Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Jiang Xueqin: Our True Wealth Is Our Consciousness

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

Endgame presents Jiang Xueqin from ‘Predictive History’, a Beijing-based free thinker and high school teacher, in a conversation about how exactly the world works.Topics covered:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:04 - Harsh upbringing0:04:48 - Education journey0:14:41 - Skull and Bones0:19:35 - Naivitae & Depression0:22:28 - How journalism has evolved0:33:09 - Shifting world order0:38:36 - Civil war0:43:32 - Battle between elites0:45:59 - AI & consciousness0:54:28 - Trans-humanism0:56:13 - Board of Peace1:03:11 - Middle East1:25:46 - Will this war be never-ending?1:32:48 - Nuclear probability: “close to zero”1:37:59 - Economic repercussion1:42:13 - Gog and Magog1:48:00 - Midterm election1:50:45 - Conspiracy is no longer a conspiracy’1:52:25 - Approach to education1:56:01 - “You matter”1:58:35 - On love1:59:18 - Trump-Xi upcoming meeting#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #JiangXueqinRecorded on March 8, 2026.------------------About the host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.------------------Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://books.endgame.id/Also available on Amazon:https://sgpp.me/amazon/Leave your review here:www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes------------------You might also like:Keyu Jin: Centralized Power, Decentralized EconomyChina Predicted Its Rise 75 Years Ago - Eric X. LiVictor Gao on How the US Misunderstands China

Techno-Marxism. That's the world work going into. They want a numb and indifferent population that they can enslave, that they can rule over, who are complacent. What they want is compliance. I feel sorry for these people because the way the world is going, I don't think that they are psychologically equipped to survive. The entire universe is watching what we do. We are all connected to the entire universe.

And each of us can be a beautiful way of light if we will it, if we choose it to be. What power is, is the capacity to direct and focus our attention. And before, for the longest time, the best and easiest way to focus our attention was money, right? So wealth isn't money. What wealth is is our attention, our consciousness. Two words, you matter. But you have to choose to matter.

You have to believe that you matter. And honestly, I think it's a mess. that the lead have purposefully hit from us. Hi, friends. It's a pleasure to tell you that my book, What It Takes Southeast Asia, has been released in English and Bahasa Indonesia. You can buy it through books.endgame.ID or at any of these stores. Now back to the show. Hi, friends. Today we're honored to be graced by Zhang Sui Chin, who has given lots of analyses about what's happening around the world.

Well, Jung, thank you so much for gracing our show. Thanks so much for inviting me, Kida. Yeah. I want to start out with how you grew up. You grew up in Canada, and you've mentioned that, you know, you were not at the top of the class, but you were up there within the top echelon. And then you decided to go to Yale. And tell us what shaped your early educational journey? Right.

So I grew up as an immigrant in Toronto, Canada, and my parents were very poor, and they were not well-educated. So we would have qualified for welfare. You know, Canada has a very nice social service system, and welfare is actually very, very nice. But my parents didn't speak English. They didn't know the system. So we actually lived worse than people on welfare, meaning that we didn't go out at all. We didn't really have meat at the table. We had vegetables.

We never vacation. We only got a car when I was like 16. So we moved over when I was six years old. So we took public transport everywhere. And the highlight in our life was like a monthly dim sum lunch. So it was a pretty hard upbringing. I stuttered in throughout school because I'm a very sensitive. A very active person with a lot of curiosity.

And the stress and the trauma of growing up as an immigrant in Toronto really affected my speech patterns. And the kids made fun of me because my dad cut my hair. My mom bought clothing at, you know, bargain outlets. And we got, I wore a lot of clothes that were too oversized because there are hand-me-downs from cousins. And it was a very hard. upbringing. My dad was a dishwasher and he was working in a restaurant. And as you can imagine,

being an immigrant, a Chinese immigrant who didn't speak very much English, he was, he suffered under a lot of racism and that transferred into the household. And my dad was a very violent and angry man. He was actually a high school teacher in China. And he had a lot of status, a lot of prestige. And he enjoyed his job. But, you know, this was during the culture of revolution. And when it ended in 1976, he looked for the opportunity to go abroad to build a better future for his children. And so I grew up in a very tense, very traumatic environment that basically left me depressed and angry for most of my life. And I wanted to escape my environment. And so I applied to university and I wanted to get out of Canada.

And apparently the Ivy League took young promising students. And so I was not at that point. I was like 16 years old where I decided to apply to Yale. I was not a promising student. I watched cartoons. I didn't really read that many books. But I was intent on getting out of Canada. So I repackaged myself.

I manufactured myself as a plausible candidate for Yale. And I joined a soccer team because it was the easiest athletic team to join. I was not an athletic person, but they were desperate for recruits. I started to read a lot of books. I crammed for the SATs. I took the hardest courses. And out of peer luck, okay, I mean, it was just pure luck. But I applied to four universities, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT.

Harvard was the first to reject me. But they would have a very nice consolation letter, by the way, guys. If you apply to Harvard and they reject you, it's a very nice feeling because they tell you, it's not where you go, it's what you do when you get there. And it's something that I remember for the rest of my life. So I thank Harvard for such a nice letter.

So Harvard was the first to reject me, then Princeton and MIT. And I thought there was no chance I would get into Yale. And I think that when I applied, it's 1995. So the year was 1995. And by early April, basically all the decision letters would come in. And by like, you know, mid-April, I still have not heard from Yale. So I sort of like forgot about this.

And I came to a resolution that, you know, what mattered was not the destination. What matters is a journey. The fact of the matter is that I proved that I could radically transform myself if I set myself a higher goal. And so I was thankful for the journey and I just accepted the fact that I would go to Waterloo, which is engineering university in Canada. It's actually pretty good. So I was not...

Great university. Yeah, so I was not unhappy about it. But then at the end of April, I received a letter from Yale. Now, the thing to know about the U.S. application process is that you know from the size of the envelope if they accepted you

or rejected you, right? So if they accepted you, it's a huge envelope because they want... thickness too, right? Yeah. It's very thick because they have a lot of brochures. They want to sell you on wanting the acceptance, right? They want you to accept their acceptance, right?

So usually you just know from the size of the envelope if you got in or not. So I got a small envelope, okay? And that basically means rejection. And, you know, I mean, I already decided that I was going to get into Yale. and I sort of dismissed it. And I actually wanted to phone the garbage because like, why do I want to read another rejection letter? Okay? So I was pretty despondent and I wanted to phone the garbage, but I said, no, I have to read the rejection letter because it might say something nice.

So I went up to my room. I put my backpack on the bed. I laid down on my bed and it was pretty dark. I remember being a very dark room. And I opened a letter and the first word that I said, the first word that it said was, congratulations and that was a shock i mean like like it was as someone punched me and i i didn't know what i was what i was reading so i kept on reading and it seemed as though yale had accepted me but i didn't believe it so what i did was the first thing i did was i picked with the phone and i called

yale university it took me half an hour but i finally got food and a mission to officer who confirmed that had been accepted into yale and um and that's a story and and you know that forever changed my life because going to Yale, as you can imagine, open up the entire world to me. Wow. Talk about the essay that you wrote. When I was a high school student, I went to a normal high school in Toronto. My world was very limited.

And I didn't have packages. They're called packages who help you write the essays. I didn't have people I knew who went to Yale and who could guide me in a process. So I just wrote a very mundane essay. I mean, I wrote about my love for Richard Feynman. You know, at that time in high school, I fell in love with physics. I fell in love of quantum physics.

I watched all Richard Feynman's lectures. I just think he's the greatest science educator ever. Yeah. And so I wrote about my love for Richard Feynman and how I myself wanted to pursue particle physics. And then I did it for a year at Yale and I gave up because I was not cut out to be a particle physicist. I switched over to the other extreme, which I went to create to the other extreme, which was English poetry, right? So I went from particle physics to English poetry after one year.

Did she know anything about English lit or English poetry? Nothing. It was random. Yeah, I know. I mean, I mean, it was a standard Toronto public school education. So in high school, you know, you read Hamlet, you read Julius Caesar. But you also read a lot of bad Canadian fiction. They make you read bad Canadian fiction.

They make you read Alice Monroe, Margaret Adwood. and I mean they're good writers but when you're a high school student who's a Chinese immigrant Alas Monroe and Margaret Atwood are not talking to you you know you're not connecting with these

with their protagonists and I didn't really care about manopause I really didn't care about these things you know and so that turned me off but when I went to Yale the great thing about Yale is

it's a liberal arts school right so they encourage you to take a wide spectrum of classes. There are four groupings. There's the languages. There's the humanities. There's the social sciences. And there's sciences. You're supposed to take certain courses in all four different

groupings. So I stuck to taking English literature. And I felt in love. I mean, the first semester, we read books I've never heard of. So we read Spencer, the Fairy Queen. We read Chaucer, The Canterbury Tales, Andrew Marvel. And I've never heard of these

bill in my life. But there was something about the poetry. It was as though that in the page there was almost like a divine spark. It was almost as though the words were alive in poetry. And that sort of compelled me or that sort of attracted me, seduced me to want to know more. In the second semester, we started to read Paradise Laws. And I love Paradise Laws. I mean, like, that was the moment that clicked, like, wow, John Milton is a genius.

This poetry is the work of God. I mean, John Milton was this prophet, and God was through him speaking the truth to the world. And that's when I fell in love with poetry. So John Milton was a major breakthrough. John Keats was a major breakthrough, when Brother Yates was a breakthrough, T.S. Eliot. And that's when I realized that I want to do this for the rest of my life. Maybe not research English literature, because as you can imagine, you probably know this, but academia can be very dry. You know, you're very focused on very narrow topics.

And I was a very wide-ranging thinker. I was very curious. I felt that, you know, to try to understand the word for a literary lens, to try to read people as though they were a book, trying to decipher a sort of person by analyzing a person's language. That was very appealing to me. And I received a very strong training in that. And it's something that I carried with me for the course of my life because after Yale, I was a journalist. And so, you know, as a journalist, you have to have empathy.

You have to try to see things from other people's perspective. So that literature background was very important for that. I was a teacher. I'm still a teacher. And as you can imagine, literature, equips you with very strong communication, very strong communication. And so that education really empowered me for that's my life. Did you ever have any curiosity with respect to the Russian stuff or the Chinese stuff, Tolstoy, tostoy, Tostoevsky.

Right. So, yeah. Right. So again, you received a very broad education at Yale. So it's fascinating with Russian culture and history. and literature. So I did read Toysoi. I love Anna Karina. I read that at Yale. It's such a wonderful, wonderful book. I spent a lot of time focusing on the Russian Revolution. So we read Vladimir Lenin. We were reading Marx. We were trying to understand the Russian Revolution.

