Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Hendri Saparini: Arah Ekonomi di Era Pemimpin Baru

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

Dr. Hendri Saparini (pendiri dan ekonom CORE Indonesia) membedah tantangan pertumbuhan ekonomi Indonesia, yang menurutnya bisa diselesaikan dengan kebijakan publik yang cermat. Membahas secara holistik dinamika ekonomi Indonesia—mulai dari kelas menengah, UMKM, pajak, peran swasta, lapangan kerja, hilirisasi, investasi asing, ketimpangan, potensi pertumbuhan, hingga menghidupkan aktivitas ekonomi di desa. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #HendriSaparini ----------------- Episode Endgame lainnya yang mungkin juga Anda sukai: Zulkieflimansyah: Pemimpin Grasak-grusuk dan Jebakan Ideologi Jusuf Kalla: Begini Tugas Wakil Presiden Dayu Dara Permata: Bisakah Sandwich Generation Punya Rumah? ----------------- Gabung Langganan Channel Endgame agar kami dapat terus memberikan konten yang berkualitas: https://sgpp.me/becomemember ----------------- Jelajahi dan diskusikan lebih lanjut episode ini di https://endgame.id/ ----------------- Untuk ajakan kolaborasi dan kerja sama, hubungi kami di sini: https://sgpp.me/contactus ----------------- ‘Mata kuliah’ 0:00:00 - Intro 0:01:31 - Dari Kebumen ke Jepang 0:08:28 - Kenapa UMKM kita tidak naik kelas? 0:14:50 - “Butuh keberanian dari pemerintah untuk berubah” 0:21:42 - “Kreativitas di dalam membentuk kebijakan itu kunci” 0:29:08 - Ciptakan lapangan kerja sesuai tenaga kerja 0:35:54 - Pertumbuhan ekonomi: Sejatinya untuk (si)apa? 0:42:25 - Deindustrialisasi terlalu dini 0:54:12 - Fiskal diserap moneter, kapan beredarnya? 0:59:04 - Industri menengah juga bisa dapat invesetor 1:05:05 - 5 tahun ke depan, kurangi program “quick win” 1:09:17 - Pemimpin perempuan dan berpendidikan tinggi 1:16:32 - Kesenjangan kesempatan, pendapatan, kekayaan

PAHs, but PAHs, but the PPPH, but the PPPH, but the PN is PPPN, it's the partak, the PADPN is the because everyone can take the impact of the same, the entire of the

people, and the PPPN to be 12% that. Cobarer, the class menhah, it's, they're beaughan too many.

This, this is, I think, I'm sorry, with with with with with with comanterbateer no more, no, we need, we need,

we have to be looking for money but why, for what, when? So, so, so,

but why not creak job? If if you look many of the country, they're really, but turn

the government that, we're, we're, we're, no, in the other other

not that's not that. That's what it, Howlingy, what's What's the right? This is about

mustachal. As much as a lot of we're saying, it's wrong but bollong, but bohonged. Hello, teman,

today we're to gettangan I'm a person from core or center of reforms on economics.

Thank you, because, God, Mungo, Mawksa'u. Maw? M. And to get to school,

the UGM, and in Japan, how that's if? If I was, I'm from where? I'm from

Jokja, from Kota Gede. Bapakoumen. Kepumet is Kavit is Kavitin that, Kavitin,

which, until this, termiskin, in Ibu, Ibu, I'm also pedagang, and with the people, if we're still lullos S&P, we Pindach to Jokja.

So, all, Kaka, Berdick, that school, SMA, should be in Jokja, and schoolia not, not in the area

again. Wachter that, Tuntus' with 10 10, can be able can. I'm,

number bra? I'm number So six. So, I'm for the last about about being people. That's quite baffa

and by the same my life, Bapach my name so. So, that maybe that we're making that's big,

we're doing, we're doing, to be able to support. And I think, I'm going to Kaka Kaka,

also, SMA in Jokja. And, And, to to make sure that's we're in Chokicac because there's a lot

in Dukkah, there's also in the samearang but the intemps, so, so, but if you're about 80s, can wadjaro, right, right,

right, that's, the bapagang, so, the peongenen, you, you're, being prii, like, so,

so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

And I'm going to be a senior, mas. But I'maughness in university certain to, jurorsesan tertentoo. And I didn't be able to. Afterner, I'm going to be economically just. Because if I'm going to be insinior at the campus that I'm not interested.

So, I'm going to make a plihanes because, in time, dula, we can doveter two. IPA and IPS. And I'm going to doveting. PES what, because we're in IPA, yeah, yeah, yeah, gira, yeah, gyrr, yeah, that's the economy, mas.

Now, so, if you're gonna beckonom, wow, d'u'll economy just not get ready. So, I'm gonna'all, you know, if you'll beaughed to be it's gonna be it, so, yeah. So, yeah, but that's the way that's the way. Soinga, so much more to try to make sure, I'll see you in Gajamada.

Yeah, al-Dolulilah, Bessuselang, to be able to beckon-norsing? Ah, or long-nong-n't-nors-in? I'm-gah, I'm not. I'm not, because I'm still there, ad-ad-ed, so. So, I was.

So, after, I was in Jakarta, when that, in a-us-sus-sla, consultant. But, I'm still because of the last year-in and I'm going to be able to bea-the-schooling. And I'm going to be able to be able to beckoning. I don't know because I'mtoua-safei-you-law-knotes-you-wonging.

But the mimpies I only that, so that's the time I'd be taken to beckarie on the Kementriian-Ewangan, I'm daffat in there. So, I'm-furted-five-tawn in Kementarian-Ewangan, but it's structural. So, there's a think-tank, NAMS, for POSA& Implementation Studies,

I was in 5 years. So, I'm very muchmati because we're making research and then we're discussing with the Kementryan terkite. So, one of the, we're,

that's, we're not so much for malaria. So we're from the various aspects in the labangang and then we'll discusses it

in the Kementrikan. That's right, right, because that's the first time, because of the government, the government, government, co-wangerouser, together. So, after it, there's a problem, and, like, yeah, we're doing into so, so research, it's only in self-a-a-shares. Now, we're not too far as, so when, at least, I was met with Paul Rameh, Al-Mahom. I know him. And, then, then, mendirical, e-conid.

So, so much, masha-oh. So, so I've been able to build up. I'm from indicted corps. I'm inundering core Indonesia. Torn where that, core? Core Indonesia, I'm under 2012. And I launching Core Indonesia 2013. Okay.

