Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Judo Suwidji: Butuh Berapa Tahun untuk Bangun Budaya Literasi Bangsa?

Episode Date: November 1, 2023

Mungkinkah ‘Indonesia Emas’ tanpa literasi? Gita Wirjawan dan Co-founder Periplus Bookstore, Judo Suwidji, membahas bagaimana kita dapat menumbuhkan budaya baca di Indonesia — yang kuncinya terletak pada gotong royong. Literasi harus disemai dari rumah tangga, dipupuk di institusi pendidikan, dan dirawat oleh segala lapis masyarakat. Yang tak kalah penting, media kontemporer juga mesti turut serta untuk menyiram dan menyinari cita-cita mulia tersebut. Mustahil kita dapat menaikan derajat dialektika bangsa, dan pada akhirnya martabat demokrasi, tanpa tumbuh subur dan semerbaknya literasi di negeri ini. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #Literasi ----------------------- Pustaka Terkait: "Sapiens" (2011) | "Homo Deus" (2015) | "21 Lessons for the 21st Century" (2018) ----------------------- Pahami Episode Ini Lebih Baik: https://sgpp.me/eps160notes ----------------------- Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: [e-mail] | https://admissions.sgpp.ac.id | https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: Daring Entrepreneurs | Wandering Scientists | The Take Kunjungi dan subscribe: SGPP Indonesia | Visinema Pictures

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to make the booku it's really, we can't be narrate to be narration. To be narration

that good, we need we need referencey books, book, which should

be a quality of I'm, I'm I have one MIPP, how we can come back

club club in Indonesia, yeah. Hello, this is Hello, my this is

our time we're coming Udo Suiji as aslaku of Peripus Indonesia.

Ms. Udo, thank because can be on in the acara

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before I'm still. Bapak I had to have one peta. At that that, I wasn't

able to be able to make much, but I'm preschool. Bap I have

puta, because book, book, the books, the text,

because I've been able to be able to be able to be and be able to be able to be able to beware. Trey-itschrist, it's still in the way of Baja. So I'm going to look at the endangna. Peta Indonesia. In peta it, yeah, It's how

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that the book illustrated so I'm after I happen the

one one because I'm to book fair I'm want

to try tell penerbid this what who who

who I was to book fair after I'm periplus So, so after

with her plus I'm always always always always remember with the petal that

that's that's making sure when I'm looking how much Rupa Indonesia

that makes I think from that it made I'm I'm going I'm

think why peta pet at the school, to when I

still S.D. I, too, I was just puttah blue, there's garis merah, but it's

more than it's more. Sometimes I sometimes I sometimes I sometimes I used to school,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I, pet, I, but more color. And it

can't be made there there's batubara, where it we can know,

oh, Banywangi has been made expoed to Australia in the time,

maybe about 50-an in. So, from the peta it was how we can

love we can't love our our culture our culture and also what is the

subberdai alam in the country this that, it's maybe the book

first yeah we're we're we can we, maybe we,

maybe, with usia the yearn't one one about a year at a year at that

the same year. At that's at time we're difficult we can't see if you Bopo Cuncung

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one bookshop actually. Mimpy that, I try pupok, but because I, the time of the school in technique, so I'm a little

tootup, because I also yeah, I think, yeah, what I'm doing in the technique that,

maybe in the labangangas, I'm going to be a bit of technical, but, So, I mean,

I had to get up about marketing and finance. Now, there's, I'm back like,

wado, to go-buku in the other, in Singapore, or even in Asia, and the

other, the other, the same campus, that's, nending, the co-buku that's

that's the, there, coffee shop that we can be enough to see it, and we're,

and, And, too, , in there we many get back book of books that other than

books, but book non-fiction and also culture. Which I'll look, when, yeah, in Indonesia

we can, we can't be able to because we're sometimes we're going, in, yeah,

we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're trying book about Indonesia.

In the 80s, if we're to Bali, tourist, it's still embawarer peta and the peted by the people German. Rata, rata, German, that's made petal. Then I think, why, yeah?

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we're doing team cartography in Perry Plus at the time from 2000-in-pac-ah before, so long

before crisis, yeah, it's, yeah, well-biasa so one one of my partner I'm American,

he, he really really much Indonesia, from Berkeley, and he also senang

menulis about guide book then he made a and it we're like kind of

like a bottle, get them we're we're kind of kind of kind of

from that I'm I'm starting with with book book of

the other other other just just just just

just I think yeah fiction non-fiction yeah a little

More than a little bit, but... Dool, we neediped gram media, to gung, agung, yeah, to get pentok,

you, why not be able to be able to focus, it, more focus, you're doing , it's

more, man, yeah. So, if, not I'm not, yeah, I have must be

a new, a booku that, real a bookshop, that we have to curation, book that's

the book of this year of the year. I'm going to 2009-year-old back. And,

and the people to make a book, that's there's going to be over in

90-an- yeah? Maybe. At the I, I'm going to be able to-bukuk

but, but in 90-an when I saw that when I saw that Haddo

Tocopo book there Waterstone, there borders, there barrage and nobles so, but whenceitain but when I'm

looking minac bach here we need we have we have to think ma

yeah. Bissa operate not with space that big I'm think you

what is what is what is this is it become a kind of for we're more better, or better, or better of

bade of book? I think it has from the from, from, from, so, not only

literati and numeracy that has, but, but, the and the community that

that, that has made, How, how, so, yeah, minat baca, it's able to move.

