Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Isyana Sarasvati: 10,000 Hours and Serendipity

Episode Date: May 13, 2021

Nature or nurture? Hard work or luck? We are taking a deeper look at Isyana Sarasvati's success and genre choice from her upbringing, education, and experiences moving across cultures.

This ishavena This is endgame. Hello, Taman, today we're in a special person who's person who's great from Indonesia.

Oh, sir. Hey, Shian, what's good. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, this, such an honor.

I'm a big fan of you. My wife, we're all big fans of yours. Thank you, thank you. I'm going to hear you There's not only about the journey of the life. From from from from, from, from, from, from, then to come from, from, from, from,

2003. Taurus, right? Now, then, I was in the first, I'm being a big, PhD, the jurusan sociology and human international. After that, I was back to Indonesia.

One of the other, is S.D. Class 1, and I've been to live in Rumah Eang. In the room Eang. I'm a professor of physical. And I'm... Wow. In Mnigh.

In Mnib. And then, Kaka, I'm a woman. So, Latarbelangue, also, with S2, anthropology. Now, she's a woman... ...you know, ma'amines.

You know, ma'amines, this is a person, who are also, a docent, also, and I'm also a person who's a person who's also discussion. That's amazing. Myrhusen, my father's also a docent. So, I'm being a person who's

who, you know, and I'm getting to meet, when people who are like discussing, the ways, language, it's always tegang if you're always to come to an o'an-a-want-a-lac-or-a-lare

like that, because, I'm a day-a-a-a-o-a-te-o-a-lomom, Tiger Mom, which, the latter-belakang in the music, I guess. Cilassin, Tiger Mom, that's what? Tiger Mom, it's for, this is my, from my own from my life my life. I'm from agri-hand,

and to give-a-lawfulan, and to think I, not much, I can from this without the help of my my mother's really, to really, to make the child to always to do it,

and you can do it. And, there's always there of the problem you've got to be able to. Practice makes perfect. Very tough. How tough? Not tough, yeah.

Because, while while- Even though... More than... More than... ...you're more to be practiced, you know, practice makes perfect. Because Do Tucci,

can, it's really clooped to competition, yeah, competition amat-s-so-strick, people, people, where we're not going to be there's wrong.

And, it's going to be able to there's a lot. So, there's one part, if we're going to go to grand final that we're giving in quarantine 15 minutes. Dicassie just 2-4 bar, notation to make, it's just one of 1⁄2 million. It's just about 1⁄2 minutes, that's a time I can't I'll looka-lopan.

With that, I can be able to be a person I'm very peck to have little here, people who are very disciplined, what's what you're doing what's doing by you? The example is the thing is simple,

when I'm going to competition. I'm taking more, that, it's been booking in studio. Senin, Selasa, Camis, Jumat,

Saturday, that's, school, but also the program school, the only, but I'm going to be able to be able to be able. But sometimes, there's part where there's puberty, like, you know, like, oh, I don't want to be, but, but, you know, but,

you're going to be, you're going to be, there's a bit more, there's a time, there, is, there, no, no.

No, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No, no.

You've done your best. Okay. Yes. Always, it's always you're also, yeah, if you're not your day you're not, but it's not that you're going to be it. Okay. That's important.

Yeah. And what other, is, whether he's to be ammanacan or not, yeah, doing time, or something,

if, if, if, if, so, if, this, I mean, I'm about book for eight-jamb. Yeah, all. Actually, not be checked, really, after seven, eight-year, young, not?

But it's not too. But that's not even though tiger mom, I also always learn, from Bapa, yeah. That, we have, from, we always have to find out in the opportunity, in the situation that there. And then I always have to always

believe that in the constant is a perubhance is a perubhance, that's always, we're always to be able to having a problem that in our lives. And that I've got from the small, to be able to bea to Indonesia,

have adaptation, adaptation of buddh, pola-pick, then, SMA-Kast-2, go to Singapore, I mean, English, it's not much,

you have adaptation, yeah. Yeah, what's, what's, I'm saying English, English, yeah, then, to get English,

yeah, but, it's just, I'm just, so, how to survive, in the pandemic, this,

I think, the life is always , and, even, it's a Dxathe, we can't

be able to , we can't get in but don't have never get given up to the same. Motivation is, the, the gooderate from the other, yeah. Yeah.

Now, try, de-tribed, why can be that's because many, can, the other, in the out, that's used to be able to study, but still not to studio, not want to belajure. But if you,

you're really, you're good, and you're also, that you don't know you don't even be able to be called. Yeah. If I, I see, I'm really, that's not,

that's about, because I have, she did being, feeling, and I'm not, I'm not jagged about, gawmonged,

but I, but I have a good, now, this is damn good right now. Oh, thank you, but, But I'm not thinking about music is one of the medium to be able to expressing in the heart and thinker.

And it's medium therapeutic, for me. From the little, I can't, like, not even more, more happy, that's, it's, that's, it's, it's, to play the piano. And I have, I've got, when we were, we can record, yeah, recordings, that, you know,

when I got, there are recordings, one, recordings, two, three, what, when, did, But I'm always, ma'amai, ma'i, and compoes and composed, when it's just about my own. So, that's just about my way. Okay. And this I'm going to try to correlations

with buddhae who are in the room of time. Because I see, that's success in many of people, it's correlates with buddhae that there in a roomatag. Mugin'n't, not, discussion with the father, or,

or I'ma, That's the other way so that you're always to be called to motivaumotivation to be it. Not to be what's not what you're in context that you in a context that you're saying, maybe it's just by the way to piano just. That's because of the caseratiant

the buddaya that in the room of the house of my. I'm a mother, yeah? Yeah, and in the room of the other, Yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe. Kaka also, playing piano, right? Yeah, but I'm playing piano, too, and you know, maybe, not that? I'm not even to think to that,

so, yeah, so, yeah. But, you know, maybe, maybe, just, yeah, because I see, if I read, there's a book that's outliers, that's that's the highlight, there, there, there are a few one of the culture.

