Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Hilmar Farid: Apakah Catatan Sejarah Kita Elitis?

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

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through the methodology of the same, the end of the end of being we're in front. Hello, Hello, people, we're coming Hilmar Farid, as a large-Diergen, Kewadhaan. Mr.

Mr. Thank you, thank you, about it. I'm going to talk about the little about the mass of

Ms. Hilmar. What, what, you know, mottuk you. When,

Ketka-System in Ruma-Tang-a- or in the other roomathe, and how much of the human rights, like this? Silakant. I'm born in German. So,

in one city that's the name's Doughtenhof. And this isa that day, and I've got back to that. The other, people, the number of times a little. So, you know, We've got to-one-German in the land-tuncununate

and then-tentoo and get a lot of times as a lot of Asia that'sia that's so that's so much, it's been there, then

he'd live in one community that who's even who's different that's, So we are the other, that'sharata. And that's quite because it's quite a lot of the matter, yeah, about us, about it's not, yeah, perbeda-and, and how, the kibusa-a-dus-a-dus-a-dus-a-dus-a-dus, and

that's different than what-a-rubbered, and it's-cubbush, I think, with one and thencund, when a lot of the other, with the other, so that's a good thing. So, that's the gambarant ecosystem

in the world. And, in the, when in school, we're just one-sathing a-sac-a-olding, who are people-Asia, and, and,

and, because of the guru, from the other than you, from the other thanac, because this, the other, the, the,

the, the, we're, we're in language, so, so, from the

not, not too much much much more people, yeah, they're not know,

and if if you're from Indonesia, if we're usually, we've brought back,

that's, that's, it, it's, it, it, So, so much-it-it-it-like, like, what-n-naman-law, that's-a-per-be-be-a-old.

Now, just we did-didig, especially, I'm-bush-na, the mother-sha-old, if I was a-sik-up-soil it. He'll always say, no, no-per-n't-a-n-malue, you know, you know, not-per-malue, if you're-bred-a-old, because you, because you know,

in-d-a-old. And that's, that's every person, that's about, that's about, yeah, for mebranical, you know, to beaunticant even though, I'm afraid, if you're more than, you're big, greg, if it's bullied with the kids'an, it's great, but, that's beckle that we've got to beawe. And, all the other, I think, penting, um,

mongumicacation, per beda-an it. Yeah, we have to make people to, that's, you know, about the abysa-and-a-and-behaping. Sessedrana, that's a lot of the most of the food, they're not evening in the same, so if they're making nassi

and the other people in their hard on the sleeves, not ever ragged, I'm not ever ragged, what's this, what kind of what's this, so on this, so we're just,

we're always, like, to be able to do you, to be able to give us, to them, and that, and that's, I think,

to beawe, It's like that's like that. So, because of course, you know, communication what you do you're doing, it's probably, is the same thing

with the same. Because, that, we've in the time of the time of the gagalance

the big, so, so, so, to play, in a lot number, the, what, name,

we know, the playanation we can't, but, but, when we've gotagascarad of communication the bad news, it's the other than we're saying.

Hal the third, if I'm going to reflexy, uh, agotat, yeah, so it's justin'ing, because, you know,

that's not going to be default, because, uh, because, uh, under, I'm not detrimed, yeah,

two, four, two, five, that, uh, crisis economy's, like heabed really, gas abatea,

so much, so much so much sociality, also, not ramah, but we, yeah, we have to live, yeah, we have always, we're still,

and we're urban lower, middle class, so, not people with a lot of facilities, so,

so, it's in the, what, what, um, the abutant resources

that there that's there, and, yeah, and, yeah, and, uh, also, uh,

also, so, , I'm a bit more but yeah. but yeah. she's about, yeah.

So, this is like, she's like one-55-m-lick, but if if there's there not be-bress, that,

he's, he, the other man-a-a-a-a-or-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- can make up-a-a-a-a-could, like, said, "'Well, this, "'I'm, yeah.' "'So, yeah, "'as,'

"'I'm not-bred-a-a-oh, to be back. And that's like, we're just like, but that's kind of but it's what I'mbecast that's,

that's, that's, you know, you know, you can't have been that, but the, but,

but, um, but, but, you're more more thanality, he used in radio,

D'Otewelle, yeah, so, more of an intellectual type, that, yeah, yeah,

and, so, yeah, we're, We're so long as well-you-a-a-a-a-a-trimology, yeah, can't be-eranan from-a-salt-you-as-all-as-as-all, because not-a-da-in-a-all-reality-out. And, yeah, all-hall-sepike-all-all-per-rererererererererererererereus.

Yeah, so, it's just to-be-releleas, yeah. So, maybe, you know, maybe a lot of reason, because, yeah, maybe, you know, because I'm not-a-loc-reusan-rererererererererererererererean, yeah, because, because, Because maybe because of the last semester, the most promising career, that's also one of the same one of the same thing,

I think, hasil, yeah, from the people'stow. I mean, I'm looking, justro, something that's something that's very to the to the upon to look at the people people who are you guys that's not yet yet but you're not

but you're in German German is known as a place that can't be able to mechanistic methodical you know you can't you not get

it's stifle creativity you because as historian, as a goodaywant, that's thing, in the bestisic, yeah, down batas

intuition, this mustinia, oh, adieu, kaya so, and, and I'm going to be rotac,

ingin, be creasy. That's not not, there's just there, yeah. Many of people say,

I'm, I'm, so, so, so, like, what um, um, uh,

uh, uh, but, um, the sissy I think justro, it's true

it was be combinacy, yeah. Uh, and, yeah, this, there's,

there's there, I, yeah, I, in German, then come back

to Indonesia, yeah, yeah, we, we're, we're, we're, um,

It's really, in the Jatteenegra. In one back strut. And this is really bened if all all right,

and all right, this is the complete opposite. And we're going to get in the middle of it too, like, oh, this, what, what, yeah,

how to handle this? Giacabradin, I, I'm three, Kaka, Rada, I'm the, I'm the same, I'm the same, I'm the same, and,

and, And, that's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's like, you know, that's like that's if there's a lot of people, and like that's all right now, that's going to do you know, it's going to do you, that's on a daily basis, that has to be, negotiation, that, and that's that's the impact that'sarer. So, although I'm still upon, you know, that's the same thing, you know, that's the product of negotiation,

that's always menorush, and that's, and that's, um, it's made it more open, that, then, yeah, um, um, there'd, yeah, uh, and the rail, detour, de-tour, and all the same, yeah.