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had gone to make an executive summary by 500 words gave the book history of America

one night and the day we're going that's lojotment because we're because we're

not used But, if I'm in like, if I'm not as a batas in the room and I'm

after I'm talking about about how we have been in about it's about doing social re-engineering

in many level. For, yeah, if if I'm if you're even bachaboo, it's a

little bit bitxana, yeah, if we're going to go to to go to the in the house tanga

k, at school k, at arisan like like like like

r t RT, Rw Kabupaten, Kota, province that that is really,

with totalitas yeah, this is this I've been there's been there's a political culture

for So, so, some that's important for the time of the next

our children, our children, our, our de, our de, our dee our dee we,

that's, and I'm not, not, in the cubb who, that's

that's that's sound bites that's with 280 character or 140 character,

that's, it's, that's, than, literature, which is it can maybe a thousand

thousand a thousand a thousand a thousand a couple yeah and

and this I got a yeah about about about about how

we can how much how we can do you I'm I'm trying cupas

some data yeah if in the purportakaan that that's

book that from the Pupusaka national in Indonesia that 32% to be related to the

social. 32% to be able to economy. 32% per cent to get with the

human. Which is related with the term, or stem like, just 0.5%.

Less than 1%. Why? Why that? Um, um, one more maybe, the problem

technology, technology that, if I'm because I think I'm because I'm even

because I'm think about book youvahari I think about manusia and also

the humanity and then how much with technology to the technology to the technology

that technology that, actually, yeah, we have got to and move

to the but in the first under the 21st century is, apacacac

we want to make that's very not how much to

take the just, not mouou just not mouc sometimes

like, yeah, especially this, the kind of using social

media. In here, can, like, like, what's the new, but, it's quick. But,

I'm really, I'm looking there's something that's a lot. Yeah, like, to beca book or

surat-cabar just, which, that's, but, the, it's, can't be

good. Bidid than the social media, the, the, the, the book,

the book, or, it's, or not, it's it's just around. But, this is here can be redar

bangal, the same that's that's sometimes I'm looking think that the thinking

that's mind, so about the stem this, this too be able

the skinn't so that not didalame even. I'm actually talk,

I'm about, Is it with AI this to the can't can't can't we can't

human? It's like Yuval Hariri also also make about we still will be in

our our own in the world I think that it is also that

either that either but but but that's that it's

which which which maybe maybe I'm I'm not a from the

side of religion also more to the charred in the more to getterer than

to agamane and yeah it's not to reality

maybe that's why why the people people stem

it also so much the matripan it's very it's

not it's tantang so maybe also in the whole

thing we're we're also more more than to look even in the

kind of so that to get to gally to get to to

get in the people in the people this this is

I'm talking with some professor who got to in Japan

English and America of the people who are people who are tenured in the

bidang STEM common denominator in the we're four they're three and

I'm sorry that observation that investasas that investas for STEM

this is very minimum so and this this manifest in statistics

in America in America where in the in the S-3 in

in 2012 that's from from Hongk to 9,500 and in 2012

which is st. From India 2005 and from Korea Southan

130 from Turkey 450 from Indonesia 82 even

The last I checked, I think the economy of Ghana is far in the economy of Indonesia. Which is we're in-bawahed in the bottom of Malaysia, in the bottom of Singapore. Yeah, can? Jumlaihe S-3

in the bidang stand. Now, this is the with minat to be cached, minot minedem book, the, in allurepustakaan

in national. Yeah, Now, this if I'm it's going to it's going to keep upy or not but if if I'm in

context of the world in the context of bilateral now, than multilateral, capacity our capacity to be negotiating

this is much better tompu on how much we can and ascephat what we can make up,

that productivitance. Now, productivity is not being in up to without Pem Stem

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I'm factor in the I agree with what you that said that

the professor that you can yeah the of the student St.

The not the unilathinga book it's also that's being bachain't quite. Maybe because yeah,

maybe the problem for the problem, and to menantang to we more be

more creative, and more more creative. Maybe the tankang in the education

that did make to, how to more more, all want to want to

get to get but not there are to invest to investas to

the other there. Maybe I think that we have we have we're in the

pediccan also make the people to make all to be

more more than I'm more than didugasked so not being

a university for students for medicewa to make things more things because

to the if we're going to jump, we're not can't be able to

get back we're going to business of book if you that I'm because

because passion but that's it's really if you're talking about

about about the buddhaacabu. Bucan, not just to try kanktow just, yeah, that bonus, if you d'ap. And, sukour, we can beaughan casinambungan, as going concern. It's only be resinambungan

if it's only being in the backang that I think you, you think you're pangin'am man, care, for people people, people,

more rankulbubu, the culture of bachabu. But, but frustrations mustyne it's just not quite can.

Deklilin the people people who are more than TikTok, Instagram, shorts and and line,

line. Okay, lot, there's, many content that more than much more than I'm

sometimes sometimes we're quite, we're quite prettyatin to look people who seebuk

with social media even, even some the book top seller this

is a lot that's that's the social media. So, we have to look

one, with passion, but we also, we're going to keep with data, Pa.

