Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Etika Politik, Tata Negara, Filsafat Ekonomi ala Tom Lembong

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

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or extremist right-and or extremist right-wing, left-wing, that's the end-n- the abysan

because for the shirman-mensin to use, but rationality a person munchel

to comealy who who's with this gaggle deliver not not be to make

make sure can resheteran and and the most important trusted that's

like now we're people who can't have been a shirk and and more

selective yeah and the content that you're which which content that

not you know I'm Hello, time, today I'm coming with my time

with my time Tom Lemong. Tom, thank you. We're going to thank you. I'm going to get into the

time when you little little little. You're too very and you're how you can get a

great, and you're probably be correlates with with ajaran or lingugn that there

and the right right, right, so that's okay. So, it's

my Papa my is intellectual very, yeah, very very

intellectual. Uh, can be about arrogant. Yeah, he really,

he's it. Yeah, he, doctor, um, until take,

three specializations, so, so, intonis, T, jantung, plus

S-3 in radiology, from faculty to doctorate U.I yeah

and then with one or another alasan when I took to pindsaying

the whole of the whole of the government because because when I'm when I'm

when I'm going to get back from the school in Belanda yeah

will be to the school to German term too President Habibia, he's

far more to German than to the Belanda, can. Padahal because the era colonial, we're many many

school in many years, but in the year, had been reser to German, and two from

three specialization Papa I said, plus S-3 that's in German. So,

the year, I'm 10 time, I, in German. T.K. S.D. School

German. So, in the Biccaran Baccar, even back to Indonesia,

to the S.T. 4, and until S.MP 3, I was not able to

Bowsia in Asia, so. So, after than high class, to, when the

SD 4, yeah, in Regina Pachis, and in Palmerah in Jakarta. But from

the first, the world, um, the world too, intellect low really, because,

I'm, because I'm, Sorry, Ibu. Now, Ibu, Rumatangah, I met my myah,

mya, mya, my father I'm at faculty of doctoran, I'm my

faculty, Sastra, yeah, he, he, concert pianist, and Dr.

Dr.C. M. It's, it's, it's really, young, intellectual. And,

this, maybe, the way of it. If I, if you're really quick speed reader. So I can learn book in a

day two days. If you're obsessedy, that yeah. I think you also menouron to

to the child she yeah, yeah, speed reader really, yeah, that's genetic,

yeah, but it's, but, the gungan the family from

young young, you, you, and you, so, And then,

you, too, you, you know, did remember at Harvard for S-1. Right. That's not

Gampang, you, Tom. Yeah. Yeah. Massoud to the end-190. Right. Toulos,

in 2009, um, that's, you know, and the upaya you do. Now,

now, it's, it's, but I'm about, in the time, yeah,

it's, yeah, it's, that's a lot more than you. Yeah, first, there hacky. Okay. There's a hacky.

This is conteked to by the friends, how? So, so, my, six-town on my time

and he's who's the from from Kaniasius to a school in Brunswick,

Maine, Bowden College, small liberal art school, as you know. And then some class he, co, endang very, yeah, the class, yeah, collier. Then,

I'm sorry, why, for you guys, all right, and all right, kind of, like, entang really. Oh, yeah, we,

SMA-na-na, to, the school, the school, and, maybe the New England Prep Schools, yeah,

and school, school, school, that's been able to be done from 1,700-1, 1800s, school-a-scolac, which is important, yeah.

The most of the only, philips andover, Phillips, Exeter, St. Pauls, and, and, almost be able to be said, yeah, it's school

that almost like feeder school, yeah. So, people, if you need really, to move to Harvard,

Princeton, Yale, Stanford, yeah, heck-ne-d-d-d-l-l-clic. is it's to go to school

to school like that. And it's program program school curriculum and it's

even if extracurriculat yeah, even to be optimal can to be to be able to school

to so that so I'm going to go to school named the

Derefield Academy and far more more than to go to get to

school like Harvard from New England Prep School like that

from Missus or from the college of the Oh, that's SMA.

So I was... Class... I'm going to... ...unung up in SMPI-3. Because program in Deerfield and many... Prefascot, that's four-tawn year. Freshment year, sophomore year,

junior year, senior year. So, I'm... So, I'm going to do, just, I'm going to... SMP-3, so I'm... Class 9-s-12. That's school. ...the-school...

All-boys. ...pessan-trenna... ...lucky... ...lucky... ... Chowos, I'm going to get into.

Nucu. When I was in the time of the time of the time of the trustee and the people to make up

to receive the preempoan. So, the time first, J.V. Economy in in the

history of the story of the school of hermplean yeah. It's fully

co-ed. And yeah, but it has been a pran very in

the um the construction I'm working people who time

that's very much yeah and how I'm make sure to Harvard yeah

that that's tricking yeah you did do you did

take in Yale and then there one two school like like

Oberlin and oh great for music liberal arts um

But I'm not not it's not it's school that small liberal arts college like Amherst Williams Yeah

yeah Yeah so not know maybe they're maybe yeah type of I have

in a university that's in the middle of a middle arts college

college college or what university in the university

in bedasan you wow you know you have

right pre-determined or when you you're going to like I'm like I'm so much I'm going to

so that's right because in SMP I'm sure really good camera okay

and I'm very I'm gonna I'm gonna think I'm gonna like I'm gonna

comic book about want superman Batman Batman Green Lantern DC DC comics or

Marvel everything like Marvel DC Bac K Backe Mouse and Donald Duck

comic And this any sci-fi yeah and I'm like gambar and I guess I think

I'm making I'm making sure I'm gonna from the first of the point of the but as we know

in the journey back to Wall Street to sector to the world street, to sector co-wangen, but,

diagram is still be used to make diagram to power point to the power point

and diagram structure towangering and subduing yeah structuring yeah you're

called to Wall Street because compensation or because you you want to yeah

so so so so some yeah I think from

from the time I'm I'm I'm I'm running

on the Wall Street Journal when We're still in Deerfield, who's still in SMA, maybe SMA 2, SMA 3,

there's been like as to Rocky, so, like, Rocky, that's, you know,

about been able to watch, International Herald Tribune. Oh, man. I, I'm back

to, Gondon, with God, and Gondala. And, uh, yeah, this,

maybe, the, and tangy-touan- T-G-N-D-Field school that, that, had been,

Purt-Sak-an- -old-old. Yeah. And then we're going to we're always learning at library, yeah, in the

prosaqan school, and once once again isa-lap, there's one ruck, that's all about

about the history, Wall Street. Yeah, from the history Spencer Morgan and the

son, Pierre Porn Morgan, yeah, and the other, J.P. Morgan Jr.,

who made Morgan Stanley, and so many and so the, a family Warburg

that used S.G. Warburg and I was just fascinated I was just smitten.

I was like so amazed yeah. So, yeah, we can know, in the

time 1800-a- yeah, apolagely after end up 1880, 1990, still still

had bank central. They've still still have banked, but there's

there there no, but there other authority that's not that's being in terms of

crisis. Yeah, who's the time that was being taken to be a manned, that's

he who was a he who can't mottal or he can't bring to meredam panic in

in the pastar model, that but with with the development of the bankan tendnion in

the years 10th and 1990-han, I'll remember precisely the year, Congress 1914. 1911, yeah,

the Federal Reserve Act. They're making a one of a bank central that proper, yeah, and mannoling al-a-luxing as a function as

a penelamate in a crisis, but I too, tertary very, yeah, with the role J.P.

Morgan before there, bank central, and he, how they're how they're being to be a

personal model, that's, I'm going to talk to talk about if they're going to

make sure they have three attributes. The first is ambition. The first, the two, imaginations.

