Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Indrawan Nugroho: Yang Jarang Dibicarakan Soal Inovasi

Episode Date: January 27, 2022

Konsultan inovasi Dr. Indrawan Nugroho punya misi yang sangat pribadi di setiap advokasi yang dilakukannya: memastikan bibit-bibit unggul inovator Indonesia tumbuh di lahan yang subur pula. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #IndrawanNugroho -------------------------- Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/6282133365263 Info pendaftaran program Master of Public Policy di SGPP Indonesia: admissions.sgpp.ac.id [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504 Saksikan versi video episode ini: https://endgame.id/indrawan

What is what's what's what's to be more what's what's more productive? What makes more than more than more than than a lot to be able to be able to to live in our own, either creativity, productivity, productivity, connections with other people so don't get it wrong,

technology is just the just just the kangangang-nazha-it-a-game. This is end game. Hi, my, my. Hi, my friends, my name isa we're talking about JAS, founder and CEO of Chias. Indra, thank you.

Well, thank you, in show our show we're here. Thank you. I've heard a lot about you. I've been following you. I've been following you. I'm going to go about you about in the

Mesa Kisela. Like, just, tell just, later in Jakarta, 8 November, yeah? Yes. Yes. Okay,

to Ui, to Binos, and stuff. Wow. I don't know, if I'm going to be able to be like that. Yeah, it's just enough, I think. Thank you, thank you,

Ma'Kaita. So, yes, 8 November, 76. I'm born in Solo. But, only six-bulan. After that, I was moved to Solo.

I'm a person, Baja, I'm a person, I'm a man, I'm going to be able to Jokhya, then I'm in Jakarta. So if I'm if I'm not really but I'm saying I'm not ready. So, maybe I'm more

back to be able to say as a lot of Jakarta just. And anyway, if you're going to say about, maybe, proper, if I said, the name's Indra on Groho, but actually, actually, the name my name's not Indra, Pa. So that I was like that

Kake's my name first time that was Kaka Skaepa. I'm from Kakaa, Indonesia Raya. Wow. Because Kakaa Kappa Kutka Lita. Now, untunging not to Kaka, Kakaa, because Because my father's a huge,

the child's who's born in Indonesia Raya. Bapa, I protested-a-chitania. This I was about my mother's. After I niggum of my father, because I'm worried if the name's Indonesia Raya, it's, ah, how much, you, I'm, like, and I'ma,

Nogu Nigea, Nogu, Lekapakia, one Nugroho. The, Trenica, in Indonesia, Rā, Raya. One, unalki-laki, Nubroho, Anugra.

So, Indra Nogu-Nugra, too, a man, a man, a man, that to be honest, it's like, to be hard, that's about the name, so, like it's, it's a bit of a subahmissi. Diciting background,

when you, when you're about? I'm not. Still, but I'm still, but I'm just I'm just, for I can't

make it, and ever since, I, when I, when I'm being asked when I'm trying to Because it's a bit of the background with my life, so it's the way.

So I always talk about my sister's my, that's the same thing. I'm going to my sister's life. I'm a fashion designer. And hobby's my hobby's my hobby. I said to my sister's, I'm nother, if I'm not too, I just want to come to mrs.

I just want to mrs. I just want to mrs. I just want to be happy, yeah. If you've got it's all right, every time we go to another and we're... Fashion Muslim, yeah, yeah. Fashion Muslim, yes, this is we're going to go. We're enjoying our time, like,

but ultimately, we're not tahan long, so, so, 10 days, you've, yeah, we're, you, we're, we're going, so... So, when, if, I'm giving up to, okay,

to, make, in the other-like, like that's like that's like that's like that's maybe, like I'm not like, like, I'm like, responsibility that, I just not know who's what I just somehow feel responsibility that,

I'm on a mission, that I have a mission, and I'm going to be the, I think I'm going to beaenati that, that, that's, so, that's, that's the reason I, that's the reason I was the story that. in the back of the other than that.

I'm from, from, from, from the other than, bro, I'm from, from, from, from, from, from, actually, I was at first, I'm at first, Australia. Honestly, I was, to Australia, to know school at the Artes, yeah, but, then,

it's damper in there, because crisis, and then, then, I was, I'm going to be daftar in Melbourne University, and, I'm here in commerce. Second option is actually commerce.

First option is art. So I'm actually the wiener of the life of arts, which is not a case. That's two I, in U.I, psychology. S-3, I'm strategic management. Now, what's... Why, psychology? I've fallen in love

with people, with the context of... that's very unique, and they're always surprising, so, there's a lot of people that we're underestimated, but at the later day, in the day, the day, the day, the day, we can be that, wow, he's so, that we can't get with someone that, wow, this is very much, It's really. Oh my god, it's

and we're looking at people who are in the the other people who can't be able to be able to be able and then someone who's just being just a thing that's

he'll be able to so that it's commacucuc curiosity and and as well how I can

come to help the time that the I'm not in clinical psychology, but I'm so much more than the other than the other than I'm S-3 I'm in the strategy management because I'm I'm really, I'm a part of puzzle that I don't pegang. Commerce, it's very

bigara, yeah, we're talking to supply and demand just and then psychology, gomengen the manusiness, but ultimately, So we have something that's a bit more than something that's which is a significant in the massacringed that we can't just gliding just just like in the life. So we have to have a strategic vision, we have to have a way to wudget-k then, then, then, then, and what's going to get to strategic management.

And what's interesting is, Steve Job, can say that we can only be able to get-tip-tick-tick-it-tick that when we look at the back to look at the I've got to tell that when I was called Pulia Films then I'm just about nashar to commerce then I'm from Indonesia I'm learning psychology and instead of I'm learning

strategic management and and the more to see I'm looking at titic, titic it's the subunation and the most concrete is in this time pandemic this when I'm going to do video YouTube

ah yeah because pandemic there's not there's on the other room, there's there's camera, okay, I have to do something, what, yeah, that's... Tibba, yeah, just, switch the camera on, and start speaking just in camera. If I see video I was at all of all,

I'm really, I'm really. But we all, that, yeah? That's all very evolution. Yeah, and not malo to move from something as a just as a-dain-as-a-da-a-just. Because, at the end of the end of the end, at the end of the end uphirted at the end uphawalli, so,

so I enjoy really, when you're doing video video that, because I'm looking at, that's the dot of my, where, um, the time that's who,

the way you tell story um, about something that, that, the campus, I've had done but, but I, I can't understand,

I'm, I'm not too. Now, but... So, um, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'mh, I'mh, in fact,

uh, so, I'm, juster, when I'm, I'm, I'm, naturally,

just, I, I'm, there, camera, I'm gonna just, yeah, sometimes I'm gonna, yeah,

I'm gonna, yeah, so, looking back, yeah, it, contribution, from,

the, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I like I do with video, I also, I also, I've got to bea-unuching

in every video, while you're going to be a lot of it in the other than I'm saying, but there's a human side, that. For example, when I, I, I, about acusis of Pixar by Disney, Steve Job with Bob Aiger. Bucu's interesting.

