Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Ketty Lie: Buka Jalan Menuju Mimpi dan Pengetahuan

Episode Date: February 23, 2022

Co-founder ErudiFi (Danacita) Ketty Lie mengenai minat belajar orang Indonesia dan misi membuka akses ke pendidikan yang inklusif, berkualitas, dan relevan dengan tantangan masa depan. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #KettyLie ------ Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/6282133365263 Info pendaftaran program Master of Public Policy di SGPP Indonesia: admissions.sgpp.ac.id [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504 Tonton episode ini dalam versi video: endgame.id/danacita

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Now back to the show. Hello, people, today we're getting on Katie Lee, co-founder of Erudify, who also is known as Danesita. Katie, thank you, can't be able to do studio. Thank you, sir. This is a one of privilege for me,

for here. Same, same. I'm going to deep dive about mission you're going to be education in Indonesia and shuckers-sucur in Asia Tengara.

But, about about your on the latter in Jakarta, and then you can't school in Karawachi, and then-a-mana, and then,

so, so, maybe, from from the time I'm from, I'm, I'm, kind of, the child,

Jakarta-U-U-Tara-Bank. So that's right now, right? And right now, still still in the area that same. But, it's really from the education, I'm very from the parents, when I was when I was in the school in IPK. Two S. Two S, D.

Okay. Two SED. Lalo, if I'm not the, I'ma, there's a friend who, who, in, who, about school that was in Karawakia. So, while even though, yeah, there was no one of the whole in Krakhar,

so that's the toll in Jakarta, right. But, in my mother's one, the ungulant school that, particularly, it was one of one one that's one that's given curriculum international. So,

even though my parents' if I'm sharing a little, actually they didn't get a SMA, even like, I'ma. