Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Haryadi Gunawi: Sekolah S2 & S3 Gratis Tapi Malah Sepi Peminat?

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

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So, when before economic crisis, many, situations of Indonesia that to America, is still being made. So, it's still trend, that. So, yeah, I'm applying. Many places, yeah,

I'm sure, that's good at University of Wisconsin medicine, good yeah. So, yeah, so,

the site, so I'm going to University of Wisconsin, Madison. Apply to some other than other than

why? Why? Why, why, because, there, sometimes we're not think,

but, it's got in people, people, there, people, too, too,

people, too, the, alumni, B.P. Panabu, do many, the,

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uh, actually, I'm in general, yeah, I mean, yeah, think I'm going to be architect, yeah. But,

I remember, I'm going to see on say, TBI, U.S. , if, try, gambar-ikin, that's like,

besenang, down, I'm going to, so, how, I'm, so, I'm, so, I'm just demand

but, I'm, I'm, I don't have k'n't skill, and, And, computer science

yeah, yeah, yeah, until nowma said, so, ma'amma said, yeah, so, I'm going to, I'm, like, not, uh, not, uh,

not, the, uh, some, people, to Wisconsin, then, then, then, I,

uh, week, I, I'm, I'm, kind of, so, this,

but I, I'm, I'm not, I'm not-gertie I'm not-grasers, I look at right-gras-a-cure-bent, this is it, I'm-a-certain-a-n't-a-mail-a-l-l-a-l-l-a-l. I guess I'm-gare-a-mail, not-er-lap, but, yeah, try to catch up, like,

kre-h-hurtasiness. And then, yeah, so, then, yeah, from SMA, can, bundle-bundle, that, yeah, I'm sure-shucked, Also, I'm at Wisconsin, I'mathe, I'm 3%. I'm 8, 4th, I'm 8th, 4th. I remember IP per semester I, it's 3.4.

If for U.S., it's, it's a, if I'm usually, because in general, America, more generous, yeah, by IP, yeah. So, 3.4. Okay, but, look, three roommates, I'm all, 4.0. So, I think this is the turning point

my life, that I'm not. I think, I think, I'm going to say, I'm going to be like from, from Indonesia. Indonesia, yeah, from, yeah, from, so, yeah, from, so, yeah, so much, the BPA-K-P-A-P-Nabour, yeah. So, yeah, so, like, you know, I'm going to do, what, what, you know, what, you're going to what, you're going to-a-u-luck-in-a-old, you, what, is the, this is the, the moment, yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's success or not, you define

future career you, so so, yeah, really serious, uh, uh, starting point of my life, and also, uh,

I'm, uh, I'm, and, and, like, so, so,

um, skill, intellectual, mental, uh, spiritual, and so, yeah,

so, yeah, so, yeah, the turning point in my life, the 97, yeah, uh,

yeah, then, then, then, then last lulled, I'ma, mm-hmm, yeah. Amen. If I'm not, I'm sorry. Because, I'm not even I'm trying to spend, for time, to reset,

so, it's hard to, so much, to be able to reset, so, yeah. So, want, no, I want, I must sacrifice one of one, and,

that, I'm, I'm sacrifice. But when you, when you're, to get to, There's been there's been by the way of the way. Not enough of it. It's like step by step one semester.

So I remember, what, the semester first, if you're in informatica, maybe the time now, belajana, Java, or Python, which, what, the, kind, like, for us.

I, all along, I, already, it's easy plus, That's for the informatica, I'm not the concept pointers, yeah. So I remember the semester first in the project after I'm almost muntah, because staring

screen too long, quick, before, upcaca, inhale, fresh air, and it's really, men, men, muttah. But, it's, the one of one student my US, even if I was, he said, he muttac to laptop to, up the laptoping, to use, that, yeah.

So, yeah, so much It's just too, but, persistency, like, and then there's the same. Okay, like sense. It's, can't be logic-based, I can't, I'm gonna get back.

Lowe, also, I'm gonna'est I'm gonna'est to beckxed to beckxed, kind of, maybe, there's who, maybe focus here, in business, but I'll be able

class CS, yeah, sometimes, make project CSs the last minute, try, Har-har, bantuin-d-d-d-bant-in-d-d-d-d-d-d-l-dus.

And then I think, I think, I'm going to bea-it-you-you-all-you-all. So I think that's like I'm in-law-a-old-deged to teach, demen computer science also. Then, then, you know, from Ph.D. Yeah. So, now, from the moment for PhD, this, maybe, maybe, people, yeah, sometimes, yeah, we see, yeah, we'll see our heart together,

where, where I'magang, you know, like I'maugh, I'm going to say, in town the three, I'm going to bea. In fact, 5,000, going to beading through from the morning to night, while, When, like, like, like, medical, there's button-button, and it's got to be able to do you, so, what, uh, safe and, uh, uh, be fungues with good, you. Um, why unurucing one, five-month, seven-bulan, I, yeah. I've been, I'm sorry, boseny, yeah, I, uh, in, uh, in, uh, in, uh, in, uh, in, uh, in, uh, in

every 8-chat, I'm saying, like that's about the other than I'm going to do. But, yeah, from there, I know, okay, the way, I'm not, I'm not too much to industry, like,

because, but again, many people too, can't, you know, that's, yeah, want to make product so,

it's just, but, yeah, but, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm more,

the dynamica, little, let's, let's get, some, on, onchats, here, so, okay, okay, okay,

I'm going to graduate school. Now, from there, I just know, I'm sure I'm saying, I'm saying I'm saying about the concept PSD in America is, Kondo, S2, S3. And PST is basically gratis, basically, the bigai-in, uh,

and, and, and, and, then, when I was, I'm sure, what, uh, mama, uh, my, uh, uh, had been working hard, yeah, the thing, the goal of, you know, the U.S., that's it, that's it, And also, and then we're about 98, yeah, economy, Mariet, and the other.

So, yeah, byruntung my mom, I was justly, convert to dollar, yeah, quick, yeah, when it was. I said, yeah, it's just, for S-1. But, after that, you're on your own, so. So, yeah, when I see, oh, this P. This is free-st, get-bayyajain.

I'm, yeah, okay, why not, I, gain more knowledge, I'm going to get into, I'm going to work with a research, but, yeah, not bebaning people, so that's the thought of pursuing PhD, that's, well,

before, professor, that, professor, maybe, set up two, three years, in PhD, same, in PhD, can, past summer, can, we're,

we're doing, When in internship, even like, even like melancho, even like, I'm not, I'm not sure, yeah, tetap, in the behind meja. But I more than, maybe, yeah, kind of, gawd, sometimes, research, kind of advise students,

that. So, from there, before, I'm going, yeah, professor is the life, that's my life, that.

What's the topic? The time of 113? So, so, so, so, if, in computer science, yeah, but we're three pillars

just like, system, theory, or machine learning, that's the only, there's a lot of applied, I'm looking like, I'm in class

class, like system operations, database, networking, that's all along I'm the main database and networking, but I'm not picky

too, this is also, this is important to when we're maybe, we need PhD, that, yeah, we're just, it's okay, it's okay,

to not too, because perkeemang of time, too, it's quick so, it's quite, anyway, what you're playing, then it's, that's, that's, the process it. So, I, uh, I, I, uh, I, I, try professor database,

professor networking, not, came, and, you, to professor operating system, that, professor operating system, also, first, to talk-pintu, to senior-profess not, didn't give-bless, but the email-n't-cintu-cinted like senior-professor-lain,

but email-koh-gare-dur-dur-cassus-a-cary-cary-cary-truce. So, after, at least, and then-certain-certain-a-custom-law-lis-a-clice, who was-old-old-a-sac-sac-sac-sac-sist-a-old. So, to be honest, later-on, I'm sure, I'm sure-cust-in-re-re-rerererester-in, because assistant professor this, they're not even, yeah, so they're the student's, and group's still,

so yeah, so I'm, like, at group, like, in class S-1, research. So, from there, I'm going to, you know, system, system operation, yeah, that's the state, cloud computing, but systems, like, in general. So, that, that, research, research, I mean. Orang, what, people are people? Um, people, um, people, um,

people, um, but, um, the, um, the, the fathering, yeah, so, there, uh, there, uh, there, uh, but of them, people are people, um, yeah. After that, that, process,

what, what, what, what, what, the, carerjaan, and,

so, yeah, uh, so, uh, No, you've got to be in the industry too. Temptation to work in, what, yeah, the industry, is there, or,

or even when I'm going to be a good, you know, so. So, I think, temptation is very, yeah. Can we know if gajy in industry, because, you know, Google, Facebook, L1, L3, L4, there's, there.