Yeah, while upon personal, I think, yeah, maybe camp methodicly more than more than the same thingful, creative, and so forthnessy. If you're, you know, the culture of Indonesia, you know, look at it how? Um,

now, to black and to the front. I was in one I'm in Tionk, and Tijuana now, I'm bethaped to beck new-lurek to beck, after 5,000 years

they're as a a biger, and that discussion's interesting because we're so if we're so if Tionk like that,

Indonesia is what and if and if if you'reathing our our own, we have we have been a lot of but we have been a different. But, but it's

kind of different. So, and it's the thing about the culturean also very bigot. There's a reason, there, there, a hubbunan

between the geography, we're that we're going to be a thousand hundred sucu-banksa with about six-housan bahasa, so

yeah. So, diversity is, bet, bet, too, too, too, can't be because the

the that's up to umannocked from Indonesia the way to the complexity that and that I think quality of cultural

we can't be able to be able to we're being it same if if we're just if we're coming to Bandahton with it and then

it's justurroo and then it and then can permissue in barhasa be better better but but this

this is betuln't if it'sraqatak the end upheaval it's just like to beaithing, it's powerful, so I feel like to be a good idea, not be able to

pariahan, caragamand we're getting better and sootus'n but justrued to be able to laus the this, which, I'm not sure.

Oh, yeah, this is perbaninging in the, I was like to Germany, that's, if, if, If you're like in... and this is very many times,

in the forum international, and people say that people to say that if you're making alami in Indonesia, it's already long buber, it's, with, what, the diversity that's extreme, yeah.

So, so, now, we're actually, we're in one the same because I'm sure because of the world because of globalization

and the rest of course that makes up we're in a lot of significant and plen belal the model dasar we're tally, the ability, to manage complexity, pemahamand

management and so forthinusiness and so that's also pudder, that and this is, And, yeah, this is the truth of myruths I'm going to do you. Because we're going to be able, that we're going to use. We want to use, right now, or, to make a challenge that line and,

and the best of the moment it will beckor from the perkemangan, not in the capital, so this is the choice of the policy, yeah, I think, what I'm what I'm, can't make, yeah, Indonesia to the other than this. I think that's often if you're not to doodoo by people from Europe or from America that,

that's the kind of toleration that's in Indonesia or even if I'maerate, that's a tegare, it's a bitulant or coincidence. This is a whole that we've put up. for a few,000 years. And I'm ready to hypothesis that we're just more better with people Europal

to more alpha. They're just a lot more than we're more, yeah, not peru zero sum. What's the main, we don't gontok-gontok-can. And this, in empiric, can be part-gown-javant with the number of

of 2, while 2, based on 2, based on the other than opinion that's about ethnicities, race,

or other not more than 10, you know, and in Europe, 190, million, for period

that's the same, even, between the two, that's, that's, that's, the other just a lot of,

but, but I'm looking this, this is, this isuer, or, the kind of the but that's kind of

kind of the too, how much more than we're able morecule the culture principle. If you're

related with kind of with the same other than. That's being embedded that. Now, the way we can't

make sure how we can't make-budayaka to make sure our people to be much to be more more than

and shuckers-sacus-sacarach or men-lis ulterior that, I'm sorry, I'm-ma-ma-f, the writing-as-laping this is a lot-est because it's called people from outside Indonesia. There's a lot of, yeah, right? And, if I'm-pac-pun-you-sac-sac-er-a-degarer,

he's more than he's more than what I'm more. I thought of the story. So, I think, why, also, sechara is, like,

the power, yeah, so, so, but the book, book, but, I'm,

it's, I'm going to be able to, yeah, when SMA, not sure, yeah, the

because of the other than but because of the because of the room at the time, in the same, because of the same, men who are not long as long as long as long as long as the question of this case law, but we're not beaccharacter only on the matter of as far exclusive, but it's put a question of it, but it's a questioner.

And that's what does matter? What is it? What is matter? What is it? So, it's the sort of collective, like we're, we have, problem that, you know,

to find what, is, we're, we have, symptoms, about mara, so on this, about,

uh, ramay, so all that, but what, but what, see, the, actually,

that, that, in fact that, a lot of the matter of that's not, I'm going to be a direct when they're going to get into the conversation

that. And this maybe forum forum that I think need more more, so yeah so, so, so, that's

being able to bejacked on histories, then medallami. I'm, I'm, I'm sorry in universities, that's notary after the way of the formality

there's been a lot. So, yeah. So, yeah, we've got to be in front of many questions, I'm saying I'm notary, that's how to think that's the perkenalking

melancholy the methodology and the rest of it, it's, the ending, it's, it's, to give us, to give us. So, yeah. So, yeah.

So, so. So. So. what's something. So, like curiosity is to from it. What's what makes it be able to? So, so that when I'm going to beaithbatten

and the public discourse, we're also embawing information that. That's not not only because what, what, the other, but there's something that's far as well

and in, in case, there's certain, even, there's, even, there can't be able to , that's not, that's, that's, you, to make,

make sure, So that's actually So that's like I'm going to be a good if I'm going to if you're going to to bring back in the

history, and sometimes we're going to we're going to know, there's people, people, they're all right

people, I'm not just in it, because, because of the public-in- -te-indlegged to start to make sure about,

about the things, and to give mehospative stories to do with that. With that, they're going to be able. I'm sure, I'm going to. Because if you look, the partying the clangangooned,

this, I'm going to be able to be able to beutcheon, and stuff, there's, there, there's, there's, so, now, this, minate barue, yeah, so, yeah, so, and, yeah,

the other, what, what's here? And, partangam, pertainant is better than academic history, like, if you're, always penguins this, because of the effect, if they're, and menacchuk,

sootulner, I'm impressed, I've ever got one comment, that I'm going to go to be able to, but I'm back, yeah, bangunia,

I'm going to, I'm thinking, people, 75,000, 75, up, 8, 25. So, So if that'susiness, the person that's the

people who's ever to make sure you. People who are done without being in the beginning. Continuity this is a historical question. It's very relevant for

we're here. We're going to design something to be the different and sootusen that, we'll be able to beampoing the peradal of our our own

jobat, even in the way of the way of the physical, yeah. And how much how much commitment to make sure that project that's not ever we'll see it that's the last thing

that's now, yeah, for work in the other in Indonesia, with many of projects that we have with

this is very crucial, we need we need to from where it's coming energy, commitment, of the

from the same-dh from where they're from the buddha, if you're in the context Buddha is enough to make sure to make sure, there's something

more than that. So all these historical questions that are that's one observation that is very simple not simple.

