-in-a-a-dabatant. Now, that's what people, actually, the inequality, the,

I can't, I can't look the can't-o-o-a- people who, or if, if I'm not-pac-a-mob-mew-s, I can't look. Now,

inequality become very visible so very visible d'idliate. Why, he's using strobo, I'm taking trans-jacarta.

This, in-equality to reduce this, this is that need to be different, and transformation. It's,

it has been di-ajari from the pucok that's the way. How, B, mabatin,

step by step-by-mulled from the most the most simple, the most of the most complex-language to be able to beaith. One, leadership, leadership, but based on, not only moral, but also, based on the science-in, in all the biggrapheran.

Contonial, I, I said to do with Pat Gita, I was still-in-in-president, Yeah, yeah, it's the realitocratry that's the people okay, I'm not put in,

but I have put in front because, look, there's people in the second that's the same thing, and it's not punitive but he competent in the bidangy, he's then

he's still by president. The second, that must have fiscal transformation. This is one that's one of from

incentives, incentive that not pass. So many people are you've got to people of the money for example. But they've been charted as loss, rugy in the law firmamenting. There

also, I've got this also, from fabrican automotive, mobile carroseriniaga. He said, try check in some of the areas of industry that's related hili-isasi. It's even, they're going to import

truck, without there pajack, endarant, bermotor, and without plat number. This is up and it's about the metriamontryan to the Ullangue, this is about total loss,

the project, like it. Sementara, they're who are who can't make the same not get incentives

as much, the example of the loopholes that. So, there must have fiscal transformation that's really

low-hanging fruit. If you want to be, not per-un-un- -undang, the, a bigotality. Thenxasar.

from the same to access, but also access, if access, data the last time, the can't people people who are making sure. Access. But high quality of education.

Then, housing, Pat. Gita. This is one of the issue of the important. crucial, maybe we're not as a good. That's the homeless in where-mone. But this is one of the chiri-ciri that's a lot of worry. In some of the areas, he's already,

but even not ma'amble to DP-KPR or sewa in apartment or cos-cosan, even, back, many people who's up, and the way of the way. Now, housing, then, public goods that must be sharing.

So, we don't have imagination, even, that air that we know, somehow, with Indonesia,

national, tropical, I should, we're, we're, we're, that's like in UK, that.

So, so, so, people, Singapore. Yeah, Singapore. Yeah, Singapore.

Yeah, and daural-ulang-ulang-pulang-pulang-pulang- from tinge, from the tina, from the air from the same, from the same. So far, yeah. So far, okay. This is one data that's a little bit more than, if we're from SABETH to,

88%, the head of the UNAWTNs has 1. And I, that, to, even be bursa, I'm saying, maybe one-sathinger can't be able to game-eim-eastern, change, of the ishap, is a lot of the world, he's got to be able to

good good quality. Because if he back to the room yeah, yeah, so little, if in Bungusan 88%

to be to be able, yeah, men, olympia. There are anomali, but, in a common,

it's allot one-as-and- to be success, make sure of public goods is the same under the last yearnowsy, and he can't beauntic imagination, ambysy, and co-hockeying

by a person guru who's brilliant. But if gurus not as quality like we can't, this is

this, this is I want to tell I, want to ruinin inequality. I'm like, Like, to distribution public, to be mangrove,

want to beamed gambut, like to make makele-lacusation. But this, if you're just in gagee, 2.8 million. Yes. But there's a double-standard in here,

Pa, Pa. So, this, Manant-Quangan-pac-pac-pac-you-you-in-pac-you-a-counter. Why, there's ratio-pajac-a-cac-cure-c. Why, I think, quote-necourt-ne, if you give a peanut, you get-munkies. It's, it's-d-a-pac-remonrassi-na-in-a-smac-smoyed-smah.

But, why, standard-sam-a-cust-cucation-cita. It's, so. So, many people can't get-l-lite-a-oh, that's about the basic investasio, the basic payag big, basic pedicatiness. The person is more good, income more than paybacked there. That's resoransinesses, minimum to me,

I'm going to be madame to be a lot, so I'm going to beaer lilyin, I'm here we're hoping we're trying to recruit guru from teca to the university that's, and give upholatisites, and be given-taping, without that's circular. Yeah, right?

Many of the problem that can't be able to dolesiakhan. Quechally if you're a majority of the Kepalurmaata has beenpennedicant. Lain soa. At the end of this, Bima, that's positive that can be it's about. I'm saying,

I'm going to be a podcast, the model podcasting end games. Baca Bucca, I'ma, I'ma-sha-o-sha-o-a-taught-taughtsha-o. Maasheu. So, there's optimism. So, if not optimist, if not optimist, to the conditions economy that there's

current, upgrading capabilities, personal, and also, community, to us with us to see that, that's actually we can shape

the world of Indonesia according to our dream, our plan I'm looking at that. That's fantastic. I've never to be caged 150-tallon at the most of the most, at the most of the end uprocy 10-tunned,

under generation pernus, 200 books a year. Remain, stay as an inspiration. Thank you, we're gonna. Thank you, Bima. Sama.

That's the time. That's about Bima Yudishtira from Celios. Thank you.