There's not. There's been, there. I'm like, I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like, because I'm like I'm like so that's, so I'm professor, so phd, uh, because I'm also, uh, I'm not, like, when I was, when I was, to doleus, to do you know, this story of my life, I always lus, dek, last year. D'u-Du-1 2001, yeah.

That's about... 9-7, before 9-8. 2009, after. Wow. Yeah, so, when you apply PhD, it's competition's very much, because

many that lay-off from industry want to move graduate school. So, very competitive. I actually, not got to offer

but because because of the advisor two times after S-1 two-torn, so advisor that's something wrong so, so, so, banser it's, so, after, I'm going to, and then I'm sorry, PST, in Wisconsin, too, but, but, I'll tell you again, but for, to,

yeah, so, so, yeah, so, so, yeah, past, so, so, yeah, um, Abys, what, what, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, house, uh, market crash, yeah, uh, many positions, didn't have been open, that, um,

so, um, past interview, uh, didn't get, man, I'm gonna say, um, I think, um,

d'ap, the place, but, um, I, the, dot the budget in the middle, that,

yeah, so, yeah, free hiring, that, um, I think it's, uh,

bittersweet moment, and I'm, I'm a lot. But, I'm going to be able to offer from the industry. So, it's really, men, matter, test in the front of the industry. Or, want to postdoc,

you know, the gaiji industry is more better. Yeah, I'm going to be postdoc. I'm going to be a person at UCBerty who's I as a postdoc, so I'm... What's what you make in the end?

Tilt to postdoc. Yeah, back again. This is the industry. I think, back again, I think, back to be able to be able convinced really, like, I'm going to, like, yeah, past PSD, even to internship, like

Microsoft Research, melacquhance, it, it's not in my blood, so. So, this, it's not in my blood, like. So, this, it's been two a lot of the whole it's like you've got where I should be going yeah, so, I'd be decided postdoc, that yeah.

And it's a humbling moment too, yeah. So, buggling, uh, passing PTSD, because I can, this, this, did, divina by two professors that lullusan U.C. Berkeley, heabat really, interesting, really, uh, Now, now is one of my top professor

in community of my. So, so. So, so, so, so, the, well, in,

the, the nation, yeah, and got also honorable mention, that, like, Asian Dissertation Award,

but, but, I'm not not great, about how, how much apply to do professor.

So, so, better, It's really the PASI program to make sure better than the mindset so that's, I'm going to be able to

I'm going to be able to make sure you, maybe, two years ago, so so, when I was in 2009, when I interview it, I don't know the process interview is what, the process interview

professor, can, it's very, so, so. So, first, we have I've got to a time presentation about research we'll and a full day one and a half hour

it's a time time get to meet people, so it's a few professor in university to the university to be interview so I'm sorry

so I'm professor in my area I'm but also the professor in area other for them make sure, they can't they're not just to make sure you're

even making sure that's attractive professor in area I'm going to be able to becerer with area line, how much the relationship with my life, how much of the research I'm doing my life. Now, baguance, I've been learned, skill-neem-ne-a-dhaired.

So, So, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, then again, um, fine dining, three hours, uh, talk about,

talk about, so onus in, yeah, while, it's like, one professor or rame, rame,

if it's been three b'nourn'clock. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, it's, uh,

topic, mace, m'c. Istilan yeah, uh, he has been like, I'm like, like, there's one of the other than the other than Decahn's, and then you're talking, you know, what, come up to-a-older-secure.

And publication my name is number-one, number-two, in area. So, so, job, so, I'm going to, oh, I've got track record, publication in number one, number two. So I'm just number one-number-number-do-no-2. Then-de-k-khanes-law, I'll say, I'm sorry again. I'm agate-d-d-d-dug-l-l-in-dek-duk,

this de-can, I'm going to say, I'm not-a-d-d-joban. And, and, he, he's-old-a-law-a-lawed-old. You want to be a leader in the field, right?

I'm going to be able to-wurti, oh, okay. So, the answer. The answer is, I'm going to be given-old. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, so the answer to be a leader. the sky is the limit, I mean, I'm really, benignor visionary.

So, so I'm, so I'm learning, in 2009, that, wow, this, you need to take it seriously when I'm going to apply to, a professor at, what other, like, in top, you know, 30, 50 schools. It's very, very hard, that.

So, and now, now, on the other side of the table, I'm like, right. faculty candidate, can I'm I can't even get to know, but not yet yet be interview,

not yet be engaged with professors, professors in area other and soagerness. So, yeah, I think time is my friend, yeah.

I, to be honest, will be professor agate, like, tel-at, like, if, if, of the other than more than I'm not, but hey back okay, like, you're the top schools in the world.

Yes. Did you're still young? There's, there's, there's, I'm going to be able to be able to school in the US, did three times. There's, there's, there's, there's, there's in Toronto. And then, in America, basically, Chicago, there's the best one,

but I think the best one is Chicago. Well done. Thank you. So, so, when we're going to be professor, we can't becky, because I have looked at department many who's like to book area

area. Because area's a lot of department, so, not so, not even though, oh, I'm going to be able to, oh, I'm going to California or what, it's up, it's going to be, I'm going to be sure.

I'm going to be sure. When I applied, professor's only 20-a-huh, now, amper 50-that-in-all. You know, look at the data as a academician. Yes, I think so. I'm going to bea-research, but I also deemang-can

SDM, yeah, like that in Indonesia in the America, I'm like that's in my blood for convert-adig who's worth program from nothing to something, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, of course, I'm.

Kadangan, there's a student-you-trapardaptation, yeah, not want to be a bit more important. So I think that's my calling. I'm going to meet you. I'm going to meet you. Yeah. When I'maer in there, I'm just to get too.

Because, one, not many people who are there to be a chance to gnazure in the campus in America, apollary of the campus that's great, one, two, yeah, on the activities you're memobligation, or paper,

you're, you're back, to look back up to make sure, to make sure, that's going toy-dun-dun-dun, that's to America, not only to University of Chicago. Tell me. Why?

Why? Why? Yeah. So, maybe, something that, something that, something that, maybe not makes sense.

So, I think, past I, PSD, I think, I was a sepian as a lot of Indonesia, maybe PhDD stem, yeah, the subpian,

actually. Because in science, technology, engineering, mathematics, right-n-n-kirmy, time India, and Korean. If you're in Wisconsin,

rammer-rame, to Chicago, to eat China Town, or, go, to be barang. Tement, India, I'll see, go, go,

go-n-tond-barrang. This, not generalization, but, like, people, there, many people,

like to rock, I'm rockol, I'm just I'm inundasia, as well as far as as well, so, it's just something that makes sense

just, why, that's what I'm saying, actually, actually, KISD, is Komo S2, S3, in America, gratis, and

when we're, if we're, who's who, who's people, people, and can't, but, why, not many, I'm from the third PhDs to the first of the same.

