Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Hamid Awaluddin: Kognisi, Negosiasi, Adikuasa Berkompetisi

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

Bersama Guru Besar Hukum Internasional, HAM, Diplomasi dan Resolusi Konflik, Universitas Hasanuddin—Bapak Hamid Awaluddin—membahas pendidikan dasar dan tinggi, seni berunding dalam konflik, serta bagaimana perkembangan dan dampak politik global.Topik selengkapnya:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:12 - Sejak kecil bercita-cita menjadi ilmuwan0:08:20 - Desa, buku, dan balai baca0:25:42 - Sandiwara akademik, lomba meraih gelar0:37:49 - Rencana harus sensitif realitas 0:51:04 - Seni merundingkan perdamaian1:12:30 - Tiga miskalkulasi hegemoni1:22:23 - Kesalahpahaman Syi’ah1:26:19 - Iran peradaban yang berpendidikan1:28:24 - Ketergantungan kita ke Selat Hormuz1:30:12 - Matinya unipolarisme Amerika Serikat1:37:22 - Pesan untuk diplomat muda#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #HamidAwaluddin------------------Episode lain yang mungkin Anda sukai:Pendidikan Adalah Lentera Kita di Kala GelapJusuf Kalla: Begini Tugas Wakil PresidenSudirman Said: Bencana dan Revolusi Era Baru------------------Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:⁠https://books.endgame.id⁠Sudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini:Goodreads⁠

This is the case, paucing, pauc. Selal who's the person, he's doing. Guru who's made up in level SD, Pout, didn't have been in the kind of hierarchy of the power of this,

but. Padalawan this, pa, pa, there is in guru Pau, there's in the guru S.D. And he's the most marginal now. Bab,

secan, it's two mingue, yeah? That's. So, target administration, but not imaginations, Pat. And the country

not sadder about this, sir. There's sanduara academic, sir. There's been the boughuan public and there's

being done by Pergurant Tingue. Pergurant Tingue should be a industry glars that turned to

make the mechanism Passer, supply in demand. Wow. The two, has been what's up forcian what I'm about?

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the topo book the redact you. Now, back to the show. Hello, So, my friend, time today we're in Dr. Hamid Awaluddin, as well as well as in the United States, and a friend of my God,

thank you very. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. This is already long, we've been agendas. I'm also already doing program this. Amen.

Amen. Amen. Yeah. But, Pa, Pamit, story, Bapa, you can live in Sulawesi-Silatan, then you're long, lang-bana. Perjalan, how? From the child to be able to be able to obsessive,

I mean, to bea-in-being-in-a-lid-a-lawed. Because I'm from Paman, Paman, that, Tocco, Muhammad, berlanganan, majala, panchi, and some of course. And, there, I'm still look

if there in photo the paper, there's prok DR. Okay. So, I'm sorry SD. So, I'm sorry,

I'm going to be prop DR. But I'm not sure that what I mean. Now, I remember

so, the, the minister, the name was, professor, doctor, insinur,

Sumantri, Bojoneegoro. That's that was that, yeah, that, I'm sure.

I'm sure. I'm really, I'm really, I'm obsessed to, what, what I'm, what I'm, what I'm going to do with? Who's the person? I'm, Pa. Okay.

I'm going to, I'm still, at all the other I, to the, um, melepaskan, and say, and say,

"'Kulah, "'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'an. Supu'pun's sopahed sopawpuned sootaned the mat. Then, there's other than patron the other than to doggiaqa, um benyamin. Supuipunia also a son, because I've learned, I'm learning, I'm learning, because I'm obsessed with Om benjamin thatyamint today that. Yeah.

Mast, still, still. S-1, Dhasanuddin. S-1, Dhasanudin. S2 I'm out I'm sure. I'm sure. I've got to

an anthropology I'm still atopause Hucum. I'm still at Della. But because my nat I'm not

I'm from international Soing I'm more to America that. Likko Likovang of

I, America is, I'm, I'm I'm, I'm BASC, BLEPOTAN.

Yeah, Basha in the Uphazis Indonesia I, Pat, but from the area, right? But because comewant, my fighting spirit,

not ever redub, yeah, I've wudged my mimpy mypies I'm, yeah. I'm sorry

be calackar to people, there's film namany Laskar Pelangy. That's, kind of kisah one,

the S.D. Muhammadya Gantong. Kisahidu'i, I, than the case of my more dramatic, I'm more than P, P, SMP.

Wow. ESMP Moameda also. Yeah. And, the story Laskar Plangy, that, can,

prestation the first-tingy-nichal to French, school, and, and, to send-a-lom-lomani. And,

jejack-ne, We still Jeejerk, I'm just, sir. I'm slas I'm doing this. Why?

Why? To America, like, this, when I was I was D. I'm I'm learning

I'm Okay, menerick. Yeah? And it's all I'm obsessive I,

I, I, think, monument Abraham Lincoln in Washington. I'm I'm

with the same thing and he's the lawyer, because that's that's what I'm perkrais the in mindingan I, be learnings, butra my name is Abraham Lincoln, Washington.

So, the time, it's, it's, we're making, we're, the, this,

all this is when I'm class four SED, sir, sir. Okay. Yeah. So that's right, ma'am. But the same time, when I, Pat, when I was class 2, class 3, class 4,

guru beritung me, too, can't bejunk, but because of that, until now I can't be able to be hitung, so. So, paradox, ma'am, one side, pendidiccan dasar, I, class 2, 3 and 4, It's the Jeejewjointed In fact that's positive Sisi Laii, Placiaran beritung

Because gurus I'mgut Untiling money, So, but I'mgitoung, yeah If you, If you're a mannangue About her, Mentioner Bapa

To belajur-cum Now, I'm-in-a-it-you-in-a-tie-pac-a-pac-a-lac-a-lac-a-lac-a-i-a-lach. Okay. He's like, go to school. If you're going to go to the land. Padalpahed, but the education belies, madrasa.

Pendidication agam. But he's the type of person who has fissier. So, I don't know that I'm going to look at the end of the world. I'm going to tip to be out. I'm always giving optimism. I'm going to, Pat, She wasa whenjewal emaschus,

when I'm from the prouroarant-tingy. That's. He's sold it, mausenna, so, sir. I got to go to Makhassar, yeah. Yeah. And that's the last time, I'm going to buyer school my.

Because, the more than I still remember, That's $38,000, yeah, $7.8. Now, we're we'll see buda culture

that's a bit more so we're so, yeah, we're up to promosik buding,

butia what, what, what, what, what, what, what,

the, from a man, from aebu or ecosystem that is, there that there's maybe about this.

So, but I'm going to be able to beaicatan. Bacartagat. Yeah. In-ruma, people, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, like, but but... But, Basa Arab.

Siap. I'ma Arab, that's not because there's baris-as-neigh-not-bacchance-a-toddata-toddha-t. But, but I'm inspirerati this. Now, Dilala, I'ma, in Mawadia, in Rangka Mawain school

I'm bebas, I'm being a peggawing Perman, Bac, because Muhammadia that was a university Mouhamedia, cabang pari,

because I, the Pemangunctuptuptucusa in ranckebacan in rancke a business, I'm paying Uan School, I'm bachah. I'm SMP, ma'ampe, ma'am.

Wow. ESMP, sir. And, and the people are the sameoola university is, what's the book. What's the same I'm notarmotivation. What you're?

What's interesting, because this university cabang from Makasar, the university is only Saturdays, and the week. Guru-gour-you-in-missuania.

I'm in the last year. and then the same to beaughan from Maccasan so I knew the moment I was still as well as junior, yeah. So, so many of the law and sookers that I'm from, to, I know when I was in fact that I'mpah. So, yeah. So, yeah, environment, I'm motivati people, Pat.

No, that about that. especially the first, there's a lot of the catawater, I'm quite many say that if we're going to be able to say from Sabang to make more than 90% from the capital

that's not that's not to get up to so much, so it's hard to we're hard for the education that can't be

in roomatangue because there's perkechalian yeah Like Bapu, but has been, but also, but also, you know,

to motivation Bapa, to bach and learn. So, why Ibu's that, Pa. Dulu, when he little,

after lulus the education agamation, he rancana he's to come to so much. So,

so, there ambiissi best, and get to take-tibus to the other, the merit in the usia

mudah. But, but there's beenpies out. And it's puttularked and depotus to, to say. Kira, kira, by nature, there's mimpi, out of the paupy-ne-ne-kidia. Okay. ...kewarm, from pachem-need-day. Now, with the kynat-a-deguant, about many-skel-a-despers-a-pimpy, like, Baca.

