Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Indonesia Bertanding Tak Sesuai Kelas | #Endgame ft. Sandiaga Uno (Part 3)

Episode Date: August 30, 2020

Berkeliling Indonesia dan bertemu banyak orang saat beberapa kali terlibat pentas politik, membuat Sandiaga Uno punya segudang optimisme mengenai bangsa ini di tahun 2045. Dengan arah yang dirasa sudah benar, apa siasat yang harus diambil untuk tancap gas ke level berikutnya? 

In fact, I'm going to be personalized, very localized, customized, and, yeah, niche, very small, so maybe paravisata this is more sustainable to the future. This is an endgame. Okay, Sen, I've got over with you about your, from the from the little, from, And then, then, profession you, and passion, you,

on the UKM and, much, like, COVID and, and, and, and, I'm going to talk about about now, now, yeah, kind of, I'm going to take it in 2004-5. But we can take it slow or we can take it fast, yeah. This is a little, maybe, nambung with the of your, you, right?

You're active in politics, but I know you, to what, what, what, you know, to beaugh as a transawan and negarawan. And I'm be here to be able to doxen and I'm going to beer. Now, how do you see the future of Indonesia

and all of us in Indonesia, until in 2004-5? So, 2019, I took a break. I'm about a month, a month and reflexes what's what

what's going to proection to the front of what. And I'm there's one of the one of the one of the Indonesia, because I I'm going to bea-situent visit,

1,700 titic-unjungan campaign. It's been never there's doing it that's still in modern, Indonesian, modern politics, yeah. So, I see, waddo, this, this, country, this, is very, very, and potensiness is a lot of years.

So, so, I'm sure, I'm sure that we're I'm sure that we have bright future that we're being, the, give you're given a one of the samepatchezed,

to make-bentook, and, to keep in the process, it, have one, yeah, one,

one, to the And that's we've got overroling about 2019 this end up I'm going to

with Prabah Ketemu with people I'm curious If you're going to Mawbou you, I'm going to

This, this this is this first maybe in at the endgame I'm I'm going to because

because we we've been we've been know and the relationship, that's the kind of a good-aghan, the consultant

and principal. He's principal. I was the consultant too. So, I'm not at him, general, but, but the

many of the people are many of the English. So, because he's well read. Yeah. He's well read.

Yeah, and, every time we come again, we compare, what we can So, if there's been who's about about Prabhu,

retak, and all the other much, not ever, because we love our country too much to let personal issues that, gungu, uh, the abhorunation our love our public. Now, when we're doing, singa-cirited, there's a few options, and one of the option And this I also

I think that alang-a-bye-bye-na, if some of the ideas of ideas we can also be adopted with or without us in in the government. And, and then the

conversation is going and and, there, unity government. Now, it's stability,

it's good, probably, This is before COVID, at least we can't five time, we can't build with political noise that's under and there are some agendas agendas that can push. Now, I was agate

when in 2019, the day 20 October, the President, in the pedato the inauguration speech about 2004-and-a-five and what he heard is that, yeah,

jambung with what I think about, we're number four in the world, and then from the GDP $29,000, then we

see that we're zero poverty rate, zero, unemployment, and... So, so, visy the visi to the same, you know, to me and I think, okay, like, if we're going to shift politics aside before, we're talking about one main thrust,

how we're trying to get to there, this, in 2004. Siap-a-not-not-penting, but we're just-susun and tata, and I'm going to, So I was, I was like to be in front of you. I was being in between, yeah, you're like to be inbunny,

but then you're coming out, long as long as well, I'm going to check, that we're thinking, oh, it's the same, al-a-al-lil-al-lilah. This is the thing is the same, not the way of course. So, then, politics is just one vehicle to

get to come to there. There business, there economy, there art, there, there, there, there we have sports, to get to come to 45,

we arrive there as a nation, that united, that's it, that's the vision. That's my view of my, and I think I, it's the time of us now. I, I believe, 2045 is that can indah. Apakka we can

be the number 4, zero poverty, 29,000, or that's a bit far-fetched, but we're just upbigh, I'm sure, sure, is better better. Yeah. Now, I'm going to try to push the envelope a little.

Ah, after this, if I'm peritin, complication per capita, this is more pervasive, the more than in Indonesia, but in the other, the other, the example, America, yeah, right?

But if, analysis of my, I could be wrong, but this correlations, the reason is there. Ration here, right? Ration, in America's the United, now, is it? It's really?