The third, hockey. Bangat, really. This, this is one second, frequency

very, yeah, get, but I'm going to talk ambisies about imagination

with, so much, Now, as far as peran people, to turn to make upy and imagination? Great.

Very much. Good, yeah. If imagination, I don't know, yeah. But if you're obviously, yeah. So,

my dad's from the old, it's ambitious really, for my and I'm sorry, and I'm so much,

yeah, in a certainat, a kaka, I'm sorry, I'm gonna be at Harvard Business School, MBA program,

and I'm and I'm the Harvard Radcliffe College, yeah, Harvard University undergrad, that's

it's already like a surga for myel yeah and he can't banggain can like what

yeah but I'm like I'm like I'm again so, so, so,

so, so, really, even from from the he's the kind of people,

without menging the love and respect to and I'm

that's not the thing my my asses my but we we're

about it, because I also I also I'm quite that, I also also spent very arrogant that's somong, very sootau

you might remember some of that from our younger days yeah, right, so if I'm going to talk about again, but

now I'm going to know that the part that's part from us that's more more than what's more

the name the name the life it's lack of But we've got to be able to But we're The ultra-capitalist

market makes us sell our soul, we're leaving our soul, we're just being abasuring unabiding, and we're just using, but we're taking but ambiissue is important,

I've been I've been about in Asia, the ambition that has been connotation negative, but in the language, it's something that's

something positive, yeah. So, it's really important, ambition, ambition, ambit maybe we can't

make a connotation from the word ambition in English, being a bit more, it's being something, and important,

and it's important, and it's a two, imagination. Sering really, Gitt, I've said, one of the

one of the government, the government not only in we're not only in many countries, so much in the people,

it's more than imaginations. Pemboat our own not have been not had been imagination, imagination,

yeah, the promosan or concept, that's again, that, that, that, that,

and, and, and, and, apac, in business, yeah, or in

the, perumusan with the policy of politication, yeah, it must be imaginational in different

dimensions, in different in a way, in a matter of interesting, and then, and then, in the way

of communication, yeah, has had imagination that's important very much, yeah. Ibuble do do, to nuntic

imagination and ambition? Or, more, to hockyan? Now, menaric. I think, I think,

the role of my is my is to in the maybe if I'm not because

my mom yeah, I'm not not going to have been not quite focus, obsesies

with the brain IQ, academics, yeah, IPK, GPA, the

point of schools school of people who we're known as credentialism who can

beger diploma or certification that's without making sure of making sure of sound of hearty, and that's the

person in my my own, my wife, and you've got now, what you've got what you

do, what you do with what your own your own to do you, first, Cisker and I,

I'm, Tiger Mom, Tiger Dad, we're very, not ambitious with the car my dad, yeah. So, yeah, so, no, there's a decananan or a rawhal that Talia and Max

have to Harvard, or other school, school, bergingshi, yeah. From, some of some, some of some,

some of some, some, that maybe, maybe, preceptsic can be gingsy, yeah, Talia, We're not really a school public in London,

the name's London Metropolitan University, which ratio penerimae the students, maybe, 80%. Wow. So, she's so happy. Yeah, she's so happy. She's very, very happy, so much. Yeah.

He, uh, the, uh, uh, the, uh, performing arts,

theater. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's, in performing arts, in theater, yeah. Yeah. More in the pangong or at the

back on the back? In the back on the more than the production stagecraft and technique, production technique that's Max just, just, I'm going to be at Uzi San Diego. And he

want to take the bidang per-economian and mathematics including

bo-up but I'm there'sue like yeah there's there's there's there

and it's not both-douan two-douan bide with me with me as with uska

we're making there's there's we can look at what this kind of kind of

yeah Talia speed leader, can nelun book he can be able uh, bach with very quick from me from

but they're very much their own persons and I think it's okay it's working out well So you're more more chill,

yeah? Sangat, yeah, very, yeah, long, to, for,

for the for skill, but to. It's true, butto, yeah, yeah, I'm

not sure, I like, I'm not sure, I'm not intense, as if I'm more than nine months in

peniara, now they're more mellow, more soft, yeah, but, yeah, we know

I, remember how sharp and hard edged. Yeah. I was... No, no compromise.

So, yeah, now, I'm gonna be more more, more more, more, more soft.

If I see Sika from Dulele, more, what, more, what, uh, more,

okay, don't make heuchimy, yeah, okay, try to look from two sides,

yeah, um, that we're saying, chill, so, it's good. And then,

did you spiritually anchored? Oh, very, yeah, yeah, so, yeah,

very, very, very iman, uh, and, uh, and, uh,

and, yeah, yeah, yeah, who's who's going to be taught me and always

jagin I'm because I'm trying to be I'm always like malas to the greeja but

that's too after 10-month in the people who many people and I'm much

more more in touch with my social and my religion with my

my and the I'm I'm I'm some last not

know about it factor usia, but even even when the campaign the press there's really

sometimes kind of kind of it's like kind of it's really that's really difficult to

it's very to explain with with the other well this this this hand

this man there there there there spiritualist in

the townhall there there some one of there More important for we

Soleh social than solace ritual. Yeah, right? Yeah, maybe you not as a sering that you want to go to but if you're

very empathic that's the same. That's just the thing that's just right that's the person from the rabbi. Yes, I agree. I'm sure.

I'm soju-y-bent. Yeah, extreme kind of monafix if we're too ritualistic but in the

reality we're not really really really, I'm really, yeah, and it's people,

and it's from things things of every day, how we're how we're making we're making we

do the restaurant, how we're staff of our family our ownah our own to, if we're

our staff our staff our stuff we're or to shop up or sat-pam yeah, that we're

papasan um, not as just a and not not as far too, yeah,

not paul, things too, yeah, but too, amat I'm not sure that's our character

that's been yeah, and, yeah, tentn'ts massacacacac luas. Now,

I'm just I'm want to bring us this this, this, This is the thing we can

the thing we can get the empathy or soleh social. How do you so that

Indonesia can be great. This, this can be galley from some

yeah. But, which I want to try to this is how we can be

about, we can be buddayakan. Yeah, to, so a humed ambus ambitination

and coquietan and co-hockees quite in generation but still the young young men

now, I think you're doing it right now, I think you and podcast taser-besar the similar other than

podcast large other side of frequency, focus to substance, material, yeah, not only to the gimmick,

gibbering, hiberan perlue, yeah, as a attraction and bumble, but,

podcaster, influencer, who, the core, the intinia, is substance material, and, yeah,

yeah, all dimension, like, illum, know, but also philosophy, yeah,

principles, principles, principles, I think the value normal, normal. I think we're and

influencers podcast like that is still now this is more about our culture our

this impact really really very yeah it's much

but to get a time but because media social now

now with very fast, um, influencer podcast can't get to be jutsuant

audience with very much, and very very much. And I see the market go ahead. And I'm

talking about with Talia and Max also this we know. We can't when they still, yeah,

who'sia five, six, six, seven years, yeah, yeah, the,

yeah, yeah, yeah, and, you can, yeah, and, the,

gububububok, yeah, and, the placetet What's funny, but maybe with the more

the more than the generation of the generation after the they're trying is the answer questions, and then they're

major, when they're major, when they started dewasa, then more more more than more than

more than more than I'm, and I'm see through podcaster, insulser like we're

like other that, which is true, make sure, I'm giving an job of questions that's

serious, yeah, which is full of matter and penu substance that's more

lacku in the past, and the pure entertainment yeah, which only the whole

funhibur just, yeah, which the small portion substatinia that is

rather surout, yeah, maybe. So, so, two, the,

The second, the community civil, yeah. Yeah. Massaric civil, is it very much as well as far as well. Maybe Isla Ormast, because of the connotation negative, yeah, but group group of relawanan, the term of the local, that's the way, that, who are you, who are not doing the resigning public, Yeah, and don't don't buy

