Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Jangan Patah Hati Lagi Sama Indonesia | #Endgame ft. Dian Sastrowardoyo (Part 2)

Episode Date: October 9, 2020

Membangun kecintaan terhadap Indonesia bisa diproyeksikan melalui soft power seperti penguasaan Bahasa Inggris sebagai bahasa internasional, penguasaan teknologi, serta role modeling tokoh-tokoh Indonesia untuk menghidupkan kembali konsep Indonesian Dream dan memperkuat identitas keindonesiaan. Sebagai seorang filmmaker, Dian bercita-cita untuk terus bisa mendokumentasikan narasi keindonesiaan seperti gotong royong dan toleransi dalam bentuk film atau cerita-cerita yang membumi dan menyentuh hati masyarakat Indonesia. 

But I think, the country is more of the way that's more than to do yousay than to keep in the technology. This is endgame. Do you know problem why? Yeah, I mean, that, the, people Indonesia, not because not because

not can't get the English. Yeah, right? That is one. The two, they don't have a good concept about what being an Indonesian really means. I mean, being Indonesian doesn't necessarily associate with something that feels good inside them. So it's really tough for them to say, yes, I am an Indonesian, and a good feeling, because their whole concept of Indonesian is like, what's

being being so badly in the country. In the government that maybe is more better than that, or how I'm not I don't agree. I disagree. If India is more cacao in the country. But I don't know how they, We're like to come from proexting power that's out of the way of the people that,

they're a good, right. And if we're, so, the content's really great-buck-and-a-tall-givens. But, not know how can't come out of course. And they're... They're not able to be able to get into English, they're not going to get back in our English from us. But if we look at the people

people who play PGA in golf tour, that female, that they're abys-abesan, to be able to be able to be legitimized, be it's been able to be acquies. I'm not really okay. And now, if we're part in, yeah, K-pop artists

also, they're being able to be up for English. Because English is the coolest, but the only way to get validated in the international community is to be communicating with the language that's in the communication international. Now, that, it's, We're always connect, we can't

how can be pancaring out with a language that can be able to learn to, how can't see how can translate our own ways that's more universal, which can be able to be able to be from the world. Right. Right, even there Google Translate or what, but if, yeah, if our people,

we're out, you know, it's chill, then, it's, in-in-a-in-a-in-basa, that's... like it's like exponential, soft power generation or marginal generation. But, but I always like Iri with people who out from the countries that were in colonnions with the UK. Because they're very,

even in the way, in the system of the education of their, the English is that proper-barker-bago. We're from the Blanda, not get some way, because we're not getting around. If we didn't get a system of it's all right. That's just to bea-biscar-bureaucrasy and pediccassies. If we, yeah, no-u-u-mong-lis.

If we're not only, the Umbuds is only. The kids'i-do-a-you-do-a. No. No. No. Then you graduated with a cum laude. Magna or Summa-Kum-Kumlaught? Or, Kum-Kulat?

Summa, yeah. Kum-A-T-O-Law-T-K-O-K-W-K-L-KU-KU-K. with the S2 at UI. Then, back again to the film. Back again in the film. I'm going to play and I'm going to producing. And film I was a showrunner. It was the showrunner.

It's the guru guru go kill, crazy awesome teachers who, al-hmudra-a-bushed, and was released on 17 August and been able to be on Netflix. So it's being broadcast in 190 in about the abhastewan 250 negat.

There's like local title of Korea, there's local title Thailand, there's local title. So people that in Belanda, it's like

ferructor laterer. That's the name. Guru Guru. Okay. This film is designed is for people for people who

not own own Netflix, so we don't know on Netflix and we're even we've seen one way we're not yet

before it's not only this is that's really relatable with teachers everywhere, that's always always need to find the first reason why they're being being a guru, that's... Let's talk about this. What do you think could be better

with content in Indonesia to make make-credaskan Bangsa? This is interesting, I've been discussing with Nadim about this. So, before we've made film Guru Guru Guru Gaukil,

I, and Mabhianti, to brainstorming with Nadim. Okay. If he was a minister? Before? Before? Like a few months or a few months before he'd be un-hackard.