Not something that's something that's a scientific, but matters. What is? What is? Lendra, or dynasty Shalendra,

that's after after 825, I'm gone. Abrupts and, yeah, in hindsight, we're here, in hindsight, we're harop, it's,

semestiness, there's evolution or regeneration or successi, And, in other than and other than that's like that. And that's like that

it's not to jurang and then we're not never again. Now, that maybe one of the that's that we're not

too much documentation. Yeah, can? I'm looking many so there's been there, that he can

move because he can't parapservation and the power of course innovation. Because there's a interbuckaum or

to medu or medu two things. It's only can't be able to docomentation. Yeah, Tionk, can't be able to

colongan, like, the world over the world for 100 years, because maybe he, not

do documentation to add up wisdom or know-how that they're very careful. But they're about 20. And now,

because of the revisionism that's the krevisoanism that's the good-depaned-up that's true to be a pre-existing international-based order. Now, this is how about it,

the abat-ne? So, because, because, I'm going to back to observation we've had the because of the other than under the time of the help of their

and they're up to community. And they're communicating kental with kinkinian, one of the other, but they're not to look to the

history that ...apeuticembourg 109 million people that before we're I'm looking that we can't, we can't even more than we're just a lot of

we're getting more than to get back to make crankak corridor of our our life, and this this is terminifestation

in divergency that biggently between And opinion public ubiquitously, all the world. Not in the country majeu, the country be able to beckoning, the gaping more than

far. Yeah, because maybe policy that's been piquitous, but if public opinion, it's been pangubleauly on content that's that's only in 30-a-minute. Now, this, how much the way, to buddhajaka

to get-upant, to more than, not amnesia historic. If I'm... Cata-Gunci, that I'll-ul-long, is, relevancy, yeah. So, when they're not

not looking it as something like relevant, that, So, that's the endangued and even though even though, that's beenolacan, you know, yeah, georgas and stuff,

can actually, penolacan to be unlawful. And, it's been able to get to make, yeah, when we're things that we're going to be important and all kinds of

much, not be able to answer the problem yeah, social economy, many, different, dimension of the the

so he'll bea I think it's a good, if we're getting around there's a millennial with Gensett, now, yeah. Issues that they're

aggapenting, that's, climate. Dullum, maybe a belintir scientists, with environmental activist,

who, who, who wholeheartedly, but, but, but, but, And I'm genuinely, they're genuinely. They're quiteir too, but but

but when it's quateration in the class and all the same, can he not got up response, he got to get usurpany. He got got from where, but in the same milieu of the same, that's the that's, yeah, that's the issue

this, for then again also, let's call upon the the wrong, it to doorking, to do you, that public intellectuals, I think, I think, also, you know, to, you know, to, puttion, to puttap.

Tohap-as-a-oh-oh, so-all-soil this, yeah, from different different of different disciplines, but contribute, that's about the understanding that's-dunked-in-n-pub-in-n-n- because,

because, but not the same-it-as-as-a-old what-noburned they're-you-law yeah they can't

come-sue and-ane-an-e-d-you- and that I think a-cun-cunci that. The other that we talked

we talked about Solendra and the and the the documentation this, this is there It's the kind of the kind of the kind of the

to make sure because he's kind of kind of didruscan to get ridgreens not always in a formiliar with we're, and that I'm, and that I'm, I'm going, especially in the area, that's the same in the Kowasan Timur, tradition menulis,

Akshara, not there, so Soingingottenget, from the generation to generation is in the world, visual, decoration, and sootureus'n. There's that, the story of the technology and, and soothed to be, de-expressinging.

I, I, manusia abet 211, too, too, too, literate, that must beck, that we're not put, that, the world of, how much,

you know, and how much, that's, that they're designed, too, that's, what, what,

what, what, so, so, so, so, if, about,

people, people, people, that, so, yeah, just, because,

we, we, And what's the day is the day is the main thing. We're not the key to the first of the tuggedy, it's the best of the basis. The same thing is what, because if it was used, because if it was preserved.

Yeah, documentation with good. Yeah, sometimes making pamera and so that's about it. I said, I said, I don't know. This really, it's been able to be many, if you know, if you know, if you know, if it's about, the way of the way of the world, it's abundance, like, uh,

pengotuantuan on the genetic resources. That's one area that I think, in the, in-drablem, it's in-quate, too, when they're going to go to the supermarket, they're going to come to the supermarket, they're like, they're going to, you know,

and, like, practically, they said, For the two generations, I'm all right. I'm not all right, this ish. Wow, this is. It's a little bit of society our, but generation we're putous, and that's, I think,

one of the task, documentation with very, and the amalming it, and the most important, to integrate it to the day. And that's, And the shard in here,

I think that's part of the word of with science and technology he can't stand alone. He never been melancholy a lot. But, but for he, then, be contributed to the mass of the time that complex this, he needs, he needs,

science and technology. Now, this, investment that mustiness we're doing, yeah, And if I'd like, if I'd like, that's like that's, then we'd like to, aghagent, yeah, get back to, get back,

yeah, expressions, expression buddia, that, how gettericant that can't be munchol, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, if they can't answer so on, soal, yeah, uh, yeah, uh,

so, so, yeah, I think, uh, uh, we're, we're,

we're, and, Yeah, that's true. To be able to be able to be able to... I'm not a glissar. If you're looking at data, yeah, that's about, you know, if I'm as well,

yeah, if I'm in a class, I'm going to ask, I'm going to make a book in one week's last, that from 50 people, maybe who's one. Baca book in one the last year,

maybe three or five. Baca Bucco, in six months last, yeah, maybe 10. Now, if we can't beaicum, wealthycouldaic, sulid for wemudayakan buddhaelis, soil it's for we're notucentatikin.

Yeah, like, we're to get aeraheerogin. He'd make tenun like, while cummour, while what can. But, riskosy regenerations, how muchis-susiness

similar also with pengotawing on flora and fauna genetic resources and all the, if you're that if it's not documentation, it's how can be hibhacken to generaes

and that's process that, if I'm the process that, I think, to make upythea buddaya. If you know, if you know, if it's not just because ofoccurant D'Auroportation, that's not a lot of

and history, that's mutluck. But risko terjadiness misinterpretation to have buddhaia and history, it's also if there. If there's not there documentation that not be partanguroped right. Yeah, right? Now, this if I look at the young people,

He's in a book in the purportaqa people to the same up to social 32 to 33% topic of the human 32% to the topic of economy which stem related is 0.5% Now, now we're a great thing to make uprofencitation to propensitization,

so that's we can, so that's making, so if we can't getterication their best, to stem, how much,

it's not, if I'm going to, if I look, productivity marginal our that, it's only $25,000 per-of-a-one

for-to-barrang-d-gast. Negara, like, Singapore, is at $200,000, $200,000, Korea, $1,000. dollar. Now, now

I'm cut Korea, Korea Southan. Korea Southan, it's population just 50-a-juta. We're 20-80-juta, but not know how the people, if I don't know my own record,

like, yeah, can't. If you're not not-nought-btsk, Gleas, now how they can't make-projection buddye. But if I'm talking about with people, Korea, aggatatist, in the artis, in art-werectuptupe,

because of the same-sum, LG, and other, like. And, there's a disrupts software, because there's Twitter, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube,

and everything, pipa to dissemination information and idea. Tentuptuety, three, is democracy. Korea-Selatant, is democracy

robust. So they can be just to be democratization information and idea. Three attributes to be ablehue that's the success of the projection to the world. To all the world,

only based on population 50 million. Yeah, Indonesia, I guess, diversitess is more more than more than they're more than we're they're almost homogeneous yeah we're trying the recipe of what

we're making endangutkan dunya yeah yeah yeah that we can't how much more yeah we're yeah we're

we're at this we're just we're just um we're trying that's because it's too long as much more than in Indonesia then we can't become goodaughan the other than sootally. So, so on.

