Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Gotong Royong untuk Tiga Nol Keberlanjutan Indonesia

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

Gita Wirjawan dan Tanah Sullivan bertukar pandangan mengenai arah ekonomi ‘berkelanjutan’ Indonesia dan bagaimana GoTo dan para mitranya (Denica Riadini-Flesch dari SukkhaCitta dan Gita Syahrani dari Lingkar Temu Kabupaten Lestari) berupaya mencapai Komitmen Tiga Nol pada tahun 2030—sebagai satu ekosistem. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #GoTo ------------------------ Lebih Dalam Mengenai Komitmen Keberlanjutan Tiga Nol GoTo: https://www.gotocompany.com/our-commitments Lengkapi Percakapan Ini dengan Bacaan Berikut: “Five Times Faster: Rethinking the Science, Economics, and Diplomacy of Climate Change” (2023) | “Entrepreneurial Marketing: Beyond Professionalism to Creativity, Leadership, and Sustainability” (2023) ------------------------ Risalah Episode Ini: https://sgpp.me/eps153notes ------------------------ Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: [e-mail] https://admissions.sgpp.ac.id https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: Daring Entrepreneurs | Wandering Scientists | The Take Kunjungi dan subscribe: SGPP Indonesia | Visinema Pictures

What we have to do from sustainability scalable for our ecosystem. Now, the balance is the balance between profit and purpose. And how we can make, make, make, a lot of positive,

that credible, meaningful, and measurable. If we can't be able, if we can't transparent with progress our, what do we do? There's not that's wrong from the wrong about that's about about it. The same is that's nother. So this notion of our, it's,

the notion of our own, and what we're taking care of. It's then, we're being part of the rhythm of the encarance this, then we can't want to becklenability. And when we've got to be able to, we're just a person,

so, a person. Right now, right, right now. the power, right, is the person who, in fact that, I mean, in the way, both manusia who's being developed technology and, manuelsia, memakai technology. So, so, maybe, um, that justro, Indonesia can be more serious,

that's justro, how much the way to, we're back to investation of the insufficiency. This is end. Hello, we're here we're going to get-dalenalphan. He is the head for the sustainability in GoTo. He'll also be the Dena Flesh as a founder and the pinpinanan for Sukkita and also Gita Sharani

asl the company secretariat for LTKL. We'll have about about Not only topic sustainability, but also the important how we can be able to keep in the tradition, how we can't depend on how we can make up productivity and how we can

make up and to make aeembanka and ecology, equity and economy. Thank you for GoTo. I'm going to beaumatimati. I'm going to start with Gita. The question is just a good Now, how how we're called how much we're called

between ecology, equity, and economy. In context what you've done done, and in context what what's the next thing, it's simple, but the answer not simple, yeah. So, then, this, you know,

not being the answer, right? But if, if we're doing, if at the LTCL, the day, Righty. Context is how much. how much more than what the area. Because in there, it's been a lot of peternic,

which is, right, the thing, the thing, the thing, mattering-in-being, to make make sense the environment, it's just to beacquare,

so that's not too mulled, so that's not too mulled, so, not too mulek, see-imbangan. Menemmunk-in-kind-it-it-eimbank. It's, is, you know,

you know, and as well, even like, about the matter of the matter of the matter. Now, permasalahannes, now, if you're in reality,

it's the sector, sector economy, where you're going to be, it's almost everything, it's just, if we're,

if we're going to make upankan perkebunan, that notabene that, there's, there's, there's,

there's, there can't, we're, we're, we're, we're, or kent gambut, that's Now,

and the same-being is to find out of the option that's not that. Maybe if we're start now, if, if, if, if, if, if you're going to head hat, sayan, patty-sawit,

maybe will, they're still be be able to beaubun-sawh, because that is the Rantai Pasok that's anawarker, he's, and to-pastien, just take on the

tanned it in the then there's some, there who's there who But if we'll the projection that is to build a company so there co-operation

that can't make-and-buck-calfe, where they can't get capatian pengassilance in-sac-routin, like the place Kadeenica,

did bichin agroforestry in the capubaten our up a partan we're also to look to look at concept agroforestry this,

where can't make sure he can't the same, same, the pecan-a-cubun or petan that there. So, if there's

one group that'spacat for the same, that's just to make sure they have to be helped the company of the company vanilani, yeah, got a capatian every two mingu.

Beas can get a pedopatant, there's working with good, trading house that's there's been working with buyer that's ethical and can give the price that's just, that's a ecosystem

to be born, has from hoologhliar, not just, just to get-inactivity the tannin'a-gat-a-gat-a-gat-a-cure-a. Or we're-n't-n't-a-cure-in-a-cure-in. But, in-baw-a-u-u-cure-in. So it's the topak, ma'apag,

what's the part, but we're going to be able to make, so that we can't be tracking, which is, if you're getting paid what, if you'rejacked, if it's working with a publicatine-hapotting-holic like this, as far, if from the data, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if you're not really,

not too much, but from the sumlaught that's just had poulousan this, at the more than 30% than 40% because, that's when we're back in conventional. So, if we're back in, so much, so much,

now, the answerbottes, now, I'm going to look, look, looker-forestry as one-a-saint-o-sue. Optimism,

you, how can be part-jewapen to make sure? In-re-re-re-re-re-upon-sha-in-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- ? Oh, if... ... ...dallel... for the world of the

Sootally, if we're from the optimist, we have always optimistic because we have to be able to get back and then, and, actually, optimism, it, maintain with how we're we're making can't comeanangang, that maybe

from the cacemata holistic Indonesia, or, but from the cacemata perjalanx, that's important to have mullsonson that's important to have put a perubhance that long. So, maybe I always say, we're realistic,

So, so that's just to where, we're going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be. Because the energy that we're outing, it's it's a attract energy that's same, if you're, Pa. Pasti, it's not with a manas, but if I'm still, if you're going to be able to bea, with Tanah, with Papa, so.

So, can, so, so, more than, that, that's just to be able to be it, but it's realistice, to, me, Okay. Who's who want to get to get me, Wow. Yeah, maybe. Well, maybe I'm going to say,

actually, can't you know, about conflict in the economy, ecology, and equity, that's, actually, that, it's from fact that that, that's now, that's been

to think we're this, this, this is actually, when it's, not, what we're doing we've got to Cicita,

we're actually, we're just to try to to makehubunking back. That's about about a object that we're tersento, like, there's aubu,

there, there, there, there, and there, that's, when we're talking to

back, and we're going to a person with the story this, in the journey,

in the , in the , sustainability that's the sustainability that's because we've got to make up with one object.

thinking that we're not only buy but we're hardgay effort and resource that the use of our resources that's beener in, if we're going to dolew, we'llong we're jade like, and this is actually not something radical. Because, so, the, I mean, we want to that we'll just like to buy-a-bajou, that's just like that. is living memory of the living memory of the

yeah. Yeah, because it's a lot of scale a bit more than it's a lot of it. Because, because we're rich ecosystem there are a few million consumers, merchants of us,

and what we can do what we can do from from the sustainability has to scaleable for the ecosystem of our. For the ecosystem of our the balance profit, because

we're still working to do, we're going to do, we're between profit and purpose. And how we can make, we still make a dampac positive that's credible, meaningful, and measurable. If we can't be itung, if we can't transparent with progress

we, what we have we have we have we have we're, what we're, what we're, focusing really, benerer how we can't, re-morrow, or replace operational expense for the company, to lewati, with, with the way that's, how we're using operational efficiency, how we can't make material that's to take the PTA or how much, and now we can dole-ulang work with together, but what's the ecosystem but what's the thing we're taking again. Same, the principle is still same, but it's better

just, and it's cost-effective. Because not, we can't make we can't create a something, or initiative, or whatever, that the money, which the money, or the consumer we can't. Because consumption in Indonesia is still price-sensitive, and it's not fairer to the same. So for us, we have resources,

we have ecosystem, we have platforming, yeah, we have have to try and try for a solution with every commitment we, that's 3-0, we have no limbic, no emiss, and no hambatan in the moment, every initiative that's about, that's the commitment that, that's the question of our time.

Maybe I'll talk about a little about how you're going to be making the number and the capayance is like how and if the capayance is to be ambung with aspirations institution or whatever,

how it's how much the if it's if it's if it's what's it's if it's aspiration, more than that's it's what's it's going to do with,

that's how to do you can't for the target of our target of our community that's a lot of emissions and no limbaugh, right? It's really quite because that we can make sure

the jejack emissin our each time. That framework from the world and international package, the standard international, That's very, black and white. No, no, no, no-bisca, what, that.

So, that's commitment our commitment of our, we'll be able to publish, so discourse to, to, the jade emissing of go-2, and the ways we've got to reduce the jac-emissioning we three-a-town. If it's lewet with motor-listric, because it's 90% deject-emisement of Go-2

from GoFour, from GoFAR, from go Right. Because of that, we've made target 100% in the electric ecosystem GoTU before the year 2030. So, we still can make sure and report. Lumpat. Not quite, but... I'll give you a little gambleran.

