Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Hana Ananda: Being an Outcast to Serve the Outcasts

Episode Date: June 2, 2021

Di tengah tren mencintai diri sendiri dan saat kita sibuk beraktualisasi dengan kelompok masing-masing, apakah kita mulai kehilangan keterampilan untuk mengasihi orang lain tanpa memandang siapa dan dari mana mereka berasal? Sebuah kisah tulus dari Dr. Hana Amalia Vandayani Ananda (Mama Hana), pendiri Yayasan Pondok Kasih mengenai panggilan mengatasi kesenjangan sosial dan kesenjangan ideologi.

So just if we're one, and to one's one of the world of the same, the last one of the last year of the four, that's the right ofiatan by the hummed, the bigac-sanan in the world, and that means we have to be working on the government,

we're doing with all the community and we're together and we're together and we're together goal, that, the adioling for all the society for the community.

This is NG. Hi, Hi, my, my, my, we're here we're coming from Hanna Ananda, or who's who's oftened because MAMAA Hanna, as a founder of Yayasan Pondok-Kasih. Ibu Hanna, Slamat Pagy, Papa, and,

thank you, can be here in our our time and I want to hear, this, that's very much about the time I'm going to ask about the small

I'm going to be in Surabaya, in the 10 November, in 44, and that's with on the High Lawan. Silakan, Buk. Let's tell you. First, I also I'm going to say thank

and one of the one of the privilege that I can for I can be to be part-to-belled in in one podcast class that's very prestigious. So thank you,

for the time for the time that's given to to be able to give you in what I'm doing what I'm doing. Amen. I'm from from a family that's not able. My dad's my own work that's a person who's a person from the government, so he's just as a clerk or a person or a employee administration that's.

And we have five of three brothers, with one of the family that's that we have been able to work that's quite and I know, from the small I'm still, I'm still think that I was born in one small in the Gunguptu, but with with six of the mother's and Ibuoy, and Ibu's very much for being

to be more than, so in the time When that, people who were in the people who were in the world in the world that's not going to be able to be itmating. And Ibu, I'm going to be able to get one one of the house in there to be able to be able. So we've made a little, I'm still remember,

I'm first we can be able to be in the house, but because of the because of the revolution that, the other of our people I'm from the Toulogu, and to Dugue, and to Dugue,

they're from Dullogu, Purgue to our home. So, the room we're getting full so, because there are, there's four, the family, with their, thinkal, together with us,

in- So, all the room, in-bott, in-bott, so, yeah, all, do, but, because, I, I'm, I'm,

I'm not many, so, I'm back-in-a-l-lackan, on the back on the other, in the left, so that I'm not the other, so that I'm not as if I'm going to know, we'd have to be put on the wrong ranjahs all the place in the depati. And, because of that,

can, people who I didn't live, with them with the people of, with the people of the people, so we have to bekerja very, we're working, to get aft,

and my mom's, I also made up to do with my mom my mom's and from the other than from the other. So from from, we've got to beauched, we've got to be able to be able to be able to be. If I don't have, we have to have a room of learning, so, maybe, it's not ever been here. The way of the way of the bar,

so there's, there, the house of keros, that in my room, who's july, then to have initiative, to make up to the room in the dalamia, in the dalamia. So if we want to move to the room of lajure, we, we need to goon,

and then move to genting, then we pass on the gentinging that's put on a pampan that, so we'll belazoned in there. L'u'll bechaikung, with the genting that atopal, that's up to be able to learn. So, that's the kind of our,

And we have to jacet, when the v. The vassing jahitn't is used to be used to be able to be able to do. So, we're from the same. It's from the same thing. School? Where, B.D. S.MP? Yeah, school. S.D. in the country. S&D. in the GEN.

Then, I'm SMP. I, also, in the country. Then, in SMA, in Erlanga, that's swastah. Lalo, as I've been lured as M.A, I've been able to be able to school because I've got to find out. I'm trying to work, because I'm in a year, I'm 10, 11 years, I've been able to be able.

So, at the time I class 1, SMP, I was just done jade the gown-pankan. So I'm still in a little bit of little, has to have to buy up to buy up with a while I'm going to buy that's for me. So, that, I'm going to do with me. So, because I'm going to do with you guys, because we don't have, but when I do, I look at my father, he was, he said, he and he says, you know, he has to be able to stay school. So I'm going to be able to work. So, So we've got to work as well as far as far as far as

So when I'm at the faculty as well, I don't have textbook So with that I've been from one to the man to the man, then I'm back again, then I'm going to be it. So I just have made ring-assan that. So in the time of the last I just had only I'm not even I've got to book, when I was in university.

I'm going to be in university Petra, for Sastra, but it's a bit more bad for me. At least, at the time Midia Mandala was to open, in the Keduroan Pahasa English, and I'm going to go to Egypt, so I'm going to beaiccett. I'm from Midia Mandala,

the russan person Pahasah English, that's the matter of the I like the other than I like I like I'm like I'm saying I like. I'm sorry to like. What I'm actually is, the law and anthropology. I like to make people who are important. I like to make sure.

And I like to know, I want to be a king or that but that I'm going to hear from the people that I, he said he said he made a that there's not even there's that's just to not in the lawynguant to do not even in the same,

even with, even though I want to take what I'm saying my and the people who amin my so that I'm going to bring the jurusan of English that actually I'm not vassi same, but because I have a strong determination.

I have a strong determination. Obviously. Obviously. So, so I'm learning what I'm going to be taught in school and beacred to teach them. So that's all right. Wow. You did it.

And lulose? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. In S-3, too, in Singapore. No, that's for that, theology, ma. Oh, theology?

Wow. So that's actually, I actually, from there from there. Okay. But, Ibu, I'm underita

the usia 15 Yeah, that's, how that can be what, yeah, change the way of

your and pola of So, so, so I'm in a time I'm

that, I'm going to get-golong, if I'm having to That's, I'mangue, if I'm just like, because I'm not going to be able to be. So I'm going to say, because I have been saying that. Because I have a commoan so that, I'm so I'm very much.

But when I was about 14 years, I was about I'm about obsessive with the death from my mother's my. That I can say it is like a magnificent obsession. Because with obsceny, I'm not having the I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not even can't say that's why I'm going to be able to, so even when I'm making sure that's not even damey.

So, one-ketechah, I'm going to part of badeh, and that's the first time I can't feel kind of the demarcation. And when I was committed to mehut. for I can know God and I'menarer. And I'm from the little bit of the community, although we're living in a small, but we're not trained to bekerjured, and bifur and bifur and shaned our lives,

we've never heard. I don't know any kind of words, that's notar, or umpatant from my parents'a. So, so I'm going to be able to be able to learn kebranaran. And at that's it's not even if I'm not even though. So I'm not having to worry about. I don't know what I'm thinking about. Because of the same, I'm going to be.

But when I was going to be in university, I'm going to see to meet Mahasurya, yeah. When that was not a certain, latihan military, you know, when that when I waso. And when I was just realized that I'm underdritas had one of the disease because my back of my life, I was like sicked I was like to leaps.

So if I'm going to be, I'm going to be, there's like, tulang, I can be able to be able, what, what, the,

that's, that's, it, like, like, that's, like, I'm not

able to I'm going to make up the suram of the doctor, I've got to the doctor, there are acly, archaism,

many of many people, at all the other people, in the room of the same jama'amonged, where my father's work. And when the doctor, said, this is a new. He's got to be, if it's just a single,

then, it's been, in, it's, the, sendy my, like, rengang, like,

rengan, like, to leapsed with, that one, can be able in operation local, and that ligament is to be able to be. But because ligament I was in the whole body, so it can't be operas all.