Yeah. How? How much to make-ubbaugh tatanan that in Indonesia? The first, ma'among, you know, the government has serious. Yeah. How much dyesa, desa,

yeah. Diactiv can't comealy, to balle, bala, baca. Tamp, with the way, not possible. Yeah. Has us, to do you know,

with balle, bala, mabach. Missan here, sir, yeah, daisah, did,

he, bantuan, he has doneuant a lot of the same a lot of the same thing that they're just to make sure just book that's making a book that's the most of the carna, right?

Yeah. So, yeah, the, the, of, the, you can, many of the work, you know, man. Yeah, right? Now, with the other than the time of that, he can't pass-upak-warking,

at the bestat, this is there, ma'amacca. How much more than he is there, pa, you know, to be able to be able to do you just as, but if you're not, but if you're not,

it's just a reasonation, it's just a way, but. I, I remember spoke gomobrol with people in Perpustaka National. Yeah.

We have 83,000 desa. but purportakaan, that's just there's about about so many people. So, there's 80s and ripps that don't have been purportaan.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think in basa'an it is, the agitatant social apakit, which is the greeja,

mesit, mayap can't husus Taman Bacaan, but. Why, this is important? Because,

if, if, if, if, in Islam, people come in the Shat Shabbat, Pat. At least she'd get back up, back,

manjail. And it's really, and it's able to and mattolde if, if they're going to Salat

Jumat, they brought the child and then with making sarananabha in the medit or

in the greeja, it's too, it's, it's, it's, this,

this is very the social it's making sure of the making sure you people make sure I'm just way, I'm going to make sure.

This, this is maybe that's also can't help out of guru. Yeah, can?

I've got about about how we have to make sure we're making people, because there there's,

there's, three-and-a-jutor, this from the cost of course. So, it's hard to recruit the guru that's. If you're going to be able to be. Not there's a pergardeer of the government to bea.

Yeah. Yeah. And, especially in the area. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or, you know, part of the water.

Yeah. That's more fatal, BAPE, Papersa, work, can beaubon guru. Yep. Apart if, if, if you're not,

not, pa. There's there's got to matinee attitude umuritness behavior, the genuonguangue

all spend with paperwork guru, which isaracted by the Dines of the Dines of Pondidikin. Is it, and so onus'allus'n.

So, so. So, so, because, because, because, not, the economy, not,

Khmuqa work It's hard so, ma'amap. And it's to beauged by the government. Oh, I'mmoni personatine.

But hey, guru de lepalbawak but to something. Pengatawan where there's

new to children, and children mimpic, the two methodology make ajar, Bah.

Two, two, not demiliki our guru our, pat, pat, path,

PASAN, why? Mustn't know, he's justenal but paperwork it. Is it, this formula A,

formula B. Outerbishop, man, Mbubon guru, B, out of course. What, what,

what, what, this is really, to be sikapy? Now, the actually,

that, because, uh, the, uh, the, uh, ,

Yeah, um, the TTPen administrative procedural, bureaucracies to Guru. So,

the guru the purpose, the matter administration that, ma'amester this, this is it

so that's not the same the imagination. The guru now, now, what, is it

imagination, but, no only innovation, pa, by imagination. If you have been insinacy, they tular can't beaure, ma'amination Imagine, evening generation, with the story how goodung X-dibankun.

It's, can't make sure, ma'amination as an engineer, ma'u. Guru we don't have imagination, this, ma'amination, ma'am. All have been the time for paperwalk. Isie formulaeer A, formulae. P. You can't. Yeah. Yeah.

Guru that good, ma'uagination, and detularked, right? Yeah. This is that we're saying, we're saying, that three attributes utahma that are you puttucked for success.

Yeah. That is imagination, ambition, and, and, good-unthung. Yeah. Yeah.

If not be run-tunctum, he will not be dirut. Yeah. If not be imagination, he can, he can be able to d'arat in the If you're not Abhapes,

Now, aspect imagination this is there not there. How much can't have been imagination?

Imaginacy is kind from from the guru, the subject that they're the subject that

he has improvisation soing as subject that to be someber imagination an.

But, but once again, but Guru, the Jazeera'am, the way, abhsecia,

so on say, two mingue, yeah, that's. So, the end uptoe, manchap, but the imagination, but.

And the country not sadder about this, because perenganation there, can, the can't,

the government, the government, the government, the law to beaulah so, yeah, what,

what, what, what, what, what, that we can to make-hceleration perubm?

First, I think, Pa, Parabhan has been from level P-K S-D. Because level pediccan,

you know, he's mimpy. If S&P should have puttegast Mimpy. But,

the Pembununan Mimpy is from TK to Samp S&E. Pomerintah has to allocasica

whattune, energy- resources to to make uptaker, TK with SED, I'm sorry. I'll give you

Pankhampton, that's a bupati that's very important I'm sorry a company a company, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

I'llocassicant Dana CSR only PANned TK, pout. Pout, I'm up, I'm going to do you, sir.

With standard of pout, young. Pullang, I'm going tojad. It's a lot. Hasiling a lot. Hasil not so. It's been three-hastus-a, yeah, we have alumni. Why? Guru we're didick for, what, what, methodology.

method what? What's the methodo method of the method? For the method of what'seracate like this. Can be different? If you're in Jakarta, man that's the city.

that's the city's in did you know. Yeah. Yeah. Ternata, back, after we're learning, oh, discipline.

Why? Because if, the dairah, Crenu Pursupecies It'ser Weakot the part We're between Duhu and Asar

Yeah, sir There, sir, sir, So, sir, so, sir. So, so, ma'am. The two, setal the nightarie Tengelam. But,

there's no, there's presicinia, Pa. Fantasticis, Patastis, Pat. Wow. Marit,

people are people, because we're using standard time. Presissy, Presissy, sir. The mother, and we're,

we're doing back to, what, um, the, while, and he's, he'll be able,

he'll bea. There, there's interaction, back. So, so, guru, and,

he's, and, the, The other'stoy, because of the guru-marit. Because of the abhorred, I think, that we're going to dissemination, sir, ma'am. This, right, right,

people, talk about the other than you're not, she's not, not. Annautarche, if pull of school, but I'm

able to ask, I'm not able to be both sides, Pat. Orant-tue and murid with the moreit that has. A lot of the other, I'm a little bit less than

how much the indonesia to must be sikapy, there's a kind of in context of the context of the in Indonesia that, maybe,

in, it's not as far structural from TK, penangu-grutant guru, and how good How does how much how much? So, once in fact, pa, yeah, buddhae, we'll be able to beaul-bawak.

Because if they did in SEMP nanty, this, ma'am, not terbiasa, Salset, balset, balset. Istilabas, Aramna, to wabillahit topic, walkidya, so, that. So, this, this, but, B'nai.

Pout, Biasa can macka, macka, then SED. That's D. That's d. What? What about?

Bebasket, parer guru in the two things from the administration and gives incentive, sir. Guru that, sir, incentive that's not

there. And he didn't be angap as a baggie. Because hierarchy our education our making to atas,

and it's that that they'rea- nobody ever think, pa, that's right, fondation to the same as far as as far as far as not ever as much

in the hierarchy of the power of this, sir. Yeah? Selalue, that's the prongruan thing, yeah, he's docent.

Padalawan in this, sir, there in guru Paud, there in guru S.D. And he's the, like, the most,

the most, the most, the most, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, paris. Hierarchy, penharmes social, you know, sir, and, kind of, pa, physical that's the way that they're

amazing, sir. Yeah. Because, SD's just in the way of the book, borgit. He has, like I salad suburb, if he's Muslim, he's still jala,

I'm not, but I'm not, ma'amara, ma'amara. Yeah, that's d'allengue, oh, Ibu Sumiati, mengaer, has been monied perserathehattan administration, because that's the check, ma'amangan. Ibuwumati, banged jam-berap. In ranka, jam-tud-tud-tut-tepat, It's about the other than. Nobody, sir.