If we just just with straight, lourous that, we're, we're not

but, to be plalajary and mongolah data, and take big data

it's that's the important to be so that can survive. And again,

again, in manage it too we also, we have had to be happy but

also not be too too too too there one

one one that's something but we're also we're

to have team in this team that young that's that can can't

move oh, the way the way it's in the book we're

we'll we're we're using we're using to create to we're just we're

not going just that just for fun just but we're we're

we're we're we're to make it for the child and the

people, so far, how can be read it? How far how? There's optimism that?

That's the trending to a way positive? I'm very optimistic, I think, trend in

the time the book more than the more now, that's more, it's, that in

the education should move. But, it's not it's not much five,

seven years but it's a single year but but once again if you're

not not do or be the a order to

policy to go to go to go what you what you

what you what you the book you can be the summary out of what

did use ulang. Even I think in literacy it's also always

every day. Like air that's like the water. If not every day

it's like the journal it not can be to be to be

to the not the not the, not the,

Paxa or do pacu or do encourage We're we're people and also

people who people who need to encourage the kids to make because there's

there's there yeah the there's all if we not

not start having to make and I'm there's

there not there's there no more like book stem or book of

the book of the termed that's not can be because it's not going to find that

the more the factor people and the people this is very important

I think to make the young young young that

the people to find something that more maybe

maybe some professor or guru That's more than you can't even you can't

make sure you know, try you talk about this professor can see really think to find

about about the new that from the student who the student who did give the thesis

but there is a professor also learn with the well, now,

and this is that maybe we can we we have got

to get to the of the and maybe not only in the S-1

but if could be it's done to high school to SMA even if even if could be

still if it's if I check yeah book that's book who's the first

after after after after this kind of 30-th jute yeah the title

this this is this is the the first There's resum. There are informal.

But we makecue to the formal just to the formal just about people. If we're making,

from 280 million people that are in Indonesia to be a half book just.

This two people in Indonesia to be one. It's all. Selsa, right?

Selsa. Then, then. And then, we need to talk to be able to talk.

One same other other kibisksana allure wisdom, all the

world people, it's been read it's and okay, like,

maybe there people who can't be able about 20 minutes but there other

in Indonesia that maybe probably two people, we're not pa we're just

we're just in six-bulan, but we target can be able to buy in Baca,

stagher book. Okay, la, we can simplify the same the way of the way

that's a book, anguplah 150, 200,000 that's about 200, you know,

we're doing just, we're doing, each, each, so, so. Yeah,

right. Right. So. Then, then, then, then, that

who can doongen to 279 million 99 people are than men don't know

whacks ma'am more so more more than mutton I'm I think

that million book but I check just 130-an-gut not

not much too and it too and it too many the

penurbit is the penurbit private yeah Okay, like, the institution

publication that's that's people, but we're we're doing and the doctor and theftar

and the individual, publisher, publisher, shapapapun, now, this, if we're really

want to be depen the culture and we're making mission, we're, we're,

we're trying, we, srap, the the world that's documentation in 13

million books. Want fixie or non-fiction but it's captured in a database that's

the same the day, it's every week I try I try I'm trying about

and I'm saying I'm I'm back, I'm I'm I'm just if they're not

like, eh, if they're if they're they can ask, they can ask, and they're

not that can can be rekayasa or in Akalim That's one way to accelerate

process pediccan or pencaring ilum Yeah, I think that's that's

back back back to yeah but this political culture that has been to the

people's just in the capital Ideal, because the room-tangar is the place people that's the

place of the point of but in school in arisan like playing bull-tankis. So, we're making club at

every arisen. But, but the peoplepins in institution social, institution academic, institution,

economy, institution public policy, politic, and, and, that's, if, you can,

you know, You, try, be a budaugh, this this is a world, this is a

because we're nother, because we're not, I'm not. I'm not. I justru want,

to be morbid can shabapapun, like, people, how much, me, for they can

make, for they're notator. Because we tellap, if they're people with the

people, who are people, you know, We're joconging. We're tel-up if we're from the

people who are not only being bernedict but jago-donging. Yeah, if we're going to make-mage, we're just

we're doing where, deficient the deficiency's in the money. It's a step in the

right direction. Yeah, it's a move from all this line from from the people,

I'm going to talk about I'm about one topic even even in the pediccan

if you're if you need to give you doggas mendongenging and storytelling can

one one one class for the child and also the school

and that that is one of one one of one part of

the part they can make the And it's from mendonging

in class. So I think leader, or even in the pediccan in school, can be able to learn

and storytelling-kind. So, so, the sonac also is, people, and

tellcating it like this from the book, it's one one one one.