Now, so I'm saying, And, Mr. Rizal, I was it's not yet I'm trying to make a company so that's more than people who are in public. And I'm keeping with model I. So, because for me, collaboration is important. So I'm going to have a company that can be collaboratively with many

people to make sure. Now, this is that I'm trying to build. I'm going to support to Japan, too, right? Yeah, bettow. That's before. Oh, so before. So, I'm still in Econate. So,

so on 99, then you know, it's not going to be if you're not school. Because, anything, Tink, butthew, you know,

the end up, you know, we're struggling, yeah, begin a new back again, we're, we'll,

we'll go to America or to Japan. Because I have had a lot two, I'm,

I'm, I'm, So that's I'm then I'mudic I'm going representative bank d'anguania then they're

to get Japan to getjepang so to make make a master when it So, so really program that

it's only master and for what, for middle career that. Now, just after

I'm sorry I'm to give to So I think, maybe I'm going to have because I'm going to have two people, so much, so.

So, yeah, so much I'm at the university. In topic what? Now, I'm ambrilness, it, in political economy, but major my jury's my job in industry.

So, so I'm more about UKM because it's because I'm sorry because I'm made comparative study that

Indonesia and Korea Southan So, so so, so it was same crisis, yeah, 98. So I can

see what what did happen what do you look at what doork Southan to to helpam before crisis and then what they're doing to help them

while it's not. Well, it's not really what, what, what's significant as a better. So, so, from sysi,

from the up upem, so they, so they're that, UK.M. It's, also,

um, um, that's competitive, and have business linkage with industry business linkage, So there's some kind of design,

and there's, like in Indonesia, we've been a lot of the people who are the same, but they're not having design with the design with the same, mas. In Korea Southan, they've got designed together, mas. So,

so what can't work on the whileopunger a lot. So, there's a lot of, that they have ideas to make up to make sure this product. This is a company that's after it's done.

After it, so, then, it's done to make F.S. Now, set this is, visible. He's brought

for a company the bank that's not charity. Yeah, we're not, we're not with charity. Yeah,

but, we're going to do with charity. But the government's as a certain that the government's the government's the company that's about the company. After that, there's a company to help them marketing. So, it's so it's been able to bea-m-demer. They're not chai-up. But they're not U-K-K-M-U-K-M that product-not-competitive.

Because from the sysi, then from the design, from the support of technology, that they're there. Now, when it was a company also, I tried portrait, if in Indonesia,

we've got to make the commensri-interation, yeah, cooperation and UKM. If at them, not as MBC, soapsed, soaps, so much more than so much more than them banser,

now, if they're just a lot of the kind of pedacetathings, apalagi, because then, men, the country, if they're not put up on the

area. So, so how UKM, it will be damping in the same the endgatantly is bureaucracy. And the two,

there's the other there's a lot of when they're in muddhawn to ask. Now, that's, the time, the time,

because Parizal so-Mentry I'm need to running a-running forusa. I,

I'm going to the KM. So, I said, that was also, she's about, we're going to

make sure you make sure the lembaga as the Korea, that in Japan, that Not that, but that but that's stillisicrable, but that's stiller.

And the company that's been, but I'm not, but I'm not a lot. But I think if we're in-degatant our, for business we're-degatting that, it's not going to get-temok. So, not-get-get. So, like, again, ultimately, UKM is more like charity. Now, several years ago, I've been a good-exemptant, when we canes,

we're in the United States, now, ternandez if you're in Vietnam to help UKM, it's different again, mas. So, when they're still

micro, they're not in the government or the company that's up the bank, but in

the government in the country. So they're also, this nursery, then did put, the,

the end-and-a- -her-re-a-ment-a- -re-catured. So they're going to make, they're going to beaugh. Now, they're going to beaim, by address,

that's the same way. So, so, if I'm, that I have to make class. If I'm back one, that's in time, two years, as well as the program,

I have to class to be a bitang two. After that, until bintang five. Bintang 5, that means, want, want,

want, the law, Bintang 4, they're like, export. So, so, it's right now, it's, can, many that's, there's been so, man, man. So, you know, so, right? So, you know, so, and the government,

many, to help UKM, but never menacken class their. Now, so I think, maybe, what, um, yeah, one of the core Indonesia that's a newfound, reformed, in the down UKM, it's also,

we need to reform the pejor to reform the pejacking that. So, we don't need to bechara who's what, who's wrong, but fact it's not a country who's doing. Conset pengabungan between swasa

and the government, this has been It's but, but we're just But we're just Because in we're in In fact that If you're allah

If you're There's a lot of Undang It's not something that With that's It's just So,

So, So, musin'n't, it's, it's quite flexible, yeah, Cucup dynamic

to, to, and to be the condition that there. Now, this, we're,

kind, we need to that we've that's like that's like that's a good-you-'a-bearingian from the government to moveaugh from the same-its-a-law-lawed-lawed-law. M-co, that's-man-co,

you know, why not efficient, soing some people say, well, if, you know, let's think, I mean, I, but we're not, MNCO, but we're not like the same,

yeah, MNCO-Precognomian, MNCO-K-Cexhaught-Chytraan, then, I mean, I'ma. I'm a lot of mehcou for something that's a priority from the government

that's current. If it's really, bettodentia, macka minko peritan that he can be lintas KL. If now, MNCO pre-economian, it's, yeah,

the, he, in-bawakness, is the Uruusan, the Kmenterian-Ekonomian, Menko, sorry, menko pre-economian, but that's not. But if we're going to bechara penitism, we're going to beckon Keshirentraan,

right? Now, if we're making link-and-match, want to build an industry, what is here need what, the more difficult we make co-ordination. Because in our, co-ordination is it

can't anter MNCO. Now, in-pah-pott-you-mustin-a-pun. To be able to support program this. So, I think, So I'mawing, what, what, what I'maum, to do you know, with us? Because what's the economy we're like this.

Actually, it's not something that's hard, because we're banning it with the country other, also, also, also, is. I'm going to back to concept of the unobunging swastah and the government in one room. So, how important, that? For the important, not only Pupuco,

but for the Bucing, for them to say, for them to be able to be able to class as far as inamunging, and then with penguroping. Sucur, pimpugue Pemupuco. So, what is? Pengabungan swastah and the government in one room.

So, yeah, yeah, what's, yeah, that's about, first of the, because of the-enchanna-an, because of the-enchana-an-it-it-a-could-old. Misas, if we, if we're,

the, that's, what, is the prioritized, what, is? Because, if the government says, that, before, five-town-l-like,

sector is this, this is-a-and-as-a-as-a-could-a-cac-cac-cac-cac-re-cort-to- — Because of the theater that, and business, will be the business, pasty the other than, and then, that's done.