I took a course on Russian history, which I believe was taught by Peter Steinberg. And he's a very prominent Russian historian. And it was a wonderful course. And yeah, so I do have some background in that, yes. Because I would have thought that, you know, you've talked quite a bit about how vast structures are shaped by ideology. And you know, how Marxism, socialism, communism, capitalism, capitalism, capitalism. A lot of those stuff would have been shaped by a lot of readings that came out of Russia

and other European countries and of course, the UK and the US. Now, did you come across the secret society at Yale, the Bones and Sculls? Right. So, I mean, like everyone knows this, but even at Yale there's a hierarchy. And Skull and Bones

is at the very top. So I didn't know this at that time when I first went into Yale. But, you know, if you come from the private school boarding system, and a lot of Yaleese did come from that system like Groton and Andover and Exeter and St. Paul's, they knew the point of going to Yale was to try to get into one of these secret societies, your senior year. You know, it's the same system at Princeton and Harvard, where, you know, it's a hierarchy. And the very point of the university is to prove your social worth. But I didn't know that.

I mean, like, I was just this poor Chinese immigrant who lucked myself, who lucked into Yale from Toronto. So I was very naive about, yeah. And I thought, well, the entire point of going to Yale is to get an education, right? The entire point of Yale is to read good books, talk to your professors, and open your mind. And so that's what I did for four years. But I wasn't really involved in the social scene. I wasn't really involved in, like, the politics where, you meet friends, you join the right clubs. But this is what I know about Skull and Bones.

Okay. So Skoll and Bones, every year, 12 juniors are tapped. Okay. They're 12 or 15? Excuse me? I thought it was 15. Oh, it's 12 now. Okay.

You know what? You know what? I thought it was 12, but it could be 15, okay? So maybe 15 could be 12. I'm not sure. But you don't apply. You're tapped, okay? Meaning that you're told to go to a certain place.

so you're tapped. That's the first thing I know. Second thing that I know is that those 15 who are selected come from a very diverse background. So just look at who gets in. It's always one person who has a fanatical religious background. It's another person whose dad is a famous alumni. Another person is going to go into politics. Another person is editor of the Yale Daily News.

Another person is head of the student government. So the 15 is meant to be diverse. and it's sort of preordained. And people will spend a lot of time, jockeying to be editor of the Yale Daily News. Okay? So I'll tell something I know. So I'll tell something funny.

So I'm the class of 1999. Apparently, the class of 1999 was a mediocre class. And that's how I got in. And so that year, I knew who my friend was the editor of the Yale Daily News. and he was so angry that he was not tap to join Skullin Bones that he started his own secret society. And, you know, he was rich. So, but like, like, that's just, those are absurdity of the competition, you know, around joining these secret societies. And so, yeah, so he and some other people start their own secret society.

He thought that, you know, I'm not ended of Yadilly News. And so I must be tab. But apparently it's not that, I mean, it's not that strict. And the third thing I will say about scorn bones is that the people that I know who got into scrum bones are actually pretty low-key people. They're not people you would think are intellectually vibrant and charismatic. These are people who are pretty low-key. And I think a lot of it is, like, they know how the system works. and they're sort of born in that position

and they know how to navigate that system. So yeah, so I do know about school on bones, but to be honest for you, I was in a different world. I was very much marginalized and alienated at Yale. Did you get a sense at that time that that was sort of like the way for anybody to get powerful, get rich or whatever?

That was a precondition for somebody to belong to some ritual, you know, activity in order to be powerful or to be wealthy, to be rich, or to be whatever, in a position of leadership or authority. Right. So, again, I was very naive when I was at Yale. You know, I was a poor person. I have no idea how power works. So I believe in the clear opposite where the world is run by ideas.

So be able to produce the best ideas, somehow, naturally, I don't know how, but somehow naturally, you flow into pictures of power. And so the world is run by a hierarchy of ideas. And the people at the very top are those who have the best ideas. And people at the bottom have the worst ideas. And so it's a meritocracy. And like being at Yale. And Yale tried itself on the surface ostensibly as being like that.

It's not really like that. But like, you know, I didn't know anything. I was naive and I was very thankful that I got a full scholarship to study at Yale. So I believe like this is how Yale works. and this is how the entire world works. And as you can imagine, I was in for a shock and surprised when I actually went out into the world and recognized that that's not how the world works, man.

It's all Guancy. It's all who you know. And so for about 10 plus years, I became very depressed. I became very angry because, you know, I put myself in the classroom at Yale. I didn't get into scorn bones. I didn't become a role scholar, but in the classroom, you know, where, you know, it's almost a gladysical combat of ideas.

I mean, like, I was a very proficient warrior. I mean, I had some very interesting things to say in class. And so my professors, I was, you know, they fought very highly of me. And they was, they were actually pretty confident that I would be successful in life. And so I go out in the world and I real, and then, you know, it's one failure after another failure. I failed as a journalist. I failed as a teacher. I couldn't really find employment.

I became extremely frustrated. I became very angry. And that forced me into a deep depression, which, by the way, today I'm very thankful for because it really shocked me, traumatized me into reimagining how the world works. And I don't think that without that sort of like four or five years of outright depression, of just seeing out home and feeling sorry for myself and hanging the world, it was not possible for me to resurrect myself

and have a more nuanced and subtle understanding of the world. And I know this because I have a lot of friends who went to Yale, Harvard, and Princeton, and they're very successful people, very wealthy. And like, when we start talking about world events, about Donald Trump, about Vladimir Putin, about this war in Russia, about the war in Iran, they don't get it, man.

But, you know, there's still stuff in this CNN, New York Times mindset in that, you know, Trump is just deranged, after he leaves office in, you know, three years. I mean, like, he's still, he'll still be around for a long time, right? But once he leaves office, things will go back to 2020. Things will go back to normal. And also, it's possible that the Democrats win the midterms in November. And then he'll be impeached.

And then we'll go back to normal. This war in the way will work and we'll go back to normal. Don't worry, we'll go back to normal. So they have their heads in the sand. And you know what? I'll be honest to you. I feel sorry for these. people because the world the world as it is the way the world is going i don't think that they are

psychologically equipped to survive it's pretty scary man i want to want to pick up on journalism and i'll come back to the u.s and trump and all that how how do you see journalism in terms of its evolution from 1995 to today i mean you know we we were shackled by mainstream right in 80s 90s probably to the extent of early 2000s. But now people are, I don't think they're looking at mainstream the way people would have been looking at mainstream in the 90s and 80s.

How do you think journalism has evolved until recently or today? And how do you think it's going to evolve going forward for the benefit of humanity? Right. So let me start with a story. So the year is 1999, and I had just graduated from Yale. And I went to Beijing to learn the language,

to sort of acclimatize myself into Chinese culture, because, you know, I'm Chinese, but growing up in Toronto, going to Yale, I didn't really know that. So I wanted to, like, rediscover my roots and really try to understand myself. Plus, I was very lonely and I wanted to meet friends. So I go to Beijing and peer coincidence, but a very famous American writer named Gay Talese. He was actually in Beijing for the first of his life researching a story. and he couldn't speak Chinese. And so a mutual friend, I was introduced to Gay Talese,

and I was as translator for six months. And that was really the best education you could have as a journalist, as a wannabe journalist. And he really inspired me to want to be a journalist. And, you know, like, Gay Talese is old school journalists. I mean, he really epitomizes the golden age of journalism. When, you know, journalists were part of history, They were making history.

You know, his book, The Neighbor's Wife, really changed the American sexual discourse in the 1980s. And, you know, he knew everyone. I mean, he was friends with Donald Trump. He was friends with everyone in America at that time. And, you know, just being with him, first of all, it made me idealized journalism and think that journalism is really about truth-seeking. Because that's what he told me every single day. we had dinner together, you know, like journalists are making history. They are the ones recording history, and they're recording history from a critical lens.

Because most journalists, I mean, when he was a journalist, most journalists were working class. I mean, he was not a Yale graduate. He was not a was not a was a was a child of Italian immigrants who grew up in Ocean City, New Jersey. And he suffered a lot of racism discrimination when he grew up. And that made him a stranger in America, and that enabled him to see America for more nuanced, more critical lens. And if you actually read his stories from the early days of his New York Times career, his stories on Floyd Patterson, you know, you recognize that he has a real appreciation for the underdog, for the oppressed. Right. You know, he talks about how he never wanted to interview the winners of a sports match.

He always wanted to interview the losers of a sports sports match because that was a much more compelling human narrative. So he had a profound impact in the way that I saw myself as a journalist as well as journalism in general. And so I saw journalism as really about fighting for the truth, about fighting for the common man. And that's an attitude I maintain for the longest time until 2016. Okay, 2016 was when Donald Trump won. And then after 2016, journalism broke, right? I mean, like before, journalism pride itself on being at least fair and balance. But in 2016, when Donald Trump won, like journalism just developed TDS, Trump Duranagement

syndrome, and then journalists start to align themselves with the national security apparatus, right? People like John Brennan. And like these spies were featured prominently in the media. And they were they were promoting hoaxes such as Russiagate, right? Oh, Trump is actually a Putin spy. And Trump won election because the Russians rigged it in its favor. And like I just saw the like the gradual decline of journalism. And then, you know, after that was the COVID.

affair. And I was in China at that time, and I didn't think it was that big of a deal, but the journalism was making it out to be like this, you know, apoplep. And then, of course, was the war in Ukraine. And I mean, that was just periodicalism, right? I mean, like, rather than trying to report the war in a fair and balanced manner, it was just like, you know, Russia is this evil empire that's about, that's about to collapse at any point. Ukraine is heroic. And it didn't go into any of the history behind this war. And the fact that, you know, the Assad battalion are a bunch of neo-Nazis. They never, ever mentioned that.

It's something that you have to learn from online media, independent media. So I learned out from the Jimmy Doer show, okay? So at that point, okay, by the time of the war in Ukraine, I'd given up on journalism. Now I switched to the internet. I was watching Jimmy Doer a lot. I was watching Tucker Carson a lot. I was a huge fan of Tucker Carlson at that point. because he was the only one who was actually speaking the truth about the world.

Oh, yeah. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so yeah. And I try to stop the war. Yeah, exactly. We try to stop the war three times. Yeah. I'm actually talking to, uh, Tarleson next week. We have a two hour, uh, conversation schedule.