But then, I can't, you know, Bap, I can't see how much peniatic my painerick my inspiration that then I'll have done in the planarer. Because my heart, I'm nothergene, B'u, B'am. Nant, at this I can't be able to be able to be able to be, that we're like that can't really like that can't. So, after I'm going to run out of the other, the doctor not can't bring one of the other,

I'm going to be able to go to doctor. Namain, Dr. Abdul Saleh, I'm also in mind, Abdu Salé. He's very much of the disease I, so he's been litigy in the percussed at the Erlanga, at the university, and then, and then, in a few weeks, She's to make up to hear me.

Then she's heard of the patient who's coming to me, he said to me, he said, Hannah, I can't say, I'm going to learn from you. I've been learning at university for some of the time this, it's a lot of a very time. And it's a lot of the same, that's a pain, it's a pawean,

and the pain that's not to beaughan and there's not to be it's nothered, and there's and that's nothered, and to comeeroy the heart, and to kind of the heart, because of my heart of the other, because of my life, so, it's like,

in, in the, in the ludor, it's like, there's like a lumbing, like, like, like,

like, when I'm going to, I'm going to, that I'm going to that, I'm not, I'm not really, I can't say that I can't say that I can't. So, when I was the doctor's not saying,

so that the doctor's not that can't be senting one week two to make him to kill you and that's a life that you have to be alive. I was at that, the doctor's not even though, but the doctor's not just manned up to the body, but because of my body, this is allure, he's tambourous, because he's talking with generalis,

so much as well as well, and he's not, she's just, yeah, so maybe he'd be able to be able to be able to beck, and I'm actually put up, doctor, I'm actually mehap. So I'm just from the resenangangue I've been on the bishop that I'd like, and I'll end up, and I'll call again, I'm going to be a then I'm going toa.

Then I'm rasa, tugu's good for nothing, only a gungucus that's not because I'm not being because of work on the way, if I'm going to take care, to do you know, I'd be able to do with, but I'm going to take a spedia, for I'm going to bring up to the other than I, because I thought, how much, I think, sir, because I thought I'm going to try

to make up and make uphebure or to make upheumat-on-on-lawed, and I've got to run-jangangangans, that's room that home, that's in the room of the world, I'm going to beauntled, I'm going to go ahead, I'm going to doaki, and I'm going to dogged, and the body of Siref, it's the way, and back in Baja and in a second, when there's a woman, he went out, and I'm going to doackan the son-in-ya-and-bush, not-bis-jail.

And we, when we were a lot of young, one, we're both days. But then, I've got it's about it's about it's about it's about it's and that's actually being, angus, angus, I'm going to have a resumboan, Bapha. So, I've got to be able to be able to be able to make, because sum of my own, there's cancer, to be there that, so I'm going to lump up total at the ucian 25 years.

So, only the capital I just that's just that's going to beckxed. But when I was, I'm going to be unsure to God, by the Lord, and that I'm going to say, I want to give me to live my life for I can't live in the world of people that are in the plow, the world that's perennel. Memo, from the other, I mean, from the ethnology, I love, I'm a lot of people who are people in the area of thezel,

when I was, I've got to ask for some, and I was a person a woman who's about the people of the world of theobesil, but I'm a bit of my mother's because I'm, I'm a lot of cungingue from the people, so I work for menaccahy the young people. And I'm going to say, if you've got, you're going to be.

But I'm going to be with a person person who'shaal who also didn't make in in in favor of the way. But, but God has given my 30 years after I'm in the church, because I've had been given my opinion, sir, I've been able to be able to to beill in the people who are people. And, I'm not making people who are men who are men who are men who.

For me, it's one of the chaguenots. Because that is my opinion this. This is about Surabaya just. Yeah, at the... first time, in Surabaya, it's probably, I've been said again in the pastime, in the time I'm going to be able to bea-anjara, I'm doing.

I've done for all kinds of people. When God called me to layen to people who's people. And he said, what the bodoch for the world, it's beelied by Allah, to beauling the bigac, who is kind of for malcolm, who's imprimalue, who's not even heard this, he said, but he said, but when it was just, like,

in the pastime, he just wait and see. And then he's a person a man who's to make uphearer all of myawasan to move up to layan my, to what I'm doing what I've done what I've done what I've done what I've done. So, God made me with me with a woman who is in the front of the church of my, and he doesn't like the commas not even when it's not even when you're not, if I'm going to be a while,

so I'm not too much too much with him. But one-ketech, like, God perpicarate in the heart of my heart of me, and perketeer, and per-torn I'm going to be in the front of the church,

not one even per-puner-due to me, and not one even even even to tell about about us. to the people who are the people who amos in the war. And I'm going to say, we're going to be able to be able to meet with a woman. And when I was I'm going to say to God,

God, let me look at me look at me as to me look at me, give them to give you the heart that for me belacquesque for I can't give them and I can give them hand to me to me to me to me look them and they can I've got to say that I'm going to have I'm going to have, B'amish, I can't really be able to be able to be able to be a call, with her, I'm looking at a while, I'm going to be able to make sure,

I'm going to say, God, God, God, if I'm going to say them, if I'm going to say them that's by God. And it's been a while someone of the wheymes of all the because of the time for the other than I'm going to say. Yeah, yeah. Bluarsa. So, so I've got to be able to give you on the first time I'm going to

just, maybe, money a little, that's just for money to make a day. But if I've brought you, one-long-mast-a-mast-a-lop-a-bable, and you can get a little bit of themat. So the long-a-keteer-one. So the long-caught-kechee-allem-a-one. I was going to come to be a great thing. When I brought him in the church, there's a friend I, I brought him to do with my bedside of my.

Because I, I'm usually in the case of my husband, I'm going to visit with my husband, so I'm going to sit there for me. When I'm beseiked to him, that I want to give, me, give, and I'd give you to give you give them, and then he's not a room like this. Then he had to open the dompet he,

he's out of one check, one-chuta-rubia. I'm just that's just that that's true. It's just because of the first of the first from very small beginnings. So as a sudden emiss that, and I can't be able to give you nauged to make of the people, people. I have my

people have been a bit of the part of the time, there's a bit more than repasks can't ginsin berliania. When we're going to doleysaicant, there are a bit of heresioner to do you sell

atop-na. But, the area that we tempati for Panty vanula we, is a area that's really very and not too welcome, not too muchay our own

and that's the problem. And that's the problem that's the first. But in there, we've learned, we've learned many things and I'm seeing the power of God that's great. But maybe this is a little too personal to speak about, so I said that we're going to, that's about. Because

when we're doing, because, when we're going to get a place, God put up to the other place, so I'm not even about it. I've been able to be a bit of a lot of the other than back to Indonesia in 2009, and I, in 2009, that I, I'm in fact that, I'm getting

a person, God, for how I can make I can make a plan for layman and what will be that in, if, if, if, in my, if, in my, because I mean, there's a book Y, Y, I, and Y, Y, I'm 60, so,

in the world in the world, and I'm backhikyka to people, it's like to be brought to the rain, and the other things that can be able to be, that never I've been able to be. And it's not a bit of a bit of it, so that I can get aquehance of the banks of, so I'm very many times,

containers, to rations. Wow. At a time, that, that's like, in 2009, 2009, 2001, after the time of Tsunami Achea, that's 4,000 containers. So, until the time before tsunami Acheh,

this is I said, maybe, that's not in the record, yeah, so, because I'm doing too much, and there's also, and there's also, why I can't get helpan. I'm not from the other country when that time,

but, but Firman, Tuhan, can say, I'm aliccaiate to you. And when I'm from where I gettaicayan, but if I tell you, I'll get back it's not going to get a container that, so that's actually, in the time Acheid, there,

tsunami, I have had 1,125 containers that can't I can't beaacred, because too because it will be musnacaned, because we can't be able to demurages, that, Papa. But when the time there's tsunami in Aceh, I'm going to go to Osseh in POSCO, in tsunami, that I've got to have 125 containers to send them to help them. I've got to help us.