I think that's done in many the countries like that. But, like, in Vietnam, malas justro, it's very, very, it's not, it's not, it's put up,

it's, maybe we can't, but, but that's what is it's alloccurcuh. Then, we can make something, we need to,

what, we're doing, that is swast. the government, has to make sure you're not. but it's quite, justro, swastah, who's going to beacute the government, mausay, maybe, there's a problem.

So, the discussion I, when there was one conference in China, when that crisis 2008-2009, when that China, it, made a sub-buechewat a good idea, so, it's not-bosage-old-you-law-law-bosk. So,

So it'spourong export to there's in the country so they're in need to production, and to export to Asia, especially asaean. The government will help fundanourn. So, import,

we're, we're going to pay them payer first. What's been paying is, bank ex-im-sahina. I, believe, that's a lot of because it

will be part strategy from the government to save-examated economy, with the business they're the other people who they're they're not,

I'm going to be able to becheworthy like that. You're from government or not? Oh, not that I'm not going to be a lot. We're going to becatheser 100-jamb-per-migue. Artini-naut to come up to

hand-in-hand, so this can't But we're not, weasaw can't do this, don't know, we're doing the way to beaaccombe, Rasa, rasana, in our data, it's still there. So, after, d'u. Soasa, in there, don't we're, so on, so on the same. So what's just-jaga?

Sementarer, they're really, bethuechalkan, they're doing something that, that's what's about two-doubos. When we've got to both-daying, I've gothawed, with the Dubas, one of the ones, I've discussed with Dubas Vietnam,

and some of the people who areinguesaing in there. I'm talking, how much agiatine economy in the same COVID? We're still on. Pelabuan, tet up rame. Why? Why? Because, this, COVID.

Oh, not that, bu. So, in Vietnam, it, that's the sector, that's a sector that's a more than, and that's a lot more than in the world, so that he has been reproductions. After that, the government has been jaccaged

with protocol that's very tight, industry, industry, it's still be agonement. But, this, can't be able to beer, economic, yes. I, think, I'm, why,

I said, not only for the The company has been able to work but it's the same, but for the kind of economy, why do you do you know, why do you think that's a lot of our country.

Prioritas Turkey is a sector parivisata. So, not to makeerak economy slama COVID, it's that's pariwisata. Tentu, because he's done with Europe and and the other than, you know,

but he's there. And so much of the world'sakia. COVID, it's not sure I'm in terms of the government, to keep a lot, to keep-wisata in Turkey with this, a set-a-upacquitismed, to make anticipation. While,

actually, the people get COVID in Turkey, the rubat it in Indonesia, too, right? Because, because, because they're going to come up, because they're going to doleashy-on-a-oh-oh-com.

But, I mean, there's not a lot of people who got COVID-it-it-to-law. But, I mean, I mean, creativity in-dalen recital can't bea-cuitan, it's key. So, if we're not want to look what the problem, and what we'll make, not can't munseal innovations, maus. Bercal-a-cali-cali-s I'm-sambac-a-pack-a-old.

Packet Sembuckoo, there's been around, ma'cateau. There's a lot of people. Is it's a lot of, which is borgant, 8,000. I said, why not did decentralization, Nas? Don't do youursing one of the Comentryan Social.

Because what? Gampang to corruption and, and yetan it's been, because with the amount of people, that's just to bemenupe, but it's not even though, but it's notheritization on the level of theapotent,

and wadip, the package sembago is, pangu local, or sembaco local, this will be regraqan. Nilegna, the limit of $50 trillion. If you're... Jaminan what,

that's it, if it's... Decentralization. Not can't bejadjadjubljubljubljubljublis. Tentralist. Tentu, we're... , we're... there's there's, we've got to have technology. Yeah, we can't use technology to make sure that

that's the product, product, that's from there. And the penerimation, it's, we're, like, now, Ban Sox also, has used, has used to use, what, name, transferer that, has, already. So, so-sasarance, it's, now, is now, still small-kechle. Now, but, it's, can, benefit-near-one,

So one, but so on the last but that's it's like that. So, if you're going to make sure, the point-sacarant, but not end-dorong

economy in local it can be chalachlan. So, same with, I'd ask, Parabaw, that first,

about, about, when it was, it was, it was, it's, not much, yeah,

how, with, man, I'm not even if I'm not even if I'm I'm gonnaeuvre what's important is design of the Biccichaeli is if we're talking about now the manned

backerskissue grates artinia we're going to be more than 300 trillion per time that that can't makeerackan economy in in the so it's just But it's just because we're just because of gisigrisis.

So, that's not stinting. It's just that. With angaran that same, we're going toadong the shis-hulun. So, so, so, so we'll, so that's-pastiked that the, by the group of the group of the group of the group is the product, that's the local supply chains that can be able to beware of the area.

Imagine I, if it's the type of abutapotent, it's. So, so, so, so, driver's it, can't be what I mean, that we can't, I mean, we can't, we can't make up the economy. Back to the idea that Ibu, to getepatine the same-between,

with the best that's how much illustration? Is it? How can't be done by the lembaga that did issue by swastah and the government to help facilitate or maybe

there other that's other than that's not one model we're making. So, we're going to do linkage Between industry Depend on sector.

Because because there's strategy between industry and the industry with industry electronic, most. Tentu, that's the strategy is the same is the different

if you're the industry of theatine-minuania, we can't make, from the hulunuch, mendorong, there product-product that can be serap by industry, the industry manufactures. So,

fiscal has been a, not have statis. So, we can we make sure give an incentive fiscal. But, but, do you can't,

incentive fiscales to be given to make up because of the UKM how much more than specificity that's what we're looking can be able to, there's a lot of there,

there's a lot of, um, the company, and so, but if, industry, industry, like,

like, the, if, electronic, or automotive, Tentu, we're, we're more sophisticated

the, this, the projectation. And, And it's a lot of there's a strategy to but this is that because in Indonesia

it's now linkage there's 18% so, so industry business business land and the the bagu-nair-

yeah he chari and import that's that's also the bond bagu-n-n- import.

Now, the same time if we're bandinginging with the country in Asia just

it's they're at 40% 50% even, even 10% So, we've got it. In fact, we've got to,

but it's not to linkage business. 40%, in the art of the small, that's not being the big. Beto. So, if we're just 18%. 18%. So, that's what makes industry our, industry we're not be regarer.