Okay. culture in the home-tangue, culture in the ecosystem, in the city of the home-tangue. And the company's like how, and then, how much, that's how much to be able to find solutions for whatever trauma of the problem that he's left. And, and...

...resuccesses of a person, if, I mean, I, with, you know, not only, but, but, but, the, Kri-Krass. Yes, yes. Now, we're going on the Kras. What that, yeah.

How about a day? Dullo, when it was 8-12 hours. Wow. How many years that was done? From the age of 7 to the same, before Singapore, that's, 16? 16. Yeah.

Okay. Nambung. Because in the book that, it's just to say, sometimes, that's extraordinary, in dimension of whatever, or in athletics,

like, like, olarag, or music, or politic, and whatever, that's the amount of dollars that's allocasican. 10,000 hours low, yeah? I believe. Five-jams a day, it's,

it's, or more, 1,000-jams-town. If you're 5-day, if you're, Well, it's about, it's 10,000 hours. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm saying that. So I want to talk to nature and nurture, too, yeah. Now, how?

But this, but this, you believe more in nature or nurture? This, it's kind of a bit, not all, yeah, Pa. So, what I'm from is, what I'm being given to God to us, without we want, And I think we, in this,

the task of manusia is to change the potential, we can be able to be a set to be capital, and how to do it, and how to do it, you have to do with nurture. Nurture, yeah,

from the linguang, from the community, of the school, latihan, which, I think I'm minimal 10,000 time it, or even,

that, then, with that, we can be able to be model to be able to If you're talking nurture, it's kind of mined that's that's the nature of the environment.

Yeah, the most, maybe, the the other, yeah. And I'm, I'm, and I'm, and I'm a part-and-a-lure-and-law-lank. And if, when I'm actually not going to look at, I'm going to be deline by docent

docademici, yeah, maybe I'm maybe I'm doing docent or, to be a person-lieti, but because I'm doing the nature of my and I have a tiger mom,

I'm, I'm not, And I, what, I, I, I, too, I'm, you, I'm, you know, that God, to give two of the decedasance to me, the cedarsal and the decedarsan personal.

So I'm focused on that. And I, I like, maybe, to look, the people, the potential they, the potential they're that.

I'm, I'm going to that. I'm focused to, we're going to be sure variables that are very, that are really, make-unctum-kind you.

Yeah, right? Now, this also, in this book, where the unsure of the goodunct that's very important, it's very important. Anguplagely there are like you but,

maybe not be clinging by the people like who are like who's like you, maybe just it's not like like you. Yeah, right? And,

timing it's also. Yeah, you're like in 2009-3, that's at the time, where, maybe, internet just started, where, where communication is more can be done

through pipa pips that more more, that's maybe that is also with co-relation with your successan I. I don't know,

but I'm just that I'm just not only the culture, but also luck. Luck plays a big part in life. Let's talk about luck. Do you believe in luck? Do you believe in horoscope? Horoscope?

Yeah. Yeah, it's just to be said, yeah, like, and if you're being abing if you're being, if you're not, not, no, that's,

but I believe in luck, But there are people. But there are people who practice harder, you get luckier. Oh, really? You know? If you don't practice at all, how do you know if you're lucky? Yeah, right? And that I'm really, I believe,

correlation between the Kersersers with the good thing. So you're blessed. Amen. Now, then, if I want to ask, can ask, musicality your and if you're not only if you're not being,

that's what's what's what's it, what's it's being, maybe it's also if you're going to be opera. Duran, yeah, with a latin' 18-12-jambia, that's one of one. And then, also, and then add the time of the time

with the time with competition, make composition, and then, I'm going to go to courses. Because I'm really, I'm going to be able to formal, not formal, so, we're going to competition, and also, also,

also, also, master classes. So, we'll learn many from the genius music this, and even long-long-long- if it's with mentor, with docent.

Yeah, not-lang-long-out the career of their. So, it's always, I'm going to learn, like. If you go to piano, what? What routines of the routine that is done? Routines, what's the routine, what's the time, right, making a career. And, uh, didn't,

before, I'm going to start, before making, make, before, when you're still, still, yeah, because, because, there's,

yes, piano, So I'm like, so I usually, I'm just like, and then, other, it, also, also, it's just, maybe, maybe, maybe, make just, just, gawr. When you're going to be a year?

Umu of seven-year. Umu of seven, yeah? S.D., yeah, that's, that's, you, too, there's also one song that I've created for Hary Ibu. Wow. For S.D. Okay, then, if you're going to, if you're to piano,

you're playing a career, Right. Right. Right. Right. Or composition? Can't. It's like I'm going to put in social media, kind of

kind of, like, like, like, I'm going to just, just post. And I'm going to say, okay, this I'm like I'm going to say. Like, like, one-minute composition, like. What's the whole thing? What's the composition? Emotion? Emotion. Emotion?

Emu. Perasaan. And then? Temperature. Or percal? with heraping with her own? I'm not. I'm more to...

from in-dial-duty, so, only melawaping, emotion, pergumulant that's in in my own or the result contemplation.