But he has a hope of content production in Indonesia, because, actually, the, the way of the idea from the content of the film that we've

from different production TV that we we're talking, we need a better concept about being Indonesian. What is it

to be a Indian? Like, can be Indian, that's why I have to excel in academics, that's why, what is the definition of, like, we've got, definitely, definition, identity. And it's, can, it's been built to build, and,

if, last, the RDABarrie, can, it's been through unil, yeah, Pha, yeah, now, it's not there, like, to revisit, or we've gone to back, sojournation, and it's needed, and it's really, to do it, like, hegemony, or, that's about,

that, people, too, he did brainwash, Jalman, Jalmers, the Jalemann, the German, they're really really believed that their, nationalism,

is different, caste, and the rest of humankind, that's why they have the audacity to dream that big, to basically excel in the First World War and Second World War, so they were rascals, but it's incredible how

belief, too, It's really great-to-like-so-spoly complex is kind of kind of very. Kental, and I think we don't even get to have a good concept. We need to have a good feeling about identity of our people. Name it, what, one or two attributes,

that can be in un-bunkus in our identitiesities our. Do you want or do you want Indonesians to be known as academically smart, or artistically creative, Artistically creative. Why not smart? Not what's not smart? No, it's just domain to be smart,

there are many people people, people are people, Korean, people are Japanese, people who are people in Singapore, who are disciplined, you know, let's leave a bee, we just to this,

blue ocean strategy, how different from the long view, not impossible, though. Yeah, not, not, this is not, this not, but 50 years to the time, or 25 years, not even,

to be able to be Ceredas, people who are people who are creative. If you're in the time that we're not there, imagination that we can be

being a biggerna because the imagination of Bunkarno and he and he's really, and he's gallo-bawed being in the

American, J.F.G. all that's more personal like he, like, there's a good, the other people are people like, just looking at how he carry himself, and fluently speaking so many languages, and talking to them in a very elegant way, if there's one such like that,

maybe the whole world also will that the whole world will be that people are like they, like they also, at least, the other people who are the character of what, the other is what, the character of what, like this, like that. If American dream, can, there's been from the time of the time of the war,

for making the economy of their, they've made concept American dream. They have white fans, have one of the one of the other one, has a wife who's cooking in the dapur. We, too, unyel, was, Indonesian dream, like,

Bapaknian n'am, yeah, with Pa Oga, that's Indonesian dream. very down to earth community everybody help each other. Pak Radan, catarik the ankle of the urat, urat, um, one country that's how Indonesian.

Indonesia's like that kind of, saling garrusing, saling kepo, but it works that way, not always be always be arctic negative, but, but Indonesia, I think, I think that concept, that makes them feel good about being Indonesian and proudfully say that, yes, goy or a good nation. You know, in a weird way, you're actually alluding to leadership.

Yeah, right? Am I. Am I am. If you're talking about the creation of the American dream, it's personify, the sosok. Yeah. They had Abe Lincoln, FDR, Jack Kennedy, Obama. Right, right?

Yeah. That's, maybe, that's very inspirational, that's maybe Sukarno. Yeah. Yeah, right? Now, I still think, if we're going to be aspirations, to be able to be able to be a person who's who's, or who's creative, it's not an impossibility, don't you think?

It's not. It's really not impossible. It depends on... You mentioned audacity. You mentioned audacity. I'm not sure if you mentioned that. But if we have had like that, yeah, God's just how,

how did it? There's one of where we want to end up. I think it's really cool. I mean, the Nazis have Hitler. Not a great example. Not a great example. But they had one, but they had one, but it's, but there's like that.

Even it should not be a real person, it could also be freaking unil, a make-believe to a sossok, that's why I'm inspired. So, that's why I'm inspired really, so it's a lot of people, because Indonesia is sook that can help them identify their people as being Indian Asia and feel good about it, We need to make the story of Indonesia that's not-sadar, to become alam-bawas-sadar, and mementuc concept Indonesian dream their.

So, I think, people, people Korea, too, and, to be learned much than them. I've known many Korean drama, and look how much business modeler is to be able to join, they're not. They're not just playing high-brow, pa.