Yeah, yeah, that's really. Yeah, yeah, that's book that book. Bob Aiger. John Lazeter, Bob, I think. Yeah, yeah, there's all about in the there. Now, if I'm just about how the process acquiesisition that's going to be boring, it's going to be boring,

and it's going to be boring, that's going to be taken. For the people who are going to take. But for people, it will beckoning, it will beckon because they somehow, not can relate to the story that. So, I don't know, yeah, Naluri just, so, I'm going to, look, I like, look, look, Steve Jobs, there's one of the moment that's very manucusia

exactly, that's making the process acusisies to be something bigger than just business acquisitions. Now, it's just a big of a strategic, that's a complex, but it's been a deep-and-manerick. Now, that I enjoy it there, that, so, that, I'm still having a team, yeah. So that's because of Pat Gita, this is because of the unsure manusia.

What's the other? What's the other? If you're not, it's not a good-the-cared. Because Bob Iger, the ego is more less, less, more than... Steve Jobs and Eisener, can be too, that's... When, when Eisner, first came to be Steve Job,

can, Steve Job, would be bette-d-d-d-d-do-louan, you? You're the good-boahsler, yeah? Right. And, yeah, I think, Yeah, I think of people at Pixar, about how they compensation with a presentation that's a small small about the pipeline.

Yeah, the pipeline of ideas. When he gives you the pipeline it, he's going to renego, 50-50, Pixar Disney production, Sesseh, and then, then, he was actually, the acquisition, $7.4 million. Yes. That's not so much because of the humanuansiaan,

because they're too much of the body in the Aiger. Also, bacharer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I've been satisfied to be it, but it's interesting. But, okay. Okay. I'm looking you as a storyteller that's that's about about yeah, right? Bercalic-kali we're going to go about how, as well as it's about it,

we're talking about storytelling capabilities. Bungarno, too, maybe, manifestation of storytelling telling capability that's great but since that, it, And this is quite smaract, ecosystem digital.

Orang, already from the world about what's going to what what's your view in Indonesia, in Asia, Tengara. What's your view about storytelling that has been done by Indonesia and Indonesians at a scale that's that's a scale that's that's a great. Yeah.

If we're inundas, we're the other than I'm not just as I'm not as I'm think we have many storyteller. The question is what story that they tell? Buttingy we all never can't be able to be able to media social, TikTok, gossip,

on TV, and and so again, that's really, being told. And we're, we're still every day, by that. Now, that we're we're the storyteller that's about something meaningful, well, I meanful, that's

depending on the proficient. For a business, yeah, maybe aspect business, economic, economic, politic, politicia. Bhasa, or, budaia, yeah, buddakiness. Now, Why meaningful? Because meaningful,

meaning that's a story that's a good it's a different not just as something that we're making uphast can, we're kind of, then, it's all right, because there's meaning in the it,

meaning it will beckos, that in heart, in the picture, because he's like, make a little bit of a time on the topoled in the right in the right in the that's like to make uphounen we're like, oh yeah, yeah, and we know that one thing that's

that's not ever able to take from our own and that's been coming and it will be beckmang and will be something exponentially in the time that's coming down is idea. Idea is can be dangerous. And

dangerous, in the in the way that's positive, it's negative. So, story what's the story what we tell? First, that's all right, story what we're talking. Then we'll talk about how to tell you that. A few time I've got to come with a friend who also has a mission that's very about

... I'm over, wow, I was overro, wow, I was not too much, about the issue that he anka. But then, after mowbrow, with him, bro, it's important,

I know that's long, but I just click now, how that story has to tell. And, and, I'm going to say, that's the reason why I'm going to tell you,

help me tell that story. Now, that I'm also that I'm also that's a story that's a good a that's a part, that's a person that's a personal, even a personal, even, we have to make every story that's personal, yeah. If not personal, that's textbook, the academic textbook, not personal. But when, when, when, when, when, we can't bring that to as personal, we can, we can, we can make personal meaning about that, and, and, and, I think that's important, and it's going to

make up and it's about idea idea in our and to build idealism our. Wow, in myroth I, it's going to be a great-biasa. But how to it can be comeanked, for consumption international? Yeah, right? Maybe context of the question and observation is in context international.

We're not really good. I totally agree with our own little pond. But how do we become really good in the ocean? Yes. Now, if we identify films of film that's coolie-goy-goy-where, from Korea, not parasites, squid-gain, or degal or from India,

it's kind of kind. It's kind of with the theme and value, that universal. But that's because there narrator, too. We have, though, thema-tema that's sifat universal. Not only international, but universal. So, just in just swarackan just, we need to. Yeah.

Maybe one of one item, when I said, that, about, when I was trying story to tell it, that, yeah, that meaningful, that. I think of that I was in the in a good at a good in a good. There's a person a parker that's he was, he'd also, he'd go to promiscan the

culture Indonesia, one of the other one of the other one. Yeah. And then, it's just, it's, "'Ican Arwana." Then,

"'Tamu-dattang, "'This, "'This, what? "'I-an-arwana.' "'Okay, it's left again, "'that. Then she's like this. It's like that's like that's about.

It's like dragon-fish. How much the mythos in the back it? How it can, it's not a number of the other than. With the story in the back the it, we can't talk about Indonesia, about the othergaman our culture

about the hebratown of the pastingia and and the and soagrein it's that, I think that's I think that's about it's the thing that's sometimes we've got to beaacques right, yeah.

Yeah. We're in Dubai, uh, there's events, like, to the other country for pameran, but that's a matter

but that's a matter of artifact. It's, when the artifact is just a thing. It's just a thing. It's just a thing. That's just criss.

It's a pedang that belloc beloc. So, it's so, that pedang bellic block, but if we can tell, that philosophy in the back crissing, and so again, tibingue, there's two paragraphs. If we're to,

Australia or America, the pohont only, there's two paragraphs, description. Yes. In this is here Bycunjungy Who? And, in the other

There, Peter that's just Yeah, what we're So? And then what's But,

but he's really, yeah, I'm not because we're too kaiya, so we're too too,

so much, so we're being we're assuming the to then to make metacken in the world. Sementara, like Singapore, like the other countries that not care in culture,

they're not having been able to make them make them look like, if we're not. So, not per se, not per se, not per se, not per se,

but it's backfire, actually, back to us. We're back tolap. We're back, our, culture, we're taking, the country,

and, and, and, so, so, so, so, I totally agree, with, with, Indonesia has been there's a lot of our

people, we need to be a lot of the word of people, that's kind of kind of kind of I'm going to be able to be a lot of this. Amen. Amen. I'ma'am.

I'ma'am. I'maugh. I'ma. Cough we'll just in context what you've done what you do with many times. You're with a lot of people, oh,

a startup, like a person who's been brought up, long too long as well, how much, how much, how much, how much, how much, yeah? In fact, it's not going to be jargon, now, so it's arient that's not be eliccant. And that's all organizations, big, small, B.M.N., Pusans,

swastasional, national, international. Inatt, justro, in the time of the community, that I support, three-kley, more than before pandemic. Al-hmudhaw. Unthum, there's technology that not have to have I, not have to move,

there's one place to other, I just can't help two, three clients like that. If not there, I can't that, maybe I can't. Now, from my friend of my friends that's that's about that's

they'reaned. They're all innovated by, what I'm, which is, we're, we're just digituin. Because if not digituin,

it's just just a waccana just. And we still will be, how will be how much, if they're actually can be transformation, can give us an innovation that's not disruptsyshire industry

can't help us, that's not even though that we don't know what we can't. What we can see is the effort and I'm really, because

if, if you were going to use, business A, B, C, D, you know, so. Yeah, so we're looking that market we're

