Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Kala Ardhito Bermanifesto | Endgame ft. Ardhito Pramono (Part 2)

Episode Date: October 23, 2020

Bersuara, mengambil posisi, dan tidak takut berekspresi adalah hal penting bagi seorang musisi selagi tidak melanggar hukum. Pernyataan tersebut mendorong Ardhito untuk terus berkarya dan menyuarakan pemikirannya seperti tokoh legenda Indonesia Benyamin Sueb. Menurut Ardhito, digitalisasi media memungkinkan musisi untuk lebih didengar dan diapresiasi baik secara nasional maupun global. Dengan demikian, “go international” bagi musisi Indonesia tidak harus dilakukan dengan berkiprah di luar negeri. 

And if I'm not so, 95 I'd like Billiol. I'd like to be like that. Okay. That's one of the film, attracting. That's one that's not can't be apart. This is endgame.

Now, from pre-existing fan base, that's, that's from out of Indonesia? I can see the analytics, it's probably 30. 30%? Yeah. It's a big.

And actually, we just got calls from London. So there's a hymnunan students in there, who got from Indonesia. Okay. There's one of Indonesia. Okay, but the majority of the Europe and English. They're going to make for wawancara in the majela of the campus.

And I'm flattered. Wow. That's one that organically out from music that I tookuni and can't Did you see yourself as a Bob Marley of Indonesia? Where he can popular music local, yeah, wow.

I'm a big fan of Bob Marley. Yeah. Because I see you a bit like Bob Marley. Well, really? No, because he's has a mission, with or without knowing. Because he, he can make make music local,

but not know how people in America, like in Europe, in the world, that's in all the world, it's, be able to appreciate and enigmatic, yeah, and, of course, it's, and, of course, in the civil war in Jamaica, if, if it's making it?

Right, that's something. And I, if I, if I, if there's, if there are two artists or two athletes that's the calibre is the same. I, if I'm to make them to be different this, I see if he, is he, may not take issues with issues, issue, issue, social, issue politic, issue of the issue,

and, and, and, and, that's, if, I, than, than, one, although, two-two-two-s, the swarer is same, the two-two-lopat-laping. But if it makes one more complete than the others. Now, this I'm going to a bit more single a little, because you've got a bit of an idea of you took issue, or you took a view, yeah.

Now, that, speak from your heart. Why, and what, what, plus minus, minus, from the from the from the things, From the other things like that, I've learned much, ma'am. If, it's really, most likely, everybody loves my work and music. But they don't really care about my thoughts.

In social media, that's why I don't own social media. I mean, I've already did see all the media media, ma. For promosy just, so, I would just make a song. I would just express my feeling, my emotion, chemical unstable in my brain, I'm put on music just, ma.

So, so I've got to learn about if, if I'm just to bring in music just. And it was a mistake, I think, childish. That's, that's. But it's just, right? Abil the hymnah just. And okay, like, if it's... It's, it, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's been a public utility. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not only being platform, but it's being public utility that not only the look, but it's, by every person in this

right, right? And it's permanent. Yeah, right? And it becomes, a platform for judgment. Yeah. Yeah. Where, before, not like this.

And pipa, pipa, communication, is very democratization. Yeah, right, because internet, too. But we have to seep. And I'm seeing, it's process of learning, for anyone, not you just you just.

But I'm just, But I don't mean to pick on you on a specific case, but I'm looking like, like when you when you're using metaphor, energy that's irradiation to audience, that there's equal and opposite reaction from them, that's, if I mean, I'm genuine, commentary. Yeah, right?

And it's, yeah, very Newtonian. in the in the world of physics. But if I'm as a artist, I can be able to be it's important. It's just timing just a bit lesset. And sometimes, people can't come from stymn't stymn't statement,

statement, that's in context, artistic, yeah, right? That's, that's the process of all. And for us all. But going forward, is that you're going to be able to where I want?

I think I would in a good way. I would never break the law. Never say never. Maybe, what, Robo Sama merrapern't know. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Wow.

I was really, I'm pretty prophetic. Oh, yeah? 255, yeah? I'm pretty, that's prophetic. Yeah. So, yeah, I would do such thing like, like, in label, I'm one musician who's very rebel, but I'm going to play the lagoe,

I've got to be in the other than I don't care because I love to give my energy to everyone through music maybe. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm just from mom and Eangang's for equal energy in the room. We learned zikir from 6-year, so I'm going to try to make sure to make what's what I've got from the energy that I've put from the same stuff too.