So, um, uh, to, uh, to Indonesia visit universities. Uh, I'm, I'm,

I'm trying to get to get to mindset, mindset, sensuasasasua in Indonesia, this, um, this is,

so, sometimes I'm, maybe, but, do this kind of visit, to get to get more and maybe back, and and it's also mental

when it's the person, even it's actually, if you're coming to Indonesia, has to be able to NGO, the people, and other than. Although, to be honest, I feel like that, I'm going to work their, but it's a good exercise, that, yeah. So I, so I'm, I'm going to get to

get, that, about, you know, that that's mythos, but that's wrong, but maybe before that, if I was say, share statistics, yeah, I'm saying it's like what, I mean, I make sense it, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to be, so, so, so, statistics from National Science Foundation, national science foundation, is the number one government agency for promote science and engineering.

Like this is the closest, so. So, so far as statistic, the STEM, in 2000, there's 45,000 Ph.D graduates in one year. In America. In America, in America, so. Lalo, we'll see, from 45,000 this,

40% is actually international students, that, yeah. Maybe, maybe, people who are men, like us, let's the US, 1,000 people ishundredh yeah, it's,

international student, yeah. Wow. So, we're in the bidon STEM, yeah, STEM. So, yeah, international student is not minority.

Yeah. Many so, okay. Lally, okay? Lally, we're from origin, yeah, they're from where so, this, this, data that's data,

it's data long, So if we'll be 1st, let me guess, Tijuana. Yeah, it's Tijuana. From China, from China, from China, that's Tioncok, it's a number of PSD that in one year. The second, India, that's two rebu. The third, South Korea. Indonesia, only 82.

This, maybe, ranking 32, yeah. But we're in the top 5th. So, probably speaking. And economy, too, G20. No. 15. Right. So, maybe at least 15.

Yeah. Now, I'll back again. I'll back again. So, I'm back the country, India, South Korea, Iran, Taiwan, Turkey, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, Nepal, Colombia, Mexico, Brazil,

Brazil, Thailand, Egypt, Russia, Nigeria, Italy, France, Vietnam, Iraq, Japan, Greek, Pakistan, United Kingdom, Spain, Ghana, Chile, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore. Ghana. Yeah.

So, many other countries, maybe in between, that we're not-yangka too, yeah. It's not yet, it's notca too, and more than more than what? Because. Yeah, so,

because information that's beingalier, there's been many from diaspora in the country, so I'm taking, one, take,

Turkey, yeah. So, this I'm gonna amazed, and the anglety, Turkey, to 450,

in 2018, 450, PhD graduates. Then I'm in the last, in the last year ago, in a lot of the other than there's a person in a university in Maryland.

Professor is a bad. And, usually, when the professor in one department new that's going to bebeamang, they're also, pipeline, because,

because, you're, murid, And so much of the good, people who's the world, right? So how much guide people of

people who are to university he, so. So, he, he knows, the country and there's

many, top students, so, yeah. So, yeah. So, he, he's,

he's made, maybe, some such pipeline that, and, when, when they're coming back,

he has, he had to have the department of the people who's there, so, yeah, yeah, lullusan Turkey heabat hebat, then. Then, then, maybe they're going to be medin'nonger, like, miscellany, universities' ranking 1, 2, 3, in Turkey, so yeah.

So, there's no better than business, yeah. Like, it rings a bell, like, oh, nama univitazes XYZ, this, oh, because I've got because I'm not people are there. So from there, the student has been

quality, so the name of universities'n't and all the and other. So, so that's another example, when I was being assistant professor in 2012, I'm also new, I'm not sure, I'm

not know, this name University of International, but So, there's a Iran, good, Shariaif, Institute Technology. I'm not know

what, but only need to say, saying, oh, this is lulusan from

Institute Technology, this is good. I'm sure, don't, the

person I'm not, not, the people, but in the people, back, testimony like

that. Yeah, testimony like that. So, so, there's there's like like bigotah

business as I'm like, Rasaia, I guess say, I'm saying, oh, or I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm sure, that, you know.

So, so that's that, I mean, I mean, this, many, many, negat,

negat, but it takes time, right? Maybe 5, 10, 15, 20 years, that, so, after,

after, the name universe, it's branding, that, back, the universe in Indonesia, I'm not

not yet, the topic of the topic top of certain it's not very, because of the United other, other, but maybe

in the business, especially, if STEM, maybe I believe same, maybe still still still still,

so, um, um, not, um, not, um, the gonging,

the, ganghs, yeah, so, yeah, that, so, so,

that, so, that, from the, the to the world to the but I'm not yet, but I'm not yet.

I'm sorry to be able to so. So, okay, yeah. So, so, so, the, so, the,

we think, we're back, yeah, I'm, I'm, people, friends, that,

it's, people, people, to, people, and, yeah, when I'm,

yeah, I'm, maybe, thinker the, wow, heabab- really? pahed

money-duty-buck. It's about money-nebuck. Now, it's a problem that's up. Assumption that is the

same. So, when we talk about stamp, it's money much so,

the money is not in America. But we're universities A.S. Tidac-as, not come to us.

They don't do that. Because, because, because, damn, dim, down, all, So if we look, like that's-P-D-D-G, again,

P-S-D-T-D-T-G, I'll tell us, there's maybe four or five sources of funding. First, when it's been taken to PhD student, the first, the assistant-d-dosen, assistant-meng-a-jure. So, the, stiland-a-grat, get homework, bribunthewan, bantuin, making exam. that's theitain, gratis, then the money,

teaching assistant, yeah. Teaching assistant, yeah. That's the number ump, uh, haiati, the, uh,

mathematica, engineering, that rata rata, it's rata, between 10% by default, when you're just being

under PST, it's like being given teaching assistant. If you, if you're be able to bea when you're uprofts

better, that's DHS student, or assistant research, or assistant research. That, 40,000 P. P.S.D. student, it's paid by professor's being a research assistant. Why, the gankan's so big

because the data research people are many. So, like, if, a person, I submit proposal, we get millions of U.S. dollar. from the government. and I've said, I'm going to 70%

to say to the data to make sure to pay the PhD students this. So, we're gabonging just rata, 80%

when it's the termed as a PhD student, it's 80% it's, it's, will beiayy. So,

now, now, why, why, why, Indone's this is the, I'm a $1 billion dollar question.

This is a billion dollar, from where I think. So, I'm going to say, so we're going to be able to be able to be able to do you. Right. 6,000, is that you can't be able to lose only one time. But program PSD, can, it's usually 5-6-7-year, because it's combo. So, we're notarough, 6,000. So, if we're notlophone from the United,

we're not in America, we'll see how many, from Tjewks, okay, okay, one-year-year-old, uh-huhd student, uh, biaya tuition and other than, and, like, and, like, and, there are the $50,000, if at the top private school,

we're at $70,000. So, $36,000,000, $70,000, you ask, dollar. That's $2.5 billion. And, from $2.5 billion, that 80% it's the 80% it's the biopiating

automatically. Oh my gosh. Cisoriness that's either, or money and other other. So, from 2.5 billion this,

the country this is still in, the opportunity $2 billion U.S. dollar, or $30 trillion from America. Right?

This is the one... Indonesia, just 82. 82, back in 6,000, kalypt trillion, we're just And so-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-4 trillion.

Sedang-can, this opportunity to be able to America, that's the admission. So, in-sit-lis-a-must-a-loss of opportunity, because information-nation is not galer. And, we mean, we're also, we're just, yeah, diaspora also many of the U.S. who want to help, and, like,

we can do that. So that's $82-6-year $0.4 trillion, Rupia? Yeah, so... Yeah. $400 million, though. Yeah. $400 million.

Yeah. And, benefit that accrue to Tionkukk, that $2.8 million for $6. Yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah, so... Demand to make research in STEM, it's much so.