For the year 223 and 24, it's how much? Pungeranguant of how percent? For sure. It's so much. It's so. But there's But there's a acceleration, can?

Maybe. Maybe. There's an expectation of the time 2025, we've got to scaleing the accelerations more speed. Because, we're still building blocks for, because not not just for mitra-mitra

Bueh-Degg, transition to the electric. Not asegampang it. Because, until now, motor-listic just, there's premium, And what I said, and the the bad biopatiaeat not just really, not fair for them. Because that, we're working with

many manufacturers, beer there financing scheme or there product EV that quality and the price is past with what what they can buy now, from motor or mobile conventional. I want to try to cup as a bit. What is what's

what's up to to make sure you? capyantalist 2003-24 or even to move to 30? That's what we're we have to anticipation as a society plus.

Maybe because awareness not 100% from the cuspicent or maybe mitra-pemudi also. Why they're not target we're not target we're not target me.

It's, we're making PRNIA and making a system that's ready to make transition to motor or kendoaraan electric. So, until now, there's there's a lot of

initiatives. One, racing awareness. And education in general, not for mitra-penguidi just for consumer and also for mitra and sellers we. Because sellers

just the Tokopiida and in Gojerk and in all the ecosystem GoTo, almost $18.00. And majority of the UMKM. Yeah. Bener, really micro-SMs. Because that, we

also have to introduce a integration, a solution that's that's been tested from the two health, scalability and cost. we can't we can't introduce and muddhaundant

to make action and credible, and help us accelerate to the two-and-targetes coming. Because it's not even without them. I can't. I can't.

I can't. I mean, I understand the need to make sustainability so much more than status quo and everything. But at one of the city, I also think, I think, I think, internalization externalities that's

made from a sub-a-euroxernal it involves also the products that we buy. Now, this I'm not in discussion sustainability, a got too condong the focus that to emissy. We're to get net zero, but, actually, in the same business, when we're not even if it's like that's more than more than that's important, but it's the material footprint.

Yeah, that's right. At the end up here. It's, it's from somewhere. And now, this, material footprint that we're extracts from the BUMMI, it's two-cali-lipat,

more than what Bumi actually can handle. So, it's been to be itonged by scientists. then one-billion-tons, the world-present. Now, in this year, we've got hit 100. Wow. That's double the capacity of what the Earth can sustain, that's kind of, I think,

I'm not bicaracan enough. When we're just mrs. Not can't this, like, like, for example, in industry fashion, that's 70% of emissies a bagu. Datangue, that's from tier 1 and 2. That's from how material that did be taken. But, now, this, discussion is 0

to tier 3, 4. Yeah, it's how to jayet. He's ganty, boheming. Yeah, yeah. Ah, yeah, that's at the end up on the room, not gomonging the palm, like, this is the fulphoon in the room, that. This, this, it's all overpublication

that I've got to be it's one of the other one of the other than some of the years that's the point that's a plan for fossil to plato merata like this not to be able to be, there's, there,

there can be a turnerunan permitting fossil from automotive but there's there's penicatron from petro-chimia and, which, which two-fetrochimia,

that's the material footprint. Because if we're naik motor-listered, the emission carbon-nol, but whatever we can in motor-ne, that's petro-chimia all.

That's material, right? If we're in a vehicle, material also petro-chimia. That's what, I think, I'm that's interesting,

to we can't put a permitting, for materially. Now, from there, we're going to get up to the end uproletas carbon. Yeah, right?

And, I'm not too much with goal, neutrality. Because, I mean, I mean, now, we're all trying to be able to achieve zero impact, that's. It's, right, we're doing negative, to be zero,

because, right? Why not we try to make system so that's just to make sure. In the monusia. But it's just like, it's just like, but I mean, but I mean, what I said, I said,

sometimes, uh, better, yeah, if we think about that's gonna make sure that's gonna, it's just

just be be able to, but if you're gonna like material footprints, that's, it's, it's, it's, motivation in the

in the more than the because of the got into the potpmentia, the partying the way, it's, but maybe from the way of the way that, how can't be it, one, misaliener, okay, price-sensitive, but how much the way can't be aware also, because,

maybe this, may not want, no, has to bea-bebanked to consumer, so that consumer, maybe, can be more you, to be more than you,

when it's the way of the time carerat. And, it's function that be made can with public transport that's given by the government.

With, with the price that's affordable. I'm not, I'm not going to go to gauding. But, but, but,

I mean, it's, because, the, I'm going to people, people, because the public

transports, that's more than it's more than maybe it's not as a option, that's not even when we're gonna'clock oh, don't,

yeah, the world that is a world where everyone not want to buy a car, because he'd pay mobile electric, because at

the time he buy the two, it's that's been wasteful, yeah, because, because,

because, it's, it's, the, a rach not, it's just because, oh, oh, I don't want, this, I'm going to, sorry, mobile benzene, like, I'm going to make a car, like,

while it's been discussing again, the backer, yeah, the electric's from where, but, because, the electric this is associating with more than, be resuppable, lobe, but although,

they're in, while, they're in-a-d-d-a-lis-d-packe, that's-as-in-a-l-l-l-dil, that, where, where, after-ach, I-ach, in-git-in-l-l-it-n-snit-snit-sn't-p't-a-p... what's what's what's what's what's what's about what's about what's

about how much, so far as a lot, like, as a person, individual, me. And he also, more good, like, if, if there's a bit more thaneer, or kadaeca, or who's who, who's noton, you, where he also, so, okay, if I have had, okay, if I've got, I'm trying to make, I'm notaraping mindset,

the recoupan, this, must be in my institution, that. Maybe, I mean, I'm like that's the world, you know, I'm not even better better better better better than what we've got now. I'm going to tell you. How much what you're doing? It's tumbling with the pencapain.

Neutralitas carbon. That's how, you know, yeah? Nambung, not? And if, ma'among, yeah? Hasn't, yeah. I'm going to be able to be. Insightal.

Y'all, yeah. Because of it's not realisman's not, though. There's been realistice, I think to know what, we need we have more than we're doing. But in corridor your, but in the lower corridor you're that, that's problem you. You know, you know, in pipa in this, but there are pipa other, in the side of the right and right on the right,

that's like that's better than what you've got to do what you've got to do that's how to be relarska so that's a kind of consenshronan If I see see the pipa'nia to

from people, so, so. So, so, the first, in other means, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I, if I'm not go-blogue

with Denica, maybe not know the struggle if, if it's the entrepreneur, that consumer-facing, that's more than the premium but then the consumer's just loyal I don't know, though, perjalan like that, if not playing with the land,

so, because it's not having perspective from corporate-gide. Now, maybe percumption manusia-manusia or individual in the ecosystem, in the pipeline that's itself that we're ushacking really, Pa.

So, even we're the association of the people-the-cabstance, in all of the same, in whatever, in whatever we've got to make sure, just the perspective of the people are just people, we make sure that partners that are different, we're making, so, usually, if we're, let's know, if we're,

basically, we're making, before we're going to workshop, we're talking, try, in, in, uh, in, uh, the mejanae, there's, uh, there's, uh, had a perwarkilant of the people, the mitrainer, if there, if there, uh, uh, tuckererpemain. There's perwakiland or not.

There's perwakiland or not. So, diversity of each-mastain that, maybe that's the same time it's also, so, when it's made a plan, viscings can be more than than than the part of the power just. So, maybe, step one,

if, for me, how, for me, it's about it, to say, like this. So, you know, pa, pippa, and sek-tek-tut-n-a-pipa-and-sekat-nia. Yeah, muddum-modan, this is something that's more than people who are-buck. What I'm going to be able.

Angupe-la, you know, you know, have been a caseadarant and ketegasan to, eng-plagel-jail-kaki to the center, to not to do not work our. But, every time you're in-calf-a-calf-a-cac-cantor, it's, every day, the right-in-a-cary-cary-cary-cary-cli-mobil,

emmissing carbon. It, can, what, yeah, to make uptimism but system that you want to try to this is what I'm trying to try to know maybe you're both, what's the observation or the answer.

So, really, as a individual. Power that's the most power that's the same people, that there are two, as a consumer and as civilian. How do you? How?

How? what the people who's people who's the people who's the people people who are the market which we're making, barangue, product, product. so, so we always think,

really, bener, before, buy, before I need to buy a new while I'm going to mobile district, but the mobile the first did what in?

Before I buy a bagu, it's really, reflect the true cost, the impact of the money. Because if you're bachytoe, yeah, the price of premium, but it reflect, yeah. Bener, really reflect external.