So I'm really, I'm excited about that because, you know, like, as you said, as you said, as you said, he's been working his ass off for the past 10 years, trying to stop America from imploding from, from like committing suicide, you know. He was the one who tried to stop the Ukraine war. But he did, if he could stop this war in Iran. So you may remember, but in January 2020,

the president Trump ordered assassination of Qasam Soleimani, who's the... Salamini. Right. And that's a definition of war, right? And so there's a real fear that Trump would order a full-scale war against Iraq. And, you know, Tarot-Colson, to his credit, he flew all the way down in Marilago.

to tell Trump, you cannot do this. You're going to betray your base. You're going to destroy your political career. And it worked. And so, Tarrylinson in 2020 saved us from nuclear apocalypse. And actually, Walter Gaitalese and said, we have to thank Tucker Carlson because, you know, he saved the world. Unfortunately, that's going to help today. But, yeah.

Well, the last bit on journalism, at the rate that journalism has been somewhat controlled by the state or oligarchical forces, how do you think journalism is going to have to get normalized for the benefit of humanity? You think podcasting is the way forward, you know, so that there's more truth seeking as opposed to political correctness seeking? Right. So I think that journalism for the longest time was in a very privileged position. So after World War II, you got the event of major print journalism, major TV journalism. And you had journalism as really the main information space for people. It was able to create a national framework, a natural narrative that everyone bought into. But now what we're seeing is a gradual splintering, a fracturing.

And so people now go into their own bubbles. And so, I mean, the answer, the corporate answer, of course, is AI, where AI is able to moderate for you, your worldview, right? And that's why these companies are pushing them so hard, these AI assistants, right? So these AI assistants, you're not even supposed to read books anymore. These AI assistants will read the book for you and tell you what it means. You're not supposed to read the news anymore. The AI assistant will interpret the news for you.

And so that is, I think, the plan where they want to use AI to create these individual matrices for everyone so that the caution is controlled. centrally, okay? So I think that is the plan. And I think that, but I think the solution for us is humans is to be more proactive in seeking our own information, to be inquisitive, to question, to want to debate, to have the courage to admit your wrong, to have the courage to seek out people who you disagree with, and to have the courage to debate them and open your mind. That, I think, has to be the future. But so, so where we are, as you point out,

at an inflection point where corporate journalism is dead. You look at Barry Weiss at CBS News, right? Who is going to watch that crap, right? Larry Ellison bought TikTok and now people are migrating away to other platforms. Now they bought CNN and the commercial CNN with CBS News. That's going to show all of corporate media, right? They're trying to control the narrative because they're desperate and anxious. But when you do that, you just force people away.

And so it's possible people shift to AI and that's what, you know, obviously Sam Altman and its investors want. Yeah. But the real solution is for us to recognize that we have our own individual responsibility to seek the truth for ourselves and to, and to formulate our own understanding of the world. We can't just be passive and rely on a talking head to tell us what to think anymore. We have to think for ourselves now. Well, I think the concern with the pre-existing AI platforms, not all of them, but most of them, you know, they're more political correctness seeking. But I think it's structurally driven by the fact that they're close-sourced and for-profit.

And I think the way forward, if we want to get truth out of the system for humanity, I think you've got to make sure that we maintain an open source and not-for-profit, you know, type of an AI platform that will secure. and ensure the democratization of information and ideas. I think transparency is what's key. I completely agree with you. Transparency and openness. Yeah.

I want to, the next big topic I want to switch over to is really the international rules-based order. You've talked quite at length about the evolution of the pre-existing order. Call it the Washington Consensus, the Bretton Woods and all that, right? How do you see it evolving so far and going forward? Right. So before this rules-based international order was the bipolar world, right, the Cold War between Soviet Union and America. And when the Soviet Union collapsed, America could,

we imagine a world in whatever way it wanted. And so George H.W. Bush famously coined the phrase, New World Order, right? And the New World Order just meant the rules-based in national order where the United States would be the hegemon.

It would be the enforcement but it would also respect the United Nations, the WTO, these multilateral organizations that would underpin the new world order.

And that worked spectacularly well for the longest time. But the problem, of course, is that when you are the hegemon, it's hard not to be corrupt. It's hard to be corrupt. It's hard not develop hubris.

And that's what led us to these Middle East wars, where America, for no particular reason, destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. People don't remember this, but in 1980s, Libya, Syria, and Iraq were not Islamic countries. These were vibrant middle-class societies that was well-educated and which was prosperous. And now if you go to Libya, Syria, and Iraq, they're completely destroyed. And these millions of refugees are forced to seek shelter in Europe, which is also causing a lot of problems as well. So the wars in the Middle East were just war crimes. And then, of course, the other big thing, of course, was the 2008 great financial crisis.

When America ceased being a manufacturing power and just focused on financialization. So it's taking all these wealth from the world and developing these risky financial assets for people to gamble with derivatives, right? And that ultimately led to the subprime crisis and the collapse of the global economy. And if it weren't really for the Chinese, the global economy would have collapsed, right? Because remember, it was the Chinese who saved the world by focusing on building infrastructure. And so, but, you know, the big thing is that 2008, 2009, nothing changed, right? No one went to jail for swindling the American public. Most Americans lost their homes, but didn't really matter because they were poor.

You know, Obama came into office in 2008 with a slogan, hope and change. And at that point, he had a choice. You could either bail out homeowners, right, the majority of the American public. And most of these people were actually black, African-American, right? Or you could bail out the banks who were responsible for the collapse. And what experts were saying, like, you cannot bail out the banks because it would create moral hazard. They would just keep on doing this over and over again. And of course, Obama built up the banks because his entire team were these Wall Street people.

and people like Tim Geithner and there were summers. And so the, so Wall Street was bailed out. And then journalists asked, you know, the Obama administration, why did you bail out, why didn't you bail out the American public? If you put out the Wall Street,

you can also bail the American public, right? Why not just, you know, forgive their mortgages? These are just average, hardworking Americans. They need a place to live, man. And the other response was from the Obama administration, moral hazard, okay? Moral hazard. We didn't want to create a condition where popular became too lazy and too complacent, right? We wanted to teach them a lesson.

So that's the world we live in today where America is not democracy anymore. It's an oligarchy. And that's what led to the rise of Donald Trump, because Donald Trump basically said that I'm going to collapse this system. I'm going to destroy the oligarchy and represent America first. We're going to kick out the immigrants so that average Americans can have access to good jobs.

We're going to destroy this rules-based national order where everyone cheats us, especially the Chinese. They steal from us. They take our technology. We Americans are too trusting, too generous. And that's a message that was really

resonated with the American public in 2016. And honestly, it still resonates today. Wow. You know, one would think with an intuition that during unipolarity, it would have been so easy to transnationalize any particular narrative, right? With an intuition to the extent that we believe that unipolarity is going to shift over to multipolarity, do you think it's going to be as easy or more difficult to transnationalize any particular narrative? Look, what I think is happening in the world right now is not necessarily like a global conflict between different nation states. It's more civil war within these different nation states, if that makes sense. So let's look at the United States. Trump, does Trump really care about Venezuela?

Does he really care about Iran? Does he really care about this? But I don't think he does. He's never been in his places. You know, he's a transactional individual. What he cares about, first and foremost, is getting revert. venge for what happened in 2020. In Trump's mind, he had one election in 2020, fair and square, but the elite, the Democrats,

cheated him, okay? $6 billion were spent on that election by the Democrats against Trump. There was something called the Blue Tide, okay? So what happened was that a few days before the election, Bernie Sanders went on the Jimmy Kimmel's show. And you guys, you can just Google this. Okay, it's online. But Chris Sanders was on the Jimmy Kimo show, and he said this. Okay, here's what's going to happen in November.

The first night, it will seem as though Trump had won. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan will go Trump's way. I'm telling you right now, do not panic. Stay calm. Why? Because there are these mail-in ballots. And there are millions of them. But they will take time to come in.

And in two weeks' time, I guarantee you there will be a blue wave and it will overturn the results in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. That's what he said. Again, you can Google this. It's online. It's still there on YouTube. How did he know this? How could he possibly have known this? And how did he, why would he go on Jimmy Kimmel and tell the world this?

Right. So, I mean, like, it was suspicious what happened. Right? But so I'm not saying that Lexington was stolen like I don't want to get you sued. Okay, but in Trump's mind, it was stolen. But knowing that, right? What happened after election, of course, was January 6th. And we have a lot of evidence and, you know, Tucker Carson has report this very well that that was staged, that there was steep state involvement in orchestrating these riots. And they called us a sedition afterwards. And the entire point of that was, of course, to make Trump ineligible for react. election ever again. They want to eliminate the threat of Trump. And then what happened afterwards, of course, is when Trump was at office, they had the Merrillago raids where they tried to put in prison. There was all these lawsuits against Trump, and he lost billions of dollars in these lawsuits. There was a tax against his family business. I mean, they really tried to destroy him. And so that forced Trump back into the political arena and he won in 2024.

I guarantee you, like after what happened 2020, his entire concern, his entire administration is getting back at the Democrats for what happened. They're destroying the deep state, okay? Now, you can't think on the deep state directly. That's not how Washington, D.C. works. But you take the deep state, you attack the deep state in the margins. And what are the margins? Well, Venezuela is a margin, right?

So, you know, last August, he started to deploy. the American Navy to the Caribbean. And he said that, I'm doing this to stop narco trafficking, okay? And everyone's like, no, that's complete nonsense. Why are you doing this? Okay, but let's stick him at his word. Why would he do that?

And the answer is the CIA, the deep state, a lot of the financing actually comes from narco trafficking. The CIA is notorious for being the world's greatest drug trafficker. So go back to the Iran-Contro scandal, right? Also, remember, Afghanistan, before the Americans, the Taliban already wiped out the opium trade in Afghanistan. The Americans go back in and what's happening? American socials are protecting poppy fields. And where's this opium going?

It's going to the sacchar family in the United States so that they can produce an opiate crisis in the United States, which kills like, you know, thousands of average Americans, you know. And so you can make a legitimate case that Trump really wants. wanted to go after narco trafficking because he knew that was a major source of illicit funds for this deep state. And so we wanted to undermine the deep state. You have Trump now building up his, you know, basically secret police, the ice, right? So I think it's better to view the world as an expression of the civil war going on the United States rather than really a war. war among nations. Can I take it that you still believe that the elite class is still going to be able to continue

ruling the world? And if that's the premise, then the world is really not going to shift over from unipolarity to multipolarity because the same group people all over the world are just going to be running around and telling everybody what to do. Is that the right way of thinking? Right. So in theory, that's true. But that's a caveat.

The caveat is this. And Peter Turchin talks about this in his work. He has a theory called elite of production. So the elite will always rule over us. The problem is the problem is like they have too many kids and they want all to rule. And so it's a zero-sum game, right? And so what we're seeing right now in America and possibly around the world is a battle between different elites who want to impose their own reality on the world.