Samarangan, or to get people to clean purses in sampa, get in somepac,

out of the group group who group who endorong the people and I'm

and I'm notu in Poshandu so, so much people, yeah, which I

think will be part of to thembudayak the like that we did we've a bit of a

culture for a culture for for a community of people especially yeah

that's generation penurs yeah I'm I always know if you

you you're from from Mrock 808% from from

the capital from towngat that got got put there

univis university gila so you don't you don't complain if

If quality people, not too okay. Because the column small bit of because I'm always making a person

one of the if you're in room, he's one from two or three children. And if if the people

people are pediguan, thank you, al-hmdulil. But if they're not been a one-sathing

is that when he he's going to go-the-school he can be hadaped with a-gur- who-and-and-

two-and-ratus-mur-mur-murid. So I think if we're if we're if we're going to scale up whatever we're in front to make sure

we're going to make up this is the investasikin gurus but I'm looking at the things

long-lank-lang-goycquit to to make-cate quality of other if other if again to keep-y-bant

to keep making gage them 2.8 $2.8 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1. sticky to give honorer

in S.D. 500,000 a month in the area Sulawesi Tengara or anywhere. Yeah,

until and unless this is it's difficult. It's hard. To get to change

budaia. I'm sure very, soje very. Mugin we can we're maybe we're

sometimes in even in the for me, I'm going to see a like in

Regina Pachis Palmerra Jakarta, yeah. School that was a good at least.

Or, now, yeah, is good, but now, but now, there's,

but now, there's also, yeah, and in SMA, what other yeah,

in Deerfield, guru who's really, really, menospiration and even,

he's to be good, to be education, so that, and that that's

the years that's the SMP, SMA Mala even

we're more than we're going galley but before school before school

after SMP SMA or guru the praning that so

so much 10000 100% so on why why why why

we can we can can't we can by good, yeah,

Gagi Gourou, compensation, guru, status social, guru. First,

it's, it's, really commitment politic, yeah, commitment politic.

Before this, it's not ever he's got been important, and I, and

I, can be the we're making why 10 years 12th

year, we have been orientations to build economy and with a strategy that

focus to sectors sector that on the sector that infrastructure, the land-to,

bandar plaboh and then industry because in 2012 2014

2014 which is the most of the world was the world of the world. It's the world of the world. People are people thinking, wow, model per-economian la America is kind of wardsa, obsolete, not optimal for the world.

And that's all right now. And that's, all the people are agam with Hong Kongk, who's on the tolls, large, that the garringan carer-cepting out of the world-bishop

that's the industry is great-embang, world-boh. So, everyone people, people, want to photocopy,

yeah. Theatiginia, Tionk. But, but, now, Tionk began,

with a strategy economy to be the same, yeah, they've been mentok, yeah,

industry, was meant, even, sankin over-productive, Yeah, right? Overcapacity, overproductive, overproductive, Mabundjury the world with product,

the price, product, jato, and the tradeangman global making timpangue, and also infrastructure in China,

that's many so many people remorosan, jalan toll that's cosong, bandarer, that's on, more than,

the electricity, maybe, that's completely as well-packe or, yeah, the point-naut project of model that's a

misallocation sumber-dai, yeah. Now, the agarance penitakan as far as undang-unakhan

20% of the APBN, but not the factan from the money so-grey-it-it-

that, we're, we're, in-kissaran $4,000 $1,000. per time 20%

it's 80 million 8 trillion Rupon Rupiot Rupiot per time now this

we have to be other than the amount but I know I'm many can

portion that not to Gaj Guru honor Gourer or compensation or investation or

investation in the capital capital of the capital of making Gourou

better really really Jago yeah and So, and even even and even

even, the portion that's renovation, the building school, the part of school,

I know I, not so, I'm as a example, yeah, again again,

again, again, I'm still, again, but as as a example, yeah, I've got

info, portion of a portion of that, to, school, school, vocation,

that which been made by the government and the

and under the to be to be pilot to be able to pilot busaw-terbant.

Then school school technique other yeah that so betuln

can be done with other other yeah use so, if,

The only, certifications, vocation, like that, I think I'm the most I think it's ideal to dundraining with credit, with pinjaman penitism, because the world is the kind of people are less pilot-presavit, so, the labang-caria, amper-fas-di-fas-jamin,

and gaiji pilot, naik is uptake-train. Off-takes-geless. Off-takes-geless, precisely. So, so, so, the student that's

will lose, yeah, going to lose, uh, oughtn't it's very, yeah. Abelitability

is a big, if the off-tick is. Precis. So, he, with much,

can be lunacy uh, hutang, that, yeah, uh, so, so,

yeah, more, the, APBN, that sector is, yeah, to

gaiji guru compensation guru termosting honorer or even to carana sarana

that make permutah the course but but back again first,

need and need and know and it's it's it's

not more more more than more more than more than other other than

other other overcapacity, yeah oversupply oversply especially regional but

So, it's really, agonarolocation, you're so right, get. Yeah. So, very, yeah.

Cunuchinia, the guru, in the world. In-gourn, there, no, there's not a bank without any

investations in infrastructural lunac. Little software. Yeah. And I'm glit, okay, like, this is not

moment to defend the Hongk, but if even they're to build infrastructure non-lunac, that's not love investations

in infrastructure non-lunak. Right, right. Right, right. That's really. Right. Well, this,

I'm, I'm very if we're, if we're not make up or posture to be good with guru,

yeah, maybe incriminalism to the depots. Yeah. Yeah. And we can not be able to

lompat. And this is a For the country that's so much like this And if we're to cupas again,

it's maybe 70% from the anguaran this is decentralization to more than 500-titk which where

the people people are, maybe a bit more a bit more for the for the allocations

for lunac and non-lunak. And also I just I just just saider that criteria

to recruit guru, it's not did not detentucked by the government by the men other. So,

this, this, contabilitess how this, it's not between the area and the center,

and the one, and the people, and I, we, and I, still,

we're, and I'm, the, the, the, deteralization, but it doesn't

mean, that it's, there are there can't there clear from the from the sub-as

some people people people people know to say that that's

that from many years there's practice, can be there there there

don't have KPI, there benchmark, there's standard, yeah, there

there perumusant expectations yeah, as Bupati expectations we,

A, B and C, or this is this is a example, this is a example, this is a bupati

that's success, yeah, the structure anguararation like that like this, you know,

and then and then, and then, the structure the tax fiscalal and kind of like this,

like and and bang and bangunay like this yeah, so, so,

so, so, so, there, uh, uh, educative, yeah,

the, the impininininin of, I don't know, there can, there's, not there academy, there's

not a class of how much how much how much whether or by the state or

even in capital or even there not a class about people who

people on a amount of the APBD that optimal that

kind of what are what factor what are what you have what are

being under the structure APBD that is minimal so minimal so it's

so it's really, now, this back again the main thing the podcast influencer, yeah, because I'mat

I'm at the way to to be able to be able to people, the city, wali-kota wali-kota-muda

or to be-le-lapas up-usia, the Bimperin-dairah that idealist, reformist, penin-in-kerja

and penen-a-ap-di through the way media social like podcasts and content content that's that's access normally online, yeah? I...

I see percaya with process and the sake of we're to continue to make up democratization and it's reliant in decentralization. But,

the thing paradoxal is if I try bandinging in the Tionk with, Iqabla Indonesia or many democracy, or many democracies in the world.