And, you know, maybe, it's from the guruner guruny, let's

people people who who are doing volunteer, then the people also

lotian in the family with the and this the school. I think

there's a bit a bit a little bit that started that's

one book, every month or one one one one

in one room there, there five people, two two

people, two, two, two, two, Masing, Masing, Souru Baca

one book. Yeah, right? Yeah. With mission, Nanty, until 280 people,

to do, Bacae one Bucco. Dutuskand so, a book that's also, maybe,

one thing, that's a little bit. That's, Bacacu, in five Bucu, down,

it's, it's, one, one, one, one, one, one, one,

one, one, one, and then, he's recalue. Then, then in the room the other

one of the same. Room of the other end of the end, uh, 280,000 people, to be read, then he can't

hear what they're that's been by, who's been by, that's, from the

can't be from the Kallemantan, Sulawesi, Papua, Sumatra, Flores, and,

and, and, and, that, it's great though, though, we can't,

we can't I think perspective and don't dunging that but it about about

about what what you about the about talk about in Norway or in America in Somalia

like in in Somalia or in Vanuatu or in where kren, kind? Kren

very. How? How much how, or, anywhere if I give a time to

talk about I'm sure as a maximum possible to make the public. Mo digital or non-digital,

it's right. If I, I'm juster, I can't be able to makegap if you're not just to make

hard copies. That's that, ma. I've got I've got kind of kind of kind of

kind of slow down. But if I Megang Kirtas I think it It's been Oxford Cambridge

5 years last year they're They're making back And then Nulis Inde

for the kids That's Warr-biasa because The reason Yeah Because

she can't Because they He can't Heberus It's motoric halus But

But memory The Otak The child, it is that's going to

be coming. I think with the thing, back to human this,

that's that I can get back and he said that how you

make more than megang book than electronic books that is man

can't fact the perkemanger from e-book that to the time to

turn. From 2014 until 2019, men were in 2019, 10, 5, 7%. That's

because the number of people who do you Or? Beindah to, get back

to hard coffee. It's only. It's. And I'm on 20 because

pandemic. Casulitance they're to book. This is in the world, ma.

then he napeak about 7% then 2021 turn again

5% 222 222 turn again 5% so so much

there's perjunan in hall ebook but but even but they're

different with textbook or the higher education that they're they're

many people. But, many people who are making the feeling that's like we're

better. We're about in 1per-3 book or in 1-4 book or in the psychologian

bed. Psychology is bad. If in tablet, she just merasa. Yeah.

Same just in one in one one. That's that we're saying we're more

more than in Bacacin' in tablet, is it, and than physical. But what is what is come

in memory it will be longer and more than more tinket in the book, the book,

physical, that's, the trend is the trend the main. I've even, I've heard

that in Europe, to do you have used again, to use with ballpen

and this this is the same with the pen for example that's important in Europe

so you're demand for ball pen that's it's been because there not only policy

but also study medis that you that did you know that you mean

that you came back and secalal that you yeah yeah rather than using

two with the jempole, maybe better more than five-jari maybe if we're going to

more than cognition we're more. Maybe there more than more than more than two-jari

or with keyboard. Yeah. This is one statistic that's if we're if we're

publica book per-town in the of the America America States

that's a year that's a year title 500-roup-a- $500,000 than

$1,000. In Indonesia, it's 135,000. But, this, the, the majority

title of the country, the panorjamah. Yeah. Tell it, how.

How much? Well, because budaa the way the automatiness automatically

buddha for menulis it's also we're we're we're quite because

why penalists we're we're up a brief of history of Indonesia

I do bach that's that you that's people people people

people actually I'm sedate, why we not have put in a

good because I'm doing this because I'm think of the book the

history Indonesia in the so much it's much to be able to but

my own is that the people in the world that has

to understand Indonesia with good so I think I'm

I don't know to menjolkian this from pre-sejara to the after after Mr. Jokovic

still is there in this. So, I think this is what we need can. Penulis

Indonesia, can't make, so, so if a lot of America, then,

then, every year, the So, actually, they total, it's America and Europe,

it's up medicated one-juta, 1,000, 1,000, per-a- per-a-one. Now,

it's, maybe 50% it's of the penerbit that they edit with good.

Now, we've got to bea-jemalhan, and also book-buk-buck-turb-ton-indis. So, the local publish, the quality of it, also better.

So, yeah, this is back. How much we're making literacy in the life of people, and penitika in Indonesia,

so that there's many people who are people who are doing, you know, But it's really to make sure to make sure to make

to write school and guruna. But, but guruja also has one goal too.

For example, every year school is there has a book that can beterbite can,

that's written by the guru and the student and and the and

can't be used in in the way asing also. Not can't

always intergebaked with we put in we're talking in the language and then it's just

it's it's true from Korea, Japan, India, they're to know in the

English. Tionk also. They're also in English. And they can be

to be the threshold that the threshold that is made or be put

by publications or publisher international. Now, if the people are people are in Indonesia can't beware thresholds

like that. But, the fundamental is if we're not be a buddaya bach, how we can be a buddaya

nulis. Yeah, not we can't because because of the two of being,

in batas intuition, yeah. It's It's not berubungan. Betul. Now, this, this,

this, if I think I'm needlucan engineering. And, okay, if we're

going to with the power of house-tangue, people, but this this is, you know,

not, with media that un-conventional. Selamma media that conventional, this, not want,

be a-kepting to make- working social re-engineering. For, we can, can be be able to

culture of bach book. Yeah, right. So, there's many topics,

topic, yeah, pa. That's interesting, that's that's the way,

and also, yeah, maybe about, I think, I think, I'm going technology,

the technology, the lemurapan, but about, yeah, start with a story and maybe

too. That's little little so I've been I've seen the statistics I'm publicing national

book of the book who the book the topic of the story that's the above 1% so that

is the social law and economic 32% 32% and each personal per capita

0.5% history is below 1% philosophy in the bottom 1%. Wow, that I said,

we're not anti-social, anti-economy, anti-hook, but terapan, philosophic, and,

and it's important so much. Yeah, can't not as penting economy or what, but,

yeah, not be under one percent. Yeah, I think about, I'm going to

say, the same And, the other we're kind of we're kind of

we're quite and have been quite and have we're right we're going to batick

tenunan also there. But we take things things things

point that unique from one that we're we're also

must make kind so I'm very Nathaniel Natmex. Oh, yeah,

it's good. This is a story how Indonesia so much about. Captain Nathaniel. So, to the Plow Run.