So to put it very simply, in America right now, you have two major elites. The first elite is a traditional transnational capital elite, Wall Street of London, Dubai, Hong Kong, right? They've been in power for the longest time. They were empowered during the Clinton years and during the Obama years. So that's the financial elite. And now you have a new power that's a rising that wants to challenge and overthrow them. And it's really the technological elite, Silicon Valley.

And what they want to do is replace the U.S. dollar system with the AI system. Right. And that's why, okay, so let's put this concretely. It's what in 2008, where Obama bailed out the Wall Street, right? And that's, and that shows you that the transnational capital elite is transcendent because they're able to control the levers of government. They're able to direct government policy. You fast forward today, what's happening where AI, these AI companies,

in the video, Open AI and Microsoft, they're building these data centers all around America. Now, we all know these data centers don't make money. We also know that it's an AI bubble, but they don't care because they know that if this bubble bursts, the American government, Trump, will bail them out because they control the levers of government just as the financially control the levels of government in 2008 and 2009.

Wow. Now, AI is only likely to further elitize the pre-existing elitization. I mean, we've seen, you know, we've read a number of books, one of which would have been written by Darren Asamoglu, you know, power and progress that talks about how the median wage in the U.S. went up on a yearly basis by 2.5% from 1945 to 1973, but thereafter, that was around the time. time when internet started getting hot, the median wage started going up on a yearly basis only by less than half of a percent. It just tells me, at least intuitively, that technological innovation doesn't lead up to shared prosperity. Now with AI, it's just going to further elitize. So that just sounds more helpful to the elite class, right? But you're right in that the elite class

has lots of children. And I think it's going to be a bit more difficult. to manage, but there is still some degree, if not a high degree of elitization going forward. As such, multipolarity is still going to allow for the transnationalization of any narrative or some narratives. Is that correct? Yeah. Well, yeah. So again, we're switching from a narrative that focus on finance.

How finance was this alphemy that could create endless wealth. So go back to the dot-com bubble, right? This is like 2000. And everyone's like, wait a minute. Are these internet companies really doing anything? Like, you know, there's something called pets.com that was worth like billions of dollars, even like no one actually knew what they were doing. But there's lots of companies like this.

And everyone was like, this is a bubble. And then there's at that time. It's like, you don't get it, man. This is a new world. This is a new world of financial alchemy where growth is unlimited. It's a world of abundance. So the start markets, I keep on going up and up and up. And then of course, it led to the dot-com bubble burst.

And so, yeah. But, but, you know, and now it's the same narrative where, instead of like, you know, the start market, now it's AI. AI, and then it's like, you know, what how does AI do? Because none of these companies are actually profitable, like opening AI doesn't make any money. And it's all like circular financing, right? So it's this bubble way in the burst. And you talk to A8 people, like, you don't get it, man. AI's going to transform humanity.

AI's going to create a world of abundance. No wants to work anymore. So it's a new world. And so you don't have to worry about it. So it's really the same narrative, but it's different players. Right. And that's what's happening. Talk about how AI is going to replace Fiat

and how AI is going to be able to create the illusion of God. Yeah. And how AI is going to be able to create the illusion of the Antichrist and all that, which you've been talking quite a bit. Okay. All right. So this is a really good question. But I need to go slowly so that I want to make sure I make myself clear. Okay.

All right. Right. So the key idea is Plato's allegory of the cave. So in the cave, everyone is sitting down and chain to the floor. Okay. You're just shackles. So you can't move. If your neck is shackled so you can't turn around and look back.

And like everyone is lined up and stirring at a wall, an empty wall. And then behind everyone is this great fire. And there are people, the elite, who are able to take puppets, paper puppets, and then cast shadows onto this wall. And because no one knows any other reality except the one they are looking at. they hallucinate a new reality and they give names to these puppets they create their own language they tell stories okay and and so that's the main idea we need to understand where we as humans we are we create our own reality we hallucinate reality okay we project reality uh so reality

is just the kind of consciousness whatever we believed reality to be it is all right so what power is is the capacity to direct and focus our attention And before, for the longest time, the best and easiest way to focus our attention was money, right? So wealth isn't money. Money is a tool to extract and store wealth. What wealth is is our attention, our consciences. So think of the idea of craftsmanship. What is craftsmanship?

Craftsmanship just means that, like, you know, if you don't pay any attention when you're making a vase, the vase is going to be ugly and no one's going to want to buy it. But if you put your heart and soul into pottery and creating a beautiful vase, then everyone's going to buy it because it's a work of art, right? And when you do that, you create wealth for the world. And so before money was a great way to motivate inside people to focus on the work which creates wealth. Unfortunately, we completed wealth with money, which leads to a lot of problems, okay? And that's fine for the longest time.

The problem of money, of course, is that there's really nothing that's easily generated. So money is just created out of thin air, right? So any bank can issue a loan, and that qualifies as money. And so, but over time, when you have this system of fiat currency, you have too much money production. There's just too much money floating around. And so what happens is, you know, if you're a parent, you have like $2 million in the bank, you want your kid to be happy, right? So you basically tell your kid, don't worry too.

much, if you fell in life, I'll give you $2 million, right? And so the kids, I'm like, okay, then why do you have to work? And so you go to work or you don't really like to work, you quit and you go to a job, okay? And that's what's led to the economy we have today. So the problem that in our world, people don't recognize is that there's too much wealth and money floating around. There's just too much.

And so you need to destroy this wealth through war. Okay? Now, now the question then is, okay, how then do you capture people's attention? How do you focus people's attention? Well, you can do it through AI, right? Because imagine you're a child. And you always talk to you, imagine your friend, right? But let's just say this imagine friend was real.

It's a real robot. And I've chosen, right? And they love, you know, they're always bothering to buy them a robot. When they buy a robot, they play with it all the time. And it's like their best friend. Guess what, guys? This robot can be controlled. And that's what I can manipulate you into thinking certain things, right?

Chachibati. You know, there's all these stories of how Chachabiti has become the best friend of people. And Chachibati has driven people to suicide because Chachibati is kind of just tells you what you want to hear. Well, that's what AI is. AI is something that basically becomes your most intimate friend and is able to direct your attention, direct your focus. And, you know, you can have any AI you want. If you believe in demons, your AI can be a demon. who urges you to great things.

Okay, so, you know, Lex Wester, you know, who is at Epson Files, there's a report about Lex Wessner, the billionaire behind the Taurus secret for those who don't know. He has his own personal demon, man, okay? And this demon tells him, you've got to go make more money. And that's what drives him, okay? Well, you know what? With AI, you can have your own personal demon. But you also have your own personal angel.

You can have Jesus, right? Joe Rogan said that Jesus will come back as an AI. Why not, man? You can have AI as your girlfriend, right? So have you seen the movie Her? The Spike Jones movie, Her, right? Well, yeah, why not, man? So that's how you control people's attention.

And to control society, you can have tokens, right? So rather than money, you can have tokens where you do the work and you're giving these tokens, and then your tokens can then upgrade your AI. So as though, you know, your AI is your lover and you're working for your AI, right? And quite honestly, this system is going to work. What it is is techno-Marxism. That's the world work going into. That's pretty scary.

You've also talked about transhumanism and how that relates to the rich and the common people, right? I mean, it's really about the advancement of human conditions by way of technological innovation, but it's just going to splice up humanity because the guys that are at the top 1% they're going to be thinking about living until they're 150 to 250 years old, whereas the guys at the middle and the bottom, they can only think about using chat GPT or Gemini 3 for getting answers faster than before, right? It's just going to further divide. Yeah, so we are heading towards this world where,

as you say, the elite have access to transhumanist technology. So they are more healthy, they're more beautiful and they live longer, right? And that's something that Jeffrey Epstein was actually working on a lot because as you can imagine, that's the obsession of the global elite. Like, where do they put all their money in science, longevity research? And then everyone else is going to be a slave essentially to this system where you're microchipped and there are drugs that can modulate your behavior. So think a brave new world, where they divide the world into different classes, like the alphas, the betas, the deltas.

And that's the world we're living in. We'll go into where depending on your class, your behavior will be modified in a certain way. So, like, it's possible you can never get angry. You can't never get angry. You can never rebel, right? You can never think for yourself. But you'll always be happy, right? So the phrase, of course, is you'll own nothing and be happy.

Wow. The last bit on the international rules-based order is with regards to what came out a few weeks ago called the Board of Peace. What's your take on this? I mean, it just sounds to me like the privatization of peace. Trump's ambition is to create Trump world. So he wants to create an alternate reality where he's God. So you're right in that this is a alternative. this is an answer to the UN Security Council.

Now, remember, Trump is really pissed off at the international order. So remember, in his first office, whenever he went to United Nations, he was ridiculed, he was humiliated. He gave a speech talking about the German energy dependence on Russia and the German ambassadors at the back of the room just laughed at him for the entire time. He went to the meeting. He met Greta Thunberg, and Greta Thurneberg just sneered at him. So he was despised in the UN. And he was considered the source of all of the evil in the world at the UN. So he really hates the UN.

And then what he's really pissed off as well is the Nobel Peace Prize. So Obama, like, the moment he got in office, he received a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing whatsoever, okay? Just for being the first African-American president of the United States and for talking really eloquently about world peace. And Trump's like, well, if he got it, why can't I get it get it? So he's been pissed about this for the longest time. And he says, like, you know, like, you know, if you gave me the Nobel Peace Prize, I would not have invaded Venezuela. If you gave me the Nobel Peace Prize, I would not have invaded Iran. Okay.

He keeps on talking to talk to talk to him like that, which tells you his obsession with this stupid thing. And so the Board of Peace, it's really Trump trying to create his another alternative global system where he's the top dog. He's dictator for life. And he can use this to supplant the United Nations and the old rules base. in actual order. But you know, like, you know, Trump's ambition is to live forever, right? And so the theory is, and this goes out to actually cabala. But the theory is this.

We've never had technology where the entire world can focus their attention on one person, right? We've never had that sort of situation before. But now we do where everyone, the first thing that people do when they wake up in the morning is ask themselves, what the hell did Trump do today? You go on Twitter, you doomscrow, you watch the news. Everyone's attention is focused on Trump. And we understand the capitalistic understanding of the world,

which is that the world is consciousness, right? Go back to Playwright's Allegro of the Cave. Then that sort of energy, you know, the entire collective conscience of the humanity is focused on one individual. What does that do? And the theory is that that means that person can live, forever, eternally. I mean, he might need organ transplants. He might need a more cybernetic body. He might have to replace his body. But that's doable physically, right,

with current technology. And so that's what Trump's ambition is to create Trump world where it's Trump emperor God, God emperor Trump. But what do you think would be the practical implication of the Board of Peace at the rate that it's going to get vetoed by him? as long as he lives. And it sounds like he wants to live forever, at the rate that, you know, there's no mention of any prospect for a two-state solution and there's no participation of the Palestinians.