just that's just that context I as a consultant in innovation. Tibba-d-d-you-bubble, Because now, like that everyone can't be a person, because everybody's sadar that they're not just just about innovation, but they have to do it. However, but, but there's, yeah, there's, because

they're just, better than they've been used to be innovation. That's just to be innovathe, who's still to be in innovation theater. Yeah, he'd made many conventions, comatition, hackathon, like, krein'n-kren-kren-ne-ne-ne-d-d-d-d-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri-tri- People are the start-up, but then the second-you-up,

yeah, that's all the event. That's the usual. So, innovation is not just as-usual, but not-pap-a-pap-paw. Palling not, it's not even though, rather not, same-secally. The perjureka-one the first thing is gawal,

so what's been made from event, event-innovation, it's really, we have implemented. Now, that's not even though we're quite like that's the time after the other than in the people that,

that, you knowvasion, there's often there's often imagine just, if we were talking innovation, yeah,

at we'll make we're making a seminar, call motivator, or a person talking in innovations, oh, oh,

good, great, And then, right? And then, tibba, what's about they're still in the time program innovation for the duration

three to five month. That they assigned people in the organization and then we pandu process innovation, and it's really

making usher can't something. Now, from there's there's, they're just that, oh,

innovation is really, yeah? Beaut, yeah. It's repot, wow, what, what? The partarungan that's about innovation that's been able to be able to bewareta.

And, in this, they're just they're going to claim innovation as a one value of a person that we've banged can't to where, and reality, it's hard, yeah, renovations. Now, again, but,

I'm just the same thing, I always look at the positive than whatever I can't I've seen. I'm happy, ma'am up, just to make up. Because, because they're they're going to be able to be. And

that's making sebel, sometimes. I'm going to be here, here, this, here, here, here. Begutuio, I'm going to be. I'm going to. The last, yeah, pa. Gubrat, the time. Now, now, at, maybe, they're been going to be able to beck, even,

no, to sendo, whatever. What, what, you're and that's and it's a certain for my opinion. I mean, that's I can't say maybe I'm going to, maybe I know, maybe, and

I, if I'm said, I said, I think, I'd like want to be able to in Indonesia, I could embearsaken in Indonesia. But I know that my son-a-said to

...there is a little bit more than that will be able to excel, but if weed-bidit-bubes, but if we're not soot, we're not so bad. So, like, my legacy, if we're going to be in legacy. I'm simplification, legacy, is, I'm in the process of finding out, to find out, to the way, so that's the next,

that will be in Indonesia, in a little bit more than a lot of the world that's about in a but we're not just as far as much as much, and maybe this is a person, I'm not saying, I know, my a lot of the other, I'm not a lot of the other And I have I have a greatucusaed that they're going to be the country

but at the same time in the back of the there is a question of my parents, automatically, yeah, is it? Ampacca, they're in a little in a subalinkungan that

can make potency dea muncule? That's because it's because this, this is good, but it's, but how,

I'm my responsibility, as parents, to make up for my suburb, and why I said I said that when I said I came to come with Pusan-Pusan who's been trying to do not in a newfounding in the world that's and to petok-sana-sin it, I'm happy,

because, we are making progress. Don't ask, yeah, progress is that's so-dabom-many. Because, maybe, Because that's not the point. the point is, about 10 and 10 years, just one of 10 years,

we're doing to taping inop, as a sub-a-basa for the our own, to look, and now you are doing real innovation. No, no, no, say to ask you, not get to do, not just do you, that's all right,

that's notar, do. Dere other, no, no, no, no, no, why you'll be able to, just, you know, we're doing it. Nanty last year, I just because of bismillah

So just through in the middle of this pandemic despite from many of the that's made we're stressed, we're saddh, we're seeing, we're in there, we're getting there's not there now, yeah,

in the back of the stutalidity, there's always there, there's two sides, that I'm trying to see see that positive that that, that pandemic this islemen that has happened that's just as long as

goyang. Want to give money to give money, not can't, you can't, even if you're being, even, even, the government, even, even, gave warning,

not can't, and it's, it's, it's, it's, this, this, this, this, this, this, but,

And so much more than, so much more than the business. Because I see that hope. Yeah, I'm afraid. I'm sorry. But we also have to be quite many and the sodas, our friends and the other our people

that can't make making two years. Yes. Caspal, to pleset in a place-et, there's also that's there's also that's a permanent.

But, what positive is, I want to ask you, is it can't imple? This can multiprom, yeah, can be because of system incentive. And it's also because there's a great-upacquakean, a person of a manipin, who just true, mecue, democratization.

You, you, if you're like that, you're like, to get to, you know, because of the first or the second? Yeah. That's interesting. There, I'm,

I'm, answer to answer to the research and then the other, the second, the other, from the other, the researcher

who made up, there's a researcher who did not be it, for managers. what, what's what you what's about you knowvassi, the majority of the majority of the managers, the answer

the answer is scientific. The question is the same is about staff. The answer is completely different. The answer is the two that, the two, that's the first.

We want to put the room of BAPA to beca. So, any time, I can get to that and gobrel with him by the law some bad. As a general matter of the and I completely said that. Okay, that's research.

So, I've been done by a person who's a big of course of a company that quite a lot of it. He shortha, he's churhut. Paindra, this, we've got, from year to year, we've got to competition innovation.

Before, we're who, who, who, who, who, who's being in the world of our own, so many, there, more, more than we're going to turn, and we're going to more than the amount to with the price.

So, the idea that we're going to to go out of the country. For the same many people, the number of the amount, that's why, I think. I'm a question. I also a question

how many the many of the many of the many the most of the most of the most of the no one of the way that's just the the endinian not there's no there's, I said I don't, yeah,

don't, they're just, oh, this is just for lucied lucian do'am if there's one even if there's a lot, there's a lot, while even if there's a price hunter, that's not innovator,

that they're trying to give-a-isand-a-is-a-redued. They're not but for the idea that's because they need for the other-negrie. You want that like that? Yeah, no, don't, we're trying to build a smite of renovations. Now, the way is wrong, that's wrong,

so, from two, that by experience and by research that, to answer the question about that more a factor how the leader's the leader's because of the world but how much more than the leader challenge the other than trying something new.

Yobain something new. Yobain something better experimentation. Membong psychological safety in the linguanguant the work. That's what will be more the bigger the more than the the other than the other than the other than positive from the men's men's millennial, yeah,

that's again. And that's one of one that's one that's that's more. I, if I'm going to as a man-man-musis, I remember, if I gave a tip that good, if I gave tip that good, yeah, but, I'ma-tained-bias-bias-a-dha-a-a-a-a-.

But, I mean, But if there's people that come, if you've got to do you've been great-a-like-and-go-you-can-you-magnan and I'm just like the the way that you know how you're like, I'm like, you're like, yeah, yeah, right, right, right,

yeah, right, he's not puttip one p-ser, but but, and, what, yeah, that,

it's more kind of, and I, not to be that's about a person. He's that's about the way that's about or to democratization. Mechanism. To, so, if the idea, that's going to be inalier. Now, this I try to move on

the case about Satyana Della that if I read in the book of the about it, how he's to make depenant empathy, yeah, right, in the organization, as much as much of the market cap of Microsoft to make three, four times before.

