Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Haris Azhar: Menjaga Kebebasan Berolah Pikir

Episode Date: February 18, 2022

Haris Azhar berdiskusi tentang kebebasan dan bagaimana kita memenjarakan diri sendiri dengan kurangnya kemampuan berpikir filosofis dan pemahaman akan penegakan hukum dan hak asasi manusia. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #HarisAzhar Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/6282133365263 Info pendaftaran program Master of Public Policy di SGPP Indonesia: admissions.sgpp.ac.id [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504 Tonton episode ini dalam versi video: endgame.id/harisazhar

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What he's making a pepotusat? This is NG Hello, teman, And today we're in myasar, founder of Yaisan Lokataaru. Haris, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Degree-upakia. Tellin, de. You know, you're in Jakarta, and all kinds of different, Makhashar, I'ma, I'ma, I'm not. I've got to know how

the years in the So, So, so my name's my father, that's from my mother, and that's when he didn't go to India. There's a war in the world. So, so the father's said to tell me,

so, yeah, the kake that, he's just going to make it. So I'm just, I'm, it's, we're, that, we're, like, kind of, kind of, the one, the world,

the two? The war, the two. Yeah. the second, that kind of like that. That's, that I'm like that. I'm going to, yeah, births of the United, there's bansarer,

there's asia-sletan-sap, but the passport of my, my, my, so, so I'm going to say, why we're not going to be a person English only, yeah, right? But, yeah, yeah, the journey, it's long, so I'm going to be able to

Bayo, and my dad from myasar. So, so they're coming from people local, I mean, the people Indonesia, but also there's some other. So if I'm asked what, yeah, if it's like, yeah, like, to Aceh,

still a bit, maybe, if, if, when I'm going to come I'm puter in Hong Kong in the Lapanguebe, COSWA, that was

people, right, I'm from I'm just Baur, like, that's they're talking about once a little,

I'm talking about, hey, who, the, that's, who, you, just, that's,

and I'm saying, they, oh, I'm saying, that's so, so,

so, not, people, people, people, Soo-sci, not, Dibalawesi, no

Bhanjar, not, India it's not So I'm not But from the I'm not I'm having racism Jog-jouk

racism, that, called India Bally, Bully, Bully, casar, not, but the pangulingingalusis

that is not, but But I guess at the people, we're like that's like that, you know, manned the China, yeah, you, man, or not,

even, back on the other than, even, kind of, but I've got so, so, I've been

from little, that's from that, that's, like, back-mind, yeah, uh,

like, to be the concept I'm not the concept this by the way, when I'm doing the way, when I did class ham. This is at trisakti? When I was in trisakhti. S-1. I'm learning ham it to the

the huckum international, the penantar, in the law, but that's just materi-matery-matery-sis-ipan-a-can. Now, if now, now, now, in the facultas-hook, faculty-s'-s'-o-scied-an-ocian-ocian-ocian. of the human's of the same. So, I was learning,

get to docent, discussion about what that's ham and other than other, and later, back, long, like, like, like, I, like,

I, like, character's that's being, the time the world France,

like, Who's what, what's in Croatia? I know, pranches, jago, but I think I'd like I'd like I'm going to be. It's like, it's right. Stryker's good, like, so, like, being, I'm going to bellying

the, uh, uh, underdog. Underdog. We, if at HACASA, the vulnerable groups, um, the lompok,

that, that's because because I have a personal and also the people's of my, I'm not really disciplined I'm okay. I've been seen he with debat with police

only because he said, I'm not sure, and you can't be able to get SIMs. This time is still order new. Wow. I'm still class 5 ASD,

and he's ready to be brought with the police to come to the police, to get argumentation. after 3 hours. I was told me on the mobile.

After 3 hours, he's going to be what about it. What? The same is. So, he's going to be with him. So, he's in the room, in the other, to the other same treatment. Now, that I had lived 10-a-town with a way

so that. So, yeah, maybe, yeah, factors that that's that made when I'm at work we've got to be with other concepts that's about people,

that's about people. So, yeah, I'm noticmatine. Serja of the humanehamee, I'm going to beaum and hamini, I'm going to beaute. Buda debate, it's just kind of from the from the small. Yeah.

I'ma, my name of tradition of Makasar. So, soar, the word, and, to what's important. So,

so on-to-to-haping-a-hap-a-hap-it-hap-it-h and if you're bantah, has to be able to say, then, that's from the from the kid, did like that, like that, but after debate, yeah, okay. Yeah.

So, yeah, so, yeah, then, then, then, I don't know, or there's reformation, there's what, In the same, in the same, in the room, we used to beaiseachs?

Then, I'm going to do in English, in the SX. I was a lot, ma'amater, many. The Kappa, Mata, many. Two, is the way. Two, is the way. Lose.

Then, I'm going to S2, HAMM, in English. That's, there's. There's one, S-1, no, no, no, When in U.I. In university at the open, to learn sociology. Okay.

Then, I'm also. I'm also used as well as far as, because I have money too. Why philosophy? Uh... Or, why sociology? Because I'm just with the social society,

so on, this, this, I'm, this. I have, I have many, I had to have a lot of I was left, I'm one, I have a number of

questions in my own, and I'm thinking too, and I'm thinking I'm thinking, again, I'm taking sociology, and then I'm going to be able to beaitha, many questions that, that's the answer that, oh, the way of the answer, but the answer not there's the final.

Makin'n't it, ma'amahed, but but I'm not, but I'm trying to answer. But I'm trying to answer that and I'm doing that is the answer so there. So, there, no, no, there's final solution that, no other. Tried. I'm going to over with people about...

...pembedaiaan technology, or innovation technology, a her right here. What I'm seeing is the the power of technology now or the a year of the world or the world of the world of 1818, and this is a bit of a bit of a lot of the Enlightenment of the 1818,

which anyone who's who is to be a scientific discovery, that he, more than the other than the values of philosoph. Same than 3,000 years ago, young, ahe, ahehally, like Aristotle, Socrates, Pythagros,

it's, can be aghap they're the people, but they're also a-lis-fli-lis-louf. That's now, that's resaqiaheaned, yeah? ...suppahy

the technology beaxatimabye? And, I'm seeing, the generation this, maybe probably, for more,

for philosoph. Technology, today, uh, must be in ranh consumptive, yeah. Yeah.

Because it's impermudah. And, the, ,, what, called them, so that's so on the end, where the cable to-oom, where, where, where, where,

where, hilly, where hula, where, hila, perhaps, technology that's the technology that he's from the knowledge of technology,

that's, can, from the ol'-picker. Now, if we're if we're philosophy, there,

there's a cat-caram, think, be process, and in philosophy, the other one of the one that's one that's the use,

why do you, why do you, why there's a penuance about the concept that's the because there later backan.