Everything, that's been, thank you. Yeah, so maybe it's, so because... That's I'm not. That's what, Anna. I'm afraid that this, this, this is still as exclusive. not as inclusive

what we're like that's about what we're in fact that's about it. Yeah, right? Maybe we're making bagucuscita too only because of all right. How much? No, no, I'm going to simplify. But how, not just in the middle

on, we've got to make bagu, that's great and ramalinkungan, why, the other thing, still, too, to be trapped with something

that's very being something that you're still, this is actually luxury, this is privilege because we're going to be aware

I'm going to get there. Because that's going to end up the end uprogying how we can't make sure about it's a lot of justicant that's much and it's worth efficiency, productivity and the world. But maybe from the way, how much more than them buddhaicant, that's what? In fact, it's interesting, sir, sir, pa. Because, yeah,

the way of the way things that we do with every day, want to make a motor, want to buy what, that's there's a dampakia. That's why I, I really, I really, no such thing as a sustainable fashion. Because that's already I've got material footprint there's got different footprint that's the bestinering is absolutely one traceability

something that's made can't be able to slursure to where and the second that we've got to it's responsibility in the money now.

Now this I'm I'm here I'm in the part of the pipa that we said we're It's very, Producent to make sure of the cost

at no matter the cost the people or the planet so that he's hardgainable so that he can dolellan more than that. Tangerap, she's maybe just to be that just to buy the barang.

Step two, consumer. He buy, he's made, he's made, it's made, it's made made, he's been bosan, so he'd beguung. Stop.

Then there is really no such thing as a way. So I'm in the paper pipa pipa is siloed, responsibility is not be able to be a seimbabonged. And that's who really made mechipatting. Because from the first I said, the massacist, because that. Because now we're still now we're like being able to. Carbon emission we're,

so on. So, we're big a three, cap one, scope two, scope three. Coop 1 is what directly impacted by us. So like our CAC, I'm like a car, I'm gonna make mobile to this in-post-1. Cope 2 is,

all-hall-hand-direct. So, production of ourself is, obviously, in the desert. So, it's actually, it's really not the one-in-a-u-u-ibu-i-bunia, right, actually, but, it's-cob-1. So, we're-it-st,

so, scope 1, we-it-st, to-sop-2, we-tune, to scope 3, that's got to getp. and then, tocicinia p'aqaed up, after they've got to be able to be able to. That's three-tigua, this is now maybe terputus, yeah. So, we're like to be able to be itchopatiguanian

to, so that we have a full life cycle of responsibility. And, I'm really the Psi-sai perbate is when we're buying that, there's a tech it's. So, if we buy a can't, now, now, now, that's a nutrition tech, what if, if,

if we buy, there's a lot of theatine, full life cycle, responsibility, carbonia, better than from production, usage, to the end up, that the wordin of what, chemia that's what, it's upkech, and it's all these things, I'm not sure.

I want to push on this. you look atop's, it's more than the other than the apocinianne, even moreh, or more than more than the socialization buddhae. To use barang or product

that's more common-limbun. When I have a harga, this is always a discussion that's interesting, if I'm think, for me. Because, yeah, it's, now, definition, Sohally, it's actually, it's subjective. It's more than more for us, but more for people.

Now, we're not know, that's a one of the other than a part that can internalization the externalities that's because this is made. Explain that to the common people. I mean, if you're in the meja I'm assuming, I'm not.

Yeah, right. If they're, can, if they're going to get it, the important, the more, bros. Yeah. If you're, I'm going to buy, That that, that's, that's, that's

that's, I'm sure, I'm sure. But I'm not. But I'm not saying that's really, how it's up to be here, how, how the consumerism has been so that's so much to keep, and then to know how much morehness

and to know who who's the money to pay the value is the same thing. Like, like, like, let's make sure that's a bit of a bagu, that's material that's being used on a lot of, right, right? Now, at a time, we're

not paying pollution that's been made out of the watered, which ismary our, and, you know, the food, that's, that's, right? The second, we're not not paying defolestation that's that's from where when, if, if, if,

of our own of our own things like that's like that's tabahasan in terms of the system economy where we're focused to puttumuance and volume quantity to even to incentivize it we have to be inured with ourga we're actually to beabazzar that but only if we're taking back again to generation nanosy that,

So, the idea, that's now that's radical, sustainability, that's really that's really, that's normal, that's not normal, the capitalism, and consumerism as now,

that's right. I want to tell you because, because I was, because, because I was, I was, I'm just,

I'm having been practice-khan, so, so, this, after I'm being bimbingan, from people sound-gimbera.

So, so-re-re-re-re-re-re-in-in-in-in-in-re-re-re-in-re-re-in- to make kine to bea-haped. And before they're gaijuring, that's really, can bimble, yeah, pa, bimbingen balka, so, it's beeneran d'ajureen, that they're just about, why they focus on there.

I also, I just know, that's from the fashion, it's from the tally ganty, but the endangitas bansa, that's, really, the kine-na, want he, like, the old-the-cow-cow-pake mode of Europe, and, like, they,

there, there, there, there, blanguanguangu, now, he's going to beaimbingen berkine it. So, bethulingia, sustainable fashion is, yeah, this, this is from kacemata, that he said, you know,

you're from a sleigh kine, you know, you can't get back about what that's trend at that. Maw-l-grim-brok, can't be-if-you-lap-git-mau. Maw-the-the-tren-ramping,

can't be-a-cue, yeah, and, that's just, Yeah, yeah, yeah, what liberating it is? That's the same-cata, like, lemariness can be small, but with lemar that we can't... Optionaltying is... So, if it's-itung-itung-in-naut-ituner so...

If we buy a day, with a price, if, $50,000, and the bagu-neemannes, it's rusk, down the time, two-bulan, or luntur, and, like, and, like, if I, because, I'm... This is because, because I'm like, because I'm like, because if I'm a lot.

So, because of the same year or even two years'cally, but how much the way that's, it's with many different, because, after we're getting hitungan, while upon the only only one, they can't be used, if you can't, if you can, if you can,

actually, the concept that's being offered by this set up likea-in this. So, if we're talking about, that's the other than other than that's about again, because we've been back again, because we've beena seen trend, how how much the sustainable fashion this,

make sure can't make sure, with models and flexible. So, if you look, post-dinger necadena, he, the baguio that's made from, from, to, from, the money, to the water, to the water, to be used, like that's righty-that-a-hurtain, yeah. Oh, I'm right, like, right, but I'm not. Maybe caos that's,

it's, the, that's made right. But maybe, maybe the kind of like that more than more than more than more than more than people who can relate. If you're just two-one-upac-a-half-a-pac-ta-tare

or three-a-pac-trait, what, do you, to buy 200 or 300-a-tigued. And that's, that we call cost-per-wear. So I'm not the price tag, but cost-per-ware is how far. Yeah, for the quote this, I use the endgame, I'm going to take-man-man,

it's like to make up. Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, right. So, every month, I think, minimum, three-cali. This is it's just a half-ta-ta-tawn. So, really, if it's worth, so, it's just it's about it. Basingenning can't fashion

that's used to beaughan, used to be able to be able to. But, but, can, entry price that is the barrier, the obstacle that's the most of, let's say, the math is. Because, can, what we want is really, a movement, right?

And scalability. And, for achieve it, that, yeah, that's a lot more people who's and maybe there-nickahsendary that can't that's actually that can't do that, but 5,000

but... But 5,000 model like a lucid, business that's like such-cita. If at Tokoppedia, yeah, how we can't how much. Now, we can't buy baby-stap's in, because internally just, it's got-tankinged many-bagnan because,

because, all business KPIs, business targets. So, we're not just class every case. we're not that's really beneficial. Now, baby's step, we're making category of the topopedia-hijew. This is to buy by Tokopedia-i-Jew. No, no, no. But, but...

Not serious. Yeah. ...mullied with core community, mitra-usaha, which have been able to be able to work-linkungan, or making, you've done-lug-lug-out-with-a-old, or where. But then, then, and we're just from there,

and we're just for the guidelines for Microwusaha'uropedia, so they're also in-dalen, while if they're sustainable business or not, product is sustainable or not, there's some practices that they can adoptive, beer operations more than the environment or how much. the baby steps just, this is really, rocket science. And

it's still leaving memory of how how can't use one product several times, let's the true cost value value is, just. Maybe, maybe premise is this, consumerism, to create with products product that's ramahingungan,

it's very correlates with, if I'm not necessarily two things. One, right-asitist, right-and-a-can. And, can't-it-a-vis. If it's-a-bis. If it's-a-sure, it's-all-laping-jav-a-court, it's-d-lap-a-cuh-qualitas. Yeah, right?

The second, if, we're-n't-we-weeat-recenting, to be able to increase-eas-a-fisiency, or even productivity-as. Yeah, right? I-res, I don't, I'm not as-cawatir-tard-tard-a-old-a-a-be, which is more about about it's more than about it's more than more than the other than the other than it's more than the way that's

seconder. The first we can't make sure we can't we can't make sure how externalities that you've done, you can be jolassin and cost-perwaren't be chelassin, yeah, you know,

the elasticity of the grega-dain-y-dick-a-lety-allie-you-go-cary-go-cary-cary-courn. Yeah, I can't, apal-lady I can't-o-lure. Now, the other-like-designate-notes-noting how we can't even to the product of the product-sing can do with efficiency and productivity

that's more than more than that. That's just, and it can can be very mungung-can for the community in the future day. How? That's a little bit. That's a good,

that's a part-eer, can't be garab, that's right? I think that's about what I'm talking about that's about what I'm talking about, so, it's the thinking, so, that, industry that has been able to

not only the producer, it's, it's, it's, so let's say, angusurant, yeah, just don't like it, yeah, so that's gonna be it has a financial instrument, that's right,

that's back, we're, we're, we're, that this, wearier than if we're moreh than we're moreh. Beto. And we can't answer.