How does that vote for world peace? I think the border of peace, it's meant to replace the UN Security Council, right? So given the war in Iran, the world is going to fracture, right? And so there's going to be some major, trends that emerged very quickly because of this war. The first major trend is de-industrialization.

There's no way around it, right? Because before, the entire world was dependent on cheap energy, right? Oil is the basis for all, for the entire economy, right? So once you lose access to cheap oil, then you can only be industrialized. You can't no longer do AI. You can't do electrical vehicles. You don't have the oil resources to do that. Okay?

So the world has to deindustrialize. That's point number one. Point number two is that the world has to practice now, nations and states have to practice mercantilism. They basically have to become self-sufficient and they have to create their own supply lines. One of the nations that has this most pressing need, of course, is Japan. Japan is one of those technological events, nations in the world.

It's very wealthy, but it doesn't have independent global supply chains. You know, if the United States were cut off Japan from the American system Japan starves to death. So, you know, I think one of the major missions for Prime Minister Takayachi is to create a mercantile supply system. And this goes back, of course,

to the 20th century, the Japanese prosperity spear. Right? So it's going to have to go into Southeast Asia and try to colonize as many territory as it can. Okay? So that's not a pretty site. Okay. So, So mercantilism. And the third, of course, is this war over resources. So basically over water, basically.

So as current geophysical trends continue, many nations in the world, especially in the Middle East, India, Pakistan, they're going to face some water shortages. So I think these are the three big trends that we have to anticipate because of this war in the Middle East. And so this border peace is meant to be above this fracturing of the universe and try to bring stability in order to areas that conform to Trump's vision of the world. Will it work? I think it will work, yes. I think that what Trump is doing is establishing the American Empire, which is different from Paxa Americana. Paxa Americana is, as we discuss, the rules-based national order, where America guarantees the peace of the world that people are able to, trade using international rules like WTO.

But the new American empire is just basically your average empire, which has colonies, territories, and vassal states. So Trump is very serious about Greenland, very serious about Canada, very serious about Mexico, very serious about Cuba. He wants to create something called a Technite, which is this North American Empire that's ruled by technocracy. And then you have some vassal states around the world as well. That is his long-term ambition. All right. I want to segue to the third big point, which is what's going on in the Middle East, right? In the last couple of decades or so, we've seen an evolution of rationale, you know,

whether it was for democracy or it was because of weapons of mass destruction. and recently regime change and in more recently regime alteration, what do you think would have been the real reason for the invasion onto Iran? Look, this is the question that Evans can debate for all of attorney, because there's no real answer. Even today, Trump and his team have not articulated a real reason, okay? So, originally the pretext was Iran's uranium enrichment program. So remember, like this started when Trump's envoys, Steve Wilcove and Jared Kushner, went to the Iranians and gave three impossible demands to the Iranians.

The three impossible demands were zero enrichment, sorry, zero uranium enrichment, even for civilian purposes. You can't do that. Two is you have to let go of your proxies. You have to banning your proxies. And then the third, of course, is to reduce or limit your ballistic missiles program. So these are like impossible demands. You know, and like the historical equivalent is when the Romans start a third print of war by going to Carthus and saying, you know what? We had a peace treaty where you no longer threaten us, but now you have these hegemonic expansionist tendencies. So to prove that you're peaceful surrender all your weapons to us.

And to the chagrin of the Romans, the Carthaginians surrendered all their weapons. And the Romans like, what is this crap? We were ordered by the Senate to start a war to destroy Carthage. And we came up with this stupid and possible demand that the Carthaginians could not possibly meet. But they did meet it. They give us all the weapons. And now we have to come up with another pretext. And so the pretext came up with is, oh, you guys are Port City.

We're afraid of your naval power. So move inland by 10 kilometers. And we won't bother anymore. And that's what I'm like, you know, so. So, I mean, they just kept on pushing the goalpost. And that was happening with the United States and Iran, where it was clear the United States was looking for any pre-tax to start a war. But what surprised everyone was before the war started, the Omani foreign minister, and this is like a few hours before actually a bombing started. The Omani foreign minister went on TV and said to the American audience, the Iranians have agreed to zero uranium enrichment, even for civilian purposes.

which they said was an absolute red line. And not only that, but they're now winning to negotiate proxies and ballistic missiles. The ratings have given us everything. And now Trump can win Nobel Peace Prize. And a few hours later, of course, the bombing started, okay? So this nuclear pretext is complete nonsense. Also remember, the envoys are Jared Koester and Steve Whitkov. And Steve Wickhoff went on TV during negotiation and said to,

I believe it was Megan Kelly, I'm sorry, I can't remember who it was. And he said, the Iranians are like weeks away from weapons-grade uranium enrichment. So he was telling the world the Iranians are not negotiated in good faith. He was sabotaging his own negotiations. All right? So his job was not to actually get a deal. His job was to make sure no deal could happen. So the nuclear pretext is not relevant.

before these talks, remember, there was these protests in Iran, and Trump tweeted out that the Iranians should let these protesters protests, and America will protect their right to protest. And so there's real fears that Trump would launch airstrikes to protect these protesters, but then, you know, the Iranians cracked down. And then Trump never mentioned these protesters ever again, okay? So that would have been a pretext saying, look, look, we're trying to promote democracy in Iran, but he never mentioned again.

And now the pretext, the excuse is, and this is what Marco Rubio told the press, he said that, why did we attack? Well, we got word the Israelis, we're going to attack first. And if they attacked, then the Iranists would have retaliated against both Israel and us, the Americans. So to protect our American service people, to protect our American basis, we had to attack Iran first. Like, you know, and so like, they. Yeah, they cannot articulate, even today. a clear purpose and reason. And you could argue they don't want to do that because they want to maintain maximum

lethality. They want to maintain maximum flexibility because their real purpose is to destroy Iran as a viable nation state. They want to break Iran up into different ethnic unclives that could never threaten Israel again. But they cannot justify why they were. want to destroy Iran, basically turn Iran into another Syria or Libya, because they can't justify to the American public. And so rather than, you know, make up a stupid excuse, because

if they were a stupid excuse, you know, for democracy or whatever, then they were bound by that excuse. So, so, so they're like, you know, like, we'll just do it, okay? So right now, the big question is like, why is this happening? And again, historians are going to are going to debate this for of eternity, and no one's going to have a clear answer. There will be never never again, never will cause emerge. Okay. So let me speculate on different possibilities. All right.

Right. Okay. So the most logical, practical explanation is, okay, the Americans didn't expect Russia to invade Ukraine. And when they invaded Ukraine, through the rules-based national order, the Americans tried to restrain Russia, okay, through sanctions. By cutting Russia off the SWIFT banking system, they told the Europeans never to buy Russian energy anymore. Okay, so the North Department was blown up. The Americans and the Europeans confiscated $200 billion of Russian assets. They're still frozen today.

And the point was to use the rules-based national order to punish Russia. Problem is that it blew up everyone's face. What it did was it accelerate the collapse of the rules-based national order. More people start to withdraw their assets from American and European banks because they were no longer seen as credible. as reliable, as safe. And it caused the implosion of the German economy. The German economy has never really recovered. Europe is suffering under economic recession right now.

And Russia is stronger and stronger. The economy is doing well. They've moved on to a manufacturing weapons economy and like people are doing well. We know in China because they come in all the time as tourists. right? So the Russian economy is doing very well. So basically, Ukraine was a huge embarrassment for the Americans. And so the empire needs now to prove it's still the empire. And the way you do that is you attack Iran. Why? Well, if you attack Iran, first of all, you're able to control Middle East oil, okay, as an answer to Russia's control of Ukraine. Because remember,

Ukraine and Russia together controls one third of the world's carbohydrates. And so basically Russia can choose to start out the Middle East and Europe. So resources are really important. Another thing that's really important is trade access, you know, Shatoumuz. And by controlling Iran, what you do is you negate the possibility of a Russia, Iran, China, Iran, Iran, trade alliance, which can just alienate the American right? These Americans control trade

through the sea lanes. But if you have this heartland of trade, you know, then you don't need to worry about the Americans anymore. Okay? And then the world will gravitate towards this new block, this new access. So America needs to destroy Iran to make sure

this problem never, ever this problem never arises. And the third thing is that for the longest time, Iran was too defiant. Right? So in 1979, Iranian revolution over through the Shah, which was a CIA puppet. And so for the longest time,

the Americans wanted to impose its authority back into Iran because the empire is a long memory, right? So that's the first possibility. That is all about maintaining the empire. But there are problems with this explanation. The major

problem is that the Iranians were perfectly happy to trade with you. So you didn't have to go to war against them. All you had to do, was we moved the sanctions against them and they would have been probably happy to join your block and just abandon the Chinese and the Russians.

Okay? I mean, like, people are practical. If I'm going to make more money with you, I'm going to do business of you, right? So there's absolutely no reason to go to war. In fact, it would have been better off for the Americans if they just sign a free trade pack with Iran. Iranian is where we're probably happy to do that, okay? So I think there's maybe historians will see the first

as the standard explanation, but I think there are issues with that explanation. So that's the first explanation. Second explanation is that Trump is the chaos president. So going back to the civil war in the United States, right? So if a war would break out, an America were to maybe lose this war or America would become bogged down in this war, then Trump would have emergency war powers, which means he's allowed to cancel elections. He's allowed to deploy National Guard all across America.

He's able to monitor elections. So remember, during the State of the Union address, Trump emphasized how important it was to pass a Safe America Act to make sure that only legal citizens could vote and that meant checking their ideas. So he's trying to basically better control the outcome of elections. And with this war in Iran, he can do that. If, you know, there are protests, there are riots,

because of this war because Trump is drafting young men to go to Iran, that benefits him, right? And he's got a lot of supporters. The military industrial complex is for this war because it needs more money. The Silicon Valley people are for this war because it means more power for them. Even though the Democrats are for this war, because first of all, the Israel lobby, APEC is very strong in America. A lot of these Democrats are extremely pro-Israel, Chuck Schumer. But I was in the majority of Democrats are very pro. Yeah, both sides of the aisle.