That, in weekly meeting with the lieutenant of the lieutenant that, he, he, not going to, oh, you, innovation what the week of the week. He asked, eh, you're going to do with my husband with my son, my, and my, I go to go and manching in the this, that's a little bit of the other, that's something to be it's a lot of the other,

butin's how, and it's a manifestation in how they can't make up to beaitherto people who are people who are of the people who's or among who's of the consumer. That's how, that, in observation. That's what, in Indonesia. So if we're inovacic, what we're in our own, technology, who's coding, which is,

at its core, at its core, the inties that's the end of innovation is human. So, even if we talk about Steve Jobs with Apple's, like, that's, you know, because, yeah, yeah, can technology company, product product technology, but how, but how can't Apple can be able to be Apple now, But because of the technology company is about Apple. Why, why, there's unique signature that Apple has been made,

apacist, it's not. Trenata human value that's not by Steve Jobs, then, IREP, also, did, be given by lieutenant-lutenants, about what, what, what, what, is, what,

to make us to be more what's the more productive. What's the makes more than more? Technology is just an alat to be able to live-can something in our own own. Either creativity, productivity, productivity, connections with other people. So don't get it wrong,

so if I say, if it's, if it's, even, maybe, maybe, Maybe it's not past, more than what, what's about what? What's about the world, where, manusia, is special. Technology is just the t'angangangue just tools'n'a just. Tools'n'a'a'a. Now, so, back again,

when we've gone-innovation, that just-ru-mullain-nigh-nion-hous-nusiness. What's the most for the manusia is. What is what is that? After we're the most of the most of the most of the thing for the most of the question. What is we can't use? To make a new thing that in the life.

To be able to, how, hope in the desire that, so, when we can't know how, we can't evener can't be renovations. We don't need to be innovation.

We don't need technology to be renovations. a new. AHA if a new way of a newfound if that's a lot of a very meaningful and actually makeshackering a big agasance a idea and idealism in the head of the capitalization

that actually make sure how they're working with with people other even, even with the family with their, and it's actually it's brought to beaiccan

baguagery people that, it's really, they're really because at its core, again, it's not a technology, it is the human that's in the in the world. And, so long as a man who's in the mucca-bumia in it,

it's right, can, we're always need to be it. This is okay, this is the only. I want to try to book us in the context corporations, or corporeate. We've got about innovation, empathy, if we've got to acu to Amazon, That's kind of that's how they can

success. Mojo-mojo-mojou-y-novary, or secret-source, one, innovation, two, customer-centricity. The three, cost. How they can make can cost. And, and, every time he imboubucked profit, he just through, the huckum.

Because profit-notes, not be reinvestation for the important innovation that's the other than that's like that in Indonesia that can be the next, before we can't get a Tesla or space or something. It's hard to say, yeah,

maybe exposure to my exposure to people in Indonesia still enough to be able to get to question that, but but spirit to that, I think, There's also, while-pun

What's interesting, because Bezos has power to have power to shareholder, you? And, and the question is, how many, CEO, in Indonesia, who have power over shareholders, like, he said,

if you're saying, if you'll sell it, the same. So, there's a job that's a structural. Because in America, to, the money is more so much more than in Indonesia. In America, the liquidity is belipah limpa.

And it's the most of the people who are the pension, which the doveting, not really to be back in, so much, 30, 20, 30, time. That's a bit. If you're going to be. If you're not sad. not-sabar. He has

he had to dole-ulang in seven-year. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Kejarned just capital gain just that's just in the back. Yeah, I'm going to go out of money. Yeah, I'm going to exit.

Yeah, I was a-weree-serie-a-serie-c. Or the IPO. But if in America, because the duet-neepa-limpah, pension money, that's the durations is 20-30-tawn. It's the durations, so it's when he madeirican Amazon in the time in the 20-20-10-a-old,

he's not even though he can't do you. So, he can't be able to think of the long. Now, if people not too be able to think of the long, he can be able to think of the long. Yeah. Yeah. That's strategic advantage

for the people who are in the country and majeu, that are limpa-limpah. Liquiditas. That, if I mean, That's, if I'm not really, if we're not even though to think of the long-pongued in Indonesia to be repikered for long-pongued

them to borrow the model in a three, four, five, six, seven-tawn-five, six, seven-tawn-law. If he'd be given from, I'mma'am, it's been back in three-bulan. Yeah, Meningan, I'm yolong.

Yeah, right? He'll not can be pickir about by the public, inclusion, right? Right. Right. Yeah. Now, I,

see, in Indonesia, okay, there's other other than about innovation like cost management and customer-centricity. But,

innovation, this, can be bungus in jangka, and long, I'd like, like to be able to be long. But but while model it has to dole-ulang in the cycle of the same,

in a situation, there's a cuterbacassan. Now, this is allusicant. Yeah. In the time, I'm going to put out of the video, Pat Gita, that's a startup, mullying a the American, but, this, it's the

the people are people in India. So, the ender the country, The India. is 20-old two 20-old and he's still has to be that's a certain aspect can't sell-forses, some of the Google and this and soaguen't

never get a little from investor. Alasance is just one. So, when it was at the first, the founder this is, like bridge-baku, this year, they're saying He's about the business,

he's the company, he's about the because he's been able to UMKM, she's, making a solution digital for UMKM, with the price that's very down with UMKM. Now, one day, he did gettened by venture capital,

it's about $200, US, dollar, if not the same, excited, don't, like, but to be able to money, so, but it's not to be able to be But when he's the term sheet there's one clause that's

that we've said, that's about, we're going to be able to exit. Pushing, niland, though. As soon. This is a perbiddae value, this. Investor pengain exit.

We want to bea-ed baby we're in. We're trying to beauntle our company. We want to continue this so, we're going to stay. We're going to keep in people, we're going to keep in here. There's a lot of it.

Now, that's the unilacu themchew okay, we're not we're not going to take the anan from venture capital, we're going to beaupting. And it's been bookticked with him.

Before the company it, it's going to get soldar, if not sorry, sorry, not one, not,

not too, too, I'm too. So, I don't know, so. So, he's, there's, before it's, there's, there's the founder's,

and that's the do you do not, commitment's not worth-biasa. He's not getting to get paid. Begutte that's the amount we're getting to get paid. And, since now, this is a pushing whodea-bank. Maybe, Pat, I've also, also, you know brand-ne.

And he's not even never even a specerpun. And he's just, just the long, like I've said. It's, maybe, in Indonesia, Innesia, in the money just,

we're out of out of out of the way, out of course, out of course. We're not... Oh, warm. Okay. Warm. If hot is in the day and out of the year. Oh, warm. Okay, warm, yeah.

Not like in America that's sadar. So we're not in Indonesia. There are alternative that other. Bootstrapping. We must have to be able, but it's a bit of a little bit at a while, but possible, So that's not downed-delawad,

waddued, wadda-be, there's a lot, there's got to come to money, no, no, no, there's just from our country, India, can 12-12, from the cussi-12, yeah, from the city of culture, and this. So there you go, that's just, that's one, food for fault, that, you know, maybe, I'm not too

be teley-tele-tele to point in, but I want to be said that And the young in anywhere, that's in the other than in the world, because of the world because of the demographic. Demographic

demographic is more too, savings is more being blimpah limpa. But savings, savings, it can be investasiccan in class asset that, that's it, that's just. Bonn, stock, property,

property, Ferrari. Yeah, the duet's more, asset classis is finite, cost of money will be more too, so it's more than the cost of money will be more

so much, our children, our children, that's alternative more, yeah, yeah,

because it's very, we're just just, just we're just, where's the money? And that's all right-biasa, in 20, 30-tallon to the 20-tallon to the time.

