Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Gita Syahrani: Ekologi, Ekonomi & Lomba Menuju Cukup

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

Kadang kita terlalu sibuk mencari jawaban di luar diri. Seringkali kita lupa bahwa mungkin saja kebijaksanaan masa lalu peninggalan nenek moyang adalah jalan keluar dari masalah yang kita hadapi hari ini dan modal untuk masa depan yang lebih baik. Sejatinya, jawaban yang kita tunggu telah kita miliki — pertanyaannya, apakah kita siap untuk mengingatnya? Gita Syahrani, pegiat gotong royong di bidang kelestarian, menceritakan bagaimana Indonesia bisa berdaya dengan mengelola keanekaragaman hayati yang ada di berbagai daerah secara bijak dan ‘cukup’ lewat skema bioekonomi. Gotong royong berbagai pihak lintas sektor dan geografis yang terjalin bukan hanya lewat logika tapi juga rasa jadi kunci keberhasilan perjalanan bersama. Gita Syahrani adalah Kepala Sekretariat tahun 2017—2023 dari Lingkar Temu Kabupaten Lestari (LTKL) sebuah asosiasi pemerintah kabupaten untuk mewujudkan pola pembangunan yang menjaga lingkungan & menyejahterakan masyarakat lewat gotong royong. Gita juga menjabat sebagai Ketua Dewan Pengurus dari Koalisi Ekonomi Membumi (KEM) yang terbentuk di tahun 2022 sebagai upaya mendorong bisnis dan investasi lestari terhubung dengan daerah yang juga lestari di Indonesia. ------------------------ Risalah Episode Ini: https://sgpp.me/eps150notes ------------------------ Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: [e-mail] https://admissions.sgpp.ac.id https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: Indonesia Matters Wandering Scientists The Take Kunjungi dan subscribe: SGPP Indonesia Visinema Pictures

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not only for people people in Indonesia, but in Indonesia and But before before to this, the perjalan of your life of your life, hmm, perjailan of my life, maybe, if I'm, sometimes,

people, try a-how moment, like, to come-mah, moment, but, I'm actually, I'm sure, but, I'm sure, because it's big-backed, the from the first-it-you-law, that's, maybe, like, the pola-pickir-n't, we're in-a-in-in-a-a-a-uh,

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so it's like, from the other than, so it's to be-bara-as-a-a-law. Now, because they're both bekerja, I'm in the time, TK, right, right, so on the time, because we're bonding-basket, you know,

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to hang, and, and he, and he, didn't, and it's, I'm gonna, it's,

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, so, so, so, like, so, so,

so, yeah, so, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna, now, like that's kind of the first people's disadermal in, it's not like

like the world's, I'm sure, about the world's about, about human rights, about binatang, and from, and from my mother's, I don't know, yeah, the language of what, that's still, you know, but the intinging is, how much the way, yeah, so everyone, um, say, with the, um, same a-alam,

with the, um, about binatang, and Ibu-bush, I'm like, it's like, this about kind of the way, so I'm going to be psycholo, so, so, so, so, so, gare-gare-gare-kegating it, so, how much,

you know, philosophies that, eh, if, jahat, with binatang, and, and, from, tumouran, to,

n't, we, can't be here, again, so, how, yeah, the, and it, and it, because,

that, it's, from, the, this, we're, we're, we're, we're,

we're, we're, But I'm not only because of mathematics, I'm just like, yeah, in exact, so, so, so so, so when I'm gonna'clock two, I think, is there, no, yeah, a car other,

to make people be thinking like that? Dissue, I'm gonna make sure. So, I'm gonna'emps, class three, I'm pitching, like, to Ibubapes my, because I'm, bapapeshaeaner, two-nay-neigh-dha. And, um, what, can, this, bertway is better, so. when I'm when I'm saying, I'm going to learn to work because,

I think, it, it's a lot to help people, uh, sayang with alam, you, that's, um, and not even, come up here, SMPP, because I'm afraid, it's not going to be able to say. Yeah, it's been bad. Yeah, it's too over-thinking, yeah, if I, if I'm not, if I'm not, because I'm curious, like, but, but, but, but, simply, um, um, um, bursinger, like, um, um, um, um, just to be resatigued, so, from the past,

that's quite, with my mom-tow-say, and because I'm a-and-a-an-satuner, yeah, sir, so, from the way, I'm justifi-as-a-pac-pillation, that's-mmp, because, okay,

don't know, nant, SMA, it's got to get-a, you're, not, so, yeah, no, so, yeah, yeah, because,

they're, from class three-S-MPE, you know, so, that, so, From there's it's like this, this pathway that has been throughsing people. Motivation still same.

Motivation still still as simple. So, until now, too, fat, so simple. Jaman 5 years, that. Gavement to think again, that they're not sure to sayang with alam. Because it's beneficial for them, yeah, that. Then get to be law. Gave. Gavellcum.

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pa temptation is the time time time and then I'm afraid not put not put in time so

so okay if that's double just so I'm so I'm also so I'm also

there's social circle in um in putt and after after the after the abel so it's

malabababab yeah if the time I'm able to We're talking about Indonesia just, because of the country, so that's gothanging, we're going to be a lot of the world,

right. When I was, first, I was, I'm seeing from angle of the agaigua and fauna illegal, because Indonesia ratification, you, got, convention, side-test, this, and, and, like, but,

I think, I, I'm, I, when, I'm still, the clenew, too, did sell, bea-bebas, you, for, to consume, so, why that? like that. And from there, oh, oh, if I'm going to hear of people, um, kind of bringerick about, um, thank,

thank you forerimacasy, some alam, lewetting, maybe it's more holistic, yeah, like, same scenario of life, not just something that I think, um, people can't, you know, he's, uh, he said can't even, uh, heidcuping because what's the sehaparious, that's the other than the other than the other, it's more good, because, actually,

it's got to be a lot of people who's perspective not long-linguanguing, you know, but, right, can't be a lot of interest that, but because of it juster, so, no, we're just like,

we're just talking about, we're in-lankinguinging-do-and-a-tment, that's, that temptation-in-you- Then, then, to Scotland, yeah. Right. So I'm like that's like that, right? So, okay.

So, yeah, okay. So, yeah, I think about to work, uh, so I'm gonna get, like, yeah, I think I'm going to go to NGO, like, or I'm like, yeah, what, like, but, tibbeck, up, but, if, before I'm gonna'emusk, so, yeah, so it's gonna be able to beaer again,

like, what, like, what, like, what, did get to get to-cinted-lady, like, because, because, because, really, international, and the kind of, like, but when I'm going to run, I'm going to work in my own, the NCE Advocates,

before, met met her name was that, great, really, me, my, and, and we're the time, just to learn, back, Hukom.

Now, when, be able to learn again Hucom, I'm going to about, if you're being lawyer that good, not just to get to just to get the

the law but, but because of the people's the people's people's really, I'm at the kantor first I'm, too, but, um, just when I'm, um, um, just to, um, um, that's, I'm sorry to, I'm gonna russing lingungan, can, pa. So, why's just, do you know, resigning? Merger Acquisition, garrisoning it, like, uh, capital market, what, new, hubunganying, you, can?

Then, I'm, yeah, chary-carry, in Indonesia, the same-degovac, that's very, like, like, but the global, yeah, that's been, many firms

and around to back there. In Jakarta, there's one law firm and one lawyer. And I think work work for that.