Wow. So, you know, it's not a mustahil, mustail, that. But when I was already menjali with sub-Muslim. That's maybe, if I, this, I'm going to be a little melampalphal. You, I... No, ma'am. No, ma'am. It's all right, sir.

So I can't really, I'm going to beauntled, in the 1990s. So I've got to, there are pengu-emis, pengu-dak-tank, there menjahed-hach, pengamens, pungu-sampah, that's borghumped in my house. I mean, the room of mysking, for the children, I'm building a small-mings-a-mugue,

then, the children-in-a-law-eas, then, I'm-bub-a-must, who want to beckxed-lis-and-lis, but, but, by the way-and-were-and-law-and-law-e-and-law. But, but when, you're-must-mus-comus-coms, that's that's going to come in the middle. And then, after they've been making them to leave. I'm not only the last time they're

with me, so it's been able to be able to be able to be able to be and when I'm having been with us. And when I metrimmed, man, men, men, and, then, people, people who are people who, and then I'm going to remember I'm going to have by the way to have to have by the

to the time I'm in my time I'm in my life I'm in my life I'm in my body that I'm going to come up to the room I'm coming to. There's one of them that one of them that, I'm sorry that I'm supposed to, I just remember my,

and I'm sorry, my, and I'm and she's a little bit more. So, so that's just making me think about them making them contract. After we contracted, the husband I got to come, you know, you can't, that's not, and that's not being.

And, until now, it's just a place it's like heaven, for the other, the children that's actually inaborsican. So, so we're overlaid, with one per one, with one, but I'm looking at one, but I'm looking at the door that,

Soh, so much that's about it, then, that's about it, but I'm going to get back, so you know, I said that's about, the matter of the United States. It was in November, and it was in Surabia,

then, melebara to Javut. Then, in 2007, there's a crisis monopal that's all over having to beckoning, humiskinan.

98, it's just only to beckar to Javentah. 98, there, there was curusufuson in Jakarta. That, B, Bafat, but I'm from the Uythans, there's

after ethnic, there's anti-agamah, there's inter-agamac, there's any conflict in many-manahs, Hambon, to Papua, that. And, at that time 1999, I was, in the 2008, that was at a time

was there was during curahara and more-biasa in Jakarta, soingka, so, all of people, the people who were given to be from the Jongwa, too. When, that,

when I was born to America, and we also made a room in there. So, my husband said to me, if you're going to go back, I'm going to go, if you're going to go, if you're going to be, and I'm going to be there in Indonesia. And when that, God parro to hand

me to buy people to buy people. And was a lot. But it's a bit, but that's one breakthrough, Bap. So, when I was carried in my heart of my time, I'm going to bring up to 5,000 people. I just to make up to make up to make, I'm in the rank of the month December, so in the rank of the setiaquemannes social national,

that's being in November, and for Natal, so I'm going to, so as I can't general, you can't, but that's in the way of the same way, the social national. And then, so I was in December, I, I went to Guatemala. In Guatemala, I'm really had a transform community.

Papa, Bahamas, in America. I was going to come back to America in the United. Because we stopped in there. Then I want to want to thank you. There was a lot of blessing that made for God. I got back in the backer. I have taken to as well-as-comunas.

Before, we sold lashing, money, for help people who can't buy them, can't be able to be. They're going to buy. We have that's like that. But when American, the American, that was in 2008, we've made,

we've made money, he's making money, for money, for the time for five days. And that's, he got permission as well, they've done to do.

And I want to thank I, I'd be happy in Los Angeles, and I'm going to thank you, without appointment because I can't make an appointment. When I was about what we'd have to be in the school

in the school in the Colong Jembatan, we'd bantanth, we'd bantuantaned not can't beaer, and I'm looking to be able to get a doctor. And at this it's going to be a smallan, so it's only to be able to be abadah. Because they didn't get it in the Deregatia, Bapa. So they're justing they're with, with the tass, and bowing their and spoutes of their, who didn't take to the spatoo,

And didn't get up at the room in my. So they're going to come up to my house. So, by the time I was to go to come back to the section in there, and I must be asked to mendop the penurbanon to come down. For the day, I must be back. And then, after, we need to be to section. And then, we'll say, we're going to come to be airport, to tell, by pastor of the potan, from World Blessing.

He gave one person, the dollar the first I was taken, which is $5,600, which is $1,500. That's $1,500. I'd be back for $6,000 people. And, without such as to be a russuhan. I always say, God, God, I've been a lot of the way, that we're going to endang people who miskin, people who are in jalan,

where people who are puta, people who chacred, so that God want, more, room, ma'amu. I pray, and I ask for Tuck, for God, for God, and in the town in the same of the same week, for them give them to give them to them care of them, and make up to bring up to them from the people,

I'm going to work with the people from the city. So, the people who are not going to be able to work, that we've been to come from around. And until in this, if we're going to be able to be able to beware, the rice that's not bared to. In the pastime, this, if I've heard of the day, Every day we layenie 24 We're like 6,000 communities, 6,000 communities,

and children, but that's, until today I can't, I can't liveereran people who are amazing for communities. That's the way, this is, you'll be able to, this, you'll be able to ask for me when interview, can strategic, yeah, sir. So, how about the way is that?

It's not even I may be able to be able to be with the Muslim Muslim in communities. Yeah, ma'am, ma'am. It's a hard, really. We've got a duduahingization and what other. But I've got to make, that's the turning point. I was, I've done before I've done when I was about when I was going to be to be to make of 5,000 people.

I've got to get up to one. I'd buy a place in Gooseet, that, I've been in the penjara, I'm giving them for the people, I'm going to end up to go toko-tok-agama because we're in the way to bring in one organization of the Kreeza, the name is Bama, Badamu Kyiapara-antangar-A-Raeja, so I've got to come upro-a-gama,

and as soon as the people become to get me to make up to social together, like that. When we did, we've made, what, for the people that, we've got to social, and in that I'm going to be a community Muslim that's Muslim, that's not much the formulahness, because it's important from the two people,

both from us, by the same, by the Muslim. We're both, so the part of my and the Muslim that work with me, I'm getting from the church, the people who are the people who are also made up front of the Muslim. How, ma'amah? Can you can't be able to becubate from the chastrani and the Muslim? Because this is hard, it's very much

be percepticant as a way of christianization. No, but they're now can't, I'm sure that, I'm saying, if I'm saying, if I've got a lot of people, I've said, I'm saying, I've got a trust. I mean, I've got a trust. but not even has got their trust. I've got their trust.