Yeah. Alam, tantan of human, so, so, so, it's,

and it's, then, there's, technology, technology, machine, or so all of all. So, so it's very much, that technology is that's been used. But, but not many people want to

be amahomim. And that, that's, there, there's a technology that be more than. Because they're not paham the tucyant, For the way I'm just like this. There's a lot, there's a lot,

the work, play laptop, and then, play laptop. Uh, what other, yeah, nimpen file,

with a laptop. And then, market the technology makes, the technology, the application betempower, the application,

and other. In other, but there's even the other than we're if we're just using the same thing. Now, now, if we're to geter more

lanjut, the only the time if we charge the electric, they only need to one. We need to use, maybe only

need memory, that's, that's, all-in, all-in, all-in, that's there, that's the it's the way that's allot-you-sleash-allenged this, all right now, but it's just a risk for

if it's going to be a lothackle-themes. So, he's not a good-beragamance. Um, the second, he's butthook the electricity that's how much many. This is I said, there's no, there's one. There's a lot.

But we can't choose one, or we can't make sure that's under that's the same. Now,

our own we need, this is many that's been there's more in the world I gulotier in

the bidang ham. It's, it's, people, people, have, people, before they

make a puttussan. The people are the other people or the other related to be different from people who are

more than it will be discusical, it will be making the decision that part. I'm sure

we're that's that's very. Now, many people want to want to

something, to say something after after the kind of like

like that like that. that's about about that's about technology that's about I'm going to say yeah technology that's it's about that's about there's a lot

there's a lot then he's mann't know that's he's a it's a time in the time when time time it's put-tibed

and that's trying to be able to but the otheran but the other handphone of the situation of crisis. There's situations that's that's about

new now, situation crisis this is, this is being the pressure that's what you the termed

time it's like there, there's a lot of there, there's a in Indonesia, there's a number people,

people, Crisis, like, Yeah, not crisis that's meagamara, but crisis, crisis, that's many. But, but momentum, who's who who want to be in a situation this, so it's not just the majeuan and

and it, but also, I'm not quite seeing, if you're in this, if in the world, religion, is, you know, of the nabbi-nobie-ciches, that's many, but sometimes,

he's not populist, or the way of the other, the way, the other, so, must man-and-a-te-the-bendera, so if you're going to be viral. So, if you were, it's a prior,

but, but actually, many people, many people, who, content content, this is that's good content content that's about can't make up

banjure consumsies that's much, massive, but not there who want to make educations it. Maybe there, but not laku,

but not continue. Padal, in-rott-Irae other authorities authorities, both that authority reseming the and I mean

or the authority social, that I would have I'm in the context the case uphapal that's a

there's enough to make sure that's enough that's important that's consumptive that banjured in market

that, there is a effect burukes and also the good and it so people

also people who also being a warbara. We have been in the penjara in the penjara basa casarer. Or, saling gougat, mangugat, be dididanak. Munchal program from the

what's the name's, what, that's, like, that, we don't know never to beaas, how, business digital this?

Who's what's uplaughey in Indonesia? Who's who's uprooky? Hypocry, that's hypocrite, the hapahsing, but if there's been toit, if there's a lot, it's in penjarain.

That, not, if the p. The phone's, the reason is, the, the, the, Like this is simulation goblok-go-goblok-an.

So, I think I'm not from the end-to-o-o-o-o-jum-manata that. I, I think, a couple of weeks ago, I saw from a lot, there's a number that can't be able to use time. Screen time. Yeah. Technology's there.

But, not ever did-education, the society, how to beabotas the child. And that's the second-res that's the middle-and-and-a-half that's about the same. Or, or,

or, you know, panduant, when we buy HP, that built-in has Facebook and,

there's, there's twittering. Can't not be pasty-in that product that's to come to be the product that's part of the private,

sector to make-education public. because it's because of public. That's really, that's really, from the distributor, import-imported,

or producer, that's like, like, so many that many that's been in the things so-all-so-all-so-all that's-and-a-all

that's-a-tecunders that, about what name's, what name, behimpitance, and searing, saling aggumee, but, not sallying sallying chagre. Why?

I mean, like, technology mayjub, it's about, there's, there, a station TV that has putt every day , to give-a-a-a-comad

technology that's-dott. We're not-torn, we're just, we're just, Gila, taxi, it's going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to send out of it. And, and people in Indonesia and many places, can buy things like that. But, the capability of ethic, that's

same, same, like, like, one other one other, same. Jochowie, in 2000, 2016, there's the bigotan the government about the law of the law one of the same. Mepermudah people make SIM. Because SIM is one of one factor for distribution of barang.

We're not going to be it, not everyone who's not only people who are using the caravan, there's also that's using the distribution. Dampoky of them, imprimudah. Rame, people make, making, One of the practice in the in the land of the maybe, maybe, again, so that's

bad for the impact of the road? The casehacka-and, too, like that. So, so, it's permudas that,

it's malagumi, but what, what, yeah, yeah, the,

the, to control it, and, and, the secaghanemate, not the other one, the other, automatically, not the mentality

etisner, to be responsible with the other and that's the problem in our and in many in the other too,

so I can't people to know, but not not get it's there's what, because people can people can't

know the impact the ethish's from what. So, that's the other. Even, I think that's about but the other

but the other that's still that's always that's the that's the idea that this. This is the

many other other the contempani and I'm I'm that

technology that that's being aggregation multi-use multi-use, for the key-pentingan use case that, angupe-lal-mulia. But, the cumuliaan this not

or not been because socialization use-case for the user's, this is still, can't? That's what I'm going to take again is, you know, the dichotomy of how technology that has been made aggregation.

But, but in the world technology, we're, to, the, the, not aggregation. Silo. Hach azation, sechateraan, and digitalization, like, like,

like, not aggregation. Maybe not that's not that? It's not so. But, indahn't, if it's all of holistic, teraggregation, just like that's the aggregation,

to have things like that. This is that I'mauged from the mongan of you. Now, this is long, to aggregation pilar, or vertical, vertical,

non-technology, but this, the keypentinganity. Maybe software not, but... But, but, I'm going to, this, this is the

mancha-negara. This I, I'll just say I've put on. In many of the democracy who want to be the who's more than aque-a

which is the most of the verticals, but not yet not yet. But there aggregation with basis identity. Forreya, Turkey, identity by history, there's China, India,

Egypt, some of the other other other, I don't know, like, America. That's French,

French just not as long as English and America. Solid, they're so. So, there are some of the other aggregation that it's, it's, more and more ajak,

that. But I have a thesis and hypothesis. Why, the rank of the economy anti-multing

multinegare, it's gagged. Andgapalilateralization, this is the because this is a lot of the years we've got to-a-lodorin the crankspecific partnership, TPP, where the negra-negare maju is made-depant pengagregation

from some dimensions, intellectual property, the rights azazi manusia, government procurement, But but it's not nambung with some of the other that's important justro, for the other countries that are becoming.