And then we can't work upon. And then, if we're doing the next day can't produce the barang of this with a biaya that's more end up. Tetap, with the caraman lingquan. Yeah, right. But maybe even externalities that's now, I know, Ka, yeah.

Maybe metaphoria, you know, you know, you're going to walk to the country, every day, look, look, maybe you know, because of the carpent. But if bestok, there mode of transport that's ramahlinguanganganganganguang,

and it's very, what, yeah, day-belin-ne-ne-na-it-it-all-up. Nimbled with things like that. Yeah, it's more long, can be able to be able to be able, if, if they're not going to beuling-a-lanking-a-luck, maybe, he's using-a-lanking-a-can.

Yeah, that's about too system, but, because I'm I'm sure, I'm in Jakarta, if they're in Japan, they're just on the way, or if they're going to walkie, because the airtight, then, after it, not there's... So, I mean, it's...

So, I mean, it's a problem, so... But if, if, like, today, price sensitivity, yeah, that, if I'm... Yeah, that, if I, see, it's like that's about it's about it's about it's about it's with externality that's now, to be able to be able to be able to from the syserling of huts,

so, so that's not as much that that's that's that's that's because he's just with not have had to have a fabric, uh, not have to have, because all petanipas that's,

it's designed, so they're being made up with agroforestry, so much, so it's, so much, so. Not that's why I'm going to tell you, Tom. Yeah.

But we're not really... Yeah, so we're really... From zero, we're really... ...to make sure... ...that's actually... ...wereigning, like, Yibu, to put on... ...warky-allam, like, and... ...and, this one of the other one...

...that's... ...that's one of what we're just about. ...that we're using caravan local that's ...that we've got to golly again... ...and we've got to golly again. ...and we've got to bea-you-allek... ...and we've got to bea-the-the-the-cis-a-cis-oh-oh-ststststim... And if we're about it's about it's about it's about it's about it.

I'm like, I'm going to be a solution to, that's all right? Now, this is about what's the right now what's this is here, and now we're trying to have

again trying to hangam to all this so to comealy, so that. So, what I'm, that's the

system that, that's aboutabbaltasant to think we've got to look what's what's the thing that's the whole more good for the world and also, the kestrableaic, that's technology, yeah? Chainsaw, what is it, what's the name?

What's the term? Gergaj. That's technology. Yeah, it's the more than it's making efficiency. From the dulun, maybe, he's not a day just one is one, but because because now three, supply now, the price is turn. So, for the person petani is this same amount of income,

the endapotting the same amount of income, he has to make more than a lot more, that's more than that. The question is, is, product. Is it? That's right. We're saying, we're saying, we're saying, we're nothersting,

we're going to be able to mucle, thence, thence, thence, but thenceau as usual, so there's magic technology that's like, oh, the net zero. I think that's what's justa, what is what is to corbankan even when we've got to look

to back, to the acar our, to the budaia, that's, solution that we're trying, I believe, is there. The question is, is, is, I'm going to hear. I'm going to go to the

inneria of the technology. This is still to stop. Yeah, can? We just we're doa, be itchior, aggare technology that

this is this is being important to to keep the community. I think we can't

stop, this. This is this phenomena that's a global. there's there's there in the area, in Sulawesi-torned-anyahuas that operasies, that's, there.

The cutuwholesome tradition is there manifestly in the way of them to bejeworthy technology that, one, not nambung with buddaya, two, not gnaum-in-jambuble with economics, three, not-nambuangue with the way of their to make suremahing. Yeah, right? Now, we're not we're not we're not overawakoucan

we're up tootu tradition of the same of we're not teragued interdisrupting by the people who not mubhacken chastraan yeah, right?

That's narrasiness, but I feel like to be able to be realistice yeah. I juster look at prospect to the is how much more than like you're in the way

like you're in that's in the way that you're doing, in titic titic that's or in the titic titic back. Same too with we. Same with you, same with you and all right.

I think it's, I don't know if for me for me, yeah, technology is always being part of the life of the time.

Um, Now, now, technology is not yet from the world. There's not yet yet. Now, justro, bentang-ter-quot, from how much technology is, manusiness, if, I'm not sure, both man who mnemang-can technologuing,

while people who are making technology. So, so, maybe, um, that justro, Indonesia can be more serious, that, you know, that's justro, how it's,

we're going to, back to investation of the It's just human's skill to make sure, but how much he's just a person who's in biased, he's not biased, at the time he's making technology, he's able from the sissy,

how this can't be applicatical can even be in place that energy-renad because not in-one-smobile there-listricting. How, at the time, even, say, chainsaw, so, yeah, yeah, because there, there's sissy

Arifan, he's just they're just because of the time that's not banjured yeah, just the potonged just the manusinesses'n, in myruthu, and maybe the perjalan Indonesia justro we can focus in more than. Same as like Japan now and the same like before

the other people are like done, manusiness be equipped, so technology not backfire, but more empower, that. Maybe that's if I'm, yeah. Okay, okay, we're about something more fundamental STM.

How much, in front of you? For the same. For the same. I mean, for the... I'm going to give you I can give you a statistic a little, yeah. For SDM in Indonesia

more much, I still believe they're more about about stem. But, also they also but they're more about social science but if I look at book that's beenjamb

in the perpustaka national in Indonesia, it's topic that the topic that's more than the book of course 32%. Hucum, 32%. Economy, 32%.

Sedancon, it's just 0.5%. I'm not and notarong but I'm notarong because of the samebanger now from there

we can't be able to make up our our kids, our own, our own, and the contertarikinan, and kentruman

to belajure STEM that's that's quite and that's the first the second the two,

the statistic is if we look the LULUS S-3 at the LEMU STM in

the the American-Ira-Ira, from Indonesia, that's the number of the number of the United, South Korea, 1,000-an, Turkey-400-an. Indonesia, it's just 82. Stigar, in the world of STEM, and Ghana, from Africa, that's in a hundred. Now, if that's not, we're sikaping,

It's difficult to we can't We can't even more than we're not Or, or how long. To be able to be able to keep a curamahinguant to the future. So, really, that's the challenge that's the most for us. Because if we're looking solution that, not just in tech,

but technology and innovation to be able to make advanced materials that's that's more than the world and also has scalable for the media usheraqa. It's a lot gaping and that we don't want to import solution

or talent from outside. Because transfering too, so how can we can't try solutions with resources, with sumber local. And, until

now, we've worked with a startup-a-a-a-sat-a-sat-sat-sat-schnology, but companies still, UMK-M, local, to bea-sigrisis the solution to the ecosystem and platform our, but, yeah, still has got gaping. Now, this result of several decades, yeah, But about about it's about because of the education,

not investasing to motivating the kids muda, be it to beer their own to learn STEM. Because there, the jalulness for them. And, the problem is, not, not can't

have one technology that will be help us all, but, but it's much, has been much, that solution. So, so,

so for us, if we're work with startup from out of the world, there's transfer. They're not sure to work in the ecosystem we, with mitra, our, and,

also, transfer knowledge to beer mitrainer is empowered to integration solution, but also, be able to iterate or in shape, bier,

that's really, sootocic to make. Because, setyap operations are better. Setiap value chain of their better. And because,

that's not because of it's just for the product's you know what's going to find out. You're not, that's not, that's, who, we're giving premium to pediggan? Apocke, it's at home, at school, in,

the country, in institution social, in al-arison, or, like, or, like, gumpul with them, that, that premium that's what's to be able to the big up

not like what we can we're sacksica in China in Asia I always know in two countries which they're they're bullet

to, they're they're bullet from the top 20% lulussan Korea Southan top 5% lulusan

from the demag of the Pendingan Tingi and that's too, with a gaij that's just b, and that's about, they're not,

they're making sure, the A, B, C, D, they're milling guru. Because compensationsations all but this is a profession that's really, and status social is also great kind of education.

It's right. It's not, I mean, it's also, I'm notherutely about what we've been the thing, right, we're saying, like, we're we're using

what's important. Yeah, but But now because we're about about about about about abasance, focusing that's about and pertumbuance, we're making sure, that's more than the same, the city,

but even in the city, but even in the city, but even in the community, that's, how much I'm going to say to be it too, that's like, honestly, how things we're doing this, there's a lot of the work on.