Wow, deep. More to reflexes d'y, so far, yeah, the other more, what, what, in the, in a genre, or...

If, if, if, people more labeling it progressive, rock classic, there's a word of classic. Let's talk about that. Okay. You're inspired by, the dream theater.

Yes. Dooloo, that's in, even in the 80s, even about 80s, there's, some, I'm, I'm gonna do you.

Yeah, yeah. The first, that's the name is queen. Who. The two, Pink Floyd. And the three, Rush. Yeah. But if I hear in the songs that's more

n'rapped to rush, than pink-floyd or queen. Yeah, but I'm in the blackie, queen, though, you know. You've never heard, the lagoes rush. Not too much more men-darker. Try, yeah, yeah.

It's, why, so, can't be there to dream theater, queen? Well, actually, if you're disdorsing and instrumentation lines of the piano, it's really classical, but because it's in the unsur distortion, then arrangement full band.

Who? Calpred's who, who's in distortion to your life? Queen. Who who who knowed Queen's not? Bapa. That. That's my. That's my.

She's really with Queen. I like many genres music, Queen, the Beatles, Simon Garfunkel, country songs also, jazz, that's. If you're what you make you like? Freddie Mercury or Brian May or who, who? Yeah, or because there opera? That, the other one of the two, I really, that they're, what they're, what What's what's the other,

making music, you, yeah, not as well as structure, you know, it's just be able to be and then, just, how they're just, if it's just from their heart of their they're let's look and they're not repudely can respond of the other. And that I apply also to mindset I, that what's important, as a symemone,

happy with the carian, and, you know, just, and, yeah, well, just, I just, what, from from heart to to heart too. Okay. To the time, how will be it progressive? I don't know, actually.

Because I make a career that's always quite spontaneous, so, so it's going to momentum and the phase of my maybe, I'm at the time that I want to explore this, genre this,

but not ever to make make sure to say, okay, Because I'm like this, because I also not even I've never been for the same that's gonna be like this. You'll never know.

Okay, we've got monged about about how much-tangue, work-and-careous, what other, which, in which, which, make of the success of you? What other,

yeah, that's the success of my. Yeah. Um... Ibarat-cata, If you could do it again, how would you do it differently to make yourself better? Wow, I've never been thinking. I'm not going to spell out of it, sir, because it's... Or it's...

Or it's okay, it's just too, I'm quite quite. Because I'm not sure, if I'm not sure, the way, like, there's game, that's the time, the time when in computer, if we're just, we can't one, can go-buka many of the way, if it's the next to be bombed, what, yeah, like, what, yeah? Now, I, I think that's like that.

Because we, we're, now, we're going to be in this, in time, that I'm going to be the time, it was, it's been able to be able to, but who know, boom. So, yeah, it's, so I've got,

so, success, success that I've ever a success that I've ever a piece of this, but not to look to back. Okay. I want to take.

Back a little, back a little, to the time in Singapore and in English. Why? Amble a good to go to Singapore and to English? This is, this is, this is coming to the question I, this is the success now, if you're not to Singapore or Colombia?

No. No. This is a really? Okay. So, so... Kupas. First, why, why I'm going to leave Singapore?

because at Nanyang Academy of Fine Arts, there's a fast track, where, when we have certifications to music, we don't even lose SMA, and we can't just go to school. Because now, I'm not so much, you know, after we're going to be able after this, this,

actually, I want to say that, NUS, but he has lost SMA, and then, just try Nanyang, and I'm just, and I have, I have certifications that from the from a year that I'm doing, yeah, I'd, I'd audition. Now, I'm going to majoring in piano.

I want to piano. But two mingue before I auditsy, it's a case of my gips. Ouch. Wow. What? In Singapore or in here? In Indonesia, in Bandung.

Like, I was a CETO-SIS. I was cut, like, it was like, like, bick, day. I mean, I'm going to get a guling. Oh, duh, downed, but it's always I'll audition, or not want to not. Yeah, well, I'm going to get up, just a little, just can't just be able to

but what I'm being a student. And, and, I'm back back up tock, how, even down-bucked-boh, I'm thinking, oh, I've got a certifications that's the vocal. I'm just trying, I'm just saying, can't, but re-audition, but change major.

They're they said, oh, they'll, they're going to go, come back again, come back again, after I'm going to go, yeah, I'm going to get a single, and got scholarship. Yeah, it's all right, yeah, because,

can't get pianist, and be able to be a conductor, yeah, composer, just, I never even imagine the muck'n't the other, but the punguonged, but, but, but, it's not to the vocal,

and I'm not all, I'm also, I also, I'm also, the subject is sure, There's a lot of acting class, there language classes, there, what other, dance class, you know, it's like opera, that's, from that I was

that was the time I'm coming from a journey and to bring me to the tick here. I'm not to learn vocal, not to take, I'm not to take not at the time this day, not can't know technique to sing in classical music like that's difficult,

that's really, that's really, It's very, right. It's always to be hafal by the body, but I'm very, I'm very, I'm going to be. Oh, this, I'm just, I'm saying, why I'm going to be vocal, that's. Oh, that's.

Okay, that's Singapore, right? Singapore. In English? Now, English, it's just made the bachelor degree because Nani who's with R. So, we're called the College of Music. So, we're going to send us to make it.