Now, I want to try digress a little to the other than you can't take psychology. I was too, you know, just a little, but if I'm taking psychology, but if I'm taking from psychology, there are two schools of thought. Freudian and Adlerian,

Adler. If Freud, that's what's a lot of what's it's more than what's about what what's actually that's about that's about inundasia that's always been a lausan because we're jajahs for 350-tawn

so we're not too perpendidicant like people in the world because we're, this, this is a bit dramatic here, But if Adler, I'm going to do what I'm going to do because I'm going to do here. That's if, if I'm going to be more positive thinking.

How, to make up to use terminology, psychology, from Freudian and to be Adlerian. In context, digitalization, like, corporatization, What about? What I'm not?

Maybe I can't give up using theatismicologian. Yeah. Maybe I'm not the he's there. Many of the things, the first, is, how we can talk about

um, sejara, for this. This is, we're in the book, book, our books we're doing about,

history, something that's something that's Which is, okay, fine. We have our people. Palawan people who are the same. But the emphasis on the same. So we'll rewrite the way we tell the story, this story again, about...

Don't event just, but why events? Exactly. And, when it's, it's not a bag of the last last last. It's still happening, now. That's what I said meaning

that, that story that worth telling. Justro that is that, we're going to gend in the same way that's wrong. that's the spirit. The spirit for we're just about the self-injahinging phoenix, and it's about meredica economy, meredica, much, much. And, if I'm going to look at this,

let's learn about, there's two, there's two pencathen. We're going to look at to beulacan, and we're looking at to look at the front. Bucan, we're learning from, we're learning from, to make sure, to make the time I'm going to focus the more than the same has not yet, let's say I'm just a good history, I've been to spend 20 minutes

to talk about the war in Ponegoro and it's about 20 minutes just. After that, I can ask to say to what what you've learned in there? What is insight? Okay, now, with insight that what can you do with a newfound in Indonesia 20, 30, 100 I'm going to spend

40 minutes for that. That's one of the one. So, yeah, the child we have to be Ajaq. Because, massalaloo, too, can milignia of the people. A lot of the future, sir, ma'amara, if

gnazarin the young man about the last year. Yeah, the second is, this is to be the other I'm not I'm I'm like I'm like that's about forward looking we're still to learn from

because they're making something or there's a problem with them or there's a problem with her okay what's what you're doing you're doing what from there but that's just ascukes just as much the long the day on the meja-bakan that is what you're asking what you're doing

that you're like how much it's justrothed Now, if the model it's the way to the way, to make sure that's all the theory. Theory is created in the past events that's being analyzed, so that makes it can give us a theory that can be able to be navigational

to make us in the past with assumption, the variable not too significant berubhna, which is, now, so we're being about the theory. So, so we're rethinking about the theory,

Now, problem is that we're in the context of the past. Justure, the more than the more than, okay, you know, why the theory this is just a little bit just just a little bit more time how you can use this to design our time. So, this is more to the other of the other,

to our other, to the people, to our people, to the cariwans, to our shareholders, if you're a matter of choice. You want to look back or you want to look forward. One thing we know that we can't change the past, we can influence the future, so there you go.

What you do? You dwell too much into the past, yeah. Yeah, but I agree I'm not like if he's called if he's called up as a historian. He's more than the wordylused as historian and futurist.

Nice. Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because history, or history, or the sort of, or accruation, or accruation, that's the musty,

but, yeah, can ramba, and I'm going to And I'm not only in context swastah, not only in context social enterprise, but in context public enterprise, sometimes or sometimes people all over the world they suffer from historical amnesia

for the importance to rank-ranking-en, to the way, right? Yeah, right? And this is more complex like that's with the kind of

of the cognitive immunity that. We're, or, even, not can't even make make a difference facta from fictions. One, we've got lost a story,

we can't make make sense how we can't can't say that we'll make up on back, next day or 10-town-degon or 10-year. Yeah, that's fixie that, I think, not berbasis-can. It's justa-can.

Now, this is be applicatisical in context social enterprise, private enterprise, and public enterprise. This is pretty pervasive, though, in the world, if I'm not pretending nor pretending to be an expert in this. But this observation or not even we're not even up to look

with a story, just that we can't be able to befacts from ficts. For the key, weirah usahahe, like, run LSM, or to be public servant

or whatever. How much, how much? Yeah. It's a bit of innovation, but if I'm not long as well as if we're want to be innovation, we have to learn from... There's one mussel of the innovation, this is that we've talked about the most of the innovation is that isomsy.

We're too many assumptions in our own our company our, our customer, I'm going to this, oh, atasancu, I'm not like this, oh, our company, in industry, it's, yeah, it's just like that's just that's that'shouncy that's because of the last year now

macae with the history we need to we need to make make a fact and fiction so there's fact that that's beeneran the matter that we can be jacring

c'an but haty-hurti-hurti with fiction that we can't simply that can be yeah the name the manusia there bias

not necessarily that's right that we're all right we're all right we're indra one-grossed to indonesia raya that's it's been that interpretation of my own butloputations I'm even though fact that, that's a great-said, that's fact that that I gave me the name that but how I put meaning there is there is personal bias though but in context I it's positive because it to be a suburb motivation.

Now, we have to bea-athe us, because it's just to be made making the fact of fact that's in the past, that's about this in our life, this is in our work our, this is in about making a product what he'd do with, how much it's doing it,

the feature what in the in the dalam-in-day-dalen. Backan, strategy-besar, the other than what's like what. And it's full with assumption. And this is, the other's univation, because that'sombsi that's the same that's the same thing that

after we're at least, that's the end, we're not that's what we're getting that's the thing that's the wrong strategy, yeah, and that we're going to be four, five time, where, the person we've got on,

that's more, we're more than than we, and we have to make the case of the last few years now, so on the same that's the same thing we're going to we'll make sure if they're back.

What's facta-fakta? The second, need to puttaskan fixie that we do or we're sumpulkhanes because facta that's not be able to

change, if facta do you back, if it's wrong, yeah. Fakto can stay the same. Indonesia, during, he's a few years and so again, that's been bankrupt, that's, that is a fact that, that's not the fact that.

But how we look at fact that can be over time. And, and, and, and, and, and, that, we're still, kazi-ulang, with, more, perspective, we're, we're,

we get, so, so. So, so, wisdom, it's, first, because we're, because we're, But there's more than

wisdom is byproduct from how we interpretatisical fact that. And wisdom is that that's what will be going to go to where. Yeah. Jank, don't know that people in the

world, it's been being people because of thexie, not facta. Yeah, right? Berfixie, it's important, but with a catatant, that you've been that's all right. So it's all right,

so that's all right. So there is a realistic fiction, not a naive fiction. There's a subtle, but it's consequential. Yeah, right? Now, this we're going to go about the the next day. I'm that's that's that's

many of India, from India, in the other America and Europe, that's been global. How, so there's a person digital that are basisks in Indonesia can be global?