It's really. And in Tionk, is 49. In Indonesia, 38-39. Yeah, right? We're, al-a-lund from 41, when that to 39. Jaws, it's,

far in America, polarization of the other than, like, and, like, it's been developed from 2015-2016, in 2016, betulner. And that, if I'm going to tariff, the imporice, the possibility, or,

the possibility of best, with the ratio this. So I, it gives me hope, in the art of the other if we're focused to make sure to make the senjagan, polarization of the

talkapan, it's, more can't be kind of so that's not too kind of to get too, not too to kind of we're making centrism

or centralities, I'm going to look, we're still moderate, so we can be able to care,

carean, and solidarity, that's, that's what, so that's so it's kind of

if we can If we look at the actually it's Pareto, 80-20. So, the side of the right, extreme right, extreme left, that's maybe 10-10, or 80-the-tenth-in-tenth. Now, thisenjangan this can be issue that's very complicated if we're in a period that, actually, people who may have beenerouser.

So there's inequality, there's just injustice. So there's a good, and it's very, very manusiawi, where, when people who are doing underlaken and in perlaken, they're doing, they'll revolt. And, I'm the,

I'm, I'm, I, leaders in Indonesia, what's the other than in Jawa, run amok. Emok, we're, we're just we're saying, but that's just that's impicue, one we can do the extreme.

Now, to conductivitazes that in 80% this, is the task, the people, and then, and menentoo in the sissing the the most extreme, for them at least,

the same, the same kind of of, pola-pickir that's not the answer. So if there's a per-beadown, certainly, through democracy, through, through, democracy,

and there are institutions that we've been so, I'm going so, I'm, I'm, I'm sure, if in Indonesia, it's more having gone two election cycles,

two national election cycles which 2014 and 2019, that's 2017, that's in politics. We're this, we're very-biasa-bago bank our big. We're, yeah,

yeah, very magnanimous, or... Yeah, So it's be be big, so much more than it's a good, in myrude, in myrude we, yeah,

if we can't take on the policy that is the right, and now it's very much to get up to get with data-driven. Because policy this is now data-driven, we're not really,

this, this, we'll just be it, we can bidig with technology. Inequality, the inequality is that I could bidig in the area where the world of the powerhanna

with the and what what we can we can give to them that that's what that's that in all of Indonesia if,

if, if, the use of big data is more pervasive in the government-in-lawful-exam, we can't-moderousa, we can't-mouda-moder, may-anticipation inequality. Don't even, this, ratio, to-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-tie.

Ideal in about 30. But I, I kind of think, inequality of welfare, that's not same with inequality of opportunities. Wow. Yeah, right? Now, that it's just to be correlations don't even if we're not

to detects inequality of welfare, but we're not making up inequality of opportunities. And they could be mutually exclusive. Yeah, right? That, if, if I'm not that, but I, I'm just with you, in the art of the Cata, we're to the front optimist.

And I, kind of, I'm not as well as well as people from out of the world of the world, that's about barbaric. Yeah, can? Yeah, the cata-cata amok, that's from Jawa and allah. But if I think, for 2,000 years' the last in Asia-Tengara,

that's fatality, too, dicatheat, d'a, in the other than in the period of 40-year-old between the war on the 1st-30-jutor. Nyangh, right? Now, this, if you're going to be about barbarism, it's only in 40-year, we can't take the abate the 17,

we can't take it. Gila, bro. And we're not more than 10-a-juta in 2,000 years, and that's in, and it's in-germainment and tolerances that there. Just true, you mentioned the word magnanimous,

that's not asinous, that's too much tolerant or too too, too, I think I'm going to be able to beckon. Don't too be too much more. We have... Great. Yeah. Yeah. But, but I think, yeah,

I, I, I, I think that one of one one of the of the to make make sure that is the mettaean the same parted.

And it's even more important than the permaverataan because, if we're in power be empowered, be able to be able to be in somepaten, and we've got

policy of affirmative or the of the biggaken, affirmative, plus minus, yeah, debatable is the result. But from the UMKM and I've got much to turn in the middle of the community, so we've given the amount,

and the important, they're getting and that's been getting with the education. So if we can... Back to your earlier point. Yeah. So if we're... So I'm not having,

so much, the time it's coming. Yeah. Okay. Now, I'm going to complicate or complication our talk about, I don't know,