Oh, not can't do you. To go to English. Yes. than it's a try and then a good. Okay. So, how much of the school in there? Bessa, DeBelang, it's quite if in classical music,

we have to accrued strict. But again, I think, ahmuhlis, oh, I'm pretty much, so, not too not too much focus, with the titic that I'm

too, that I'm going to do you, that's not an option. Yes. True. Top. Top. What's, what's about you, be it? Onyang, who's the krein'am?

Well, yeah, maybe not askeen you. Not so, but... No, ma'am, ma'am. I mean, I'm going to be around. It's really cool, more than that's really. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, 5-10 people, there, don't, you always partying in radar.

Oh, this bye-bye, this amani of this. That's, right, right, right, and it's, part of department other. Because, vocal, I was little, What are four? What like dance or? Or? More to like department piano.

Department of composition. And then department woodwinds. There are people who are from, I'm from, from, but he's from, but it's great. When I saw he's playing, it's, it's, it's, it's, Gapangang, too, obo.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sound that he's put in, wow, sincere, it's, like, it's, you can't, you can't, Yes, I've learned. Yeah, I've learned.

Tenor, Alto? Altum. Okay. Playing lago, what, classic, or progressive, or what? No. Jazz. Yeah, right. So, yeah, I'm gonna.

Okay. Who? Who? I'm not going to do. Okay. There's one name, Candy Dolfer. Okay. I'm okay.

I'm just, like, Died G and Dave Kosh. Okay, okay. So, that's always, I always, I'm really, CD's, if if it's got to the media, oh, he's like to putre, like, I'm going to play piano jazz, you know, piano, jazz, saxophone, jazz, yeah, classic, still, but, still,

learn, A, BR-SM. So I'm going to get grade, if grade five, I'm going to get up, but I'm going to jazz, but, I'm not a bigot-hatie, jazz, yeah, jazz, yeah, so hard, you, pa, you know, scale, scales, and theories, theories, you know, music music, just, who's just,

Who's what I'm going to? Gershwin, that's a bit of a bit of a classic. But the pure jazz, there not? What? What? Du Kalington? A bit too much. Toulonius Monk?

It's too. Chikouria? Yeah. Okay. Herbie Hancock? No. No. Okay.

Chikoria just, it's just, yeah. Yeah, J-Standard, okay, like, back. I was when I was going to bea-train, was a-dalen, like, playing T-A-Train,

playing electron while singing. Yes, it's a little, umura, or 11, that, that was the promparened at one mall, and, if, when I got, the motor, and money, $4,000. Yeah, I'd do, I'm going, to, and then, who's,

but I'm gonna, but I'm, and the one, but I'm gonna, Kee-e-k, like, oh, yeah, would, right, Take the A-Train, the bossy to the winner. It's a great song.

Yeah, very great song. And then, Biola, biola, then, biola, then, so, Electone, piano, Biola. Then, beren't, biola, after having to change three per-emps. And then I tried flute, saxophone,

and then, yeah, vocal, yeah. Okay, if biola, Like, what, classic? Or, like, classical, or... Yeah, I'm a good, yeah. Cheri, yeah, a jama, baka. Yeah, baqai, ma, vocal, no, sure,

so, I'm, vocal, no, sure, so we're, we're talking about, idylla, idola music, and da. Classical music, one of the romantic period, is Olivia Meshian, because he was, it's making from the word,

yeah. And I'm upbawka He made up one recital, because he's very idoling him. Then, there Charles Guno, with compositions that were brought walls. Franchise, again? Yeah.

And Richard Strauss. Okay. And then, if from Baroque Ira or Renaissance, there's Vivaldi, Bach. If classical period, there's Mozart, romantic period, I like with Beethoven. If you're going to choose Beethoven and Mozart?

Oh, so hard, yeah. Different style, sir, I can't. Different style, I can't. Who do you think was the better genius? Oh, do you're going to be it? Oh, wow, Pat. Both of the two-two-s, have had character each-mast.

If from the productivity, I'd pick Mozart. Mozart's, Milder number of 3, 3, 35, 25, Beethoven, um, how not even, five, six, five, seven, if not if you're not.

But, but she's the more right, right, right, and he's the first, and then, right, and what other? What other, classic? Yeah, what other,

yeah? Debussy? Yeah, debussy. Yeah, debussy. Yeah, right? Debusy, too. He, was, he, he, was,

Pentatonic and other, and very and very much morenay music and musicality. Yeah. Yeah. What else? What else? What if you're talking about? If you're being in combination in Queen, Pink Floyd, Rush, Dream Theater,

with Mozart, wow, that's gila that's that out. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I'm going to try, this I'm going to stretch again, okay. For to the future, to make up your repertoire your. What is the plan?

What is it, expand the inventory of music that want to be to hearin? Or it's just, not even to hear musicians, for we can be a career. I'm more... I always...

...and I'm always... ...and, I'm going to learn and... ...and never to keep that thing. Okay. How how how expand it? Yeah, it's open for... ...all about things,

because, again, I'm a bit more than, I'm not... ...punit there's rumus that, like, if you give it's about, to give you to the... Right, I'm not... ...I'm not to... ...but I'm not...

...that I'm... ...the ...theirererererer... ...theirirer... ...the more... ...the more... Maybe it's like this. It's also. Or, dangdut?

Or I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, can be. Or maybe in classic, we explore just musicians that other than explored. Or in progressive rock. Yeah. Maybe it's about rush.

Now, Genesis, did you ever get into? Genesis, I've heard. I've got to hear. Genesis, yes. But I, I'm still, That's really melequat in my heart of my own. But I'm so I'm concerned,

Rush, I think they're going to hear the album. Yeah, right. There's. There are people who, after the last of the new one, they're saying, they're like night wish. I'm going to hear of Osce.