The money, We don't we've got to know, the number of America who's using computer science, STEM, and other than, it gets more. So, capacity for absorb teaching assistants,

better more. Capacitist assistance also also, you're, so, yeah. So, so, this is, this is, kind of,

is a lot of Indonesia, to bemanapen, to be America, is, the endangue, Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So, why? That's 1,000 like Korea South.

Right. Not 2,000 like India. Nother-6,000 like Tyeongk. Yeah, that's a great question, Pagita. So, I mean, I've got over time, I'm going,

I'm going to see there maybe 6-7 mythos. Mitos-Mittos that's wrong, assumption that's Yeah. Yeah. The first, I think,

Eight years later, I met with a good day, and I'm going to be able to be able to school. This, I'm going to be able to say to the students. Then I said, if I'm going to leamparking, what's the PhD, what career,

what career what, uh, what, this is in, the, this, the,

so, job, docent, docent, docent, docent, doc, docent, docent, that's assumption,

first, that that's the last year that's the last year's to the doctoratee, academicity, like I'm. I'm concerned, though, so that's the statistic is this.

This is the National Science Foundation there, every three years, they survey. That's an academician, the informatica, yeah, the computer, that's just 10%. 10% that's

So that's a professor, 80% to industry startup research lab, like Google, Facebook, meta, Microsoft, and other than other. 10% unknown, we can, you know,

we can't, not-issue. So, bankir. Or, consultant. Yeah, or consultant.

So, so, so, so, we did, that wasumsy, it was, 10, this ispola, this ispresent.

This is 10 of 10 actually, that's actually the 20% that's up to big industry. Now, maybe that's that I'm... I'm not blame mathesu. I'm not... I'maesu, I think, I'm not...

I'm not... ...segawed it, yeah. But, the question is, if, if, Google, how many engineers in Google who have puteastern... that's the same-hmm. how much of the same-hmm.

that's the Facebook, or Uber, or Lyft, and other than other, who's probably 10%. So, maybe we're not making sense. Why, why, why, can't, how can't be able to see how many PSD? Well, it's very simple just. We're as a user, Google, or Facebook,

everything so fast, everything so simple, everything so reliable, right? is it's just a system billion users in the same so much more than realigable, data not been elang downed just one time, maybe just 50,

yeah, maybe, between five minutes to one, one, one, that's not gampenning. That's not,

yeah, science. So, so, because I, past PhD, I just said, oh,

this, oh, this, computer science. Dool, S. computer science. programming. If I'm like,

if I'm like, um, and like that, like, oh, so, programming what, programming language, what? But that's just a tool,

right? But, the behind it, there's science. I can't tellang-in, in one minute. But if,

if, if, if you can't think, Google, what, is, P.D. The, P.S.D.

, doctor of philosophy. It's the philosophy of computing system in the backangu. Now, miscelling, yet,

like, seru, right? Open AI company's. It's, the academy a, academy,

many, research large language models, LLM. Right? Very, very, very, so, the lusance

got to do industry, 80%. So, So, P-B-B-B-D-d-to-d-dozen, that in the computer, it's allah, I'm not,

I've got, quite-courang-tough, yeah, if I'm not, but I'm sure, many who might be able to industry, so. So, maybe, people, too, are there,

not many, can, who's got to be d'osan, as far as far as statistics, if all want to be dosan, not there,

yeah, so, so it's okay, so, it's okay, so, so, so, maybe, PhD, to be able to be able to be able to be it.

But what fundamental is minate to learn stem in the country like America that's even not many that's that's

that's or maybe minat'n't but but the competency is this this is that

this is because to get BASISWA or the or the law of the law in the law, who's the law, he's also, he's also,

yes, competencies. Yes, which, which from Tyeongk, India, Korea, South and Duy,

including Ghana, the ranking in the across Indonesia. Yeah, right? Now, that's how much, the penicaping. Yeah,

so, so we're going to, exactly, we're going to we go to MITOS line, yeah. Yeah. Mythos two,

I could skip, so, so I'm just, so I'm I'm from I'm from because I'm going to ask you, prof, there's Beasheuah, not? I'm, so I'm, I'm going to.

Why, why? The question's that, and, yeah, I'm going to get, that, that, for meekirang, to, for the American, can, even tuition is mahal so, yeah, unbelievable mahaling, not even

can't be using, money, and, so. So, so, we're, depend on the data, Danda, Deneer, or Deneer, Dene, or Deneer,

Fulbright, LPDP, but, but, but, probably, yeah, that's probably, yeah, not, not many, but,

from the population, maybe, uh, aghug, yeah, so, yeah,

so much, um, so, so I'm many, many, many, universities,

that I'm there, yeah, from the murit, yeah, uh, many, universities in Australia,

or in Asia, and Europe, that, to, yeah, why, they're, they're,

they're, school in Indonesia. Because they're hebratee. They're taught up to our master program. It's free tuition, free tuition, and and, and, like, and, like, don't know how much to feel, maybe, come to be that.

Because, again, actually, this situation, show-as-usiness heabat, but, but, but they're, they're taking with maybe a couple master program in Europe, Asia. So, before they're going to hear the U.S. that's more difficult, this is it's a lot of,

isleth, there's there's over-ganty, gantenging that's just like to pelok, but I can't counter it, if we can't look at, the representation Indonesia, it's, it's just 4,000. That from Tijuana,

200,000. Disparortionately larger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Australia, if not the same, the people, around Indonesia, how about, 13,000. Tijuana, Jailchalbibank, India, Jal, be much.

I can't even more than, tarant from Sri Lanka more than we're more than we're yeah, yeah, can't be able to be able to yeah yeah. Now, it's okay

like, that that's one of the last one of the lawson yeah, that's the end up that yeah, so, yeah,

the, basically, that, that, that, uh, uh, uh,

but this is not a freelance, there's not a freelance, there, there's, there, there, the,

um, the, how, financial support, so, so that, that's the way, we're going to be able to support the murid of S-1

to do with work, so, so, yeah. So, first, the, I'm, I'm, for the student-S-1, what's-to-what-weat-a-P-P. So, we're target, kejer-kecher IP.

If, in Informatica, we, in S-1, also, many of the, programming competition and 99 and 99 and and again, and again, and again, and even internship in the company. It's all good so much

with it, yeah. But it's good, maybe if you've been, if you're to move to industry, in, right to, but if you're, but to come back

to, what I said, PISD, combo S2, S3, it's really, there's beenernering, there's becal research, so, so, sometimes I have application,

there's a GPA that's just 3. but there's a lot of the same. Versus the IPs that I'm notar reset, I'll be able to make the 3.5. Because it's already proven track record. So I'm seeing it also so even though I'maunt, but in resumed,

it's still level with the other than the other than the other than we're I mean, that's the last the other than the the other than I'merica, that's the same I'm sorry, that's

kind of combo S2, S3. That's also I just know a couple of years. If we're talking, you thinkin PhD. For the Mood S-1, can pickeruner S-3. PSD, can S-3.

Oh, that's long. S-2 a bit. To make amel S-2, And, we're because we're uprored as well, apply S2 again. So, so that's I look, if I'm in Europe, Canada, Australia, So, so S3, so much T3, but S2-D is that's-you-old.

But if you're in America, it's interesting. P-S-D, isle-T, is combo S-2-S-3. So, the istiland-ness, it's the system. And that's the time, the number of China, it's long-one, many majority of S-1. So, from S-1, they've already put-beckle-Riset. That, resume-y, it's done-boggos, is up, so much so much of the same.

So, now, now, I'm not sure, why, why, see, America better because of, whether, they're using inches or whatever, better, so. So, right? So, can, tuition S-1, is much.