Bayangang, if in Japan, it's one industry automotive, supporting-n-redu-a. So, what is the fact. see, industry the industry the industry the country

because it's like because it because of the linkage that's now if we have been many industries

industry in our how much how we're making can't be with the

can't be if you want to it's sure because we can't make uping UK. because

we're making UK. So, yeah, yeah, because it's Now, if we've got to PQP, now, if we're going to beckhap,

the same, we're going to guide UKM. Today, where are UKM we? We don't know if we're able. So, this is among, there's investation that's going to be made. Pastity, there, after the time is it's a lot more than, When is what's as is what's the power to be able toop? If it's part of the industry, Mnumman, can't beaughan, when they puttoeuf,

when they need to be able to, that's still there. Now, if this is information, making linkage business with usasas and menhagat, it's kind of there can't be a gregoraxe. But this, this, not nimbung, in the information, so. So, bettotation is up.

But why not create job? But if this, this is information-hmman, this is a lot of the same-active to make, there are kaitan, kaitan, there link-kage in-tare-it. If you.

If you. If you. If you're looking, if we're not, the number of the micro-un-KMKM, that's, kind, is 125,

you know. If, you're not-M-KM-KM-M-KM-M-KM, to, let's 5, total total 30 million. But the number of the people dewasa, that's on to, as far as,

if you know, if it's, if you're, linkage, anguplah from 18% can't be able to

40% so far the pembah land work, it can be more more more.

Apaka it is, the, the $125 $1.25,000, and 140, 150, this one of the end up to the end up. This is the end uprogyn't, right?

Right. Right. Yeah, right. So, what? So, so what? Yeah. So, the, I mean, we know, we're making, that we create job, right?

Because that's the problem our time. So, that we're just be a great, in many-mone, make-production something. Now, now, how much, how much, it's really, but to create the landings. Now, if you know, but the people who are not beenediction,

they can't, they're able to be used to give up money, they can't make make-production which is, off-taker from cabbage it's not there. Off-taker-n-user, can,

seger, long-som. But, can, semestin-in-useterning, it's a industry-ceteer that there in the area that. So, so if that, yeah, this,

yeah, this, create job. So, create job that, we have, we have, and, actually, we can't

make a work on the characteristics that want to be a good. So, if they, the end of

the, I'm, maybe, the, S.M. Like, I, but I'm,

but I'm, but, he's, but, he's, something. So, so that's important, you know,

we're going to make sure industry in the to make sure and then we're trying market now. Now, it's already time digital.

We can't be able to so. So, I'm not malo. When I was talking about the buyer

from Europe, I said, try-lap, you investsation, to hillyis- production something to, we're,

we can create job, like, in Indonesia. What, how, manga, I'ma, because I'ma, because of course I'ma, because of course, I'm saying, is there's a lot of America reproducing gem from manga? We don't have, as well, as well, we're doing jusel it, uh, segar, or maybe

it's just, but can be able to bebrate. Now, so, yeah, so it's not, so instead, but they're going to be able to I'm not whether that's whether it's in the in the menermentryan yeah what I'm in

the ministry why I'm not in the pertanian also not so that so yeah so you

maybe many many philanthropies that there maybe people who are who's allspers with their yeah

like us like this like can't can't what's what's like that that can't

that's like that that's that's that I mean I'ma that's a manga that's a lot of people who can't be hilarisasicam. Bisa can create job,

can create value edit. Now that's right. That's just one. Well, that's the other. So, I mean, I, if we're not,

If we've got linkage between the industry with the business, with the part of the business, depending on the sector it, to be able to make language that.

That's what, but how-neau? How-ya, mas, yeah? Now, if you, now, if you know, if, if, Sobaugh-bara-hmm about-a-a-a-a-bore-a-a-dust-d-a-d-laborang in-a-could-in-a-derm-negrook

and can be-productive-negris. I'm sure, ma-a-a-a-a-pac-could. Tepung tapioca we import. Tepong-cac-cac-cac-cac-cac-pac-cult. If, if we're-lis, then we have to make the biocan-it-a-tit-til. Not-hany, this we're-tet-tet-st. Not that's, but if we're about, okay,

we'll say, we're going to five products just. We're going to be in a lot of the area where, yeah, where's the area, what's the area, what, this, this, this is this can do, how much, how much, how much, perhaps, maybe, maybe we can't, we can't, we can't,

we can't, make allocations, basically, this. So, so, today, Now, this isa, it's a new million, if we're in the land, maybe 10th-a-old,

so, not use 2 million, we're doing, to make, investasasic, private, a small, only to be able to

really, so, so, so, we're, we're saying, practice, so,

so, yes, so, so, they're but they're up, the people, so they're being, wow, we're not,

we're gonna, in the country not like, they're really, make sure, what's happening in Japan. Japan,

it's ganti with white paper their, they're not automotive, not like electronic, but they're being put in

jasa. What is there what is, the sector pedic can, make-cuted. So, prodi, what name name name, what name is, what name is, what I'm supposed,

make the company, so much, make sure, so much, so much, so on. So, so, I'm sure, so, so concept leadership that's be think as a wira-usaha, this is what do you're because if weirahusaka, we're trying to be reinnovation, if if not, we're just paper just. Maybe that's what, you know,

why, it's just. This, if we're looking with pertumbuan more than 5% that we can we can't

more than 2,000 Lampan work, net per-awn, can? I can't I can't be bangangang or a linkage

between the bigchre and and the elirization this is a lot of yearn't. Yeah, can? What I'm gonna do not? I'm gonna, insombolech. And that's gonna be able to... And it will beaumbollation

to embollah can puttumann economy that more than 5% yeah, right? In-bawapen. And, and, And maybe, I'm going to,

I'm going to cut fiscal. Yeah, right? The right. The power of the government, need to beputtooks and sure,

to be enabled. Yeah. Yeah. Enablement, to, memerlukan rural, but,

because, after, this, the room fiscal we're, kind of, kind of, kind of,

but, but, to-de-d- -d-up-to- with the termination to bemenuie whatever, like this,

so to say, we're saying. We're, what name it, which is, which is the government, maybe fiscal that's about

budget, it's one whole. But, but the government has put tools that unlimited, which is

the name it is the biggaker, so. So, But, but the biggaganty, that's the that's the right. So, that's the same,

the same thing is important that's there's in, sediacan, there's, there penguaring or penambahing or penambahed

not really. But, but it's just, I said, I said, I said, said, I'm saying,

can, can't, it's kind of people, personal, and the money, but,

but, not targeted. Okay. Like that, like that's like that's like that's like that's like that's So that's like that's So that's the demander So that's the demand It's, make, so, so,

So, make, so, so, so, so, you know, now, now, there's, there's commutahcalf, part of tax, but, d'emannan, for what, what, for what, when? Now, so, so, I think, yeah, that's the government that we're going to dolechre we're going to make, it's a more,

the instrument. Instrument that's not going to be matty, not even statis, kind of down, it's, it's, it's going to beckon sector. But if I'm looking

now it, heavy-in-it is more revenue. So, not to use Use of the instrument fiscal to make sure to make sure

because of this. If you're in, if you're going to to make sure, you're able to not back, but the next. So, so,

so, that's like I, there's not much, mas, that's the thing, so.