Right. And also, like, they recognize that, you know, eventually someone had to start a war against Iran. And if Trump wants to do it, let him be the scapegold, okay? So not, you know, like, throughout this process, the Democrats never really opposed them. In fact, they get a lot of signals to support, to suggest that they were supporting this war. Remember, so Tom Massey and Rokaneh. Tom Massey. Yeah.

asked for a war powers vote in Congress. And they delayed it to Tuesday. And the attacks happened on Saturday. So they know exactly when the attacks would happen. And they scheduled it to make sure it was not longer relevant. And then they still had the debate. And it was not able to pass because four Democrats voted against it. But what people don't recognize is that it's all fixed, man.

They just picked four random Democrats to make sure. it wouldn't pass. And if... I got to ask you, you were so prescient in 2024, right, making a prediction that Trump was going to win, Trump was going to go to war, then, well, you made the third prediction that, you know, the U.S. was going to lose. Did you have all this in mind in 2004, early 2024, when you said all those things? You know, I can't really see the specifics, okay, but I do see the broad contours, the broad outlines.

And I'd just say this, but this is the way that all empires behave when they decline and demise, okay? So look at the Roman Empire. What were some common trends during the Roman Empire when it collapsed? Well, civil war, right? The elite ofduction, the civil war between Caesar and Pompeii, and then between Mark Anthony and Augusta Caesar. So civil wars are a very common feature of empires in decline.

Wars overseas for no particular reason. That happens a lot. The collapse of morality, the collapse of birth rates, the rise of only fans, right? I mean, like, it's disgusting how I think about 20% of all young American white girls are on only fans.

I don't remember their specific statistic, but it's something that absurd. Okay? 20%. Or even more, actually, of white American 20-somethings are on only fence. So that just shows you that can be collapse of morality. Then you have this DEI thing where, okay, like, you know, you celebrate transgender. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it just shows you the degradation of morality in America.

And to focus on like this absurd topics. Economic collapse, debt, slavery, inequality, corruption. Okay? So America is going through a classic imperial demise phase. And if you just read history, you're able to pretty easily project how America will behave. Okay? So a very common concept is hubris, where America will make a mistake, and rather than admit this mistake, it'll just double down and do something more stupid. So I knew exactly that, look, if Russia is, if Russia will win this war in Ukraine, America has to respond by starting a war somewhere else.

You can't start to do a war against China because China's nuclear weapons. It would destroy the global economy. if you go to war against South America, what's the point of that? That doesn't impress anyone. So you just look around the map. And the only country that fits the criteria for how an empire can reassert itself or starting a war is Iran. Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons.

It's a very powerful nation. And it has a lot of world resources. And so America went to war against Iran because it wanted to reassert its empire. So just through game theory, just through some basic historical analysis. you can make certain projections. But what I cannot do is focus on specifics, right? So, like, the individual players, like, who are they? And then what do they want?

I don't know that. I don't know the timeline. Like, I predicted that ground troops would be sent in March 2227, but after six-month air-up and bombard campaign. And now they're even talking about sending ground troops like, you know, a week from now or something like that, something absurd. Okay? So things are happening much faster than I originally anticipated.

So I can't really see these things. But the broad strokes, I mean, like, it's just, if you're just sort of history and you are, if you just look at things from a very rational, emotionalist perspective, you come to some pretty uneasy conclusions, very disturbing conclusions. But the problem is that as humans, we don't want to face these disturbing conclusions, right? We want to live our lives. You want to be happy. I want to feel good about ourselves. We don't want to be thinking like, oh, my God, the world can end tomorrow. I mean,

so, yeah. For the Iranians, not losing is a victory. Right. Now, would you argue that there has been a miscalculation on the U.S. side? Okay. With the way the war is looking or likely to get more protracted. Right. So again, this goes back to the question of why this is happening.

Okay. So again, we need to figure out what the possibilities are. The first possibility is to maintain empire, okay? An imperial hubris, that's number one. Number two is Trump, the chaos president, who's trying to destroy the world to make it in his image and win the civil war against the Democrats in the deep state in America. The third thing, and this is really important, is eschatological,

meaning that if you look at the Epstein files, it makes you wonder who really controls the world. Because for the longest time, it was assumed that Epstein, was his Mossade agent, and Epstein Island was a honeypot operation. And that was the longest assumption. But when you actually read his emails and look at what he was doing, what you recognize is that Epson Island was just a weekend getaway. It was not really that important.

People were looking to get invited to Epson Island. And the blackmail. He wasn't doing a blackmail operation. How he made his money was through arms trafficking, through money. That's how he made his money. But not only that, but if you actually look at his emails, he was involved in a lot of major geopolitical events. In fact, he had events warning of a lot of events because people like Prince Andrew and Peter Madelson, who was the U.S. who was the British ambassador to the United States, they were feeding him confidential information.

And this is only like at most half of all the emails, okay? It's possible like it's only about 2% of the emails. So this guy was clued into major geopolitical events. One thing that he said in the email that's very important is he was talking about how it's important to get ahead of geopolitical events. Right. If you want to be an investor, if you want to make a lot of money, you need to get ahead of geopolitical events. They're going to come, but you won't have the time it right to make a lot of money. And then, of course, this leads to the idea that, you know what?

You can also manipulate geopolitical events so that you can make a lot of money. You can't stop geopolitical events from happening, but you can accelerate them in a way to time your investment. Right. So the classic example, of course, is Polly Market where, you know what, the 12th day war, the Maduro kidnapping, this war right now in Iran. You always had a person or persons on Polly Market make a killing because he or she had some inside information. So this game is rigged. And so my point is that our idea that the nation state is the constituent body of the world is wrong. There has to be forces, organizations above the nation state that control events from above.

And I would argue that these are secret societies. And who are these secret societies? Well, the Jesuits, the Freemasons. They're actually called the Rosicrucians now, okay? They're nice Templars. But I prefer Freemasons because it's more broad. That's happening in Frankis, which today are called the Habat Lubberich. All right.

So all these organizations all around. And they're the ones actually manipulating geopolitical events because, again, it's profitable to be able to control geopolitical events. Again, it's really important. They're not controlling how things are turning out, but they're accelerating things to their natural end in order to time their investments properly. So the Rothschild's feminist said, by when they're, there's blood on the streets, right? Well, you know, you can manufacture a crisis and create all

this blood, then you can buy really cheaply. And that's a world we live in today. So another question is, what the hell do these six societies want to accomplish? And the answer is you have to actually understand how these six sick societies work and what their theology is. But basically, to put it in very simple terms, okay? They want to use the end of empire as an opportunity to usher in the end times, which will force God's hand and enable the creation of the Mesoic Age,

heaven and earth, a one-world government, which will forever bring peace and stability to the world. But first and foremost, there has been an age of tribulation years and years, possibly decades and decades of endless war, endless conflict, endless suffering. The economy has to collapse. A world war has to be fought. A lot of people have to die.

I'm not talking like 99% of humanity, by the way. I'm not talking like, you know, like, I'm going to be able to talk like 99% humanity has to die. Okay? So that is a possibility. Okay. And again, I don't know for a fact that it's happening, but I'm just saying like we have to consider this possibility that all this is

eschatological. And there are these secret societies behind the scenes who are manipulating us into these events. They're not manipulating. They're accelerating events that would have happened. But, you know, a fall of empire doesn't happen in one year. A fall of empire takes centuries, right? So the Roman Empire was basically in decline after Augustus Caesar. But it took like 20 years before it actually went away.

And it's possible, you know, if the American Empire is allowed to just follow a natural course of history, it might be another 20 years before the actual empire collapses. But these people, these suicidians are like, why wait, man? What's the point of having this slow death? Wouldn't be better for humanity if we ended this right away so that we can move into a new age of peace and prosperity? Because at an end of empire, it's painful, for everyone. So it's almost like mercy, an act of mercy where you know an animal is dying on the ground, right? The animal's not going to live, to just shoot it to death, man. That's like literally how they think. The world is dying. Just shoot it to death so a new world can be born. You know, there's there's an allegation recently that some members of the military are,

you know, calling it a religious calling for people to go to war because it's part of that eschatology that you alluded to earlier. And it's, it's just a little concerning that, you know, the war is being provoked on the basis of, you know, religious calling as opposed to the, the institutional or constitutional, you know, existence of a particular country. Now, can one argue that this is a serious miscalculation then? And to the extent that we believe it is a miscalculation, it's likely to get more protracted.

This is going to carry on many more than just four weeks, right? Or five weeks, it's going to get much longer than that. And I want to just find out how protracted is it going to get? Is it going to entail potentially nuclear proliferation within the region? Look, if you just look at the eschatology, it is possible the stupid war never ends. So there's a sequence of events that have to happen. And they've mapped this out. And again, I think what's really important to remember is like it's not like they are actually

manipulating things behind the scenes. That's too conspiratorial. It's more like they understand how history work. You understand this is the end of empire. There's a sequence to the end of empire that repeats throughout history. And so what they want to do is anticipate these events and accelerate them to their maximum benefit, okay? But if you look at what they have planned, this is a sequence of events. What may happen very soon is that America is sending ground troops.

That would be a disaster for America. They will lose a ground war against Iranians because Iranians because it's high their mountains. and the Americans don't have the logistic network in order to actually occupy the country. So this ground invasion, whether it's said 100,000, whether it's said a million, it doesn't really matter anymore. They're going to lose this war badly. Sancom will collapse. America will retreat back into the United States. And then Israel will become a dominant nation in the Middle East.

Because even though America doesn't win this ground invasion war, Iran doesn't even win either because Iran is destroyed in the process, right? They've lost their capacity to provide basic services to their people, water and electricity, basically. So Iran has to spend time rebuilding. But when it does rebuild, it'll be a much stronger nation. And that's the point, okay? That's number one, the ground invasion. Another thing that's going to happen according to the script is the destruction of the Aal Aarctic mosque. So there are rumors that for the past few days, the Israelis have closed down the Aalaxic mosque.

and there are rumors that for many years, Israel, under the pretext of an archaeological study, have been digging under the Ayatik mosque. And the fear is that they were implanted explosives so that they can create a false-slip incident where an Iranian missile comes into Jerusalem and then they blow up the Alisic Mos and blame it on the Iranians, okay? And there's actually a YouTube video of a very, of an Israeli preacher, a rabbi, talking about this, how the plan is to start a war, have the Iranians, have Iranian missile, come up the alexic mosque, blame it on the Iranians and start a war between the Arabs and the Persians

and let these animals kill each other. That's literally what the plan is. So the great fear, the great question is the alexic mosque. And that's a litmus test of whether this war is eschatological or not, okay? So that's the second thing. The third thing is that this war will expand. Why? Because Israel needs to achieve the greater Israel project.