So, like, yeah, so it's-susue, domestic, you want, to go, am, am, to loan. If, if, they're, S-1, already, then, then,

then, I'm thinking, P. P. Then, S2, S2, S2, more than, maybe not, he's not heikkiran to Sono, so. So, I mean, I'm backer, so

the same reason. So, because, P.S.D., in America, the combo S2, S3. So, 5-tawn, but yeah, 2-town master,

3-town PhD, that. So, the, you know, you know, the master, you're, yeah?

So, master in America, there are two MECC, program, and one, the final program. Terminal program,

that's more than the more than the other, that's the way. Menor's the idea, this is important so, maybe, I think, will be able to be able to, oh, yeah,

don't know, not-wisor-pikinan S-2. Back, Pat, Gita, for America, if this is-s-2 in Indonesia, disuru-amble-l again, not can't bepercepat

program PhD-Ns, discerrug-lang-lagued, So there's one One of the other Oneeb that's also research with me He already did take Mood Pintar,

did take care in Advanced Institute of Science Technology, Master For the KALAN their Hebat, I mean, it's got master, fellowship, scholarship

at Kais, he's been tempted really to go, but I'm trying I'm not-a-a, but, you know, you know, you know, please trust me, like, if you're going to be able to U.S., want, what, what, long-term P-S., you, to Kays, you'll, maybe, um, able to class, many, so you,

malag, not even do research, and two-torn, and then, America, you go, come to ask, but I said, but I said, I'm still again, I'm sure you're, I'm sure. because I've got, I've got babybit yeah, yeah, thankfully, he's doneer, that advice I'm, yeah, yeah, well, now,

now, it's gonna be able to program PhD, that, so, so, yeah, than to master, do you. So, so,

it's, the beauty is in the details, yeah, if, want success, that, we have to see, this is the

assumsy, assumption, what's the same, that's all, we're, we're, we're, bit,

little, one, one, What's about like, this. This is good, this is probably This is the clarification. But the most Sering Kedneran, who, who, who

Mennan, who's Yeah, right? And then, then, and then, and then, and then, now, now, now, let's go. Now, now, now, we're gonna' P.S.D. Can, have to be able to

beainginan. Has to look, oh, this attractive, that, yeah. I'm this is, this is that's the last. I'm sorry, this is important.

So, maybe the case istta, like Einstein and like, we're just in lab, in basement, seharian, not there's a matter, not there's an experiment, that, yeah.

Now, I just can't be able to bechara from computer science, that. If, if, if, P.D, it's, not there's boring, boring, because

because of the computer science, very, very well connected to what the big industry is going in the next five to 10 years. So, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm, uh, I'm a, uh, conference where I'm playing, it's, the name's OSP, or

DOSDI, that's, you know, and, um, um, maybe, still search SOSP. I, I, I challenge, my, my, Publication, the SOSP in the last, or OSDI in the last 10 years. can't look at 20% papers that papers that's

from industry, from Google Brain, from Microsoft, and other than that. Now, we're like to haveo machine learning. In machine learning, one of infrastructure open source that's the most of the sensor flow. TensorFlow is that the team Google Brain.

He makes publication, in my own side, in OSDI. Inconferencing, where are the academician, at MIT, Stanford, Chicago, so we're going to see the conference in same, I'm seeing the paper from universities other, but I also look at paper, paper, paper, from top industry.

So, we can see how design the tensor flow and and other, like, and we can't get. So, the isolation, can, I mean, the behind Google, there is a big science and engineering, how how much infrastructure, how much more than how mucherflow, basically, power a lot of data scientists to be expressed machine learning algorithm

and can't be executions in thousands of machines in a lot ofmatis, so. So, so, so, like, that. Another example, we look Facebook, metta, is, demen, yeah, look photo, is it. We're just, we're back, yeah. why, how,

the time time uploads, or click next-nexts yeah? Now, it's kind of there's science and engineering yeah. Actually,

there's publication also at the conference that's name-Nap photo storage. So, this team lullusan

PhD-Nia, he scrap some design old database. He, he bickin some scratch from the

back, from, from hardware-ne- from, all-a-machem, making full-end-to-end. Intin-in-unt-in. Intin-untin-old,

to serve billions of users who want to look look photo nostalgia in the last year. So, it's quick. It's a science. Caching, pre-fetching, and other than other. And it's published

in conference that same. So, so, research we're really better better than industry, there's some I'll tell me,

I'm going to say Indonesian PhD students who's already in America. They're demen like, really, really, really, really, and the real-sue-sru.

And challenge yeah, there's too, that's another, the two, the same, the concept PhD, the lab, the above,

just experiment, what, just for, maybe 20 time, it's wrong, this, this, this, in computer science,

we, researches many, there's, there's a, there's a lot, there, there's, there, there,

there, there, even, one, one, the, so, there, So very, very, very, and connected.

Lalo, this is, not embossan-k, because PhD students, usually, can, the campus, can nine-bun-s-month-s-s-summer. Lull, and summer, can, they're beabas.

If, more, more, more, to campus, but, but many, they're internship. Right? Internship, where? Yeah, because research

I, research we're in, research we're in computer science, with the industry, minute is internship to Google. Murrit-murid PhD students I'm internship to Microsoft Research,

Samsung Research, Facebook, and that's so-seru, internship in campus Facebook and and other than-lain, can't see what what's just-you-old-olde. PhD program, that's basically five-tawn.

So, you know, for visa holder, we can be able internship four-kali. So, to Facebook, to do, do you know, we're big, so. So, like I'm not sure I'm like that's true,

liken't yeah, internship to industry, so, really, really, not only one-dimensional, like academic, but really,

really, really, really, and, so, so, so, so,

that's, that's what I said, we can't, we can't, but, yeah, we're, we're,

information is very much. And, because we're like that's that's about the top of six-redu-one, if you're going to be able to a cultural, social condition, where they're single-child policy, yeah. So, many of the ULUSD from America, actually, they want to stay in America,

to work. But, really, they're many single-child-palsy, they're stillsure they're the other people. they're lusan America. They're resett with the industry

guess what? They're talking they can reverse engineer that Google did kick out Facebook did kick out

we're making in-house and then-n't- because capacity, because capacity lusan PSD's has been back to Kampung Halaman

so. So, so we have made scale. because we're kind of because we're going to be able to be able to be it. But when I'm going to say, we're not hard because there's a lot more network,

but there's still there who's there's going to. So, yeah. So, that's it, you know, Pat Gita, mythos mythos, that, oh, PSD, boson, PSD overkill, not there industry that can't, so that's up, so that's uphaping,

that's uphaping that's like that, we can't make sure we can't make-ership-uping-dispark to get an opportunity in. Tiongok, that's a banka that's been over-biasa over-biasa-5-000. But, masiery-en-haus,

to find out of the time-pac-a-liped. Yeah. I think I've got abyspicker. Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, we're just, yeah, but not as long as what

that's been done by Tijuana. But we're like, kind of hausan, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, sometimes, again, I'm not, there's a cuturnan, there's a, yeah.

So, if I, if I look, if I'm, it's, I'm, it's, that's 1060s

we're in Indonesia slundupin to Tijuana because Tijuana Tijuana is a skin'n't Miscuineny. 60-an Yeah, I'm saying too.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. So, top 10 country of origin lusation Ph.D. in America,

exactly. Torn 1880, Tijuana, not munched, not munched not come up 10, but toot-to, to-to-de-n-n-n-nuc-natured to-to-to-to-to-to-to-

in top 10. So, among there must have massive movement, yeah, maybe from top down, and also from bottom up, to be able to put forward, to make a mindset, that there's opportunity

that maybe more, more serious, more good, but the way it's not gampang. We have, there's no freelance, we have to be able to, We have to have to have to have two, I can't talk about Garuda Ilmo Computer.

Yeah. Yeah. But, before that's it, this, from six or seven mitos that you're not, two that's really, benepal, too, the benedat's one that's on the penitanaan. Yeah.

