Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Helman Sitohang: “Pendidikan Jauh Lebih Penting daripada Uang”

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

Baca buku saya, 'What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang di:https://sgpp.me/what-it-takes-ytatau di Periplus: https://sgpp.me/what-it-takes-periplus--------------Dua alumni Pangudi Luhur yang mendunia kembali duduk di bangku sekolah untuk berbicara tentang peran pendidikan dalam hidup mereka masing-masing, serta bagaimana Indonesia harus menata pendidikan ke depan.Selain itu, Helman dan Gita juga menyentuh isu regional, termasuk budaya etos kerja, argumentasi, hingga meritokrasi.---------------About the host: Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy; and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.

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so, so there's no question right, you know, like I said, having the parents opportunity also must be, you know, school's good, I read a lot that I know, I learn a lot, and I learn, what I

I like, I like, what, I like, that's important, that's, that's, and, that's back to that, if, without guru, guru, that, you know, up-as-D, in SMP, in SMA, in E.B, also, that's the the basic, not the way, you know, not be, you know, the people, and people,

also, there's, there's, there's, some of the end- so, for me, at least I, I always, I always, I feel grateful,

and I'm sure, give a casepott, don't be voy-o-foy-can, don't be-bong, the time. Hello, my, time, today, we're

coming, my, time, my, time, from, I'm-l-a-old, at Hajinawi, in SMPPL, in 70s. Helman Sitoa. Man, thank you very much.

Bezadir. So, same, my pleasure. You, this, merpacant, for many people, we're in Indonesia, not because what, but because

prestation you. And you, you, can be able to homegrown. Yeah, can? You're, you're likeer in Indonesia,

and you're, school at the local, then, T. Then, T. CITB. How did you can't do? What's it? Yeah. Thank you, Gitt.

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in Singapore, after that, when we're starting backarer. Uh, yeah, maybe, from the background,

um, I'm, I'm because I'm because of the because of the other I'm in the time of Sucarno Dull, before, got biaseasua and he really

really came from the family that didn't have some of the same so much, so it's being inspired for people, if you don't have got to have the money,

can be there there's not there that's the way that that's the time, that was when I was when I was when I was I remember he's

I'm out of the gantung-citra-mat that they're working. If the land-tied, it's a bit above-langet, the Bumi also also good, that's maybe, you know, that's,

from, actually, from Karno, this, and from the, from, and from, from, they, with, yeah, with the Kekat,

it, while even to have anything, can, Czechos, Czechos-Lewakia, in Cemanno, Bucarno,

many, is that's bit more than many that's quite, what I'm, um, really, like Rahadhi Ramlan, also when I'm from Ayahsai, in time, he was in there,

Parahdhi, but at Bermen, I guess I'm at my wife, where? Bokap, Larker, So,

so, he, he's, he was in Tapanuli, in, he's also, he's actually, he was in

school, S.D. But, the, So sorry, we can't just because we're the same the same, because of the other than you can't be able to school, that he's just,

so I don't know, but it's about 5, 8,000, it's up, between S.D. until S.M.P.S.M.A., he's not, he's not, he has to come out from from the cyclos that,

because he looked, Rekhankuil, he's back in the area in the landaugh, he's in there. He said, I have to be able to work from the lingub in the, uh, so he was going to Ryo,

that. So, so, he's working, Lentang, Lantung, and he has been tabungan and has a chance,

he's got to bea so, so, so, so, A, so, if, if, he's, he's caught, in three,

four, time, but, but with, he was said, when I'm gonna say, when she, he, Alasur, because because of theitkenkotan, because

because it's alas, but the catn't really, for, to, to be able to school. And it's very important that. And, maybe because he's about it, so, even though I don't think I'm

having, so, that's the condition to be school, but maybe that's also one of the motivation I, I, that's, I've got to be able to, this I can't can't bea canyak can't happen. I'm not even yet.

I'm even better better than he, while even I also, I also have been a tantangangans and then again. So, he's going to be in U.I, but same, because he not had been, so he was able to work,

dagang, when I was talking to me, I told me with me, and it's about me, and it's about baguangue, so long, long, I've got to come, and just work-reached,

But he said, wow, that's about the kind of, because he said, he's been a decat. I mean, I should be sarjana. I had to be a surjana first in the club of my life. When it was, this is in 50-an,

so, he's got a decad. Then, he got back information that, Jamban, B.C.E., after she was in U.I., angat, bagu, and afternia, he could get back, and, actually, he can get backusiness, and, he has to get paid theusetka,

Dagang, thinkerin'uang, that's about like that's about my story, you know, he's about, you know, in life, the education, more than important

than money, that's, right now, the, he, uh, you're, and it's,

that's much, because of the so, that's gonna, so, yeah, but he'll be, even,

even, even, if I was gonna, when I was gonna the, it's gonna, because, because,

because, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe, some of that I've got some of the background

maybe that's about background that's why I'mpunay inspiration because with the story that or with the experience I'm seeing as well as I'm looking how much it's just to beasaged to beaacusat so. So, he got Biasiswai, go to Praha

and Praha, in Czechoslovakia, that's probably not know, but Cegasloakia while the baguagian, even the area of Tiribe, but, so it's betrothia, But, from the economy, from the engineering, before the seconded world in Europe, it's the seconded country. Many of the United States, many years later,

I came to ITB, machines, mesin bubutna, also the merck schoda, so I'm still, so I'm still, and there's many of the spedda, Java, just that's getting it, yeah, so. So, so, yeah, so, yeah, So, while that's the time in the same, if you could be made in the country where, can you know, who's like to be,

because of the Czechos, the most of the people, they're, they're, they're, they're going to be able to. So, so,

they, school, embell, economy, and I'm, I'm, I'm, and, there,

there, there, because, the time, I'm, , , I'm, I'm, you, from the one of the other than in the Swahkiya,

can't go to Ukraine, like 100 kilometers from from the perbatasana that's now, that's the city, and, like, that, yeah, if I'm, the life's more much, because of, socialists,

but, but also, from the other, there's to school that, and, like, the S-1,

the education, I'maq. to make sure of Jazeera, and he's to Charles University, which is one of the university in Europe, like,

like, like, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort, the form of maybe about

14 to 16 to 16, 16, Charles University also, so, so, so they're

in Pras, yeah, then, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not,

this, same, six-an-an, So October, October, October, October 5. And you're up? Yonoka, bladjure what? Okay. Yop, but up, blacker, economy.