The good filmmaker, so, has branying merri-n-nor-n-n-n-n-n-nor-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-hack-n-n-n-n-n-n-hack-n't There's not there's not just just to sellin'receh and so, can't we sell it's just to sellin' but like to make sure like to make sure, how do you make, how, like there's something very nutritious, but it's just with something easy and it's just to know.

That dream is easy. Bollywood, too, noor, can do you? Yeah, but now, my God, it's pervasive. I'm going to fast-a-a-man-a-Mir-Khan's movie, like 3-E. idiots, or, what I was like, what I was like, film that's really, it's about things that the mostusiscusing in the society. And then, he made discussions public

about agamac, about per-beda-than-a-kind-pacoging that's very cranchy, that's right. That's great, I think, I think, I'm being idealism of my personalism as a person nationalist, with a person-woman who also I have to be able to get more than profitable, and even if I can't make

investors, I'm not capok, because I need them. I need their contribution to make this rodent the road a lot that we're still to mutter. By the way, do you believe in artificial intelligence? I still don't know that it will actually be a big part of our livelihood. Oh, that's a peritiasi. Do you know, there's a person that we can put chip in the head, and it's been electrification our neurons,

and it can be able to abati. There's many people, if we look, the body, it's essentially, it's just two things. One, electrification, one, zad-chimia. Zad-chimia, if it's been by the of the other than the other than electrification is that can't stroke, um,

mishymbudsmania, deafness, or loss of hearing, or whatever. Now, that's all of the monopulasi by neuron our, with electrification, that triggered from the chip that can install in the

And that's coming in a year or two. In Indonesia, sir. So, this is the company in the world. In the world. Oh, Elon Musk. Yeah. This is one of many of the pro-carsasas in the world to make upangue or

to make uperbiage humanuania. So, I'm just taking this from the earlier point, where if this is the combination with, by the people who believe in genetic editing, or genetic re-editing, or synthetic biology, this we can make up reassess a manusia to the and it's technically, theoretically,

if we want to up IQ of the 1,000, it's able, with genetic editing. Now, so if Indonesia or people Indonesia or in Indonesia, that we can't be able to be a goodergues. I refuse to believe. I justro, look at the not, not,

not much to we can't be known by anyone who's not only creative, but cerdas, or pinter, like, perception we're going to India, China, or Israel, or, or anyone. Don't you think that's cool? Yeah, just if you're creating,

Creediting, like the cacredasance artificial, how much like that's out of Benkel? Like, have been here from you, kind of like that like that? But this, this, it's been a lot in laboratory in the world. Now, if German, it's a lot of, the synthetic biology. If in China and in Silicon Valley, they're they're also in artificial intelligence. And in the laboratory in in in the

many of the other than in a lot of different editing. Ibarat-cata if we're going to make a new one like Tiger Woods or LeBron James, that's be re-cahasa, so he can muculness like Tiger Woods, can lempar ball basket like LeBron or Michael Jordan or the larin like Carl Lewis or who, it's crazy.

And it's in the not so distant future. future. Now, if Indonesia's in the talkaingal in these, yeah, whizes. But if we're going to be, not only we're participative, but we're proactive, I think the future could be pretty scary,

or pretty exciting. How, in your opinion? This is, but... I'm not too... I'm not too acrap about the technology from science. I'm very fascinated to

to watch documentaries about the and the result and perjalanen, or or make the documentary, but if, I know, I'm not too, the people are people who are in this conversation? I don't know as much about the community science in Indonesia. I don't. I've got book of the book on the beginning of being the

but this, this, we can't even imagineation, that's like that's that's like that's that's that's that's there's that's that's not-heaval-a-movementmentmentation to be in the this, this is the garris that's

spirituality or morality. Yeah, right? There's, will be there, or argumentation, whether this within our moral boundaries or beyond. Now, that,

it, it, to, It's about it's discusses, right? But I think, I think, think, we're more than to do you

than to go to major than we're like, sorry, yeah, but the country money, Dada-Hajee, to bail out the

the, what's $1,000 that, that's, that, that's, the, PM that's

that came-the-m-the-c-c- -cone-the-cuh, he, that's that's one MDB. Yeah, that's one Mdb. You have to beaulah? The Whale. Did you watch, don't?