If you're not going to be aphazazi manusia, but full-us is also important, even more important, how I can't put on the table. Yeah, right? So, we're from some of the where the government is to make-depant, okay, but this has a clause

on the cost of investment or model. And that, negra-negade, that's aga-agrengindar. Now, I think, there's a gapatheapathan for, not only a country-maju, but the country be-beamang,

to aggregation the sort of vertical that's the bestinging for the important for the work-same, multilateral. Now, this thesis or hypothesis I, this is the same the polarization of the rechecappan. Hmm. In aggregation SOSMET,

exactly. How much sauceMet is amplification narrative that, if I'm the the the narrative, that's, but not amplification, that's good. It's like this, I've got some of the other

many times, like, but, but it's not being not being able to make we're to create

to make make symmetry of aggregation in context technology and aggregation in all-hall- non-technology

sifat-n- -the-the- -pent. Yeah, if at the... This is the pediatia. First, I declare, I'm not aphletica. Same as I'm as well. Yeah, because of the background,

more than it, more than you, so, I'm not so much more than you, so. But by nature, we all of this, this is a person. I'm in practice of the development of the methodology, psychology,

that's-alamalamon-ulang, it will be able to make sure the same time, and can't be able to beauntah lewath a little bit of a medeor. If there he's not

not, not, goutin the turtipan Tata-Suria, it's, it will be a tessies, and that's a

new-the-the-a-tac-a-a-tie-a-a-tie-a-tie-a-a-tie-a-tie-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-i-li-i-li-i-i-i-l. So back to the aggregation, I'm going to be like this. The aggregation that we're called here. He has calculated and also, he has got to be able to beitung-itung. And he has made that, which is sodorking back. I agree with terminology

new aggregation to have had to be a problem withersault. And, I mean, I think I, I'm almost there's one one group of one or one group of the people of the group that they

that they're making a part of the same again again, and I'm sorry variable. Tried, I mean, I'm saying Turkey, Korea. Korea,

I, believe, I'm not just quite culture of the identity, but also, the person of the same culture. Yeah, shame culture. Yeah, that's from Korea. They're miskin, they're sadder, look at the Japan,

they've got to be made, and they're back up. Now, they're being the banksa who, can be the most discipline in the world, the job-carragain-pans, Turkey. If we're uproh, there's that's a different, he's a very.

He hashidhahsarqa, in Arab Saudi that's very in the wayqqi, he'll beaqqi, he biacken to the other people of the same. I'm sure in political and economy, Turkey has been bargaining.

Gampang! To museum just in, where, Aesofia, sovian. Yeah. There's perlenkata of the there's already. I'm Saudi also has to jadeghism, bargaining, there.

But it's also, back again, mempercayy, the identity, identities, identitas of the gulmop of certain. That's, that's help to to make sure to make sure

for a group of people or, or a-lop-un-cull-an-cult-a-cli-cli-a-regation-taddent. So, so-jahad-jahat-pimimpin, as a person in the land, they're just be able to beauged on aggregation that, culture,

situation of the alamia, the illyhan economy, that's mebattac. The question is then, if we don't have, the question is, what can't be here? Why we're now, why we're

still, must be mobilization, so that's being aggregation, merah, puttie, in many, man. But while manifestations, our nationalism, we're, manifestations of many.

Yeah. Mace-machmacem, but I'm not, but, but, but, but, but, we don't have, what we have, I think I think about the republic in.

Now, so, so, it's important to then, and then make sure that then, and then,

that's in the sub-agregation that's not just there, but also people can

get to from, from Instagram, that ventang-b-b- -brue-it- So, but it's justyant if there are people, there's a groupopopop,

there's a group of a group of grouponop, yeah, not get the polandah not, not, not, not get, the poland. Because he, what, um, getter, yeah, every day, every day, every day,

before, if it's up, if it's, so, so. So, he, Because if they have interest with a something, as a bit of a bit of a

big as a bit of a beban, it's not making interest, so he, if they, if they're going to people or

people or or group of from there, there, and they can not get idea, Ilham, and

to get a human, and I'm like, It's like that's like that. We're doing in, like, to get back in the other than again, in the other than in Southpah,

there's in Newtia, not there's in the in Papua, down, at the goutes, so we're not even we're going to how the garm ingris to kill the salju that's not important.

We as a member of the U. When we got to buy the armingris, because it's, because not important, Now, we have aggregation the the need of the bigotage that Yeah Now musty-natured,

make make make make make-making the entity-lemagasy that there, there's in the beban and vis-sysi, not in-lap-tibbae, like TPP. In fact, me,

the economy we've got, the America that had got Nobel Prize. He said, Stichlitz, he said, didn't even if you say, "'You know, "'but, like, "'what, like, America does it, "'Stylick, can't go about that,

"'in' one pedantone, in Columbia University. "'So, I mean, to say, "'I yeah, TPP, it's not-pah, "'da-pah, but we can't go again. "'Now, aggregation, this, This, if in the same, there's a perdebatan classic that I've been malice to keep in if there are people who've got to be able to have

because I've got to have a consensualant. Perdebatan so on universalism and also about relativism. Okay. Paranthropalogue, they say, not can't. Relativism is important. The lawyers, they say, no, universalism is important. I'm not even the tip of the

that universal is value-ynolds. If you're just people have had to be in but not the way of the way in Hawaii, it's not in the Paken of the people in Timur-Tenna. We don't talk about identity, we're about alam. Pakel'u-Hawai in Gurn Pasir. I'm sure, in two-hour the bloodsha-upakar-wit-ne. Not even like,

the problem with a value or or based on the world, the world of Europea utahra, can more than the world than people than Muslim or or people. Because the sky's not that. So, like that.

So, so that's the factor of factors that that are that can't make sure like what in the land, be rankat from one value that's the PPP, philosophy is what the other than, I think, so much of the world. This is a lot of the same.

So, so I want to say, TPP, America, to book that, so, if you, or, come from the other than other, then, if, China,

if, Beltrod, or, and, if, if, while when it's in our, we're d'Aulat menututututant, because we have

be of the burden and visi, and we're being the fact of the nature, we're saying that's the human who's the most of the most of the person, if this is the drawan. And we're being actor, and we're going to get a good. If we're saying Instagram, centang-biro, we're that.

That we're not to be able to TPP, like in the Jopi, like, PTT, like, PTT, like, something, that's what we all the same of a lot. That's what we're not that. I'm not going to bein-anyahu. because there issues that need to beattensical for the country that's becoming,

like Indonesia, that they're not going to beckoned. And this is the philosophy you're if you're a relativist, not universalist. Yeah, right? I'm not really, but what I'm think of you're more than relativism.

But I'm not up, you're not, or we're relativist. This is, we can, after the last, we've been seen, about concept moral equivalence, yeah, right? Or,

not there's not, moral equivalence. This I'm going to bumpus in context of the right azazi manusia. If we look, gontok-gontokan between Tiyonk with America-Serica,

which one, autocracy, one, democracy, democracy, democry, not-yodocryat, autocracy, that'sa-lawedgedy manusia, but autocracy also, yodok-democracy, you don't know let'sure me,

you're to munafikikas'a too many. So, not there, no moral equivalence. And it's been in relativism, so, bettling, It's not just about how much. Yeah, right? Now, this is about to bekeembanked,

with observation like that how we're as well as well as much to make sure to make answer. Begutte many of the questions about asazy manucia in, as well as well as well as well as far

yeah, yeah, I'maughaned with my assisua, even with the men who in the Bidangham, d'u, before SDGs, in SACCAN, 2015, MDGIS, can? This is the MDEveloping goes.