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five, yeah, we have in Praha, when I'm going to be in a lot of myaasai, I was a lot of people who are so much of the people who are in the same that, quite many people who are many who are in there, maybe, if Indonesia, like Gladyswandi and so again,

so, so, so, so, so, so, and the background is myripe, my, the, he's, to come, what I'm what I'm from, what I'm from the people from the people from the from the two people, that's, that's one, two, like, that,

but, but, back to the other, I guess, I think, if this, can't make in school, because, because of that,

when it's in the Kodotan, like, but, but, he's, if, if, if it's in there's just to come back in there's like to come back in person like between czechoslovakia and indonesia that's called in school school local and that's

and it's maybe also one that's one that's one that's because I'm going to be a loterick because I'm what I'm what I'm I'm like I'm like I'm like that's like last three when they're like after after after after after after after

we're like like yeah when we're still saying January yeah so much but turn to switch but but three years

that's actually for I'm just so too so we're just kind of how much how many how name

um um um waltak, the formathing in the way of the same in this, I'm going to make sure that

how they're making, there's, so, like, the, like, , the, learning,

that, it, was quite, class three, that's a , so, so, multiplication

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so, so it's quick to be it. But later, I was thinking about it, that, that, that's not pernought not even than that's a bit, because just to, penacanan to have the sad,

this, just who's very important, that. And, and, even repotly, because sometimes to make up to make uproar in the up to 7th, say, can't let's up,

and 8, yeah, it's take time, but to look at benigny, it takes 20, 30 years. With flashback forward to again to the time we're back to current, with all this stuff,

it's quick, get-tuck, and, who's, who, who, who, most, the, most,

usually, always, people, people, but, there are people, there are, there,

there, there, there, I'm not be able to be'arbon, and sometimes de-investation can't bea-40-year-old-law, that's, that's, that's, that I'm, I think,

I think, when I was thinking, I was thinking, because I'm going to be able to be it, and I'm going, yeah, just, I'm going to, so, but, I don't know whether he was, what, whether he was, what, or not sadar, but whatever it is, he's the conclusion that's

I feel like to be able to be many years later, that. The way that's the way of the disciplinean, that's bocap or the yokep? Bokap. Mokap. If you're the way. If you're the kentokap, the kentakateness is how about you?

If you're not a lot. If you're noticatting, it's true, So, It's weird, even from the Caucasian, right, yeah, the north, but,

put up puttick, but, but, but it's kind. But, but kind of. It's kind of, kind of balancing my dad's say,

because I'm, I'm going to, because it's really strong, and so much, to really, struggle, so,

so, so, what, what's, what's about, if we're if we're like, but, but that's at the other than, there's a person, a wife,

so that we can't, so that's, so that's, it's been topang by my my mother, but if you're from a degree of discipline, it's just,

and, and, many years later, when I, after I, yeah, when S&P, the,

said, if, if, Don't come home, kind of come home, kind of like, like, just like, just like, it's like, but, but, tegast, Numbang,

that's, that's, she's, there, that, that, so, yeah.

I, we, we, we, did, making, people, people,

people, people, people, people, the, name, the, it,

we're, it, that, it, we're, it, and, And I'm about how much,

like that's about being used to be able to do. But, you know, the end up your Bokapu, it's about it. But, yeah, it's assimilation, the culture that's, that's the people of Indonesia that schooled in there, and community local in there.

But what, that's very that's very much. Yeah. nuclear, you know, that's brilliant, and the penitigan in there, that's all right-biasa. I'm, I'm concerned,

the, you know, in school, like, how you, you, you've got, you've got to a family

that's great-bott- where school, to, you know, because I'm going to try, this, this, this, this,

in context, in Indonesia. Yeah. This, If you've got to the subang From Rovokka S-1 Waukawkawk

U. Kna Kyiakap S-1 Electorate that yoblos in the area Mapaa percent not have been Punei-N-a-one We've got

been a-hurtain for the percent to the same time as much as a and ascepart that that's what you can't Tumphka to

generation of the From the home, from the school, because maybe if you're the child you, not put you've got to be the first or two, the hopean you are in school, so that guru, you can't tuntick, ambitionation and imagination.

Yeah. Boccap. You know, you know, imaginations and ambition. Yeah, right? How about you? Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, it's a point that's very important and,

and, what, you know, I mean, it's from the way, because of the way that's important. But if I'm not too, and like I said it, from the way I feel like to be a lot, the people who are people

like, and Ibu. Who are, who, who, very, and, to be a dog, get, motivation.

But if, if, maybe, and not, and not, And that's also, people who's also, the person's, I've got,

I'm talking, that I'm, that I'm about, I'm going to, I'm, I'm, I'm, in Chicago. I think, what I'm and maybe, even, what, the way, what,

the, what, name, the, we're, we've got, we've got, about, about, so, I,

with, so, very, the last time in it's how much, how much more than the time, for the conditions of the current and the condition of the future that will be able to be able to be able to so much.

Maybe I think that's the, I always think, if I don't know the answer, or the answer, or the answer, or the jobbation, it's not to basic, that's, so we're going to basic, so. So, back to basics is, no matter what, And that's important. is the second is the second is the

second of the second- um... from the same thing, what's, to have been making, that's also, very, uh,

important, because, sometimes, kind of, okay, I'm, school, but just,

so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

so, and, that, has the little bit of the feeling we kind of we've got to have the feeling we've got to have the level this, I'm just a bit of putting up to have ketrampilance, to have school, to have what,

the workcha-an and so many, and so many, and so much, and so, but, I think, but I think, gunnacken-like, if I'm going to be like this, So, again, again, again, the technology, how many, what name is, we must, and,

and, I think, I'm based, between the education physical, so, but, but also, but, to,

um, may not, am I'm, like, because, because, because, Now, now that's online that's

that's been given, so that's again, because I'm not, I like, I like, this is not going to critic, but if you look, when you're like in-joling or what, that's, the people,

we're looking, we're not going to judging, but, but I mean, use this time to, to look, to look,

to look, course, class, nriap, Yeah, you know, at the time what I'm like, to look at Instagram, TikTok and sogain't yeah,

there's something that's up. But maybe from the way, yeah, balance that thing. But, but, you know, man. Anacanac we're

seeing half up until 10-jambi yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna batasin,

if it's, if it's, yeah. Because, because many content content that button-botton, yeah.

And not there. regulation, right now. Right. And if you're not too, not there's a problem that's just not too much me magery.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, jama we're small, that, that's not too protective to have

active to have activities offline. Yeah. You, me, when I was, when I was, there's been around,

there's api, there memo, there metromini, there what? Yeah. We've been to beaerbrious. We're not even people. But now,

we're more than activity offline. Yeah. To be there. Ah, D. Don't never be happy-at-a-at-a-tie. Yeah. But we're not too much.

On the way on the line. Beto, bet, bet. I'm not so. Yeah, mon-ma'a. If we're we look at Indonesia, this room-tangue, majority of not have been given

education A-1. Yeah, I want to try jump point of you on the education in school. Because scalability is more than because of the school. Because guru is there upon 20 to 200 murid. But if people are in front of 2% or 3

9. scalability more than being able to be partonjolpian in school. Now, yeah, in the batonsetkae just, I'd mindingan investasies to guru. If I've got to know, the other than you've got to be

the education has one. Now, this guruner, if I'm not good we, has very quality. Yeah, you're unung, L, T.B. Seng Gallant.

But but but but I'm sorry gurus is just in gage 2.6, 2.8 million which is 100s and 1st,000 1st,000 per-bun. Sedangka, in Singapore, 40 million.