Tianskukuk, to in fact, political, centralistis. But, the economy is very decentralized. And, many democracy in

the world, in political, decentralized, but also, but also. This is it is gany-coefficient ratio. Beto, bettelism,

which is centrapetalism which, which is much, more, more, more, more, more,

better, better, better. But, pertubon economy in the part of the country,

the area. This is It's not really, but uh-huhinging has accountability between the area, in context of the context in the context of the contoursing.

Maybe a lot of good, yeah, we're talking about us, yeah, we're doing where, when I'm not because I'm still school at the same,

one just before, I'm in there, yeah. And, and, we've got to-a-laping, that's the time peneliti,

that why, why, the country economy English, lemot, yeah, It's very Yeah,

and other because that's the impangang between London and English the region

in the part of London, with almost all the other than the country English, yeah.

So, and academia of the litigant years, 10th of many, mongue

about the government English in London, more desensualization, more than making boonan and

agarant to wali-cota to the city and the area, and more more than a bottom-up, yeah,

for the Piminan dairah, to make-suskans the power of the power, yeah, not everyone try to be

kind of from London. And that it's, and it's not because not never did

do not by all the all all-pol They're still London centrist Yeah

Sementara in in Hongk really very much Densualization Yeah, because because it's a lot of

bigot with a 1.4 million, people, not can't be kind of from Beijing and

all of people who who made president or president or the president or the country in

Tionk that had clailing, has from the city, in the in the of the

seconder, yeah, can, it's already Bupati or governor, yeah, can,

Xi Jinping also, I remember, in Lallyan, and, and, Dallian, Fuchian,

yeah. So, yeah, so, began from career, the impinan Piminan Permanentah,

or the people, that, yeah, cleling, and they have to be a lot,

a sub-o-Povinsy, and and they have wonang, have wonang, have wonang, have an agarant, to be able to be able to make sure what,

yeah, who's kind of, that's the right, that's, that, yeah. Now, also, it's a mispersepsi,

that theogu that's so authoritar, yeah. Um, and, only one party that can be able to

not a pymilu, yeah, but, it's clear that the people are the people are

to beck to have opinion public absolutely really really peckas

and even there even there even that's very scared with

very so much so so many times the yeah

like the at after at the end the pandemic

global COVID Beijing was agagued belebehan gout lockdown

yeah and the vaccine should have and the country other

other end up but he must be notot demo in different government

Beijing muntur he he's he borgant or for bavat or

for repressive to repressive to repressive to the people that

or public that but it's to mean with the people and he who's more

that's and in in the party tungal partai communist there

system merit that competitive so so so so

people, you know, I'm, you know, and, and, you're, there's beenllowing a suorceringan that wayabiasa. Yeah. Yeah, it's also, also, uh, dynasty politic

or, uh, factor, uh, lobby or do but far more than many people,

yeah, there's much the country, yeah, that we're that we're that we're also,

you're, maybe more kentel like, uh, aspect dynasty, and aspect

the, the, the other, the other, the, yeah, Politic, yeah? There's a lot of paradox

about Tyeongk. Yeah, Hongok, it's, he, bullet, not maw, substituting accountability, or accountability or accountability

and Tionk that, percerayan on posture of public, it's, tipis,

depending many democracy that's opinion public, it's very from the people.

Right, and this this, this this is about the discursus, can,

succour, and I'm look at, you know, wali-cota and gubernur, if it's, if it

should be picked by standing committee. Right, right, yeah. But you also

do curation, right. IQ you, what, so, credential you, so, that,

that, that process penaringingingan that's all right-bri-ca. So, before people to be wali-cota, so I've been able to be able to be retinuechow-can, it's already it's been part-wagon-jew-cast-bant-bant.

This, it's a system that's better, but what I'm not-gaping, this I've been-gobrol about an economist, name's Keijin, who, expose, and makes-lose that the successan-economy is how much desentralization

activity economy, that's depoporri-o-o-o-lop-o-o-a-cota. So, that's the mayor economy. Right. So, this, economy or per-economian that's get-torong

by wali-cota-wali-cota. So if you, you're wali-cota-chung-Ching, you want to book a pabric dymler, you to get-dil with them, right,

right, right, right. If you, if you're, if you're, you're in-send-a-v-l-bub-l-bub-b you have to-mongue-Mentry-A,

Mentry-C, MENTRI, yeah, that, that, paradox that's or dis-sacupy, or disadari? Maybe that would be a key, yeah,

is, the lembagan, or, how far, how much things like to belemagued with good.

So, in Junkke, it, there's, all the other things, that's been able to

be able to be able to be able to be able to get-placus by the city, education,

a colon, gubernator, education, so they're there are training program that's been really,

yeah, yeah, yeah, that I said I said, I said, I'm talking about,

the structure angarand area where optimal, yeah, and then, and then can't

be able to be able to bejani like this, yeah, so, yeah, so, the way,

there's not, there, there, academia, there, there, there, yeah,

they're, margues, they're many many people that's great yeah

until they're madden yeah already ready to take on the way to make

the way and it we're saying we've said it's and did mack and it

and it's done did be modal um the

people and the knowledge the compilance communication communication,

intramal with diplomacy, which in many the other, it's not there, not a democracy.

They're like, learn while while it's not the lemagakan. They're trying to on YouTube

or try it on the internet, yeah, and, um, and take a consultant, yeah,

and Kyeongk and other other than other than the country, because, because of the

clubbagan, now, we took the slah the program-lunak, yeah. It's, for me as a part of software that's

very important, that's a lot of there's a lot of democracy, there's a linkeran satan, where the resolutely

economy, make people people, people, the people who then, uh, , then,

um, , um, insiducus, or melemakhed institutions, institution, or, and,

um, and, um, institutions, and merosat the lembagan, and, because with

the lemmahs the lemaghan, it's, more power that is the executive, so, so there's not there,

lemaga, that, uh, what, uh, uh, with, uh,

with, with, if we're, the president, or president, So, um, it's

not very powerful, yeah, but like we're from from the way of the city, gubernur, really,

really, deprederer, and be able to and be under accountability. Uh, we're in Indonesia,

maybe also, have a paradigm that's wrong, yeah, all know to centralizeer, yeah, because we

think we're people, the area, they're never can bechus. Uh, butahal, it's

can be diselsa with education, with the way of the way that's

we're in fact that we're like you know, process selection, process

pre-beckalan with with the elmue, kettlans, and people, and the

time we said, we said, super-penting accountability transparency, so, so we're

we're doing, the Beminan Dairah, governor, the city, the city, not

new thing, with transparency, with transparency, and accountability. Not with we trying to try, micromanaging, we want to

manage it, we can't be able to be able. Yeah, same as like Beijing, uh, and over the

years, it's not much, it's not even can't make the country so much,

with the population with that centrally, they're, they're not having had people,

and, and, Pendelegation Mwana and Pendelegation Angaran And as much we know that

So much we can make sure we can make sure we can make upurbaning the condition Pajak

more rendah or tingy penglontor Dana Rueh Ruanak or non-lunap that

okay okay just as long as there's accuntability and Beijing is BORD

not want substitutes attribution accountability with authority. Yeah,

yeah? Conton real, yeah. They've had got to be the

menry pertanan maybe two or even three, four time in three, four

time. Yeah. Butahal, it's a person with President Xi Jinping. Even,

in a few in a selects or dipilich yeah, by

Xi Jinping but when he's but when you ketawan, there corruption or

publicing and they're not able to not be stopped yeah so-sue that's

about she Zymping there's and true Xi Jinping um and

have been doing accountability trust like that's trust that's yeah

yeah like Lee Kuanyu he's this in the context guru

yeah he to recruit guru from percent of 20 percent percent of the top. And this is there is a big of the impuret that if you're making recruit guru from 20 percent of the top of the top of the other, he, that in a while, he's going to do you,

buttrakut guru from the bottom on the bottom, the bottom, he, in a while, he's just one, nine, nine-bun-a-juration. So you've got to look at discount nation building if you're not,

you're not going to recruit guru on the atas. Beto, Right. Now, he's also bullet from from the end of the last existensiness he, that's

going to beuling with people who who have been attributability, integrity, yeah. Simple, though,

so, that's that if you get in JPLC just, so it's badang. Simple, but not muddha.