So, the, I'm, too, the, too, the, for the

things that that's sifattingingingan things, than things of course of mm-hmm, semestin'nation for the pay-fiscal and production,

uh, pachach up to production, ismestine than pachach for consumption, right? Ibu, in kubu that, or in kubu that?

Yeah, uh, we've, if, if, if, and Pachachach for consumption, and Pachachach for

production, it, what namay, what, what, what name a turnanation for what? Kadang, there's also, for product, it's not even for people, it's a lot of production. So, so, so, maybe, we need to define again, which, but the intonement is that musty be able to bring

room, yeah, don't, don't bring can beban in the front. But, but bringer room, so sector real, people business, before, after that they're uprored. Now, I'm actually, there's, there's

other, carer of, that's the way, man, but, the payback, but the autok-a-a-a-lap-a-l more, is

PPP. But, although PPP-N, it's the Pach-paling not-adil, yeah. Because, someone will

get-in-a-a-a-a-damp-n-n-n-a-d-lap-n-n-a- Same, like the same kind of the same-hmm and the same-hmm. So, like, now, if I'm going to say, MAPN-N-Mes to be able to-one-trapes. Cobra-Dolmanyahu, that they're bea-bondy, because they're too much. Why, he then has to turn class? So, maybe we've made-can fiscal today,

in two-douac-ne. We're modification, from the business-belanja, It's just, but real, because of the field, because of the product, so, because of captive market, can it's not be said jargon, but did detail,

in, where, to be inerap what, so. So, so, if I said, I said, misconduct, then, there's, also, there's product,

product, other, to help people Miscan. We're notarymuching Mata. He's about it. He's made sure. Can't be able.

So, if I'm going to have been a lot. Now, the other is, mind can the biggaken the business, thebtsakan per-daggaining,

thebiscation industry, so, so, don't even we can not have, we've got

put a biggation that's integrated. So, so, But, we're the same,

we're not quite that's about that's not quite. That's not even though that's not even menutop, what namah, barang for we're import.

But, can't be atur, there. There's quotany, there's tariff, it's, this is why, then,

the government, with, swastah, it has to do- bring, because, because, if,

not, not, You know, portion PDAB, that's down the bottom of the bottom. How about, Buc, to endang. Dool, can,

sepett 30%? Beto. So, so, before crisis, we've, we've done just did production do you,

blah, do you, before, dexport. Now, what, the, the,

the, the, the electricity, more more than, the electric for the other than that. It's

things that's because of the productive. It's not competitive. Aftern't, yes, that's that happened. So, during, so, that we used. So that we used, that we had, the portion

exporting, the top of 60%. Now, the commodity primar, that's export, more than 60% that, that's

because then industry manufacturing we have, we've got to industrialization. Now, What is it is it is it? If we're going to be able to produce,

because we're going to be competitive. I think it's not as much. Yeah, because we've got too long lulled to build industry. So, we need. If we're going to melawand apparel, like, with China or textile, yeah, not textile, but clothes, yeah,

that's closed, yeah, that's made. we can't, we can't find out. We can't find out of the sector manu-facture that that we have competitiveness. Now, we've got to bea-bought-bucked-bucked, we have a lotan that's also much loas, while many countries that don't have put up to. We'll pick what can we can't.

One of the sudut pandang why, maybe, has been de-industrialization, is, that's about the more thanpatea but it's about it's about underpateing our own-necatsy our productivity.

And if we look productivity, Indonesia, that per-of-one per-half, $25,000. If, if you're bandingingingan, the country and the other than-a-tanker, Singapore, is, it's at $200,000.

dollar. Tionkok, but more than we're more than we're than it's how much to make up, bu, to make up, because if it's going to get

in Batas Lohica, portion of manufacture, semestin'nestine can make. And, and semestinia penjbatenan on the

big and the middle and the middle, more can, yeah, can, more than the same-a-caut. Because the big, though, the more than-a-and-kechle,

this is more good, more productive, patut to get-jambut. Yeah. How? If we're... If we're... ...asicara,

like, in Singapore, maybe we've got seen in Korea and the other, productivity, the energy-in-in-a-grombed-in-a-certain-a-court-a-a-a-old-a-old-a-old-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. They're good, with product, with the value-edit-negedy-negedy-than-old.

So, we're not able, with much, and we're able to Apple. So, product what, with product we're doing, mas, we're not. So, that's one thing, mas we're. The second, if we're talking China, some product, maybe we're also production. But, there, can, there's duckungan It's uprovasa

From the power-weights-a-oh-you-cair-oh-oh-you-cithing to be able to It's just, not-a-nileney, so it's not a good-old-old-old-old-old-a-old-old-cuit-old. So, productivity-ness made... Because he can't make-productive-out-blessar. Balak-lagi, if we're-cita, for one certain product that same than in China Tad-tad. We, we're just not did-cung with market-ne.

Yeah. So, how, he wants to make-a-o-sett-ne. How much. How much? from the marketability is going to be perluas again. How much we've beenbucked

pasture for them? Membucking passar it can be able to be able to be it with what? Bejacking perdaggaining international. It's all what we can we can't do.

Ibu, look at this is also can't be correlations with pedigation? Yeah, if,

if we're, if we're talking, will be quick-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-educated, they're high-educated with sectors-sector that's even using technology more high, and productivity-nesses are more

more than productivity more than. But we can't look at facta, yeah. If we're now, 56% of it is the pendiccation of SMP to-bawah, that's what we'll make.

It's not really we're going to make sure, I'm going to say, I'm not. If I did it, if they were the same, the way that's just skis. Tiber, there's industry turunanournation, the value tambourn't more,

then, the money tambrowns and made up and soffernet more, and the value tambourn't even more, he's more, he's still, the education of S. But we can't give him, It's the same. They're not great value

they're going to be it. We've got we've got to be it's going to beckon big. Back can't buy just like messin-asar-na, that's just the people, they've been able to operate in many of them operasic can. After that, we're going to be able to be able to be the other. So, I'm sure, it's important.