That's got to beaithingan of my, sir. Can I also guru? Yeah, yeah, guru, sir. Yeah. Because S-3? Did, is the hukum, too. Yeah, that's the day, mimpis I've been, since I was, mailed,

mealyptu, D.R. Professor, Dr. Ismantri Bojone Goro. There. There is, man. Prob, Dr. I'ma Abysha. Abysa.

Ah, by the same WDR. It's... Wow. Bacaan, Wow. Yeah, to build imagination.

Kessan Bapa, how do you about, many galar that there in Indonesia? This is, Critic my, Pai, not a present. Critic as by

of the norahy say. Perguron-tinged in Indonesia, sir, Bah. Should be able to be able to beckonation pasture, supply-in-demand. Second, perguron-tingy we're now, sir,

has been a puset pencuching ijasa. What that? Soso-o-erang, is one in the university entomberantah, S2, I'mtasas in t'rugurement in-Tingy-S-3. The same is-Torahs-Torahs, so he's-Gi-a-S-2-T.

But, this, motive is suplei-intimant. And I'll tell you, this is with the othering that the pruron-ting-nigris-N-P-T-N-A-P-T-N, and what's-Serve. Right. And look, Pat. Setiative time, there's beenerimation MASSISA1,

yeah. Dibagy in three categories. Categority because of the test. Categority Mandirich.

E. First, Bebas test. Kmampuant, allurement. But, but it's, can, right 20%

yeah. Masy other 80% can. Categority the two Mandiri, Baa. Yeah, so,

yeah. So, now, this, the test, lulose. Leicse, 40%

is 40%. But he's 80, and there's 40%. The ender. Mandir, it's, he's,

he's, he's, but, and, oh, he diderim, because he,

al-seh-s-Pak-Tak-R, Alimandayu, many of the way. Yeah. And the most Geleck, here, there's, category

class international. Class international, the highest tuition is the class international. But, but in fact, intellectual,

not, but, and this is the thing is, there's the bohungan public and the abacuation

public, high. The A. The last international. The other Bordeaux in there.

Mascalsing Dossin, Pa. Apolley, Professor, is as as well as teacher

national. How much international, Pa. Dajarker can in English. Barangly, Basha,

Indonesian Saja Professor this this, don't getulungan, sir. So, so it's

under academic, Pa. And, and, It's not really, Pa. Well, but again,

now, the program is high because they're doing for money, but we're taking the program

semester, right, yeah. U.I. in contact this, is good. I heard the faculty

subcumness to probably 25 or what per year, but but but,

but, but, but, He, yeah, he'll meet, he'll meet with every semester. Every semester this, Pat, did give again perangotan. Maka, so far as far as people, endapter,

in the time of the time of the year to the time, and the professor, sir, pa, the rancash, did you know-as-a-s-tigua, make-can-sameau-counter so much-a-anness-a-cademic. I've never got to-de-can,

what, yeah, mbimbing, and mucy program graduate, 42, Pat. Wow. What, ma'am professor?

In one year. Yeah. The professor this, ma'am, sir, ma'aria, man, man a person a person a subjury, he, who's retarition, with the theme extradition. Jurusan of the agraria He's retortation.

So far as far as far as, he's about, he's right. He can't huckum agraria with study casus palu liquidation, though, pa, pergisheran, can? Perpindhindana, can?

Agraria, right? Now, the way of think, he's making exradition. Estradition, can, perpindance from one to a country to another, right? But, but it's just as long as far as longbaugh.

This is, Bipa, paup. Blomba, lomba pejabre dairah, pa, you know, mausk, um, um, um, mubourgulor doctor. With assumption, with gellar doctor's, it will be promosy, Pat.

The other, Bupati gubernur, it's not co-coced with him, so he, He's in the school. Because of the Uphabuantah in the country. Datang percourant-tink,

as a psalmant condition. Sedot, and then, must. Yeah? Lachir, what we have

what we've got to be the doctor, that's more too, but now, now, now, now,

back, back, back, ma' Mackan. Muck, don't have, t'b,

t'b, tabat A, jabat P, Soh, If they're the doctor, after they're doctor One time, he's decad to university

Park So, sir. Tampal again, Professor, Doctor, because that I didn't ever Pake Gellar my back.

Bap, you've never been there's documenter to use. I do not, but... But, But,

people, call professor, yeah, the urusation he. E. E-Nugugue, the provol. Obot is,

How about it? Obatn't. How about it? In the country we're in, sir. In fact, pergurant thing, pa. Yeah, pa.

Don't take system BNPB that, back to tempo, too, constitution can make atakan, 20% ongaran has been dedicating allocations to

that, so, so, Yeah, what, what, what, uh, uh, uh, the other than it's, uh,

production, because it's, because it, two, pa, beaac-tugue one, again,

from TETB administration bureaucracy. Bebiscan it, so, so, so, he's, pat,

I'maure, ma'am. And then, tarapkan an artura a person, a person, but to be able to more than

six bimbingan one now. Now, now, there's a other, that's not

that there, there's more heabot, but, the caraning make a car, can't, but,

but, if, co-promotor, There's there's right now, Lord. So, sir. Yeah, sir. That's also, the puny.

He has been bathe. There's a lot of people who, 42. How much, Pat, when he bachy, to, dissertation, Pat. Can,

after he back, he has formulasical what? Yeah. Mabaca just not, sir. So,

and, so. So, So, because of the purgurant thing in the country, Pat. Sopah, part, part, because of the curriculum of our own, if I'm not sure, Pa. $4,000. $5,000.

Tyeongk, pa, only $2,500. Amper $3,000. Amper $3,000. With a number of people, $1,000, $1,000. And, ternata, perguron thing in Tungok, there is a category number 1, sir, sir. Because she's not Because of the best,

Pena, they're trying mutu We've got to We've got to see what you. And Bapa, you know what's the result? Negri, medulla, Masciswah, mousand,

the ratio, the dosin and masiswah, not. So, Pat, In Swasta, because of the other than in the world, ma'asota, ma'am. So, because there's a lot of students, not generate income, not generate income,

there's money to make up to make upkeep to make upholitas dosan. Sementary, in there, but not rational, perimanguanguance. Soot, in the country, in swastas, I'm not bermutu too. I'm going to stic data data,

yeah, Bah. in Tjof, there are, there's a, there's a, campus, with 45 million mahasiswas. Asia, Tengara, there are 10, with 25 million mahasisva.

From 10,000 campus, Indonesia, 5,000. Indonesia, the same to 1stiswana 10-13-chuta. But, Tyeongkok, to menepot

in, in the top 20 the best of the world. And Asia-Tengara also, two.

Wow, from 10,000 campus, but two-d-n-d-n-in-sing-pura. Number three, in Singapore, to, Peringat number

56, University of Malayah. Now, that's out of the world's that's the world that's from the top of the world. From the world of research the best of 10.

Eight from 10. It's at level of a non-tingy. If in the penitigan non-tingy until SMA, that we're going to curing up. That's who, you know, who's of the age of 15

in context proficiency communication communication STEM science, technology, engineering, mathematics. Tyeongkok, too, number one, but, but, baru-barucus, this, calhs with Singapore, from Singapore is number one in the

world, Tioncok number two. But from 11thagher, in Asia, Tengar, that's only two countries that on the atas, rata-rata-dunia, that's Singapore and Vietnam.

Malaysia just not not in the atas. Yeah, Indonesia is number 69, back, from 81 countries. I'm seeing that data, data like this, how, how,

without penitaping structural for we can be with China? Yeah, that's that, sir. Pernchanal program

pediggan we have really, to do you know, but for the plan on. Sure. So, now, can, the plan on

just, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, so, so, so,

so, so, so, so, can't, the, the, can't,

the, people, the, den, the, non-d-d- -d-d-sard- ,

oh, what, the, yeah, that, can be-o- -re-re- Paule-part.

The first is the first, what, Pa? Bentu. Team, team. But, again, the people who are you, people who are in mind the reality about.