But, But now, incentive the pastarned how much how much we're not we can,

we can't, because this ecosystem systematic kind of I'm I'm I'm

I'm gonna ask I'm yeah, I'm yeah, I'm I'm gonna answer, so yeah, let's

there, there, there, there, if if, if, but,

yeah, what, what, what, what I'm, what I'm, At leastedon, what we've got that's the same

if we're the same to private school, then the assumption quality of education is more school, because there's many schools favorite and gurue-gurrowning but it's not, but it's good-gru-gur-gur-y-compencers with good, that's because they're dedicated

just, right, right? Now, what makes me-oldeat-old, this is just one facta-a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. What? Um, um, So, he's one of the people he's up too he's really long as to

he's going to be back, and he's rumban, and that's group good, from Indonesia who's, to help to

make upank can curiculum in so, they're, could, I'm going to come back to come back

to that, oh yeah, so on the all out, so. And that's the school in the school, all out, when it's stillsame, the government of the arrahings, the government nationala got,

private sector that's upympang, so, emmang, they're working together together with the quality of school that, which is, that's actually, they're having gurus from the world,

to help in, you know, to be pandang serious. So, I see, more to the risk, if we, if we're not investation in system this, means, people are people are dedicated,

that's more good-gru-degated that's not, this is under-appreciated and there are options not to help that more systemic, like, more than the it's-nitching that

but I'm going to know in order to do. This is right. This is a monologue, we know, ma'am. We're not, but... We're still. I'm sorry.

I say, that's the top 20th percentile. that's a 1stahunth of the 1stetal 1st5-tawn ajaran. If a guru that's the bottom, yeah, he, in a 1stahun just can't gnazar, this is impiris. And we're exposed with the latter, not the former, unfortunately,

and that, if it's, if I think, I think that's, if I look, if I look atopra like they're not they're not they're not democratization guru. So they're not

too badduli, guru this will live in Ethiopia with passport English, more life in Banyuang with passport Indonesia, to live in Russia with passport Montenegro

as long he he had won't Nobel or he were qualifications he, he undang. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if there's still,

they're under the United States, right, and they're not, they've been able to bea-sysw. Yeah. The important, he's paid pajack. He's paid pagic that good, they'd give passport. Yeah, right?

So, they're, they're so very pragmatism. And, and I'm looking pragmatism that been marra in a cuterbukaan. Now, I'm looking, Indonesia, to be able to do you know what

a lot of the people that's like Singapore, that bullet, more than democratization talent, especially at level of guru. Now, that's what we said,

this is the end uping, this can't be the thinking we're going to capitalism. We've got with capitalism because this

this is a existence we're as democracy. Democeration, that's kind with liberalism. Liberalism with the people's about to democatismacism

about whatever, termasicant, upon model. I'm not there's a problem with it. So, it's moren. It's just to access by allurent.

But if it's shermine in the senjangan that's more mingka, ratio coefficient genia that's going to make it,

it's, I mean, there's there can't be the unhinging up on the long-angue that's about the way to beaungung capitalism that's the mustiness. Now, in the formusan capitalism, this, there's an insure labor,

there's uninsur model. But if if the model, it, not can't be accessed by allureness, laborer not be accessed by the whole thing, technologically not be accessed by allure allure, yeah, yeah, product-maring, barang and jasa,

or barang-a-jasa, that's-as-a-law-mark-kir, yeah, right? Now, this, yeah, if we're going to bea-capitalism, we have to bea-and-and-a-cest-mobos-a-tecest-tecology, access to labor,

it's inclusive, yeah, can. This is not socialism, if I'm not, this utah, this is allot-ne. sootuh. Now, how much, if you know, about about

money our money around percent, Singapore is 211 percent. Singapore is 21 percent.

America, America, and the Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam. Yeah, if you're

not, so it's because there's many many with the capacity to get along with long-hmm. This is, palak, too, pal. This is, pal.

Because, now, it's as a can-a-can-a-can in the startup, we can, we can, we've got to spend-panding-brap, that's at least punding, that, right? Yeah. Lucchunia, that, we, same-as-a-one,

we're, same-as-like-like-and-like, so we're not-lucous. How? I'm like that's beingonged. That's not. But I'm like that's. But I'm going to be. But we're trying to be able to be able to.

But trap. Boot trap, we're still today, it's really, yeah, from business. So, we're not. So, consumers, we know that they make the part of the perubhance this, this, the same way,

this is the Degrode this isa this isa this isa maybe because they're not even greek but it's a hard life like to mannawomeni about these true cause, which is, which is where everyone gnatains me, this one's where? In this, some of the time this, some of the people say,

all right, it's just, it's just, it's just, or that's like that's fine, that's the tarcuhane that's in the but from there's it, but I think that's the thing that's important, we're as a part of the purpose we're what, I'm not-n't-sukes-kita, it's nothering a yearn't-a-sucing that's-a-cita-un-u-cita,

we're being, we're just, and, in-nrews, and, I think I, the same of the world that's the same up to make sure. like we're from the same to comebue. Tumbu is natural, when it's true-tru-an, we're panglery to conquer.

But, economy we're still-out, everyone's going to be through-sus. No, no, no. Not no matter, no. And we're in-battuck-suitousan-sec. And we've been chipped down a lot of for we're for us,

than we're just, capitalism. B'bless. There's who you want to join. That's right. But as a bigot. But as as a champion sustainability

is, we're like entrepreneurs, right in the countrymen, or in the company like Gouto. I'm looking at entrepreneurship in its pure sense that's always

survive despite despite the greater that's the greater forces that's often called the government. You know, you've got made uptick can

that you can survive despite, not because. So, you know, you've got success to bootstrap of the other

there's the same a lot of d'aacques there 5,000 there 5,000, there 5,000, that's just, if I'm thinking people like you're the purest in a certain sense so,

it's badang but yeah, that's, but yeah, but I mean, if you were, I mean, if I said, if I'm going about democratization

of, I mean, I mean, not just model, but talent, talent, like, like that's like that's like that's like by the same yeah. Wow, fiphe because Arisa, yeah. So, um, so, um, what? Um, so, um, what?

Democratization, you know, pa. So, yeah. So, if I'm, uh, entrepreneur like Denika, like, yeah, not raguerg, ragged, really big il-moo, see, actually. Am entrepreneur other, because, maybe motivations the day-nika is, make make more than more than, yeah, because he can't, Klee-kutri-k, right? Right, right?

Right, right, not just Right, right, but it's already, too, maybe, I know, I know, yeah, I'm not know, I'm gonna'am back,

I mean, yeah, yeah, if, like, it's trade secret, and how company operate, that,

it's something that keep, but if I'm seeing, it's, some of the people, I'm more than you're more than I'm like that's

I'm more than paradoxal is democraticization information, this is not nimbung with democratization ide. I'm more important. I'm, I'm more than democratization

idea. Because idea is more more than information. Yeah, right? But problem is, this is that's really that's powerization percapable

is, is, not yet yet numberstation information, justro, butaularization ida. Yeah, right? Now, this is what, what, yeah, to be discount in percapapan,

discursus, or even building, in many countries. So, so it's how, when we democratization information, it's,

it's, it's, yeah, solution oriented, that we're giving idea. Right. Right.

Yeah. But, from go to, there's idea from idea of the idea of the undercutta, that's a lot of people in plosok, it's, it's, it's, can copy-sukes, succour, and he's been doing about

succor-degesita, but he can't emulation idynes. Beto. To emulation, executions idea. Ah, yeah. Yes. Yes. Amen, amen.

We're going to be able to be able to Bapah. I'm sorry for all right. So, I'm all right. So, I think I'm very took, too, too, to talk, like, to,

and then, there are... ...andah ...and, they're, they're on asteris from to make-esha

to-a-demo-a-suc-cita. Because I'm not-en-game. Wow. In-sit-took, then, and then, so, when we're going to be

And that's right, then I'm really, I'm really, I'm really terahue about he's not badju in the that's more. The more than

before lebaran, all of the time down to give by the cost of 90, 90% and I think it's that's morebousa because he tapar with the idea

this, melooing what you've been doing. So, maybe what we have we're talking about

from the HACC and different from different, yeah, because it's from the Sumatra, I'm from there's from there's been to sit there Durian. When we're still in the Turin, then I'm going to hear of the hudan, then I'm going to be so, I'm going to be inspired because what?

So, the, he's come up to be the the most of the highest or the the one or the way, or the way, that, he's tumbled to, together, with, with the ponds, and with the hushon, other, for some of them are for the same as well as well as much as well as I'm learning, that's now, this is the mindset that's always like

what we're doing. So, the other, we're just to make it that we're all one of a lotok and what we're doing even even if we're it's really,

it's the other like, like this, in the meja-keal there, There's a lot of a bitarer. Rindang, right? Yeah, I'm putuk.

Yeah, like the pookin. There's a popo, that's. Literally, it's. Tanah, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah, yeah, like, there's like, Cita, that's the point

from here, there's, what I'm gonna. What, Pollynator, bro. Rumput. Rumput. Rumpot.

Rumpot. Yeah, it's, role it's like pollinator, where he It's just about themangang-and-it-sumvanguant. And it's, can, the sustainability that's the same-gulmonary, is when we can't get a semblance.