Simple but not simple, but not, what, not, not, not, what,

it's, because more more more more more than people are

with penjilat or with a friend yeah um to build a zone for a

person a man from a man from people who rather than malleying with people

yeah that maybe we can we can we make we get so maybe

maybe or or uh or or with or with people

who are people who are and argumentative, yeah, usually when people are people who are people who are argumentative,

yeah, so if a man people, people, people, people, people, people,

that's a person to be argumentative and and many debate, or, debate

or argumentation yeah that yeah for us that we're we're we're trying

yeah we're usually we're we're using can it yeah we're

we need we need we need we need conflict or partaronging uh

agasan yeah so that the good idea that's that's that's

and we I'm going to what idea the idea the negasance in the process

pertabatance but it is a mental that's better from the people who who have

who have had a point of yeah Tom I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm every newbid Diri to get in getting

ingeting Dirk Dirk that I'm the powerwomen, I'm going to say, I'm going to give to say to

what he has done, not what he wants to hear. And this, back to, what we've been what we're doing,

how we're doing, how to find a titic to meet with optimal between the kind of, but this

that's structural is, the column- it, little, back to 88% that's not

, you, not, have the ability of the education is one. Now, the task our own to end up to down. So,cephat maybe.

Yeah. Maybe this is also, yeah, I'm curious again, yeah. Apakak, whether revolution digital and revolutions media social

and revolution artificial intelligence. Yeah. Moken credential, creditional. What's the issue is. What?

certifications or qualification can be be able to be the Albania, right that's it's been it's about

subjectivititus Yeah now this maybe with maybe with the

podcast podcast like we're and like and other with many like with many

content educative in online yeah who are people who are people who aregian autodidact and rajun make consummsy

content intellectual can't someone who has been someone who has been formalistic he only he has he made gougoukirkan

some the requirement that has been to get diploma S one, but maybe maybe not to he's jawed

to learn of the life really have intellectual curiosity, or other

commitment to make sure to be concept of the action in the land in

the yeah. We can we know in a pastar yeah, a market

economy or in in the peredaran in the agon economic

and social If people formal gaggle, um, reproducts or

melani the need the needs of people who people are to be to the other ways

non-formal. Yeah. So, we're not the kirkurranan professor, we're at kirk-kouran

campus, we're kirk-kouran and there. There's no power of political, to make-monger-pul-pul-politic to

and agarcared with good, yeah, uh, back, uh, compensation guru or with

sarana, prasarana, uh, for school, yeah, people, will be online,

people, will be able to podcaster, from, from, from YouTuber, influencer, and,

there's, content online, yeah, melalue seminar, online, melalely, yeah,

and, um, um, Like, I'm not going to think, wow, I'm saying, I'm saying, because,

as I, that's, I, the same, you know, about, about, business,

about money, auto-idac. Autodidac. And, d'uble there, internet,

even, even, even, even, yeah, which there, can, magel-a-

majolah, majolah, like, Fortune magazine, force magazine, when that business week now that

it's been to Bloomberg Business Week I've been able to learn about business from the major from the majora like that not from

from mataculia or from education formal yeah so I'm I just

I just I'm just I'm there's been there's many content content that button button

yeah and this platform platform Netsource They're kind of again and theners to try clickbait

so it's that's sensational that's more more than more but the intellectual maybe not as well as like what we're

so much so much more than sensationalization this with intellectualization so that auto-idac in this is the process autodidac in

my mat I'm at the same time too still still to be going to be in

I think I'm I'm looking there's moving there's making many people

find content that maybe more than for to make a rachat the life

from from different dimensions or that that's how it's how it can't

make sure can't make sure how much more effective in business or

be niagara in the market how it's how much effective as

public speaker yeah like communication and so yeah

and yeah and like mark yeah like like

seminars seminar online seminar online seminar offline yeah well

um maybe um maybe um maybe um from the

quality but but the content that's there's also and also

content somepah many but I see trend trend yeah trend yeah

it's all to content content that minimum yeah miniscuration

minimum and even even and even Because, because Because because

Because generation young before was a non- non-n-n- cony-koyle

and luci cute, now, now, move to to happen to happen where they

start when they're with questions and questions and very what,

what the life, what I'm my I'm being people

like what? Yeah, and I'm like what how

how how how man between the wife and the wife and

how much being people who making being to be and and

my amaz I'm I'm my sure also can

show that so so the machine chatak the

printing press I 1550 thank you Johannes Gutenberg. We're just more, we're going to be Havel,

gini, gina, from the United, than I'm sorry. Johannes Gutenberg, 1450, memosemboat machine chatak, yeah.

Sirka. GERC, 1550. Now, because, because, it's the only for

the book, yeah, to democratization access to al-Qatap. Before that, the al-Q-Q-Tul-N-A-L-Kat-X-X- with a-Kat-Kat-G

without, even, without, By the way, a job and not all, because of the

book of not much much more yeah. But with the development technology setak,

yeah, it was in the first time, karek 50. Revolution America, revolution

France, that's 17, 50-han, 17-18-18- , yeah, 600. And,

and, it's the name pamph. It's like hoax, met-sos time now.

So, partarung political that's saling them fitna, saling malight,

yeah, can, youbering to be bohonging with machine setac. Yeah,

pamphlet that's produced such a massal, and did baggy, yeah, and it's

to be dending and, and he bagg to do back to the work in and it,

and it's many, there's bigotan, yeah, many, guyonan, but also

There's many of the filthias that's been jacotokan lawan politics but long in the long time can culture they're revolutions

that's more making madue and the machine chat backer for book for a and mulal and

mulmuch majoring majoring per sector yeah so for the uh...

uh... uh... for the tucang pipa yeah plumbing like plumers weekly

or plumbers monthly, or in America before, it's not the time of majorla, but I remember like, like, like,

like, like, like, popular mechanics. Popular mechanics. Popular mechanics, or, architectural digest,

home and garden, dwell. My favorite, home and gardens. My favorite, home and gardens. My garden dwell. Until this day, I'm still watching.

See? And, and, people learn technique the canaman technique

of the landcaping from the majala majavs that's now. Now,

I'm looking at the same. Maybe in the public flat online, you can click bait that's

things, ha ha ha conio, even beissy debaugh or distorty facta

yeah, but the thing to maximize click, maximalk can views and likes. But I'm not born and I'm looking

Pergiseraan Pasar to Content content that's which are more that informative, educative and the most the most important, trusted. That's like now the people are

Ceredas really, yeah. Bisa have put in the sikap curiga and the more than more content that you're

that you're that content that not be sure. This is polarisation, percapable. We still are, we can't be punky it.

And if there are two kutub, Eco chambers, one, the right-canan, I, too, I've been in context, anguplac-plit,

or process politic, which, the right, if, if there's, to makeampaign, has been a person that

penu-harapan. But, they need to bea-dabilit-s. But, I'm going to get-oan that he plagiat. Suresa, credibility. Gagal, he, if you want to move. But if you're going to be it more

gampang. Because he's just a impingatimidation, the pesan ketakutant. You, if you're not nublas I or not milling me, you'll be rampok, will be perkosa, will be this,

back on, not need credibility. Now, Now, as long polarization this is not be obadi and

not beobati. Because, I mean I'm structural, the senjangan is that is that is a

true. That's right. That's, but all, it'll be able to be able to be men. Hemat

my might say, the hukom that's, the hukum that's, that's, that's, that's,

there's there's there, butas populist, or extremists, Yeah. Is it.