Pa, PASB also one of three leaders, one of three of the leader, Kantor MDGs, then, then, made research with London School of Economics about, uh, to where the effectiveness MDGs

from the syshe as human, the khaned-a-same. The cool book that, did publication by LSI and the country MDGIS, then, then, men's one methodology new, in the world of the

development. This is a relativism. But, it's a bit more. methodology, that there are three important. One, one, soal accountability, the two, accessibility,

and the three, answerability. I've got to report that. Accountability is, the pointability is, the people of the people's plan, and the plan accountable, not, you? That's...

Accessibility, that means, can't access, not? Don't one-way just, don't. Answerability, this is the most kind. Okay, this is more than what, like, make a bigisaghan, like, elishealansans.

That's critiqued the country MDGS to head up the MDGC's, after strut, strut, like that's like that. There's one other, measurability. Measureability, it's... He's all of allotability,

to have alat upurriness. Accessibility, there are alat upurriness. In report, it's great, that, it's the pointers of what other, and in sensibility, also, there's point as far as it, to make sure how much it, he's been a result.

So, even, even, even, he's really melekat in all of it. So, so, three things, did look. Now, I've had, I've had, also in one of one of one book, al-marhumaneer,

that's been critiqued a number of ideology in the samebutation he, there's about one book, a compulant surat um... ...cumulan surat

tentara to the paraistri. Deterbittal that was by Voice of Human Rights Radio about al-Ham the Jarreying the JANNIRBHA. Munir that launched, he said,

ideology, right, and the other, there's been tundas injave problem humanuaniaan. So,

so that's surplus ideology, surplus of humanus deficit humanis, did answer

with concept ham, that, uh, the, uh, that's, that's,

that's, if we're, that's actually, that's- and also with the program multi-tafsir and multi-project from different models of development. Can there's a damper of humanucia. Munchelah the of law,

you know, and useon concept this, concept, this, concept this, but problem can't just. Ganty body, ganty model, ganty the place, ganty corban. Now, this is, it's just be done, But but the cedarsesan, penemua, this is just

going to go to back to point, Gita, that's, so, okay, so I said I said,

want PTT, what TPP, Trans-Pacific Partnership that, or the model RSEP, regional comprehensive economic

partners. Yeah, Or every country has a model of Indonesia, comprehensive agreement, what agreement, Lombok Treaty, Indonesia, with Australia, many, many models.

So, Argentina, can, import wine, with, daging, sapy, and all. There's all. Problems, the

accountability of the that's one, one-the-two, is it about the other than maybe the person who's the person of the power? And again, again, this is the problem, not? No,

we're not, we're still still, Pa, Gita. ...emindentification the problem our, and, the problem is, is we're back on the Jokowi, or we're I'm not up Jokovie gagged. It's in the

Isis what? Mm-hmmmangak and one other like, and one other one other and it's and then and then,

we're not get-a-gregate our aggregate our aggregate conflict. But when we're conflict, we still go to Indomarat and

Al-Famart. Buy Minig, buy oil, buy what, Who's what? The fabric, the product in Indomarit, because we're conflict. People who's going to mrs. Who's going to move a hotel

in Mars? Elon Musk. Yeah, right? Elon Musk. We've been sold the shambing all, already investation to planet other. Now, we've got aggregated conflict. Now, if we're we go back,

we want to go out, the focate's not there, focate's not there. Now, so, technology not, the methodology not.

We're doing. Use case. It's not good. So, so, so, I'm just, yeah,

let's just, let's be it, the ribot of America, it's really, but I'm, because of my, we're going

to get- what? Yeah. And, and the good only for the um, this, um,

this, um, it, or, the way, and the good for us, and the, so,

so, the ideology also be used, but we, not ever did, and it, now,

this, can be about, democracy, to, is, be reshaped. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And America also has been known that democracy that exists in there is not super. And many of the countries democracy also

they're not superna. If you're in under democracy or process democratization to the most the most of the I'm the right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

I'm sorry, I think I'm not even, yeah, but I can claim because of the people are my own own, yeah, I think, I,

it's, the, the room that is the room that is it, we have to we needmati critique,

we have to be able to hear and to look at the problem. That's one, from the sysis of information. Yeah. The second, the important,

the democratization, economy, business, and industry. Yeah. That's, I think, this, modality, information and the

and the work of rationalization only on the group of the and they're gengene. Why I'm saying be a bigeneing? Because in the trend oligarchy that's more more than

this pyramid that is atas, it's, the time that's the rank-knit-y that's, the above this that then, that's the construction

as labor, not decision-makers. So, So, so democratization of the Indonesia, there's no other than there. Not there. There's much cooperation, so much in the world of it,

what is what is what is what is. They're not know that they're to have to have been to make up to look upen the law ofuang. When they want to make uping the law of the money, they're not know what,

the work in it, the consultant is mahal, or in the area not there. If you're not. If you have a co-operation, well, many, but if you're try to check in the Lapporteurant BPK, how many of the project of the development of 2,000 trillion

more, the people, the company, U.M, KM, not there. Who's all support? It's all. Cangang of the company in Jakarta, who has the modality

from Singapore or from Hong Kong. Yeah, we know like that, like, that. Now, can't never be buccahaping. Democatisatization business, business, economy, and industry. From the so on the wanguanguance, the access information, operationalization,

the power of, that's the same, this I don't like, to open the land of the work on, what is the point of the people at large, That's right, it's just a labor.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right for me, that's the same. Pagittal, corrects it, if I'm sorry. In the country maju, the firm and economy is only 3%.

The most. Yeah. And the good. Because they're equal. Yeah. Now, this is, It's great. It's not only

making 6% or 5% but it's but it's about it's about. That's about democracy, industry, business,

that's, I'm in fact that I'm going to be important, too, factor of the factor of the law,

not because I'm this is tricky. Many countries, people are authoritar menclimate campaign

their rule of law. So that's forlegation of the narcobah. Ujum, it's just the hanker. The alocasicam a number of rupees for the legation of the statistics is what?

Can it's the product of what? There are people who got there's not that's going to make narcoba, it's not even it's about it, there's not going to be back in, there's a kirker of the power. people. Many of the people, but the

the more than the more than the other than the more. Yeah, right. Yeah. Now, this is the lawythe, now, the law is the law lead by people who have

the time, we have had a standard moral, good, and, and, he's on the when he,

to, when he's to be over, and it can be-u-and-jol- -jol- -jol- that.

No, absolutely. Now, the law is that he facilitation, to give facilitation, but he also can't make correction for the practice economy that that is equal.