I'm not to give you to give you, but I only can't be able to tell that artists, artists that hebat and big, that they're not conformist. Yeah, right? If Picasso, from the old, used to do you like this, don't like canvass like like this,

don't lookice before 5'5 pago, don't gophe before looking lookis, not will have product Picasso. Yeah, yeah? True. It stifles, creativity. Yeah? Pagar, pager,

like that. And, don't even you too, to get in pagerin. And that, if I'm in the important for creativity. Right, right in music, in perfilament, like, in whatever.

Yeah, I can say, not only the other than to be can't be can't, to be can't be can't this, not be this, not be this, yeah, same just bo-o-o-o-o-o-o-calf-calf-cratititus and innovation. And, same too, with technology.

Yeah, right? Silicon Valley, that's also, innovation that's been and that will be true to be able to be that's just because because of the democratization pagar.

Yeah. Yeah. And keep that in mind, if, in my think, don't, don't too timid, don't too talk,

that, I mean, I'm not suggesting that you break every damn rule tomorrow. I'm just just, just, Now, this we're going to go about jazz.

That's, that's been asked, that you also had asked asked, before this about jazz, physics and jazz. Yeah. I always think that the person-an-ant-antar-physica and jazz that's many. where in jazz, if we're

syncopation or improvisation, that we're just really with the the core of the right, or to the right, to the right, but the end-uging, then, back again, convergency is just. Now, physical is also

it's just about that's right-cata, that's all that's magnetic fields, yeah, right? Or magnetism, that can embankok-enect-oct-anergy, energy, and space. This, if we're to believe,

with the theory relativity that's the to-de-pan-on-on-ole-instein. That's, so it's the core in Physica, In the physics, it's like magnet or magnetic fields. And that's, it's from the from the sudut pandang that's there's a kind of

between physical and jazz. From the frequency? Not frequency, but how the quat the power of magnet that can consolidate or mutton muttoning or muttoning from fragmentation

that's that's like that's like that's when we're like to play in court C, we're going to Pinded to F suspended 4, to move to A minor, or E-13 or what, but then, back it's also to progress the chord that's been kept-can. So it's kind of similar jazz with whatever we've done

that we did in Giant Step. Yeah. It's where to do you know that's where, but... Yeah. That's Koltrain, who, who's not know how in the 2000-a-old-to-day-old-a-begut. Which is amazing. You've never made the song Koltrain?

My one and only love, I know. Giant Step, still, maybe, but not. Yeah, yeah. Not, it's not... Not. But if I may ask you a simple question, do you see any other cult train in this era, in this generation? Saxophone, no.

In my own people, people are always like Keny West maybe. Because he thinks like 10 years. He's actually a genius. But, he's a lot of thinking he's a bit more unique or a different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if he's actually brilliant, if I'm

the way he samples music. Yeah. Although not like Bob Dylan, even with three chords, he can make, can make a song that's the same-a-it-it-but. But Bob Dylan is way up there. You can't take that away to me. No. Yeah.

But if, if I think, Kanya, is, I think, uniquely, very, very exceptionally talented. Yeah. Yeah. But there's like cold train, yeah, Pat? No. The pola-pickirn't, in my I don't.

You should read that book. I will. Physics for Jazz or Jazz physics. That's the book right. Yeah. You're just a 205, it's a success, world-upy-to-do-to-musis, in the new DJ,

in music, and then, the new dude in town in movies, yeah, right? Manin Kale. Yeah, and then we'll tell the, and the song also, the song, there. Bingung, me, want to make

make film, or music? Or, two-two-and-in-to-d-d-d-dha-ed. If I see from idol, I see from idolat, like Bing Salmat or Benyamu Kyi, like if Benyamun Shouet, has made up how many, if you're about 50 albums in the world? It's 75, if you know, if you're not so. Very prolific.

Yeah. And I'm going to be like Bileal. Okay. that's making music and film, or acting, that is one that's one that's one that's one that's one that's not even not even not yet,

there's not being music or soniman that's been been, and not be appreciated from any of any because, because there's many,

let's work out the math. If you want pension I want to pension in the 2040, you want to produce 75 albums and 75 films. So, per-tawn, three albums, three films. All right, yeah? Labor Suhurt. Manager's not going to beckhousing.

Yeah, it's not a lot of libur, that. Not many of, ma'am. Make three albums per-town, it's not gampang. Unless you want to retire, of the more 90. Yeah, that's it can be recalibration again, it's the good thing. Yeah, not so much,

yeah. He's just right, be talking to Benyamin, he's a legend, and he's big. Benyamin is here, with Ben Shlammat. But, Jalan, the ways that's been

like he'll, not maybe I can't. No, no. Aim for the stars. If I'm for the stars, can be more so-soucline is sure if you're going to retire at 50 or 60, yeah, if 60, can,

there's 35-5-5 albums, 75 albums, two films, two albums per-town, siap-siapahyap-a-ha-ha-ha-lub or if you're going to pension-num-a-tut-tude-a-math-a-half-a-album per-a that, that's a little bit better. That's not easy.