Is extremist, canan or extremist right wing, left wing, it's the uh, the end of the gasin. Yeah.

Because, to, uh, mensirami or, what, what, what, what,

yeah. Meelot. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, thank you. Um, to,

um, to, the, um, to, the, um, yeah,

So, maybe they're Marraugh, but that's it can be exploited by group of political

extreme, right, extreme canan to rebut of the power of but time and

people sadar diry, rationality a person munchel to comealy. So, yeah.

So, it's really, it's I'mmaid I'm sure this time this is quite yeah this is

from the Brexit that's in 2020 and many there's many the

um the um, the pinpinan radical right, that's since 20

so it's five time more yeah but again again 2016 since I'm

2016 yeah 2016 sorry Brexit in 2016 2016 sorry Brexit?

Because I think of 2016, don't, because I think of the United States, sorry, sorry. Because I remember I, care, since I'm in the same, Donald Trump was the same thing, and Brexit. Referendum had been in fact that majority of the English were going to be out of the Union Europe. 2016, 2016, so it's been 9th-tawn, yeah.

Golomang populism. Extreme, right, extreme canan. I'm also, I've got to looka-gulea-grile, that this it's maybe the time

the last yeah this is after after after after after

after because back again again people people people

there this this this manipulation this exploitation and

exploitation and um um plan plans sound and the

uh that and to gonging facta, data, reality, rationality that's,

it's more more more than more than get audience or more being magnet because

it's too long, and the extreme right, extreme right, and the

power this can't be able to not not can make to make upheaselan

and better than and be a certain and yeah analysis I know

I'm making make it like to come back to the center yeah center left center right but

not extreme left extreme right but maybe there may there there letackan

there there upia upia there from populace populace extreme the right, extreme can't,

to keep to keep cram on the system perpoliticaan lemaga, lemaga perumus and to make

hibegiatan. Centralization this, this is important. I'm going back again Comparation. Centralism,

centralism, centralism. Centralism. Yeah, can't central right. Dibanical fanatism,

yeah, so, fanatism, yeah, fanatism. The fanatism, but fanatist, right, but centris,

yeah, centrism. And that, and that, If that's, I think I'm going to be correlates with upay of everyone, not we're just, to more than we can democratization

idea. Yeah, can? J. not just met democratization information. But, but idea also has to democratization. Right.

So, we can't bring centralism that you sentrys. Yeah. Sorry, centrism. Yeah.

Yeah. And, and, that's, is a partarongan between EDID, partarongan and concept

concept, gagasan, be aggazan concept and idea the best of end up, and that's that's

that's been to a consensus, okay, in the war and agasan that's the most

the most the public is, is, is a, not a, not Gagasan B, C, D, and E,

and it, and it, and it to be the process perdeabatant that's open

and diwarnaic by the people of expression without fear

and far fear and and so because that's difficult to

don't not to not can give agasan idea

concept that possible but without perdeabat that bebas even

we can many can mannought concept of the concept of ideas that's

not never dojee not never be hard-hap and not be

sure to be in an arena pertemuran agasan and it's just

a gagasan that long as the repintah by the Pimpinan

without the after the end by after the catawan wow

this concept that kind of or gagasance that's very or the projectation that it's

that's that's it should be in the uh, doji before you and

lului partongan in a one of a debatance yeah and in the

and in the important to be mussawarham mufakat but agree to disagree

that's right that's right that's right that's that's allim want so so we

so we're terryaken, what, banding, meja, whatever, if you're

if you're about if you're doing, have a beer, yeah, have coffee.

Right, get to gop and gop and then, oh, make, want to get

to be back, but that even, but that uh, brantem about the

idea, but, but, not personal that, yeah, even, maybe,

maybe, try, tearyat, but we're that we, the, the, the,

the, , But that's what we're doing it is that is that, what's the only thing is, the idea of, but if you're going to after that, that's,

uh, a, uh, the, uh, the, the other people, that's, that's,

what I, what, yeah, what, yeah, the, the same, the, extreme,

can't, one, extreme, be debat they agree to disagree, musha people who are

they're never, they're in same, same, as much as people, ideology,

we're bad, the mind bad, but they're but they're but they're but they're but they're

that's not that I'm that I'm that I'm about you but we're but we're not but it's

not, it's right, right, right, really, really. It's one one of the

one person one yeah, yeah, that's the that, that, that,

that, a situation politic that suburb berentakan because people

can make a consensis or not can be

not not the um um umotot and not

not and not and not by um diwarnai by mental

if if if if I'm pro-id I It's anti

I'm rather idea and the idea and the two things are different either

not pro idea but it means it's not pro I'm it's

it's must be budacacan or to let's restarik in

in discursus in as um umum yeah Tom

I'm back again in in the per-binding between Tyeongk

and Asia Tengara, this is the this. This is the economy in 30 years, the end up

10-cated, the world, the United Cases of this is a amount of three-a-li- attribut.

The first we've been about, investations Tionkok in infrastructure. Yeah. But,

but, but, but, but, the time, more than $12,000, the second, investas to

the penidika. nother or they're prestation or non-tershare or non-tershare far more than than we've got done.

The third we've got to talenta and the guisean, governance, meritocracy, and everything. The last. The last is that we're

that we're going to bea which, the one of people can't make sure can't make sure per 1,000 people,

Asia Tengar only one, I'm using per 1,000 people, but if we're Kupas. Philippina and Indonesia can't let's

no.3 I mean. Perseribu of Deguas. Singapore, 9. Rataata Asia-Tengara one.

The fifth, is, decentralization, economy. In Tians, in Tijuana, is not real. I'm going to

talk to four. Perisinan. You can garruthsing I'm just four. That's right.

Same, on the KPM. Now, when we're we're going to see, it's in the

can, is actually manifestation of three attributes. Yeah. Not or add any of

pulus. If you're money, yeah, people are long as people, yeah.

Two, buddaiah. You, entrepreneurial or not? Yeah. The people people are

people who want to be an entrepreneur. Yeah, yeah. And then the three, bureaucracy.

Yeah, yeah. So, so, the calah or the We're going to be able to allow can it's going to beauntung

the way. Budaity has, or not? And bureaucraciness be in or not? Yeah. How do you? To the front.

Periginan, yeah. This can, it's been, it's also part of a one of a circle of setan, yeah,

where uh, the culture corruption, so that's so that so that's, mendered douging to,

yeah, to where and and the reasonan it's the sum of the

money for the people, you know, parted as if if the publicisi

is, even apart not have had been incentive to makeas regulation

and memcass Rantai Perinan because every I mean, each recommendation,

setiap Pekulian, that, it's, it's digangin, you, can,

yeah, can. So, the kind of the people, have

have had to have other to be to build the and with the

good, not with the So, so, the problem compensation it's not be hindery,

yeah, even possible controversial. Yeah. Massal compensation the people.

Uh, two, uh, misanion yeah, so many regulations, and perjinnan

the reasonan, it's not just to be made abo abu, yeah, soing-soat can't be intervency and mancam

or menudu-stom, first, menudu, then mangan, and it's also also a sum of a sum of a surfer emersan,

the result. How much how much them matthakhan this this istacan this. I agree

with waccana anis, because in the world setan and condition that man the

which is which is the one of the one the other and the first of

we're from where we're from from where honest to say that's always natural

we're from parpo parol so they have they're give back the

kind of better than better so that they're not much to come

the government the government which the only just

one one, you know money can perjinnan, man unawankan

people that's corruption with money and money and money

and that's often kind of that's the purpose parol

tarot people in the community lemagat yeah so

if if not not this is this is controversial

and maybe a position the position the unpopular

but hemat I'm not can't be hindered that the big of

debiiated from the APBN not not can be plurro ajaip

not can not can long to keep but that it's probably

permulan that being minimum parpo parpo parpo not use like

makes makes people people who are people who are people

who So, so the governor, so what, yeah? Because the need of the power, minimum, already, is, there's, there's, there's, there's, no-wishearer, yeah, no-wisar-n't-not-knit-lady-lady and collusion.