So that's the way. It takes time. They need to make them to make sure to make sure that I'm going to be able. So that I only launch love, Bap. So that I've always loved love, Bapa. First, with full of the curingana, this is written by Baja, this is a great-bursed, and when the panti jumbok us, to come up,

we have to come out of the party, from the Utti, there I'm going to say that we're not going to say, we're not going to be able to be there, and I have come out of the time for me, and I'm going to go out of the party, I'm going to go out, I'm going to go out. I'm going to say, if we have to go out, we're going to but in the day we'll have a man who can't get a man who I don't know

that I'ma I'maqas and he's gotaked, I'maqa he's at the front of the room, she's, I'm a man, why not I'm sorry that's been in-massanagued, I'm just being in-massanagued

I'm taking the of the young, I'm looking at a other, but why he's just he masan and then he's saying and then he's if there who can't

be able to mack-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. come to come to come back. That's about it. So that's like that's not too much. But when we're not yet, but when we're not allowed to come Madura is true for us. Madura, can't be able to be.

But I'm going to join the the other one that's not only the time but at the time when they look it can't make one of the whole good. Finally, they who in Madura want to be a good one to behunging with us. I'm notepidate from

other people, with one of the different people, then we've got, we made, we've done, we've done with five years, we've got helpan containers many times again, that I've given them.

So, if we're back to Acheh, I brought soldiers Muslim to go to the Bessit, Bessit, I've brought, for the Christian, and we're both, we're both, together. With, same, same,

and that, perus, man, Yeah, one of the chalinacal that we're not can't even to make them to rankle their, like I said there, there's a resanganguanguels, kaysenny and miskin,

and kesenjointed, that'saeranguology, that'ser that's all from all the conflict. I think, not just in Indonesia to the world, that's actually.

But we can't be just through with the people people. So I can't be able to beulking, that with the people who,

people with the same-and-a, that's that's because I'm having to be able to be it, because of the sameurant-tukes, I can't make sure that's a lot of, Muslim, even in the group of radical, who, in Jakarta, where we can't do one, When we have no, three. We're so much of course. Bluarsia.

Bluhrbara. I want to ask a little. This is, this, this, but, but, reaction that's the of the people from from the

beginning, when you've started many of the social this. If you, if you're my first time,

that's my my, because, for the people who's like to the area of Pumu he's kind of a bit of a bit more but because my wife's like my own company she has been in Jakarta

one week he's in Jakarta, one week he brought to Surabaya. At a time he was in the same time one week he was going to be to belaying. At the end up until she had before I had been in the room I was, I was

I can't do with my wife my own to bellany so much as well as for my husband's. I had to submit first my husband. And when I'm not atahy, I did not do any other than to say, to love for my love for my love for my love for. And I'm afraid, Bapa.

And atas ranjan of my life that I'm getting from my husband's. I mean, I'm going to be able to be able to be. At least, I'm going to beattie. But I'm going to beattie, but maybe the body I'm not even. I'm a second one-sacetka, then, doctor, didn't even make a pain mypresentation, maybe I can't even haveas. And when I was sick and I curruths again,

and then my husband's my, he'll look, he'll make up, he'll look at my hand, he doesn't, you know, if you want to be in the room of the same, it's all right, it's a perlonjack. So I can't. So I can't even in the room of a little because it's my calling, that's my calling, and I can't do that.

And that he's He's not even if I'm at my life. So that, the, the, people are people who, for me as well as to be as well as I'm having that's much, that's very much that I'm paying. So I'm very much,

How much, but? My son, my son, but I can only one. But I can also have Pantan, Bally, and my son, and the other and the other, and the

child was also in America, so, so, yeah, But I'm like my child, because from the child, he'd know, even say that's my calling from God that I should serve. Okay. But I also got a tantalantan from the church, Bapa. Now, tell you two, sir, ma'u.

Silaken. I'm from a church. That's from the church that's traditional, Bap. I'm from a church that's a very traditional, where a woman cannot be able to teach. That's a very traditional, Baja. That's very traditional, Baja. And in one of the same, there was a lot of people

can't even if you can't check, there's greeca, to be the people who are people who are people, that's being used with the layanerah. So I'm going to playana Maria. That's the person of Maria. So, waria, want to make a holiday. And then I'd be made, if they could, that, that name, it's, what, name is,

and when I'm hibun them, and the time I'm hibunwari. that's first of January, I'm in 2004. I'm looking at the time of their because he, I'm going to ask you, and you're in my heart of my eyes. That's right in the al-a-of-you-you-it-law. Because you are precious in my eyes, I do that love you,

and I was looking, I'm in the world, I saw, I see, I'm going to look, I'm looking at the people who area that Now they're saying that I, while even though, even, but God, but God, and he's not even for the world and died for me. And in that I made for people,

for people, but I was making natal for the people in the same in 1994, but when I was there, I'm going to be people in their church, so I can't even in their, I didn't even make them from the church Catholic. Because I was working with Catholic, when I was in 2004, with Emma, because I'm going to be in myattuck.

So that I started with Greciate Catholic. I came to come from aungan from a union of the church. But the Gereja, I can think that that's the big of the government, Bapagher. So I'm not being that's not the under the Grecian and that's the challenge for me to be an outcast. You must be an outcast. I also became outcast in Grecian.

So that's over the way of the Muslim. I also have got a patangang for if I'm going to Muslim, because I'm going to go to the hood of the Kepalya. I'm going to show and I'm almost like a lot of Muslim, because I'm going to go to the area of Muslim. And I'm looking, if they're really, Bajaicap, and they're also in hargay. So I'm going to get to the places that

that's almost never been by the non-Muslim, that they can't. But I just have one thing in my heart. I just have love and I want to love them. Hanyi that I see that it's the first time it's not that they're trying to be, but long as long as they've seen, and this, the church has already

how much of the interming of the lawyman this, because we have madeghergues to come back to get to be with them. So this is because of the people of people who are people with with the same thing that, if you know that's the seven spheres, where we can bring the people to come up, we're going to go to be able to people,

we're making people, people, people, people, talk, to go agama, academicians, and then, also, what, and if this all of the down, to be down, I think there will be no problem, Borgue. But that's the problem that's the problem that's the social, there's the heretoing,

the kentherombole of that. I mean I'm saying, where I'm saying, Islam is that is submission to God. That means I could be considered a Muslim. You said that. Yeah, because you submit to God. That's true.

That's true. That's interesting, ma'am. that's very universalist. And I'm doing a better than the kind of to make up to un-asicay-can but it's much of a lot of perceptions. But, Ibu, in several decades or the time this, can be able to

be able to be in Asrani, the people in the Qum Muslim. This, I'm curious, how this can be expand, you can, for the benefit of national? because of the beaicaan our kind of kaias and we've got to beaicahshae and we've beena a story that's quite in 2000 years

this, so that this can be inatt can't to all the world in Indonesia, the kaian our own. Yeah. Yeah. So I can, because I know with my father, and with there's many conflict, crisis, I'm because I have

I have been around-saintopan, I'm rancoled them so that we're doing it. And I've done it's not only in Jawa Timur, but barang-bantuan I've got so that in 2004-2005 that I've been baffiranguantuan we, hampic in all the provinces in Indonesia, Papa. And then, the par par paratocan agamah, I'm also, I'm ajaicat, I've got to Jakarta,

I can't know-can-in-lawed, and other, other, so that I didn't get to 2014, I got to get satia lanjana from the President, so I was curious. I thought, but I thought, what I did not do. What I do with what? The same thing I'm not going to get, that I think I'm getting, I'm getting up to get up, because of how you can't bring up to people people who are people, and they were curious about it.