So, so I'm going resign, and then I'm going to leave, and then, and I think, when I gave Surat Resignation, founder of my name,

mentor, too, agamara, you. Maktououmahue, I'ma really, you're nother, what's manja, yeah, what's to mania, yeah, why, you know, what's been to learn, what's going to learn out, what's out of course. You know, if you're going to beaignee business now, try client

and then, that's kind of second, yeah, Pat. So, that's like, so, I'm going to get into, like, I mean, I'm going to becky-as-ana, so, yeah, like, yeah, that's-law-goy-y-y-javent, because he, I, I'm trying to, make mechre big-be-bizare, because he, yeah, if you're-you-law-you-law, You can't, you know, you think, you think, you know, you have to be able to get in the unit that, you know, you're going to be able to do that

after, after that's, I decided not resign, decide to try client, and, the other senior and senior, to back up, so, so,

please, I'm going to, but I'm going to be doing, people who's who can't with someone, partner, and senior,

and I'm supposed to school. school, after after like five clients like, oh yeah, this is the truth yeah,

but if I'm really serious to work on this, I'm going to be more better than client's like that. So,

then after that, then that's to Scotland. And then why, Scotland? Because Scotland Scotland, that's number one is

good, the last one, the most of, the most part, the most part, it's, that, he's,

the same thing, the legend the leganda- -lognas, it, it's made, it's up the island sky. Yeah, there's school. Oh, yeah, in Dundi, right, inundi. So, he can, it's a country that can make

legend he, that's spiritual, so, the alatting their, not only only to be able to hangue the gungu, that, because, not the talk lognessy, yeah, marra, but it's also, it's just sober economy. So, I mean, to me,rox that's very much, In other, in 2010,

they're going to be able to beaute emissue that's big demering. Padahal, the same-emhamehame in the same thing people, industry extractive, mumpul. So, so, kind of,

me, school, in the place, where paradox it is there's actually, and there's one center, the center of energy, petroleum, and mineral resources, who have put up

program climate change. So like, I'm like to see, I'm going to apply to the place. But it's really, bea-beyondingia, but I'm trying to learn from people project finance, with the people engineering, people, geology, and other than, and that's one, and it's one center. I'm school in a country that, I'm actually, I'm really, I'm going to right there's right that's right?

and the third, the one's really better when I'm going to see people, the people of Scotland how they're interact with the world,

how can't be the economy that the economy's tumbled but the alaming but the model business is how much that's the three things

why? You're not I'm not so much more than fossil if you know out of the program public claim that it's not a way to make sure signaling

or they're really pure real to make sure solution. Apaka that in context transisi or even renewability? Depends, yeah,

if I, if I, if we can't even make even better can even if we're looking business model from the company

so far as long as far as so on the partong, like the program CSRs like how yeah, basically, right, right? Unit sustainability what's, what's the sustainability reporting

about, if I'm going to be sure, annual report, and projection, yeah, the time-pank-panking. If, even, the company

is serious, to talk in transition, it'd be there should be there, there's, there's, there, the angle-enel-diversification,

that's the first business, that's the first, that's different. That's the first, if you're still, yeah, not all the company even, to look at this, as something that's in partembangment business, business, yeah, there, what's important,

we have, the last thing, we know, in the ESG report's, there's progress, but, not be-acitant, that's, work-inability, and, work-in-a-usiness-operation,

that's not perkutant. I'm maybe not too much for the extractive, which is fossil. But, one of the work in 2014-16-1-6, it's convening for people and perusan person perkebunan-besar.

And, that time it was like in demo, about no deforestation, no pit, no exploitation. And in that, I see, struggle of the company

too, who, the bestiased with business model A, and they've have that has aser's model A, how much as much more, and it's just to look at least reseriusan, you know,

which, man who, who, even, uh, barru-on-the-service, which, man who, somehow overhaul to all-sranior-as-nario business,

and it's, and it's the bed-in-in-near-in-nean-reporting business-y, not the baggian-reporting business-y. If I was about, that's it. If I was about it, from, from the way of the way of the way, or even when it's notherment of the same-pani,

outlook that's the long-manentangued. I've been thereinvestation that scale of the scope to the transition, what is the newbability. This is about in Indonesia, yeah, sir, in the world. And I also got to be able

with the commandment fossil in the world. But they're, narasiness is, I'm going to look like to give up the world. But if you're like encuad to the atmosphere,

we're talking that realistic just, right? We want to be the planet this is more safe, urbanicum, that's just

the speedaning can't be able to be but I've been looking at any the way of the that's quite that's quite that's for the scale of the same

for the keypendingsy or renewability that's that that's yeah for we all then

from Scotland you either or work or back back back to

law firm sir sir sir because because when the law firm that's the law firm that's right because that's just that's like that's like that's like that's like that's

on the internet that amenging that's when you're making, yeah, so, right? So, back to law firm that same. Um, after that, kind of maybe, maybe three, four years, have client, that, um,

just, yeah, yeah, uh, maybe, uh, more, 2011,

that's about overrolet like this, jacques, like, so, yeah, so much, right, so, although it's already, it's already, and

because law firm that, focus on financing, the awallel, so, so, the client is, so,

so, the people, the angle, misal, misal, transaction, jule-bill-b-carboh, and we're

represent-s- finance-shares-n- yeah, so, so, so, Okay, but I'm okay, because of the same time.

So, justro, um, get used to, um, be able to knowan-enrable with the UMPA that's where after one um,

client, that UKP-P-4, unit-KKKKKKKKKKKKK time, to make the BADNATIONAL REDD Plus. Now, there I'm, wow,

so I'm, because one of the one of the first one make fun, as well as well-isional standard, that's-dainting the data-dana, to make-endacring deforestation and degradation

hudans for Indonesia. And, the fact-based performance. So, we have perform first we're... ...baru'd be able to buyer, so, like, it's ruckin, making formulations and other, so, transition is that,

I'm going to bea'u'a'a'a'a'a'n't like, like, like, asic, me, to make make public policy, to, we can't create, you know, imaginations not terbatas. Sedgant, when when, when it's a loter, it's kind of, maininterpretatification from what there, so, yeah.

So, like, yeah, maybe more down, lewet public policy, this, um, I'm because of the same, I'm going to to the realm public policy that's, like,

but then, then, but when again? So, but you're from public policy. But what I'm from the SMP until now,

consistent really, I'm, I'm, I'm, I've got to be a lot to, you know, yeah, right? Right, like, to do that.

But, you know, like, to be able to be able to, but it's really SMP, I don't know class, but it's bullet really. To be able to make solutions what you're going to be able to from the perspective regulation. Yeah, right? That consistency, maybe

to be sure you, I'm going to be able to so, yeah, sir. So, I mean, it's true. So, I'm going to, you know, perjolating that's like that's right now my own, what's my heart my own,

that's like that. Whatever's the answer and under the world. In 2016, in fact of 2016, when I learned with with with the kawan kawan perkebunan besar, I'm, so I'm,

how much regulation, and it's very perfecting, even, it's termakkan so-internal of if you know if people, if people, if they're not as well as well as pernuchyra.

Maka, if it's a lot more than socialogic, you know, pa. So, there's, but there's not a lot more than the way, and, actually, I'm just thinking, just don't, you know, thinking I, when I was five years ago, about the way of the thinker of people, it's, it's, it, is to,

to have to make sure. So, so much more than, slain, the bigotty the biggapal, he's just thinkeran

behavior change. How much how can't, I'm, more than, more than, things that should be

doing for for a perubhapu. And, number three is, um, more humble,

get, yeah, we're, we can't, we can't be peaches all- with regulation, we're we're going to

lintas, lintas kathlian, lintas sector, lintas expertise, and I'm, I'm trying to make collective impact and collective action this.

There, oh, there, you know, profession that's, you know, not there, BAS Indonesia's, but,

there, but, if I'm being, bick, you, yeah, perangue, rotong, got to be.

Now, this, I'm, too, like, like, about the other than the way. I'm sorry-hmm, like, about the-huh, because it's bang-a-bank-bent, with, what, what, Hukum, this is kren, but, after, it, it's plon-plot,

because, like, it's not-bis-cuh-hook-to-bred-diry, he has been-dampinging with many elements that, sopally, so, they can be able to be able to do-solution, that's-allus. That, that's-all-in-exam-in-ex-ex-cary, how do we find that balance? And what's what's the skill set is.

that's not great, ma'am. If I was a good-grac-backed, pa, if I was really, really, huck-m-law-law-law. It's about the time-linking, how it's making, how much merankay-some. Back-can,

Taddy, can, Pagita, many, many, mention, too, about, such as trend, in industry, it's just as much from fossil fuel,

that. In system-thinking, we'll belajured, that, without there's different, than there's different, that's different, so that's been making sure

that's why, there's even there's about, if you're, if we're looking from the industry extractive, people who are in in the industry extractive that make upputusant

that, how they're also to be able to make sure sure to make sure. Now, it's back to people, get-in-or-a-tom-orang,

If you know, if you know, if you know, if you know, the time for example, um, business that's like as a individual, how yeah,

how it's making he, um, pen again, you know, me, you know, maybe because, uh,

mara, because, because, because, he, not penged, the, misalas,

like, uh, at the end of the day, the day, not the day, not just because, but the other than the company has the other than but we're trying, individuals, individual in the system,

which is, he can't doggot, as a person, and, yeah, did beaer-cred-as-a-present, with processes their own to come back to the same, to come here, I'm going to be, that.