We're also, in the world of satan, from this way, from this gig, we're, we're doing-enan, and money can surat recommendation

or permerasan and emalakan that is instant that instant that's right

in the in the front for the people, the department, the apparatus that may be

but from the resultan it will be better better and more

the part-legs, and apparatus can be think jang-pang-pang-pans. So, and-a-cata

there mechanism, where they all have a way to build asset jang-pang-pang. The asset

the value-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-li-n-n-a-bac-lap-a-bac-lap-a-bub. The project-eus, not-ab-ab-bub, pergeny moreh, apparatus that's that's to build

economic and the asset assets that they'll make, the line-ne will be better than the money that they can

palak, the money that they can peras in the face, in the front. So,

one paradigm that, Yeah, for me fundamental, is everyone now want to instant,

they're all think of people think of pendent, mumpung I'm going to jabat, maximalkan

the result of the provisionan, from from palat priginan or perforassan. Padalal

if we're in simulasi, if we can spreadsheet, we can make projection to beaqaqa payout, yeah,

presi of private, you know, risk of course, or even 15, 20, 20, years. If they're

making assets, the value that's going to be in economy that good, with economy and economic, you,

that's the people, they're more than the way of their power of their palack or press from the

week to week, the month to be able, it, it's, it's, it's a

But there's anything than it than it we're we're we're in a

lot of and in Silicon Valley yeah that's like the kind of many

times rippet yeah than with the people we're corrupt yeah

so maybe there there there there there we have

mechanism mechanism where they have been they have had been a stake yeah

have had asset that is a more than more than more than long than

long than their money that they comepulkan through mingue to mingue melancho through

commasan, you can, corruption. And that, the end it's always bad, yeah,

always, what, uh, yeah, like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

it's always per-gum-brug- -lour- asment- the peopleiacan that's basic,

perjinnation that's simple, and efficient and some people people, people,

the staff, the system, yeah, have, uh, have, uh,

want, the, the line of that's, much, more, more, more success,

yeah, in the current time, even, 10, 12, 12, years, not

not, not, not can have to long, yeah, to be bid like that's

being in the and it's and it's the way in the way. Yeah. It's been being in

the corruption and collusion. And, and it's present value is very very much true.

This is this. This is. This is. And, back again to imagine and imagination.

Yeah. I mean, many can people people people we can't imagine the world

like that. Yeah. where, um, so when the campaign Pell Press,

Anison I've made a concept name name ownership society, yeah, a society

people who people who because we're, we're doing people, you know about that

the society America and many in the country and much in the country, it's justra because

gaii, yeah, not because the gajy and bonus or compensation but Because they're

investsating tabungation in the sum of in the property like a room or asset other than with the

government and with apparatus that economic economy better macket and the increase that is usually

that's the motor of the state and public yeah which they're called as

wealth effect so that people sechatera because the way the money their

money money portfolio and obligation and obligations the money the

asset and they make and they're doing the same the yeah

because it's the economy that imbong that because

that's the most because that the part of for the cost of the

money the money this this this this this

the two attributes other the other are of the culture entrepreneurial,

that if I'm going to be ambusy and imagination, but the one of the three, I'm going to sing-ung, y'etit, if we look, fiscal, the besterbastasan

the payact that's not, just 10% tax-lays and ratio the value of the budget to the economy, and ratio of the

amount baredar M2a to the BDB is about 45% And in the book we call it as liquidities. Sioux. Well, I'm going to be able to say, that one-one-cure that one-stunuched is

to end up to money from the world. This I'm going to mongue on investasi. Siap. Capacitas-Singapura, mendatank-fdi-i-in-farlute. It's every time 100-1-130, $140 million. Milliar-dollar per-town.

Indonesia is only-tri-odd-l-a. Yeah. Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam, to,m each-masing 10 to 20. In fact-relative, capacity of each-marsing in Singapore to make FDI, it's $20,000 per-one per-o-one. Indonesia, Philippines, and line-lain,

it's just $100 to $400. Bede. Now, this, if I'm in-hutertees, I'm going to be a hypotesa, this is two variables, or attribute. The first, penaggaken-hook. Right. Singapore is

It's just. What's just. What's thegat. Beto. The second, capacity from translation from the

notepastien and it's risk who more can be be-purdiction and be the nilai. Triple-e

k, double-b k, single-C or what. And model is still with risk because it

can be price. Beto. I want to talk about about two attributes this. Peneggaken and how we can't

we can't even translate from uncertainty to be res. So, the model this being blimpah in the world,

especially, this, this is, because they're important to diversification. Because the premy risk in there is going to

make up our we're not able to and we can't be translacy. Yeah. Maybe in the Akar two attributes

that we're saying We'll say, the system of the system the and risk management, yeah, and...

fundamental. In the acar from two tribunal on the first on the problem.

And I just just I've been a bitual alamian nine more than with the

rule of course but even the two two two the end of the trust trust. Yeah,

trust. Why? Nogara and the country small, like Singapore or

Swiss. Yeah. Swiss also the gilana. Chaddman division they're almost

make up to $1 trillion dollars but a population just I have over the position 10 million maybe.

Yeah, can be called that's a small that's the country to Swiss in a lot of per time.

Now, we've got to get more than $1 trillion dollar for only only the

population so much. Tategulati that we're in Singapore yeah, sokeal that population

6, maybe, yeah, it can be 120, 140 million per 1, 140 million.

1,000. Asian country, to 200 to 30 million a year. So in the case, in the time, it's been $700 million dollars. Yeah, because trust, trust, trust, investor, they're that's, I'm sure that to throw money in Swiss, that's a man.

Tarot money in Singapore, it's not, and amman from from, from big segie, it's not only, and from penipuance, amand from

from the abuoling bank, what, the name expropriation, so it's one-won-un-an-an-an-

apparel, to-mossack to-mocom. Now, then, how much can't be-mol-a-ris- Now,

this, which, even, I'm-h-h-h-h- -techn-te-socrat, the most the most it's

not understand or even or even it's not important risk and

make up risk so every we're there's crisis like in Asia

Tengara in Asia Timur yeah in 2019 2009 2008 2008

all the permus government to make risk crisis

crisis global 2008 all the all people people

people make RISCO. Risko is risko is the bhaan bachu

bar, you know motory innovation of usah and so if we're making a

new innovation that's risk, yeah, bina bina innovation not be done by

the innovation is always experiment and we're weirah ushasa, we want to try and try,

yeah, so, it's also risk. And without risk, there's there can't have been

development or development economy. So, many, economists are around, economy global, call-emout-mant,

man, you can, it's been 10 years more, yeah, that's because

people, people, it's, to continue to to makehilank risk

from the system banked, from system government, from the system

assurances and so yeah. But, without menendar it, it justro,

misholank the bhau, bhaqu innovation, newovacan, yeah, experimentation,

and sogiennation, and sogainna. Now, the, It's just a In the Negara

Maju there is a bankruptcy protection So, so really

limited liability So people So, one something new

has got there procedure that transparent that is very

technocratis Sring Kali Melooo And then it's done

again, he didn't get stigma Now, what's did notai, yeah, in the surat

the ralayanan police, or like that. Apolagy apolagy. So, so, we're more

from me, because sometimes, many, I'm going to be going to spend time,

the thing, is a raiacan, yeah, in, celebrate, in,

that, used to the, that's a person, is a risk, ,

or, and don't know innovation. So, okay, start from the first, yeah,

the reason, the result of curugian, if there's that there, there's all right, there, there,