No, no, no, no. Then I'm going to try. Now, then, I'm going to bailouted by the country, can, if that ever happens, in Indonesia, this. I mean, like, come on, this, this, this is in the country that abysan duit, like, if only you can tap into the

of abadi hajee, that's like that's like that's about about people who's entitled, it's so politics, but they can'tasenamakness, and make atasnambaknesses, namen to God, to bellowed to bellow. Right, right. That's what makes people, too,

patahathe again with Indonesia, patah, patahathe again about concept, the same definition that's the same definition of people that's the morality of, that's questionable, really. So many bad things happening in this country, how we can't feel good and feel very decent about being people Indonesia,

it's more about jondos jondon, you know, that I'm just a normal Joe. I might not be a... I'm not surprisingly excelled in everything, maybe, but hey, please go wrong back and I feel good about it, doing stuff that, finding love, finding a family. So, so simple stories like that. I mean, in Americans, can, they portray themselves like Adam Sandler,

you watch Adam Sandler movie, you know that you will end the movie with a feel-good feeling in your heart, that, or force come. Or force come, yeah. You believe in being lucky? No. Really? Yeah, I believe, yeah. But not everyone...

I think luck plays a big part in life. Yes, right? Yeah, right? I'm too, if you're recruit, more than to recruit, than to be able to do, you know, this, this, if you're going to be a business.

Yeah, right? Because Bapa, not you? I'm not, I'm not, how I'm gonna do send a day, He's like, they invest in Loweck. I've got to follow-uping, I'm going to say, I'm saying, you're so damn laughing. I'm like, Bhopert. If I'm going to say,

if I interview someone, he's said, pa, I'm, seven years ago, I was in a couple, the couple of people, there are three people who survived. I'm one of three. We're circlinginginging 200, I can hugh.

I've beenaned for 24 hours. I'm at one of one of the other than I'm survived. Done. You're hired. You're hired. I'm not peduli, lo, IQ's 70 or what? Done. That's because, yeah, how do you have to verify the story?

But if it's really a good idea, this is this one of these people. Pipe-a-Tel syndrome, ma'a, yeah, I'm not a petal. Or the forest gum or a pipe petal? Yeah. Anyway, then, then, how's, let's talk about you. Let's talk about you in context Indonesia to the front.

I, I always, I'm always, I'm saying, this, Indonesia, 2004, how, how, how, is it? This topic that's really really like, If we're going to look at this, we're going to look at the kids that are little, the little bit of the year, generation Z, that's going to be taken over

and will run the show more than my generation. I've got a big hope to look at them. Because there's a lot of things that I've seen, I've got about them that's different with generation of my. They are more socially aware from the generation of the generation of their.

They're now that's one that's one that's 10-tawn in the more than I, 10-year-old than I'm 15-tahuner than I'm going to be able to be able to look up with the kids that make startup that's a impact social. So there's a woke. Politically correct. Politically correct and environmentally sustainable. So they're only going to take value to companies that's more environmentally sustainable.

that's sadar and making a conscious effort to support sustainability. The Umpathamination, who's great-kernan, that's amazing, sir, ma'amast. That's a prestation, if, for the accoutes'er-as-a-sad-sad-dard. So, they thrive to have enough money to buy them the freaking most expensive handbag

and strut themselves in PLAZonesia, that's got to be able to do it. because of them are more like more than people more than people who actually do have money just instead they choose to make MRP, use the public transport. They do have money, but they chose to dress down and then make company that has impact social. Meliard people who have seen the same,

I look at it, wow, ternetra, wow, ternetia this, who maybe even more internationally exposed from the Uphathe, that's more acrap from the Baja international from the BASAINCED from than people who are more savvy

in communicating their platform, social, digital platform. So they're more savvy to communicate with with people, with people, can't come from,

not just with people don't. I think they're pretty good hope, see, for Indonesia 2004, I think at that time, if I, if I had been imagination, like what kind of

in 2005, is a lot of quite normal, men empankan inundated themselves, to constalas in other countries international, which make-hadapy challenges that same, pretty much environmental challenges, climate challenges, climate emergency challenges.

After this corona, economic challenges, how to survive and how to resurrect yourself economically from the downfall and global downfall in me. I think we just need to remind them, just to make them, don't even if they're the concept of putous

with the generation before me. That's the agagas that I'm going to look at, that's, concept about Indonesia, about being of people Indonesia, it's putous really with them.