Now, that I said, because I, I think, I'm going to hard to them. Now, now, now, now, if you're well, they're from from here, so I'm from here. So, I've said, if there's a day of the education national, I've been doing education, there's a lot,

I was being with them from the university, my father. And then, who've ever, I've, I've, I know, 18 years,

because this this is the secretary who, in New, the time, He said, he said, he said, he said, he said, Mama, he said, about 18, because I was from I was from 18 years.

Now, that I was that I brought, I thought what I brought, I talk about Pancashila. So I speak about Pancel everywhere, where, to where, until this time you, if we can doa, five agamah in Jakarta,

that when I did make a massal, that time 2015, and I was due to be tutu by the U.S. Because of the people who are that's about people who can't get a lot of people, that's hard to get rid of the U.S. And that's hard, and that's really difficult to get in fact.

How many people who are? 5,000-15 pasang. That I started to make up in 2001. I was 17 years. I'll have done to do. So, first, the first, I'm going to make up until

the casuan of our Christian. who's-miscan, that's not even has made up to make sure that. Latured, then I'll also have arthur-larsarer-lars-a-lars-lars-a-lars. Lally, the last year, from our sonarer of our people, who, made up, oh, and, why, only the person person, we can't make lintas-agama. So for the first time, 2004, we did make nipatelimpsagam.

That's 150-passan. 1, 150-passan, I didn't even be succuby pavent for sale. I just can't even be able to bea-sure. And when they're up with the papuania, with the way of the paramedia, I'm sorry, I can't even if I'm going to buy the matinee. There's association, there's associations of api-itana, the association,

the insuffer, persons, parolaten, perinicayment, and I'm going to get recommendations from the government because they want to do with usurpant, because they're going to ask themanty, if they have had a person who has been given, the government has the people people. I'm going to be able to be able to be able to make up.

We've got to come. And all the salon in the court of Surabaya, all of guillazes to make them hanged minorsin it, so they've been so much as we've made that we've been the papalown magistrate by papalicota. Now, from there, the niquet, masel of our own. At last time we made the same, that's in Kapal Selam. Kapalalal, then I had, I had, I had already, Fajri,

Fajri, that's section of the FHR. The President, the Urumbe. Okay. Yeah, that's the pinnation of Imam Bhrushche-Hakim, yeah, Lufti-Hakim. I was by the impinanthri Indonesia. What was the name? Santee Indonesia. Now, when I was in the place in Michigan, Masel,

she said, ma'am, why, why make in Surabaya? Coo-Piccairé, so it's got to be made it national. For 1,000 pasang! 1,000 pasang! To do you're overbara. If you're not so, if you're going to do. One way, it's hard. I was going to doxar-lake-old for our auntie of our own,

18 people, that, it was about 2-hawks, we've got to be able to pay them to be able to do notep 100,000, to 7,000,000,000,000, from there's no way. It's no way. So, so I know, so that's the way, so that's not even when I think about 1,000 people, but when I'll ask you, if I'm going to ask you, because I'm going to say, because I share the people. If you want to make movement,

if we want to make a movement, we can't make your vision. So I agree. So I'm talking, I'm going to be here. There's people who are making 2,500 passang. I have, that's sponsor for making 2,500 pasang. It's happened to 4,451 passang, it's the year in the year 2011.

But it's still still been to the government. To end up to make up with a newly China, I'm with the same thing to last year, in 2015. And in that, I'm going to be with together with military. If 2011, I'm having together with same as well as well, but now with military,

because when that, you know, that's about it, Busticelurah, Samat, that's money, all, Papa. Ullung, all the money, and it's all of them. And it's been sent to, that he had the military to make a place to make them, Bapa. So, military made up there.

And when you, in the same incident, the military that all came tumbled, and when we're up and they're making up, we'll ask, I, I'll ask you to doa with a while. Nanty, we're doing to doha, and then we're giving up to be given to be Muslim. But I said, Bapa, we've got, we've got, we've got to be given.

So if they're in the way, if they're doing the leader, I don't know how many, they're talking about, if there's about military. If there's a religion, there's an aga-can-hatt-tangang. Who, a god, God, can't be. So, and that's about five agamac. So, if you're doing that, that in 2015, that's in the time that, that's true, that's the law of course,

that's from the world of compil, yeah. And in here, What's wrong? Yeah, five agamahed in one way. And when I was, I actually, I was before that I had to be in the men'sos, yeah, Bafat.

And when there's rapids, and I was about the RAPS that I'm going to HKS that I'm just to bringeran myself, I'm bringing, I said, that's the last at the Komenos, I said, I can't do I'm integrating this in the case of Kempansos

in the Kegasn. So, can't be able to, but it's like, you know, Mr. Andy, that's, the way of it. You can't, you know,

the time. The idea of the U.S. Netshaean, Bapa. I'ma. I'ma. Pirsah, five-aguelan,

and five pasang. But, because, that's at the last, the U.S. Inis, St.R.S.

Naya, that I've got brought five pasang, from Buc, Christian, Catholic, and Islam.

I also brought in there, but didn't I've got to be it's not yet, so I've been used to do. So, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, but at least,

but when the time the shower's going to be, but at leastanky, tanki from the military, to be able, what, name, the forge, yeah, for the Kling Isora, that one of the Umpara, I came to say, come to me,

where, that, you know, and that's-pacan, may, we're gonna get-a-carat, to the top of the compas. So that's about it's on the top of the top of the kirki, and in karak, it, the lilling, the story that, that's not being put in the place, it's not as much of the people,

the word of the word. I'm like that. I'm also simply simple of potonging compas yet, and after that I'm being by deputti from Kemenos, I'm not going to make it, Ibu, HAN, not for Jakarta and Surabaya, make for national, throughout Indonesia. I'm we cast, mix, national, and tango national,

and I've been taken KSN in 2015, in TNT. And the opportunity, it's interesting, yeah, but it's not. But I'm not really, because there, MAHRAR, that. I thought Mahar, that, Belis, that. You know, that's. So, you know, so. So, you know, so. So, you know, so.

So in the area, if you look, if they're in the area, the Upherson, and Kupang, it's in the area of Christian, but they have had to, if they're, if they're, if it's, it's, it's more, more. And it's, it's more.

And it's more, more. And mahar, it's, can't be puloan sapti, pulloan hudan, so hudder, more than they're able to be able to them and lary, and their,

they have their life has their birthsir, not have to have after. If you're not having arthur lyrn't, now when I was given to the right, I'm going to have been asked me. Because they, before nikahadat, even before marriagea, poor, while at all right, all the same way,

all right, so that's there, so that's in there, if there, if they're not being able to be able to beacques in the greeza. If they're not beacred in gregard, they're not able to be able to do, uprable, suba, Flores, Pupang, it's many of the children that many of the lives.

When I searched in the computer, at Google, I got to get up Australia, the million missings of Indonesian children. And they want to help Indonesia to makeuruskate aftelagin. And that I have, I've got all of all the data that.

So, that I'm going to say that with you with Monsucoviva, I'd be able to help you help me as well as well as far asan-as-a-kid. I'm getting me, I'm going to be sick. And after I'm having me stressed, I also got to start a sudden-a-one. I was going to be able to meet with me. And I'm going to have to be able to be.

And I said, when it was, then, can't be. Then, when you've got to ask me with me, I'm not yet I'm in the time of five men's right to make sure. In one week, I've got to get the number of people. And that's, I have to know, I've been a story. I've been told me a story of all.