I think, but we're going to about decoupling. Right, right? There are some we're not, kind of, gawking, too,

but decoupling, this, kind of the prospect of between America and China. You look at, that's how much the impact of the, if we're going to make

you want to make up with Apple or or make Huawei? No, I'm going to look. In the coupling, it's eventuality. If, if this is a bigiack-can-terus, and not recorrects, it will be in coupling. But, it's not that, then, Indonesia, must have to make

in the of the United, but we have this again, maybe, maybe from magnanimity, from the back of our people this to beaversa of being. And we're from the story from Karno, Bung Hata, this, we're in

the Grapa non-block, we're being, yeah, some of the leaders from and a new-negare-neung-necourt, this, I think I just-do-there-the-cest-the-campatine in-isian, where we're able to

take a peran. And, to be honest, the last five-tawn, we're punching way below our weight, the international scene, yeah. And, I think this is because we're going to be corrects, we focus on the development in the country. It's also opportune time

to we revisit. We have a pejoration but with the coupling this, just so it's just to be a casepaten. Because, can, if, if, we're going to be friends all, right? We're trying to be the time.

We're trying to be. A thousand friends, zero enemy. Zero enemy. That's a lot of our owncahackle, we'll make up against Penebalan and, yeah, and,

yeah, we're going to beabas active, 1,000, one-mus-kebanyak, that's what, that's going to be this, and, I mean, I think,

back back again to economy, the economics of it, sustainable, not, is, of the war, uh, the war technology, uh,

can carry to the topan topan the other the world, the market is big, the part of they're

better make one uh, uh, uh, the But I'm going to look like it's not

to get worse before it gets better. This is the storm before the calm. Yeah, right? Exactly. But it's going to get stormier. And it's going to get stormier. And if I'm going to back again to this gini, so long it's still in atas.

It's just to un-shadowed-upon-upon-upon- So I'm not much. So, the last I checked, America 47. So it's also risked too, yeah. Yeah, rhetorica, rhetorica that's being made by each, that's for the important for the politics in the country. Not, I think, I think,

I'm not to be there's perthikean kinetic or military in any one, on-a-a-mete-a-mit. But this is more for the mainstic domestic, or politics domestic. And I'm not with your in our tauty, in the art of ourty kata, Indonesia, too,

has potential to be middle power, or the Kewa'Kewa'Kewa'an. And we justru be interlocutor or a pendamay of two giant, because of neutrality our.

Yeah, neutrality and, yeah, position strategist, in the, in, in the two of the power of these, and we're in, democracy the three

the three of the world, population the four of the world, we're in, if we're all in with good, everyone has been with me with us.

But, okay, back, to, if you, if you'd be given, how you'd do? What would you do?

What would you do? Wrong question. Jebacan banning. But, but we're going to be, you know, we'll just be undaicry, if I look, there's some things we'll make in here. And this actually work in progress.

Misalien, how we're from the economy can be with with with the power with the power the power of the energy and the other.

we can't see from politics, democracy our democracy our more devasas. Also,

from the legal can't the law, if, if if you're, if you're, one of one,

maybe, that's probably that's about the because if we look, business is reformation is the different

like, technology is before, politics, democracy we're also but reformation in the bidea again I'm saying I'm going to know

how can't yeah, there people get KTP in the in the where I can't like in the lurah there,

there's something that not unique. something that's not-becery, that's more than, we're more than we're more more than to be adaptatapes.

And, and, again, again, we're again to we're our founding fathers. Penedictive,

our funding fathers, we've been to be of the water, the water, we've got all of all that's to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be? KATHLEEN SULLIVAN, we're doing the number of COVID-19 that's

the number of people who are more, that's how we can't-anticipation. Apaka we've got to becadest can't bea-to-pacian, is passion, lo, can? And, you know, can? It's, there, is there. Then at the the

our international about we've got paid respect to our duty as global citizens. This is that we're in the right directions, we are in the right directions, maybe at the wrong speed, but we're direction now

there's direction that's been there, minor tweaking, on the right, and I've been, you know, 10 years in the law of the ASBA, that we've been a lot of from the world international,

because in the era of the A. We, we're very, and, the last five years in the place, the place, if it's just, if it's just to be

because COVID, but we're dorong with, sumper pendanaan of And we've been in BKPM, you've got, you've got to do business where now, number 70? Number 70. You've got to be more than 10.

Oh, yeah, it's more than you'd be more than that. That's more than you said incremental. If you can't top 10, you want to be, you want to be, economy number 4, yeah, at the top 10, but I, but I do. You know, that's not? if you look at data FDI per person. Rendashk. It's Singapore, $19,000,000.