How is Dede in the kaki, Bukit, Gung Semeru? Now, Lalo, because the Ponditaker

Daser is the level to the Bupatine the perenchananer, And again, like, new-lawy-lawy-a-M-da-da, ma'am-da, ma'am, da'a. Yeah, that's in bureaucracy,

administration, Pat. Tentang here. Tentang-sin. Has to rob, total, sir, pa. Stude,

I, and, seracan to the area, but, there's, there, but,

the power of, serious, the-en-s- -re-er-in-a- Serus, ma'amahy. Salamma, ma'amah. What you've been Femda, that's what I'm going to do with you guys?

Zero, back. What? What? The same, prosur SOP that's on tumpucing cartas that has to issue,

has been purported, without ever to look, and, what, And then, Because, sir,

because, because there's a lot of people school, right. In the gengum 50 years

long long, the, what, the, uh, penilic that, but,

it's very people, yeah, if they come, if they're coming. This,

this is, this is not there. The, the, the, then, dinus

the business And And all is for politisashi if you're If you're If you're Whoopati

There's Kepalal Dinas, there's there's there people Bupati

Baru Kapal Dines Pendipat Dines Pondit and Mbaw This, this,

man. That, the world Plutarchus to be penetrasy Kepenitka. The fact

that There's the There's the plan for example but there is aphiliation Politic That's the tragic story For our country, part. And if you've got,

Mutu-Pendidication we're Musti's more than the more. The fact is accumulation of the people who Andes, how much every time,

how much doctorate, but there's that we're still that's under doctor, he is a person he is someone in the bidang of it.

Amos, you know, that year, time 2004, Tionkok is underdark 1.8 million patent

Yeah, sir. In one time. Yeah, yeah. And Asia-Tengara, for 20 years, in a cumulative, until 2004, it's only 300,000.

It's, it, and, the number and quality intellectual property. And it's been correlations with quality peddickan.

Misscaya. Yeah, right? And, and, this, we have to try bungus

in how much Indonesia democracy number three conon, population the number

four in the world can't make sure the relevancy but without the

problem in this this this this number, I'm question

why can't why can't be super simple bap baparer look Dosen, professor.

Yeah. Can wewajibing, Puck, you know, one semester can five matalier that's the way of course.

But he did have used 10. Why? Pendapotan. Pendapotan. How? Bapagapagap

Mankerapac the professor to bea result, makehalsalsalsalsalsing innovation of the endang in

the bidgner. Mestin'i, But what, I'm like, every professor hasabatical every time. He's not,

debasks from from Havon, to teach, four-bond, one year. Four-bond in, can, he can be able to make

to use journal, so that he has been curtailed in the world bidangue. If he, if,

Ahrie chemistry, four He'll learn Microsoft's how much, apache, how much. This can't not, sir, industry can again,

soing the professor pun, pa, making-cuted industry. There's not there's a contemplation.

How much can make a newpation, pa? When, when they're contemplation about what

he wants, But he's not there's Beban-Majar And, Begutte dey Bebant-Megar, Bapa can. He only can't

be given-wis-a-wis-a-wis-a-wis-a-wis-a-wis-a-wis-a-could. This is, ma'am-a-sha-a-sabatical. The, on-a-sabatical. Gage-ttttttt, but that's about the last few months, he's done with the right now. That's what you're inunded, pa. There's a lot of innovation, Professor.

In all the time, if the semester, it's beaubani, it's not possible, pa. What he's, he's going to, sir, S, 2, S3. Yeah, or, sir.

Yeah, sir? Yeah, sir. Yeah, he, if he got to gajee, 30-year-year-old, he not going to-hack-harmor. Oh, past it not, yeah, right? And he can't be imaginashy,

and he can't-chuncting imagination. And if I... I have a keyakening, if, if you're who are brilliant, want to be a jury, he'd be given gaij 30-juta, then he got a parloran,

anguplah, in $4.45,000. He'd be paid to be-gut-d-gut-d-d-er-d-cure, because, because of the kampung-old. Yeah. And the kampuant. And the kamping, ma'clock. Sanking.

Manking in the kampong, more than, ma'amac. Yeah. Yeah, right. So, I'm going to be able to find 3.5 million people like this. That's what I'm not the matter, pa. Angeran, 25% to the pendidica. Sure. Parer-purnos passal constitution is,

I'm like that, in the time. in the middle of course. That's right. Mustn't it, sir. If Bapagic, it, Professor, sir. Standard gajinia,

$30,000, and not bebeam massive to beban, it, there's time he becky. So, sir. Pa,

Usas? I'm like laptop susa, pa. What? What? Yeah. The other, ma'am. Sudda'barae is paro professor, Pa, in the bidsomacian.

Punia, but there's a word of the same. Yeah. Sopacre other sumer of the limoes, China, you name it. Yeah. English. Spacat.

Spacat. Tampas other language asing, how much there there's a little new about there? Productions

Bucco Indonesia Baa. Dicat so, but, there, there, there, there, there,

there, book, mongue about Asia Tengara Yeah. So, cumulative,

it's that's around $375,000. Bucu in all the world, 150, jute.

So, so, 0.267% from the total. Partal. The population Asia Tengara is 700 million which is around the population of the population dunea.

9% but denarciccican 0.26%. From there, it's been leitrasy, documentation, it's very much. And because that, sir, Guru is, it, is, because only with a lot of

has one basa asing, because only with a lot of because of it's not, it's not a new barucus, sir,

he doesn'terserser from the basis of Indonesia, but what sumber of the information,

that's journal, book, and sobe and the same way, no, no,

many, sir, so. So, so. So, what I'm what I'm

I'm here-hara, with this. Can't there's no matter, but I'm going to how much book that there,

but there's there's perserata Massa-Assing there. There, there, concept too,

so if if, so, so, so, that, ideal, is,

it's, there's documentation. Yeah. But, certainly, in the

history, it, it's dilimphous in case lessan. LISAN. And

Then again, then-cuchessing to live-chucing-translation. Yeah. Now, it's kind of risk-translacy. Loss in translation. Yeah, yeah. And, that's what I've seen-cally I say-sevut, verticalization wisdom. Bissor be lost in translation if not there's documentation. Now, penguaten and penimpurned wisdom or knowledge,

that's to horizontalization has to be review by review by retakey by RTEs, by RWNs, by academia, by NGO, by people who are,

so that he can't and, and it's not that the limpaccaught from the other or kake that's still be corrects.

That's what we're with us. Verticalization and horizontalization is, but. Buda we're being,

butaerator oral. So I'ma. A lot. A lot is a bitip before school tolis. Mama, I'll tell you,

get tompel, right? The people are single lunging, this, Anna. Bagi the banks of the

people who have beenelike all right can be told us, ma'am, I'm, I'm want to say this

this is. Oh, this that's why. That's because of the reasonrown to not, because, because of the personuneroyap to people because, if you're going to be able to be part of course, if, pa. If oral, can be able to be transatlant.

Because that, we're with much, to find the cause of the person on people. Because there's not documentation. Yeah. It's serious, ma'am. And, butaia this has been used, but we're doing,

yeah. Budaya, we're doing. We're even not very much. Even after the idea of study. If people know,

if people use with ball pen, it's quality cognitive- that's more more than if they're

computer. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Because computer automatic, If you know, if we're going to make it,

Mikir. Yeah. Then we copy. Yeah. Thinker in it's in a bit of a catatat. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, this is about a-jambroar-in-lawed-court.

It's true. Pa, Papa, too, is very perforan in process perdomain. Yeah, I'm-cuit, too. Yeah, yeah, Bapa-Cut-a-old. Yeah. So, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, , if, if, if, if, if, if,

, if, if, while, while, while, for Pachyka. Khohoff, and Ambon. Yes. Christian and Muslim, yeah. After that, A.C., as far as, as I'm as far as, as I'm going to be able to, when I'm going to be able to be a group of GERDECA. Satelah, that I'm going to bea.

Afghanistan, Taliban, yeah, it's the people people parliament, to, the time my time, because when they

did get perect, I always to bring to Indonesia, but then after that I've been back back.