Yeah, yeah. Asly. So, they're also there, or there? There. There. There. And time it's also a bit

You're different. You know, you know, you know, waltz, yeah, three per four, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Did not experiment with 5 per 8, 7 per 8? There's, there. There's, there. In the lago, the key and I'll so on the time signet

time signet to be able. That, if, I think, that's the band that I used in the 10-20-an. What other, Sian. What else? What else? and we're going to move to the other.

What's it? What's it? About it's about your about your that's about to make you to be inspiration for for the community

in Indonesia. Because you're a special talent. Ah, I'm sorry. This not, it's not to get to people who can be creati and this,

and this, if I'm the product of many variables that's really that's very much-enopang to success of your. And I want to try highlight just, or to try to help out what, what can be a good thing?

I'm happy. Purpose. Talk about purpose. Because I, if I've got to come a person, it's a purpose. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Many of people who are better, not success because he's not purpose, or sense of purpose. Do you have a sense of purpose? I have a sense of purpose? one of the only one of the life. If as a musician,

I'd always be able to make a career that be a big up and make up other, from the time, the way, and the more, from the up,

from the back, from, and from, bad, and, because I'm that, that I'm making on the original,

songs, I was about it's not to be un-uncaping in the other things I don't know-knack-a-as-as-as-all from contemplation a son-ineman, from a certain from a person man, from the result of people, it's a life-changing for people. And, you can craving for more,

like, you know, per-cariol-agued, I've never, there's, I've got to, I'm saying, I'm thinking, because of being bingue, can't even like that, wow, I'm really, this, and because I always say, I want, I want to have a career that can be able to help other people, to have something that's something that's

that's about, before I'm at my purpose in life. That's one of the one of the classic, I'm still, I think, I'm going to get my cita-cita-saint-thinked to build a school music. From from the little, when I was from little, because, other than being maestro, is I'm going to build school music

my curriculum and syllabus that's about with me and ping, that I've been because I think, because I'm not sad, not being sad, I'm not saying, I'm saying, I'm going to be able to

people, because I'm, because, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, this, I've, done, you know, I've, long, you know, this, if,

if, if, if, I'm not, but there, but there's many that I've learned that I'm at the success school music that can't be able to be able to people who are talented in Indonesia who should have a room, safe home, that's training,

they're to be making musicians heabat, not only, you know, to learn to be musis, there, there's disciplinean, and how we, what,

you, what, yeah, and, and, that, that, it's, I'm like a peckar around because that's all that I've so much more than I'm being peck to everyone.

Not only as I'm as a big but as a big of a big body. So that's like that. Music Indonesia is like that, so much. Amen, amen, amen. This, if I look, Indonesia, can, sootulner, too, but if I'm very many

times, I'm going to, why, we still just can't win in Grammy? Yeah, right? I've enjoyed, I've been, co-inidination. But there's no reason we can't. Now, if I want to try, cupas, what you can you can do?

What you can do? We can really, really, can't be level of level like that. Okay, I think, you can't, talenta, talent, or even, talent talenta that young, who

who want like you and stuff, that's good. But what other than what can do you? Yeah, this is really, I'm really, because I see from Korea, that's why now can't come that k-pop is marajalala. I also also also

and I'm also and I'm looking that because k-pop this, we're also, want to learn buddhya, Korea, that's heabat. And, and then after I've got to some of the other than a one of the other one of the other, the government's support,

so I'm very, we're also, we also, also, also, support more, like, to get, for, you know, for, like, connections, to, like, to gawonged,

the mancha, like that, like that, because, the support of people are really that's really that we're being put in here, to venue, or to where, community, what,

it's actually, to help us, so that's more to know. Because what I've seen, actually, music is, many be minati by the other but we've got

access, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, if, but,

the, the end of the same-of-the-court. Yeah, right? Yeah, but at the end-unjung-unct that, yeah, who's at the end-unct. That's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, if I think, swasta, more, be more than,

this, how the government can be able, what, or, mungang, or mucucucing them to more, to more, but... But, But, now, Now, now, if in 5-10 years to the

to 10 years, will there again, ishiana? Ooh, wow, more than Isiana, there, maybe Isiana version of vocaloid, like, now, like, 25 years, I'm going to conserer

not Isiana as a human, de, do you, do, like Hatsunei, Shapa, who, Hatsune Miku, you know? Do you know, Vosan? But I can't even be able to be it.

Yeah, that's, I think the people are more than the concert I do, like, yeah, vocaloid. Yeah, I feel like 25, 25. There are hologram. Yeah, there's. Yeah, it's great, yeah. In Japan, maybe it's like that,

it's like, yeah, that's, that's, that's, yeah, that's. You're not, is, the peran computer, or the ceredasan artificial? Succa, see, because it's, support my career also.

Because, after the other than, video clip I also, I'm also, but if, if there's computer that can be able to get in the sound, that's how, that's, it's,

the authenticity of talent. Yes, yes. Yeah, I, it's at that I'm had made, I've got Planned B, like you know, or what's a plan B.

Or what plan B? What plan B? What's the plan B? What's the robot or robot? Yeah. Yeah. So, I do. So, I do you're going to orbit in artist,

this, can have recruited and but the artist is robot. That's, so. Try to try a way to be to be a life, to adaptation, that. It's, it's. It's, it's futuristic,

to the front. I, I, We often talk about the cerdasasan artificial and also the cedasasan biologous. You are not with concept to how we can't make up to make up to our own, with the power of artificial intelligence or biological intelligence?