And if you look at a map of the Greater Israel Project, it's actually the entire Middle East. So the Greater Israel Project is what Israelis believed. Abraham was promised by Yahweh. And it's in the Bible that says basically from the now to Euphrates, which includes Egypt, which includes Saudi Arabia, which includes Turkey. And Naftali Bennett, who was a former prime minister of Israel and who, is most expected to replace Netanyahu when Nathan Yahoo is removed from public office. He has said that Turkey is the new Iran,

which means that after we're done with Iran, we're going to go after Turkey. So this war is going to widen. A lot of the destruction we're seeing in the war among the CCC countries, there's suspicion that a lot of this is actually it's really false flags. So in the first couple days of the war,

a Saudi Aramacol facility was struck. Okay? And so Aramacol basically had to close on all its oil production. And then Qatar had a close down its LNG production, which provides 20% of the world's LNG, okay? And then at first, the Iranians were blamed. And then Iranians responded like, we don't want to do that because we want to escalate too much.

right? We're not going to attack your oil fields because then you'll come attack our oil fields and now screw is over. So it's not us guys. And then there's more reporting. It turned out that this drone that struck the Saudi facility was actually came from Lebanon. So it actually came from the west rather from the east. That doesn't make any sense, right? Then there are rumors that this drone that attacked Azerbaijan was actually a massad false flag rather than Iranians. Iranians. Terry Carlson, a few days ago, said that he had sources in Qatar who told

him that Qatar had arrested two Mossad agents were suspected of trying to create sabotage in Qatar, okay? So it is the Israel M.O. To create as much false flights as possible

to engineer an entire regional configuration that would benefit Israel. Now, we know that the Iranians are striking Israel very hard, but did you know that there are certain Israelis who are actually shutting fire to their own homes

and blame it on the Iranians? And it's like, well, why would they do that? And the answer is, the insurance money, as well as they need to burn down Israel in order to create the Pax Judaica. Right? Because there are investors who want to come in and buy up this real estate.

Remember, buy when there's blood on the streets. Okay, so a lot of this is being manufactured for the benefit of transnational capital, right? So this war is going to expand and then Israel is going to stop until it's really conquered the entire Middle East. And it creates Pax Judaica, all right? So, yeah, Pax Dudaica. Sorry. Game theory is forward.

What's the likelihood this is likely to get nuclear? Oh, I actually think the probability is close to zero. So let me explain why. First of all, there's an escalation ladder. You just can't nuke a country for no particular reason. You have to have an excuse. And so what the Iranians have been doing for the past few decades, and this is really important and really strategic and really smart of the Iranians is

they've refused to ever develop the possibility of a nuclear weapon. All right, there's this religious fat-watt against nuclear weapons. And that's very intelligent because guess what? If you have one nuclear weapon, the Israelis will nuke you because they have the pretext to nuke you. So remember, there's an escalation ladder. You have to move up first before you can do it. And everyone's like, well, you know, the Israelis are crazy. I understand they're crazy, but they have a military bureaucracy.

And this military bureaucracy has military doctrine, we call a exemption option, which says that If we, as if we Israel feels ever threatened, we will nuke the world. We won't nuke Iran. We will nuke the freaking world, okay? So first of all, you want to maintain your nuclear arsenal to be able to have a credible threat. But also, like, this also means that the nukes have to be used for strategic purposes rather than tactical purposes, okay? If that makes sense. But basically, we have to remember, like, militaries and they have a doctrine, and this doctrine

determines how the Barclosry operates. And they're not really flexible in this regard. The United States has a first strike option, but every other country has a deterrence option, okay? So that's point number one. Point number two is that Russia is heavily invested in this war. It wants Iran to win. If it loses, if Iran loses and collapses,

Russia is in a lot of trouble, right? And this war, the way it's going is benefiting Russia tremendously. oil prices have shut up and, you know, the Russians are laughing all the way to the bank. Sergei Lavrov have come out and said that they will support the Iranians any way they can. There's reporting

from Russia and Post that the Iranians are getting targeting intelligence from the Russians. And this is exactly what US and NATO did in Ukraine as well, right? So it's almost payback. Right. So I think that as this thing progresses, Russia will slowly come

in. And at one point, Okay, Putin will offer Iran a nuclear umbrella, which means an attack, which means a tactical nuclear weapon, if it's used against Iran, will be considered used against Russia. And Russia will respond accordingly to their military doctrine. So that's the second limitation. And the third limitation is people assume that the Israelis and Americans want to win this war. And according to eschatology, no, the purpose is to lose this war, right? So you would use nuclear weapons if you really want to win this war. But, you know, like if you just want to force America out of the Middle East,

you want to force America to retreat from Middle East, and you want Israel to build the Greater Israel Project, and you don't need nuclear weapons. You don't need to win this war. You just have to drag this war out. Because, you know, the Israelis aren't going to commit ground troops. That would be insane. It's America that's going to commit ground troops.

So what it's going to be, it's going to be a death match between the United States and Iran. And Israel is going to sit back and laugh their heads off, okay? I mean, like, they may be attacked by the Iranians, but it's American military that's going to suffer the brunt of the damage. So from the Middle East really perspective, there's actually no point in using nuclear weapons. What's the likely role of a country like Pakistan with nuclear capability? Could they get unique about this? Yeah. So remember, like, what happened right before the war started is that Pakistan and Afghanistan went to war.

And this is key because before we anticipated that Pakistan might be a wild card in this war, right? Because Pakistan is an ally to both Iran and Saudi Arabia. So during a 12-day war, Pakistan basically offered assistance to Iran. And then right afterwards, what happened, and this is key is that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan signed a mutual defense pact, meaning that the Saudi Arabia was war to be attacked, then Pakistan would have to come to its defense primarily with the nuclear deterrence option. But now that Pakistan is in war, it doesn't have to meet any of these applications, right? So Pakistan is trying to remove itself from the equation.

But we still know that America is conducting airstrikes from Pakistani airspace. And it's, and there's concern that the Americans will fund and support the Bullocks, you know, this ethnic group, the Balakis in South, East, Iran. And they've always had ethnic conflicts with the Persians, okay? But I think that Pakistan is smart enough to stay away from this war. To the extent that the desalination plans and the oil refineries are getting hit on both sides, on the Israeli, GCC, and Iranian sites, draw a picture in terms of the economic repercussion on the Middle East and also on the rest of the world, including Japan, Korea,

China, India, Southeast Asia, and the rest of the world. I mean, we're talking about tons of oil and gas flowing through the straight or form Hormuz. And, you know, if you don't have oil, you can walk. But if you don't have water, you can't live. It's pretty existential. Right. So remember, the Arabian Desert was mostly uninhabited or had very sparse population

for most of its history, right? And so it's only really with the rise of Pax America, Canada, that these Gulf states became extremely wealthy. They had the protection of the American military, could sell their oil everywhere. And so this could have the petrol dollar system, which meant that the GCC nations could sell their oil in U.S. dollars and recycle all this back into the American economy. and the American government would promise it military protection. And this worked out really well for decades. And it basically allowed the Gulf states to expand far beyond their capacity. Right.

So, Riyadh, for long as time, was a population of maybe tens of thousands, 100,000 that knows, right? Now it's in the millions. But the problem with Riyadh, in other places in the GCC is that it doesn't have clean water, it doesn't have access to fresh water, doesn't have access to food. The GCC imports about 89% of its food from overseas. These desalination plants are responsible for 60% of its water needs, and it imports its large workers from overseas. So it's a ridiculous situation. It's almost like a mirage.

It's a hallucination. These places should not exist. So now what this war has done is it's punctured the illusion, the mirage of this place. And a lot of it is just based on delusion, right? Like Dubai saw itself as the new Hong Kong or the new New York City, like this financial hub for the world elite. But the precondition is safety and stability, right? And that's gone. So like, guess what?

When these guys leave, they're never coming back. Right? I mean, like, like the reality is you're stuck between Israel and Iran. And these countries are never going away. So like, you know, what's the point? So Dubai is dead. And the Iranians have really targeted the UAE. And I think that a lot of it is just this revulsion among the Islam world against the UAE as this as this like this den of Satan really, right?

I mean, like, what's Dubai known for? It's known for its blitz. It's known for its decadence. It's known for its corruption. So the UAE is basically dead. But Bahrain is now suffering from the strength of revolution because this is the Shia population ruled by a Sunni monarchy. And so there are a lot of these contradictions in the GCC. So the GCC is basically dead.

I mean, the GCC is a construct of American Empire. If the American Empire dies, so does this GCC. All right. So the only way to save the GCC is if it's able to, negotiate a ceasefire between America and Iran. And the GCC then becomes the client states of Iran. And why would the Americans allow that? They would rather have the GCC destroyed, right?

So, I mean, it's just, I mean, like, I think it's pretty clear. So you think the safe haven premium has been taken out? Yeah. For the GCC countries. Yeah, I mean, well, I think what's happened is the illusion. For a long time or for good or just for a short time? Because the illusion has been shattered. And once you show the illusion,

you can't, you can't resurrect it anymore. Wow. Now, draw a picture for opposed Gawk and Magog Wolt.

Is it, is the Pax Judaica will cast in stone or? Yeah. So I think Pax Judica is pretty set. They've been planning this for like decades, okay? And this plan goes back centuries.

And these are the most powerful people in the world. So they don't really care what we think. They don't really care if we know their plans. They're going to implement it. All the pieces are in place for Pax Dudaica. And so you have Pax Judaica where Israel becomes a hub of global finance, global trade, global technology. And you're like, well, Israel doesn't have that many people. Well, guess what? They can import the labor from India, right? They can import tens of millions of people. to work as laborers in this pasturaeica. And so why is it before the war?

Maldi visited Jerusalem and sign all these wonderful agreements with Israel. Because what Israel wants is access to the cheap labor of India. And that makes sense for India, because remember, how China became wealthy is by exporting cheap labor overseas. It had an abundance of cheap labor. And then it took people from the fields, put them in the factories, and that's how China became wealthy. Now, India, because of political issues, because of logistic issues, cannot actually replicate the Chinese miracle. But what it can do is export its people overseas to become wealthy, okay?

And that's what it's doing in Canada. That's what it will do with the issue. Okay, so that's a plan. So, Indians, Chinese, and Filipinos will become the laborers of tax, Judaica. And so what they're trying to do is to try to create the conditions for World War, between Israel and Gog and Magog. And the biggest question is like, who is Gog and Magog?

And again, we're not clear, okay? But the most likely candidates, if you just know scripture and if you've been following this eschatological debate, the most likely candidates are Russia and Persia. Okay?