We talked about in the pen-diccan, yeah, I'm sure we need to be more good group, that we're good. But we need to be able to bea-buck-a-oh-you-all-a-lure-a-oh. That's-al-a-lac-lac-a-lac-lac-a-old. That's-a-lac-lac-a-cita, there's not there's like,

innovation, like, how, how, how, how much, that's, that's, that's, that. Justro, we're doing again, Bu, this, too, this, all the way,

it's like that, if we, want, not? The bough not, come just, just, and then, then,

then, then, maybe, he's , then, just who, might, yeah, that's, some of the

mother, human element of the day of the day's so that you can't even if you're making up again okay, right, I'm gonna do you. Same with me, I have, I have, I have a son-a-older-go-ride, and driver go-car.

So I know, from them, from my, from my son-ra-shaer-sha, the peda-patan-one what, the tant-man of what, that's it every day, that's 100% of the from there. So that's making me motivation.

If we're talking about sustainability, not just like in the human beings, but also human, and yeah, well, even mitra penudi, not a career one, go two, but they're mitra, and we're still have to take on the job for them. Apakka, whether they

the is enough if they can't every day or pay for the other so that's really motivation is every while we're

putting but it's yeah so yeah no there, no there,

there, like you, even if we're having even, yeah, yeah, not, yeah,

there's, there, there, of the other, I'm going to bringangue, so, because of platform like Gotu, yeah, what, yeah, so, like, yeah, fissing it's more than one,

that's also, it's really, to be an education, massif. If, if, that's from Katanah, this I'm, I'm thinking of it as as, I'm reflexic-it-in-it-a-you-beguner,

like, reflectic-up, if, makes, it, to, to mehaping my behavior as a lot of people. I'm like, I'mapeuticcoulde like, likeing it's

carajinan getip, it's made you make make sense like a consumer that's like what, and then get into, oh, t'erat you, you're getting,

to be it. So, as a consumer, we're, using platform like that's part that's being part of, it's,

it's perlaken, so, asarly, there's an ingotin' get-h, oh, oh, how you're like that's like this, how you're going to be a carter to be like this. And if I'm sorry with Paa Gita, that's even, even,

can't make sure-again-that-tank, because, if the platformer temputcheer hudan that's far away from there as far as location for offset carbon, and it's, and it's, kind, made the world that's kind of the other kind of in the Kaluasit Tengah, in

it's just get get, because platform that massive like this. So, maybe, if you've had already so good, like, Kada Nika, it's also, it's also be educations like,

platform like this because it's more powerful, than if you if you're people who's justa-l-do-in or suca-d-d-do-a-d-l-git-do-a-m, maybe that's sitting on,

on, like that tochopedia that's about, but I'm just, but but it's, but whener, you know, when you're like, okay, finally, and then how are you guys going to navigate this? Trenata, making SOP, and that I appreciate, not like, from, like, from, like, from, and then,

but, really, there's mechanism of curation. At the same mechanism of curation, you also, you can, to be able to circle, that, and, I'm even making work for that. I'm having, I'm having to talk about too with the team Tocadia Higawed

like, now what you're the tractioning more than the city market, from city consumer because it's not even

not much, but what's there. So, so there's effort also that's the company

like Gautu that maybe can be perquate with platform like NGM that's to the kind of

I'm sure. I'm, okay, I want to jump point this for the topic

for how political ownership taking by generation of the people more than we can't. And we can't even think of our own activity, like, activism. You know, you know, you and I, to some extent, this is for the importance how we can't make sure how we can't move on curamaharan to beholder plurcation alam.

But I'm not yet can't, if it's Nanty-and-and-now-that-second, that's-pac-you-pac-can, that's how, how, you know, for the young-ud-to-de-pane, it's going to bellowed to dimension or domain that, if they're, if, if, you're going to make-a-bidgen-kebi-a-law-a-lawy-lawy-lawy-lawy-law. they're much and shooksukes and that's just to give up to make up. What we plus is that we can't.

I mean, we're going to be, we're going to be, we're realistic, that in the world, if we're doing policy makers, or politicians, if you're going to issue, issues, on climate change, or perubhance,

I'm not sure they're not. But I'm not sure. But I'm more optimistic, if the other than the other than the other than that, it's more than that's more than that, and they're going to move to runa that. But that's not a time to be it up. Actions are from here, right, from it.

It's right, from us. It's right. Yeah, we're going to be. Yeah, we're doing. Justru, I want to endang activism that you've have done, this is going to be blotorin with a way that more ball of salge.

That's just. I have one's about amends. But that's funny. Afu's just, we're under. Yeah, but we're, but we're, because,

because, this, this, after Abby, right, can, just, can't make

a platform, namaining who, um, which we, we mean, we're, like,

LTKL, KM, that, full support with platform that, because, because,

that I'm about what I'm about, about it's democracy, apac, it's, is,

is, that's like, it's like, like, ah, but if it's like a lot, too, uh, but if it's been made, it's something more much more than, then people can be more than, maybe, you know, can't get. So, yeah.

So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah, it's, can't, the platform, where in the platform it, it's, like, what platform in the backangue is like what, abys it, after that's

track record like how, that, it's, kind of, from the people, volunteer who bantue, yeah. And, I, I'm not, so long has like that platform

that's like that's up my own research. What's up? What's Up? Indonesia, because it's also, you know, democratization, artisipation, and memmahmy politic for, even cluster that's ever been to ask bicarer, which is English speaking, you know, people, people jacel, or maybe in Jakarta,

but who's really, that's actually, But if it's better than the political circle, maybe more than the people from the siak, in the sultang, but, but they're in the same thing, they're not beseclude, you know, what other than the gossiping. And this, make an account that

after that's quite naikna, because it's great, this, the cerug this, and it's, and it's, soya, the language also as well as the language that's using a day-hmm. Now, maybe process that's like, I think-hmm

about how much more more people, or, probably, not-tacute, de-telibat and memomacomacombe, what's going on in the system is, the democratization art from political system itself, so, it's not too, kind of menacut-can, what, did bimbing, like, bahasana, and, I think-norsan-you-? And, I think-lust, there's

there, there's just thing-policy, biblis, there's Generasimil politic, there. There's there's there. There's people who, there's here. Gimanaerangu, yeah, if I'm just, I'm just, I'm getting to circle that, sopary that what we've swarrakan, this, not silo too. At the time they talk about resaderned participation in politics, we're also, eh, I'm bantuin' yeah, if I'm about being able to becheggain abencanan, and

other than we can collapse, or people who's gothurted in dairah, go, go ahead, get to, in the time, in our own this I'm looking at, if you look at it, if you look at the palcada 2020, you know, traction that's up to,

what, because there are many platforms platform like this, when it comes to political party, that's another story, just, but, probably if people more aware what's going on

and want to be participatory, But I'm notheritization, access, like to make sure. I'm going to imagine, which I've been about you, political culture. In the realm of, like,

in school, like, in santaen, like, in greeja, like, in synagogue, like,

in anypun, the that's that's coming with what what we have done to do what we're

for the important, the importance, the importance of the economy, redistribusity, and so how much that'shavened, how much that's great-because-because, because if it's already

that I've been rancol what I've said said, we can survive and thrive despite, not because. Now, bonus is because. Yeah, right? Now, that because-noes, if people who are and has been bidigued and marangul the political that's been in the

community social and other than then, like, and then. Then, then, they're going to move to domain policy or domain politic at the level of the area or even in the pusat. Wow. Yambung, too. How much?

I see. Go ahead. Go ahead, go. Go to 7th, Gawpat. Yeah, can be able to beckoning. There's a lot of it. Maybe even though we're evener, we're about it's the first,

now that we're puttus, so we're just to look like, like, when we're looking at that we're being part of ecosystem, not we can't be atas or we can control the alam, but we're just

back from there. I think that's the first, when we're starting to talk about it, so that I'm doing we have a pass is, ternata,

our part of the time. The start of everything. What I'm what I'm learning from to panace with the tariff, not for kututu, and ginnia, this is the nilay-nilay

that's-a-macharact other generations to be back-and-gut-with-and-a-dreli-d where they're not, is a lot of the other than that's not that's notherly we're notherly we're not that's wrong from we're making-mobile. The wrong is that we're taking more than what

that is a lot of we can't. So this notion of, we're being from the alam and what we can't we can't, that's then we're being being from rhythm-lingarant this then we can't sustainability, just sustainability,

just like to use than more than more than. We're just going to just want to be talking about, we're just going to just want to be, when we're going to be the mindset that, the way, that, the way that when we've got to be able to, we're from a consumer, so a person.

So, even, things like what we buy here, it becomes an act of voting. We don't know what we're 24, every day we can vote for the kind of world that we want to live in. The kind of leaders we want. Exactly.

The kind of businesses that we want to see thrive. Right? So, we're actually, the same thing we're saying, that's the person. That's not, but I think, but, I think, awareness, be the body we're making,

nothing, what we're what, what what we're about what we're about what we're making, you know, maybe not everyone can't get it power as a siter.