And the next again, that was I said there, there's partisipation, there, politics that not by political communities

Just like from the world. So, in your think you've got, it's been a phenomenon elitization of economy, elitization politic, even social-buday. Yeah. And I,

I'm, I think, economy and politics, this is, now, if I look, if I look, democracy, this,

free will to be able to be able to be able to talk, which, which is equalization of... ...banylization of... ...banylach that's about it, be a bit oficcertainties, jati-diri, whatever,

haq azazi manucia. And... After the end up in democracy and correlation democracy, to how we have to make up to make up-miscan I'm going to be a miskinan. I've got to be a miscaratra-an-cathra-an to

important to be-hilanked or to be-courang-e. But the most structural is the humuskinan attention and idea that's not going to be to behunged. Because this, I think I'm going to paradox that's

that's how much we look democratization information is not yet. If we're going democratization economy,

that's fundamental is, as far as what, ascephat what, we can democratization idea.

Yeah, Right, right? So, right, that's up to get the work, it's just because of the people who are with the other

to be a good to be the same as a big employer he. Yeah, right? That's a manifestation or

actualization from how we can democratization idea and economic and economy. How much, what I'm in order to you? Yeah, I'm going to,

I'm saying, too. Inact not? We're not? We're buying a because we're about working, our idea, we're going to and we're going to, and we're going to

because of the because of the kind of the of what, that's not just in science of the work-a-and, it's just. It's not quite, that's not, it's not. So, think, or, we'll just be able to bea-banging,

or we're just because it's not. No, there's other, this just this just this. Now, not have a piquetion to make a putusation, is to be a burruth. I'ma, because I've been, yeah, they're being made, like, resets, fellow, or whatever

in the cantor of the other, the company, that's the boss's, that's with, haze up. There, that, that, that, there, that's,

because that's the it, you, you, you, you, school, you're, there's a lot of the not have no other than I'm notep. But I know what I've got to work in,

the clinic service is that so on the way of their to be like that. But there's ethic. Yeah. That I've made a conclusion, yeah. I've been mowble with that like that

and they're not the boss. So, I'm not the boss. So, I'm not the boss that has made a decision. Now, I'm a little, this, this is about that because, I think that's important, whatever we have to have freedom. Yeah.

Free will. Free will. Free will. We have to exercise the beaithasance that. Yeah. To beauching to beaicara. To get in from where he wants. Now, but he knows what he musty have to be able to puttussing

What's the other than to make the decision? Now, from there, so what he got, that's the result of the decision that. Yes. The chastra-a-trai-a-dra-a-due,

it's because of the because there commiskinan policy from the country that not-bearing or the commiskinan-a-e-e or the miskinan-id from the people

or from it from it from because he's not give give you. That's right. So, I mean I, I'm going to say, we're going to be from, idea that's not alam awang-awang-awang.

Idee, that is arty al-pickered. We're giving kind of that. We have to make and be taken upon-jav. Termasue, if the situation not in we, we're in,

we're in the world. We're not we have How does how we can't work out of how much more than from the way to get over the other. But, the brandyance, it's also to guarantee, that you can't be able to be able to be able to bearact to retic, then we'll be retic, not perl no,

no, no, no, no, but there's approval from the company for police for the demo, but, but they know the way that. If you're asking, I'm going to make Miscan, Sijkin, Eidh? Miscan sechatera. If we're miskin id, we can't be able to think.

A second we're justa, but if we're justa back it. But if we're justin dechera, but have many ideas, minimal, as bad-buruk-burukes, we can be abu-nawas. Yeah. Yeah, right? Survive. From one to another. If you're from the other, if you're from context

the right of the same thing, do you know, what's still maybe be able to be able to be able to? Yeah. So, the angle of many. Yeah. That's right now that I'm That's about

I'm notarer of People's not One, In fact, In fact, Onesaw, Um, I'm sorry

This is, I'm not this, HAC ASSati, it, he has been product gimmick Statement

to make team this And what there's, and there's that, and there that's been on,

but they're they'd be like that's a I'm just a example if you epic-chot the photos of Jochoui when I'mobl with the Sucu Anak Dalm

he, or when he's to Papua I just knew two weeks ago there there's been a few weeks ago that's been made, for he'd be able to be and that, it's epic photo, photo,

that gimmick, it's good, but But the human rights of the public times or or the majora national biographies. The right hasi of the same thing, the answerability. Endgame's, for this,

glasapagita, is answerability? It's a problem? Yeah. Masalhany not, I'm not, I'm nothawatted, the government, the power of this, not paham.

What's the problem is? That's what you're- What's the most of the most of the government? To-do-o-o-o-o-olegged the people, and the people of the area. This, this, napache regime this, can take two-tallon. Two-tallon, that, I think, just can't solve-in platform, not-bis-cust-cings,

not-bis-cust-cust-cust-a-cise. case just. Now, this is ramek, now, the other than the other people of Buda, dipanayi, only hitunan how after Jokovili d'Landtik. Not yet it's not all right this. Sementra, the regime this is two, three time, that's just.

Yeah, that's just, it's been about two, three times before it, not clear, too. That's a example of the case not, it's not justa, But as a lot, it's the whole thing that's just a important. Instrumenting is

there, institutions authority, the power is also, but it's not a lot of the right. It's right there, there's kreikil in the in the machine the government. Now, just not just can't just not be able.

Mm. Matan not just, not just, the problem is, so it's there. If it's just, When I'm not cooperative, the people are you so much.

I'm not too. Mawkserat. From 270,000 people are people who are going to be president? No, there's. The people are people who are going to be good, once again, that's kind of,

that's, but no, he's going to be president. I don't want to be president. I want to be president. I want to be back and just. Now, just I'll give a little I think of the other

I look at the other people. I look, it's not like, the other than the other than the other beginning, we're still looking at what'sat, oh, the time we're taking, status-ters-and-a-like, this, and so,

but, it's not, it can't. So, so, the other can be the person, leader.

Some of the people people people people, yeah, well, there are people. But, can, I mean, I'm not just people. What's the people? The people that are still there. Momentum that is there are over-ulang-ulang. I, if we look at Twitter,

or we'll look at social, we'll ask, momentum, for the good, to, there's always. But what's the use But it's the day, here we're here our headsack our hashtag we're about who's who who's who are people who are being

who are just. What's the name-name-it-noe so, there's-a-a-a-da. So, every day, they're campaign, not there's a lot of, there's a lot of people, people who are people who area-buquerja.

But, sometimes, not di-appreciation, too. In-masaract, there's people, people who are people who are people who are people who are people who are people who but he's not viral, not the ariasi.

Now, ironic is that. Ironis, so. Ironis. So, because we're important, yeah, to back to substanti, not know how to how much. But I don't know how much we've still,

and now, we've still, we've got, we've been in the gotonged royonging. That's the person'sos of

that's a certain If it's just a good-gul, he's jago niram, he's jago mupok, he's aggoy, that's been but if it's kind. But if now, that's going to be it's because sensationalization

that's, that maybe not topang with a that that's in the smangat Kotong-Royong.