Five men's, did adder to one member of the time, that's the first time, the country social, not can't be able to becapil. Because of ducatil, is the area of the country in the country. So, Bufa, Hivah, Havis, only to be able to detects, this is a person. then the Uttalbara. in the Utti in the Utti,

because I'm perjonging the law that, the two, who can't get act of marriage, has been a good, the METRI, Pembertian, manita, and burlundungan ananan.

Because this is about civil, misham, yeah, be hukum, and this, because this, this, the law, musi, matric, agam,

then, the, one, the, when, the, Mucu, Molli, the, when the Secretary, of the And as soon as it's been

it's been a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit, that I'd interview with K.N.D. When that I was getting an live achievement award, you, Bapa, when I was in 2016, 2016, when I was going to interview, I was still. But I didn't know if I got live achievement award, but I was I'd be made up to

come, and when I was I came, and when I was going to say, I'm in Indonesia because of the lawyre because of the actual, without identity, they're there, but they're not,

but they're not, they're not, that's what I'm trying, and I'm sure. I'm talking about I'm talking about, I'm going to say, now this, in Surabaya,

they're taking, from, to come from, to buy the card to identity of an. And since, in 2015, that,

every time, the government, I'm aghackens, and since I'm I'manko to make up in Kaimana, then in Marrake, then in Palankaraya, in Karanthau, in Tama,

I'ma, in Daugatimut, I'm, and I'm in-Kanning, that's what, we're back. We're, we're at least provinces, and how much the last thing,

that's, there's a question, for my question, back to me, how can you make sure that will be done, because we, because we,

when we're doing because of the people, Bap, because of people, they have no voice to speak. Oh, they're not being heard. So we must be the voice for the voiceless. So if we're not being able to be able to be able to beaugh. So when I came to the government, so that the government has to come to come in the government,

we're going to come to come to the land, so that we're going to runcannan can only than 1,200 after the last year. Because H. H.K.S. In the same Kappa, that's the U.S. The same time, that we can get to get to the U.S.S. 1,000 people, 5,000 years ago 3,000 more. And in there, we've done to give mehastewa.

Because we also think of the festival of the young, so I'm going to ask for the young. And when I said, if we're from outside, we're from, we've done this for your own. And it's not even thought that in the second of their, there's about people that's life, so you continue. So we're going to resangue to be able to be able to be able to be able to make sense. Until now, they're going to continue to. So I'm going to be able to academician that I've been told me to tell you.

So you can analyze, now that you've asked, where you've asked you. So I'm going to the point. I'm sorry. I have too many stories to tell. I'm also. I'm also, you know, I'm also. Oh, yeah, but that's all right. That's not all right, ma'am. That's un-a-musal, that's about,

because of the borghumed, that's just kind of, we're making up. Because they're having sunat, they're making up again. There's been, there, so many,

they're in their recs, in their backin' in their that's very umu, that they're making sonar, so I'm going to be that, but that's one of the That's one of the suburb of where,

and we make sure of the unmarriage of where, and this, sunat masa, that we're doing, we've done, too, many more than, I didn't have seen about story with him about. And when I, when I was, I was about 10 years ago, yeah, I was over a couple of years ago, that's what, what, number,

that's why, it's after being festival of muga that? Because, when that, one of the head of the family, I mean, I, this is like to look-ackanama, So if my forgetfulness. Because I'm a visionary. So I see the macro-the-thing. You see the future.

I see the vision, but I don't see the small things. So that was one of them, if not the same one of them, he said, he said to say, she said, Mama, do you, do you know, to men from to run from President Suharto? only only had to be made up in Indonesia.

So, ma'am we can't make a national. This is we can't make a lot of it, we can't make a new national in Jakarta, so as well as we can't make up to Asia Pacific. We can't come from here in Newtasia in Jakarta for we can be together with a bachar if I'm going to see a man. If I see that, if we're going to beckmars,

this is we have to bea-smart. Millenials. The few people are you. future leaders of our country. So they're still thinking, they're following, yeah, back. And I'm going to ask that

I'm going to put in the about it. A few years later, when I think, I remember that in 2014, 14 to 13 to 13, yeah,

10 years, 11. I'd be asked in there and the BAM that's the Laila. Laila, Laila is very enthusiastic

because he's from the faculty parlianguant of the fact that he can't make uswarking her, to ask if you if I'm going to becuncunuchsia, that's not. And I'm getting a surat resumed from university for their, to be able to beaughan from their to bea to beaughan of people. That Laila is the name, Laila, that's a lot of

Laela has leadership that's and we've got to the university Islam modern yeah there's been in a lot of where they're talking about as they're making to say then I'm always

I always keep in the down hearty if there's a bit of and one of the time I heard there, there's Bapakou You know, Bapakow, who has CICC, Central International Convention Center, that's big, you know that. You know that.

It's just a big convention center. It's very big and very good convention center. There's one of the time, I don't, I've been told you to tell you about, because I'm glad with Mila and other than other and And, I'm the time I'm every time I'm of allang time fornication, or along to my wife's my, I'm going to use for my own time.

If I'm going to use, if I'm going to make out of money to buy them to buy them so I'm going to buy it. So I've got it to until in 2013, that's when I was going to be back to the same.

So I'll tell you to tell me how we'll tell you to tell you how to say, I'm going to be reconciliae with identification. It's very powerful. I'll share with you later. I will continue with you later. So I'm going to say, and I put in my heart of my life I.

And when I was I met with Dr. And I said, about, if you can facilitate to give meinjam can the place in CICC for us to come to run from the people from the people from to come from the people from from from from on the same of the people fromuda

Perman, Perman, then, Bapha, he's going to be, that's what that's what I'm going to do in the heart of it, to be people, so he support me to be able to make the gudung. GEDUKUKUKUKUKUTHA, that's, if I'ma,

but we can't do. And, before we did festival, we had to make them to come back. themahshaven, where they're coming down and get back and metapalcansan and the same amount of Rewasan. And, finally, when I just took up,

I have a group of people who, who facilitation one of them, adoptes, so we've got to be able to beaupesies, so we're from every province, from different universities. And when they camehack, they've got to beaqaer, they've got to come back up with their

culture, andaragamah together, that's the same as well, that's very, very very much, from Ache, merangul, from Papua, and they're making agaeran together, so good. I'm too good. I'm too.

And every other people, that from several provinces, in 2018, we could be able to come from 145 universities, and that from several provinces, that's when they're back from the bank, not from the other than the businessmen, but from the board and exquisite for the other,

and they have to make project proposal. Project proposal, what they're going to do in their own resources, with resources their own resources, they're different. It's different. So, they're having to beauntlets and the kind of the other than the kind of different. So they have to make project proposal that original, from the realignal of their own. Then if we have project proposal that we have selected, we have

so we had made up to the UNAVANs, so we pay for the UNAVANs, so that we'll beaic. So, so we've got to be made up. It's amazing, Baja, Baja. It's been a result, so far, so that we've done to make sure that the night, carnivaling, it, 11,000 mahasis of all,

and SMA, from allure of the U.S.A. from 4, 34 provinces in Indonesia. And we're making up again, we'll make together, so in 2018. Then, it was in 2019, the same thing we've done, but this is Semarang.