Yeah, not sadder. Yeah, I'm not sadder. So that you also do you have to do, right? Empowerment, all citizenry. As a individual even, there action

that's little, even, even, but, collective- if we think that's one, I'm thinking of the ecosystem that's a lot, or community that's more than, the impact that, wow, is heabat-bate-bate. We're doing a show show,

where we're just looking at a small, like a badgut. And I, I, kind of, I kind of, I'm introvert, so, like, like, at the o'em-gum-gum-a-mong-a-warned, I like that's like, the other than they're like, they're through the exhibition, then I'm notting,

how they can, this is a one of a discussion. When it's a man who is megang, oh, this is it like, what's it from a start of a conversation. Now, that's what we really, we're really, we need, we need,

it's now, mannamb, to the other, with one with other than with the other than with one with one. I think that's notherly not out of us who want to exploitatize other than but because we're not too, it's not so.

Yeah, it's like that. Yeah, it's like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. And, if I look, the benalmer of you,

that's in the name and the same or the same thing, that's it, that's, that's, it's, yeah, But but but that's not enough. the world is that's actually, while even in business class, there's class

There's class. There's a pilot like that. There's pilot like. But, there's class in ataf, that. It's human nature. Yeah. humanitur, back again, I'm like, I'm like,

maybe this is not a critical mass, but I'm in front of course, yeah, from the way, the way, it's more than much, the fact, because, like, so, so, I mean, things,

things, things, justro, justro, just so, that's something, it's, because,

at the end of the day, um, maybe we're, um, yeah, don't think, Don't live ribot, but if it's kind of but if it's kind of cool, you know,

what's like, why, see, pen-pennan to first-class, like, maybe, not pengen, we think, like, well, social status, it's like, wow, social status, it's like, now, that we're gonna give, this, what,

but, but I mean, if, if, if, but, if, if, but, that's the profession guru, it's did did give us the profession that the most in the Muka Bucan, because,

we have to pay for more better, it's not that's it's going to be perjewaned. Maybe, maybe there's the more than the status social

that's up. So, I mean, we're in, we mean, in the table and our and we're

that's, maybe than five people, one one that one that's people do it is that we can popular-upilers that's what's that's that's cool, that's that's that you're going to beaumonging, yeah,

like postingan you, like, but the bodyaom. Not just, but devalue too. If I'm, if I'm going to be guru, I value with sociality, with if I'm in me, if I'm in-you, if I'm in-cita, this is value. Terus, terus-terus-tru-san. Yeah, because, since now, because, because, you know, why Instagram is important,

Why is selfie if I did business class or first class? Why that's important? Because that's one of one indicator that's the time now. Right, that's... Social currency. Yeah, that's... But it's not even the part of political culture

that there now, which is giving premy. To an upay to make sensationalization, popularization like-fes and this, I've been I've beenpacalizingly

that the anchorer's this is, the penit, tombal, retweet, right, top-like. On 2009,

right. Yeah, that, if, I mean, it's not, not, to be able to to get an intellectualization. Yeah,

and more for sensationalization, popularization, and festivalization. But, So I'm going to try to be topic of the profession that's the critical thinking very reward

and paradoxically critical thinking it's maybe not nimbung with the penitain our own to make upcution or to makebacquing or to beaacuationary because critical thinking is evolutionary yeah, right? Now, that How much?

One, one, for the culture critical thinking is more massive in Indonesia because it encourage

intellectualization but the two, it can be padu with good, with

the great, with the important to make the important. How much? Kata

originality. That's, that's the reason for thinking, we're going to be one

one of one one's one one, one one, one, But in that there's but there's a word origin, where it's betulalien,

it's been given us the question from the joban that I'm about you've asked taken, where, where, like, like, once again, who's doing on Sukkita, that's not one that we're doing, that's new. All that, we just-and-cary-like-to-belackang. Because I'm just-just-ru, the job that we're trying for the next-de-upon, it's just there-ad-a-da. Just we need a ecosystem

to beaimbang-in-kinded-being in the world now. So, in there, we're really, we're going to be identity, I think, sometimes,

we're, we're always going to get out, like, like, definition success that is, when people

like photo our, or when people to give us people, if we're making us, if we're making, we're making, we're trying,

and, the matter, that's, we're going to be, about, But I'm not only being political culture in the unit in myruth I, more than more than it,

actually, unit private. We know, we're doing, that's what? Wow. Wow. And,

when we've been that, we're going to, we're going to about legacy, that's, that's, that's,

that's, to leave all that I'm to make sure that's not too much about the world abstract, I'm not talk about fashion, about craft, that, that's, that's, that's

that I'm gonna'n't know that's I'm gonna'nigual to can't a legacy. And, the topic this is, many people, because the legacy is like something that's

something that's great, and can't be by some people just, From the journey of Psyta, from the Phaalcan Sufacita, I've learned that's the legacy that is from the opinion we that's the same.

Because it will define what's what's important for us, what we're having to be. And when we've got to know it, I don't know who's not going to let's people. People want arousy to you, but it's not important to you, why can't be it. We're going to be able to do. We're just. We're just we're just. And we're what we're not what we're doing the world. Not only

only for enriching ourselves, that we're doing. There's also there's also a good thing. Because if I didn't know, I think about, I thinkerin, actually, the year's last, in December, in GoTo, we've got to, we've got, making driver

credit scoring system, baru. We're working with IFC from World Bank. so that's really, in the principle incuit, that's the same in the different there's more than 200,000 drivers that now can access financial product from bank bank in Indonesia that before didn't be accessed.

And product, product, it's non-preditori, it's already on screen. Now, if I think, 200,000 drivers, maybe it's been a lot of, yeah. But if we're like to talk about we're talking about, or if we're talking about what? Because we want to know, if they're about uptake of this,

or what's what, or what's going to do for what? It's important for us, to be it's going to be able to be able to financial hardship like what, and I can, because I can,

because I can, can, to the mucka'n't, the face, the driver that we're going to very much, why are we, purpose of what?

What legacy of Goetto is, what, what's shareholder value doong, or value for all stakeholders'n't? Because we can't value financial metrics now, you can't survive in this world anymore. It's more than that. So, so we're using, soability, so it's the indicator, so that's the indicator, and, like, and the other. it's same, so much,

with, indicator, misclair, that. Miscayance. Many of the other have been used ghanut to that. But it's more than what am I?

Who am I? Who am I? People are. This is, if I'm going to be about, sometimes, I'm a philosophical. Yeah. I, see,

just true, the topic, topic like that but I'm not going to be out of corridor, But but if, But if I'm going to be pertain again. But I'm going to try commentarine it. This I've got said how many times

the decendrungan manusia. This is part of 8 million people who live in planet this. The cedrungan our to makecuncult the kinkinian. Kekinian,

this is because Netsos. Netsos, to, must can we have we're communicating only one and that's one.

That is that correlates with kinkan. And, the end up we're still 107 million menosia.

We're not communicating with 107 million this. This is a certain kind of I say about

because we putus a million or kind of the kind of the kind of to beckxed or trebucked

with kikinian because we're communicating only with 8 million. Now, this I'm canjured

for ad more much they're more than they're more than they're more than from the last few million people before we. The story, is, if I think, implacationally, for how we're going to make a way we'll come back to the question.

Right. Benar, if, if, like, berangat from, really, really, mongali, who we're and to look at it, not as something that's not as a lot, but, just right, like, gawlo, me, Aang, you know, I mean, the whole thing, is about about about people,

we're going to do you know about about it's like, but back to the last time you're saying, maybe one of the same that I'm talking about when I'm going to talk about time I school before was, and it's not a matter that

I'm not making it made I'm not like, that's really from the class, because it's because of the political cultured like that. Right. Right. Well, maybe, can, if we're going to talk in what can't do you're going to do now,

some of the more of the more I, Denica, Katana, this is, it's going to be in a ecosystem, where people have to do you know, if we're going to be able to-dozerer, that's going to, Yeah, yeah, that's like, that's okay, that's right. Because if not, it's not authoritarian just, just, justeratarian just, although, maybe we're thinking, we're gonna, but if we're not

men's not gonna'nobuqan culture, in there, if you're not gonna'n't know, if that's, like, ah, you're not-gerti, you, that's that, that's what, that's that's, that's that in a reach, like that, but, also, in the ecosystem of the world, that's too that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a good thing.

If I saw, I don't know what's the bu supellie, that's, even like lyrical twinkle-twinkle little star, how I wonder what you are, I wonder, that's, that's, that's always,

that's always, yeah, that's, kind of what, yeah, that's what, that, encouragement that's like that,

that's like, that's encouraged in massive, I'm like I'm like, can't we're making like comment that end game, this is true just about, that's the effect of suggestion,

there's a spottetka partain, that's, right? That's not. But but, but, but, but, it's just, it's just, where,

when, when, when, it's, I'm, it's abysa, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm,

because I'm, I think that's up against us, there's a person that's really, want to ask, when, if we're really, that's being asked, that is incentivizing critical thinking. So, I mean, it's just like that.