And this is the kind of this is really, really, not only the idea Indonesia, but you know what I mean, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, like, a bit idealistic, but it's important to we're high-all,

so we can give inspiration to the kids' young to the people who are to hearin, so that they also know what what they're doing to do, so that's about their to make up. Yeah. There's a problem that I'm not making in Singapore, you know,

gettem with startup that there, then, and then, gauble, and then, and then, with, with, what's the answer you want to do this, market you to where? I'm going to start-haping that. Hamper that's from the start-up that's from, he's going to sell product that to the

to the minimum, Asia. Why? Because not have been a big idea. Yeah, market in Singapore just so that's just so that. If he's just in Singapore, not going to live, he, he's not going to do for a person. So, the... The otheran their...

...emaxa them when they're like, ...are global, if not global, you're not global, you're not. Yeah, 270 reds that's the people, the people who's the people, we're using market that's not just making

out of the world, Indonesia just, we're, but on the same token, Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu also, with the pastar domestic that's big, because they're internationalization. Exactly, that's it. Sorry, I cut you off.

This is, this, what, or not good, if we're good, when we're good, you're good when you, if you're doing, because market we're good.

That's not saying that's that we're going to say that's about usher, not just to say, that's, you know, that's, you're going to all right and you're all right and you're just,

out of the country, don't to do, you're not, but, you're going to. In one, one, the other side of the negative is we're the negative that we're being the raja local.

Now, as a matter of Singapore that, because it's been able to be thinker, it's a lot of course of mindset. Balit again to Tenson Ali Baba daddy. The,

the guru English that, the name's Jigma, that, maybe because he did he's not sure the language too,

I don't know how to be able to It's like that's people in the other than people who are in English, and in the pacu with SARS because Alibaba, you know, that's the other than tour guide. Yeah, that's the guide too. By sheer luck, he's

he's got to the person named Jerry Yang who's been by the government to be tour guide to enterin Jerry Yang, founder of Yahoo, to Great Wall of China. In fact that's it's in the world.

There's been, platform digital. Now, then, he's in the room his friend's in Seattle or what. He looked search engine,

then he kept, you know, the first one that he ketick about? Forge, by Jackma. Chinese beer. Not get-tem-turt. In there,

he, it's, China is undiscovered. Many incidents and he gaggaglety more many. Now, that's interesting, that by sheer luck, he'd getemned jari. Yeah. Artin'a, in one point of his life of his, he was unlocked how he

to look at the scope that he can't get up. Trenata, I can play the level of the world. Now, back again, U.K.K.M. our Indonesia, first, we, we, we, we're a country, gemah, ripah,

Chinoa, all the, and so again, and, and, we're, we're too, with the market that's very big, and we're back. And we're broughtem, to, in the market we're in here. maybe, that's just, that's just that's about what maybe,

how we can't get in the moment shir-luck to be able to the other people or people or work in yeah,

just to go not just, take, or, or, you know, just get-a-a- -kind-you-

I'm-a-sing to come-a-stap- that's-a-a-stap-it-a-a- like that, you know-a-can-sihing. I'm going to say that's like that's like that's I'm out of course I'm gonna say that's gonna'napa, you're gonna'nambu'u'an

you, you're from India, you're from China, from from from America and they're not there's not one of the one of the other, and that's more important than you than you don't even when you

listen your in class like that because if you're saying that you're in class you can't do you can't do you but you're upkutuble, But you know, you're going to talk about, you know, from Macaquehacka, that. So how we're in heirsque that

that's as many as much to the people of our people. If we're doing system that, it's great, too. I'm going to use metaphor, golf. In the calang of the golf, or in the calang of the ahi-haelph, that there is a pepatah.

If you practice more, you get luck here. Same, yeah, you have you have to make people to make up to placate, not-pap-a-pacet not-papap. But you've been born again, you can't. Now, that's how to we unlock the people Indonesia, to be able to be able to be able to Singapore, to Malaysia, to Hangzhou, to anywhere, yeah, supros-sukor, can to Silicon Valley.

So they can't know, and it will make them lucky, if not luckier. Yes. Yeah, right? Yeah. Now, how, there's one, two, or one hundred people

that's based in Indonesia, like, C, this, can, is gila, unstoppable. Yeah. There is no apparent weakness. because gaming or games, it's been able to play set.

But they have kind of nearly perfected. So, so this is this is a barrier to entry that can't be remacken. If you want to play in vertical vertical line, it's barriers to entry's. Tipes. Now, this, sorry, this is back again, this is back to the world.

Yeah, right? Not too care about talenta. Yeah. I'm more worried about fulus. Sorry, I'm a bit, but this relevant, lo. Ration of duet-breder

to the economy we're 45%. Ration of duet beder to the of the world of America, Europe, or the Europe, barat or Tijuana, that's 150%-250% in Singapore,

it's 125%. This, if not the naikin jarum from 45%, succour, it's up 100%, it's a lot, because we're going to

be able tolegue with 6-7-tourn. Because the money in this is in the pipa, but if this is in this, But if this, that's up to $45% from economy, and that's $100% and that's duet sabar.

Gila, actualization. There's 100 unicorns that's that's in Jember, Pulau Rote, Wamena, Acheh, Tarakan, Keebumen, Sucur, Shooka, Jabag. Yeah, yeah? Now, this, how this? he has to seepike, if not, if you're finite. Sorry to say.

I want to ask, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to talk about, if I'm not sure, this is, you're not sure, is transportation, marketplace, garis-maring retail,

and financial services. But, but there's many sectors that don't disrupts, energy, pertanismac, pariwisata, and if you name it.

And if you're going to gaza of the money, jasahuehs, from the PDB our economy our ratio that's the next to the nougar and thegarsia that minimum 100%. So it's the delta 60% is it's $700 million dollars per-a-one. I'm thinking how to I can't make it can make sure that I can't make sure to go to energy, pariwisata, healthcare, education,

Pertanian, peternacanagan, so long, delta in the financial service this, this, just not just because it isn't not to be pertain. Help me. How, how this? Mombing disrupts, that's been said, Pagitt,

that's been, that's really, clearly, jelas, it's disrupted, but there are different What's what? If you have been, like, well, it's up, yes, it's supposed to be able to be it,

with the telemedicine, and that's the other, even even significant. If we only stretch the surface. If we're going to be it back, if we're going to be it. If we're going to be it, if we're going to be the most obvious

just obvious just, like, like, peckbunan, the cyclos is a long. So, I'm about, I'm about the other and one of the same one

that's one that's that they're not there but when we're looking looking right, the disrupts is there, it's actually there, but it's very

very, how, because, because the disrupt that's just up the level of service it. So,

how much the drone is up against how much of the and soageryl, vertical dark, vertical farming, and sogain. So, it's at level technical litmus, but it's still to disrupt the business model. Now, we're just a lot of disrupcy of the same that's usually at level business model, not at the level of technology that's being used. But it's not be able to be it's just a matter of time.

It's just a matter of time just, Now, now, now the level of the tachy-leitism. Education, I'm... I'm very much more than education, you know, that's going to belajana, I'm going to learn with Papa Gita about this, passion I also there, sir, I'm sure to disrupt.

The policy of Panadim, this, quite, make panace, as a bigot. I'm like that's a lot of the boat. Whatapun that's the gothaping the this, muddhawned it will make sure a revolution in the penidiccation.