And, if, if, other than Korea, that's, I'm going to be a lot of for Korea, for us,

for us, for this, but, but, but, but, the, that's the fact that's

because of the Uphakotan the way that's the same. This is that we'll be able back back back back back saying we're going to beinah, we're not economy creative and sootusiness At the tingot, we can't We can't be able to beacacques,

but it's still deconsolidation So, yeah, so even better, it's been made sure, because, the initiative is good from,

our friends, we know, yeah, they're in Locarno Film Festival, they're here in Busan, and so forth. Individual talent

we're, we're just barred, and just enough, back, yeah, is now, even more than 6% market domestic

the film Indonesia. So, the bagian it's actually we have been money, but for he then,

then, then, to be a kind of, it's puttackan, to make, to a market, let's call-

that, global, this PR's being much because, because, because, there,

in the company, there's there's a hula, there's if we're being hulu-hili-n, this, Hulu, this, usually, the work in Dekboud, in the place we're creation, and all kinds of pincitain, like,-luck-n't-luck-nobok,

the point-nia, because it's in-niquet, because, making hilers, this, kind of, economy creative, palisata, and, and so-nusen. Allir-in-in-in-in-pac, because, because, team-compac, mentry-in-n-s, good, but, but, but we can't, but we can't, but we're

doing, this is still really, sorry, this is still even there's never, this is really, yeah, this is, because people are people who are there, and they're, what, name, yeah, uh, key, uh, key-hingenance to work-same, so, he can't, they can't be able to

the level of now, to me, to support, yeah. But, we, we're sure, yeah, this is, it's, it's, and, yeah, and, sure, to make upholidation of one. Keakhineland is the U. Korea is saddered, but in 2008, they've got to be able, only underlusts industry manufactured

and sootile and sootten, we need to do so much, and subpoenaed. And if we're partying the history, you've got to robes in, that's just to build up, government. But, the baguagion this, they're just on,

this, this is, that I'm as much as much as much more than we're going to beck, that'shuryatismuchinging is bergeser, orientation this is like melemah, or muck, but not as well as it, so for me that's still being PR,

and if per bandingan of Korea, in jankyangue, that's what I always say, with them, them, they're, exactly, homogenous. I see, I'm already, there's in Korea because of the

homogeneity yeah. Sedakan we have the othergenitianity because heterogeneity diversity yeah just how much

it's even one of one one of the shortcut I'm not too care about content I'm more I'm more

I'm more storyteller we're we're not storyteller yeah right can be Ibarat-cata, I'ma

people in Washington, in London, Beijing, Tokyo, Kanbera, if you want to ask me on the Asia-Tengara, that's Dubez-Singapura. Because there predispositions because there's predispositions, that's the language,

the people areciras, that's a presumption and predisposition. Not-dimponged, Dubez Laos. Dubes-Bunay, Dubez, Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia. What is called? Isha Tengarra, what,

is, how, how, how much, so, how much, yeah, because I don't know how how, there's predisposition that the people Singapore is a good storyteller and is an educated storyteller. Now, how much, if we create,

10, 20, storyteller. in the language in the word of the world yeah, right? This is not zero sum with the basis Indonesia with Basa, Basa, Jawa in the

in the U. in the U. but in the U.S.S.A. but if you're in a good thing, you're going to be a buddhist, in the language that's international. Very much, I agree, because, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, when we're in a. diversity that's extremely, One of one's one's the other's about how much more than what's be communicatical that, but before to level that. So, there's one issue

that big in the diversity we're, you know, managing complexity, yeah, and that if, if, if we're going to expressee, we want to endangutkan, we're doing, and soothia, and soothia this, there's, there,

there's a workerial, to curate, that, and, and then, after after we'll beaqqqqq. And, yeah,

you know, uh, what, uh, discussion can't panang, why it, and that's,

uh, daily staple I, too, that's, why, why, it's,

and, but, uh, yeah, uh, yeah, there, there,

there, there, the, that, putusususus like this, can be effective, you know,

if, If you're like, if you're going to Frankfurt Book Fair, that's one, that's one of one group of course, that's the strategy that big, strategy best for this all, kaitanedangetangetka, made made suretment our storyteller our, to be sure to be sure to make sure, um, yeah, yeah, we're going to, yeah,

yeah, we're going to be able, next Osaka World Expo, 2025, that's what, what's really, you know, we'll beawe, Right, right, right, right, right, yeah, he's, like, orchestrated, you know, that's, like, they, they, uh, they, they, uh, they, uh, they, uh, they, uh, they're, they're, they're, uh, yeah, they're, uh, can't be, uh, what, that's, uh, what name is,

it's, open for the way, but, but, the, uh, we're, yeah, we're doing, yeah, I've been doing that. And that's I'm sure that's sure. If we're making-cautant the power of Indonesia really, bethutal to puttment

to putt can't Indonesia as far as in the world international, this is a putuson and there must be done. People, Korea, too,

kaiahed with buddaya that kental with perfectionism. I always I'm how much perfectionism

yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe because confusions because this because

this because maybe the claim it's crass or what yeah but

this this is this budaya buddha that that the

the and umbuckionism yeah kind quite ubiquitously in population

in their own 50 million. How much to to beaughan perfectionism from from Roque? Or maybe

that's badai that's if we're too perfectionist maybe it is to be placid. Or so, not just,

not go- - No-buck- Yeah. I have That we're- That we're looking

if they're like belajave man-golf, belagher, belgare bladier dance-exam like Michael Jackson, belajured yeah, that perfectionism is

it, clear and and borderline sacrificial with penurbanan. If we're not, let's go ahead, because Asia-Tengara is peaceful and stable,

because the culture of pragmatism We're not like gontok, one-sat-a-lame than the same-lars and the culture of principles. Now, one-satunalsi in Asia-Tenggare is Singapore that can't both buddhaeuf, buddha pragmatism and buddha principle. Buda-princip, is how to make sure to make sense-inquent

intellect, put a lot of the table, mishat-can population, makinglead-niline-moral. Yeah, in Singapore, we think, two-two-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-old. If we're-tibed-a-poh, we're-could. If we're going to get-a-gat-a-gall-bos-n-a-tri-l.

Now, I think that's cultural. Yeah. As much as it sounds mechanistic. Recep for that I have But if I'm going to hear of it, That's interesting Maybe I'm going to get Sejarawan Okam

Yeah, this study about chachach, so how people make upentook kakwana in Jawa And he said, Basis'nisha is not but people.