And in Malaysia, 30-40-40-0. Tyeongk, 3.40 million. Korea-Slatan, Korea, 7,000 to 50-50-jut. Leight-littan, no, product in Singapore, in, in Tyeongk, Korea, South. This, if, in, I think, I'm going to see what I'm going to look at

the more clear. It's about the kids, children, children, and our children, our children, how do you know, on the guru? Oh, yeah, of the, until I haven't even spent, I've been sento, but in the world of the way, it's just a part of guru that's very, I'm. I mean, I'm saying, and since then, I'm I'm what I'm what I'm saying? I'm a lot of some of my, and I think I,

have a power of my that's about I, like, kind of, kind of, kind of, the kind of, the decat,

from, because, the part of it's, actually, not only just, but,

like, I'm like, I, I, I, I'm a for the guru, we're the other thanpe

we're in fact that in the way, and the way, and the way, and the way, kind of, kind, kind,

also, so, bro, I said, kind, quality of it, not only

because he hafal all, or it can just, just, but, the,

I'm going to when, I'm about, when I'm We have to be like to see I'm just about the case belly Yeah, which is how to

something triggers a war That but but But the way to turn around that's It's kind of right Right, right. That's what's important, right? So, for, what, kind of,

and that's why, if you were, if you were, because, make, have, he also, he has been presipkan, like,

guru, dosan, he can have had to but if, for the bas-as-as-as-as-as-as-a-capant, so that's the part of the time, because of that, because of the reason, because of the work that,

what I mean, uh, a work-and, this is a very, we're, we're always, we're doing, that's all we're doing,

that's just, maybe, maybe it's just a little kind of, because, because, cut-up with the online, online,

this, and I agree with that. I'm not, I'm not as a part of the pedigna, but as a product that's important in the and I'm all out for it, that's, I'm all out for it, and, I'm, like, I'm,

I'm, we're, we're, we're, there's, we're, we're, focus in the education, anacusia dine. One of the one of the one of the focus, because we're, like, like, as I said, that's about, that's about, that, that's about,

the heart of the heart that's like that's like that. So, that's like that, so that's like that, so we're at the time, we're coming to our school that we're in Javok Tengar,

so we're going to go over with with with with the guruny, we're going to, there's one that there's one that from that from about, how,

how, how, how, how, This is right. The way is there's up in the I'm afraid. I'm like, so much So, like, so

like, I'm, that's the job of course of course of course is that, and in the desa, and in the desa, Desa, Dessa, Jawa. ... and, to many of the... If you, if, if, if, if, if,

one, one, so, so, if, did, do it, maybe, in the country, or, or, or, if, maybe, maybe, so,

sometimes, the, Toa's not long too. I said, like we're both, we're unctongued with the same thing, but many of the, but because of the economy and some of many things, it's just one thing.

So, the most bit, in the context of the part of the guru, the part of the same thing. And that's the time, because we're... Then we're... Then we're still... We're still... ...theirom...

...their handphone of the other... ...theirang... ...because the person... ...as... ...as... to make, okay, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, you know, the, what, the, you know,

not the, you know, the, the, the guru's, the other than, so, whatever can be controlled, still, there, but there, but there's, content content, that's not to not for he, that, that, that's,

yeah, to, the number of, that I, I, I, I, I,

don't, I, But I'm going to callasato, with Pa Pariobo, Parsuidi, how they can't how they can't know how much

how they're going to know how much I'm in class 3 ASD in Buiu there's a guru who's a major who's making how he can

what yeah to say but mentalization imagination. And I'm always I'm going to

my people to the people to my people I'm not formulations. I'm not as much more than but I'm going to back to issue of compensation

I'm not sure. If I'm not sure if compensation guru is just $2.00 per boulan, yeah, talenta that's great, not backal to make, they're going to be a good. They're maybe more than to work on Amazon. What's what I'm going?

Yeah, I'm going to be Amazon, gajinesses can be 10-a-juta, a lot of the other than I'm going to beaumbang, see, in Eberbeske, in Sumanang, or in Lath or or in anywhereupon. But if the chastrable, he can

have been able to throw a man on the table for the angueta and I'm sure, many people who are people who are to beajure. But barrier-in- he may not be able to put on the table.

I'm just too. Yeah, and the time of our little, that's also, I also, I think, maybe, I'm not even, but the time of the economy, but maybe, depending on the sake of competition, opportunities, opportunity,

and other, between guru and proficient other, it's more to be more. With, now, it's more, there's more, the opportunity, even,

whether or the other one can get a chance that's a chance, that can, it's a better But but that's I'm stillsuedicant that's good

quality of guru compensation guru that's something that's something that's it's taken, it's really, really,

be really, and like just like in the countries and other countries other than I think I've got

data precisely but we we can't see how much This is to Tjok. He can't bea-4-5-juta product stem. It's a lot. So, it's not that you're going to bea-upac-a-chimp that's a lot.

He can't ship that's a chagogy at S-MSI. India, 2.2-5-juta. Stem, each time. Yeah, you've, done. Tad, I've got, I've got to be able to India, three years. I'm going to look at it, with Mattapal, So Indonesia can't borgant 250,000

product STEMs at all. Asia Tengara, $750,000. Now, I'm going to try to talk to narration or rhetoric that's we're hearing about bonus demographic.

Bonus demography, this can be kind of people who are who'suania 29 years to be above, like 29 years to be above, but I'm the most time this is 15 years to be above.

In Indonesia, there's 24% from from the population. 70% give and take. You, if you're going to conversion, every person from 70% it, because we're

more rank up in the Rantai Nile to be productive. We're more rank up in topan geopolitic, so it's more relevant. You need to almost 300 years, bro. Yeah.

If you just could produce 240,000 product stem. But in Asia Tengara, it's the Pentechattance 40% so 100

from campus the most of the most the most versa in Malaysia. They can't make conversion 40% so back

back again back 15 years 70% you take 10% you're 20% you're 28% you if you can't

if you canversy $250,000 you need 1010% 10% 10% now. Now this

if I'm if I'm denominator it has been inappen and carusance

and You, no, no, you know, you know, you know, one of the country, for the United States. If you can't conversion, one product stem, a year, yeah, succor, scur, in 28 years, which is 40% of 70 million, you can't do, everyone, people like you.

Yeah, right? If you're not, I got gritty. Because India, Tyeongkok. now, yeah, yeah, the, yeah, yeah, the number of the-syswiswiswiswis-wis-wis-wis-wis-wis-wis-wit-gut. Asia-Tengara, campus-a-tiswiswis-wis-wit-old,

but product intellectuanguania, and we're not at Tionkok, and we're consuming, every day, what you're in saku-kit-a-dop-it-a-d-d-lap-a-old. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's notat, and this, and this isatikosystemic,

that's the only can't beaughan, beyond the producer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, if we're bullet, to investas in quality guru that's great and reconversy as much can,

maybe, to produce stem. Blum like, at level of vocation, yeah. Yeah. than 1st-year 15-year, score-pisa. Indonesia's number 69

from 81st in Asia-Tengarra, only two countries that in the Rata Rata-Rata-Dunia, Singapore and Vietnam. Why not? SELURUN, 10-A-A-Rat-Rat-U-U-U-U-PATsup-Rat-U-PATU. Because, because, you're mub-bun-Pabank, if you're not-per-en,

you, you can't be able to narrow scrub with what, what, what, that's done by Singapore or Vietnam or whatever. How much? I'm good, too, because of the same, that's the same time the same, maybe, from the proportion of the people,

simply, can't talk about five times, but the ratio stemmed it was just going to be able to 150,000, one, four jute, so it's about 11, can, yeah, that's more than, yeah, that's more than what, or, or, I mean, or, I mean, or, I mean, it's the other than, And I feel like that'sa

I'm here's the same again. Cigua and Malaysia have been a good and the lebeian and one is the other other again is quality, that's also important so this is the barometer

and quality this, two two must be done so on. So, yeah, to the upon, what do you know, what I mean, the, and, um, STEM.