To end uproong productivity and but but but buttivevitivitism than the other than rather than the other than I don't want to ask Indonesia that's the most the most thing that's the most

we're getting COVID just set back oh mas many who then not yet we're going to be able to we can't be able to but but beaerkan someone give them the bestepatant

to be able to to make upproductive, and beaumpti so if you're getting smithing, if you're just making simple. If not, he's not able to

make make sure, how they're there's gap with who's making the making a product of, so. So, so,

I think, with technology we, we're only, we're people, people, young, the people,

yeah, in the entire, they're, they're, they're, them make, market- the,

How much? In the market, what, what? They're in the market, they're about, but they're who's pedigourn't who, and that's always always

to do, don't make blue, because market that's not black and but, but it's just

just, because they're just, because they're that, they don't, want, the,

what, what name, the, But it's same-as-a-value-not-a-because-a-bred. So, maybe that's like that, in-redu-sah, I think we're going to beck, and this is what I'm going to, mas. Because what? Because when we're, for bonus demograph,

to thinker 10-tawn. 2035, we've got to move aging population. If you If you've got to be able to make up and a lot of people, people who's noteworthy, yeah, generation sandwich is it can bejadien So, so after we're taking, like, Right now, he's using population,

he's brought from Laos, from Cambodia, to be able to work. We're not being, we're taking, but it's important, the endangued linkage between menager

and the middle, especially the micro also, and also the porsy manoeuvre, it's very much can't be abate the condition class menangas

now, yeah, can, the, the class menhous now, how much more thaningat kind of yeah, yeah, class men, yeah, or the UMR, yeah, class UMR,

they're never, layoff, because they're going to change technology. And he's not can't be reserap for sector that's as well as well as, he has been back, he has turned,

not again, to class menhah. But, while class menh, menhugue class menh, it's, it's, only 2,000 per-relegues.

So it's very-that-that-hmm. If it's the first-called if you're going to get-ach-ach-ach-ach-ach-ach-ach-all-dust-a-fix-a-old. It's also not far from UMR. So, if we don't have a compempower to make design, the biggackan, so, not, the end up,

informal sector that we can't be able to work. Because only informal sector that doesn't have beenirir of the person to make, soar soarization. but that's not the sector digital that's only because

there's not there's option. There's no option, there's just um, sub-o-jol, or driver

Ojol. That, that's not minkatka. But, although, they're, they are,

they're in under the U.M.R. So, so I'm what you're doing what did happen

by Thailand, They're not even in industry 4. We've got to get back. We've got to make. The other, I'm going to be the other than how much how much. So, so now new investment has to 4.0

So, so yeah, it's going to move to Thailand. But, for industry, industry that's very point-0, 3.0, because they're, what other than they're Weak craft, he's, he's he's up, he's up

he's still work. Maka, they're going to we're relocation. To where relocation? To the country and the can't make them make them competitive. For, to make up

spa, they're now, investasiness, in Bali, mas, relocation. To make the industry jewelry, they, investasiness is in Maluku,

because the bahbaku I'm not there. So, if we're from today why, like it's like that there's a bitalbentah that's actually active, make sure people, that's the way,

we're going 4.0. So, not be able. Because, if it's up, because if you're not, if we're not, if we're not, if we're not, we're just, we have ballon, which one, the one,

the one, the pencate, this is, melebar. that's the same here, the last bit of the last year's. So, the problem that's about,

not just not just the idea. This is, the paradigming is everyone has still bekerja. The competitive

has still competitive. Won't be 4.0, but who's not to be competitive. But what the

people are the government to beabilited it. Bu, I've got raised issue on the

risk about the language, and how we can't make sure hilirisades Rewan monotetre

I'm looking from the data point that's there's there's a seterbatassan and if we can look ratio M2 or money bredar

to be dead to be not up 50% ratio aset perbanked and thereada PDB, Aghaplaglia

in the context PDB, 20-20-203, or 24,000 minimum, minimums again. So, we're going to junker back like how

if you're but if you not there, but, but in-ahal we're not we're uperucan more than

100% PDB. Yeah. Because there there's there's to beckul for speculation

too, and but we're just only 40% what I musty I'm going to do you I'm sure that's

I'm not a lot of because I'm sorry but if when it's not when you're that's up by fiscal menciptaken

with various surat be hargaining and then it'ssrap by monetary when then it can be derived

in the society so. So, why we're not we're, if outwarking what,

gethurted, it's going to be able to gethackan economy. But if like now, they'd jual, in a way, and then disrep by monetar, the resuppersing it

will be like this, as much. So, munkincolns that will come back, that can't, you know, lembaga penerima-in-a-

and the company belanja, it will makeir-itkan that's like it. So, so, we're really, Sohap, we'll just, we're under the Parenthood, but what's the model like, do? So, so we're how much how many way wayyayy it, how much the way

the way can't beaccharacter that can't beckoning it, that. So, don't, from-uang to-wang. If we're only from-to-wang-wang, there's nottes to make sure that. it's like, that's like I'm sure now, right,

maybe, maybe a lot of popular, mas, yeah, who's being said par par people are people, that's,

coordination fiscal, monoter. I mean, I'm not right, because there's a coordination

fiscal, monetary and real. Yeah. Because it's not real it, only did gregate over,

with, with the or with the biggeracist, with the bigger, there's got to be there's been in investasies. Tibba,

it's been not being not really, not be, because it's there, there's a way more

more, more, more, more, the, the government, will

sell, uh, to to build in the capubatans like this, FSA

like this. I think, man who people who have been the money, to,

to buy, to buy, what, what, what, what, what, because they know, one, it's, there's, there's, there's, there's returner. And then, this is for their, but, so on, soarer's not for them, mas.

Now, so that's the way, that's all right, so that I've been menlis, mas. Investation Lebaran, so. So, I'm not used in Compass when I, so, so, I, if I'mudek,

That's a day, I'm going to have to have to have a day, because I'm going to have to comeponged. Now, this is why, yeah, not a investment fair in each capuptan at the time? So,

the government dairah it, them facilitation, there's initiatives investations in different sectors. And, and then,

diaspora, the, I mean, who's out of the campong, that, but but they're but they're still

they're called, but they're and networked by the industry today. so, I mean, I'm going to do industry Tried. I'm trying to, what, yeah, I'm doing, Yeah, ma'amubleed as usual, mas. If we're going to dole-al-dala, yeah, al-hmudulah, in America.

And, after the a year-aheer-a-free, yeah, so in America, that's 5.5%. Yeah. It's memasksan economy, can. Yeah, yeah, who's who is to bekerja if... It's $5% Diaya money.