Uh, pern't also I came to Hamas. It was two weeks before

penembaking Ismail Hanii, I, And I'milat, ma'amakhan, paris, paas, paris'amara, I'm marambah, that tibedahed byrata. Now, nowadays, I'm dealing with telan-salatat. Antar Muslim patani with the governmentan, if, what, what, complique vertical, that. I'm back. I'm back back back up to find

because we're inbas because of the the people of the men's people, the people to be and then, we're just to-turb, right? We're going to be it's about. Begutu, so on Taliban, penguosy.

So, that's one. Why, what, what, I'm about there. Cunciness, what? If, if, if, if, community and community,

the Uphak To turn to the Uphanagan Mawrantly, go be able to be Why, why complicate POSO and Ambon Dulu it was three years Because of the People,

which is a lot of Miscarate Mimiliki mechanisms Mennelisking Persolation, Nogar, not has hadir. Mackan,

It's per-escalation, Pak. When, that, P, Jekar, Tibertip, it's up to MNCO,

we'll have to be able to let's say that. Now, the same thing, if the conflict is, vertical. Yeah. Like,

GERACA with the government, can, the country has to take initiative. Because if

the, uh, what, uh, the, the part, the, there's,

there, Gensi, there, Gensi, there, Gensi. Gensi, that'si, that'siqaunt, that's the government.

Because the dealation, they're to be able to, you know, we're going to be. We're going to beaugh our own country. And we're sublimity, we know. There's kallangue,

to bebunkus with agamac, to, um, to, um, to get, uh,

now, if, if there's just conflict, vertical sopite this, Bapa, But I don't have

people who want to love more than the other more than for negotiation not, not psychology not he has to

the same rake in rakem in their constituent that even if there ideology apolai if

if they ideology and because that the country has to make

initiative exactly the same in A.C. Negara Mammu'll be mullay. That's

I'm in 2005, but I'm going to bea-two-old There's a lot of time where I'm going to look at least in Europe to find people, penit-pain, Pempsychic in, Pat. In Finland. In Europe, sir, German, Belanda. They're not to be able to. So, yeah? So, so I'm just barrening 2005.

But the process it was 2002, but we're inborn. Wachted, we've got to say, Amid, we've got to doperkubatine Poso, province in Maluku, national now.

We're to ACE. Sejia, since 2002, Pat, Marit, I've got back, that, and to-kart,

and every we've been trying to-pah, pa, because we've got to bully, many who claim talko, huh? Tarnata, that's not. So, siritania. Yeah.

So, so, you know, have to be an initiative, but not a, what, um,

what, um, it's not going to happen, but. To tell you, prank, you, sir,

but, you know, Pank, P, P. P. Kala, I'malashek and I'm sure

to Australia, sirali, sir, for because there some of the mediae Pachyke

said I will report to President Jokovic, yeah, he lapar. President Jok

yeah, Yeah, yeah, our That's why, why, when when able alic the quosahsane

2001, didn't ribbut to come exactly, pa, make the method we of ACC,

y'ne, the methodology amnesty. So, so when we're running d'all

that we're that we're the concept amnesty. Luka-lap, Andhanty-and-hap, everyone, the label crime's drop.

Some way that's it's been bybasket. That's what, there's now. Mawkerns there's after Taliban, right, yeah? Because when

he was up, merbut-keqqqqqqqqqua-uoshaan 2001, then, and then-an-a-amnesty all-it-lawan-n-n-a. J-D-A, Halasahsalat.

He's again, he's going to copy method of the unilisanship in Acei. Yeah. Halian same also Hamas and Taliban,

Mahas with Al-Fatah. That, Pam, it's always always to say, Al-Gy-All.

Jalasin, yeah, so. So, so, the concept that, sir, isle-hmm,

because, we'll-hmm, under-hmm, Runding-salam-in, always make-gap-mur-a-mort- because it, not-sejadar when they negotiate.

Memaxsaken the in-en-en-deged. Man, can't, but. Posis we can't equal in negotiation. Because it, there, there's

not-ob-a-indindis-a- There's a commasance, what's about, what's going to, try to discuss it? Because that, it's, there's just a word dignity, co-all. That's what we

talk about, N, yeah, this, dignified. We're, we're matabat, you as a part-in-n-laping the country, I'mwakili-negara. We're, we're talking, we're-cira-old-old-a-old-lot-s,

I'm not the enresal. end resal of the dignity. The negate for the, the, uh, negatite for the, uh, that's the concept. Don't perman. So, how it's difficult to use it? Um, gampong, pa. Gampal, because we're not, because we're noticent, because we're

going to begined me, like in a big in the right now. Wachth, ma'am. After the Uphu'll be runing, there's one pending, which is party politic local. Yep. Wachted to President Atisari

sangea menend this, because he knew this is the tap as well. Now, they're going to-endidimed party political local. We're a lot of we're just a lot. In addition to someone

Yusup Kala, memplejured, but it's there, under the undang, the autonomy Papua, there,

there, the part of, party political local. There. Meskippo, after we're after we're in

AC, the pastal it is the pastal it, but there, but there. So,

there president yeah. Howes, how much the first time, Adhysari, mediator our part of the political local. He called me, Mr. Awaluddin, a cup of Al-Ghreti in my room. He said, he knew I'm a pemminau. Begitou, before I'm going to be a biteraparadapar, he,

he, there is what this? Bucca. He, he's got up hispotu. And then I'm going to say, I'm going to be like that's up. You're longar, you can't do a meter tingyna,

the body's big, he doesn't know, not much. It's been very. And then he said, Mr. Awaluddin, now you feel how uncomfortable is,

where in suits that does not belong to you. That's not, that's not. Wow. Yeah. So many gam. He's not want to use the sport of the other.

He wants to put it, sir, he's about. And the result, boy, wow. That's the reason why. So, since we dame, 2006, Pemilukada, some of the, so they're associated with gum. They have their own shoes, but.

Jelazin, about pelucutant sonjata, like, So that we're about, right? Amherst 1, paink. In this it was timbul, the idea President Atisari as a mediator, how we're built a company,

ACE monitorion mission, that's on the U.N.A.O.A.O.A.O.A.O.A.A.A.A. And ASEAN country. Yeah. There's a quatineerer. but that'senget, that's the most monitor the MOU. One of the main

one, sir, but, again, back to concept Dignity for all. Don't you take the un-emble, the government,

don't want to them, make, they're not, come, senderang-in-a-M-M that, that's the same thing. So,

They don't lose face. They don't feel surrender, sir, Pat. So, Paterner is. Three-a-tuce gunpownded disarrhka, and they're self-munked in the Dement, you, sir. Wow. Yeah, ma'am, we?

Yeah, ma'am. Wow. So, so, that's back to the concept Dignity for all. They don't feel surrender. they're not look, they're notherstant, yeah,

yeah, they're in front, uh, the company neutral, it's a C, monitoring mission, that's wrong, no casualties,

yeah, depil, oh, dignified, we're, we're, we're gonna, can, can't,

can't be, the cuncuit, you know, you know, you're, that you can, you know, you're not,

you're gonna, what's right? That's right. That's the storytick. It's all. How do you position it? To position it,

to be able to be-percray. Very simple, you, that. When, that, we,

so, so, so, so, the method, pat, the method, negotiacy.

So, I'm first I'm in front of them, So, back. So, in the time 9-pagy, uh, bento tapacuda, that's the head of the team's in the head of the

uh, they're the legistice I, can, five, five, this. President Atisari, memonged delegations to come, and must, I'm,

from there, I'm from there, I'm president of Tisari made presilacian nataerisari makesh, delegation to make, the members of my group to meet

that's assigned. I didn't do it. As a bit of as a leadergation. Instead of you, I'm puttard to mejana

salam, and gobrol. I'm still, Ketka, Tengkou Malik Mahmung, I cannot believe, I have another boogynisman in this room. Ah, cair, right? On the part of the second, which is in February, Malik Mahmong, Mammu, Mammu,

we've never been redacted, wakil the government that's what? What, pa? Harry first, you know, but I'm not, salam we're doing, we're just as a-gap-a-an-a-anjing.

Berta's about methode, yeah? Once you have the proper method, so they can build up the trust. That, that. So, yeah. So, so, substance,

methode, it's important, And I'm not Rewanoura And I'm full of chanda Yeah And tarnathe it's alhamdulillah Melunakkan hatiness To me

Yeah So, so much Soal substance Pat Puck, Pekite Yeah Soal care Yeah

Now, So, That's how, Rapparthea that's about that's got to Mandat. Yeah.