And also one of the same that's one that's if you're 10, 15 years if you're going, especially, if you're in particular, in America, in particular, in America, there are liberal arts, I'm, I'm not really,

I'm sure that the subject that become judge, this, because it's too long, and it takes too long, that's been talking about, with one of the one of the fund manager, the, he's one of the fund's, he's, soxed in Singapore, so we're going to go, go, go, greg, because he also

want me to ask me to discuss how how to, uh, to, we can make, um, the, uh, anac-lusan, because, can, many, yeah, now, so, tamas, school, four-tawn, or the two, cape, biayy-in, but when I was to try to work,

Not much opportunity, because, because it's not the same thing, the schoolhally, that's the questioner, is it? Apocas, or whether, like now, with the adage, and sogain that, how to the front structure

whether or not, whether or not, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, the answer. But intuitively, it's, there's some changes, that, right? So that's back to the

if you're good, because of the quality of guru, this is also important, and training, and everything. So, from from the data, S&P, SMA, that's all, what, I'm... I think, I'm... I think, I'm going to beaughal can, like, we've got to beacan

hafala, there's subject hafalan, subject, what, name, the, um, the, um, al-a, math, but subject hafalan, but subject hafalan, the hafalon

because, if we want to try data that's like that, perpustakaan or try book, so there's certain that we're

having to have to be CGPD or data that's out of, not the data, but it's not they're not

to be able to havealan or hafalan or hafalan like what what you're to the right,

but it's back to today again, but back to the context, whether it's in the form stamp

or There's also, there's other, like, like Indonesia, can't have been like with allam, such as a lot of the many ways of many ways, many of the potentsy, potency, that's not even as well as school that menacken can it, but how many

the education that's the subject that, this is, maybe, that's the future, can be, be coming and very evolving, yeah, moving,

especially, more, what we're putate with evolution, that's right? That's full-agrhing. I'm going to be hypotesa that's aseapate whatever, as far as far as innovation technology,

the young, you still have to beguessing because to make-awal innovation technology, you need, you know, of the technology and I'm notherstays

about the people that's able to do you have to be inunding they have to investigate ulang what is the what is the action

presumption presumption that has been to ask in investigation and that if that's what I think

what I'm Whatapot, is they can't make uphaping the power of diversation. And this structural memerlucked can't not at level of people,

not at level guru, not at level Ustatt, not at level pendetta, not at level bicksu, not at level post in the can't level, not at level the level of school,

not at level whatever, institution social, the people have to have to make uphoutauntis to make a good quality of preservation than that.

Mediocrity is at risk. And that I'm looking at how much Pyongok Semenjavejave, Deng Shoping, 78, until now,

it's notherbuckin that's great bianu in Singapore mennukin'u in New in Singapore, from from years. Consistent. How did Likwaniu

was mannambing can only three attributes competencies, integrity and accuntability you know wrong you have to beacun you have to be able to you also

you can't you can't meritocracy right but too yeah yeah how much we're not

we're not normative just for for for banks like Indonesia or paradovan manapun-a to be what

what is you have you have what you have investasikin can't they're at the open-a-a-hurtig, maybe maybe like, like, like, like, like, like, in the month of November, I went to go to a conference,

where, many of the things in the entrepreneur, what, what, that's up, perhaps, there's in the area here. Then, there's one where, what,

leisure time, that, There's trivia, trivia, question. So, the question is the barque, this is voting, so. So, so, so... So, there's three companies, NVIDIA, Microsoft, I'll lupa, one,

but, but, all the technology, that, that... When that, market, like, past, like, uh, is, uh, so, uh, good. Then, then, then, it's, from this,

money that's the most overvalued, that, arty-uh, that, the, the, the, because, since there's still hype about Nvidia that's almost everyone's that they're

invalya that's quite the same Nvidia market cap still 2.5, 2.8 trillion Now that's right forward, right, but it's it, but it's the artiness people who are entrepreneurs and are

successful and to have beenalamic and from many from many from from there, almost there's, almost there's, almost, there's, I'm he's like that means that's how much more than that's just to show that's to your point that's that's what's what's the time what's see, what's the bethap.

I'm saying I just, I know, because that I also, I think, this is a chip, I would like Intel or what, like, Intel or what, because Intel can't, kind of a.m.D. That's one chip one, but what's, but what's, it's one other, but what's that's that's about the NVIDIA, but it's the fact that that's about strategy, I can't get back, I can't talk about

about strategy, but from strategy that's this, and she Jansen this, can, the NVIDIA, it's long as well, but he, but, he, too, VIEG, VEG, 20,000, and he, too, uh,

partahang, if we're, if we're, if we're, it's the time, the time, Microsoft, Na, what, the way of the appell, not to make,

not to make sure, I'm going to be around, but it's about about about 10 years. But, but he's Jensen, this, from the first already, it's beenckonk,

because it's more focused to gaming, graphics, and from, from, this, slowly, and but he's pinter to look, not only hardware,

but software, but software, we just educate to manusia, this, this, the, and,

the, why he has made uproletalization $4 trillion dollars. which is crazy number, so back to the point that is that, that's, what, unpredictability and uncertainty

in the future, it will be very big to basic study. I was, sorry, I'll keep on repeating myself, but back to basics today is very important. So sometimes when you're lost, because we're too far too far too too long, it's not, not really, not really, but we're not really, but we can't be able

that people, that people can't be able to, stay the course, to see, that he believes, he's he percaya, that this is right, right? So, so, that's the way, we're not. We have to be it. We're going to be able to be a burrugan, but we're going to see that,

but we're going to see that this, It's the right to the back to the same. Asa, but asal, the last summer, it's the right? Yeah, right? Tadda, bro, can, be able to, that there's fake news, there news, how many. This, this, can, this is

how much more than shortyed data, we know, we can't, because we can't know, but I'm not that, yeah, can't, this is sogampang it to be looking to get in, yeah, so how, to make sure how,

how manyorting, how much, because AI, I can create something something like real, but it's not, whether it's not, like, whether it's not, you know, or not, whether that's a lot of peristue, gambung, gawgit, so those are, I think,

the part of the components that's in the point, maybe, from the part of the, you know, very important to be, um, to, um, to, in, the, I mean, to, set, In the process of the This is what? The government, swastah, individual,

organization, certain, that's all I think I. I have a. I've got to be able to get point in the in the last of the lawgare, yeah. The most structural, the rest of the country in the,

engulfed global south, yeah. The country is notar the country and iskid. That's about 84% of planet. Yeah. In the above $2,000, $2.50 per capita per year. They're that, the,

the energy that's not and that's not know that if you're using GAPT, like DIPC, GROC, or Gemini, the endanguant energy is 10-50 times in, if you're using if you're using if you're using Google to search. And I'm, too, in the world of fulfillment,

where we're, to, to the SORA, that's the energy for the energy that's the same-being with AI that's 10,000 to be 50,000.

Yeah, that's more clear. So, it's from that we're going to be able to knock to thembok. Because data in Indonesia,

it's electrification only 1,300 kilowatt. Singapore, Brune, America, T, Cong, is 10,000.