I'm not-to-you-ah, that's-a-oh-asurer. No, no, no, no, no, observation, say. I think I'm not-success. Success, I mean, can't be done by the naturalities carbon that can do you do not be done. Because, maybe,

some, the one that's the most of the same thing, there's just-dious-a-gast-a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-a-ha-a-ha-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. Yeah, what, it's a matter. But it's how much more than how much, right? Right, right? But in here, this, elitismaner, too, so that they can't beaughal

and mores more than, yeah, and yeah, more than to make sure and make sure solutions as a way, and in regulation, sub-bijointed, or even technology. But what this is this is hard, and this,

80-85% of population this is the world. This is the this is the paradoxes sustainability Marasies sustainability very much more than marasies modernization. So how do you know to be able to

make sure this way. Yeah. The second, if I'm just say, yeah, that's too silo. Yeah, because of it. So, you know, so you're not. So, you know, but what you're doing We've been very diverge.

From what we look at Jakarta, in Jawa. Yeah. Yeah, we're looking at out of the ground. Nighat the land yet. Not yet. Nied gendung, maybe more than 400 meters,

not be able to be. Yeah. Yeah. But, not like what you can't what you can't be in the publican in the in the Kalimantan. Now, it's too silo, yeah.

Ifa siloenia, it's a siloen that's different because of the good a good a bigot-hmm. Maybe the other than three, I think I, political culture. Bidda. If I'm not to be ambil sikap politic at the level of Ruma Tanger, of the other, school,

copacetan, provis, and allaning, not can, be able to get gotonged rotong, yeah,

yeah, yeah. Like, momentum is, actually, pa, to mottonging that,

yeah, we'll be going to all, yeah, so, so, so,

so, I'm, tegangue, so, I, the, the, the power dairirn't,

all the whole capital dairah, we're gander, Right. But, but, but I mean, but momentum is right. But I'm sure the momentum is past to before we're making sure

that's going to beaure kebjakan, too, like, you know. But before we're in portion of the policy commal formal, in the room-tangue

also is important. Exactly. The head of the part of theongue can't sikap. If, if you can't, you don't doang sampe.

If you can, you recycle. If you can't canem, whenam, if you can't even when you can't yeah, to school,

if you can, if you're in, yeah, don't know lighten lampu, we're, or work in the work on,

maybe we're working on the light of the day, but if we have been in the sun, or what.

Now, that, how, that's up, that's to, so, you,

I'm encouraging imperfection, so, pa, That's what I'm, what I'm-hmminging is, if we're not, if weasicaping this, I mean, the, I'm saying, is, the, I'm sure, bifficer, I'm sure, because, like, sustainable,

this is too much, like, so, sometimes, so. So, yeah, so. So, yeah, so. So, yeah. If you're not, I'm sorry. I mean, I, I, too, buchy, that's, like, like, like,

like my, like this, so... So, um, when we're like, like, people feel like people, people feel like we, that's

exercise rights our, as simple as rights individual, but, but at the time we're not having ecosystem that back around that,

maybe for exercising rights that as simple, yoblos, that's, too, too, too, kind,

to, want, to know, the, back, back to, the, back to,

the, I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm maybe maybe even more than, you know, if we can't, too, process this is more than our roots of our own country and roots of our own kind of really.

I have a lot more than, I'm sure, about one time that's start-up period panties, me, so, for make ganticle, because with pembalut, because it's one of the most of the most of the one that's one that's the most of the same thing, diapers, embalut.

Then then what's, because of the pastyanties, we're brainstorming and like, and the end-wing, the end up until, before there's pembalt. Exactly. It's turun-tem-urun from neney, nenna-n-sha.

I said, I mean, nana-sha-n-n-n-n-n-lis. It's a story about it, and, really, can, it's back-to-ac-ac-a-cabre. Balik to the culturean-in-a-old, and more-kenal, we're like, Yeah. Yeah, that's-themate-hmm,

that's-hmmed-hmm, that's-you-pocket-product, yeah, pa, yeah. But, I mean, concrete-product-unt-in-punit-a-punit-a-poh. Trenata, inspirations-daped, from erunot, buddha'i, if you're not even gawes-upus if you're like, abys operas. Sala'bun borkman beattur-tur-tur-t and dimacquaning while d'rebus.

So, maybe process this, if we're thinking always, oh, belajur-susiness, this bachan-buck-buck-a-lure. Referencey, from where-n-n-n-n-kren, like, kind of, like, yeah, that's-you-l-luck-it. It's also, it's cool, that's-cred, so. So, so. So, so, from the heart of the pastalau we're back. But, look, it's from the kacemata, this is the philosophy that we've brought to past life, like, yeah, because it's not influence from outside,

right? It's justro, ginget, what, what, baysa, panacek our kate, you know, gina, gina, gina, gina. Dool-dhut. Dullo, that, we're, uh, what, didsarcaircant. But, you, you know, maybe, perkechalian. Because, um, omongan of your own own in the room. Um, mongan-a-a-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-it. That's what you're about you're about. Gotting.

Beautinging of the tendang, bet you're going to look at anjink, get end up with the kank becha. You can't show you sympathy, empathy, maybe better what you're in what you're in school. Yeah. It's like how to be universalize behavior like that. Because if I'm in front of resolution to beapeutic to, behavior.

Right. So if we're going to beaumomy, like technology, like that, it's not, behavioral technology. Behavioral economics, behavioral,

whatever, well, behavior, this, I mean, I think, I think, I'm really,

political culture in the room tango. Right, from from from the circle that's the part of,

and I'm, I'm not, I'm, or, I'm, yeah, to look, to be,

just, of, the political ownership taking about carbon neutrality. In general? In general. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. And, I'm not doing transcissue, and, yeah, can. And I, I've been talked in fact that,

for the same to beaumably yeah, that's, you know, that's, you know, I'm going to be

thinking as well-of-you-you-you-you-cureen as well-y-moyang-it-you- Okay, eng-plaglap-lake, but the end-ugingingingingingingingingingingingingia, well, that's true. Right. Right, right. If we're going to take the predetatineatism or modernization, Indonesia and also India, it's, it's

It's 100-to-a-a-100-un to get electrification 5,000 to 6-6-1-hour per-hour per-a-hour per-a-a-a-a-a-old. Yeah, now, now, now. Nigeria, peru-200-300-tall. How many, make reconciliaceiase, which is this 27-year, which is 90-100-tallon. Carbon neutrality 2050. I mean, maybe,

I'm not-tall-hous philosophical or not, you, But right, but it's kind of the data that's out of the project that we've made, about when we can't make sure that everyone who's access to the electricity. It's with mechanism and system that's built now. But if I'm just around, yeah, to the area, the electric is to help. But in many places, there's, there's not a lot. Like that's like, but, uh, uh, uh, but it's justro,

but not-grain-a-kot-kot-can, but, you know, imaginations that pangue that's-huh, um, there's not, um, the wrong-as-a-ill-old, you know, he's wrong, like,

if, you're, like, about, about, yeah, like, yeah, no, that, he, he's, he, man,

he's, it's, it's, about solution-oriented, that, so that's not puna. So, he said, he's going to leapfrog just. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I'm going to stuck in here, you know, then I'm going to launchat to the solution-oriented for manusia, to be perpetuang time, like,

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, with, not there's any the importance to make up electrification, to be able to be sustainability.

As long as we can make-lasked, that's only, if we're about we'reabia, if we're going to Sharmu, if we're going to beaing just in the peru. Selambeer periolk or behavior

we're not content with the kind of to make anything to make suret under acceleration. Yeah, if we're going to. Yeah. But consumerism our consumerism we're

Whener, really, Ingebuck, in the box that's in a lot of because of everything, or the speed of, that's a quick-upacus, it's need to bea-ok-eac-a-eachy-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-old. So, if I'm going to go to Singapore,

yeah, beena-a-a-a-a-oh-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-m. Like Greta Thunberg. But if I look at Proustainer, Greta Thunberg, followers in Instagram maybe 20-a-Jute. Yeah. But I'm like...

300 million. That's kind of... From here I've got to be seen that consumerism of the world, it's not encirminant pulsar semestinia to...

Right. ...toe... ...toe... ...I... ...I... ...I... ...I... ...I...

...mal... is more extreme, if you're about about because of the same thing like to say, not to get to be there, but. But just as I'm thinking, you know, not? Tement, you know, that's not true.

That's true, that's true. They're not, they're not, they're not, perpick to Singapore to take a bussavit. They're not, they're not, to, yeah,

to, yeah, to make rice cooker. Yeah, the way, kind of traditional just. Yeah. Yeah, I'm okay,

okay, just, I live like that, but how much to make them to Jakarta or in the metropolis in the whole world, so they can't be able to be rankle

the way of life. And... And... ...that's traditional, but menujuvety. Apaka has been able to extreme, sir, sir, I mean, so,

so, so, so, if, now, the call-to-action is that people who are in Jakarta, heidla, like in the Sungue Utik.