mens rea. Yeah, not impede data. Yeah, the world of usahan, yeah,

from all upaya of the thing, which, the result, probably, can't

only, 10%, yeah, Masa that 80% want to be said it's a crime. It's a crime to fail in business, in science,

so, so, risk, the risk, regalance, grugian, it's, sisi

line from the money or, or what, yeah, coin. So, there's success than pa,

gagalance. There, there profit or the or the potential

prudiation and even the end up because there again,

only can only 10% from from all the of the business but if if it

if they're not being not over risk there, there never there

never can there there and that then that I'm

people I'm too when you I'm going to metaphor that you've

just used but even the metaphor olaragawan or olaragawat that's that's more than

rather than megang medalli than megang medalli oh yes they know how to lose and they know how to lose that's right and

just how to get back that's making that's become become pemecute to be able to

better. I'm back. Back again back again. And I'm mymav, mullang, along, like

it's, I'm, remember we're in reality the world Metsos, in the reality digital, online,

and at all the a while reality artificial intelligence, yeah, through online, media social, moreubach

mental, to change culture not more than mencelah or merendh or merendah

or the gagal and if you're wrong I remember I'm reposting in one

one of one one of my thoughts yeah yeah also not be more lewkan people who

success and today we're singung aspect hockey. Hockey. Yeah.

Hockey. Banymuch. There's life in life that hockey. Hockey or like

not, or like sial. Yeah, so, so, so, so,

or hockey. Random. That's not a factor in the kind of kind of

we're, yeah. Teman our, we're saying, better lucky and

smart. No. There, no, the, the company who's success.

Yeah, if they got out that's full of their because there's been there's

there's a lot of yeah, lucky, luck. And the other the factor

the factor in the world we're gonna beaqqed to beaunted to the individual that.

This is the factored in the world to be able to be able to get to It's the other than if it's penipuan, yeah,

nolong, corruption or collusion, that, yeah. But, I mean, I think we're with a mental. Yeah,

and more mental, and, again, and again, we're and influencers who, who are orientations substance, material,

is doing it right now. Yeah, is doing it right now. Yeah, is going to be able to our future of our, Amen. To be rewapal, we're going to be able to

Seringalika Lack. Oleg, or with, or with, with a curangus, but, co-hawkian, it's invincible. Yeah,

right? Now, I want to ask, this, this, we've got about 1,000, 45 minutes, this, spirituality,

lo, intuisi, lo, how, if, if, if, that, if,

if, with the konging with the hoskian you, the end up again, good. Um, apalagued in the penjara for nine months, yeah,

many of time to renung and meditati and bacha book, book, spiritual, and, and, back in that I said

yeah, many, peristewa, many, there's we're not just to be jellasks can with a letterang of other,

in the tongue Torn. And, yeah, if we got seen-singung in the hall we

camelland, yeah, in Balakartini, that's, for the personal month, we've got tootak, butro-otak, manpilat,

and, you know, argumentation that's the most Kempelang, to make-and-cank-public, yeah. that I didn't

have been wrong. All right. All right. Afterna, the council of men jacques men's got to fernice.

But, only a week then, tibbaugh that's the abelisii, yeah, from the president,

and from the president, and from the government, the plight of the pampenan man, yeah,

tangan't man, and then, and, and, and, and, and, and,

my, that's the that's like the plan with with many with the

other with other than the way and there reshuisable per boresan

perkemangan in out of dugua and and yeah yeah

yeah the plan of I was I have to be left the

experience and in criminalization has in the penjara have to learn

how that's been there's a other than I'm doing this other than I'm doing that's not a lot of

people are you and bedacking non-greens than badehaling langoing than you can be bachachar or

in the article or in the storyin people yeah um um

yeah if we're if we're if we're things and the that's more

bernan Allah that's that's really we're really a lot yeah than than

with a chance that's that's that's who can imagine the the

perjalan my time from the time by people people

to be being up being um up uh... uh...

percommunication in the sidang with public yeah uh as good,

and, and, actually, and, and, and, and, uh,

marries abolition that's that's in 80 years of republic, only, gave to be eight times,

yeah, I have been the seven or the eight, that's the that's the one-alaw, yeah,

and, and, not ever to be a and, and, yeah, I'm,

I'm, I'm, say, I'm using, from the Islam, Islam, the same

the same the same the same the same which is a wakal. We have must be itiard

to all out maximum. But when it's time it's time to be to the end up to

we needy we have must passah and Iqal and the power and I'mah

and I'ma that the that's also the more the sameast that's always makeilibrium and sure

in the and yeah, um, yeah, it's like if we can

make factor hockey, luck, in context spiritual, yeah, yeah,

but what what we can what we can optimal can in character and perilaku

to make maxima factor hockey. Dr. Lack, yeah, can. Antar the

other than I'm in I'm in mind I'm sure, yeah. Because certainly

we're not that we're really, we're thinking, we're really, we're thinking we're even

more than TWA, yeah, we're not, we're we're not, we're, we're,

we're, we're, we're, but, but, and, but, T,

but, T, or solution that's more better so much yeah.

So, I can make know ego, yeah, the kind of under the kind of,

one, two, two, flexible, flexible, not, not, not,

not, you know, the point of the solution should be in, you know, but just,

there's other solution or factor other, uh, sadder diry,

yeah, kind, like, we're not we're not we're there's in

illusion or paradigm we're being we're open and really be able to be able yeah

to be there's a few days in discussion we're in we're talking kind of

serendipity yeah so that isla great for kind for hockey

Hockey, luck. I think that's 100% of the menusia is hockey. Cuman 80% from the person maybe still don't

be able when hockey that's actually because notot with a paramedima, got to be a plan,

there's a factor not-tred-dugue from the same thing. So, it's solution. It's a key. But, but because we

sootau, that's not a solution that I make in, yeah, so they abeying or be

casemingkan padahal that's the cruxion yeah, so it's a biterbukkan that kind of

needn't hearty, yeah, that's, that's really not from we're not from it, but

from the mahaquasa or from other people from even from that's there's not

the way, can't be, it's, the solution from the solution from from the enemy

or mussel or or people who are in that we're in front of someone or how yeah

so you live it full with with erroneous yeah and like we've been in town hall

we're in town hall we're God has a great sense of humor yeah so not

yeah aspect aspect if aspect if you know if there

kind of there not there manus that can't yeah

um Tom Gawna, I want to say and don't stop, to keep, to keep to go-

perjalan banka and negara. I'd give, I'm using me metaphor or to be

talking about ringan. So, the patung here is there is a good indeed, this I'm

brought from the people people, the friend, I'm but this is over

casting or or what? The task our our Our task our our To be itchitar To mingupas Yeah, right? And it's required

Maybe not but smart not Yeah, right? Because if you Nupas it with the way You're not lucky Yeah, yeah

The endahed Patong that's not it's not Kliaten And so belik And sobelicna Yeah Please keep doing

what you're doing Yeah Yeah we're doing. Yeah, we're Yeah, we're Inspiration for many

a calangang professional generation under and and I'maf over-ulang I'm saying

podcaster influencer that's mid-sonser and substansi like to make

culture and mental we and that and that from there there's there's

there's there's there's there's there's a strategy economy and like

but the acorn it's mental we and culture

That's the power of our and people in the sector podcasting and influencers. Thank you very, Tom. Thank you, thank you so much. Thank you very. Thank you. Teman, teman,

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