That's very, it's not been pathaken. Yeah. Yeah, right? Yeah, can what you've got to be. Yeah, what the two? Yeah, I don't know how, back. It's about brain drain I'm going to brain drain.

I'm not sure I'm afraid about what that's about my friend's that's brain linkage or brain circulation. Right, right. And I'm banga if people were

people by the people too, by LPDP, or by the biopoeuvres, or the United States or Europe or for school at the world, and then, he's a work in-law, Two-year-year-year-year-year-one, like,

I'm going to be a lot. Penambahed-upor-upon-upon-you-timbabed that can be a manpower for us Yeah. ...secure-per-success after he's done there. Yeah, right? And that's that, if, I think,

if I think of India, Tionkok and all right-a-oh. You want to stay there, it's-a-pac-pac-a-pac-pac-sucur, we can't Google. Sucur, shuque, we can't make a good-souc, like eBay. Sucur-sucur, we can make a business like Facebook or whatever. It's a good. Yeah. And that, okay, how,

this, so, from 82, we can't be able to $6,000? I'll touch a little bit about brain, or linkage. I'm sure. I'm just looking, I've got to look podcast video, Pagita, with, if I'm sorry, ambassador, yeah, or what about the work in. So, yeah. So, yeah.

So, yeah. So, maybe, we're talking about branding case, we're really we're touch diaspora, yeah. Diaspora academia, diaspora in industry. If I'm, we're talking,

they're not sure. They're red-footing, right? Right? Right. They're... You're, ...a, ...andadda,

from... ...aughanmapariff. Yeah, yeah. That's long story, too. Like, here, Rariati. Maybe we can't jump to that. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, but there's got there's going to garrison this? But why can't? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great question. I asked you before, but I want to ask you.

Right. Sometimes it's emotional also. So, we look back past I'ma-American 97. So, right, so I've been said, I've said, I've got, yeah, And I'ma, end upendal, and the end up to America, oh, turning point, has serious, yeah.

Lull, to hit 98, May 9.98, economic crisis, Chinese persecution, and and other than other, yeah. So, and I'm even agaract active in Percutuan. We got video from Indonesia, Bagua,

from activists. And not only May 98, that's aubon, of the U-Sawau, because of 2-3-3-tile. So, that, we've got, too, video from Indonesia, raw footage of the riot and other than and other.

And, but we're not sure, shock therapy. Can, dole-S-D-S-M-A, SMP is just, yeah, assal-as-l-l-l-th. And, toot-to, most-reous, this, di-hageer video

like this, like we're like we're in front of I'm going to be like that when I'm going to be able to in one roomer, yeah, there are 20 maybe I'm, yeah,

all of silence only, yeah, I mean, we'll look, we're looking, we can, di Ambon or in poso, bay,

who's been, the palani, been blown, kind of, got temback, the potak, it's, ag, gross,

yeah. like, people who's gotopalah the people, out of the people, who's looking like, people, people, people,

peccas, and a can, so, really, row, what, footage, yeah, so, right? So, from, I think, yeah, shock therapy, that's, gila, yeah, this, we're, we're looking,

we're in America, we look, advanced, and in Indonesia, we're in Indonesia, and we're in America, and we're in even, and we're in front-in-day-down, and so, actually, yeah, the time we've seen, we're, we're in, we're in 20-tawn, from nothing, from miskin, to something,

so, yeah. So, from there, even, in perspective, I, too, we've been, But from the other than the other than what? We're going to be a double minority, I'm saying I'm saying I, Christian, and what I'm going to be, what, what, what, what, what, so what, so what, what, what, so.

So, what, what, and it's, it's about, and it's about in Percutuan we, that, but, you know, about, what, uh, book injil, and, but, you know, I mean, and, and, And even, can there's the law cultural mandate, that's like,

we're giving to be able to be a suit, so, yeah. So, yeah, from that's also, yeah, and also, from passion,

what, yeah, manhage, if, if I'm a , I'm gonna be able to say, I'm not gonna give up,

yeah. I think, um, I'm, I'm, we're gonna give up, yeah. Yeah.

Wormousa. Abysa. Okay. So, then the program you're the end of the Garuda, what that?

Yeah, Garuda Ilmo Computer, gig. Yeah. So, when I did assistant professor in 2012,

I saw, I'm trying to start something initiative little, yeah. So, and I'm

I'm the time's especially, right, right? So, so I'm going to beaughan the system, that we're always sabar. Or, to make ecosystem new, we have to be able to because, first, people who researches in system, we're

know, oh, gagal there, gagged here, yeah. Susa-bucked-buck-a-bogglese, I, basically, I'd bea-two-two-tawn, that, yeah. So, we need to start somewhere, So I'm from small from from from from from from I'm from from from

computer. I'm called on a gig like a nerd. You want to be a gig? Do you want to be a geek? Do you want to be a geek and join us? Okay. So yeah, Garuda also can

again, what, diversity, yeah, unity, you know, so, yeah. So, I'm very simple, that. Yeah, I'm going to, um, in 2005, two years, we want to make, we can't even 50 every time in the big of the computer, that's the way, from Indonesia.

Yeah, that's the hopean I. 50, must be possible, yeah. Taddy we're banding it with the number 6,000 from the Hong Kongk, that. So, that, that, that's the vision. And, it's the time, that's actually, actually, actually, touch brain linkage. Harapant, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yet, yeah, making, making linkage, that's, I'm going to do with, yeah, about brain linkage, yeah, because, I'm still remember, I'm sure, I'm not. But, in fact, if we're back,

again, we're in diaspora, this is there, many red, right, yeah. But when they, they're, they're, they're, they're not, but

but we're about Indonesia we're talking about in all the other elements yeah, if in America I'm gonna joke yeah, from red,

yeah, so yeah, so yeah, enjoy life as much in America, and yeah, yeah, it makes sense

a just, I mean, I mean, bureaucracy, we're, we're, we're, sometimes,

there's been banspora, there, there's people, there, this, this, this, This is, maybe in the podcast this

this is just touch computer science, though. There's no shortcut. There's no shortcut. There's no boilerplate, where there's one way that's all that. This is probably diaspora in every bitang we,

we're not, we're not doing business, even diaspora that's in the industry, I mean, the per-industrian. We must, I mean, we have to be,

resap, how much it's back again. I think the problem, maybe, I'm not expert, why linkage it's not too, not too, not too. So, so back again

to Garuda Ilm computer, so I'm hoping I'm making more skill, we're linkagees more much. Sogher, maybe they can make up the technology,

social, cultural, and, and, and, line. Philosophy Garuda Computer, mirroof, again, we're saying small-scale, but I also

even saw look documentary Netflix. This Mr. Muhammad Yunus who, for small medium business, yeah, menang Nobel Prize. Lalo, he said,

why, Pohan bonsai, pendek? Oh, yeah, why, you know, the pond bonsai and then, then, he'll beauntary,

you know, let's puttank hudan hudan, picket the best, bibit, the pond, from the pohont from the poxon,

you know, putt in pot the small. The, the, it's just, one, it's just,

it's, it's, what, the, bit bit, or pot, or pot. Right.

Now, so, So, unfortunately, unfortunately, butbidna is important. So it's not a system yet. We don't have scale that massive, diaspora that much, don't have information that's going to be. So I think philosophy is same, that's how we're making up-exoism

that's more good for future SDM Indonesia can move to the world global, and be competencies the world global. Now, we're going to I'm going to simple. Sure, first, not ushance advance, advance, oh, research, has what do you?

Has it's what skill what, and then, I'm going to be from first. If you're people who want to be thinking, for example, let's turn, PSD, STEM, in America, first, you know, to find out of time. Sobaring, in Indonesia, as far as a week, we can't be able to be able to do research.