In Indonesia, the last year, I'll look overnight SBI just to be up 7%. It's more to move to muter road economy.

Mahal because. And, yeah, so, you know, to make up M2 or money brenner,

it's, the first, yeah, if we want, we're just costly. Yeah. It's too.

The two, we can't is that's because of the because of the Bunga more than during the time we're sacksikin two days ago in America the United States. If I'm thinking the same thing,

this is the same thing you say, it's the name is penanmen model. It's not from money to but money to bank but money. Right. It's.

It's money to the perkebunan. Um, money to real, right? Now, this if I try to bookus in penanaman model, asing, maybe, maybe

better than, Asia-Tengara, is a number $200-a-dollar a year. Singapore can get $100-1-40-miliard dollars.

Indonesia's 26-3-31, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam. Mastings, $10-million. Like it's, like Indonesia like that's in the Umpur

100 to 140. If that's a lot. So, so, so, so, what, yeah,

we mean, we've got, if we're looking in fact, macro, investasies we're, but we're going to get not yet,

but we, we know that At leastasiness, it's a investasic that's quite bad-modal and very bad-technology. Sementara, but we've got to our people,

the condition that's like that. So, so we're macketka which, okay, like, dillan, but there's strategy investasies

asing, not have domestic, mas, asing, who can be able to be a sector that, which,

the bestarance that, it's, it's, giant, so. So, so I've ever penguins, investations from Malaysia. They're inunders, manoeuvre, mas. 50 million, some of 100 million.

There are that making pengolahs alasawit to make virgin palm oil. There also that they make, mongolah air, sumber air, to bejadom in the community, in the willia, that's many,

Not so many exactly, investors, that's very much the way to do. So, so now, if you're small,

maybe risk-necelsing they're still more than, but if they're tend to look how much see, how much,

the consistency of the if we're, if we're not, we're just, sometimes, yeah,

kind of, they're, back again, and then, and then, and then, But it's just because of the part of the prioritans. Then, then, we're not consistent.

For the public sector, you know. Lalo corruption. Corruption, we're still very high. So, corruption is still many who investsation, like, apollary. We're then just chara-cara-lain to be able to make them. But they're not just to move to various sectors. I'm who's who I'm going to come to the company our.

For investasas, many, mas. And they're going to buy hotel, hotel, which ising down. Because what? They don't want to do itchus'in in Indonesia. It's been, two-tawn they're not-slese. Mending, they acquiesisi. Maka, now, this,

investors-in-sestor-in-estor-out-untle-melanch-a-law-reux-a-per-reux-a-lac-reux. that's really not too to be much more than 150 million, so many, mas. Make acquisitions the company and people are like that. So, so,

yeah, there's, I mean, I think, strategy to make-and-kind-investation that class-n-n-n-nagreli-l. So,

up, down, down, there are there-a-d-d-a-d-er-a-er-a-er-a-reacte. Many-sank, Many things. If you know, if we can't make sure, I mean, sure that's important. So,

so much we're saying, if we're not with investasi by anyone, can't be able. Hanying with investation, then job that will be chippeda. But, just like,

like, this, we can't, we can't, we can't, we're, we're, we're not-quat, APBN-in-ne-

because of the more than more than more than more because of the Uphabreta. If they're being able to be able to beckxed. So, maybe mindset, we're going to be able to be able to. So, so yeah, yeah. So, I'm going to be able to bekerja. I see with the interbatsan room fiscal, with the interbatsan room monetary, Yeah. We'll not, we're not, we're not really.

We need to get along the world. This is important, this is what? This is what, what, what, can't be doing do you do? We're not going to bemerentah, because, can,

because, you know, I mean, I, permaçalhan we're not, is structural, and fundamental, so much, so much more than, so much more than that

so much the way that'ser so much five years that's not there again or it's not,

it's very we're doing the program program which the system that the fifted because

we've been When it's to be able to bequins. But if quick-win when we can can be able to be able to do you, we're okay,

but don't, the thing, there's, then, there's, the thing, there's going to, that's, I think,

it's not, not, it's not, not-up-a- we're- okay, we have got, we've got, it's, as quick-win,

should be-buck-and-ud-ud-a-d-l-a-a-a-o. But, the people that is the power the land that's the best-day-de-deged. If you're going to merit, d'-de-dap. If now, this can't be able to-at-as, so,

so, there, there ego-regional, like, this, this, this, can't have I. Back-in-sark, even, they need to,

they need to be able from the area that. Now, I've got to beaum, the government that's going to work to work on. So, the plananan of the

plan on the development it will be able to make sure, it will be able to, we're going to be able, it's going to beckon in the endang land. That,

it's, I think, so in-gut-a-bac-lac-a-lac-old like, even more than we're more than we're because there's part of the world because sporadis'n't. I was it a lot of people. I mean, it's just like 8% to not mustahil. Stutu?

If, yeah, I did say, it could be able to be it. It's just. Linkage, this, is as much asakal. Antara that's a lot, and the sameaghaned and small, like the micro. And how much more than how much more than how much more than. So, long as well,

long as far as far, from nickel to battery. But, right. But from manga to jam. That's amazing. It's if it's, if it's, what, yeah, to be, what, yeah, sebar-luas, can, And I'm like that's like that's up.

I'm like that's up. So, very much, much. So, I'm sorry. So, I'm not, this, this, this can't be perang with friends, too, yeah, who's making a lot of, yeah, we're, that,

that's, I'm sure. That's sadist, yeah, if I'm saying, if you're just, because, but, but it's just we're down, it's, it's, We have potency we have So I'm just to say we're just

with us with us. Asal, how how to make them make it do, that's just just that, yeah, 5% but who are 275 million people, it's going to beerog,

it's going to beerbara, that will bea-biasa. And, and the same thing, investas, it is longu. TANPANP without dilakugugation

in-but-in- Inputes, the samestinging the core can turn. Right. Yeah, right? This is a ring-cuit. Yeah.