And we can't be able to get 175 universities from all Indonesia. So, we're at this time this, we've had already, 680 project proposals from all over-gapagued, So in the way of the way that's when I'maum can I'm get from the new back from the Nicar-Masal this and because I'm amalgamon, with Kewankeh, in Papua and they

I'm giving to say that's true. I don't know, but I don't know they've given me to have it, but I don't know, they've given me to back in 2019 as a palawan mental spiritual, but a man, paloan mental spirit, paloan revolution mental, I was that I'd be able to tell you. When I told them about the epitubudiness, if they're, their children,

and if the government have money to build down to build a business, because they don't know they've got to do with what so, they're making Gapura or the other, but if the project proposal

this is adoption and be awesy by the millennial this, will be able to bea When he said, if you've been, if we're just because we're just about, because we're having,

together, to give them, for them who are men who are, they're who who are, who's done, and did support

by the government localness, there's a lot of, and I'm trying, and I'm trying to back that, to Kementko, So, if there's project that of the

of the from the project, from the government, and the project that's been supported with the people, and the impact of the impact of the way, it's going to be able to be, and it's true, but it's right, but, but, and, the fact, HKS, can, that's the time, when it was in Gorong Talo, in 2016.

That's when, if it was a while, in 2017, that's when you were the, who's the minister, the socialist, he's going to say, we want to make something that's different from the time that long ago. We'll have to be able to millennial. I'll just say, oh, not that's in 2017, that's in 2019.

I want to ask, if we're partaking our last our our our history, 2000 years, we can't be called the Buddha for 400 years, Hindu, for 600 years,

Lantas Islam, Lantas colonialism, Lantas Nasrani, Lantas, Kmerdekaan, Lantas, democracy. This, is, is, and this, can, maybe, too,

in the fact that you can't make up to make up to what you've done in what you've done this. Now, I'm going to summing this with how we can make the more than more clear. And, of course, there, you know, bu, yeah? Complication is this is related to the senjagan.

That's just menerous, there just. Yeah, can? So, it's the senjavan on the top of the and the most of the bottom. But that we have to be able and be able to be able. Now, this is how much to the year? Mung-go-a-bu, please.

So, so what I'm going to be. I'm going to be what I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to be in the form of one slogan or doa, yeah. Doa myra myrakew, resatulah myrash myraket-go, and, and in general mysheratucked myraud. Because in the day, Doa three, this isacup five sila, that's Bapa.

So, damalah the country, there's a matter of God. Bredoméle with God, that means that we're not in what God doesn't like, for him, for himmesey, be halting, to beheading, to other. So, be demesay with God, it's art of us. And the other that's the end of the time

is the end up in the end of war and chinted by itself. And that's what is that. And that's what's the way of it. So if we can't even if we have That's about it's about it's about it's about it because of the law I'm nothersting that's all right now I'm saying I also I've said I'm going to be able to be able to

I'm in a seminar where I perpicara Let's start to work And this also that I've said if I've worked If I work with partners, if I'm working with a hand that's work, let's work, let's work with a hand that's So we have we have to be clean. Tands our hands we have to be clean. Weirons, we have to be clean.

And we have to be clean. So we have financially clean. In the whole, we have to be clean. Hearty we have to be clean. There is no longer clean. I mean, it's not we have a lot of life that has to be able to be able to beckxed. So that's not. And not bad for the law, we're not.

for the vowsaqa, soaamilas mehapu, be damay with God, bedamey with the same, that'silah first and the sila two, then the second-a-gapest, redamilat myroup, resatulah, myrasharacu, and scepal. So, it's a lait, it's allureeat, this is that marangume

allure sila in the down Pachasila, that's the first, the Lord's the Lord and we haiti, and we'regated, sethaping, that's the same sila that's in Pancashila. It's, it's right? So, we're having to look at our bidsukkah, to bedamae with God. Lally, in life, we're in life we're sorry,

we're putting up, that's human who's unil, and peradap. So, we're a bit more than we're at least. they're about them butchumat, that's different from the people that's about and if we can't believe it. And if we can't give ushame,

then it's not a good for we can't give us to. So we're just one. So we're just one. Because only with one and gortong-royong, soot-nobot-Royong, so that's all the khancassan from Manchasele, got-ro-ro-and. So, only if we're-soukot-ro-and-mend,

and to be the world's in the world. The world is the world of the world, that means that means that in order, in terms of the power of our lives, we have to work together with all the people, and we're together together, and we're together, we're together, goal our, that is the care of the social

for all the people of Indonesia. But I'm also another, that's also, that's another, that's being a job for the world. That's what I always have to add. And this is that we can't make us, how we can't get to get to get to get to get, that's the first time we're going to be able to runcuhed

them who are menacing or who amblechic us. So that's why I look at Indonesia is very good, and very important be iniqued by many countries, want to get back to Indonesia. And we're who is who can't be able to beckonknoticed. And what can't even than what we can't even than what we're than we're in the internal problem we're. If we're able to be able to be able to be made,

but if we're in order to domba, so we're salimmede and we're salempsyching, and we're in front of the way that we're going to laugan we can't. We can't see a lot of people. Why, Maja Pahit, that's big, who's up toasana, what we're going to be able to be here in Indonesia I can't musna, becassinged-pun't-you-credo-kotan, I'm looking at it,

I'm looking at a lot, I'm looking at a time, I'm talking to, too, perpicaring, and I'm going to adder to somepah palapaghania, that's I'm going to be able to say that, and I'm there, why,

it's not even, because it's in-dalen, in-dalen, in-down-in-it-a-sut-sut-un, and they, when they, you can, also, so on the other than we're not in, so that we're not going to be able to be. So, that's the same that's the one of the people. So I've always said, if I'm saying,

if the people are people who have been saying, Mr. President Koukarno, I've said, "'Berikung up to 10 people, then I'll conchang the world. So I've got to make the "'et of the world's great. So if people, people, it's been able to be resatucketful,

That's what's what's about, we're making up for the people, and metamooking them from different sub-bucked-basket, and mempurgue from different from other than they're sure they're being born, they're being born-rede to be people. They have to have their heart of their, because I've got to say, whatever our own our own,

our own, our own, our own, our own, our own, our own, our hearty our own way, yes, Indonesia. Now, that's just to be musuosuant with reconciliation. And, that, to be together, to be musk, to be one and musuqi, not one with the other, but the same thing that we muskhanes, but the interblankan. If we're musk, we can't be muswant one,

we can't be muswant one, Bapa. Soap we have one musk, ma'am. Musuling our, we're not. Musuling our, is, we're the humuskinan and kebodohat. So that's that's like that's about the time. I'm going to be able to be called upon the Kota Pahlawan. Because that's all the element of the community, and they've got to be able to be able to be able to be able to becoban

because they've only one of the enemy, that's just one mussel, that's the jadah. Now the denjadgahs, but now, we're not sure. We're not sad, we're not saddened, that we have jacred by human humanized, the nothutarchant one, or the firstsum, that's the same, that's the agamah,

if we can't even, we know that we're a person, and we have to have one, the Lord. Pancashila is, we can't even be that God that Mahasah, the way to beabundah, as well, with the realignal of our belief.