We don't say, oh, has advanced first, have skills, has capacity, research. We don't want to go to go. We're going to, sit down, relax. isisicam 20-per-per-a-month-and-a-month-old. Why? Why, how to get-so-git-bany? Because, it's back-lack.

To be a person who, resumptioning with Thailand, India, South Korea, and other than-n-lain, they've got to do. S-s-s-s-s. S-hmm, while we're in the first-N-Noh-N-A-1

in Indonesia that's-be-old-old right very heavy on courses, you know, six-class or semester. So, when I,

when I heard program Mb-B-Q-A-N-N-A-N-N-A-N- I'm excited really, this this is a-rex-rength-a-old, because, yeah,

maybe, for the men-thens but, but, but for the other than that's people, but for the time for the same-day-a-a-america, which I said said, gratis, shrew, and, and, like, and, and, they can be more time to make presuppership-kind of with 20-jam that, to make, make,

well, this sacrifice that's very much. To be honest, because we know, in S-a, many-competition, a lot of competition. programming competition, not be it-a-mitted for VSD-A-Mission,

because it's too many. Terlough many local programming competition so, like, uh, uh, not-a-arty-uh, that's just international competition, but, can, just, just a little from Indonesia

who can be cut. So, the number of headcounts that's like that's like that's like that's like that's like that's like the second is like that's a lot. Yeah, yeah, there's time time I know active organization yeah, it's 10-15 jim per mingue,

yeah, it's just three-jama just per mingue. And then we can't, hangout with with my friends. Well, maybe it's, already, londy just, lonely just in apartment, yeah, in the camera, so.

Yeah, so this is sacrifice, But, again, the reward is the at the the end of the end up to take this, to go through this, so, so I'm going to be able to do this, yeah? If not had a while, we're not, we can't be able to

make sure that. So, so that's, so, because I, I was, I back, program Nadim MBCM is, to, the, from implementation,

that maybe, a bit more complex, that, that, I mean, it's, it, it's, it's,

I'm, I'm not for school, I'm not quite a lot of students. This is a lot of university, many of the students, many students' muda, who's just to be in-s-3. Then I'm saying, okay, we can't do research.

There, not 20-jamb-miming? There's not, no, no, no. Because, the student-muda, who I'm not an expert, but what I heard, yeah, dis-sibucan administracy, dis-sibucan gajar, many, that's in this.

So how to do you know, so much more than you can't be able to go ahead. In the U.S. Now, when I'm going to be able, actually, really, there's time. Now, we're going to be, we can't be competes in global.

This, when I'm talking about when I'm a assistant professor, this, can, when I'm just on the other side of the table. I'm now on the other side of the table. So, now, pern't know, Magida. I'm

I'm from people from over the world. So, said, I'm going to research with me. So, oh, remote research that's, it's, it's, because it's just peru laptop, internet, and

the time. So, so, this is how it works. Oh, this is how it works. in computer science. If in-hmm, maybe in-gutern, I'm not even-called, maybe, because of the same, but if you're just

better. This day is open-source, open-data. Not-pardu, like, hebo-hebo-oh, visiting students to the University of Chicago, not-purned. That's mahal, pend-gank, jang-na.

So, the, this I'm from here, this I'm talking, again, I'm doing, remote research, but from the people, but from the world people, that's a lot of people. I gave me a lot of

school, there's a student of technology that, he email my name said, I'm number one, number one in the beds, and he wants research. He said, because the reason he is he wants to graduate school to US. Then he'll continue, to list email I. I said, I've got to publication

I'm I'm like the bit of the system. Now, when I'm like that, I'm attracted with students, what I'm, because the school is,

because the same-as-as-al-as-lan. From the 50 email that, many of assail-as-as-al-an. I'm not research in I-O-T. Why, you know, email my-you-?

But if you're not... Yeah. Yeah. ...sebelum-in-re-re-sue. Exactly. Yeah, just. Yeah, just-as-as-al-as-and.

But, if, if, really, decrafted, we're... We're PR. we're trying PR. the AS, where's see? because we're sure. We're not sure.

We're talking about it. We can't even use reproducied some of the experiment they, they're making of our, reseruosity, yeah, I said, correct, this.

Okay, but I'm not three-bunned, I said, because, because, what, three-you'll be just wasting my time. Because I can't be because I'm not buntook you

in three-bun. But if you commit one-one to two-tawn, trust me, everyone commit with remotely with me, they go somewhere, so,

yeah. After two-torn, one-two-town, he published, he's been co-author with me, with group my. Wow,

yeah. Second co-author. First author, Ph. I'm from Indonesia, asalek, in the T. So, so the RACC is second author. Hanyuble, only relationship remotely. This is published in a conference that's called Asplos.

This is a great-biasa. We've already already this too. But this, this, this, this, one way backdoor to scale. Yes. Yes. Yes. Amka.

And with a lot of the Gapaguerre, and with they're going to get-gallek, not mampu, buy ticket bus to Jakarta, not mampu, but he can't get whartel, there's Wi-Fi, connect with you,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Am persistency. This is a lot,

this is a lot of stress, many depraiser, and this is right. Yeah. This, this, this, this ishaghered-a-hap? If you're like, what you've got, can't be able to make-producing 1,000?

I'm sure, I'm sure, but... Masa, from 280 million people, not there. So, I'm sure, but we need, but we need a ecosystem, because we're not... We're not able to be able to be able to be able to be a lot. So, yeah? Yeah, not, not, not, it's just. But if we're still...

Yes. There's not a lot of the law. So, exactly. The same is, sometimes, I'm talking about in the people are mindset we have

not only data BASISW. Right. Right. We're being born BASISWA. Yeah. We're always

change the data BASISW as what to data the money personapan or data

or dammingingan or data research but but the bestilessua, but if you're not yet, well, here's your money. But this is more difficult, but we'll be able to unlock bigger opportunity. I think of it's going to be able to be able to be able to be able to do. Yeah, can? can't have you have you have to have to do you know what I'm going to do.

That's, I'm going to say, that's a testament. That's, yeah, as jago anyone you know, the University of Chicago. Yeah. And for he can, what, yeah, legitimation the pedigern of his, It's just that he's Not only only for the key

It's going to be able to university Chicago just again. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm back again to publication this benefit, this, this, this,

This is this Rex this publication at conference Asplos with me. This is the last paper from MIT, there are six paper from Stanford and five papers from Cornell, Princeton, and

and then, and so. And when Ketka Rex published, he brought the name institution, institution, Beijing, I'm sorry, Beijing Institute of Technology.

So, so I'm saying, the institution, the institution, you know, not, the same level, with conference, with top school this. There's not, like, that's from school

from Indonesia? Yeah, so, it's... So, it's sure, the Garuda Ilmo Computer, plan, time, cape, doong, dorong, dick,

little, the time this, there's 20 PhD students in Indonesia, who in America. Wow. They're in Chicago,

did Duke University, there's some, the same you. I'm sorry, yeah, When I'm going to target, it's great, it's up to FUTY is it, it's not yet,

it's true, yeah, asal, asal, this, this is, grateful, they're grateful,

they're, with the concept this, yeah, matter-mattie, yeah, matty-and, 20-jum per week,

right? And, then, two-ta-ta-n-n-krie-a-offer good, from unicorn, or, company, right,

or master-ve-felloship, But they're They're willing, even if they're Lodalus, maybe, yeah, part-time job just, sop just the rest of research, so. So, kind, can, maybe, well, enough, yeah,

when it's not too, so, so, so, they're kind of delay one-tourn, too, so. Now, so, so, so, and they're in, yeah, many, many, of the top uni in Indonesia. So, so 20,

that's been in, If we're 20-8, can't 2-8, because 2-8, you're going to 20-200, it's still long. Because I, I mean, I mean, this is indeed. But they're also not research with me. I'm just making-ajerked that system like that was. So, they're saying, like, to, you know, so professor AES-Leyn, you know?