I, I, I'm going to be, assuming that, like nothing to lose. If, even, it's not really, I'm going to beckon, two years, I'm doing,

and other and so much more than that's about that's about that's about that's something I think I'm gonna'n't. So, that, kapal, uh, uh, and we're, and we're, it's all-u-su-su-su-su-suit,

come-hati, and, and, actually, that's something needs to be done. So, that's just, it's just,

it's just, people are, people, people, people, than to do not have been able to do so much more than I'm going to because just do-go. We have done something that's really amazing that's amazing,

it's my friend my, who's, who's, who's been a while, he's got to be able to be able to be able to beck, and then when it's back, I'm going to get it. This, this, this, I, I'd want to pay fordick to do to make up to education,

tokshysa, maschisovs, like, gregi, malas I, I'm just getting around just. I'm going to be able to make up. I know. But, I'm not going to be. But, it's a bit more and risk in policy making

is, not there is policy implementation. Yeah, right. Making is one thing, implementation is another. The risk is two is or not only the insinambung. Besok, the Mentry's the Ganty,

he's reprecuttee, which is the other, which is the other, which is a long game, you know, but it's a long game, yeah, so it's going to policy making, it's,

the same thing, in the world, there's many process politic that subject to cyclicalities, four or five years, That's we're belgue. So it's not be able to think 30, 40, 40, 20, 40,

time to the next to 20, SMP, SMA, that's going to be called for 20, 30, time, so it's not to be it. And that, you have to build that sort of risk in cranks'papot, that kind of, But I'm very but I'm very much

under DECA-Blajure because it's not the concept that's I'm saying that's important to make democratization idea Yeah, right? Merdeka-beladger What's sort of like

democratization of learning Yeah, right? Now, that's idea and we can't de-democratize ideas. We have to democratize ideas. I'm going to be a great, this is too early to opine,

or not. And it deserves a runway that's just a long. Yeah, that's just a long. That, how, if I think, if I think, I think, for the education is important, to... and

and and the runway the way to the right. I always ask, every nara-sumber, gambarant in 2004-five, how,

if I was going to bring in 2004-fif-five, it's garring-gris, but I'm not going to have to come as much, like, I said at the first, I have my hopes high, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm after the other, I'm going to come up.

I'm not, I'm going to learn as far as in-rouping. They've got to make sure to make sure. They're going to make sense of it, even. even if they've got to. even if they're going to make sure to make sure. So, if 2004-In-A, that's going to look, I'm not going to be of my son. Because that's the dunnation of their.

I don't know where at that at that time. So, I'll get the other than that, and and they're the people and they're looking people who's trying to make sure to make sure people,

Mr. Nadim, with Merdeka belajarned. I have my hopes high is really. Harapan's high. But then,

but then, there, there's a thing that's that's a thing that can't we can't

because, because, because, But for the same, when I'm going to help you like the company, about the company, the government,

which is, who's being, more, more, I'm going to beinnovation that I'm, I'm, so much,

I'm going to be able to my heart, my, my, my, man, this, this, oh,

it's, when I'm going to, get to be able to get to be people, man, they're coming, they're,

why, this, lawyer and so again. I'm even in the I'm even though I've been having to have purguron thing, there's been there's an

there's easy, you can, buy the other like that, but all right, yeah, we should talk. We're very happy. That's very much.

But then I'm owing, that, that was that's smacked, man. Now, there's a time, investor, isinia.

Because I'm about it's in the I'm going to be a new value from the system that's I'm going to becebacquate to low value activity that's not directly it's really value of the money

and so much and so again and it's more the perquant when I'm when I'm in program campus medigua Padem

and get-in- -comus and so-be they're still has to beaqas for the program for the independent and magang and so baguang and so the partanguant and the pletour deacon, docent, and the government

and so many, there's a guy who, who's been, must be like this, and this is going to begras. So, so, so, so, so,

so, so, maybe now it's not the right time, that, but, this, mumping, man, the matter, but,

if, if, if, if it's , if it's about, again, it, repot again, the, Because of the other than that's like, like,

the sameot of the pentok, that we've got puttok that we have got power over it. Because, yeah, it's just how much, bureaucraciness like that, the boss'n't-gown-begitue. I'm just a percent of the plaintiff, as you've been, I'm like that's what we're like that's amazing

our little bit more than that's no doubt in there so yeah, so problem that's where tumbled you know to look at um... people who'd in the world

and he'd back to Indonesia Sengsara in Indonesia sadd-bant that and the people who're brilliant

not the not the not the country asking after that we're saying you're not nationalists just you're not

bro, like this way, like that, like, when, in the human, like, so, don't even though, that's the only, that's the way, that's high, that's high,

like, it's like, it's down to be down to be able to, that, yeah, you know, the,

the world, that's not sineh it, but, but, that, that's, it's, really,

actually, I, I'd give to time, to give us, to God, to live this so,

so, And what can you do about it? Because legacy we can't with what we can't take on our children of our children our children, and if we still have to do something about it, maybe we're not gregersa it. And that's okay. Because we do it, it's not for us,

but for our children, our children, our children, our children, our children, so, mimpie that's still, and, and, to question, Mr. Gita, I was like what I'm like, I'm I'm looking for the aspect that hopeful rather than what I'm not having to give up.

And sometimes taking a step back is actually a step in the right direction. Yeah, right? No, no, maju, sometimes you just gotta take a breather. Take a step back. Merenu, nafas. maybe it's right to take a step back.

Kumpuling energy like, yeah? Belejure, like, and chagrin, and sometimes, even the other, even though, even though, is the wrong

that's wrong. Mundur, it's, can be in the right direction. And then we can go to the right direction. And then, then,

now, I still, actually still there's been, but this, but it's it's just too-battas. I'm going to be on the last, me, about metaverse,

garis-miring. Yeah, topic that's the great-a-vers, the blockchain. I want to hear the pan-a-hand before I've got to tell you talk about metaverse, it's like we about about

about 20 years ago 20 years that they Ramek, there's always there's pro and cons, there's haughtirate, there who's having expectations about internet, and now we've been

the era internet, where internet doesn't be the internet not just the and it's like the positive and the negative, there, there maligny there,

but there's there, there's just like, this is life, just the difference, but the other metaverse is, evolution of internet.

that's not so much about human behavior, but more than the technology so, like, if we're going to access internet, you have to use two-dimension, like, with tablet, with desktop, if we're not going to be able to

be it, soal-allah, we're being in the world virtual that. But, human behavioral, if we're majority, if we're matured, then we're matured, then we're going to be able to but we're going to be sure.

But in the same, if we're justarer now, immature, using internet, such to use to use, on the internet, it's to be the back to the web, so,

so maling, will be maling, in the internet, he maling, in the internet, he's maligned, in the internet, he's, guru-ahyka-ah, yeah, yeah, can't bea-cawapinged

that's about, that's amplification because if now we're still be jared with internet, nanty-can immersive internet that, how-wattir-nation, malign-lipat-ganda, level of the malingan, yeah.