So we're not, we not saling not but we can't the first. That is, please. Because we can't even if we can't make anything, if we're doing if we're doing anything. If we're not able to do with anything. And we can't

see if we can't turn to beckoning in the place on the other, because it's in the number one, it's in time. And as soon as we can be decay, let's be together, we're just among people, we're making people, we're making sure of them, to work and the

so that they've got to make up and the indianity, so that they can't get from the government, so that they can't make money all the access and facilitation that's given by the so it's, it's just it's, that's not

who have what, and they don't know what, they're not. If they're not, if they're not, if you have got, if you have, there's identity,

yeah. But if we're not, I have the agenda. I was still I remember, 10 years that last year, that I'm going to work for the last year, so every time I'm doing

program for rippon children, I'm going to remember that, there was one, there's one of the government, yeah, and to give ushouser to our own,

because as soon as far as far as far as far as far as far as far as far as well, I think, BAPA. And he gave me to me, Pah, there's there's name of the bank, simply that's about it's about that. If you're going to be able to do that. That's why I'm going to end up.

That's what I've been trying for years so that if we can't even can't because of the people people who are not being not for doing to doack. So we have to pro-active to make up civil their, have dasan of their,

that they're in the world of Indonesia. And that's important because I can, Baphae, we can't have to beaughan that year. We have been able to have many people who are productive in their in years of the time of that. Begankan, they don't have any identity as a part, they don't be able to be school, they can't be able to work,

even for traveling, not because to want to sew cos-cosan, not-bush-kos-on-dug-dbub-dub-a-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-l-Q-Qar-D. to get up to get ID. Papa, make up to get up. So, if you can't be able to be able to be able to be able to. But not have anything, but not have anything. They can't be able to do with it, and they can only be able to be able to be able to be.

So as well as well, they're doing. So, yeah. that we can't talk about about how there are unsure-unsure in in a country that can be robeck the country that and sring-kally commonality or the commonality is, that is about

with the senjangu. Can't, from what I've heard this, is simply that the mostoosue that the most of the most of the most of the for that for we can't be able to beharmonism, is that we can't if we can't

if we can't callahed, so musty not a lesson we can't, not even more than thousands of years, but rations and rippo-a-toumns and a thousand-tallon to-de-despan.

Now, I want to ask, I'm going to lookis the MASS-Depan Indonesia in 2045? Context, because I'm because I'm looking that Indonesia is a quite that's quite

great, right? Yeah. Diversitas human's, biodiversity, and the very-diversitess, and the scale

also, too, but if we're to out of the people, justro, more than other and

the other Now, try, Debuts in our future our own in our own in 2014-in-a-lawful, so that we can't even when we can't make up our own our own, that's injamban. Yeah. So, what I've said, I can also have people from from the world, yeah, Bap.

So, at the time I've got a time to be able to talk at the International Forum, that even, they're even thinking Indonesia is little bit more than like Thailand atlas. So, from the way to come to come up to see, they're going to be able to be able to-lawed. But what?

It's not they're not being able to learn. And then they're making annaissance Indonesia is a country that's very big. And I, I'm personally, I'm very proud with Indonesia. I'm from the world of the world of the world, we're like we're in the United States. We're like, we're like, sambrut, manate, and it's very hard. And, then, we're going to beelgaping up.

God, God, and we give them to give us, it's meek-a-an-law-diasa. We've been given, super-suck-suck-wanshag. I can, if you're afraid, you can't look at America, the country where you go, but I'm going to be, the word of it, the language of Spanish,

almost we can't get in the different from Chile, Argentina, that's kind of, people are like, but try to come to Indonesia. From one place to the other, you've got to the importance

that's great from the United. The indiana of the indiana from, from, you know, from the sub-sugue of our own side. Then the kind of lautant, who has got in the world, there are nations that have not been able to. We have water.

We have a lot of the way of the power and fauna. With the keycairang, with all the keycayance, we have been able to say, my friends who are you not saying, you don't know, you have to beapeutic. You don't know, you know, the world of the ideology.

You can't even. can't be able to be a big a different way that's so different. But how we can't get to be able to be able to be able to be able to one of the same my friend say that, I'm saying that's how much he loves Indonesia. That's why he gives you so much, so many diverse and beautiful things. But how we can dolech it?

because if we try and put forthcoming. Now, now, this is the beginning of, you know, because I know, all the small beginning, sir? Manusia, it's from there embryo. Without any way, there can't be there can't bellaheran. Beto, not, Bap. But if you're not a little, but if I'm going to have embryo, I can't have my opinion of my own.

I can't have a lot of the last year to have been there. But if we have embryo, but if we have embryo that's up, but it's always, then it will be more and more than the bigger, so that can be able to be able to be able to be. Now, now we have embryo, we're doing what?

One, we're, entice, our religion, our, lintas, you've got. If we're living, if we can't be hara, then if we can't be it, yeah, he'll beamati. But if we can't weak in our abrogamation as a group, and I believe that's more than we must be more than

because of the same thing is, because who don't like unisoned, and if Indonesia, without a certain way, for, for example, to be able to beaugh by the pastoral. They're not thinking, how can't be able to beambriol in.

But they're, but they're talking about, and they're very vocal. But the good ones, and by-buy, justru, they're not even more than them give them to the sound. If we're making a sound of our people, and we've got to even can't even make a lot of people, like I've heard, in New York, only 12-an-genhard, just 12-an menjahed,

just about it's not-a-malem to be hush-hatt there. They've made a few. And now, the better than what is more, than what's more. We have more. But they're not to insured-a-and-lawed-a-old. also. Now, that's the time in 2004, this is that I impiccant, yeah, if it's a lot of dream. There is power in dream.

Because there's a power in dream. If we're not ever mimpi, we have a vision to the front, like we have a rachspah. There's not a book that's written in the book, Amsala, Kama'u'll beaqqaqq, if we don't have fission, that's not liar-a-a-a-lis-it-all. It's there that's in the book ofamsal. So, now, the issue we're in the front of what? We have what we have we have we have We can't have fashy-weighed, we can't be able to be able to beckar

one with other people, one-souths, with the same thing that our aimpian, that in 2004-five Indonesia is a country that's, dsacare by people of the banks, because Indonesia is a nukra ala that is a great, for our ownah, radam, the way of the other, and the other than other

and if we can't get up this, what they're who are more than will be the people from now this, then we'll make people,

or billenial that have, the productive, and have al-a-a- malay, and, people, manhawar in person, and in a corporeate as a ideology of the

, then, make of the world of this, what can't be able to beaumatic because, in fact, I've been making it. In fact, I'm a small-meanorgy, I'm a total minority. I'm a woman, I'm Chinese, and I'm Christian. So, at the time I'm in 2002, I'm in Singapore, I'm in one seminar, I'm in the same

I'm in the seminar that, when God be able to beicare to me, you're going to be from the mosque to the mosque. Me, go to the mosque to the church. I'm from ethnic, I'm from a minority, I'm from, and I'm a woman,

but I'm not going to. But I've got what God has given to my heart of my. Only love can transfer love Only kasy, that's why can't make sure. So, I love God and I love you. And that's what I'm doing. And that's what I'm doing. And that's what I'm doing.

And I'm doing. And I'm doing that's why it's why it's not. Because now this, there's not a batheap of many other. I'm not. I'm not. I'm Muslim. This day I've talked about my son. I can't, I can't, I can't. I can't.

I can't. I can't. from their love and I'm very committed to you. And I'm going to hear from them, I'm going to say, I'm sorry, I'm not sure I'm too, so they can't make them make up I'm sorry for their, and I can tell about indahsumableness, indahsatuan, indahsatunate, indahsatunate,

for we can't be able to keep on the lives of Indonesia and NKRA that we can't see. Wow, that's amazing. You have completely earned the title Mama Hana. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's the Ibu Hanananda,

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