Artin'n't, if if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, the person who's right, he'd be like to-a-lawful. So, yeah, so he can't hindery, yeah, and not did desac, that's like Singapore, like, in a little bit of a little bit,

that's very, so, yeah. So, for them, who, that's not perfectionism, is, is a big of them, to be able to be able to be able to be able, yeah, not even more

because we're going to get got to gontok, gontok, we're not we're not going to confrontation. That's actually, if we're in there people,

the people are in the country of course. The country, yeah, like that's the same, yeah, if you in the German,

we're not, we're in German, fatal, it. Musim-in-in- can be problem big, so, yeah, so, yeah,

so, so, so-it-it-est-n-nusin, and, so-s-s-tucing, and, but this, but it's not even if you're not can't be able to say. I'm not as I'm not asiania to the other than Indonesia to depend. And I always be thinking to look at the opat of it's what,

so we're going to, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this is public secret, that narration about Asia-Tengarra, it's very not-narrasican. Yeah, right? If we're in Europe, in America's the Uyat, they're more than the United, and the same.

No, no, the same. But, but they're just more than gaiat, dibunding on the Asia Tengarra, gawronger, gawrown on China, about Korea-Slatan, about Japan, yeah, right, which, which, which is far more small.

Asia-Tengarer, 700,000. Korea only 20,000. Japan, Japan just 100-scan-juta, apat-a-lap-a-gut. Yeah. Because they're ...and if they're to Singapore,

they're more about to Asia-Tengara, they're more about Singapore. Now, now, this, there's a mind-sett

in the world that in the world that the storyteller that's the people that's they're the

Gago-Eachap. Now, number two, two, Singapore. I think, yeah, not want, this is there

canisciation for we put a storyteller that many that can be communication one of the one of the

language. Now, I'm think, in Indonesia, maybe that can passif with English

is not more than 10 10,000. If that that's in 10th of the same 8thaglia, in Fasci, in the English, only 70 million, termassum 5.5 million in Singapore,

30 million in Malaysia, and a subagian in Philippines, if you're going to beaqed to 400 million, in context 700 million people in Asia Tengarate. Selsa, Selsa. Budaia our culture our, is it. Is it a matter of...

Indonesia, in America, backal gaug in the world. There's a reorientation. Very, and there 400 million

people who can be sure there, 100 million from Indonesia, 400 million from Asia South America, that can't be

about anything. About peteke, jenkol, ke, ke, ke kebayah, like pechy, like, gammalang, like, angloong, or what? So, so. So, barren. Now, we're always trebuck.

If we're bhaasasional, we're not nationalists. I'm aggathebreda. Smakin we can internationalization-assization, that's a tribut nationalistic. Yeah. Yeah, right? that mustiness that's the flip

so that's not keghe with what name you that's about in the basis inundia we're talking to Indonesia we're back in Indonesia yeah yeah we're back

like SUNDa Jolla or whatever but if we're we're coming perkia project of our yeah we're yeah sensible and reasonable

This is the language. It's the language that's about it. That's true, yeah, but I'm going to see a lot of example that we've got to do now, in film. In film, this, one of one of the main thing is,

the story is about not, so on technique, you know, the friends, we've got to level that okay, like, they're professional filmmakers, That's the tendanguant. Now,

when we're going to project this, the name's a film, the beginning. It's hard to. It's hard to find the story, that, yeah,

the, yeah. And one one problem besterns, because people, not want to talk.

Someone, if you want produce, yeah, the story's, you know, the story that's the, yeah,

yeah, but, but, and, in here we're here, here we're here here we're here we're here we're investment, um, tanpada began, come to work reset, we're, we're working with people from the University of Southern California, uh, they're making, uh, mentor, yeah, because with Hollywood and that, for workshop this, so, so, so, so, so we're

Every time, 10, people, too, people who's called for the people, because they're put a process, for, you know, to really, bent of the story that's solid, because we're seeing,

yeah, problem yeah, and, yeah, we can't get the alasance, yeah, when, producer, ragged, yeah, what I'm,

I'm, I'm doing this gina, if I'm not, if, but, yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, If we look at Hollywood, 500 script,

what's 4, 5, that's really, that's in production. So, so, investment, again, that I'm, that I'm going to

make sure to, that's storyteller, quality in various lines, yeah, not only the music,

you name it, in other different different kinds of bidang, and that, that's again, we're trying, we're trying,

to, facilitating, that, rather, we've got to do we're too. We've got to do you. We've got to make-end here. It's not got to look atopement in, but it's not that way to look at it. But it's not to doggia. Indonesia, not calh, if you're doing than with Korea. Indonesia can't make film like Squid Games. Bills. Bissue. Fiskeen film

like parasites. even even if you can even if you're even yeah, if you're in film man, it's like,

the same the time it's like the family or and the life, romance,

it's very universal and it can be about international with the underpaniardial and

dubbing and much much, I'm more who's looking at home to internationalisasically indonesia, d'bating music. Because if music, it's

if the lyrician in the language, it's hard to be subtitle-can, except if we're not on the TV. Now, why Korea is going to win, Oscar?

Because they, to, gangbust, the upayana. So, it's not sutradar and producer's is that's right.

But it's the backangue, there's Samsung, there Hyundai, there LG, and line, right. Even Samsung, also, even if they're too,

yeah, the peradowning to be a line in line of the line non-comilician and

all the stakeholders from there to be royokin. Now, the peran the government but but there's

not as much personal yeah, and I'm look at the Indonesia don't know if you

imagine if there film Indonesia that's coming to come to for a nomination

nomination foreign film in Academy Award or at the Oscar but if if

lobby it it that it will get people

business business business and I'm notra-a-hastra, actor, producer, and I think that's I think, now,

this is a issue that I think is important, yeah, when we look, especially Korea, and, yeah, many people, then,

jadekant to be inspiration. But I think, there's a different than, that's fundamental, that, we know,

the factoring, the, that's not, that's true, that, We've got to where? Pangan. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

that's the market that's the model that we'll gettick. But, gandeng the industry with film, yeah, with all the sector industry this,

that I think, even, even, even, I've been in the time film, that,

go to one one, I'm not so good. Cobra, It's just. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then you. And then I'm going to that's, yeah, yeah, I said, I said, yeah,

yeah, what's the what I'm saying, I'm saying, better predictable, if you

yeah, if you're going to but, this, from, the, that's a lot of information

information that that's not a lot of and that's actually story, that's about it. Because at the end up the same narrative to be able to beaum it as something that's

something that's a lot of, so. One of point that can be peteak from our conversation we are, how much more than it's the technology for the important for theopan

buddhaia because back again between the power the power of preservation and the power of innovation innovation this is there are many different

but innovation technology this only can't happen if it can't happen if investations in STEM, that's that's and I'm really in the same in Indonesia even more than what's

what's done and still do you're doing by Taiwan, Japan, Korea, South and Taiwan. And that's it's like we've got to lookusant STEM in America-S-RICAT,

in America-S-RICAT, that, the Hong Kongk can't six-rethead-Dia-2-Ebought, in the town to be. Korea Southan, 1,300, Turkey, 430, Indonesia only 82. In the time, that, we've got to be elic, and men extrapolation to the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. innovation technology, finite, there's a bit of the subatassan. Now, if it's not justicapy, it's soot for we can't to beaupon kind of projection soft power our,

but, maybe shortcut-ne with the A.I. It's more to be more to be didic the kids of

Indonesia to be storyteller in the international. Now, with technology. It's very much. It's more more much. Acceleration is already clear. If you're going to be able to be

more than the last soal. But with the advent of AI, we're still able to accelerate process to mendidique anyone to be a storyteller. In the basis international,

we'll mandarin, like Japan, like Italy, Spanish, English. But, the language English is because

80% of wisdom that's in the 80% of economic in English large language model in the language model in the language model in black

not ideology not so on I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not director the personasarance English

but if if we're we need we have to make sure we're trying We have our cultured in the way of the community international.