It's, got, pat, got, that, not-bust-d-d-cob-bac-bac-bach. But, If you know, call to action is, at the Sunaukutik, it's just like,

the first of the world, like, like, what's like, that's, that's, that's, a lot of the, it's a lot of,

it's not, it's not, it's not, in Surabaya, or in Bandung. Now, the, on-same-same

with-sikuskut, that's, that's, that's, that's, enough, that's, of Indonesia, which is in Indonesia-Indonious-in,

mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's like, how? Emas, what, is, what, is, what, like, what, is it? Right, we're just-samehineas, cata-cucup,

tergantung, like the basis of bays'bapa-tad-taddy, can? If you call-to-action for friends'-tom in-cota, misal-y, okay, I'm just because I'ma I'm sure that's just and time'embourg for commute not too much longer.

But, but in there, I also make up a putusan in life and support people who live too up in places in other.

So, if I'm at least three, like, if I'm going to get you, so, where money is so, you, pa, you know,

that's the samebacob, yeah, buy, buy, buy and like, if you're not, if there's option, if you're like, we'lllac in life, yeah, we're shifting, like. Now, that's one.

The two, where energy I can't be curhackan, I'm gonna be in a person who's, that's just, I mean, I'm just, I'm just, I'mutusk, yeah, pa,

I, that's, I'm not able to, I'm sorry for the dayring, because I'm doing people's the time. Sore to the morning, I'm drafting contract for refinancing the company Batto-Bara, and I cannot, I mean, I not be able to, there, there a lot, so.

So, so, like, um, um, um, energy now that's currashkana, it's, to be sure if there's not, there's a carcould to be contributious, so that person is a way to the way that's more sustainable. And the third, if for, for the perspective of the people, you know, back to the time, like, yeah, like, I'm, yeah, I'm sure, that, yeah, I'm, like, yeah, uh, I'm, uh, My family's there's-a-adat-a-ad-ad-dard and tradition what,

which is-beauter modernization. If we'd talk in, what, what, the time talking about period pantis, now I've made a company that's or I'm buying period of panties, or I'm buying period of panties, so,

so, not romanticism of the last year, but to look this as scenario of the past the time. Now, perjalanenanan men-du-cucup as a person-cota-in-law-a-old-a-it-a-old. I'm still, that's stills, I'm getting up to be it's just-a-lawful-day-na-upon-a-half, before we've got a penimpin-bara-d-a-many.

I think-gap-mobro, I mean, I'd-ach-cac-mitra that can make reset and survey to get-jabon-in-in-a-goban-cult. Cucup-versy-a-bososososososos, like Jakarta, Dibunding can, d'est of the time-termenkship

like hushes and gambut and we can't be able to because I'm sure people back in Indonesia there's been quite much, but

people are being puttomuing so, so it's a solution that holistic. There's just people like you. Evenernernery.

How? Gampang-it-a-gapinging, I'm trying, kind of. What I mean? What? That's what? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If that's... If you're... If you're... Yeah.

But, yeah. But, yeah. But what... Butapapun, what you've got to do you have done, can... I still look at

this is incriminationalism. Mathealism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because... of the world's this.

This is quite it's the scale of the way. That's the same. It's still 35, 4, 40 gigaton perth. And that's not a tundle. And if I've got to beckon. And if I read lapar, lapar

carbon or what, that's consumption or the to beaqa to the time. Naiped to beacliens too flat. Because of demand for automotive,

can be able to be but demand from petro-chimia and aviation to make. Yeah, if we want to take mobile-listrik,

apapot-comia. If we're we're going to go to the speedy, apop-upon-you-a- if we're-to-neye-couldeat. If we're-you-moh-couldeat-a-pli-cli-a-cli-cli-cli-cli- motoristricting,

soot, yeah. So it's justa. Yeah, maybe we're gonna... We're gonna go ahead to the can'tar. Right. And if we're gonna becha, yeah,

it's not there's a light, yeah, right, right. Yeah, right. But, but... ...sulid if, with polusy that we're sacksic

in the area Jabotampe, but... ...belum had statement... Yeah. ...dary... ...d...

...d... ...that... ... ...that... or so much this, hey, this is this? I'm going to be like this. And that I've got to get,

waddo, this consumerism we're, it's too kental, terjebuck in a potak, that's kind of about what you have done in

what you're doing. And that's how much to it, to be able to? If it, if, you know, you, to

back again, yeah, paia, yeah, pa, yeah, yeah, and in Indonesia, yeah, per 20-pani. And,

2025, this, this, we're, so, we're going to be in where to

and that that's and that's not just repjep, the time the time that's the

people, We have a lot of... we have a time to... ...to make sure we can makeination Indonesia that we're in realistice as far as data, but also pragmatic to be mitigating and adaptation

crisis eclim for 20 years to be the next. Now, if we're doing, what we're saying, that's one of one exciting this is, menerjimakkan, the LTKL,

plajari, with member our only to 100-day-est-a-est-a-est-a-a-settiness, Although in Indonesia, in the Uppopathe, but inundk, but at least if we're looking at least, if we're looking at least abhoran ecosystem penting,

that's all right, it's hud, ecosystem penting, like, cars, and, like, there's about 79, dairah. That coverage is 80% from carbon stinker,

our carbon stinker, if we can, put in, Pendekatan, not only the pathway of the development that's current, but also,

to make upheum economy, we're going to how much kind of agamaheathe, so much better basis alam that in 100th, uh, in order to, it's one of one that we can't

be able to find out of course there's chantolation. Because when we're going to document perencanan jank long this, then all the power dayarer has been 20 years to depend

when he made perenchantaneum term, you know, uh, the end-in-eneguang-in-n-n-n-h. He has turned to strategy that is R. back again,

while even though, I'm like, yeah, it's just, yeah, but if in document that's not, yeah, we're gonna'est, yeah, we're gonna. So, pight of it,

it's up to, to, in the Mimpy Kiti our, 20 years to the past, that, I'm gonna say, I'm not even, that's the idea that I've got,

yeah, there's, I mean, there, that's really, to make make sure the fossil fuel industry this disappear. But if I want to talk about with with the people in the Caputant,

is okay, if it's disappear, if you don't be able to tambang, not be extractive, not be able to perkebunan-besar conventional, so we have got in. Now, alternative this actually, don't'bite deep-pickering

to make, because, because R&D, capacity technology, capacity innovation, our, to make things that's new that's the other than that's the same.

It's something that's not marathe. Sedangka, ragamon haiati that can beolah to be able to be ariot. So, if mymipi, I'm in mypike, and how this, so it's not just,

only anecdotal examples, is, if we can be think, the perforataan central economy, that, the tunded is, all the United the bestidatechaprocessing facility

for bioeconomy. So, really, that's the mimpiness, and it's, you know, part, spectrum of bioeconomy that, from we've been about things like the marketas'n't.

Latifference, you know, having trading house, which, so, so, if, from one the partan,

that, the gillarance, gillarance, it, then, then, just, just,

just, just, not even, not even, even, even when you know, about about, it's one,

as simple as as making trading house for commodities, but also, can be a certainerhan, can't, can't be mediate

that's the extracci and other, but also we can see, the way of industry carbon, to do,

to jagan, alam, so, sub-proping, that's super-degenergian that's more powerful. That's spectrums, but it's been obroleting in Indonesia to be long, actually, this is not something new. We've even even even even though dot-map-maping.

But this, like it's not too much the part of the main thing in the scenario of the next. Now, maybe the ajackannes justro to Pa Gita, to the friends of Pagita, this is that much more much access to innovation, to technology, to... to be how do we find funding for this, that's the point.

That's the back-neung-nec-noburn and, actually, not about men-cipak-an or dec-corn, but justro, if Paul Jarvis, is company of one. How can we create more entrepreneurs who

can't make make sense cuckup? Cucupness, that's, um, manusia and ambatashas of that's the way-hmm, but it's the same thing that's the same thing that's the much more than micro, so that's not too resilient if there's a crisis like

the pandemic. How can we're making backbone the, uh, so yeah, at least, to scale to scale, and more resilient, uh, setidant. And that's about because of the innovation innovation that's important, innovation that's, what,

the other than jasasah and more than centralistic, all value-addict in-bough to get-bough-bought-bara- and, and,

people, people, mudd, too, still, just, just, the money-as-a- commodity-as-a-

but they're even with bang-a, this, this, you know, product creation, from here, that,

and, you'reaum-harm-harmat than if I'maunt-cadent, like, that's in a lot of, in the context of realism, yeah, I'm not looking at neutrality carbon, yeah,

aggap-lap-laping per cent in the time 2030, it will be not be able to be reality. I'm more than to see,

the time 240, even 50%, 25% in the last, 2005%. I'm more than that's more than that's more than the solution. Yeah. Yeah. Now, what you're doing to do not yet.