In Pulau Run, it's, didtukar with Manhattan. So I think, waddu. And he makesikkan

betapa, yeah, I'm sorry, the men, the men, from the people, people,

people, people, than what, not dimbun what what's what you're from the people from

from the English when you. And what making the war in Rune or the island Rune, that because

riftn's many so. He can't be barbub and be resandar long in the plow

so he must from far and then he Pindhka to be dingy with a little,

little, the world, that's, the full-an- -town- the end. And, the,

settlement is, the, between Manhattan and Run that's that's that we're

that we're thinking that's at how we're how much if it's not if it's if it's Wall Street

will be in the Polo Run will be the Poozaan bank investations will be the Poulouin

the Pounder Canda Canda Canda Yeah it's kind twist of fake same

with Bengulu with Singapore that that's Ducur can yeah the Raffles and and other,

that's, yeah, I'm quite about about about the story. And I'm not this important for the kids

young, yeah, I've been that the media social is media social, it's, and the

young, our men, people, with the , about, about the knowledge

the story of it. I'm I'm I'm see, I'm from,

yeah, from it, can, can can't can't can't

it with with the I don't know how much how much the

the we're doing we can see we can be this this is a

picture the tampak Indonesia in the pet that so

that the big the from the Los Angeles to Boston or Teheran to Boston or Teheran to London

So, be that bigot I think we're we're, yeah, has been much engali. I want to ask you how much how much

the number of books that are publication in Indonesia that is a half jute, a year. How much so

it's majority from books of book of public the book that's

that's the title Indonesia or that that's written by the

people people are people who can't make people people who can't be mending

standard international that be done by by that's whether,

Harper Penguin and publishers publisher line. That's one

That's a perjalan panjang, I think, ma'amang it must be, latique, but, but, it's not even, if it's not possible. If it's a lot, yeah, competition,

maybe we can we'llembakan for a competition benulis about one topic. For, misalien about

salit like that's how we can how we can allow salis that. Yeah. Biodiversit

that's that's shawit biodiversity diversities of our data our own

right right right yeah, yeah, that's many so many

topic that but but it has to chary who people

who that's good, who will have been referencey. Because in when I'm writing

it's kind of again again again just she she's maybe

but there's with reference there's not that about the book, not know

I'm yeah I have I have I'm kind of that we can

make say some that you know you know talk

about about cal salp salate if if book

can be one one publisher that's great really up front I'm

buyer 100 million or 500 million or 1M or 1M not there is professors

professors professors in all universities in Indonesia to be upkit that

oh, well, I'm jabbaugh yeah, then. And then. And then

we're making sayembarra too. You know, you know about biodiversitas

how we can't quantification the economy biodiversity we're actually Patnerbit

Asing like penguins sorry Collins or Random House at this this is trying to

book books that that's written that are people people people

just they've got manuscript not Indonesia which which

which not not not not many It's, that's,

to be the most of the also not no matter. But this this is did, did, be able,

yeah, can. Maybe, with incentive, yeah, can, if we can get-in corporeation,

or siapapen. I was that day talking to gomboble, how, or whether we have to be able to bemerinted.

If I'm in fact, that is we're not we're not because of the government. Yeah, right? Stude. Although, but we're not because

we can't be able to move. That's mindset that's subtle, but it's very fundamental. Yeah, Yeah, if we're maju, almost past the

the government will know the logoing in the career we're not-pah so-sucur he wants to give back

help us and but don't too be harap this despite we can't because we're because we're not because we're

now, that's what we need to that we're and I'm and I'm looking topic like clapasawit

like karek like, karek, like, whatever we're making a producer

that's top 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 in the world, it's to narrasically

scientifically. Pernah, I, back, I'm back, that's, did get with team

Christian Dior. Um, the person French, that, you know, you do,

you know, you know, not book or have got manuscript about hairstyle of Indonesia I'm

I'm really interesting why why yeah because team of Dior this is looking to museum

in Belanda they're saying wow amazing that's sangulness

hairstyle Indonesia even though even even put and the book by

the manuscript and museum that he said he's been from the end of Sumatra

to Papua that's he said who can be able to be able to do you're very

very much need pendonging need narrator and tell I agree,

I think I can't to be a lot to be able to say, I know to list about Sangul.

Wow, it's a they're there's there at the museum ,

like in Gali, like who man who great. Ceremba. Bucuayang

people, people, people, Italian, there's who who's Chris. But we

need penonging and need to put penulis. I think biodiversity to gold

mine. This is like black box. We have feeling. This is kind of kind of

but feeling I, this the value economy yeah great

and it's and say if there there can't there

can make Yeah, can decalcate. And, and bydascarant and based on

document the document that's we can't get back to the way, wow, great,

that. And I see, we can't make only just say barra. Ifap

who's qualified, can't be used something that's something how much,

we're we're some of this. Yeah, muddun- that's not on this can be called

yeah, right, I'm sure, I'm sure, because this is I'm going to know, as far as

cognition, we're not callah. But, capacity we're we're going to we're, we're

about India. Yeah. I always know, I'm going to people, I'm going to be d'neng.