Yeah, and if we looked at the same, this is the way, um, the condition of the people in the world is problem big. And just I don't know if you agree, I don't know if you agree, uh, I don't know if you agree, uh, with this, that's not, because now,

technologically too, you know, and it's not to the sehariant people, soing there, what,

the name, access to have it all, it's more, it's more, the science, too,

at the level that's fundamental, very, so, but, but, people, then, can't even though,

technology this technology without the time, without it's always, too, and it's quick, and it's important, yeah, now, there's research,

about the kids, that's from, the same time, the same mind-in-neigh-n't-en-en-a-lacred-en-lawed before he blachar about it, like, like,

ur-un-lots-in-in-sac-n-cich, and, it's, it's, that, and that, that's, like, I'm going to do you. Now, we're going to tap,

this. So, yeah. So, like, like, to make integrations, that's, because, yeah, it's great to have

6,000 PhDs, like, in the, the, but, but, uh, but,

uh, to be able to, that's, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're,

but, but, uh, but, uh, situation we're not We've got tolopause. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Inovation in the level that's the fact that that we're going to be Forkut. Fork. Fork. We have program

name name's Kempah Kovud. That's what we encourage. So, so, okay, with what you with what SMK,

vocation, or whatever this, this challenge this, this, this tantangance, out of solution. It's interesting. I'm notaric, yeah. I'm not saying that it's

about it's not much, but, but, probably, this one way, yeah, that's a room, that's,

yeah, and, uh, the, uh, if, Nehru, you know,

the, uh, munch, yeah, like, have, puny- yeah,

yeah, and, yeah, and, and, and, and, like orchestrated,

with the reason, I'm going to be able to be able to. It's going to gradasy. So, where's the low-hanging fruit? Yeah. Short-term, medium-term, long-term. Long-term, maybe, yeah, $6,000, likena, yeah,

like, yeah, ag, aghap. Two-three-R-R-bucked, it's very good, same than India. Yeah, right, PhD, every time, in STEM. I'm looking

short term, we're making term we're using consumer AI. We can't enableer AI.

We're not can't be able to create AI. Because it's a scale. Scale the scale full-fus.

And for somewet we can't we can't be able a number things that can't

look, low-hanging fruits yeah. And I'm not I don't know how we're creating storyteller that's a bit more better than

more than more than we're going to be able to beaupro about, the more we're making we're appreciate and more than we're appreciates and more than we're appreciates, the more than we're

more than perkaya our own, but back again, Masilmar. is important, to we've got to weodaghate perfectionism? Penteing not

to wemooderate the way of giving prammy to innovation technology garis pereing stamp? If I'm

maybe medakatin it from the reason why he's really he needs because we want to

take class and so-taxed-it-it-it-because, because that's the next-a-law. Because of perfectionism, what-n't-a-law-law. Now, the baguania, I think, I'd like, I'm going to be able to make-gen-per-gen-per-conjism as a habit. This is a-tuntutanty, too, why? That's the question why. I must be it's been up.

I'm going to be able to be it. That's been, al-hm-hm-dulillah. Untung, not five. But, but we're going to give us, this is one of the one of the one of the

thing. We're having revitalization Mori Jambi, yeah, in Bresar, that, in Jambi. And,

We've got revitalization chagre buddaya, it's just as long as the people, so we've been even being, even even though we're doing, but we're from now making make up, you know, the local, that did you

that'd buy money in area, we're, we want to be, two years again will come with different, not people who are people who are

we're going to class. And then they're also, you know what's the same. But, yeah, yeah, that's the truth of it. But then we'll say, we're going to, yeah, usahua, yeah, ushaca we're going to be able to be because he's casian with her. And if you, you do you do, it's a recipe for a disaster. Not backal, ma'amant. I'm going to be able to say, right? So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, Yeah, yeah, we don't know who's who's going to come down again.

But, but we're just going to do it. And then, just asheromahs, beting you know what we're doing, we've got to make sure that. We've got to work with Abelianti-Hilman, Java, to, yeah, he's very much, mangali pangal local, then,

and then hand her as well as well-tas in the places-tem-tem-hieldered. Allure-hieldered-n-dhieldered-dh-d-d-habil-hurt. I'm-you-a-jack, yeah, But, but, And then, then we've got to be able to another way, and all the same, I just got, yeah,

bias, can't behinging the other, because of this, yeah, this is already, this, oh, yeah, this is a-buea, from, from, and, you know, so,

so, so, when, did, be, , uh, , or, I think we'll see what,

that's about, it's about it, this way, this is why, it's not, yeah. So, from,

let's say, we're just, you're more, more, more, because the question for

the, that, he got got to, and that, and that, I think, in,

the, the, the, the, the, the, reason, why,

how, how, to learn and something, that's a bit of I'm a bit of parabolah, yeah,

and stuff like that, yeah, what's what, see, really, do you know, I'm playing basketball too, yeah.

So, so the one-five- five-five- -draget to make, that, oh, yeah,

yeah, this this is the element of this is the from, from, from, to go to the world.

So, so much much, so, yeah. So, we can't prescribe, but, and that I'm sure, we talked about,

we're about about about about it. That's, like, you know, I'm, I'm,

I'm, more, more than curriculum. If you're really, yeah. If,

bollie two-a- yeah, if, all-d-l-l-l-l-l- But, I, I, too, I'm

Klaus 3 S&D. Guru I'ma Klaus 2 S&M. How much how they can't be able to hear by the day this I'm not

lupac omongan omonging and I know that topic that's boring really but they can

make it exciting Marik that's the power of great teachers because they can they can't, they can't bring uphack

imagine why, right? Yeah, right? Yeah. For they, to, they're in stintic with capacity be imagination. Yeah, right?