But, more than the keypentinganning, or even social re-engineering, where you can't do with the Kepa-R-T, or Kepa, or Kvati, or Kepal-Desa, or what, to beaumpt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

the abysan, for thebriacan, the worldiaean, the humongingingingan, and and everything. At the end-ugging, yeah. If you're not technology

that can't help to make sure the emission, if there's technology that can't reforstation,

if not there technology that can make optimalking permal can't permalus and everything, yeah, not gampanglementalism

it's been it's just so that's right here. So, so, so how we're, so much, you know, so can't investasies, for the people who are still engineering, but also the real engineering. Yeah. If that's, technological, mechanical, and

everything. Yeah. Now, this I'm looking at a little, thisini, yeah. Social engineering here, I think it's just a lot, and I'm just a lot of people that are. But the real engineering is the real engineering, this is going to be dominated by the

country of the world of course. Now, I'm afraid that's if they're just, that we're doing a lot like that we're just as a manorima. Or, even, yeah, it's exposed to risk that we don't want to be exposed to the risk we that we can. It's aal-crapra. Yeah.

if it'somersomersenia, right? Yeah, right? Now, that's, if you're in front of meas, how can't be social re-engineering the society, so that they also adopting, yeah, right? Yeah. Pola life that can be able to depend on technological engineering.

And it's, like, yeah, I'm sure, in fact, in fact, because, I mean, why, I mean, I mean, I'm just-to-chreasing-facility, and, actually, they're able be work-cariah with what they've put in their backyard in their own-jave,

and technology is a aspect that's important, can, men't know, it's a lot of not. Now, I'm just gonna'est, I'm gonna think technology that, hampir-alue, like, engineer, this, d'ilhem from

language, you, pa, and, and, and, then, and, like, it's, like, it's, oh, this, yeah, you, yeah, but, but it's because, gina, but it's nothered,

I'murot, gurout, the other last, it's also being back to our roots, really, making technology that's good. This I'm giving example that we're

with extractsikas-igabus just, but, because, it's been-in-in-imed-in-imed-stim, we mean, we're-stimed, we mean-stimed, that's-tribun-it-lis-n-num, that's tradition.

Maybe, yeah. Maybe, yeah. Yeah, it's just. Oh, yeah, it's-old. Yeah, it's-old. So how... How do you... Technology...

...theirmahing... Yeah. So, the story is... Siak is... ...as one of the... ...cabotan... ...that... ...that...

it's one of the big, Paa. So, so on the time time muda that's the questional is how much the carer not beaacarant again. Then, yeah, if we're doing, barren, and one of the backeran that's the worst from the land gambut, which if from the shiopananer, more than if it's not a lot more than if you're,

because the api-n-the-gaping, if it's mott, they're smoldering. Emissinging more big back, So it's the focusing, yeah, yeah, how much how much gambut is, because if it's kind of because if it's been very badgered but if it's bad,

they're jaguant really, for the carbon sink. We're looking to three desa when people people who did see it, with people, with people,

people of the people people, people in shirk even with mitra, and brought to ha'lian technology, pa. So, Afteringhamer,

Um, um, um, Um, um, the time time in time to seepac, it's very normal, more than be able to be able as a,

uh, nalayan, uh, catamang, because there's many who, uh, um,

the other, um, the way of sunsumai and in the body of water, termasuk, there's, there's,

there many danow, um, um, um, the, um, the, like, eh, like, like, like, like we're like to make-a-molmeree,

uh, we're not, like, uh, not anya-niotan, but, you know, um, there's a story, uh, what, she's, like, oh, yeah, this, igas, me, that's, uh, I'macobus, that, from, that, from, from, from, from, that, from, uh, and, d'amom, uh, one-but, uh, but, it's-uh, uh, but, it's-uh, it's, it's, like, like, because

because of the like, like the like, many, like, many, like, many, like, yeah. And,

like, that's, one of the other one is, um, my time my,

um, my time, he's, he's, he's, he's, this, this,

this, he's, there, got to know, it's, so, it's, so,

One of the same-haporty, there's cell recovery, he can, um, how much, um, um, how much, um, it's, many,

the money, and people, it's, but the source-in- also, which is farang- from-the-i- and,

and it's, like in science, smack, in-mann-a- to, to, um, to,

one-sartive source of albumin that's-old-an- people-on- people, the world, because, more-d-d-d-l-l-

-r-re-l-re-l-re--l---sars-old, Right. So, from back again, to how much to the katechristan technology. Aftering, the technology that's tried in jambatine, making technology that can bekerjointed, with notabene, the restricts there's-battas,

but, but as far as the philosophy that, that people, that's not-Ikana, it's not-Ikani with rebuce. So,

so, actually, what did you do make with the men-temperature distillation. So, did distillation, really, right, right, right, right, because, because of course,

because it's just, because of course, it's just in Jakarta-Barath, disrenseng, and then, after that's out of liquid, it's been decrynged, jad, then, then, then, that's up to the capsule, or even, even be able to dole with bentucs from extracts. From the, pa, um, it's made from... Daguing Icann, because, can, be able to extract, dougingingia, still there.

And then, if we can't make it's high flour protein that's up to program program pengantassan stanting. It's been sold to binaraga, pa, to be able to be potten shaks. So, yeah? So, yeah. So, if we're gonna'u-a-lap-a-lap-a-laping.

If we're from a lot of... $1.00-1-Jutta. Even, ma'an, pa. Even, I mean, with one experiment this, that makes, if I'm sure, So that's so that emergence is actually when it's got to meet with the people who russing communities. This is certifications by the Leveragre.

It's been part of POM, it's, in 2001, we took competition in MIT. And this is menang, too, so one of the champion, first from out of Jawa, from Indonesia, what, which has been a... It's been... It's been patented, and everything.

...and, and, again. Yeah, now, this is what... we've got to talk about technology and advancement with public policy, yeah, sir, you know, what, uh, people, uh, that's-huh, uh, that's-huh, buyer-in-you-old, for product that's

off-taker, uh, janker-danker-dank, uh, to three countries, including in Indonesia. Yeah, which, the best-dunus, not Indonesia, already. So, like, so, more than, uh,

More than in the other than in the other? Yeah. Can you be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be? I'm like I'm still still in the process that's in Indonesia before we can't be able to be able to. But anyway, that's reality, that while we've already put technology advancement that, I think, it's, great-bago, yeah,

that's many permasalhanesawal and priginan that's a scientist, also that's not evening yeah, man, and maybe this is one of the same thing which can be a plumbung and other solutions that kind of economic alternative

what, what, the, that can be, or, like, be able to be able to being conventional, is, like-neousal, is, yeah?

Now, maybe just-ru, this is this, the, man, not just from the system we're, We have the S-Sdom-hmms, but also, the new-up-suping

infrastructure-sup, so that's-you-ad-certain-old-past-in-cure-old, it's-you-be-are-old-pac-old-old-old-be-ciping-cimpensation, people who can't make-it-coptivation to be work-a-l-l-bore-boh. And this, at least, it's-old-old-one-boh. So, if I'm in what I'm in

before we're in right after we're need to be able to and have been using with examples of concrete because like you're rata rata people

if not look not believe, so that's making just, what? What other? What other? What other?

If you're that in blackang, this is from, this is the example that we we've, we've, we've done,

it's done, this, Sumatra-Satat, one of the industry that's beenbeamble, sir, I also know, like, when to work

in LTCL, oh, industry gambir, that's what, so, but I'm just coming with a station and yeah. Yeah.

So, so, so, so, so, it's, it's also, the extract, that's also, the beauty

company, for, this, too, for, extract, for many, much,

um, formulasi, and, like, But the same one of the industry gambir is limbaugh is the if it's been put in the sunay, it's, they're making sure can't polusie too. Now, teman, tem a lot of the same can't use

the limbaugh that, that abys it's purify, sopahs because there's natural dye. So, this, this, the cleop-neapingia, with the limbaughifikas the way of purification. The way that's work from the university local in there,

and they're now like experiment how the kind of can't be developed like model such-cita, the kind of can't be sustainable,

as a part. It's very important because it's really pure, from the y'a-old-mubah, that's about 30-law, people who's the people, who's the people-be-be-be-law-law-law-law-khan.

So, talent in Indonesia, many many-buck-buck-to-me-lough-know-all-old-old. If the talent would come. They would come back to their hometown, and the answerbanying, and it's asked, and what you want? Why, why come-mow-bal. This is schooled.