Because, the end-o-to-un-it-as. Yeah. Yeah. That's how, that's how much? That's how, they're percée, oh, the two,

Bapah, you know, can, since 2002, I've already in Europe. So, so they're perpenapal, oh.

Bessarcia, Because of the endurance From 2nd, We're in 2005, sir, Pat. There's been a process panang, where we never get up.

Not badakant, ma'a. Not badak, for the for the penning for a moment. So, so, Rentang 2002,

2005, this, can, it's quite for they up for their up, the power of

our endurance our, sir, yes, the, and, that, that,

that, that, that, that, And that persistent, we, we, we're doing, but I'm not going to make, you know, the buchampi, who's shakir manaf, that's who, who's sacked in the hudan.

I as a secretary, pergy, jemput, the mother, that's from A. It's, that's a lozman in the jalan, so, because, can I can't be able to be able to be it,

So that, Mubil Kijang, Bavar, Bapar, President S.B. In Cicayas, Pah, Ibuhring Meshire. So, to belulukk

heart of the other in the hudan. Yeah? All, like, this, I'm doing,

part, the kind of being intelligent, the kind of what, yeah, all, yeah,

yeah, demy one how, how. Bermis, Yeah. Well, what are you about, horizontal or vertical, that's where,

that's more manageable? Yeah, in, sir. In fact. In fact, you, I, have,

you know, , yeah, uh, uh, put yeah. Yeah. If you're,

if I'm, yeah, in-tara, the entire of complique, that, uh, complique

because ethnic race, because given. So, because given. Bapa He's like a person Javier. Paispera, man, pa, yeah.

A given. So if motive is multiprased and ethnic, perpecual that, you cannot change it, you, you can't change it, pa, yeah. Agama must have probability you comfort

from Nazarani to Muslim. Javansu'am to bea. If that's right, man. If you're not, if you're not, Not, I'm not quite, ma'amot, you know, ma'am. Now,

Hanya, there's barang commodity that's in the conflict. Surga and Naraka, that, that's being a baranguea. If you kill your enemy

from different beliefs and come in surga, that's the other than, that's the way. That's why. That's why. That's why, it's why we're,

that's why I'm going, Pachyak, Hamid, Hamid, this ishajah, manjah, manjah, manjah, man, and he said, shagachan, when chrani Massaeranne, masu-surga. Nasrani said, Oh, you'll jump Paris

besought, Hamid. You said, two-two into narakka, because there's a gama when you're going to people. I'm going to bea why,

not Bapa. Bapa, man, I'm nobody. And then, I'm nobody. And then, I'm not. Amit. If I'm doing it, and d'apotiv.

Yeah. Was I a bad guy. If I was a bad guy. If I'm going to be lally. Amit's a lot of o'cab. So, so I said, Bapak, jadek,

you know, bapak, I'm taking nashimu'amu as simple as well, Bap, Pantastis, assailant. Not had to protested. I'm. Even al-Marhumed Cahner

menelpon I. Bukh, Bukh, Kash, Pach, Mr. Jekha, he's right. We're better than we're not being able to-lawy-bishop. Lois-ta-ta-ta-to-law. Tolung, cas-ta-a-gama,

to put the position, to tell you. Wow. This, sir. So, yeah, a second-lack, has been a problem-in-lawful. Yeah.

Boso. I'm going to say, that's not true, but pergiseration composition pendudu Yeah. Tibbe

Tiber took it to Poso, then all the people from Southan Maceau. There's been

there's Transylawesi. There's pergisera structure of the population. From

the south can Muslim Ma'a. Yeah, that? Makhgion isu partam to usir

BBM. Bugis, buton So that's about Soal agamah, Pa. Seringkally, the agamahs

in the per alat for the for the important to economy or political, that's what that's what you're people who

living coexies perdampingan tibbae this isup different agamah this is that I'm going

highlight, so I'm I'm saying I'm saying that in Asia Tengara the last the last

the same the Yeah. Yeah. And, underdasharking, but upon opinion,

or about whether that's, the other ethnicity, yeah. Agamah, it's not more than

9 million yeah. Kedneran is very, but if we bandinginging with Europe yeah, yeah,

bedasarcan attribute that same for durations that same, it's in Europe, 180-juta

Jua. Well, So long as long time that, 2,000 years. Now, for the war on the Unia 1st and 2 just, it's been making more than 100 million lives in Europe.

Yeah. Now, this, this, it's garis-bawahi that the DNA, Asia, Tengara, it's actually peaceful and stable. Yeah.

And this, I've taken to, to process, what, what, what, yeah, goresan that's gotting, that's from, anguplas, India, peninsula Arab, that's more socialization, not proselytization. Yeah.

Among other, that, because in the kawasan we, the way of it, not the waygmonic, yeah? Right. If Europe, can hegemonic. Right.

Right. Zero sum. Zero sum, exactly. Yeah. If you can, in the Kavana hegemonic, it, that's not.

What is, harmony. Right. So, so, as a motive, it's different. Bede.

Bada, Couture, yeah. Tark the paring the Pankanamination, about what what's about

what is I'm looking at percikan, in Timur-Tenna, in Ukraine, Tentunuchy, in Gaza, West Bank, and line-line. How did all started from the pandanionic. Cattakal U.S. Since the war, dingin, it's allasay. He's already malibal-diri as policy-duty, with concept unipolar, though,

that's it, that's melegged in the people, America, we are the champion, we won the world, we are hegemonic power. Yeah, that's right. That's the world. Yeah. Lalo, there's a problem. Economically, can, Pat, yeah? With the kankitana.

Because that, because, that, the, one, the first, they're doing, how, memotong probability of the stumbuant economy China, with with the with the biggapagant. One, the other

the biggaining the money to to China. Because that he was the Al in Venezuela.

Because 600,000 barrel per day from from Venezuela. After that, he,

he, he, didantang on the secutuio. To Iran. Because Iran,

it's 2. 4, jute per day, barrel. Yeah. 2. 2.

2% producting per day 9% suplains to China. Tentto also there

alasan non-miniak, sir. For example, from they're back with Iran.

There are who people who asked to me Pamit, what kind of

the Iran to America in America in it is since repuluss

to 719 if I'maac. Musadik. So, sir, sir. So, man, man, really, still had bitter feeling

to America since 5.3. Ketika, he donkel Muhammad Musadik and he'd ganty with raja.

Ah, that's it's the waybawah America as campion democracy. Because Mossadeg, he donkel as a president,

and he They've been They've got to make-monarchy That'spulal The same isabye Not determal by the people conservative religious in Iran

That's the system Muthra-cans System Teocracy, right? We've We've got to change the system democracy

our system monarchies. Now you want Ganti again system we From what that, what you've got theocrasies So there's beenaeration that long,

hubungan America with Iran, you, Pa. Now, this is it's to the Middle right, because

the war, with the country, the country, it's not acour, because the, because of,

you know, the, hubbunus, yeah. Hubbunan Shia and Sunni. Yeah. So, soot-hmm, so much so. Now, d'allah, negara-teluk this,

protoxy, in the military-in-a-america. So, there's a catagangangangue with Iran. Iran, that he gempur, is a country-nagra-teluk, where the pangala military is there. Alasagna, it's. Now, this, man, pa, can't be able, landscape geopolitic Timur-Tenna, if the war is all-say. How much.