But, mamma, we're, everyone, guru will be look, well, well,

yeah, tenang. Yeah. Because, not been, be debat in the

and not ever to give up and not ever to give up until. Right. But, is, like,

to say, when I'm doing and also presentation that bad, rat-rata at the

when we had at the time, the end debate, can, possibly from the other

people, and the other than the other asiaia and I'm doing at the

That's that's who's who areang people are people people India immigrant or notcum

that's because not know how they're not know how they're jago necrap but this I'm going to India in context

bach and bach India is in partarungan in the international that's there's bongusan

world trade organization That they always They're always dhantam Why you can't you can't do you buy a book

much? That they're already money. Mennate two things. Obat and kertas

with book. So if we buy book the title that's the American, the $40 in India

is just $3. Because India is bullet he's important for the people can be

pediciccan bode amat. Obab also must murrah very generic. Until now

Tionk also took from India for semi-finish products forobotan for opat or abat

pharmace. Farmasi. Asia Tengara is there is so much from India for the abat because

because it's because it's very that. That's, I think for the because

they're they're mending to the people are and they're themmenting for people who people need to

people who people who people who they're in the they're they're in the position

to the position to the city in Silicon Valley yeah in Wall Street in in pharmaceuticals

in academia in academia in politics or put in policy in in different inigran

immigrant immigrant yeah we're we're we can't be able to yeah

I'm bach and can be narration that's that's that's we need to

give back and also maybe the matter that you the book more because they

because they use because they're using that's that's can't

be set and can be but but but also but because

they're they're also they're more they're Masherakness to to read

something authentic. There are in the Rindy but maybe there's also there also there's also

there's also there's also to make sure to make production book this to bea the payer

this in thaninginging wow the payers in Singapore that how much Kirtas

in Singapore sometimes we can get more than we can get back more but that it's

Kretas Indonesia. Moreh and also quality the A premium. Sedangkan in Indonesia, we get back

we get paid the same but not the premium. Not the premium. Because the premium for the export.

In there, or not not, the price to pay with cartes from other from other.

From the other. If it's not the price more, not This is a lot. This is PR's a

Yeah BAN. How we can ignite the data or the and the partaric

to the in the house, school, and like, how we can make the tarick

to to mienem book that that's related with the STEM,

how we can to be it production? Actually, the way of production also depending on from the quantitative

because because the not the bacchance the big, he can be being more redact. Kertas

that's the paper that's more better than the cartas than the impasarked in international. You're

look at the front how you? I think to the future yeah Indonesia will

be a kind of minate bachan it will be good but

it's very need to docugugue by the people and the not just

just just the literacy it is diserh to school 100

percent and with school school, the world, and massiracat, and also,

yeah, maybe, as I'm like I'm saying, policy from the government of the area, like,

to make-minted this. If minat-bac- it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

will be more. Because, the sum-lah it's, can't, it's, like,

the time-d- -d-l-l- -p-p-pher-p? how many copies that's in India it's notak so much

it's even it's about to get back to get to people. But, but they're also

because they're because, because, because, because, because, the timegantation and

with argumentation and make book. Yeah, they're to be argument can, have to

beacouement, but but, it's, for, to, we can, to,

we can, We can occupy majority of publications with penulis, penulis local. Biss, in a couple of years. Mm. If social re-engineering this

really, really, can be done from from from the room-tangue, yeah, this, without bantuan from media conventional, maybe will be lamban or incrementalist. Yeah, we're only

can be resandar in media unconventional, like, how we can't embudayacan the buddhaacan the culture of baca book that's more big. It's a little time, I think, what, maybe more than 10

time for the budaya baca this to be to be tarp can, because they've got from from the school dasar, to be able to it,

that in 10-town Yeah, to the yeah, it's already will be able to look. I'm afraid. I'm afraid

I'm in the people from the people who are there's not literacy in this automatically it will be

going to be gulir. But if if only the gauggang in the school

without by the people not be able to not not be I'm can't.

I'm I was that I was like like, nahan this, this correlation between

the penjaman book, stem in the perpustakaan which is quite, correlations with score

we're in Pisa, in the Kallan, the child people of 15 years, that's

the amount under rata the world, I feel, I feel, correlation this. And, if we can,

we can buddhaired book stamp in the perpustakaan buddhae budu book stamp

in the book this will be able with penempat we in pisa

which makes accru proficiency lingual and provisiency stem we're not wrong number 71

from 78 from 78 negara that the under the

yeah in asia the Asia and we yeah not the high.

The top the top is Singapore number two Vietnam. If in the world the world the

people are the top of the number two Singapore. Now, if we can get to across,

sucur tempus in global average. Sucur, can be mewate Vietnam.