So, yeah. So, there are 100 people like Shiana. Or even better better. Ah, God. It's just to renunked with it. But it's very, I think, I'm not. Yeah, right? But, I can't answer, like, now.

Yeah. No, but, but, if, I think, this, it's, it's, to be think, to be true. In Korea, what, yeah, it's, they've got kind of with the power of computer,

the power of artificial intelligence, and, and, and, and, I'm not, not not-munkim- Yeah, that in time it's very. Yeah. Dunia music in there, the film, it's been from 10 years ago.

C.G.I. It's already from 10 years last. Okay, we've got to talk music. Yeah. You're taping in NKCTIHI. NKTCHI. How that?

The other? Thank you, though, can't be in that thank you, though, this is very, this is very, because I'm not there dialogue,

I'm not there. I hope I can say, I've been playing film, I got to do not even not go-mong. But it's not it, but it's just it's been called. Yeah, I'm going to talk. Oh, I've ever played film, before Enkartee CHE.

There in film Millie and Mamet. Okay. But it's more about comedy, like, yeah. But in NKTCHI, it's actually more focused to the insetre soundtrack, actually. Yeah, I'm really, I'm not sure,

with the album lexicon this that many people say, oh, it's a lot of people who, it's really, like, but it's really, but it's still be with soundtrack, film, but there's still that so, I'm again,

I'm again, I'm gonna get up to the heart and you're up to hearty, and it's, it's all of the way of it, everything I have, whatever, the genre, and the other,

And then, it's... How, how many... Wow, 40 minutes. In film, then, what's the next thing? I think I'm going to be... I'm going to be open, because, actually, when we're we're also, we're also,

we're doing theater, yeah? Acting class, but... I'm not... ...there who's already going to play Jishikovat, don't I'm... Now, that, what, the film of Lady Gaga? A star is born.

Oh, that. It's kind of, yeah, it's really, but it's a big-bue musical, I think it's really, but, but a person-yang-y it's not that he can't be acting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. I can see you in the film industry.

Oh, really, yeah. Oh, this is, it's, oh, this is it, not going to be, so, so, yeah, so, just, uh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Let's just, let's see,

let's see if, if opera, how opera, how about? One, two, note. Woo-hoo! Oh, okay. Oh, okay. But this, I'm not-lurek it, no, no, no. No, no.

Improv again. I'm not going to be it. Wow. Lugue. That's judeau, that's jule of the jewel song. That's great. That will inspire so many people in Indonesia. Amen, amen.

Okay, this I'm going fast forward. Indonesia to the front. I always talk about Indonesia to 245. Okay. What's 100-town in Indonesia? Yeah. 24-town, again. Now, this, can, I've seen,

the government has made the government that's more than can more than how much more than the right of cipta. Yeah, right. Now, this, if, I think, it's a long-a-bri-bases, to appreciate, yeah, if you're in the world creative.

Now, this, if you're playing, the music, in hotel, in restaurant, or at a lot, there's, there's a royalty, right? This is not too disciplined, right? Yeah. But already, man, there's been there are.

Now, this is, maybe more than it's more than it's more. Yeah, more discipline, too. Now, I think, I'm in terms of the of the long of the many that are being taken to the front. How can you see Indonesia to the future 2045?

Waddu, this is really, this is really, it's really, you're 28, now, now? 24, and now is 252. In 52, you're still be creati, same, sure. Amen, I, I see,

I'm trying to, this is a dream, yeah. I've got school music. Amen. Record label, I've, have talent talent that's been banghackan.

And, also, I'm a little people are different, you know, there are linear, the traditional or modern, or modern, there's what I'm saying that's like a cyclos, like,

so can back again. If I'm back, if I'm really, more dialectica, like, that, trilogy, tithesis, antithesis-intestis. Like, for the korekawin' if I'm gonna say, vocaloid,

so that's, that's kind of technology or even genre. Maybe jazz, the test of jazz, which is a sort of improvisation, blue notes, kind of stuff, can't be able to anti-sacist. It's a classical music and it's something new, synthesizing, I'm like that. Because it's also I've taken in music music, but, maybe, it's not too mainstream, like,

but maybe in 2004, it's something that, Maybe that's something that's something that's like, well, that's, that's, like, that's every day, like, when you're still like to be like, like, like, like, like, yeah, like, yeah, like, maybe 2001 is like that,

and then, maybe, not people who are people who are being, being, being here, we're not focused to the stage but we're focused on the stage, but we focus on the robot for the mangum, for the vocaloid

is more than, more than, Maybe. But, again, I think, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, school music and record label, I'm successful, I'm still be a career, to give them back to people, to help other, and then,

before. This, is, all of the beckal. Yeah. Becal is, because, you're, now, you're,

you've got, been underpendapatant. Yeah, right? Yeah, much, it's just a good, It's just a good. Yes. Yes.

Can't be. Inshallah, right? Ami. Now, this, what is the isititization? How we can monetization? This pipa, YouTube, it's been monetize. And from record label you can monetize. From school, it can be monetize.

What else, is, what, that's, that can be monetize, so you can't make a legacy that's great for generation of the people. To the end-games, I'm going to, school music, is there, not? It's not going to leave legacy?