So, like, the o'-jah, In Palembang, and then, back back again, I'm like, yeah, there's still be a new other

other than work in Jokja, or got to be able to work in Bandung, but they're coming, and then why

because, because it's something, I mean, I mean, the money the most part of the same,

too, and, I'm bangang in dairahing the area. But the two is, because there are

because there, so, they're not people, I'm not can't be able, I'm, yeah,

what, what? and what's interesting? And what I'm notary? Yeah, because I'm, why I'm not gonna'am, I'm gonna'n't I'm gonna'n't. Yeah, soll'all'n't, I, because they're not gonna'n't

not wanna, kind of, the spectrum of, generation, yeah, maybe, the generation of, maybe, the barce of that,

that's... factrum of the carean and, what, that's just to bejazzar too, At least from the dayarer, they're out, they're out,

there's a process, like, we're approach to parents, what, to the parents, to the, the, kind of,

it's great, he's, kind of, they're being data scientist, but, but, the,

the work, yeah, like, the, like, the yeah, but, that's,

too, yeah, the one, yeah, one, the, but, so,

because, because, because, because, it's, it's, it, it,

We've got to Tulawasi-Tenaglia, business and investment forum, business and investment forum for nature-based innovation. That's like the first time in Indonesia which, really, bena-da-a-a-da-a-a-a-a-a-a-fas-focally. So, we've made one day, presentation portfolio-nia. The day, it's like pre-visibility study,

but, it's de-emas, so it's delusur. So, yeah, if, even, you know, if it's just to be-re-fas-a-vis just. You can't get along along along locasiness. One of the one one's about it's been back

in the sluanganganii so if you're there's a time we're just to make to palu 20 minutes from the bandar that you've been

got to be 400 years 700 years which pohubb huts purba from time we from from our time

before merdeka back and that huts not too large large 8 hectar but he can be

for the bestidest, two dusen and several deserts that's around there. And, he's hangarangue, banjure the desa desa tersevut, because it's beena-bonged-topang with a pohoun. Makness, because it's, because it, that, that's not there's technology. But he is one of one bentang that's most benton that's most of bentoning the most effective, but to becaly

the banalangell technology. When it's got up, pa. Hurtan that. So, liquid flaxi and other than, other, hutan rancu, this, he's got to be able to get a little, people can be able to get into, and people can't be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be

try mitra, which, is the technology to inventory of the soapsed-you-chartis-tahed-tahed-chartis-tahed-chartes-tahed-chartes-a-chartes-a-chartes-a-cic-a-cac-cure. This is ter-inspiracy-a-lis-a-lap-lama, the program pohon-as-ohush. But, in-sit, we're just sadar, oh, ternata, with we're serious, work-hut-hut-hut-Ranjuri,

where we've been, something, that's just to beaqiselaire because of the time to make trip, actually making culinary too, we're going to ask Baheli

from Javara to look at, kirekir-kis that beolah from there to do whatever a product asly is what. It's also parallel,

can be bantu with, more to make-enel hutan rannjuri with how to puttank-in-jol-in-lain, so if you're not even back, like, maybe like,

like, maybe like ojerk, that's, be offset, to, um, to, um, to help protect the huttanky because, sometimes,

people think, the only thing we can do is, is nanom-baru. Uh-huh. Butahal, many, we're to,

we needunging that's still also. So, this, um, one exercise that I'm,

I'm not quite, to, hang-in-an- among-tom-d-d-d-l-Putusan, Pekaputas, Pekapalalosah in the Kootenal Besar, and the peopleomilic and

Pemboot technology, and then, if you're making, what, you know, work together, at the end of the day, it's, it's the same with the jury.

So, it's, it's, it's, it's, kind of jatucin'a bit, man, to be really honest, it's, the cuneune first I, and,

And, okay, okay, okay, I'm going to LTKL, too, because it's just, it's just it's, it's, it's not, it's not, you know, Phrase-in, you know, Pah, if, if it's back to philosophy, has from the, you know, the other-kechil. Maybe, what, what, um, to makeas-rass-rasa, and not all that, uh, that's inotak just, and has to be it's in a lot of the other. Because it's one thing that's not logical. That's a part of, yeah, the story. That's the way, yeah.

I'm not. I'm sorry, smat. But, yeah, back again, how much, so, incriminality-alism, this, is to be able to be able to be the scale that much more because, what, yeah? We're going to be it, you can't yeah, you know about it's about, you know, and you're saying, I think I'm saying,

that's people, I'm going to be able to be able to. But if we're looking, whatever you're going to beware media conventional or non-conventional, I think it's not too much with the same things that you want to say it. Yeah. Yeah.

And it, it can make sureminked so much what's de facto to be able to that's not even while you're not yet. I'm going to know, yeah, pa. And if there's there. And if you've been there political ownership taking,

you know, junkir back, like, gimapen to move back the rank of regulation at the level of the center and dairah. Yeah, maybe there. Yes.

But, then, the end-to-un-un-in-in-in-it-gimmonet for that's to be implementatis, that it's not can't be executions that we can't, if political ownership taking, it's not. I'm looking at,

such, I'm going to be, many can't be manpowering, so, there's room for improvement. I mean, like, but,

but, I'm, I'm singing high praises for you, yeah. No, no, no, but I'm, but,

but, it's, this, this, Yeah, if this is like, if you're like, partanies, this is that making me not be able to be able to. I mean, how much? How much?

How much? It's just something that everyone percay, right? Number one, today, R.P. But, there, at least, five barang, in, pa, in, pa, in the, in the pejacaquehazional now. That's, I think, if we can't docung it witherang, it's, it's, like, yeah, can be able to make sure,

to make sure in alternative economy that's one. I've been able to be able to be able to be able to bealt . It's a lot of people. It's not a bit of course. Agenreouc, two, that's like, that's like something that's about to over-lain. It's one. The second, the first, the instillation follow nap sync, where this is a commitment Indonesia

that's much being up. ...secal publication populist, if I'm seeing it, janginess did dorong with KLHK, but also did ducung lintas commensrian, you've done gawloed, about the same, and, like, and other. The other, this, this, this, more to a rararerlein-conventional, we're just workshop

about work shop about the last so on rencana action national clapasawit berkeletan which which is being done in the reason why

it's also very important for houturotum for houtum and moratorium for hotototototum swatn't really and sootorily

this is spectrum that menorot I can't be able to we can't because barang there that, pathwayingingot to intensification,

penitability, kesehatraan petanee, it's not something taboo, to be omonging. Because, yeah, even, if we're going toger scenario economy,

part-as-us-us-us-us-usual, it's still always be-perjured, that's-one. The fourth, gomonging about the perkemankan science and technology

that, that, that's, we're making brin, then, bring, roadmap. How, how it's is the sameaghths, to beharkagamon haiati,

to look at bioeconomy to see one of the key, it's really, and the fifth, which, I think I'm saying, very promising, is boss from all boss,

what, yeah, the area, that's actually, the reporter must to the Kementrean Dalembourg, because Kempentryan Dahlumnery

will be men'tuked Kinerja, and from Rewa Kinerja, and from-Nor-Berja, that, Now, how, how-houser-haping that's about how much sustainable this has been in-sustrable this,

the MENTRIANNANNEDAWRWA, and the harapiness now, now, it's not the way of the kind ofjar-rout-out-out-as-a-rout, that's not-heraping, it, I mean, I think, it's promising-b-b-a-old. So, how do we scale up? if we've got to beaure that's a story-based, parisemaking, ma'er,

how how much the way that's anecdotal, which is proof of concept, it can be connected with one instrument line that working at scale. Now, five things that,

that's actually we're there, there's three other fundamentals that's, which, which, which is,

penambung, everyone's the money money so on about government of the mainfestation investasies, the country last year yeah,

Kementryan Cooperation and UMKM because the penguraguergna because the menerer than the city because at the endosystem

that's encourage the whole thing the plan of the level where even actioning happened and that's the decampation and

desa, so betulner. So, at least if we've got to have the time, national this, then we're going to beaulitans the three kempentriam, like it's a lot more than

it's more than, you know, and we're not peru stuck in the pemakirance that, ah, not much, like, yeah, it, likeinginginging, but, but, justro, um, what,

um, what, how we've got, we've got to beaulstones who make-gues, that's, that's-and-harmes-that-hectar, that's-hac-hundred, that's-hundred, actually, after-nobrol, after-nobrol, after-nobrole, after-noburned,

the program-beysed with some-sat-as-as-as-lars, maybe, it's-mmonged, because not-muching, that's-tartic-tare-tare-could-incers-a-st-st-st-old-stus-a-cue-cue---lac-a-cue. And, maybe, And what's about, what? Maybe, maybe, maybe more people more than what, who's, see.