How much more than the world in the United States, which is the United States, or the United States that is going to be able to beckoning it, it will be able to thinkeration, Puckett. Trenata, we're not safe. With the presence of you know, so,

so, probably, nanty geopolitic is, OK, we're still beshabot America, we still amelie, But, We've got to buy up. You have you have technology but don't use,

you know, you know, but it's true. Because it's true, because it's done by Iran, right. They're dilatakan

not by what. And the two, America didn't melendungin it. America suburb with,

with per war in Iran, but not melendung in the negara, the country

taluk that the landam with all this, it will change the political

landscape. in the region, in the future. Pasti, sir. This is, it's notuil, but it's been in the month June, in the year,

but it's in February, in 28, 2018, in the majority in the world, that's not hanged,

that's only Iran, that, it's been survive. So, this, it's,

been, it's very simple, pa, miscalculation. Miscalculation, first, semagat the,

because, He's what? He has to run Height Heightedra Heirah Parlawan Double Nationalism

Plus Belief So I'll give Contesification Ideology Intensipanga Bapap. Bapac Salat in Meshit in

Meshit in There are people from Bapa Mappar Mawr You can't You're lewit In front of the Salat

That is a centrum like this. I'm going to be able to be able to be. Don't go lewate. What other than perpoasas. You're going to be able to. That's one. The two, America's always

barasumcy. I bocote in the country. He's lupes. As long as poxotan, he'll belajured and he'll beaure not we talk about alat-peramp,

talk just a technology civil. Oh, Lord-Bias. It's... You name it. Succo-cadangue cadangue, in production, in Iran, with the price 60% less more. You name it.

Alat what is it. Artiness, it, it's the way to comepans in technology. This, guys. You take on this, guys. You know, I'll take on my. I'll learn. Now, underestimate, the three-miscalculation,

The other than the third is, production Iran. Right, the same or even genus. This is, I think,

Intelligent America and Mossat. Salah. Salat. Right, the number, mownown genus.

The third, patty military. Like, this. Bapah, you know, when he was he'serang

Israel, right? What, he's, that was drone mainan, can,

It's tankis with Serious by Israel, Iron Dome Yeah, Iron Dome, yeah After the Tembuck, menembaugh Echek, it just,

that's been Tartic Military, this, man. This is that you This is the thing that's So, so, so, back.

Yeah, right. So, yeah, so, yeah, so, so, yeah, so, so, but what I'm

I'm going to we're going to under the sunni and Shia. And many people are the Uyghurs Sunni in the Timur-Tenah that's subordination by America's

the U.S.C. And they kind of, it's difficult to menunuching sympathy to be We're nother, West Bank, and other, while, like, and then,

Iran, it's not know, it's more principal in here. And, there's it context of the people,

and he'll malayah, Hamas, and malayah Houthi, and then his mullah. Because

the, the three this, were joan to Palestine. Yes. So, so,

the interlipatian is because the reason to the of Palestine, that's of the people that's the country and quote-and-cote as Muslim.

That's who they're they're saying, they're saying jihad, that's. Yeah, that, but. But,

the country and the other than goutabana Sunni, they always look, oh, he's Sunni. He's shih, he mustiakkan

Kawasa. It's not. The true story, there's a real story, there's a real estate that's true. With the work in the country

and perlacuanic power to beinous in the world Palestine. This is, there's a... There's a... Persoderaan... Persoderaan...

...atas not a... ...butan, butus. ...rata... ...asaaqaqaqaqaqaq... ...and, ...and, perhaps, we're... ...cham can't buy-bye... ...

Mulae that's participative in there, it's got a lot of pranches, Patte, patty. Right, so much as a matter-mata-a-matter-can-a-cate. Right. So, it's matto-a-mata, because they live there.

They practice, can it's principle liberty, egalite, in France, Tibat, he was up, to the country to the Uphositions, the matter of the Uphalans, and in the Ullasana, right, egalitia's illang, libertenna,

it's called, but. So, don't be sure that, this is mattoe, because of the, um, what, uh, idolohi agama that

Esen? No. He, they, Mereka, it's aude, pa. Yeah, in French,

and inmatezsche, and the primates, yeah, termasu, the people, it's the long as you al-ahemini, there'd be educated out,

but that. Yeah. And it used to enjoy the principle, the principle, When he has there's there's people, there'sitist, there's entity that's been able to be able to-deshaken this. That's it. They're, they're not able to show up.

Etiquette marthabat a person Muslim, semestina. So, we don't too beck with dichotomi, Shia, Sunni, and all the hellan. But what, what, is the power? He has a keyakening, then they've been a country other. Yeah. And that's what, I jojali the thinking and idealism of their,

yeah. Yeah. But, but I look at the data, this, yeah, the, the, the, I'm not sure

Pintra a-punned-a-punned-a-pun. And they, to, every time, with population 90-juta, Yeah. So,000 to 350,000 product STEM, science, technology, engineering, mathematics. In Asia, Tengar, that's 750,000.

Yeah. Tyeongk, 4,000-1⁄2-1st5-year, India, 2,2,2. Indonesia, from 750,000 in Asia Tengar, that's only 250,000. Wow. With population 285,000. Iran, with population 90,

could be 1050,000, and universities in there, that's that's great-bishop. Now, this is the underestimate. Yeah. First, sir, they're cultureduring culture-belajar. From before, ma'am. Siap. Don't we've got to look Iran, now.

Five abet before Maashe, ma'i, he's up. He's got to the United. It's about Polopination War five abat before Iba So, ma'am. And,

it's really technology that's been being and rata rata people matimatic

Al Jabar Islam is Iran, Pak. Al-Korishmi Yeah. U. Nih.

Al-Biruni, al-Haitam. Yeah. Al-Biruni is that first time kind of Bermin. Bum,

about 40,000 kilometers. The artiness what, you know, what? Tradition Belachian, Tradition

the same development, people, they're already, but they're yeah. Lull,

because he's, the, the, by hegemonic power, banked to be back.

Yeah. So, so, the, milieu-in- there, and, with the

same-a- thing, that's- men's what you've got taken. This is about book, sir, sir. I'm going to be sure just buchar, in the time 48, before hashe, there's purportaken the bestar in the world, in Alexandria.

Mesir? SIR. Dihantam by Julius Caesar. Gagal, dihantam again, dihantam again. Samppe, the a yearniportez, before Lassayi. gagal, the it's about about the bookucusing

can't be 100,000 to 1,000 that's up that's the world but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, there's one

from Persia that's about which has been much from book of the book that's about. Hmm. That's called.

Gande Shapur. Oh, Gandi Shapur. Gondi Shapur. That's a little bit. and the Persia, the abate the Abate the VIII, yeah, yeah, who's got to, to get to Persia. For the penitain, pedigna,

that's, oh, do you know, if we've got to see a persia from thousands of years until now, so it's not, it, and literati, and literati, and, of, certainly, the way under-documentation, it's not to underestimate.

This is the understained. This is the end uproarice. Yeah, exactly, so. Yeah, right. So, so about education, butcholah,

buddhaer, being taught, yeah, that's being foundation for, is that al-Mak-Mun, al-Mansur,

Harun, al-Rashid, made by Tal-Hikma. Yeah. Yeah, in the time Abasiah. Now,

the last, I'm, what, what, what's what is what's been in Slat-Hormus? This is

And so muchahedonger, Asia Tengarer, yeah. Asia Tengarer, too, consumsy 5-6-6-juta barrel per-hary, yeah.

Minic. Productions our just 2,000, so we have import 3,000, per-hary. Yeah, each liter,

to, we're left slat-hormus, Pak. Yeah. Now, this, can, we're, agga-agued,

with premise that, the stot-hormus, this will beck So that's Soot-hormuzi, that, pergit, pargitta.

So, slat hormones to lewate per day gas, gas, it's a bhaan pupu,

yeah? Bapa can be blererererat will be going to be a global,

because per tallyer, or, sir, but, but, but, we're,

because, What other than the climate change? Like this, Maro Panic. This is not going to be able to beaternity, don't be it's not related to the bidangue it's not about it, Pat. It's just to be iting back, this, Pat. Twenty-po-per-Sane gas,

the world is to bewareststsala-hormos. If it's notar-rude, gas is a badouperthal-aser, how, how much sector, the country and the world's about the world. Musting this, ma'ameteran this, but there's got to-a-old-old-old-rush-na-sabergene. How alternative-na, and so-rush-na, and so-baggain.

Many people, Pa, Salakabra, sal-hormosy that, only beckitan, that's the urusan, yeah. Ah, we can buy mini-a-dry-a-oh, we can buy mini-a-oh. And with bat, parterleysar how, we can't, pa. We can't know how to have with the color galap gulita

but can't even we can't even make one day, if we're not there can't be benzene, we can't, or we can't do you, or we can't work,

but if we can't, but if you're, but if you, production this, consumption this exactly. This is right. Yeah.