If it's not even more monetize. Yeah, right? Yeah, right. Because, we're going to learn what on YouTube, you can't be able to be. Right. Right. Yeah, and to learn music classic, dung-dud,

progressive, heavy metal, rock, blues, jazz, It's, it's all of them. To be like to be able to dook-sulap, it's mewethe. That's, if I think, it's elitist, but demand-neigh-it-a-you-do. That, what other? I want to try to rex the business you.

How, how, how? Ah, because, so, you know, so you can be able to be sustainable, that's kind of the end uptasance, can be able to be resinambungan, as you can

can you can't make a legacy, which is for generation for in in in in in in in inerous. And if we're going to getarcy penurus, we're going to be long, until 2045 and beyond. Yes. Yeah, what, is what is it that is about if you're going to

do with as a musician, the old, can, before COVID concert, yeah, from the album. And, And, if from YouTube just enough, for the pandemic,

or, then, there's been for concert or what, or, like, more? After pandemic? Yes. Yes. We're, well, forget it. We're going to happen. We've been for concert,

for tour, too. But that's all, it's been but we're just to be in the pandemic, but we still still still, we're still just in the after the bigiaghan it,

we're, we're going, we're going to, local, or international? We want guide local and international too, inshawl.

That's a purpose, international, to make proextican Indonesia, not only isiana Just. It's a big mission. How's it? How much, it's the plan?

The plan is, I'm not even I'm having a team. I'm going to be here, and I always have to give up to the gagsan that I've put to my team this. Because I, I, sorry, what,

because I'm, I'm always, I'm going to be able to people, not just so, it's about And then, it's not about, it's little, for now, but we have vision, that's the same,

with a visi mission that's a certain frequency, so if you're an official team now, that's mine, I've got to be, this is a gagasin that I've got just, I'm going to let me, gai gina, gina, this, target, this, this, this,

y'an, that, that's more chagued to make, you know, how, what, you know, like a way, like, it's like, if you're going to be it. But it's important for you have a vision, so that's the team executions just, that's going to be able to,

but, what I'm trying to punching is, in the mission of your vision, there, no, purpose to to make internationalization in Indonesia. Because, like, I'm going to, like, I'm going to bea-gamous, Indonesia, is, it's the biggest number-normer-n-n-four in the

democracy the number three in the world, the country Muslim in the world, but if we're to many of the places in the world, they're a bit more good-dung. Yeah, buttool, now Indonesia, or sometimes, you know, Bali, yeah, and, and, and, and, if there's a cabar that's

okay, there's banjure, like, there mbap, there, there, there, there, but this, it's where soft power, this can be buwagh-and-power, and soft power, it's from, from people creative, like you. Now, that's when you know, you know,

people can't, there Rich Bryan, there Joey Alexander, there Stephanie Putry, there, there, there, there is Shiana Sarasvati. Now, I think,

we can't really, we can be. Holy cow, he's in Carnegie Hall. Oh, amen, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How that? Well... I think, see,

to see, that's realization. Amen, amen. Maybe one of the one of the one of the most of the tour to out, yeah, sir, yeah, have. That's one way.

Yes. Have to beaunticant Derry. And, maybe, you know, joined with other people who maybe

even more than you in the world international. Yeah, right. Yeah. Like Celine Dion, before, when at all the time up for Brian Adams.

Nobody knew her. Nobody knew her. Okay, okay. If people want to watch Brian Adams, in the one of the warm-up of the Celendion. Tibba, Tibertimore, right,

now, Brian Adams has been left from Celendion. Yeah, yeah. Now, that, when you know, you know, you're from Indonesia, oh,

wow, it's, this great really, that's soft power. What do you think? How do you think? I'm giving you ideas.

Yeah, ma. Bechart, don't it. I have, yeah, I think, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, for now, maybe, in detail or technicist, we're still... You have time. You're still young.

28. But I'm just, I'm just, I can. I'm just, I'm just, the body manuset, you're like Lampu aladdin. Right, Which is my command?"

Yeah, if we say, it's not, it's not, you know, it's my command. It's never to get to the end up to the end up to the point of the I'm saying, I think, it's just, you know, the secret, but it's, it's, it's, you know, your wish is my command,

and I'm going to. I want to ask, there's a girl that's great really, Alicia Keys. You like her? Yes, I like her. You see yourself as somebody like her? Agha bit, genre.

It's kind. It's great, really, yeah. Yeah, but ballad you're not just, javis, but you're not just, yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's just to be able to be

under you. Yeah. Can cross. Yeah. How? Nah. Cren, so,

don't stand-in'am with Lyshikiskees, that's great, role model, because I was, You know, with my kakakak. Dream big. Oh, yeah?

You've got a dream big. Oh, yeah. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Diana crawl. That's a bit more jazz.

Yeah. I've heard, Sarah. Yeah. Yeah, can. Yeah, can. Can play piano, and, and the sound, yeah.

That, if, I mean, it's, yeah, benchmark, like, or acuance, or, or, like, What else, what else, for Indonesia in 2004. For Indonesia, 2045? For Indonesia? For Indonesia?

For the President of Indonesia to the Oh, do you, bah, it's very, but... ...arens how many times. There are five cycles again, right, right?

There are some president of the women, in 24 years? This? This? Can't, it? One, one, two, maybe, yeah. I think that women have a man have

the right and the right of the same, we're equal, that's, you know, I'm not going to be able to do that. We're equal. We have had a lot of in the life social, especially biologous, yeah, not maybe Bapa may sue you. We can do what men can do,

too. Yeah, and that's women's power. Yeah. I'm seeing that it must be, what, it's like, target target like that, that it's a kind of a certain between the women and a man. And what, from the side of what, what is it,

what is it that we have to get a Grammy, we have to win Oscar, we have what, as a Pekuance to be the capacity creative we have to hausasusan like that. Yes, yes, we have to win Grammy, because, actually, in a quality, we can. Very, we can. Oh, wow, right.