Sucur-s-s-s- can't-manyahuas to beware to beware of Singapore, and more than the thing

we're getting to make-cating productivity Right, right. I think that I'm in, I think, in, I think,

in the world to, in the other literacy and numeracy that I think to gettaken because there are

many, there are people who who just thinking, I'm I'm going to my,

and I'm It's It's just Sometimes When I'm There's Not a homework Yeah,

well, It's right People, don't want to report But, but, but,

but we don't think You know, what you did beah what? So, not have

time to get a discussion with discussion with in the family, so that

we're so that, we're want to find a about a bad

discussion so that is something that you can be what you what you can

what we can't we can discuss about to be about to

we can so I think I need I need very

need and care with the same people school and the parents

that platform digital that's in the prokart I did parquet

I'm in 2009 he already well many so much and

disrupts paradigm that pre-existing there there there there

there there there I think platform digital is we're not it's not

quite than are bit in the people are also book book digital it's scan

so in cannibal at a kind of kind of atop in bedel then

that being that's being the scan out of the

next day they're like addu and it is that's that's

hard to hindering. But, the the end up the book that's if they're

good, but he can buy the physical because he can be having a library

like this. Oh yeah. But this platform doha. Oh, platform to sell.

Mastuteer e-commerce. Mm-hmm. E-commerce is very. We're also Perryplus has peri-plus.

com And sales it's also still continue and it is very very feeling from the

people are the book lovers sometimes they're still trying to make to make them to look one two

halemate but if if they're sure with a person person when a young vision

automatically not per little they're just oh when the beat you he will be melancho-commerce yeah e-commerce

will be coming so e-commerce like like peripus.com or Amazon or miscellia toko book

in the marketplace that's that's just be coming but you're not care about about the paradigm

to sell book I think that it's a That's a one combination that two-two-nexalian can be around

between generation mudda can more practice with them online automatically. But feeling

lifestyle especially after the pandemic this, they're really wow, they're in trying.

That's if I'm at airport, I always buy. Yeah, that's just brand Yeah

In other Yeah. In other Yeah. So, there's other brand But they're not

beeniqqqqqu that Yeah. Yeah. And so far the angkanya not menurin, yeah?

Now, it's going to normal, actually. Pasca COVID. Pasta COVID. Yeah.

It's. It's not. It's got to 2000, a little like, but it's

to be 2019 to be until medecate less than 10% but

if at mall still at below. What other other

what we need we need to we need to the important

the end the kind of we we're in our offline

just classic the problem sewa. Because the payia that's going to

make sure and peri plus also people who are going to have been life style bookstore

that's there's stationary there also artwork or who or who be brought with culture

that that is something but but that but if you're well

sewa for a place that's the cost and the biation will be

the more and return of return but we're going to but we're but again

to mind baca so that minute baca and then it's tokebucu also the

book book but people but the people are people who minot butchate much more the

people who mayesue that shrieking get used right good yeah

okay what other youdo who who who in sharing. Yeah,

I think, this, this is a discussion that's quite interesting, me, for the culture of

book. For the young for the time, we're not, we have really,

yeah, man, yeah, man, young, this, how much they're,

how they want, but we're also, we're malate the, This is from

little for we don't know or storytelling can. Buku of their before they

start can't be able to hear about when they can't hear of so they're

because they're being the book first that that made they

I'm I'm I'm so that I'm so can't if the book

that the Like we can't be able to book, if book that's good, if you're being read

it's not because I'm yeah, I'm again, oh, yeah, I'm I think again, so yeah,

so, yeah, and, yeah, and it's really, melate we're,

to be narrati, to be narration. To be narration, yeah, we need, we're

references book, book, book that's a book that to be

a quality and I'm making borking people who people who people who people who people who

people or Andrea Hirata with the book of who's who's the class

but there's there some people people people people

people who people they're they're also still men because of the problem

peddiction they're making about the world that's been menacan can't to make make sure it.

Maybe the power of pediccan, yeah, Pat. Bang. Bange. Now,

India, it's also yeah, maybe jajahan from English, they,

maybe repartican the problem and but, but, but, but,

but, they're, they, they, just, , yeah, Yeah, colongan

my English. Yeah, can. Yaman Maharaja and before you, they're not enough, yeah, they've got to be making touch mal and, and, like, and, like, we're doing.

We're both ofude, and and everything. That's, we've, ever, never garrayan. Yeah, when we were to talk long, like, with ASC, can.

Here's joyan in the pastalal. Yeah, because minat baca, we're just 10th of Singapore, sir,

yeah. So, relatively, not as far absolutely, yeah, right. With Malaysia

just, we're maybe, yeah, maybe maybe about 20% yeah. Bany.

Yeah, after, a year, I've been about about the people,

or the sumas sisu our, which, that in the world Yeah, if we want to try the other than stem,

it's still many that's good in the world yeah, beauched, but it's just because LPDP also, but mythos on the penanaan that's the same parker, especially for the importance of S-3

because 80% from the pendanaan for the $7 in STEM, in America, it's disdied-of-old institutions pendidication.

So, issue why, Tyeongk can't 6,500 people who lost S-GA, in-Stem,

India, 2,500, Korea, South, 1,300, Turkey, 4-50, Indonesia,

just 82. That issue issue of competency, not issue of the issue penanaan. Now, it can beimbing,

can be lathe for we can make up to succour-sucur-sucur 2,500, like India per-a-a-a-purtan. You must qualify

first. If you qualify, you'll be done-in with school that. Yeah, but if you not qualify, then you'll complain

again not have been the P-D-P. Casian, because L-P-D-P-N-P-N-P-D-P-P also have been standard,

have criteria. Yeah, campus in there's also who have money to be to, but too.