Because, maybe, stakeholders, it's with, kahliae each-mash-mash-mash-a-annibalism, you know, should have, you know, and make-kind-kind,

and what-in-pagion-pern-in-pment-in-pregion-in-purned the part-in-redu-las-n, now, what, people, just-ru, people who, am, semang-out to gawal process, and have-sabarant, and, I'm-pun-pun-pment,

and has beenitraintrater, neutral convener, so that's all the people who can't get-temned, instrument that's great-kern-in-in-in-in-in-i-vis-in-a-old, and, actually, skenari-nioninginges-in-en-sme-cannery-nure. From, from target, between. So, if, I'm... ...that-fragmatis, ma'-tom-a-sat-allan, that's...

...that-cuh-you-old-you-cuh-lucing, ma'-cuh-lucing, I was like I was about in 2007 that's the lawyer, that's the question of, that carbon is impen in where, get, like, to,

and then, it's, kind of, the questioner, I'm looking, channel, channel social media JNZ, that,

uh, uh, uh, about, you know, about, you, kind,

yeah, we're, we're all right, there, there's, there's, there, there's,

there, yeah, that, I mean, it, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, um, Carmon credit, to have, inputantle, is it enough? The reason is to be able to scale, or still very preliminary. If you're from the business model, the idea of Indonesia has one business, um, what, um, what,

yeah, pa, from, maybe two decades, business this, yeah, yeah, uh, primba macumacum, utama, the, a lot more, uh, yeah, so. So, but, but, but, And that's partitit, synergy, there's the sameergy between between business model, because

not can't be able to get it's in front, man, so, so much, uh, what, it's, uh,

but, but, it's sure, the way, and it's, there's not- there, and then,

it's got to be able, there'sactioning, there, so, right, and, yeah, now, what we're,

uh, we're now, we're notherstri-carbons'nest, that's the other than, if it's not that I'm saying, many, many theories that, I'm garis-can-it-industry carbon, it's must be industry transcissi, if, if you're just the way,

yeah, the person that's extractive, it's, it's, actually, it's, it's a business that, to bioeconomy, he's like, there's there's a period, he's puberty,

right, it's justing, this, it's gonna be able to be yeah, right, that's, period transition where he's

beingung, that's, but, but, but, but, that's, that's

back to the time, yeah, yeah, not, that's not, we're up,

to occur, only, the end, the end, the end, the end, and this period,

the period, the period, period, the period, period, If you... Renewability? Yeah, if we're not...

What I'm... ...knowing just spectrum of the bumines. Earth Overshoot Day, it's been left, but we're not there's time, if, if we're going to monging transcissi, so, lambat-lambat-near-necath-near-nigh-old-old-lust-you-lust-mulling-lust-lust-a-lust-lust-old-old-old-old-old-ppment-old-y-poh-lust-poh-pment-y-p... They're going to 2050, but if we're going to look at the

head-in-the-kevail, like, should be able to be less than 2045. Why? One, because capacity-bub-out-bunuched-bunuched, two, because the rencana-um-jank-pang-pang-tttack. So, at the time, we're going to be somewhere, you know. Activism, you're more than you're not in the Kulawan. Like Sumatra, Jawa, Papua, Nusatangara, and so. But in Kalimantan, Sulawesi.

That's because... It's because, because, can, why, I'm mutuskutankan to be really, turn to be able to LTKL, yeah, because the capital dairahsia. They're proactive, memangilanda. They're who making asosiation this, right?

So, why? Why? InSumatra, Papua, Jawa, Bali. Right, right. Right. Right. And, even from the all,

they've been to beaqataan their cuckold. Because he said, serious, serious, is, that's really and there's

there isosciation the government sub-Inty Abkati, that's all over people in people, Newspan,

no, no-te-Took-Took-in-a-Pan-Took-in-Took-in-Took. That's interesting L-TKL, Pauk, because when we're getting kawksk, ternet, there's dairah, dairah, di-a-a-a-a-lars-le-le-le-le-le-lemship-combecki, that's the waiting-list. So, there's waiting-list? There's a lot.

...ststylopalal, because it's due proofsame-angota. But because we've got... ...the-one-tom-the-founder it, mawonder, this is... ...it's a circle-keeked that... ...the-the-the-cug-of-concept... If that's a start-up, that's like,

but we need to have a spin-off that's about the area in the area our area our a lot. So, because, I'm talking, there's a lot of not. Many, pa,

who got-knit-not-minted process, and it's not-a-tot-tot-in-prosest to get-sat-a-staping-strategi and other-in-lain. So, it's, we're at a lot of it. Demand for the need-in-in-law-futuant-fusil-n-natured-old-old-old. So, afterk-Nam-K-Nam-Namination, P-T-T-Air-Lestari.

Managing director-in-as-a-onexed manager in unit business that actually managing director in P-T-I-T-in-P-T-in-Pet what? Facilitati and convening. So, back, if nymphsarer is

all the Bopatat-N-N-N-N-N-A-N-N-U-Pathletor that-Ban-A-B-Bentent-A-S-D-M-S-D-M-S-D-S-D-S-D-Sat-E, who has skill set, kind of sometimes, that's specific, that's real set, that's one. The second,

we also, we need to work access for program that maybe not as a program for the program for the country,

that's the year-in-lety- community-comer-n-bomb-e. Targeting is, in 2006, how much can't manage-in-a-luck-

dollars to 100-da-a-oh-a-oh- be commitment a lot of the commotities that's because there's a lot of because we're going okay we support,

the coalition economy and bumy so we can't put outreach to 100 areas, not only our members as a bigion of the coalition

that we're just we're just with Upkashi making program for 100 that, LTKL is one of the people,

total organization that's in agarackin there are 7 or 8 with with the country and and that's the way and that. And that's the way of spreading the message even bigger, you know, what interventioning to what I said.

I said to make BIMTEC, if, if, BASA, if, BASA, but, also, bifficing that's the way system thinking, you, Pa, I mean, I mean, not only only content, but also, I'm galley how this can be regarcan

as a way to try individual champions and, like, and, line, So, so, pa, if we're TKL, T-KL, it's just one, one secretariat just, then we have having a lot of,

total, from, from, there's a time for spin-off, spin-off, which makes ecosystem we're more bigger.

So, until 2030, it's, there's about eight ecosystems, ecosystem, spin-off, the other,

so, if I'm back to, I'm, that's about me time time people, it's about not with people

with skill set that's more more than just past, you know, to endamping transformation the area

to be less starry, that, you know? You've got, yeah, many people, people, people,

have been able much since you're interacting with them. Because, if I'm, because if I'm

, you know, you're not, you know, And you're not articulat And you're not But I'm concerned Isap to ombril They're talking about you?

Yeah. I'm going to be there to be a manned kawangana. Why? Mastly talk to our time. No, not. If they're mimpin thousands of thousands of, thousands of, jutsa-tenths.

That I've got to bea-bonding, to the depotally, the political cultured, that will be it. And what they're like that's like that's like that's. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

Yeah, right. Because they're also, you know, too, think of the realism in this. This is not as a matter as a virtue signaling just.

Yeah. Yeah, right, but, you mean business. It's a good, it's a good, tagging, yeah,

so. Yeah, right, so. If you're not, the leaders this articulate or not, and they're not or not, this is very interesting because from LTCL number one, leaders who have been given LTCL

that, maybe rata-Rata because they've got because they've got to know, they're going to be better than now, but then we're going to move to the same year, the two years first we're with with people in the Khabitania LTCL,

That we needers-dinas, in dynas and non-pemirintagest. Now, it's interesting because now, in the year-six, we're in-old-one, we're building, the cabupatene that maybe has a juror-biccara, you know, that's-a-sha-and-a-z,

that's only the power-da-a-a-a-a-cuh-cuh-larehs. Now, we can't useur-cicara and who-er-cene-could-lis-a-lis-a-old-lut-a-old-old-rout-and, and they're in the other than 13-15 dynas. And what, what, yeah, the abutability is, in the community? At each other.

Yeah, this. Yeah, this. Yeah, this is acceptability. The, part, sir, pa. If atopatilitariness, you know, it's just, right. Right, right. If we're not, like, if,

if, I mean, I mean, I'm saying, like, like, sustainability, blah, blah, blah, that, to the desa, can't, to the city. And it's like, see. That's what's what? Yeah, what's see? But it's, but it's not true. But now, it's not appreciative,

if now, if we're doing 20, we're doing with with some people, people are doing as, like, you can't be not being, you know, and then,

yeah, yeah, not-must, stuff, and then, the thing we're like we're like, we're like, that's justeroy,

the country, social-in-a-old, and, yeah, so, back, the, K,ke, L, T,K, K, K, K, King,

K, K, K, and it's a lot, And that's what's making, that's the people, that's the same thing that's the same. So, what we're seeing is, the power that's being given by the people. Sepate. It's a part of the sameer,

actually. Solusiness, it, already, all right, so much. I'm not quite worried. With the reality that in mancha, it's still many people, the mainpin.