That's Thailand, if not wrong, sorry, Malaysia, $260,000, if you're not wrong, Vietnam. We're $91, we're same with the Philippines. But I, I, look, if, if, if, they're repatriation of the divisional. Yeah, because there's... ...and $35 million,

we're just $1,000,000. Yeah. the end of the end up to come to kanghtaw, right, right, from investasies, or foreign direct investment, or from pariwisata. This is low-hanging fruit, we're, who can't make uproof-power.

You've got about branding. Pandangang on you, how about pari-wisata and investations? Branding, yeah, we're un-tung, yeah, of the way of the Lord who's that's a plet black Bali that's branding of Indonesia,

that pariwisata we're, yeah, sometimes, other than other than Indonesia, and, when I was in Wichita, the people, I don't know where in Indonesia, but, you know,

Bali, there's in where. So, about investations and pariwisata, we, we, from the perspective of COVID, COVID, yeah, it's just soot. But, we must be able to-norong,

because pari-wisata is a sumer-daii that meleck-cats with us and if we're really, with new-normal, pari-wisata new-normal that we can't with,

with, with, in-d-with-go-in-the-poh-the-pac-cad-pac-cad-pac-customized, personalized, very localized, customized, and niche, so much more sustainable, that's more sustainable to the future.

That's low-hanging fruit, and we have a lot-hanging fruit, because our destination we're, we're not-briassia if we're itemized. Now, if you look, $90 per-persona-F-D-I. Yeah, we must be serious, that's a huge opportunity.

Yeah. It's a low-hanging fruit. And if, I think I, yeah, the key is political will. If that's, you've been there, you know. That's, if we're going to, so, there's been very investations to here. And not-not-narrick, that in here, this is also going to investasies.

But we have to do structural reforms. This is the word structural reforms. I'm going to be bosen, but reformation structural this is not the other things. Tax ratio is so that's so that. 11%? Oh, that's that.

Thailand, about, bro. Thailand, 11%? Yeah, 17%. Yeah, 17%. So that's that, I think that's all the... That's low-hanging fruit. Yeah, don't everything

bea-tebaning to the government. Apalagy, now, there's digital technology. Yeah, the number-ang-ang-a-cuh, and reformation structural that can be executed with more effective to the end.

Cren, great, great. Sen, I want to end-hiring session, we've, We're talking about, sorry, sorry, you're so sorry, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. But at the, at the end, I'm gonna ask,

rapid fire. Yeah. So, you're just gonna, this is a can, this is a ham. You want buy or sell, or you want to buy option, long or short. Yeah, right?

You can? You can say buy or sell, or long or short? from the UMKM. Long and long. Long, long, long, long, long, like, or buy, or buy, or super buy. Okay.

Pakean unique, lo. Long and buy. Okay. Either or, you want long or buy just or buy just? If you're not the two-due. Same, but it means the same. Because I like to double up. Okay, bye.

Now, this is a bit challenging, although I'm maybe, there's an Indonesian version of Uduclo, yeah. This is not a spatoo, this is a good one's Indonesia? This is more than my own company. That's the more than my $29 from Adidas, factory outlet. This is $150.

Maybe it's more than. Maybe it's runger, okay. Okay, then, It's a woman for president. Long. Good. So it's just you're doing really, you know,

part of the manita in the propimipinan. And we're like, we've got to be able to be able. We're actually, yeah, we're more than America. Sorry to say, yeah. We've got to be able to be. Okay, this maybe a bit, ag, ag, this is hard to answer.

You don't have to answer. Short. That's an option, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You if you're going to marry in your, can. Oh, oh, do you know.

But, it's just you'd more, like, long, short. I gotta make it difficult for you. Buy, sell, like, if you're, like, if you're, not. It's not.

It's underweight. No, no. No. No. No. No. Colapal? Oh, yeah?

Okay. But, but there's prospect, bi-diesel and all the other. Long story. This is an issue of the other. Unwisceran, I'm not too, what's about who's what I'm still. Okay, same.

I'm also, I'd be work in the room. Asian. Um, tough call. I would buy. Okay. I agree. I would buy. I would long.

The stock. I would long. I would buy. But they have been underperforming, yeah. Okay. Then, GDP the first number four in the world, for Indonesia?

Yeah, definitely. You'll buy the stock, right? Yeah, I'll buy. Okay. I'll be the second buyer. You'll be the first. I'm going to answer to be in the back. Don't get there.

That's it, man. Thank you very much. That's it, man. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. for my partners in coal and oil. It is Indonesia's biggest exports though.