Now, but Kale is manifestation from your own from your own, actually, is it a lot of far, Okay. Polar-pikir Kale, while we're two have ever been having that's just from the

from the process of the backit is different. And that's making the polo-pickrida and Kaleh are different in capis most of the same. Common denominator of what? Other than the looks. That's exactly the same, actually. Interest in specific genre of music. Okay.

We both love Coltrane. We both love 80s, sorry, 70s rock. We appreciate Indonesian old music, too. The way we treat women, maybe the same. But the way of the way of the think, the paten might be better. Talley is more jago. Yeah.

Challenging, not, when we came and we'll tell you about this. Jutonanjured, Minder, Pat, Jotogh. Why? I never played in a such movie in Indonesia before, right. And, the first time to FIS Cinema, I'm not,

I'm not think if I even even if I'm even Or did not, or not? Or, or not? The last time, the short character of Kalii's And then we're not sure, with the character awaunner. And then I don't expect much from that.

I just think that I got canceled. Then, then the telephone. Who's the phone? Oh, Uidia. Okay. No, not that's not. Nangha, not. Naga, too Jawa, yeah, of the sun.

It's like the sun. And then I couldn't say much, because I'm being binghung too, I was being able to be able to write something like what, that's going to see what I'm going to reading, develop character that, turned out of process that's very interesting. I was by Mr. Aji Bong. He said, if you don't even be able to be

to be like Kale. I'm just about I'm going to take the shoes that I'm going to be boots Jok Martin. Because I see that you're kind of kind of a lot of back, but it's also, and,

and, but can't surupan character it's something that I couldn't describe. It's weird, the feeling. But I kind of enjoyed it. It gives me a unique unique inspiration of making new music. I just couldn't describe what kind of feeling of that.

How did it's how much? How much? Two months. Oh, yeah? Yeah. That's quick. For film, first, right. Yeah.

We're pre-pro, if I'm not so, three-bulan. Yeah. Reading is a month, every day, every day, in the same time. Ines it's like, the process is like, like, wow, I'm become a new person that actually I enjoyed this character so much.

But, what I've heard, you know, the take not too much. Thanks to the director himself. You too. Wow. Yeah, well prepared. Well read. Yeah, right.

Now, that's not too take-necertained that's not even character or make-eshiaping? I don't know. I've never been doing the film. But I only want to tell you. Maybe because from preparation it's already Kale-dulun to

to be the script, it's been made Kale. If I'm like like aripparmono, it's a different when I'm talking to be a woman. And I think everybody could get that. You think? Yeah. I think you're being modest.

Not, not, not quite, you wouldn't be the new star in town. Yeah, right? And okay, okay, if you make three films per year, until 2045, yeah? We'll try anderkahe just, how you're going to be bad guy,

how percent you'd be good guy in film? I would say 80 percent I would be a good guy. Okay. You don't have to say that, you know. But if, if, being, being, being the rebel in you, rebel in you. You're quite quite

not going to swing from the endulum to the end of the pendulum to the end of the last. I want to learn how to get involved in that way of thinking that character has. So I also have, what, what, what, what, what, many imaginations about character that I should avoid that. I should avoid that side in me.

If I get a character like that, I would say yes. Yeah, if Robert De Niro, that he can be good, so, it's really being the good parent, or meet the fuckers. Yeah, and, and, there's also, actor that's been in a cutack,

If you look at film what, like, what he's role what, but people look at the muccahn's just, bad guy. Bad guy. Yeah, right? But if you're looking at Robert De Niro, it's the the film. Now, where do you see yourself?

I would be a good guy, I guess. Okay. I'll be a good guy. I always be a good guy. Okay. So, if you'd be a gistok, I'm not to mind you'd be gangster. Would you take it? Actually, actually that's a bad guy, ma'am.

That's a bad guy, if... No, this I would take it. You would, right? I would take it. I would take it. That's the experimentalism in you. Yeah. I would definitely take it.

Okay, but majority of you will be more than the part of the good guy, from the bad guy, the people to the people's because of the people's mind. Then I couldn't control everybody's mind. Okay, just so you know, what you know, music you,

every day, in the cafe of my sister's my. Thank you so much. Tadding, he had just made the lago of the music of Jamie Cowellam or the songs John Mayer. Now, now not again. Just the song Ardito. From the morning, thank you very much.