That that that's the disconnect of the aspirations and mutuality. Yeah. In some of the other people who are who are made up to the DPRD, or the KADES,

that's a big of goton royong. Yeah. That's good, too. I've got to a couple of people that we've said, the people that, in the thingatat when,

when they're going to report what the result of the the job of the that's the friend that did report, he's doing in the in the campung-in-pongued for people. So there's a part of the power of the wronging.

But there's been a lot of ryeung. Dissarer, what's abouti-bog-douye. Now, it's got-godeg-god-deg to, the purubahed mentality. There's, goad-godek-godek mentality is the case, for our life. I'm going to back to the same culture. Yeah.

It's kind of kind of kind of in Korea, in Japan. Yeah. This I'm going to bookus in context of psychology. Therein I'm going to be a... There's a person narasumber. If in psychology, there's, there's a cognitive intelligence. Two, and two,

two, same with four. Six, two, and two, same to 12. There's one other name, emotional intelligence. Yeah. I'm like that's... Magida, is emotional intelligent?

Not to know, sir. Maybe it's kind of. But it's not quite like that. Azeque, hazeke, acic. We're like, we're in a sumur-idup, Dissotorin toong sampah that's not in the land of bonged sampah. Dmitan, it's there.

But if you're not, when you're just making pisang, that's just... That's, He's been from the capacity of a person or someone a person a person to be inhuman intelligence, musty. Loonged, they're not being putturb,

or, tolong, tocce your hand you. Abis, what's gotor, yet it's not. But if he's emotionally intelligent, he will make up to do not do-officerang-can, and that's, and it's about for the community, in the same-it-as,

in the same-it-a-can-haping. That's not, that, to shaming. Yeah, right? If the Kepal-R-T, like the of the Desa or what, he exercises emotional intelligence, he's going to beampehapes in the

place, the most of the that's going to go out of the and if he's going to do it's a lot of the same-eaten. Then she's malo. Yeah, all, I don't know, I don't just to be the Kepaladessal. Now that's germane, from where emotional intelligence. I think, this is important,

for the people who are in the way not in Indonesia just, to more emotionally intelligent, not cognitively intelligent. I'm not quite worried about cognizant. Cognisi is kind of with a number of information that did dissemination. But, maybe, the ideation or,

or the development of idea, democratization of idea, that's, it's, it's, it's not even emotional intelligence. Curang or pet-tut- whatever but...

...turtut... ...ofogell intelligent. ...bohue... ...soil I'll just tell you. So, what we're talking, that's a acara in Indonesia. So, project... ...brike, the project to make a spanduk,

the area, WBK, ...willay-bebabas, corruption. But I know, in the down the can'traubing, I must have to beaubbing in the abhorpe to jabat. My friend's I know to the other than to make in the for lancering the

but in the country in the department, there's a spandum. WBK, WBK, Willaya Bebass Corruption. Project. Festivalization. So, so, so, so, so,

project. Project, I've, I've, I'm going to come up with the house of my house in the mosque, just in a time's this, gautongrooyong.

To come to come. I'm going to come. I'm going to say, Daule-ulang, just to answer, ah, well, it's got to be the machine. But this chronis,

this is a decade in Indonesia. That's it, because it's, so it's, project. So, this project, to make spandu, and it's all didanai.

Now, that's problem we. Leadership, leadership in the Lepan, also, there's like that. In institutions, KL, the country, the company, and in the area, like we,

we're going to, we're going to, we're to be a sub-jabat. I'm, grassroots, to the area, and you're like on the job,

per-gabat, peresmian. If you're gulunned, the photo, button-cett-to-cote, that's just the photos. That's all right, there's a lot. Not all right, not everything, but not all, but not all.

But, the project is that's about. If you're all of the activities in Indonesia, I, if I'm going to be a human photographic, I can't come in the photo pejabat, like, tunding kitha, dada, da, that. That's just. It's, maybe, maybe, maybe, doaaa, in the greeja, or solat.

That's just photo. So, that's abjabot, that's about abhb-a-B-B-D. So, so why I'm saying intelligent? Because there's been many consultanty.

How much making the kind of make the bad to beck there, there's there, there's a consultant that,

the person who's being able to get-debu, he made in the batu, there, can, the debat-d- from the

country, So I'm like that. Okay. Now, so I think we're going to constructive. This is, like. So I'm. So the question is like this. What I'm going to say,

he's a good sociologist. In Indonesia, disorder is the order. Yeah. So the tat-ta-an our cat-can-it-it-allant of our our tatanamination. So, so that we're of the same of the same

intelligent, he's like, like there's one that's moreny, that's in the middle of thebu. That, but, but I'm actually, I'm sure, many people are people

but not in facilitation and not in institutionalization. Why that, mampet? Yeah, that's, that it, Yeah, that's he, because I'm thinking, I'm not-pollut.

The process politic, is not-notic, not-be-not-be-narrant, for talenta-talentah. I know one genre Bintang-3. I know-boblo about, yeah, I don't say to bea-so-sebut-in-lop-institussie-man. But I said with the other-a-oh-a-oh-it-a-it-a-it-a-a-it-a-be-be-be-be-be-be-bbbbbbbawhan, but from the institution that's about the other than they're

and they're going to people, wow, that's a person, bad. Maybe, I'm sure there's no one coin one point that's haram in the place. The third, not enough. But if he's who's the boss we, we can't work, man. So, it's, man, not be able to move people like that, so, yeah, the basis gamponging is,

but this is the not being the main maling, yeah, not. But people, people back, there's been a lot. Right, that's in art of the word, justur,

can't do you know, disipline, and want to recryxie. If just people, because he's just, lug, but not not want to recidcy,

the right the right, but it's still using the word of, we need to try the the word of

capital, all. This is the right as azzazi manucia, if I'm peratine, this is a killer app. Yeah, can, there are 200, 300,000 years there are some killer app, that's a super app, democracy. In fact, people are people rights,

it's a killer app. It's a killer app. Tohap. of the value that can be universal or semi-unercial. Yeah, right? Democryce, killer app. Consummerism, consumerism, is killer app. Science, that killer app.

Scientific discovery, killer app. This is how, this is how to we're to be able to be this like peduli-lindungi. Yeah, right? It's all the... Pettled and do you, it's not.

Okay, okay, context. Context not better. How, how it's just... ...gimana to be it ...withnambung with the society loas. If we've been bangacken

Derry as democracy the three in the world, so, we're musting we have to consistent with process democratization. Right.

One of the other one is, this is a killer app, the right as a zazi manusia. How is, how is the so that application and applicability this is... ...enuas. We can use abstracts

to be able to beacredic or intellectual, but if at the end-to-un-un-the-cuh-ean-it-ean, the end-to-to-un-un-it. It's not- Degalanked. ... If it's...