Professor in America-Lan, can be many. So we have to depend So we have to depend on So we need to pay-up U-U-N-U-N-Y and U-N-I, like a talk-down This, anybody, you know, I'm-combe, anybody could do this. But, it's long, English has to improve,

and other than other, yeah. Now, the 20, can be a result. The guy's-out, that's-gagulled, is it's 40. the middle. So, I'm going to say, you know, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, but, yeah,

after three months, many, many factors that make sure that you're but you're only who's only only who's

actually that. So, I'm going to apply, you're going to work together. Oh, but, right, right,

right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but,

But I'm like, Ibarre-a-gird-baling, you know, you've got to gung-kir-baling, for the kentingan to people in Indonesia, eh, who's like, you know-k, malacucing, do you know,

if there's a guy, yeah, who's co-author, one publication with them. That's repulcationse, which, which, that's prestigious-banked,

that, that, that's, that, yeah, yeah, yeah, Nempel-as

Nameda-its-in-a-institus In-Nusia, you know, right, and it's about. And, yeah, maybe, it's just little,

that's, but, but if we talk about publication, that's also, that's the standard-n-

bad, like, like, like, I'm not an expert, yeah, but for, for,

misdivation, you, yeah, and, like, journal, journal, certain-tut-

If in America, like score, like, like, like, for the top 50 schools. So, the name's, like, in computer science, that, the conference is, more important than journal. If you're the area other,

physics, journal, more than the conference. So, if you're going to presentation. This I didger, yeah, when I was, I know, I don't know, maybe, not know, maybe,

If you're the author of Indonesia, if you're first author, want to the world, for the world, for the money to cover. So, back again, what I said I said, there's bureaucracies,

bureaucracies, like that, so we can't be able to make, in this case, cancha, in this case, we have done, if we're going to be able to,

if you, you must present. You know, you see? You know, you know what I'm bimblecant? Yeah. So, for people Indonesia, anguploveled, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Lulus. Yeah. Lulus SAT. Yeah. Lulus G-MAT. LULUS GRI.

Lus whatever, yeah. And then-gap-a-R-A-Bimble-in to them, they can't top-bohem-E-A-D-FISica, mathematics, biology, because that's the way, that's what I'm not going to be,

that's what I'm going to be able to be. I agree with, that's important, we're going to be there, there's rhetoric, talent management, yeah, from the president, and I think,

that's good, that I said, that's successan to be able to be able to, misoomisd, or even to go into industry

in area that, it's different different, strategy is different, I'ma. I'maugh-you-you-hmm. For example,

you know, for the war in the hutsa, yeah. So, I have, I'm in film, War Machine,

that, Brad Pitt, yeah, about the general-hebathed in Iraq, that's not, doesn't,

have to, we're not to, I'm not, I'm going to, that, that's the, that's the, so-

so- when we're, being- -ing-an- -it- that. I'm just to make sure. I'm not not as a lot of computer, not use the area that's same as well as computer science.

Can I just said they said, pilarn't there's a lot of pilarn't. There's a system, there's theory, there in machine learning. This is a way to move to system versus to machine learning. To be a better. To be it. Yeah, better again, carer. has two-a-a-a-a-a-haping, that's-a-haping it, so that's-a-a-pure-as-a-pocket-up-purp-sure-a-a-pac-sus-a-a-sus-a. So, so, the, it's-a-gampang, but, thisil-a-it-a-cuit-a-sus-a-sus-a-sus-a-sus-a-old.

So I'm so grateful in this, I'm sure I'm very time philanthropist, the people. The people are, many people, many,

many, people, we've got to small skill, with Camdickwood, make-sureasame between dosan,

with research assistants in Indonesia, with Professor A.S. So, not lewet to uni-reliationship, not go to gof to gov. this is just as long as long as long as long as long as we're using the invisible hands

yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's like this year. Soalya, I'm like, I'm not even I'm not even can't be able 100 students more research

with me, not even, but at the same time can, how many people are about many people in America who work together

with students, and losan, and students from other other than we're not. We're not... If we're

We're... If, people, we're people, people, people, we're from, Singapore, India, in America.

There's what, like you? There's people like you, people who are in America? If you're in just, what I'm saying, maybe, it's just between 4-7-5, yeah. Gila.

Balik, again, it's... How many? How much? University of Chicago? There, Boston University. There's one, alumni TB. He's at North Carolina State University

if I'm not sure, now that's the department chair at the University of Central Florida. Okay. There's also, the Ranseller Polytechnic. Okay. Muggen, maybe there's

that, many, you know. And that's what I said, they were in Aspora with the same, the program from Kempdikwood program

small, like, they're they're just, they're, themin' but, but if, but if,

If they're they're just a new, maybe they're not because if they're there's vehicle they're red-pute They must be created or you're not

to be itchewbaked In bureaucracies And how we can And how we can optimale can Gating on the But if you're in STEM Termasuk in Computer Science The people who are

Inoucuites who are There are, 50? Unfortunately, like, I'm not ever If we were to guess, not even than 50, yeah, not everettance just, yeah, namarer. Yeah, that's again, I said I said I said, even for allure bidang,

I think, I guess, not more than 50 to 100. Yeah, that's the day that I said, lullos PhD just, to move to PhD just as, from Ph. Also. Also, also. Yeah, also,

also, also, and it's also also also, yeah. And I know people from

other people, like, so, people, to be able to professor, they can, there's

many people, and there's information galer. Back, back, again, I said,

this is, there's there, there's been business, yeah, when we, we're,

we're, jarring. Jaring? Jarring? No, no, no, there, no,

bad any, no, there. Yeah, This is maybe, if we're going to talk about baghion column commenter, not beckhurtained if they're back then.

Oh, yeah, because I, I'm looking many people who can be able to be redayaken with you, for the importance of people, people, people, to be able to learn. Yeah, from with computer science, you know, is, whether it's your area of expertise, or, maybe, machine learning, or whatever,

but also, but stem, but stem, but stem, because I'm sure that's because I'm sure that correlations between the people who's already gawares at least with upy for making more than making up against in column our, that's in

it, it's big, than if there's not there. Yeah, they're relative aggal lost, and, yeah, right? This is there, you know, you're actually there's to come up to do you're going to doxing like this, but you're going to gulchir back.

Yeah. To get back. It's been abysa. It's been 20. 40,000, so, so much. Yeah. But if 20,000, so much. So, say.

Amen. There's a lot. Yeah, today, yeah, the time, people, like, Pat, we've got to, I think, discussion this is a tip of the iceberg,

yeah. Not gampang, as I've got as much, gratis, not gampang, I welcome, if you want to be there's a question, if I'm in time,

or if I'm in gig, alumni, that in America can help, we answer, we can't, maybe, maybe, can introduce

people, the name, Prodi, facultas, and if you want information more than you can't so, yeah, so much

from there's not, maybe, if there's been a hauson for information this, and if there's many people, again, can, diaspora, can be together with camp digboat, we can make,

maybe info session more, where, you know, back again, like, like, that's like, this is opportunity for what,

in, in-computter, who's willing to have time for work for work two years, make sure build skill skill as far as well as you have been a laptop, internet that professor,

not only in America, maybe I'm going to say in America, but there's many professors good in Europe, in Asia. That's what the remote research, open source, open data,

we have to take advantage that. that we don't need to have to in person, not need to do that so much more than it's up-upacquake opportunity for,

uh, kawan kawan in Indonesia and, and we're gonna make advantage. Thank you very much, Hary Adi. Thank you,

Fakita. You make many of us proud. Yeah? My pleasure. My pleasure. I'm-teman, that's Harri-Hughanui, Professor,

Chicago. Thank you. This is NG. I'm a good professor actually he was a minority yeah because of

that's a man who that's that much there's there's there and also

there's there's Yeah. Thank you.