Sucur, curiculum's, yeah, with the abate 22, not 21, just. But,

but if if you're could be curation so se. I think we'll have a great future. Yeah. And I,

I'ma if I'm going to be able, if we're going to selects if we're in person TRIES, that's in a year, this is PIRIS, can't have

one-st-torn ajaran. But if we choose guru from bottom 20 percentile, he, in a year,

just can't be gashar six-bun. Yeah, we can't we can't and calculations. Yeah,

the adi-a-e-a-e- that's-posed with a-gur-mook- is that's can't, yeah, I'm pretty and this is like with the same

with many different ways that's again to be a country that's a world that more multipolar other not

unipolar, even bipolar, the more multipolar, more subalit to make making multilateralization. This paradox

from multipolaritazas. Now, if we can't doilateralization, we're more than blackitalization. If we're going to make sure melateralization, more than we're going to make, make,

Because of two people, but if I'm against 190 people I'mangle a friend my more than you than more powerful than you, more than you, more than you to bully you, so that I can't be able to win with you.

That wisdom of multilateralization, but now, it's more difficult we're making multilateralization. Lembago, lembago multilateral, can be more than themah. Yeah, that's.

They can't be able to bedanee existensy 119 Now, this I'm being to what we have I'm going to be I'm looking like

the buddaya and cabudaian this is important to be to build the banks yeah if we're sequence of

we can we can be able be so, to bebacus, about about buddha, but we're badapen. But we can't be peradapen

in a way, we can't be able to be buddaya, we can't becumunication, we can't be communication if we can't be communicates if we can't be able to becaucingation like that. And I'm looking at,

it's a golden opportunity for our to the way to beaqa our own but we're not embudayaka perfectionism we're not we're not tochutored we're using

we'reclaiming our own and don't remember our kids our we know we're not in abate

the abate kandah when chandah or dynasty shalendra I'm to be runy taroan. Wartuant, that's the time that's

chalendra, dynasty Shalendra, dynasty Tang, and dynasty Abbasid in the abat the 8. Before it, after that,

but, but we're, we're one of the peradaband that sophistication can be able to be able to, agga,

slarras. Yeah. technology, if we have jambi, it's batu-bata, yeah. They're not-punia-adad-a-ad-a, so it's bata-a-coulde about the 7th.

So, 1,400-year-lars the batae that was utah. And that's like a sumer of keranan, because, we have had to-cang-tuk-tuk-cang,

too, they're not too much-in-a-cats-a-old-a-old-old-old. So, I said, I'm more than bata is 1,400 and still is still this is ironician, and that's ironician,

sometimes if we're in the part of the two that's there, we're using with Bata baru, right? Bata baru, 20 years.

Abus to, they must be replaced, that. In Bicara peradaban it that, yeah, well,

that, yeah, refinement, then, perfection, and, and, is the radaband that's about the radiance

and that's one of the slant structurality is we're not undocumentedation our bijectioning it. Yeah, right? If you're from 1,000 years we've got to make bathe and can be able to be able to be able to be able to be,

then there's just. Or there's a. Or there's a. Or there's a record in iPhone? Yeah, right? You know, don't know, the carer here like this. the air iskut.

that's not that's not even. that's the law. Why China can't be colonging? Why we can't becholonging? But China has sadder. We're in the world barat because we don't

documentatisical for 100, 200 years. Now, this, this is maybe moment for we're making inflexi to the front. But I'm looking

in fact that structural, like the roomatah, culture, buddhae in the culture, it's probably need to be cached ulang.

For we can abuahed more holistic and more more than more than the way, if you're going,

I'm, I'm, I'm, with the juror of storytelling we're in Singapore, because I'm

PhD in Singapore, so, like, like, I'm going to be able Singapore, and

that's the same of the concept of the engineer to be a lot of certain to, it's quite, you know. Yeah, to putulant, I was living, apartment, to, the, down the S.D., that, that's...

And, yeah, it's... it, it's... ...theircite, that, yeah, from... ...theircuitive, and then, all the guillat and... Competitive. Oh, do, that's... ...loor-bias.

And it's... ...d... Likwyu Yeah, yeah, and he'stickan you know geturunan Malu, Tamil, Hokkien, Tiu,

whatever, you make, same, same, you pullang, Tamil, Malayu, Chiu, Hokkien, but if you're school, you're going to be in English.

And you, if you're, if you're going to be able Toffel, S.A.T. and all the score you have to be this. So, you can't be able to

be able to bridge, Princeton, Caltech, and mine, line. Yeah, so,

so, he, it's, but he's, but yeah, and it's, and, and

and modaicumatian the way that's the visioningia this, from Lee Kwanju, it's, that I'm going to say that's going to be like policy

it, it's, it's it, it's, it's to be Singapore being in a Singaporean, what's the thing up to be similar much, that's gap's a lot of value

in the value in the umpiccarry of what, in the room that's something that's the same same thing. So I think a, uh,

a, uh, school, roomatanga, policy that's more, that, yeah, this,

this, and, and, maybe, uh, and, we're, that's,

dynamic, masheracacacan, it, it's, it, if, just, the time, sootten. So, like, like,

making direction and sootership. Penerimaan, in the bottom of it, I think, menangop more many, guliat, that's in the back, that's, yeah.

But, to do you know, we'll make aftly, yeah, to rumbuskan with, something solid, that's-buny-buny-bush,

but, ingredients, yeah, bah-an-ne, it must be from sub-sus-n- that's not we're not, sorry, but we'll again, we're going to run again

again, I'm going to run again, I'm going to look again. Content their is quite quite but problem yeah not disallurcan yeah, right? Now, this we're

we're trebucked with era which where the world, has been begot and got got into content content that, the kakangang, Now,

our Gaijahua, you know, you know, that's, that's, is the way public intellectual to

impipaqqqq content's so that can be mass produce, the mass disseminate. And that, if,

if it's done by more people public intellectuals, I think gap to be able to yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, right, this impetus, policy, public opinion, it's divergent, in the whole world in the country, in the country

be able to beckhbanks, and it's because that this is on TikTok, that's not going to becha journal. Not yet. Not yamong, but if, if, if, channel, content, content their, with media media

that more nimbong with mass, there, there hope to be able to beaught-and-a-and-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-cac-a-a-cac-a-a-tah-a-tall-a-a-tah-tall. Right-tah, but-a-cad-tall. But-cad-cad-cad-cad-cad-cad-cad. Yeah. Sometimes, kind-cunding, we're-cett-old.

Yeah. There's-tttall. And condescending. Yeah, not dismissive-ed-old. Yeah. But, but-sssand-sending. but really ishaping. this ishastarding.

This is the about it. This is the antidote. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think it's probably the level this too, I think that in the

there, there was a Arab-ter-pilied in the Philippines that. Yep. It's also that,

kind, the, the, the, the, the, the, movie-star, and so-st-tut-st-st-tut-old.

and soot, and set up, and soot, do you know, menang. Then I'm going to be around. I mean, what I mean, it's going to be like, reflection, yeah, we're going to be. Not the society that we're going to be. We're going to be. Because of the bentook that we see at the permukaan,

and so forthnessy, and, soothness. Dugan I, there's something too, underlying that's more down. Absolutely. of the other, Mm-hmm, absolutely. Tremarking, and sootnessy. So, this is the sameongue,

this is the same thing that you're going to beaumina economy. One, inequality of wealth. Mm-hmm. Yeah. ...smoking. Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, mm-hmm. So, so much bigger.