That's why I-Corps is being able S-3 as a woman. Yeah. How much, so this can be inspiration to the men-temone

in Indonesia to make them ... Yeah, first of because I'm sure that's yeah, yeah, but I'm looking that's,

I'm going to be able to but, but I'm going to beauchery something that slam this I don't have been, and I don't, I'm

rather, I'm going to be like someone else. So, maybe if you're going to becky-you-pictor because he I'monging,

socialist, sociology, I'm not important, but, but I'm in front of course I, economy, it's kind of social, if you're in general, it's kind of people,

so if we're to make a good policy, you know, it has been the society that's the if it, if

the societyacquate agraris, the society that, the pedigation's the end, why we're then,

And soxocic. So, so back back again, I'm going to make sure I'm making a little bit more because it's legitimation we're, what namarcan one people, and

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waddinger, yeah, perjalan, one-tall-a-oh-lil-ah, oh, can't three-a-old, yeah, now, it's still 11-town, So there's there's there's

there that there's new that from there's notarerable so people that, we're always if there's a company that, we're a that's a company who, manawar can't something as a solution. So we're not not, I don't know

to have what we're better with the other So, one, one, that's one that's also, we'll be wrong. So if we're as aalice like we're saying, but bohonged, we're not. We're just consistent with our thinking people, so that people don't know, without thembacca, kira, koreh, jabondh, can't be like this.

Now, that's what I'm here. Because if I'm, has the that's just a lot of course. that's what I'm like, so. So, so that I'm going to be more than you,

people who are who are able to make up the law more than more than you. Actually, now,

the time digital this can be able to learn from where just. But we network to getemned

with people other, learner learn learn learn other than other like that's about like we're in whether we're in even better or

if we're going to think we're thinking like that that's more than it's important and now this is the people in

America and and the pinker in campus too, the groupan many. The man who's

the manned yeah. The manchuk so, right. So, so if it can be It's like that

That's about So, that's about There's catatting is, here, mas, there's catatting that, the children who learn to

that's there, why, there, that's, that he's that he will be a where it can

bemanfarting and what? Yeah. Back can, program Biasisisua Pomerentah, it's

only bicarant top university. But but but never you have been about you know, because you're in because of the people need to be

not, mas. So, so they're belajure prodi that but campus it's the top university

and back back up. He can't get-paping in myrush I. This, this is

also put money that bigas-as-sis- -sus- from-a-s-sus- from-a-pun-a-pani-a-pani-cun-a-cun- that we have we have we have we're, so that's not,

so that's gonna beaughan. So, he's banged, she's gonna, she's gonna, that's gonna, this is a story that menarch,

in the 90-an, can I, school, that, it's, it's, it's, by the time,

Thailand, Henry, you, when, when, he's, you, can'ter by

many, menter by, I'm I'mong, the country, right-la, I'm not. I'm not.

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pasty only in April or in October, in where, among the people, umumumly

that, so, so this, there, there, there, there, there,

there, so, there, so, there, then, they're, you are the

real, ambassador, So I'm So I'm in the apartment It's the product, mas, because I'm in Japan Yeah, because student that Boleh-Bawait-Bawak-a-Baw-a-W-Baw-A-G-G-Pofficer to So he, bethul-bisor-bisca-mend-a-oh,

this, why bad-bid-bent, yeah? So, after-pulah, they're making It's, well, this. Now, selama in-sana, this, But we can, we have a festival, we have to have to beaughan. We've got to beaughaned and there. It's been a tariffy tariffan that they're given can. Rempa, rempah, deep we can't.

If we can't, if we can't even if we're like to live in fact, yeah. And then, they're going to claim. L'Aliang. Yeah. So, yeah. So, why there, there, what, name, restaurant, restaurant Thailand that's anywhere. Because Raja mowcifed airlines, they're going tovawrampah. So, so, this, can, be it's a design of biggarten that,

It's really, to be it's real, like this, this, this, yeah, this, this, yeah,

this is the yeah, so I'm so, and why I'm doing that, learn from, them,

it's, learn to the world, the in the not, cannot, but,

but there can't be able to be there. This, this, this,

we've, we've, we're, we're, we're, we're the, we're,

we're, we're we've got to the trend. We've got to get the trend nearerunneringingle, either of the same

with the middle, small, and micro. There are some kind of I think I'm that's quite disturbing. This is

a bitpangangang. Timpangin terkeight with the endapaten, to get with the kind of the one of the fourth

how much the number of the world of the world, in the world, it's more than the more than the end up frontuburned in the cotes sector or more key to the more than, as a bit more as a bit, but wheningotanourgapingot

linkage, Pursi, Pernicator, Peningotan hilarization, this is a lot four phenomena that's about. And, you know,

so, so now, we're talking, we're talking, mas'nation, yes, but I, I justocan

in Korea, that they don't have money, not put, not put on the people who can't do. There,

the country because asal they've got ideas that's like that's like then they're back again.

They're both many times model model in 2000 that's that's what name what name

what um pendanaan that's that's so much so model there can

be many so much so. Now, in we're not so, so it's

to makeurangy to make sure can't from from the from the time because of the

because of the time give themproduction give down the time so, product product that can beproduction by the

young, give can get a time, to, to do that, the lot of the law that

we're not, not, we're not we're not, we're not we, we're, we, we,

what, by the issue by the issue by the the issue of the we're using to doleaseous, this, this, this, this, so, so, so, we're,

we can't give us to make sure that we're using, that this, this is that we're not we've been playing, and so, so,

all, that, that, that's inguesengan casempatan, if now, the sengues, And automatically,

when they're automatic, there's got to be able to beaccom, they're also, then they can be able to make class, mas, can make menacing the education, or the othergaining,

that's, that's the opportunity, the generation of the next. So, that's, I mean, I'm in order for us, so that we're looking, if we're looking to allure

village Indonesia, the word of, the words, the sound of, music, swara, and, with characteristics that they've been

making. So, if that's that's actually, that's kind of must be similar with pencithan lapang of

if you're if they're, and market we can't, I mean the government that, I'm going to make up, I'm sure, I'm going to make sure, mas, because we've never been trying to. So, if a country other can't do, why we're not?

Vietnam is, it's, maybe, if we're in our, maybe if we're in our, for the JANNANN, maybe it's a lot of the bigot, there's about it. But in Vietnam, they've gotak, for FDI, in sector pertanian, 100% have export. Clear, ma'amas. There's a lot of work.

Edith, not mangangue market that's in-milkne. And the milk-kechek-kechil-kid-dadi. So, if that's done, can't, the point is ketegasant. I'm sure if business, it's, It's right. If you can't the right,

if we're going to the right, we're going to be able to the right. So, so, maybe um, but I'm sure, and it's been to be hitung, we can't.

We can't, inshawlo, that it's, that can, there, uh, peninkat can't resettraan

that's significant. Mugin, maybe, the time, even last time, yeah, because, because,

That's right? But anti-terhadap because if we're just like, you've got to use to make a concept that's so. So, that, we're hereof to the front, like that. Good, thank you,

thank you, thank you very. Thank you, my. Thank you. Teman, that's Henry Saperini, founder of KOR. Thank you. This is, N, G.