I always think, The government is in the electrification per capita from $1,300,000 to $6,000. To make in so you have to build 400,000 megawatt, bro. We can't even $3,000 to 1,000

that's just $120,000, 130,000. But then, you're not, the money, full-us, you that you need to, you need to $1,000, and how we're just to be able to come up to work. Yeah, this is

under the narrative. If we're going to to changihicked by you, you'll be able nabraks, you're not because you're dairies and there. And, and America,

that's got gila gila. Yeah, I've got a time the last time there, in there. In America, the grid that's, that's 3,000-3-gigua. 300 giga.

Waiting list that's going to move to get rid of grid 6,600. Artiness they've thought they've made up electrification per person from 10,000 to 20 to 30,000.

We're going to make matty-matian, to make it from this one and will be a lot and back and it's so it's chay can make elitization

I'maithesati I'maugh, yeah, can, a certain to make that's that's different, the country that's not going to be being, because it's a biterbatasan

day, not a cuterbatasan cognition, but what's your think? Yeah, I think that's another complicated subject, yeah, from the name, it's, well, that there's two, three point, that one, the gap between

of the other people that that's more, more than more than the other than because they have to be able to with the area or area that maybe not have to. So, that is one of one one reality that

for, what, how do you, how to challenge it? I think, I'm going to have to, because, Sometimes, if we can't if we can't compete with a person, or with a competition,

or whatever, and competition any other than companies in any, we have to be a good, they also have a clebehan. So, the other than, the other than me, infrastructure, and to be there, far more than the other than, like, like,

America and the country, in Europe. But we also want to have a something like that. Yeah, that is, maybe the back again. So, so, so, sometimes, we don't need to head-on,

fight with them, So we can't try So it's just like, And if we're just like, we have to be able to It's very I'm going to be able to what, what name

can, So, it's, it's, it much in the output, so that. So, so, for you can, say, for you're going to be, to get to come back to the crop, so maybe one of the other things. So, so, I fully agree.

and back to basic study again, like, like, like IASI, like if I'm saying, if I'm looking, wow, I'm from this, but if I, I'm, I'm,

so, I'm just saying, we've said, we have to have, to have, to have, to have, I always say, I've said,

I've said, I've said, I'm, but, but, but, with realistic, the strategy, that,

okay, I can't try, fight on with their, the AI-in-ya-in-a-in-ya- But I can find out on the place or I can be able to sign them in the bag of the bag ofian in this that for them too difficult to be able to say

whatever. And we're kind of, everyone, some of the country, some of the area, has a lot of the way. We've got to. So, we're taking the way of it. So, maybe from the strategic. But back to your point, that is that, that's, that's, that's, what I mean from the energy, from the

development in it, and we're everyone's always saying, what's like, plumbly, we're going to get in what, this is, but it's right. This is, I'm not really stage, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, but... We can see all the signs, this, tanda, this, it's, that's going to be where,

this, right? Right, that's the... is about how much using this even when I'm going to because of BATMENTON too POTOMPEBSI

so that's back again and stay in the game I think that's the that's the that's the part of the um what I'm

so it's so it's in the same in the art of in the structure Indonesia, ASEAN, this is I know

Brow also I've already released book about ASEAN, so I'm from the way, back to the competency that, that's, because of the example of simple just, I think that's, because because I'm, because I'm more focused on asian just, because of, I'm having,

that's a peasant too much, too, too, that's that's a Kampong Alamann. Yeah, like, but it's true to know, not? So, from the country, if we're, like, In the same time I'ma, I'm going to traveling to Indonesia just, that flight is very difficult. It's been like that. Same, same, same.

Yeah, that's just two airmen. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's it's all, that. So, this is just, like, this, this is traveling from Puket to Bali or Pucat to this, so on this, and this, this is on the same. This is the example of today, can. We have a lot of $700,000.

has a good people have a lot more than Thailand like that we've got to be able to be together, we're together, we're going to be together, so that's, maybe in context asians, same, same, so that we're somehow quite, that's kind of, that we can't get in, if we're going to travel, to look, look in the sun, want to dook in the

panthe, yeah, we're coming to, and udara generally, too, yeah. So I think there is a lot of things that we're in the context in the context AI, inarty, in the way we're using how we're going to, and,

back to today, sometimes I'll see, people can, because, when I'm, like, now, 10-jamp on the phone,

and so, and so, so, if they're, they're going to the time, but, not to,

say, but, to, maybe, more, more than, so, so,

so, so, so, But it has to have to supervise. Exactly. And this is, and it's been true. It's been correlation with depression,

anxiety, suicide. I'm going to jump out of the point, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, this I'm in book, I'm advocating, to be pertimanked revisions

to beavisive and substance that in chartering Asian as a meree asian as organization. Because in the

the same thing different in the vergency pedigism in Laos, Cambodia, Cambodia, Myanmar, Indonesia, is different,

and very bad with what in Singapore. Singapore, if I'm in God, is that, outbiasa,

the is the number one in the world, two, campus in Singapore, is the top 20

Dunya. Now, divergency So the this is very different the different the big-six-town to progress in Singapore

from nothing to $91,000 per person per person Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Malaysia, 12,000,

Philippina, 3,000. This is hypotasca-can that be correlates with divergency economy. Now, what I've

advocacican is, why not we revisi just smangat and substance that in the charter asin. You, you do jip-plagued,

indiguan, to the other, because if you with the people in the people maybe there's a lot of them progress yeah if there's unsure

that's a bit supranationalist in organization asian that's man who's man in Laos tolong time in Myanmar Cambodia Indonesia and line line Jiplak

system of the Singapore Ample it's good that's the leagg that you're just like jolk yeah now you I'll give 6 years you I'll give 6 years you've got to 10 years.

so far as I think of myroth because of the right now. Yeah, right? And this, if I'm in front of go, it's going to to be in the rentai nilay. To be in the top of the global. I agree. I mean, and maybe I've got to know,

when I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to be able to be a company, in the the person that's one of the first of the first of why I'maacus in Singapore, while I'm going to put upion in Hong Kong, because I'm what the name you? The president of the state of Asia, but I'm going to be able to as well stay in Singapore, because I, I think, I'm going to stay in Singapore, because I also think that Asia-Tengara has something that unique,

and it's actually, what, maybe, also, who's not, you know, We're not even for the world of the world's jrata, we're going to get to be, GDP, this is the same of the people, that this can, maybe, one of the area the most of the same

of the common, such, especially, the three, four years, the war in the last the war in the years in the 80, if it's about, so it's almost 50 years ago.

So it's almost 50 years ago. So, what name is, what I'm since that's the area growing, and the pletumbuance is good, it's not crazy like China that's to launch up to 12%, or even India that's, over the last year

this is up to 78% but stable, yeah, right? So, yeah, back to today, there's been, actually, because of the product, what name is that's good, Singapore, with the other than people,

with people, we can't be able to be able to be in the other. We can't even if we can't. Or we can't use the same thing, yeah. And this, you know, you know, you know, you know, population ASEAN. 700,000, or more than 7,000-per-than-you-tough, you know, a number of booku which is about Asia-Tengarra. It's just 375,000.

So, total the total the book that's over 140 million, so that's about 375,000,

it's only 0.26% from the total book. Sedgant, population our population from there.

From there also I can't see that people can't be able be able to get back, cannot be

not used. And, majority of 375,000, it's by the non-Asia-Tonger. Now, no, so that's not want to make,

he has not only merengue, but he's not even merengue, literacy, but he's right. You have to be able to beca, but you also also can't use. And, succor, you must be able to be able to becerita. And the story of you are kind of kind of with numeracy and literacy.