But, again, I, again, again, I'd again, again, the beaica can't can't even if you can't even if you're like because of the campus in the universe I'm gratis-in to everyone or just like to make blockchain just

so people can buyer right to guru so not pay to campus yeah so so the guru's as well aseatra because of the campus because of the massiswaguer also byer you can't pay for what about, model patronage, so

possibility of the ability to be able to get-bucked. Then, back again, if we're back, if we're going to use technology for good, we'll have, the same. If there's a person who's

maling, they want to use technology for malign-nigh-un-nation, then there's a place that's very... ...sangentary for them to run-dust-kind-in-narringan-neigh-nation-it-bago. I mean,

that, if... If we're still like to be regulasi internet, when we're going to beaverse, it's not a wacana, but it's just a real-beenar-caidation. I can't... Okay, la, I can't remember merit from the perennelian metaverse and also blockchain. But I'm at all right-air-re-re-neying

about what we have to waspaday. Yeah, right? If you're going to metaversity, this is about cat in the 20-80-a-an, like, like, not even when Indian people people, it's virtualization

that's not in actuality, or that's skepticism. Escapism, yeah. Now, that, virtualization, it's come with escapism. And,

that has to beaversity, it's a certainrunging to something infinite. It's not be bunkered. And, something infinite, it's merendhacking-nick, not making-nick-nilay. Because the value is going to if it's finite,

or the unit-init-in-it-in. But, But if there Metaverse Prime, Metaverse double prime, Metaverse triple prime, this infinity-in-initin'n't. Yeah, right? That's that we're not... ...uner-noticea-one-a-hue-harmes the day-day-a-day-a-tri-a-tri-a-tri-a-tri-trivate Okay, okay.

Yeah, we're going to matrix, to mettaversity. Sucur, we can be sure we can be able to beaacizabeth. Then we go out of matrix, we back to the room we at Pondock Labu. We're going to doleyser. But this we're back, back again to matrix. So, it's like a drug.

Yeah, right? Now, this I'm not, I'm not not not not not not, not but this education is important, yeah, on the per dayance. And this point that we have to to the other than the young the other chain this, 120, 120% per time.

Banyk the many of not think about energy energy. Bitcoin, one of the billions of the that's one-one, that's one-and-a-torn, using energy, 130-Terawatt, same than what's in

Argentina in a year. And if I'm about with the young of the millennial, what other, they're like, they're going to get-euroin'

every day, you can. One, I said, they're not just, you have to be it because of who's who's making a bagu, who's who who who's making a lot, yeah, right? Because they're being too-dice, I'm gonna go to be choan,

only to make them with two jempole again. Yeah, somebody needs to produce, and, what, and, and, the, and, then, and, to beaacques to Glasgow or Paris, this has to beaurecans, And, and the other-can,

still-cability-not-mobligity-na. Want-haw-gaw-gaw-mong-solar, like, to-mong-mong-pans-bom-a-mong-nonged, to-mong-pans. Scal-n't-a-a-a-a-l-a-l-l-a-lostlecallon-a-one-allon-a-one-one-lunk-allon-o-lunk-o-lank. for the environment, barring accidents or incidents, like in Fukushima or Chernobyl, in 2011 and 86.

But, statistics is just that the number because nuclear, it's in the above 3,000, per time, if not the same, fossil, it's jutaan because of pollution and everything. Now, this is to be bunkus, in, to look up to look up to look solusing, we can't

we can't but weak-sane-can-dir, but it's just-an-a-you- energy-o-ki-and-amant-a-linkung-an, and not to bea-finity, but it has finite, so that value proposition that's, it,

be jaged with good. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-oh. That's, the critiquant the best part-earned is Bitcoin, the bigotraiser's energy that's very big. But if we're talking about cryptocurrency that's other,

there's also kind of crypto that's not like... which is more environmental-friendly. So, actually, alternative to make a lot of the environment, but we still have crypto-currency, there's, just to look at it later. Then, kittal only to look at the time. Then, kittal to, yeah, the other than that, you know,

making easy money, game, right now, like, like, like, like, like, trading like that. Because he's playing the crypto, now, NFT, making quick bucks with NFT and and soagrean. Can we, we can't even make people to making Chuan, that, yeah.

But the most important, maybe, yeah, like we're saying, is, is education, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, to be thinking, to be sure, a long-changue, because of the because of the because of the risk of the more narrow

the way we're looking making quick bucks if you're going to be able to not much because there's because there's no, there's a facility to do that. So, making to see, facetessing there in the hand their own. So it's a bit of usasah to, we're making at least that

that's not good. Just to responsibility our way that's like our people, our people, about, let's get in our people, or, probably, gnazarin, about, go, don't mind, if you're going to go, if you're going to make, what you're going to make up.

Pake, bas-eas-a-basin super, saddrahan, but, actually, that's just in mind making time just just, you think, you're just going to beck and you're going to be able to you, you'll have,

you know, if you can't do not even education, that's like, okay, making quick bucks, that's not that's not, but I'm going to say, but I'm not sustainable, we're going to educate America.

So, that we talked in the first about the money sabre that it, it's not just investors that who have money but the people

economy also, also has to have to have been able to have abound that's about that's positive again again that's my hopes high is is that is

being in front of being not c'uant at all be able, because because I want invest to start-up better than

people who people who I want to buy barren, I'm going to buy buy barren, I'm just a dayan so on the onset, day, omiturnsat, harian. Now, the platformer's not bigotterer, not

umset, highan. Indicator is growth, yeah, active user growth and the other than, and, and, which, that's, they're being,

they're playing the long game. And Indonesia is a like that. Not just just to win this, and then, just, you know,

just, So at the other than you know umkam, one of them k, one of them, is you, we'll, we'll, we're doing,

but be-pickered and be-grap-like-like-ness startup. One of the other one, the thinker-long-game. Yeah. Don't just om-o-sat-om-o-sat-om-set. That's, what you've got,

you've got, sabar, too, the time. Now, when we can't to that's not-it-it-it-it-mudad muddha-madahed-hawed-like

like, that's just, yeah, that's just a bit more, that's not as far as far as, but I'm sure that the person-pessan of my parents'a that's that I'm coming-in my life, so that I'm just to be able, so that's just so much.

What's interesting, is, generation, that's new, that's the new, that's the new, that's the same? I don't know, they're called, Gen. What, what, yeah? Alpha, what is it?

Z? Oh, in the way. There's it. There's other. A, again, back to A. Citi-cidi-cidi-mere, they're,

they're already, so, Dek-a-a-to-git-film, and so-begain. But, what, and the other they, because they've got with a friend.

come to come to talk, talk, talk, talk, he'll make you, he'll just get get it, he's making with the other this generation that's not norah with technology. Bedeer than the other

technology. If you're just, if you're not in media social, not exist, that's not exist, that's not, that's a norah, that's yeah.

Lager at the mega, like in to-o-e- -le-to-te-me-megg. I don't know, like to bea technology. that's about it's about that. It's not really, I've never, when it's a little,

that's not right. But they're who's not just another tool like sand dog, like garbuck, nothing special about that. What's special is my friend who I can't be chanded.

And that, back again, bring my hopes high again. I'm the theme central I'm sorry here about the other than I'm like that's I'm like, I'm gonna'i, maybe, mudaverse, not even there and

blockchain, crypto, and and soagain that, and then, and so again, it's the other than the otheraned it is, they're not a generation norah like I, but generation that's even mature, who, not to look at it as as something that's really

something that we're still we're still, what we're like, like that's like that. They're not just, that's just. Now, 245, we're going to take over many activities, from social, from, from economy, and the country, that they're that they've beenungangy technology for good.

not the other than the other than the other than the other than that's about the other than we're gonna'ra in wow, I'maqsaid the reason time, per-day to, not more than 1.5 to 2 hours. Oh, can, sir, ma'am, so far so good. Wow, genera this, it's been left batas, but

thank you, thank you, I'm here. Thank you're doing. Keep keep it up onward and upward. Yeshallah. Thank you. Thank you, That's Indrawan Nugroho,

founder and CEO of Dijias. Thank you. This is Endgame.