Okay. At least, but, not gertie. about the other than right right right right right but right but if you're lucidity yeah too if you're like that's if you're in the area that you know what yeah participatory this is what you're making

what you're doing they're doing and acceptability's big it gives me hope yeah but but if we're not using that's right Like that, like, right right. Yeah, right. The matter. Yeah, right.

And, human. And, and ramah. And in the inkungan. Right. Yeah, who's like that's the meaning of this.

Like, it's simple. Cobra, if like, that's kind of, and the area, the area, we're in here,

the area, in all the world. Yeah. Wow. And, even in the gendarmeo just, I get,

like, one of the people, mimpin, the, that's not mud, I'm going to be like this. What's not just,

yeah, sir? I'm notarcy that's like, like, like, miscellarcia, pa, that's safe soil

that we're because if we know, that's not the thing, the thing, the thing, who's,

who's, who's, yeah, so, yeah, so, yeah, so,

yeah, so, yeah, so, so, yeah, so, so,

so, so, not-mooden, but not-hmming, but maybe, maybe they're just pussing, but, this, many of the climate, but this is a lot of the government, so if I'm being a big manned, this is what, this is what, you know, if we're notary that's making-winked, if I'm going to-sue-rush-a-bredity, I can't make sure that people can't, but at the same time, with a, I,

I'm put a strategy too much more than you yeah, maybe things simple like to be injaga land, may be that is the simple message

that has the simple message that has been the last from our this part of this is the second.

This is the kind of the time I'm thinking this is athok prananda, but this kind of not ad hoc

Now, this is it's related to endgame's. Right. You're more effective in the world or in the down. Um, bunkusan. Um, if I'm doing matter, that's the impact, set, you know, you know, uh, uh, uh, that's it, uh, I'm gonna be upon my head, but I'm happy, you, Pa. Right, right. Yeah. So, you've gotaqa got to come back.

So, you know, sir, Pankai Gotongroya. To be able to beaughan. The Rangay Gotongroya. Conviner. Yeah, if you're in a... Yeah, because... ...and why, because we're going to be...

...and it's musty-ne... ...and it's just being backy from DNA, our... ...bettut. And, I mean, if we look, theory theory in back the conwinner this, ...their... ...theirgottott...

...that it's... ...the ...that's... ...is... ...the ...the identity... ...theidentitititititititititit ...the... Cacilla, if you simplify, like to be gothung-rojong, that's. Now, I think that's, end-game.

I, too, enthant-n't-n-n-a-bizska, you know, making model where, who-gobrol that is allure the area of

Indonesia, and really, we're gaw-in-stratel-in in-stratagy. And so, but by the time, but the time I'm up to position that, then I have already proof of concept so that I'm not gomonging theory again.

I'll just go away just. There's 10 product. Product, this, did, do you know, by people that's like what? Yeah, the person that, melendunging how many hectare ecosystem, and it's being able to beerjointed how many people in the area,

Yeah, after that's that's gothap. Bapa'bapu, if you're not, yeah, I'm not-papa-a-pac-segut. With positioning like it, so long as long as in, it's more than,

because if the personat, we're in secretariat, if you're, if we're trying work other. We're always, we're like that. So,

so they're being responsible on the commitment their own their own so. So, so, and game is

maybe to be to say, I'm not know, in Indonesia, you know, you know, you can't be doing, you know, beyond Indonesia? What's the way? What's the way? Basinga.

I mean, I'm just, I'm seeing, because now we're going to parallel with other people, who's trying to do do not do with doing things like doing,

the modeler, there's a word, you know, predation, or landscape approach, but, but the pointinginging uphap, that's the way that's the game-as-a-laping that's the game-as-as-a-laping,

which is the way that we're menace-the-sas-dastar-rant-a-passok. It's we've got temen-tem-mitra in Latin America, in Africa, that's who is that's being redorong the same, that's the same, Backang, some of the ASEAN, also, but the other than in the other than areas in ASEAN, it's different, man, part, because it's noting from commodity what

that's the state in the country to be aghap as threat. If in Latin America, maybe more to cattle, in we're going to be a conventional, in the other, what, but, but,

essentially, same, how, how many gouton-royong, that's rockokin one and using using using the same-as-as-a-suffer to be a solution that's more impactful.

What's interesting, if I was juster in got-of-ro-royong, it's not-bole-ad-a-ha-ha... If we're... If we're... ...that-you-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-hout-sself-less. Yeah. Now, like it gotong formula

that justroar, it just to give us, to the depot. Because we're in there. Why are we motivated? Right. Why are we motivated to be part of the journey? So, so yeah, how can't make sure you know

how much can't make sure people are there for the long run, that's. Yeah, maybe PR you are, how to be goutonging-tankan, um, after the polusy in Jakarta to be able to be solosy can. This is, there,

there, right now, that's already that's not really that's really because it's important because of the people from the people RTRW,

that's actually they've got To be optimistic to... If I'm... I mean, it's just as far as... Not for the Jakarta.

Yeah, for Jakarta, yeah, for the endgamesing is upk, because we think perot, the government national make out-in-in-larking kind of

that's right now, that's right? to make them what is we trying to chase? What is it that we are trying to make them do? Apaka, miscelling, is,

please, all the PLTO that's up-asept-you- that's-kak-a- So, may be, let's be... Oh, be bullied.

Yeah, because, that, is, whether, more, the people, so, so people, so that's more aware, so that's not have to have used to have used to make, making, so, maybe, bag, bag, mask, masquer, gratis, too, can, so, um, maybe that's

what you're discussing is, as far as, as far as, aspect, uh, part oferererer as far aspectrum-can-a-huh, kirk-a-huh, uh, uh, uh, extreme, that's kind of, ag, ag, ag, realistice, but, but, you can't get-to-to-to-the-tue that's the time in the time in the time in the solution. For example, five times, I'm going to work in what, five years, I'm going to be able to-lawful.

But network in mitra-mitra-mitra-nial, many who are involved in gawal too. And they're not from the jarul legality. Cuma, this, who's still gendet, kind of can't bea-machar-samping-many-as-pac-a-old. that's there's It's about people who's been there's Really bad back really

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pollution, right, right, right, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a half half,

yeah, there's a other, or the present last time, or there's not to say, um, Maybe, if I'm like I'm like, for my friend, because I'm about you talking about the other than you,

so I'm going to be able to be in fact that, after this, all, that number one, don't talk about mimpy, for the last, because, um, because, um, uh, so, um, we're,

what, And katerkate our the ecosystem that's the same-ashtoning because it's just about while maybe be imaginative something that's bad-bid-bent so, don't talk

be imagination. But source of imagination for people who are in because it's too because, you know to hutsa, but you're too, cari-inspiration

from the alam, maybe it's justas too. Care-lah from the other, you and the same. What,

is, what, what is resonating with your heartiness in the part. And in the point in, not, it's not, it's not really,

it's just, but, but belajure melate the rest of it, so, that's actually, that's, that's,

we're going to, where, it's, maybe, maybe, three halter, the, where,

we're, we've got, to bea, where, carer we've brought, and, and,

and, and, we can't use our own in the the world that's the most to how much to make themimping the area and pemipin the government or even even to advocate-can things that you want to help with more active.

The third, actually, maybe more simple more simple, sir, I'm, can't work to always look and make-hargay jarring you, Jailaturamilat. So, the shulaturamilatimi is, Kuhcunccied, because

we're not, we're being much much, we're making keep a bit more, we can't be able to how much more how much more than being a solution

that's more powerful. If we're playing it just with that we're just with, we're doing with, yeah, maybe, Bap, I mean,

with, you know, with people, people, people, people, people, people, people,

kind of, like, like, Silaturah, we, we know, we can't know how much it's been back to the solution that we're trying, that's kind of, pa, if I'm, that's the way, um, that's still can't make sure, but it's more more than, um, the people in Indonesia this,

also, I'm not enough enough more meaningful, than, um, caseracan, that, uh, that'seracquat. that's like, that's right. Well crafted. Taked, I'm not sure, so as it's always, so as it. So, yeah. So, thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. Hi. My time, that's-Therani, the impinan secretariat from LTKL.

Thank you. This is an end game.