So, the gaji CEO, the banding gaji the bottom of the bottom of, Dulles, Now, now, now that's about thousands of people, evenquality of wealth, income. And the equality of opportunities. Now, the fourth,

centripetality of economic development. So it's the economy is the kind of, musty-sendrifugal. So, from the first of the quarter-primilar, he has to bea-counter, kota-cota-cotta regional. But just to, It's more centralistic.

Cota secundar and the more capital growths, the more deceleration, and the quota primary, the more accelerations. So, this is the way that's purification, percapable, at least. And polarization perchapan, which is the vergency,

and policy with public opinion. So, that's it. Post, true, and they've had beenbeamang biak in the situation like that. to the game yeah, yeah, endgame's the goodyatian

if I'm saying if I'm saying I'm going to say I'm going to say, I'm going to say, you know, in the job. It's a great job. And, and I'm not sure

it's quite, but I'm but I'm seeing the most realistic maybe it's making we'll do, and we're try and the design of the medullaing that's puttacist, miscar,

from what we're talking, that's set, we've got to that's great, you know, this, museum, the, museum,

uh, popustakaan, we have ribuant, we have, um, places, places, tru-and-budia,

and the rest of course. The sumlhaned, yeah. So, this is the same way tolaughty sporadis by the same thing, the area, museum, all the area, museum, all the area, then,

it's been backer with, the conditions that's very variances, that quality. The impangible, that we talked, it's also, out-biasa, it's a huge archive, that's, the huge archive, that's been well-in-lawed

well-lawed-lawed and this also, this is the time, you know, and I'm trying to matter that

and I'm, and I'm think, this is, this is the really, for me, this is a

crucial, the time and then- the same must be-bought, that's- not-gad- -modd-a-

kind of to be-gack-a- people-to- to we've been to the depot. if we're in the support, because of the same-as-hapot-gand-usaha to beul-lola this. Tamp-it-it-n't-a-gallan.

If, if, if, if, if, if, bea-law-can-re-law-lunut. Cantor-n't-n't-a-tut-a-cuh-tut-hru-cure-cuh, and then, and then-le-he-rej-carra-can. But, the level-leveled it. He's if we've got to elevate, we've got to discusses, combination of the power of diversation, warisand buddha and sooture.

Yeah, I'm going to be like a semacemus, I'd be like mechance of direction, and set up a lot of the same, get turned to be itchung by science and technology as engine, he'll belajure. And that's PR-Besar, yeah. I think that's I'merluck,

not only the same the people, but also commitment that's over the time from a person and in this I think we're

to come back to people who are who are being who's being that's being made to see that and he was

75 years and been able to continue to There's a generation that's about this. This is a quality of life. It's great. To be able to beceran-can-sysi-besan.

But, ma'amination and visi like it's not going to happen if there no other buddaya perfectionism. Mm-mm. That's it. Pyramid. Yeah.

It's been built by optimists, not pessimist. Yeah. Boro-budur. mischay by optimist and pessimism and optimism

not want to be able with sense of perfectionism yeah yeah yeah that I'm backangang down in 75 years jatow bangunner

oh yeah corbarned yeah but but he bullet But, boss, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, either crazy, or just damn perfectionist. Yeah, that's, if we're at least, that's right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, like we're looking at Angkor Wat, la.

That's it's kind of architecture, secerator, seceritectur, in engineering, in social, as far as much, that's like that, like that's true. If you're coming from, you know,

the same thing. It's all right. Yeah, there's a lot of the air, right, did make it. From the suna-nail,

they've been piped, canal, then they're going to up to get a gratis and all right. But, back again, Abathe,

I'metawain, I'm in a bit of course Tung, Abbasid, and Shalendra. And if people, we know that we're

one of three that great and don't remember, Europe, the world, I'm dark.

Delap for a thousand years, from 47, from 4,76, to 1553. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yes, from the Uyathe, to the Uynauptu-S. for the same up to 1553, yeah, it's only mubhanked that's been brought upasit, at Tang, and at Sini. Yeah, Sri Wijaya, Shangendra.

And, don't remember, first, scholars, scholars buddha from China if want to know Landa, in Bihar, in India, that has to beware time, bang. Orientation, too. That'shahsha'u'u.

That'shah, that... I'm not to buyang. If I'm sure if I'm... I think, I'd do, I'd live to be able to be able to-up to-a-bed-kut-de-8. Because Indonesia, you know, can't be able to... Like, Tioncok.

Like, America. Yeah, can? Maybe, yeah, Maybe, yeah, maybe, or the sameagionism, or the work to the era,

yeah. Sejara, is full with inspiration, that's the same that, and I think, can be able to

behubunked with something relevant with now. Missalya, yeah, that I said, like,

people, people try, and he's a, and he's going to work, and, we know,

usia, of usah, our, we, usually, but quite quite quite pendent. Now, information about like Muaru Jambi,

that's, the same, it's in the banking, bribed, kitherto, bertan, about the 13th, 1,000. And if we did,

reflection, Salendra, in that was born dynastinasi, the age of 600 years, macae, more, more,

more, more, more, more, more, more, more, durability is, that's right-bishop.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, that's true. That's about, if you're doing, that's about, because we're trying to negotiate and then-norsuasion in this with permaculuman,

yeah, umpurned, you know, umpurned, but if, if, if, if, it, it's, designed with better, you, you know, you can't be able to be able to be usia you, a creation,

I'm going to be a little hypothesis, but maybe speculation. Peradabance whatever, that's more durable,

that is a peradaband that more can make sure. I think that. Common denominator. So,

the world landaugh, or to pleset, that's everyone that's, that's, that's, the abac, or,

so. It's, the thing, for the people who more than the more than the people who are the democratization, idea. That's who you can't make uphue between

the power of innovation and the power of preservation. Yeah, the true of it, I think ofuncy. Yeah, and, yeah, yeah, it's a lot again again, yeah, when he's gottutup, ah, more than their own, you know,

it's going to mellamah, mereduct, matapit, like that. There's a lot of people. Senang so I'm going to be able to, because I, I know, sometimes, if I'm asic like this,

this, I'm going to buyangin, that, oh, do you know, that's been back to practical daily urusan the organization. Lurusan bureaucracy, of the work, and everything,

and stuff around, and so much but thank you. But thank you very consolation I've been in again again, I know that, yeah. Thank you very. Same, same, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,

thank you, thank you, thank you, my,, thank you, thank you, thank you, Thank yoular Farid, dirjan, thank you. This is an endgame.