Ibarat kata if there's a amount of from anywhere in Indonesia, diderima in MIT,

did get in Imperial, did it, the time, as far as you know, have been compensation,

you, Dapotot, Dapot, is, not impossible. Apaka, not because not can't

be able to , but, to be able to be able to get money? To try to get up to get money? Yeah, it's not. So, yeah, yeah, comearin that I'm saying with the friends, people,

par professor of the people who are people, where we can make sure forces from Indonesia that's beenbelin to beamed up as to be able. But with a number of great really, it's it's really

money. Maybe LPD or who can model in $1,000 1,000 people to he can be

in English, top-notch, to be able score that great in SAT, G-M-C-R-E, MCAT, and line-in-line.

And, and then, and then, beimb-bibed abyss, to be able to top-notch really,

the Olympia, physica, Kimia, Biology, mathematics. Yeah, if he won emas in Olympiata Mathematica, he's going to be able to be in MIT. Pasty. Yeah, right?

They've got to sit, that's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. And Singapore,

to, think it's gilatner, for investations penitiation, they're not tangu-tangue, belie Pomenanguebett. From English.

tarot in Singapore, Sura, and I'm thinking not one, but 20 to 25. Menang Nobel. Yeah, yeah, we're

to be re-sanguing with the other, the country, like, like, unyiky with,

with, menendkan budae bachabuk, yeah, we'll be consumer just. We're not backal

be able to be a producer. Yeah, To go mong, high tech, AI, and all the other, yeah, we're probably using user. How much we're

doing school and university with link with carejasama with school and university in the world. It's kind of can't makeundang maybe

for professor on here, pertukaran professor and... That's the fundamental. There's a cuterbuckan. I, too, always

be hale if we we're there's under the under when we're from

from the world after the people are in Somalia the people, menangana

Nobel, Souru Nogesue Nogh Shurroudam. If even be that we

have been there's got to putt to get depend on pediccan well

that you must be try if you not the which you not

bernan you can be bicar and not the language and not it's

not it's dramatization yeah but if if you want to make

under it's because that's if not that not

that and other and other Vietnam and Singapore

that black black can men can put can't

get can because Vietnam it can give from

to do in Vietnam. The What's the Who's cerdas? Not blow on. And that's

there's criteria that's and it's and it's for be able to in the English because Vietnam bullet

he wants to be to be to be Yeah this if you if you're

going to learn to learn to but but to becually our own

our this this this is a engineering yeah, right, not it

not about, it's all about, but it but we we're just the a way

the way incrementalism is the general to be the way yeah we're

we're just open mind I'm I think there can more more people

will be more than much. Must. As much. It's more than you get to get. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you get got it just. Yeah. Yeah, like,

four book that's this in this is, it's, one, on the history of

Indonesia, one, on the partiky between English and Belanda, the

one, on location of different in Indonesia. That, can,

divergency, can. Now, if we can be I'm thinking, from the right to the right to the

open can't be able to be there's so it so that you're doing what you want to be able

you can help us to we can be more budge of book and I see that that's one-as-a- carah

and we've too much are jebuck in sound bites that's a bit, 30 minutes, 30-detect, 140 characters, 280-caractors,

dabbating 100,000 Kata. I'ma-Mohmonged I've got. I mean, how we can't makelembankan book club,

club in Indonesia, yeah, like we look Oprah Winfrey. Yeah, how much the book club's not bianna,

but it's something kind of and discipline of time, getalatenan, and, yeah, getterbukaan too.

It's also interesting. If we can, peri plus also, if there's who want to make

book club, let us comeangan with some. Some talkah national, it's also

also, you do, let us make it, there's, it's been one, two,

one one-bun-secally but topic-topic the topic-ne we're also more than even in

marketing or in management just, but we're also we're taking topic topics that I'm think this

this is one one trigger to make people people to make people and also people

after after I'm bach I also I also I'm going menulis Yeah. I think I'm doing

to make sure I'm doing to make sure. I think book club this yeah, maybe

we'll be we're going to getalaken through online or even offline. I'm sure. If you're if you're

going to make a two with Fa Gita. Yeah. But with the underbatasance

yeah. Yeah, maybe with someagian with online not perlo offline like this but

with online it's going to it's a very this this is very this

thank you know thank a little agas about about what that's about the

people but not about we're going we're in a place in a

point in the point in the important and I'm sure and I'm can

Indonesia can with step by step we're we're If we're not even though we're takingal,

but if we can't jump, or even if we're able to do with some policy from the government, or even the area that's being moved, it's, soing, yeah,

this can, yeah, this is, it's, but we're also can't control. Don't even, yeah, guru who's notang, or,

that's, that we're, that we're, standard. Standard. The standard standard is be partongu-jav.

standard. Right, right. But for I'm going to be able to be able. But, I'm going to pay. But I think also, yeah, they're who are,

who's justro, want to, have a time more, maybe. And, and have a experience that's much.

Yeah, and the point of, the potency that's good, in the education, it's, it's just to

be open. Amen. We'll be. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. You know,

Temann, that's Yudoh Suuji, co-founder from Perry Plus Indonesia. Thank you. This is Endgame.