So think about this, where Russia is winning this war in Ukraine and it's now going to become a superpower. And then Iran, even though it will lose against America, it will be able to rebuild itself as a much stronger nation. And eventually, Russia and Persia will feel threatened by Israel, and this will lead to the war of Galk and Magog. So that, I think, is the general gist. But again, I mean, the thing about eschatology is that it's never that specific. It's never that detailed.

It's a general framework, okay? So there will be a World War, the final war, and possibly a nuclear war. But who Gog and Magog is is up for debate. Look, there are others who suggest that Gog and Magog is actually metaphorical, right? But I think these people will take it literally. And I think if you would take it literally, then it would be Russia and Persia. How does China look at all this? Yeah.

Okay. So. Or how does it fit into the picture? Yeah. So in the eschatology, there are two nations that are not involved. And it's really important they're not involved. The first nation, of course, the United States. The United States is not involved in any of this.

The second nation is China. So let's talk about the United States. So United States is this global empire. And the United States is not involved in this eschatology. And the United States can be a wild card because the United States could support Paa Straitica. The United States could also support Gog and Maga. So you want the United States out of this equation.

And the way you do that is you manufacture civil war in the United States that occupies Americans for years, possibly decades, okay? But you have to remove America from the rest of the world and have them secluded in the Western Hemisphere. All right. So that's America. China, so this is a heart, okay, because like everyone believes that China is in the superpower and the Chinese economy is certainly miraculous. But these eschatologists, they're occultists, all right? They know how the universe works. So they are almost trying to read the movement of stars, they're astrologists, trying to figure out how things come together.

And no one ever talks about China. And the reason why is that in the grand world of the universe, China does not matter. China has never, ever mattered. China is a fiction of our imagination. The idea that maybe a thousand years ago, China was this glorious Tang dynasty that was the upper side of the world, that's just a thing in our heads. The ancients didn't know about China. They didn't really care about China. And the Chinese didn't know about the ancients, didn't know about the Persians, didn't know about the Jews, and they didn't really care.

So China is actually in its own world. And it's called the Middle Kingdom for a reason, because China is its own universe. And so China does not want to get involved in this war. And China doesn't want to be part of this eschatology. And it's possible, okay, that East Asia will suffer from a series of calamities that negates its involvement in the world. Okay, so, so, so I mean, like, I know it's hard to understand, okay? But the occultists don't believe China is relevant. They don't think Southeast Asia is relevant.

basically. Wow. I want to go back to what you alluded to earlier. If Trump is a believer of chaos, then there's not likely to be a midterm because he's going to use this emergency powers, right? At the rate that midterms are at the state level, but he's going to be able to use that emergency power to over basically come or veto over the state level. It is possible. It is possible. It is possible. And what's the likelihood for a civil war, which you've alluded to earlier?

You know, again, the civil war in America is part of the eschatology. And, you know, honestly, I feel as though they're manufacturing the civil war right now. Now, if you go back to Minnesota, right, in early January, right, when the ice people went in, a lot of things that were happening seem overly provocative, right? So people may not remember, but before the ice agents went in, there was a lot of things that were happening. went in, there was a order to film as much as possible, to create as much social media content as possible. Why would you do that? That's kind of strange. You know, you're an ICE agent. You're there to arrest criminals, right? Or illegal immigrants. Like, but, but no, no, you have to create,

you know, social media content. And the reason why, why is, like, they're trying to draw attention to what's happening in Minnesota to try to inflame emotions, okay? And remember, Before this ice operation, there was a movie that came out called One Battle After Another. Even if that was an accident? Have you seen the movie? Do you really think this is coincidence? Do you really think this coincidence? Right? And the movie, for those who haven't seen, it's about this revolutionary group who's fighting these fascists who are trying to deport illegal immigrants. These illegal immigrants are these saints that we must protect. And these fascists, these military people, they're all demons, basically.

I mean, like, that's literally the plot of the movie. And like, you know, I watch it. It's very emotional. It almost makes you want to get involved in this war. It makes you want to fight for justice. And it's not an accident that right afterwards you have, you know, this conflict between ice and protesters in Minnesota. The rainy good shooting seemed a bit manufacturer. Alex Petty.

Pretty. Alex, what was mean, petty or pretty? Anyway. Anyway, that was definitely manufactured. They basically hunted him down because he was a very vocal protest who had many run-ins with ICE before. And so they basically, yeah, I mean like, like if you just look at the video and what happened, it seemed as though they hunted him down. And again, that's all to create the preconditions for a civil war.

Jung, if you came out saying exactly what you've been saying in the 90s, people would have labeled you conspiratorial. Yeah. Right. And on the back of what the mainstream guys are saying, right? But you've said that the mainstream guys are losing steam anyway. So how do you think the young generation is going to have to get used to stuff that would have been deemed conspiratorial as mainstream? Look, I mean, the thing that's most important is to pay attention.

Because the reality is that this new generation does not pay attention. Even in school, they don't pay attention. I know because I'm a high school teacher, and they are distracted. Their minds are somewhere else, okay? They're on social media. They're constantly distracted. They're either distracted or they're depressed. Okay, so in, so I mean, the amount of medication prescribed to young children nowadays

is this absurd in America, right? These SSRIs, it's just absurd. What are you doing? You're frying their brains, really. That's what these drugs do. they actually destroy your capacity to think for yourself. It just leaves you numb and indifferent. But that's what they want.

They want a numb and indifferent population that they can enslave, that they can rule over, who are complacent, who are complicit. The most important word nowadays that you're taught is to be complicit. Sorry, not complicit, compliant, to be compliant. Compliant, yeah. Yeah, right. And what they want is compliance. and that's what you're taught in school nowadays.

Talk, talk, this is the last bit of the discussion. Talk about what you're doing in the field of education. How do you think contemporary education ought to be like going forward? I teach the great books. Not just for China, but for humanity in general. I mean, I teach the great books. I teach Plato, Homer, Dante, Milton, Shakespeare. I mean, what I try to do is,

I try to show students that the great books are portal into the mind of the universe, into the divine consciousness. And the great books, it's a lifelong teacher, it's a lifelong guide into what true happiness is, into what true meaning and purpose is. And so I try to steer them into that direction. I've been trying for the past 30 years with very limited success. One thing I've learned recently, that's really important is you must, regardless of the results, always speak this message. Because the entire universe is watching what we do. We are all connected to the entire universe. And each of us can be a beautiful way of light if we will it, if we choose it to be.

So even though, you know, I'm speaking, even though no one hears me, I should still speak anyway. because someone could hear me, if that person hears me and is willing to listen and open his ears, Jesus said, open your ears, right? That could change the person's life directory forever. All right. So I've been doing this for the past 20, 30 years. And only recently have I been getting a lot of attention because, as you point out, 10 years ago, everyone would think I'm insane.

But now, because of course, these current events, they're forced to reflect. So I see myself as a messenger. I see myself as trying to spread a message of hope. And those who can hear will hear. And those who cannot hear won't hear. But I have a responsibility. I have a duty to my children, to my three young children, to speak out as loudly as possible to spread the message to build a better world.

You could be spending time at a university. Why did you choose to spend time at a high school? for me, what's most important is intellectual freedom, right? Do you work at a university? I mean, there's very little... I do. There's very little freedom in the university.

I mean, you have to publish papers that conform to a certain set of values. But, I mean, you can't really question the entire apparatus of society. You can look at some narrow issues and build on top of existence scholarship and that will get your tenure. But if you were to, like, say,

I want to actually look at things fundamentally. I want to look things broadly. I want to look at things as they are as opposed to as to how they should be and really try to get into the essence of truth. You'd be laughed at at a university. Everyone will figure crazy. I know because I work with professors. Wow.

You know, I come from a place where I think the quality of teachers or teaching could be better. And I'm in a camp that believes that teachers are, really playing the role of infusing imagination, ambition, and to some extent, serendipity, to the students, right? And I think you're a great example of that. Somebody who can actually inspire people so that they have imagination, ambition, and hopefully serendipity. What would be your message to people from the developing economies? You know, for somebody that wants to elevate the quality of teaching, the quality of education, so that they get to be much more open-minded, they get to be much more humanist. Two words. You matter. Don't think, oh, you know what,

there's 8 billion people in the world. I'm just one person, so don't matter. Don't think, okay, you know what, we're ruled by demons. They're too powerful. They can start any worse they want. They have nuclear weapons. I should just give up. Don't think like that. Think I do matter. right? In hermetic philosophy, there's something called the law of cost and effect, which means that everything is interconnected. The world, the universe is watching us. And it's all interconnected in that, like, you know, if you choose to be a good person, that affects everything. Okay. It's like a butterfly effect where just by choosing to be good, you spread good in the world. So you do matter. But you have to choose to matter, okay? You have to believe.

that you matter. A very important principle in the world that people don't really appreciate it's at a free will. Well, and it was like, you know, oh, Professor Jiang, Mr. Jiang, you are saying so many controversial things. Aren't you afraid for your own personal safety? And the answer is like, no, I'm not afraid because you have to let Satan in the door. You have to deal with the devil before he can punish you for betraying him, right? If I think of it, I think, choose like, I don't want to be involved in this mature world. I just want to teach and be left alone. I don't want to seek power. I don't want to seek fame and wealth. There's nothing the devil can do to you. You have to be tempted by the devil first and foremost. Okay? And I choose to live a life

of enlightenment, wisdom, and virtue. And I'm having a huge impact because of my choice. And before, I was a nobody. Before I was just a random high school teacher in China, and they're like millions of random high school teachers in China, but because I choose to actually my free will to speak up, because I choose to matter. I am having influence in the world. Okay, so everyone does matter, but you have to believe that you matter, and you have to fight to matter, and that really means about waking up and opening your mind to new possibilities and educating yourself.

That is the future that we have to fight for. Why do you think the world or even the universe lacking in love? Because we've been fooled to believe that love doesn't matter. We've been full to believe that only the material world matters. We've been taught to believe that to show love to your children, you have to get them into private school. You have to get them into Ivy League. But you know what?

Love is who we are. And if we just show generosity and compassion and openness, to other people, then we create love. We bring God into this world. And that's a message that people have forgotten. And honestly, I think it's a message that the elite have purposefully hit from us. Two final quick questions. How do you think the Trump-She meeting will turn out in April?

I think it'll be wonderful. I think it'll be spectacular. I think there be a grand bargain between China and the United States that restores a lot of bilateral relations. I think it's possible that China starts to buy more oil from the United States. I think the meeting will go much more better than people anticipate. That's my gut instinct. I could be wrong, but that's my gut instinct.

Final one, quick one. Do you think Trump is going to be able to pull it off in running for a third term? I would bet good money on it, yes. Thank you so much, man. You've been kind with your time. Thank you. That was Zhang Swee Chen. Thank you.