It's really good. And I don't know how, yeah, or what, but if I'm, this is am ennecée, not senjap, and pagu, even even though, it's an honor. It's an honor, really. Okay, I want to talk about the

about the performance, not only in the perfilment or in music just. God, you're still young, man. Five, ten years to the how do you see, you know, you know, I guess. For me, I guess. If, if, if,

since, now, the musicians, I mean, in terms of, appreciation to, to have musiiii, it's been

back back, back, in the last 2000s, where we can express what we are feeling currently, then share it to the world. And we got listeners from that. It's one of appreciation that, I think I'm going to say. Ten years I'm going to hope that's more much more than platform that from from the other than can be appreciated in the country, in the country,

musicians, Indonesia, not have to go international, and that's how I can see in it. That's a very interesting statement. Because, we've got to watch many, Stephanie Putry, she's got international.

Yeah. Same with Brian and Nikki, can you, you're not to LA, to go international, right? Just to you're being in Oxford or, sorry, campus in English. And 30% of audience of your audience, is just international, right? That's a statement, man. Thank you.

Cough, do you? Coupas, like. I like to look at Instagram, social media, where I'm going to look at a direct message. 60% of them are musicians. Who's going to learn how to play with my songs? 80% of them are talented, are natural. I've even met with one of a guitarist,

a woman, He was in 19-year from Malian Daputu. Okay. He's a guitar from six-tahun, with Balawan. So, I'm asking, what you like you like currently? He just said, that's he, I'm beingung, because every one I like I can play it.

And, I think I, I said to him. Genre whatever. Genre whatever. The Who Fighters, Jazz. anything. I said to go outside Bali to be known. Even you don't have to go outside Bali to be known in the world. Because you live in it.

You live in the Pulao Deweata, where all of everyone to come here. You just got to have a showcase here in Bali. And you've got to have a good marketing team. You've got to have the knowledge of music business. And that's what you only have to learn about. And I'm with me, because of the digitalization now, all platforms have been able to doable.

It's doable for that. Digital has flattened the world. Yeah, right? I mean, it's already, okay. So, you're in the school of thought, where to live in Magelang, like in Bali or where we can reach out to people in Nebraska, in Liverpool, or in Kinsasha, or in anywhere. Exactly.

Now, how, so there's a hundred Ardito? Wow. I would... Why? I would... I would... to look more of Indonesia who can go international. Yeah, right?

And I always know-lomonged, that we're often with people in Asia, in the negatia, because we can't narrate it because of their, so chagggy, that. But we have

quotient intellectual, quotient, creative, caution, whatever's what's like what's but not to proyxicon, but we got to know our product first. What you can, what you cannot do. For me, I can learn music.

I can play some music just by listening. And that's my strength of my product, that's the strength of my product, I think. I think. And I think I'm not much I have to learn about it. I have product what I have a good songwriting.

Then make a song then. Oh, you were a good song writing. Songwriter, sorry. If your product is good and you will believe in your product, then everybody will love your product. Cuman has to believe and Tell me this. I forgot to ask you earlier. When did you discover that you had it in you? When I bought my first MacBook. No kidding. Yeah. Oh yeah? Yeah, I never recorded my song before. Then my father actually gave me my first laptop and it has this garage band and I played in it.

I said I would be a musician. I would be a songwriter. I would be a songwriter. and producer. And you've got, and you've got, and you're gonna, yeah. Okay. So, before looking

reaction from the public, you had that belief and confidence, that this will be in, but that I was that I was a big boy, I'm a big boy, I'm 130 kilo.

And that's made that makes me I can't even bea-130-kil. I'm sorry, I was 100 kilos. Wow. But you look at 6.

Wow. I've lost a lot. Because I'm not eating nassi, not eating desserts. Yeah. How did you lose? Probably 50 kilos. Yeah. How did it?

Alaraga, not eat nassi, or? I'm not making nassi. Or shooting, we'll tell. So, that, that's a burden, too, caser, curus. What I was like that I didn't eat not eat nicei, then I'm in supplement of the like a suhsou shake.

Wow. So, the day, eating, like, and I did that every day, for a year, maybe, for two years.

When? Before I was at school, I'm 20 years. Oh, okay, it's long. Two, 2012. Okay. And how can maintain?

And that's about complain that's about discipline in you. That speaks of discipline in you. If I'm not talking about, if I've got to have, it's already, I've got to have, how I've got to have, I'm going to make, and I'm going to milk, or supplement. If I'm going to,

it's a bit beggah and I don't like feeling that. So, so until I have to control. Okay. And if, if it's hit in the specific kilograms that I don't like, kind of the badan my own like, so I'm getting depressed, no, no, no, no,

this is endgame. The episode endgame The next one of the band that's one of the band who's already known. Music I'm not appreciates in management that, because I have a word of a different, and make of the English also. So, everyone's in English.

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