I, if you're meeting with young, men, young to make me Generation Z, I have to use English just to make me feel I'm still, I'm still, can be able to talk in English, because they're more savvy and they think in English, like, if you're like in English, oh, you know, so GBI, you know, gangbasa English, like that's like, they're more than, and I'm more than I'm more than, and I have myself more up-to-date with them, you know,

if I'm going to, and, right, can, generation gap, it's, not always there's how much how we mitigate generation gap this, not even when they're going to be able to their sense of root, like, about, I'm still people who are Indonesia. And what is the

better than people Indonesia with people, people, like, influencer, blogger, makeup blogger, yeah, exactly. Blogger Korea and blogger Indonesia, what is the better than, same makeup that they used,

same makeup style, Same language that they use in caption. There's no differentiation that actually signifies, oh, that's an Indonesian influencer. Oh, that's a Filipino influencer. No, they're citizens of the world. They're trying to make sense of themselves as part of this blogger universe,

they want to look at what? It's still the world first, the world of the world barat. So we need identity, sir, we need, they more, I'm more batik, motif Jawa, gamelan, in our jazz, that's my identity, and wear it with pride.

That's my, the son today, there's a planp. I'm a lot of school. And I'm just so much I'm sure international school this, that's still there's a plan for PPPN. Wow. He, he's currently going to be gavalin,

that, sir, sir, the long time. The last one is the time. to the permutional or like how much of the way that he's gawaline but he's not just a series of words, now I have to explain an abstract concept in his language, which is English. Imagine if I'm not fluent in English, so I cannot translate all that in English terms, so I can't back to JNZ again, Isis, is that representative

on the people whoas, the Jensi, that's in Magelang, in Ma Diyun, in Muj, or are they all of the English, or in the Jakarta? No, that's in Jakarta. So it doesn't really represent the broad community of Genzi. The population. Now, how this is the way?

Do they get it? That's the way that we have to come from the ramah lingungan. That we have to live health. That's what we're going to be it. This is myris, I just just, I just know

facta this because I'm going to have been a BASSwadian, so I, so I'm recruited like five five kids, I've got in full scholarship at U.M, U.S, U. T,B,

I'm going to from from the gung-kidu, one of the situation that's the least-de-de-de-le-d, and the same thing in the area to get-jok-jah, and Bantu. The one of the same-an is, they're trying to be, horizon-wawasan their.

The person's most successful in their life that, is, that's just a god-lis. Or, guru-need-d-d-d-dose. So, if I'm going to be what? What do you want to be? What's your end-game, that?

The answer-you-old-the-law-the-the-cansansansi-cest. Because of him can be imaginathing is, so like that's like that. Like there's a glass ceiling, yeah. I'm going to schooling, like, okay, you want to take, you know, like, okay, you want to be,

okay, you magang in Jakarta, I'm going to go to Hapong, like, in Lofam, that, there, magang, a month, to be able to the horizon, then, then, then, you're going to do,

so, I'm going to do you, because, there, no, there's, They're like that's big like, doodoo, do so greaty so they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they're not,

they're not putting up anymore as far as much, there industry, what, and in the industry, there's a company, what, they're all compete against each other, and in every company, there are organisms, structure, perusage, like, and there are many positions and job that must be issued by generation of their,

they don't have any knowledge about it. Sadly, because, because they're hardly have that concept, so far abstract. Pangear, pengajar their people who long are in room,

in the Dessa, and they're just, and horizon their also can't be able to learn about horizon that's if they're more than if they're just, the reasonerer is also

we've got put uproo, we've got put uproo smartphones. We're going to people can't I'll have salurin, many content content. Yeah, no, no reason not to think, that they're not to think, that they're

to be inspired to become the head of the BBA who lulled from SMA, Gunung Kiddul. Why, why don't even a good idea? Why only want to be Kepala Daesa, or Kepal Dairah? This, sir, I want to ask you, BAP. This is Endgame.

the if we can remember that pride, remember that idea this is who we are, this is our identity we are, we're not peru adoption definition or identity other than did begin in

the country around we're trying to think we're thinking of our own, we're thinking of our own.