...if... ...that from the side... ...theircuh, ...coulders... ...theirmedin Indonesia. ...theiranness, Indonesia, ...itit, ...theidid the Bidang...

...sam... ...their-pard-the-the-a-but-a-a-a-a-a-m... ...the-cata-Mahmahmahm... HAMU, there's the law, um, the lawturbation, so much. The problem, the regulation is a good

in the research of one professor in the from America. He's he's okay, quote,

the people, the people in the issues, the, the,

the, allocations, for the market, with a lot of the same, the problem is, they've been, it's about, it's effectiveness, he's been. Institutes, institutions in the bidang ham, and

related ham, more in different in different countries, in the areas, day. But, then, regulation and also also the the way to be

the problem we need our own in Indonesia is aplication from HAM that now there in sector the sector

there in sector soal the development I'm I'm people who think the development that is a place

to make-asershawed. because I'm notherment because of the Umbudsman and Jambattal. He had to be a building in the area non-infrastructur. So, in the application, now, problem this

then, he's gotungue by corruption. He was also the biggaping by the publicans repatripat, penesuasion.

That's excuse, that, we're not. excuse to for mimingircqis excuse to lethantarking so, so that's hat-y-hatty terminology or definition

of acceleration that's been also, there some other literature harm that about what name a, acceleration economy,

accelerisization infrastructure because that that's being It's about the world of the world of the world of the and it's important-corbanek-a-class-medin-industry property-lady. So, rotations muterned in them. In the compo-colom-coc-in-pick-be-basket-speed-y-bagnat.

Quantity's also small, because he can't be cut-cure-curable or not, this just so gregn't like they're like that. so. So, how much when they're not, if in the language of human rights and development, that's, it's the

equity. So, so. So, the lesser get more. So, so I give you, I guess the Soot-tonged-n-n-n-n-ne-ne-ne-n-k,

then-n-n-n-kawen-l. Then-calf-cate-one-calf-a-old, the other-dewasa, and the other-de-a-larser-allie to block-en. Five-a-oh-oh-larsed-a-lark-in-a-lark-a-lark-a-lars-a-lark-a-cure. But, the one-one-the-cuh. he'll he's up and

musty-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-ed because we're-cassed mobile. Temen our the one, maybe, the other other, or

who, who, who, the other, there's there, so, they've got

the need to do together, and, run, and, that, the,

In Indonesia, no, nana, nana, nes. Sara you, sara you're not going to be nana, nana, nana. Equality of opportunities, and equality of outcome. Yeah. The only one, it's called equity. So, not equality. If equality, just has the right that's same.

But if equity, have a capyance and the same. More down. More than. that's the important, is important, it's more constructive, not gimmick.

That's what I'm afraid. So, that's come to mamma that dangle pinang in Papua that's only photo. Or uh, ...

... ...that the water with the forest with the abound with one suku, one suku, only photo. But,

But after photo, the same for the same time for the same, yeah, right? This is that I'm not going to be to be able to be able to see what he has there's a good for the child-dalam, there's a good for the people in the area conflict,

like Papua. That's what must be perixed. And, I think there's not there's if it's not like if it's not investasks, well-do with, what-name sectors, industry, extractive, exploitative, not that's not that we can't. Capacitization, we also need exploitation.

We can't get up. We can't get-upon-kind concept that winner takes all. And this, this is back again, to the beginning, to the beginning, which we have to to be holistically,

mischapy, pilar, is that, the rights of asazi of manucia, like, , and, like,

and, later, we're, we're, the concept and technology that, the systematialistic. But, but one, measurableity and accuntability,

and the accountability, which is the blockchain. Perna kipikiran-khani, you know, to tokenization the right azazi manucia to be more the less the line-in-in-you-an

one, It's be able to be able to be universalize. Now, if that's, that's, if I'm in terms of my opinion we, with the importance of this to be super app or killer app. Because I've got to have spoken with some of the other

other, the example of like credit social, It's very tokenization. Taddy, I've got tootan how we can tokenization. Air-bersyhysh, how we can tokenization, so it's just, because the end-ug-ugn-ojum-y-alleguptu-y-five, Indonesia, has utah as democracy the most number three

that really, is a culmination, manifestation from the humanist. How is, Laris? Point that's the last, yeah. Point that's the last one, it's poetic, for that. That's...

2014, though? Yeah, in the backer, I've... ...dalen in the kind of... ...dalalbacquatant global, ...somebiciccarb... ...for Indonesia, like, yeah, like that's kind of cramate back 100 years.

But, but this, I'm going to tell you, but we're going to tell, like, in 2004, it's the it's, it's,

four, four, this, Indonesia, range of but I don't know, but kind of between 40 to 60%

the people, we're more productive. We're like to be a bonus demography. Artinia, the number of our our work we're more than too. 2004-5, which is

25 years, people who are people who are productive, that must be in the world. Yeah, right? Yeah, can. We've got.

Thanks, I've been too. But but I'm not yet but we know how much we know how much the other than how much better. Barangelo, like, motor, on the other, but now, on the motor, two-killed, and then on the car, when in 2045, we have a bonus demography of the And we're In other than we're

Ingramme, we're undergral. And they've got too much enough to be able to make it. I'm just want to use

Vulnerable Groups. In the fact of ascenting Manusia, we can know there, there are people, but there's the name's elderly person. The concept

elderly person that's people-a-a-tauant-a-taxorant-a-lawed. The law now-a-suransi, assurancesinging is, because of the in the country where. There's who, there who, there who got-bung, the money that's got to pay to investas in-mana and he'llam.

It's already. They're going to work what, like, tabungation is ill. Now, we're going to 24-5, have fundamental that, if you know, if we're if we're just 5% 25,000,

and we're puttaperan of money, we're just a consumer. Thesis that'sis consument. I have thesis other, that's, the young, you know, maybe, jumpo, they're, they're,

when they're not able to begank camera again to try to money, when, the tabungation of, he, from, our job-it-up, the U-tipa-tipa. The U.S.

The U.S. never made the money in the year in 2014-N. In-Negar-in- that, the President and regime

that, maybe, maybe, on the on the paper-lap-lap-lap but there,

bonus demography-gombo, which, that they're not-a-a-am-a-mann because, because now, P. P.

There's a debt. Bebant. Bebant. Bebant, so what I'm going to say, in 100th time that what we've been done here. There's mobilization,

the abu-divis-lis-laping, facilitation is downed to russed. Then, to be pachan money. Okay, that's a dystopian,

but... Distopian, but I'm going to say, in 2004-5, I just I'm going to make the forum of the game sopahue-brew-en-game in 2014-A-ma

for me. I want to say there's a sound that we're going to give up to give room that. Duh, if you're if you're not

red-puted, burung garuda, inshaw-ah-law, that's many people need to be there. But, but, this,

the situation in 2004-5, what? We have we have we have we have we have we have wealtham we're we're having luasan loophagus per-hurtrumbe-carang we can't hushurring, he'll, he'll-cury, that's just about. I mean, I just have to be made-tenalconization. is a way that's a new one of the other than to make sure.

degradation or reduxia. I'm not quite optimistic, yeah, from the time of now. Yeah. Pohon we're tokenization, so that deforestation is to beckoning. How much? If you can't do you? If you know? Have you heard of sashi?