Oh, right. Now, yeah. NARISTER, right. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, we can, we can, if we're, if, if, in the world, I admire I pop, Indonesian pop, so it's not even, I love K-pop, I love I pop, I love I pop,

you know, we can, it's just we can. Bollywood's already there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but, yeah. Okay, what other, Shana? What, yeah? What, yeah?

There's a plan to go to school, I want to build school? I thinkin. I think, it's the thing right, to go to the S2. But, it's the way it's here to try and to be

entertainment, that's really, even to forget, to go to go to master, if I was going to make master, not going to

not going to opera, but not, but it's music producing. Wow. I like that. That's that.

I think that's more, I'm going to be it more than I'm going to ask. Now, I want to ask, there was a nara-sumber that in the in the world creative, he, it's a kind of a kind of a while to loomun every day. Oh, right, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, to learn,

inspiration. And, I mean, I think, that, it's also to be able to be able to be able to I want to ask, if you're going to everyone, every artist, they'll have to them to come to someone. One of a certain. Jensuh.

Now, that's, ever, not, melewate, titic, titic, and if it's, umpamah, nanty, nabrake,

them, that's not like, that's just to piano, it's just not like the other. If it's not even if it's not enough, that's not enough, that's, that's kind of part of the titic kegenuhan. That's what we can do or you do

to be re-charge or repurpose? If I'm, if I'm, I'm not even if you've made music, well, I've never, but if you're with habit of mangung, a lago of the same, that's maybe, it's been, so, until here it's been brought to, no, no, no, not just to be mangung, so,

so, so, so, so, so, so, so, but I'm, but, I'm very much, it's a lot of a coping mechanism. I see. So, yeah, not ever jenew, yeah. Because I'm rather, I feel like to survive because I'm writing because I'm not a medium other to me to tell what I actually I've got to

if people can know me, the majority of listeners and product Indonesia might, oh, Ishanna, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who's who, who, But, actually, can be looked from the work of the other than that, but you can't even more deeper than that.

But you can't even find out where, just it's just by the way. Because I have no ability to to tell it in the way narasie and kata. But it's music, like, what I'm representing what I've got, if you're banjinnu, not. This, with assumption,

you're perfectionist. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe not, if you're if you're to the alat music, that's not as good as you as you want to as you want to? Maybe. Cereing, but not it's going to do not do you. Now, what that's the thing?

Playing game. Ah, that's what I want to know. And with foodie and with gamers. Take a break. Yes, take a break. But, it's the nought in the room. Detach, desengage, And then, at the right time, back again.

Right, right. Yeah, right. Now, it's maybe episodic. But, it will be a series of the same episodes. True, true. The same episodes. That's what I want to try to know, because I've got, I've never

like that like that. If one episode just, it's not just not-papha. But if, if it's been a few episodes, back to play game, back to the instrument, what's music, why it's like, okay, people say, okay, but the kind of,

for me, for my own, for me, it's still, it's not too much okay. That's, that's, if I think, there's not there's a skate mechanism, but if I mean, there's a medicinal mechanism.

What to, sir? What, not a medicine not, but what we're doing what we have to do, the therapeutic, that can be therapy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right.

Now, one of the other than was that was in the last one. Okay. If you're... Nourke, right, right, so, it's really? Or meditasi. Yeah.

Yeah, right? Yeah, right. Yeah. Yes. Recreation, too, yeah. Or travel just, a month or a week or a week or what do you think?

What do you think? I think, I'm going to be recreation. That's been really, it's, it's been, so, so, when, after, then, after, you know, I don't know, I just what, I'll know what I'll get to get to Japan.

Amin, what, and if you, if, if, if, came, like, recreation, yeah, come, come, from there, it's more fresh, and I'm not and I'm not to make make make make sure, to make a song, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, no, and then,

not make up, and then, again, you know, making the song, how much, you're going to do you. Different, yeah? Yeah, right? To be re-refresh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the intuition just, yeah, yeah.

I, think, that's the end game your end game, what? Husnul Khatima. Well, if you're going to be, yeah, that's the world. Yeah, school, and then, and then, and then, and then,

people are going to be able to be and people who'd be able to be people, but everyone, probably want to go back to the game, yeah. Abbas, what else, again, Reincarnation, and life again?

That's perfect. That's perfect, right? Yeah, that's... Waddu, this all of the question that I'm going to ask, I want to ask you. Okay. There's a commenter of the other comments?

Ah. I'd like to ask back, Paul. I want to learn about, but I didn't know. I don't know, but I'm not... I'm not even... I'm not really, restarstrak. What, I've got,

not, I think, there's a camera like, that, like, that's, I'm, like, I'm, who's, really, really, can be a punitan for many people. Amen, amen.

And I see that the capacity of creative Indonesia is this is a wide and in large, and this is to be able to be made up for the penning the banks of our people to be able to be a more great. And, at the end-to-unct-the-out-weigh-power to letackan position Indonesia So, yes. ...acrategis, but we have to use

soft power. Soft power, okay. Soft power, to, from capability to be thinking, and also, and you're also, and you can be in there.

Amen. That's just the other. Thank you, Thank you, Loh. Thank you, sir, Thank you, sir, I've, success, always, to the front. Same, amen.

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