And this I want to try tovang-in, in the profession you long as long as long modality from a to titic A to the way many of the people are never not so much

they're not can't translate from the not certainty and certainty and be money. Model is

the risko but model not suck notpastien and if uncertainty is unknown unknown

if risk is known unknown So, to just as far as far asan if you know, you, you, you, or the time you about you, down to one of the

titic, in Papua, then, and then, people in Morocco, said, Mr. This, this is, there's, 98% probability that, while the electric will die from 2.5th to 3 You know what you

If you're upbuck uproletes If you're not to 3% Omset you, Kmuginian turn 12% Bottom line you can't turn 18% Mr. This is

Gittung, right I'm atroa levered Or unlevered How? Nassi Chuanek Lempartu Moldau Bambonla fabric That's risk

Because you can you can't be quantification, Biccuit, Bicic, and you can't pay, but but there's the

but there's the people the people that's about people who's going to make upbuck upbuck in the same people just the same just say yeah inshallah

muddunned not matty that's that's that's not up not turn now

this if I'm think I'm think I'm should be dididig to bea seagued to be able to translate from uncertainty

to be People's the people are the same thing to make up to Asiaglia that's thea Tanya to get to Hacier from there's Singapore end up to 140 million years

in Indonesia just 30-1 Malaysia Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines 10 to 20-2nd How about? You're gonna be able to see this? Yeah, relish and optimist

both yeah I'm not optimist Because that's opportunity too, right? So, so that's not for us. And, I think, I think, there's a little bit with cultural, yeah. Because we can't,

we can't use can't but, but it's better more, if there's a point if, if there's meeting, I'm saying, that's always, that's the country that's like,

sorry to say, yeah, like India, They're culturally, if they're in Asia, like that's in, but we're in Asia, dengare, maybe there's unksur, what, in Indonesia, kind of, there's pepata,

that, that's, that's, paddy that, me, and it's, and it, it's,

it's, so, so, kind of, this is, back to a little education, too, can, whether,

whether, there's, modifications, , that's got in the still diam, but not in arti just as well, keep, still active,

tetal can't allow in idea, down book and so again. So, I think cultural, it, there's a good to point that day.

But I also also, I just agree, that's not about the not- unknown factor that in Asia-Tengar that is,

more than other than some other than they more than they're more than, they're more more than, the way to

if you, look, actually, that's why I'm optimist, because the substance is. Barangha, bag. Barangy, bag. The barang is good. People are, actually, not sening. There are, there are certain, such a cultural, more violent, more, more.

Okay, we'll set up. We're sure with chawarhamufat. Which is a very good point, so. So, how much, make, but, but how much more positive, you know, you know, positive positive. But, but not passive, yeah, how we're trying, okay, come like, here.

This is really good opportunity. And, maybe back to this also, I can, I see, in Asia Tengar, sometimes, is the structure, yeah, in the world, yeah.

So, so structure that's also important, because people must be know, perjinnan, permodalan, what, this, what, this,

so, I guess, usa, I'm, really, so, but, but, but, but, but,

I'm not even if there's the opportunity to be able to be able to be in it. So I think that's the part that's the part that maybe must be in the, but going back to Asian, I think it's a fantastic region. That's why.

I'm optimistic. I remember, when we're in fact, we're going to be in Indonesia, I, Boss of my boss, that was in the most of the world in the world.

In fact, uh, yeah, man, you can't be able to besaqo, he's gonna beaugh, this is European, like, this is called.

Ceyco, Colombia, all the, and I almost took the offer, that, yeah, tempting, yeah, can,

yeah, can, but, but I'm thinking, but I'm thinking, actually, you know, this is a very interesting region,

no matter what, I'm like this. I'maute if I'm going to go out there's a lot of thought that's a lot of people. I'm going to get chute, I'll say, but it's a great opportunity. You never know what's the answer but but there. But there's a lot. I respect a lot. He comes to me and said, hey, Helmand, because I was asking him, what do you think? He came to me two Chinese characters. You know, I don't speak my name. So what is this? He said, he's not,

Tenant, this is that's the last. The last thing is a crisis. Yeah. So, yeah. So, we're like to crisis, but this is also opportunity. For you to learn, like, how you're going to be able to. If you're going to be able to, but you're,

it's the point I think, that's the point I think, that we may have a lot of things, or the, of the kind of, but I think it's opportunity. And, you know, many, and it's, for the generation of mud, can. They're going to use this. We're not going to do.

in the way, to beaute. Well, we're not Usur, but unfortunately. This is, people who are in denial. Yeah.

But you're going to be about peace and stability, amman, this is impiris. If I've got, for 2,000 in Asia Tengar, onka of the

unka-comatian based on opinion of opinion that, kind of, kind of, kind of,

That's not more than 9 jute. If I'm going to be able to beaubah, in the 2,000 million, yeah, the war in the first and the 2nd, the 2nd,000 more than 1,000 more. Blum again, Japan medieval, jamae, jamaean, jamaeus, yeah, you're tumbled to be 1090,

from there you've been able to look at that Asia-Tengara is very becky and becali with peace and stability. But, what, you're not, is cognizy. Justing just just tountik

if you know if you're inaikin IQing from 78.49. Sucur, sure, same with Ashkenazizu 115,

rata, and it's also, and it can be abate, can be obadi, can becky. Yeah, so long,

you, until you, upur, nine years, Pemuntookan pot, pastin, the,

the, the gulans, gulmong, gulmong, is the right, the time about the same about the same time

the same time the same thing social and then from the number 19 Peningotan A.Q. Ecosystems and

beener. IQ you not be coming again since 16 but from from 16 to pasty-and ecosystems

to makebucking to make- abuhaka to beaqqqqqa so that you can't combinations

the quater innovation and the quater of the power of the Soblet, right? Yeah.

This, you hit it on the nail. Mastardness, this is we're putturb. Yeah. Perfectionism. You know, I'm going to ask you, I'm going to ask you,

that I'm going to be able to be able to bea-old. But, although if I'm jagerin the people, Singapore, Singapore, Hong Kong, Tyeongk, Japan, Korea, and India,

that cogniziness the same. But the most jaguarial echapsi India one. Yeah, right? And, and I'm not even though, bro, bro. Yeah.

Yeah. And, and I'm not termed as but I'm, it's the cognizant, but I'm know how the

one. And this is about, yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm, yeah,

I'm, three years, if, VJ, uh, came, he, lapor to

his mother, yeah, I'mamah, I'm gonna be the, um, nine, nine-a-

-a-l-a- , Kumar, 9. Yeah, right? The other than the, so it's just, the daya or, what, yeah,

the, the, there's always be suntick. Yeah. In-rum-lack, not if he's school at I-I-I-I-T,

who's-Machry-an, that's-tri-an, and then-tri-tri-an, And then. Gantor in Tata, gansor to what, buset, be jagerin, too, with people who cognizant

people who are not, in Asia, Tengarra? Yeah, I'm back to, that day, that's, or the,

the, the, kind of, takes a process, that, and, and, and,

if, culturally, uh, that's, what, name, that's, it's naturally,

much more, this, I think back to that's that's actually, we're not to eveningalcan even something unique from our, from the artiness. But if,

if unique, I don't think that's this, so, so there's something that's beenaughan, or maybe, and back to, maybe, school too, yeah, I think in school

we, I don't know precisely what, but what's kind of, but, not only Indonesia, how much, how much, is how much, is active, you know, can, uh,

anac of the hands, do encourage, or whether or did encourage, because if it, the, the, uh, the, uh, the,

uh, depop, from the, uh, the, when I was, uh, graduate,

mulac, mulled, muller, get, he, he's, and proactive, and,

out, you know, because, not because, um, because, I'm more than I'm more than I'm I'm saying, I'm saying,

and they also can't make sure in and they also can't make sure sometimes this, I actually, I actually, I'm actually, I'm almost eight years in board in Zurich, I'm I'm also one of the most less talkative, that's, right? Untongingingia, the person who's not many of them

more, more, more, more, more, more more, and other, that, but, but, And it's not even though, what's not even though, that's not. But at the same time, if it's not, back to strategy, but, but it's not. But it's also, but it's also, but it's also a lot. So I wait for the right, I'm going to the right moment, deep, very structure, right? Right.