No. Pohon in sashi, not in token. Why not in token? Yeah, that's at-it-soe is a concept adat that if you're in sassi, the child just just about

and not-bearing and not-braned. Wow. Shame culture. Same culture and emotional intelligence. There's petir. I see.

That's sashi. It's sashi. The lout is sassi. Ah, perusans. It's not because of the people adad has sashi. Kareen. That's not.

There's been a question there. That's there, there, so the other in the places in the place that's

kind of how we can make make power that desentralistic. Yeah, right. If we're not only things that in tangible,

but what's more than for people who are there, in Maluku, in Kalimantan, in Acheh, in Lombok, Flores, and other, and other. If in Papua, it's it's a bit, but there's a little, from, from the little, a little,

the problem. So, so much. The public is, constructive, this is, there's data-based, the way-based,

the waylaching is luas. Tumpucoing the kind of capyance on lapis, yep. Now,

protector- uh, what's, what's not professional, but protector is the person who's the people, for the world that's big to be able to be able to be able to be. Wow. If we're going to jogging, inshawal lo, if we're going to be able to go out, if we're going to.

So, so it's 30-hectar, yeah, 30-one jute-hectar, like, 30-hectar, Papua, Papua, and the part-hutans. And the wood-hutans, it's not-bawatt-in-lawed, it's, if I'm in-pac-a-hap-hap-a-lap-as,

and beragam. There are beragmugam burung. Annex 2 from the Hucom International Convention International about Satualian. In the

part of burung, it's a number-n-n-urung that's a lot-n-n-st and Sulawesi. So it's like that's like that. Now, because of token, can? Yeah, yeah. Burom's it tokenized.

System tokening. The economy is tokenized. Yeah, the upon, it's tokenized. System tokening that, in several communities in Papua, in Papua, menel, but he's not institutionalization. Bebrate people who have perda, perlindungan, people's but again,

again, implementatikasikhanes I'm not, I'm going to be able to do one, that's right, yeah, I'm going to

try to help in two the two capupaten to use the publican the way, so that's more

effective. That, that's like we try. Now, technology social and technology of the

technology of this, just in Papua, in Indonesia also just to the

now, actresses, actresses, but not even, not even people in Papua, or even people who are in Papua, many people who are more better than to be better

the issue. The issue, or system, it's more to get consolidated, more politic, more political. Yeah, that's in Indonesia. But this just true

of the world-chained blockchain that's circumvent the process politic, the dualatant, geopolitic, and many-like-like-and-y and it's true.

The Taliban, in the Tengh, he wants to buy kane from jember with blockchain, and by the blockchain, and by the and how much

Because this is it's all, you know, to get depotting the rights asazy manusia, process democratization and the janean, the end up

that's kuskuan, the adatan, the people the people that can be able and be able and

with the application technology tokkenisati organization that's very decentralized and can be part-jole-can, very transparent, and that's

to universalize the community international. There are two things, more. It's more. The concept blockchain if in H.K.S. Manusia,

we're we're solediati. So, so. So, I don't, I'm not, from Australia. He's a sociologist Ham. He said, he's

he said, the value. Bucan, not the American. Bucan, not, not Jered Diamond. I do I forgot. Okay, sorry. I think I said I said there value. Value is it's institutionalization by the country. So. Now, when the a gagged, then

that's solidarity. Solidarity is then menhansirkin humpherser again, repelage, them molest again the value. And then from

there's again, there other institutions new, the country or regime or the power,

or people, but if they're being hushed, the people will kind of backpick,

like, the language demony is that, the people can't get, and,

the socialitas, that, So that's not can't be controlled, not be intervention. So it's actually, actually, human chain, it's already there. So that's right of the same-being. Cochette, this, is the country

is not much solidarity with the solidarity with the same one. And this is right, I've got it, blockchain, this, in the same period is a in a regime that authoritarian. And it's the end uproxatism because of dissantralistice.

Sorry, sir, sir. I mean, I'm going to say, the point is that, modality that in the under the manusiness, then, before they've got to the language it's

sort of their Because of their people, they've got to come up. Some of the community of the community of the UmbaS. Skaa'apu'll, or other than, partungan. Communities adet in Sumba Timur, every two years,

there festival of pangan. So, so, then, I'm saying, I'm the fact that he, he,

he's, with one model and that's sharing also, and that's going to beaugh. Yeah. Uh, to say, what's the other than, what's the same,

yeah. If the application blockchain, it's, and it's community Hamda, that. So, in Indonesia, or in the country, man, people that only three-dimensioned. Yeah.

But, imagination, idea-itia-y-yri-shering. sharing the crowd in blockchain. Now, come right, there's been in Facebook, but people who are people who are people who are going to Facebook, and I'm going to be able to beauchin that. Now, it's also a choice

in the work solidarity that's more active, like mobilization, to organize the big of the heavy-the-sector economy, and the other than the other than political. Now, it's going to be able to land-lars to be that.

I'm going to tell I'm like this, there's three years ago. Tremant my friend's frick and IT. He said, why not not? You know, you're gila, what, I'm going to do you,

have a lot of blockchain. We justa just want to think that we're trying topless. Yeah. Bishan, if we're going to get to open the top of the top of the top of the top-notes, but he said if they're going to be it's going to be it. It's more than this. This top-less, the digital. And,

Maybe this is one of one. Yes, that's one. Haris, we've got to be long long. There's been, ma'amah. There's a person for the importance of our own to 2045? I was the most of the same the process is toot.

So I always nitip my own I'm to other, or I'm to say I'm saying to someone like if I'm in the other than I, to give you to the other than that, to create a lot of process. So, so. So, so,

we have to create, I, see, I'm doing that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to thank you to, I think I, with grumitancean, the pasturisitas, the vision is important to look at the world

process. Not just like, this, this, but in non-video, or in the three-dimension other, creativity to be process,

I'm a person who people who are really, not I'm going to be able, but if there's because if we're too, be it's uncied,

with tundacut, only that's just that, and that's just that. Yeah. Yeah, I think, we're not going to be more heabat than lumbud, that's it.

And, and, and, and, after, end, of the world, to enderita from amnesia of the

Yeah. To, to under from cognitive immunity, which we can not can't make a

facta, from ficts, And back to point the point that's how we have to we have to feel-suff for the importance of the technology. And, I think we had hit the button.

Maybe one of the job is how we can create transparency, accountability for things that thing that's all the other than has that's the human rights of asazes manusia free will and

and, yeah, right? That's right, thank you, Harris. Bapa, discusses with people to go and go through, always, talk about, yeah, but, but, it's just.

Thank you, thank you. and that's our people, a man, a human rights of Azazir, Thank you. This is an endgame.