If, I mean, that's like that, that's about, that's be budedayak can, what, in the reach of our but if, if, if, like,

and, like, , nankat that was, Hadanika, she's has happened gendum too, sometimes, we thinkerner, yeah, that's system

is system in the guseland, but although, actually, system, to, yeah, our own, and we,

in the unit, it's, unit, that, the, unit, misalya, work on a

worker in the same, it's system, then, then, kind of, kind of, the,

the, kind of, the, the, part- layer system in, when I've got to develop, I'merer

I'mererer where we're in culture where we're up being able to be able to be able like, it's such as a lot of workiaan, padahal, we're not human, like, with our own, so, and vice versa.

Now, maybe the same thing, that's alling bergubunan, that's, that's also, do-bantooin, how much the time that's in-chartes with mass-de-D-M-Sd-DM, that's still, it's like, it's like, it's this is there's the way,

to see what's the same thing, and not be partanking, and he's trying to know-it-it-a-during and he's-a-en-enali-sejarrahae, and he's trying to galeigh-spiritualism from the worldagerness, it's totally relevant for the perkemangan he in STEM,

that's, really, how much it's it, actually, it's kind of, that's like, if from, from what, from what, And like, like, like, how many people who's like, how much the way that's success, but, but I think I, what we're doing to do,

I'm really, I'm just to work just trying to make a problem, I'm trying to see, that's right, that's not, that's, that's what I'm, that's a person,

that, we're just, we're only trying to and we're applying critical thinking in there to, to, and to try solutions, But really, that's really that's really is that's the time that we're always

simple and muddha. So, we're just malice becky-gird, that's that's what I'm talking about. Contagability, that's I always, I like to ask people, oh, I think you're like, I'm not saying, and I'm saying, that's right, that's

saying, well, that's just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be. You know, man, you know what's gonna from where. But even, sustainable, that's just, no, there's no, the definition of my Gita, we're gonna'a, we're gonna'a, we're gonna'a,

but now, everyone's using a lot of the way without we even though what actually what, we're gonna'n't even though, we're gonna'emudhackan. We're gonna'nobonging sustainability. Now, everyone's people are monging net zero,

ming emmissing, gomonging offset, but we're, Now, scientists, we've got to know what we've got to be a bit. And seven-batus this, all kinds of

all overhugugn, and when, one, it's, it's, it will be, be dampak to the batas and later,

when it's been the chain reaction that we've got to know. So, so, the one of one of one

batas it's, there's, or cargameran highati. 80% from the To beapeuticits, it's because of de-reaction, material extracts, material footprint, from our society.

That's de-exhaxraxed for, yeah, but, can, all these are complex. And when we don't make-sacred-kind-kind-in-susual-complexed and not-mudged dis-sulosecical, we're not-hullisican, we're not a lot of solutions we're trying. This is a lot of the last time. This is quite a lot of time. But here, but here,

but I'm going to ask, the keypentingan for the young in Indonesia to be able to be abhasa asing to say not over-emphasize and I'm

and I'm looking with with the mind of the people that didn't can't even more than three, English. And then, four-bun, he's able.

He can get the work but what I'm that's what he's he's more be imaginationation

for something that he not never think of the life. Tendu'n't the first is he can't

get up the people, the name of the room of the time and that's can't just Jeff Bezos. Because not just

butchalbashen about the same the way of the same the way that, what, and then, exposure to the other, so, so,

so, so, kind, so much, kind. So, I'm trying solosin, so solving, so, so, so, so,

effective, yeah? Because critical thinking also, and, and, and, the diversity in perspective,

cognitive diversity, there, so, that's, is about about but also, buthapes from the other, other than the other buddain.

Yeah. Same, kind of like we're looking at hutsin, like, yeah. If we're just nanom one genus, they're many tanemmen, then he can't more, the

patananen's more big, so. Tashanan is from caragaman. Yeah. And,

now we're, we're trying to make sure to be put a way, and it's through the other than you're going to consider if you're still there.

Haddalen, but I'm going to be able to be able to be the last, maybe mehuguing to what I'm saying about the story. So, inspiration I first, when started from Makaa PASI, but you've gothapes.

Bapaghan taught, he's always only using can't pute. So I'm learning that's because, because of India

first time meredka from English, the first thing did happen Gandhi is he was he

made up the land the to put can't because when that the textile

that they bought to import from the English and he makes that we

were gantong with other like that like that's like, we're not meredica. So, he's they're from mulled

to make sure people, to come back in nanom kapas, be pintle, and to be a kine, and that's a symbol of kind of

and that's my inspiration why we're like, to be like, to Dessa, to Indonesia, Timor,

panas, not, because I'm Yeah, the kind of the same-benexia is, when we're self-sufficient. If we're not, definition we're too,

what's, I'm going to back to the same, I'm going to beas-basa asing, yeah, because there are some of the people who are, I really, I'm going to be with him, one of the,

one of the, there's Patarto, namah. Padahe, this is, Secretary-general, Rikat Petalapalawit. So, this is associations people who are people who are in fact-nexia but they're all the petanismadea,

not that plasma did build with a person, that's in the 2015. And when I was, so, so, so, we can't work together, so, right, that, it, not can't be able to English same as well, but we're,

but we're, we want to get to meet people in the world, so I'm going to be translator just setter, tersetor, t'etor, the potoky, we're just along barren, now, begutte, that, that's, that's the number one,

maybe if, if it's the same, from the same, the first, maybe the first is, we're in position, where we can't give that. I think we should do that. Because, with he'd beajack, you, jalan,

then gawl with many people, and got got many exposure, where it's got many exposure, He's on the past he's like, he's come down, so I'm not even because I'm not enneapotin you

really, what, she's, this, this long story short, yeah, in the two two,

and he's and he's very one one panel with him and he, and he's talking about

without, I'm not going to talk about about English, and he's, kind of, he's the way, so much the time, so. I'm just the time for example, and I can't get-a-noticed, too, first she has to becha,

then after that, he next-neux, and come-a-borette, and, that's literally in panel with the language English, and, and, when he said Bapa, what he said is, this, this, I'm, like, I'm more peed, actually, I'm being more sogene, because, it's the time so much, and I'm going to be able to learn something new, ternata, my. So, because they can't email-embourg-a-mail-a-grain-a-grain.

And then, they're based on the brink national, you know, Pa, Rumbok-National, and one of the ones that they've launched-can, it's a partnership for forest that's done by petanic clapac-sawit. So, they want to make make sure they, that they're as well as part of the petan-clapes-awit, it's really, can't be able to be able. If they're-a-fusan-cans-the-gare-gbushed.

It's... ...and-mustrable-cli-claw-sha-sha-sha-sha-old. Yeah, that's about that. So, what, what, he said, he's been in the world, where, actually, they're actually, can't be able to be able to speak English.

So, so they're being in a conference, then, line, line. After he can't come out with concept that's not-ke-upikered, come. Yeah. Yeah. Like, we're not to bea-shappan,

can't be a plantain with food, you, malas. And so, so, and, so, maybe, Imaginacy, because of confidence level but even with confidence level naïk, we're not even matersing we're not,

because we're getting more normal, to make up to the people. So, yeah, I guess I'm really powerful. What's really, it's really being in the kind of, this is. This is it's notal, I've been in the ticungan the last, that we're going to slip with the other than the other than

because of the English. Yeah, right, right. And we're in Pantas international, ma'am, I'ma'am, so much more good. And only because deficiency of the basis of and if I think, in the above 10% of the population

that can be able to beaugh international. Mayanin, if 100,000 people in Indonesia, can be able to beaugh international, so it's all right. So, that, from 1,000 from 100, you can be able to be able to with activism that's about the long-pongued and then to bully, too,

because now, now, it's not being bullied, and then, if we're going to be able to bully, if I think we're... If I think we're more... If I think that's... Because I think, because...

Because I think, ...it think, for how we can exportation to... ...theircoyan our own our we can narrasical our wisdom and I'm looking

just too, as much we can internationalization quality our, we're more nationalistic. So I'm not to get in the jock, in pojokin

in the cotak, which we're being as a nationalist, only because the importance to make about

BASING. That's very, that's not very correct. Yes, right right. Let's go on

together about, we're about about, Let's international. What's the most important is what I'm going to be able to be able to say. Because when we're doing something that's going to be able to be, maki-in and it's got to bea-pasty.

Yeah, that's not. But, but when we're, to, it's made for definitiveing us, and we're, then, maybe, yeah, it's just, it's just, just that's the moment.

So, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a person, other. Ah, Ayo,

let's see a lot of people who are talking to come and as as a consumer too. That's about about

how about making under ecology, and equity, education, and there's

there. Critical thinking, critical thinking, yeah, yeah, about it's so good. Thank you for having us. Thank you. Tana, Denika, weita.

Yeah, the person is, this, siring, making overlawn that like this, so, like, so it's, it's,

it's... I'm... I'm just, I'm just, I'm advocate for the longest time. So,

I, too, I'm about about about about about about about about from the side. Thank you, lo. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Pat. Thank you, Pat. That's, that we're...

We're talking. Danica, for pundekar, for the support sustainability. Thank you. This is an end game.