Right. So, sometimes when you're three years in Stanford, you have the same thing. There's just going to look at what you say, and then like that sometimes, but if you're more, if there's a problem that there's a problem that

or there's a problem that's urgent, there's just going to be okay, like, to nuk the hand so that's like this talking to the right moment, then say it deep,

say it very precise, with a good solution, and with good intention, I always believe human beings, you can touch that soft part of human. And I think that's the power of the Southeast Asia, touching human hearts with ending. Comearan, when I said I said in the,

we're at firstmen of school, we're in the 40, in Solo, there's one, there's one of Australia. And he's just being in Australia. And he's always used in, because it's got retired,

he's included, so, he's got to build up, and, to be able to school. And, to bet, but he's like to school to Cambodia then he's so grateful. I'm so grateful

I'm so grateful I'm very much thank you know I'm the big deal I'm the one I'm the one I'm sorry I said well you know no please tell me

I said I've got to many I'm going to work I'm going to school in the place in the place that's the country that's about I'm

being the other than it's about this is here there's sincere I said I'm I'mok it's the mucat the more than the murathe's more than the bad, he's been positive. You should use this, and that actually stuck in my head, because I just want to focus this in Indonesia, so cannot compare it, but he's

you should use it, because I feel if I have to donate, right, he's both are good, both the two-duees-pocketed factor, but if there's always some differentiative factor, he's one of the other, in Indonesia, we have culture, but that's the other than we can't get to unfore can't, or not can't look at, how do they know?

And he's not, he's not, and now, and now, they're going to back, they're going to come to and come again, but that's one of positive

we're in this and this is blending to, you know, with the other opportunities is that's a weakness. you can change it and become a strength, like, like, like I'm being a weakness, I'm not super talkative,

but I'm, but I, you know, you know, so, yeah, so I can't yeah, I'm not going to injure in people to jaguarine

but you have you have to time, yeah, exactly. So, so when you're, back to your point, which is, this, how much, how much better than how much more than

directly. But if you're not gawmonged, someone not can't make too upri-bawes that did. How did you bring up. How much? How much? But don't know, mas, but still, but in context that's right. I'm going to, first time to Stanford, September 2002.

that's what's that's about Stanford one of the same I'm going to bea meja I'm doing with president and what's the last year

he can't and deluha in 2020 yeah if I'm if I'm if I'm

think I'm because it's because you have got you have got you have got SAT that you can't

be able I'm aptitude. That's skill that you can't acousisi. You know, you're going to have in practice exam. One day, eight-jam just. Lama three months, it's right. Yeah, right? And, yeah, al-hmulilah,

time last, 20, that's it it, that year, this, hampir 20, that's been, but if I'm going to It's not as a population

or representation of Indonesia in school like Stanford that's just 401. India, ribouan. 1,000 more. Tiansk, 1,000 more. Yeah, in America, in all the campus,

there are 350,000, if not alone, the Indian 50,000 people mainland. Indonesia is just 8,500. In English, just 4,000, people?

Tijuana. Cuma. Cuma. Cuma. Cuma, bro. What's the most, Malaysia? 23,000, from Indonesia. I'm not the director of the

American, but in the school, the, perinket school, the, there's still be putanguble-javent. Selamas'a school in Asia, Tengarra, except in Singapore, yeah,

still in the lower, the level or percentile-ter-trapas, you have to see school that's the best for generation-pen-nors. Now, this, I'm going to tarry to as-usul-bok-up-lo-law-law.

that's what's success, that's in order to be it's about ambitia, imagination, and to beauntunctunate. Yeah, right? Yeah. You want so ambitious, you want so imaginative, but if you're not hockey,

you not back to, you'd bea-sysu, you know, yeah, right? You're also, you've been ambitious, and imaginative,

if not-hoky, you're not going to be in the organization, can, this, this is doable, right, can, to stintic, with scale.

I'm looking at, why not we got we gaji this, so, Gouru, 40, a month. And,

and, I've been going to on the forum certain to which, that if we Gaj,

Gouru, 40, juts, a month, 100,000, like, that brilliant, who can be

be you know-imaginacy, and can't beck it's just 4 trillion a month 100,000 kallenged $40,000.

Yeah, if you can't be partangue about it can be corralation with peninkat the kettasan in

clurhahan in the good and curahs the curaheat distribution public goods in

the clurahed you can't you can't expands that sample size from 100,000 200, 500,

Guru, 500, there are 3,000 in here. But, without penitapen like that it's a bit for us for we can

make class. Yeah, can? And, on the end of $700 trillion. Yeah, you, if you're if $4 trillion a

for 100,000 money, $48 trillion, a year, you can afford it. Yeah. One other. One of the group who's not the GENDRB,

but justru PAN-RB, the MENTRIANN-R-B. And that's they're recruit, the criteria that's been puttuked by them. And then, when they recruit in the, the, area. Yeah, right?

I'm optimistic, that if there are things, or lacka, like, yeah, yeah, I'm saying,

the shikap, yeah, so, Soh. Right, right, right? Now, this is due gawonged, di-budayaken, at least,

at a level-upon, a place-ibadha, institution social, or you're like to dogem, like, you're like, yeah, can,

go-lien just, yeah, maybe, not in six-bulan, but in six-torn, but in six-town, or what? We're-in-tom-tom-trait-a-old, we're product

from people right now. Yeah, right? I'm not lupak-in about guru. Yeah, can? But it made-saintook

career I and shuck-s-sukur-l-law too, that's-luck-l-l-l-lah. How, how, imagination,

ambisy, and good-untunctuant. Yeah, I mentioned it at the beginning I think I also feel, so from the so much the there's no question right, you know, like I said, what I mean, I think the parents

opportunity also, you know, school's, you know, school's, you know, school's, like, and, like, I'm actually product local, like, local, that, so I'm going to, from from from from Czechos to see, can Rakan Itas, SMP, that we're having Lestrum to 60,

So, right now, after that I'm at the three years, then, then, then, then, just to get to I'm local, and after that, after that, abyss to, actually didn't have any other formal education. So there's no education for, education formal, I read a lot that I know, that I know, I, I, I, I, I,

I, I, I, I, what, I, what, I, I, what, I, I, I, what, I, that's just that's that, that's important, that, and, back to the, If you know, if not the guru, you know, you know, apak, in, in, in, in E.T.B. too, that's, not in the, you know, not in the plencompass from the people's

and also, and, from the people, also, there's been a positive, too, that's all, to end, so, for me, at least I have, I always, I always, I always, I'm grateful, I'm sure, to give a casepaten, So that's one of the important

did not even if we've got to get a can't, you know, don't do you want to buy a that's what you're going to. That's what's important to the guru, yeah. I think it's all, it's a complex,

because it's a complex, because, back to the three-juta, or if it was 100,000 that in, this, is, but maybe just starts with something from just because we've got to try just because

we know what they're trying to be able to be it's, about. Apoccapt all over, or even 30, 70% that's the thing that's that's always. And sometimes, if it's, if, if, if something that's

something that's always we're always, I'm overwhelmed, right. So that we, like I mentioned, the foundation that we, the foundation that we support, small, small one, 40 school, but, you know, starts something. Yeah. So, yeah.

So, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, you know, you, let's do you know, part, pout, pout, that, how? No, actually, I learned this from the other organization that I'm going to be ayesan eight, six, care.

Actually, the, you know, my. Actually, actually, actually, actually, actually, actually, is the same. I'm what, what name is, the people who's up, and used to be called, and it's been able to be able to, so, right, so. So, I'm,

and, help from the way, other than, but, the idea of the idea of the time, it was,

from, from, schoolh, yeah, from room to, because, because, if,

if, it's a, some, the organization, global, and I, and I, I'm,

chairman for Asia-Tengar- and, and they, And they always to say that if we're want tootty, especially in the desa, we're not sure that in the desa, participation from the desa is

very big, so don't just it's like, because, because, so, so, the, so, the, so, the, so, the, point, which is actually, quite similar, actually, right, the guru's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, curriculum, we're not, we're not, we know, but we're, but we're able to, if you want to look for the wrong, if you look at some of these, because Pout, it, in Indonesia,

didn't dissentoo by budget the government. So, I can't, so, you can't, if you can't, yeah, he's not have been, the other than, renovations,

it's really, really full renovation. This, it's, the top of, if you want to wesse, or to the toilet, and a little,

you, like, to put up, put up, Pesan. So, you can't imagine. If you're young, when they're in general,

you know, not want to ask sanitation, how do you? So, if we're getting, got to be done, there's a toilet and then,

that's, that point that's, that's, that's, we're upgrade, because it's more,

because, if it's, because, if it's, it's, it's, I'm not, this,

so, that I'm, the, I, 10, sorry, 50, 10, 50,000, this time this is, we're doing this,

and I'm going to be a lot of the years, so, and I'm going to bring to Indonesia about 8-torn-lough, so they're not in India, they're in Africa, I've said, Indonesia also, I'll invite you to the event,

I think it's very interesting, and they're focused, to make book, but, what, um, what, what, um, to book library for the pedalaman, but but it's the English, but in Indonesia, the basis of Bangladesh, you're in Bangladesh,

so it's not, and gambar, the picture, which is, the other people, the people, yeah, not,

making, Snow White, or that, Pinocchio, but character, character local, that, who,

what, like, naik, yeah, or, like, to padi, or,

to the, So yeah, that's what, Okay, bro. Yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be able to take it. Yeah, right? How you can't?

It's more stimulating for people. You know, you know, you have, you must, you have, you have to be cuneh by the amount of come to five-a-one. Not, it's,

and that, and that, and that, and that, I think, in the info that's the most the low-endousand that and that's the most essential in the same.

Yeah. So, no, I'm going to I digress. This is a little hanging fruit for the people in Asia Tengarra. Mangrove. Oh, yeah. Yeah, can.

You can active in, what, see, philanthropy, I'm going to be I'mgruff, because this is quake wind. Mangrove, too, one hectare, can sequestration 1 kiloton, carbon. In Indonesia, it's,

it's, 2.8 jute. Yeah. Hector. Katanya, say, 22% from total mangrove in the world. Mm-hmm. That's just, he's, sequestration 2.8 gigaton.

If we're puttling with the people, we're in Malaysia, like Thailand, Brunei, Philippines, Cambodia, and other, like,

that have put in the land mangrove, we have 10, hectare, yeah. That's capacity sequestration

10 gigaton. And emissi-carborn every year to be only the year, so, So that's just I'm look at the

people that's the way that's been contributing to makeobati the world as a far-em- massala.

Yeah. Yeah, can? 10 gigaton we can get to every year from emissy

carbon 40 gigaton. Only with penanmen mangrove from 10 jute hect, which which

Indonesia has 2.8 Maybe Indonesia can make in the 5-juta or 6-juta. This, if you can't go, one, one,

you can't sequestration carbon, but the other, you can't make upercayment. Because the ikanns will robas. Yeah. And blue food's not robust, protein. We're kind of poor protein. Mackenuantuantotak, aga, aga, agar or suboptimal. Yeah.

So, more protein more than the chicken, than if the doging, ma, It's just like Sapsing our own. German, Europe Argentina, Argentina, Brazil 40-50kilo. Mokaneen their more

and we don't have land to what, what, yeah, rewate or them buddidayakan because the landannes because of the the land,

but if, if you're Maritin, how, bro, this this is kind of, this, but if, but, but, but,

And you're the to the way that's about about we're talking about we're talking, we've got to use the asset that we have America, can, like there's grand mangrove a little, but we're actually, scope we're just more much more

more than, and in Indonesia, in a couple of months I took to Abu Dhabi, it's, you know, $100, you know, research center

in, that's right, you know, that's right, in Bali, can, that, And it's the other than the other they're actually to look at the potential. We're going to be, we're going to be able to get,

that's just one of the other people who are looking for the other opportunity, back to your point. For example, for EAS, and it's going to use a lot of carbon, blah, blah, blah. Then we can counter it, you know, we can, okay, fine, you have this, I have my strength, you need me.

if you want to balance the emissions in the world. And I think opportunity is very big, because, especially in the area like Pandura, in Sumatra, the part of the... Sorry, Timur, Ah, Submapu, Papua, Papua, Kalimantan, Flores, etc, yeah. And, and the, and the way.

And the, and the other, that's the Middle East and there, That's Katulis'a, but they're also, but one of the coastline only, if we're mutter in the poolau, so it's more, more than, and coastline their,

can, if they're, because of the pastur, can, not that's not that's just right, not that's not really lumpur, the land of, right? No, I fully agree, and I think there's actually huge opportunity there, and there's,

the, the other, the other than the mangrove, also, is a bit more than the open sea and sogeney and sogain. Protein is more than five-jamb, bro, we can't go longer. There's some of the end up. There's a lot, especially for, yeah, what, PL to the next, and Indonesia, Asia, Tengarra to the front.

Yeah, I think, because for PL, of course, And so... It's... It's amazing, right? You know? You know, when it's like in five,

when it's like cacow-cacow-cac-n't-you- the fact that that's there, there's people who have been being born

like a thing, it's amazing, right? So, like, we're very good-un-tong, we can, school at

SMP in, this, this, this, uh, how, 60 years. In general, I think

just using what I'm the name you know, the problem hard, work smart, but always believe in the basics. So I always believe in the basics. So I mean, always that's the basics, I think, I mean, that's the same, that's right, that can

be, that'sar-dash-asar, that's that, that be able, that that's not that's good will be able to make the good. Don't get quick put up and don't get to get up

to look at the result. That's just all. Thank you very, bro. Thanks, bro. Sam, bro.

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