But, but it's not but it's not baffa that baffa that men from badamah right. Right, you've already

this, not a pomadaman, blackout. Because it's it's still can't light. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. So, it's how, with, with capacity Iran to can't to the that's unipolarity

yeah, that's the way that we're not able to so that's not the power of the world So if we're So if we're

Pacte, Pa, the war, Iran, America Israel this as a matter, now,

we've been we've been just have been unipolar system that's so set. So set.

So set. But before bipolar, rontok, rancolinging. Muncule unipolar, can. Now, not much. Pelagarin KATHLEENKEDAIN, that America is that America is leaving by secutu Abedo in Europe, Uni-Eorpa. He didn't make makehackack again, can,

to go-womeness. Ketka, he's got to beaughan. He was going to beaughan, right? What is? What is what? America losing the power. No longer hegemonic power, that can be.

The other, Europe, there's no, there, that's, that's, that's, the,

what, the one , the untinged is, yeah, pa, because,

the United Europe, repaliyah, this isra gharagascar all this. What I? The other, that's the other than I'm saying that, the plazarderick of the war, this will make landscape geopolitic in the Tumor-Tenna, will be in the world to be. Now, of course, the kentonauten,

if you know, if you're notary, has been turned to be a pergerusan. Yeah. This, can, can't make them babbubble-butta. Now, how, for Indonesia, this, can't be metit and merawat with everything, so much, so, I think, I'm going to be bop-obok,

I think, I'm going to be able to bea-boh-buck-in-o-o-lisah. It's not quite berisance of diplomacy, but not just to be able to bea-a-larser-a-oh-oh-wonging. But, but there's there's about the country, Pat. So, so don't be it's not, the diplomacy is only monopoly pejambon. Yes, pa. The, where, what,

what we need can't, what, has to do you make them to doplomacy now, not, but just there, but from now on. But it's just to orchestrasy with good and rapy. Like, Bapa, why Singapore is good. Diplomassion is a good. Diplomassion is good. Jalan to where, man, man.

The same thing, Malaysia, sir. I know Malaysian diplomats, many so many times. It's, he's now in Timurtheng, sir. Yeah. Yeah. Meraja Lera. Sampy, there's

still time in Tehran think of three mingu, back. Now, we need

this kind of pattern of diplomacy. Active. Tidacred we're about about Comprehensive,

Pat. Pertamuan this, you had to move, penetrate the negat,

you have to be there. Yeah, you have to be there. But has to be there. But, has to be

orchestrasy pa. Now, maybe we'll do you, ma'amptuant same than we're in. In context this, if you're

sure, if I'm President, I'm not beaubani myelu my, and to be a party. Concentration

in pejambot who can't do because we are not in a good shape in context with the world we are now in good shape

that's the context yeah Bobbaugh as as a manton diplomat the person what can be saying what I'm looking like the 10 years ago

to the years we mustluck has to dexterity geopolitic. Yes. Can't be right un? Yeah.

And this is there's Hongok, there America, there Russia, there Iran, there Turkey and other, this what they can

be learning. First, , man, we're we're we're cuta, our generation,

we're cutact in one discipline, the issue, part, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. The, other, the, the, the, This is the way of what? Try we'llikin,

that there's also this sumber inspiration. Sumber massan-depan, there in China, there in Korea. Why not? If Japan, you've got,

but two the power of this this, that's right, that's why, that's about, if I'm back to the world

when didican, what's the education what is for us to not. not just to be it's downpahua, yeah. Don't take care,

because of the same. India and China, because population is big. That's what we're learning. System pendidikings, how is it for the negasas population, the people who are not yet.

Don't ever we'll learn from Scandinavia, sir. Because the people are small, it's, much, the manage. Yeah. Yeah. India and

Tyeongko Pondodbysar but, that's good, ma'am. Wow. The answeran, sir. Thank you,

we're going to be in penitika, I'm going to with the education. If you're that I'melola talenta, that there

four other way that I'm saying. The first that's that's being brain train. Brain train.

Train. This is Japan, so, the world'sca, industrialization is actually by the other than the people from the people

of the people that's not even school in the world being, that's the landa that's, the brain gain. Australia,

Singapore, America, they go back, the people, people, from the people the people the right, Yeah, Tjongk, Indonesia, majolia.

So, Japan, Australia, is Japan, Australia, the top 10 economies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the third, the name's brain circulation. This is Tiyong, from 2008, to now,

Deng Shipping, to give him, more than 9 million people. Yeah. To learn in German, English, America,

Australia, and other, majoritas, learning, majoritas, POM, majority of, They're

They're back They're upy People's upro. We're using Now, the last Brain linkage This is India 50 years ago

They're giving More than 7 million Majority Belize STEM Majority not But not But not pa But it's justal

Satyana Dela Sundar Pica Yeah Yeah, but every day, they're giving way A. Yeah. Yeah. Parcarned in Kalkuta. Yeah.

Yeah. There'salekin. Yeah. Now, I'm not going to look. Indonesia can't makeandalkan brain train. Yeah. Now, Tidavisle-in, not.

Not to be too much to puttegas hippotisa Bapa. University of Indonesia want to get doesent in the lawminae that's just all right case closed case closed

but if if the university in the world Jawa but to the external they're coming up because they're from

the university that's that good in Jawa But, there not docent, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, is there's not, I'm not going to say, man, sir. There's, no. Sementara university and universities'nouar, yeah,

Sousaerang, who is in Pelosso, Africa, can't be, tibbutt, and from a while while he's not. because he, he's ali, in the people, heh, hajahub, professor's gellarry, if he's,

if he, don't mimpy, he's making ajar, don't mimpy, he's been a university that's that merkelas. Wow. In Jawa.

Peri erroneous, pari-eronic, you, sir, sir, of the people, people who's like people this people

that's people to be to be democratization pedication there there's

in America yeah take St. that if I'm if you get St.

St. D'UUr Souru'an in a time Hart, MIT, and then they're

And they're going to garis, paulay, if we're going to go back here. Well, if we're the same, can't? The same, the first, is that the first, not there's in university that? That's all, Paul. This is, part, diversification, wisdom, right? Why? Why, it's going, sir, ma', gents, ma. and

and underestimate and people else that's not tamad not underestimate becauseola someone that's if they're in the area

he's not capable of that we're to UNUS in Singapore that they're they're coming guru

that's exactly because they're they're making in PRAC exactly exactly, we're we're quite,

so much, so far. Circulation udarie that if you, if you're from the perjurumat-angin the

istila the almsilat you, this is not, sir, ventilations, pa. Bapapap

can check, the ummongan I, not the word, with, with the fact Factse empiric that, Bapa, I don't know. The same I'm saying, what I'm saying?

What I'm saying? So, university-da-a-da-era, not-incentivness, that professioner's the, that's the professioner's, that's a bit ofangat. That, that, ma'et. So, if, ma'am, ma'am, we're just paham. So that's not I'm going to look at

brain gain we have to have got a cuterbuckation. Yeah. And brain circulation. Yeah. Where brain circulation? And brain linkage we can't. Because diaspora Indonesia,

50 years, that's just 250,000. Tioncok, 9 million to the other, India, 7,000. Not be able, we can't, sir, if we're saying with them. If they're a scalaner more

It's more than the last, ma'am. We're not teresa too much more than we. Passan I, pa. So, this is, this is for a person domestic to the people, so that's the intertingalance we're to getterkejaro.

Sobeekness, the government is, I should, as far as far as. And what I've beenaing, Thank you can. Structurbanan, not too much current.

Saliming manhap, saling mennuc, and so many. And that's a burden of, you know, payyahu

President our, mumpum, below two time in this, he's going to make a alignment

new, structure the government. Don't too many, MENTRI, focus just. Why,

What is, sir? I'maum of politic, because party politic, yeah. Yeah, that's just, I, manor of course, right, right. Can we, we're going to carry this. Yeah.

With the other than the wakil-mentary I, ma'am, I'ma'a'a't I'm not too. Because wakil-mentary to beaugh pro-cracy to atas. Yeah. There's my view, but,

I don't know. genuinely, view as a person a worker people who are who are going to make money

to find myself as academician yeah. Warrga people who can't find nafts Tuan

in university Thank you so much Thank you so much Thank you very Thank you. Thank you. Tumman, that's,

Thank you.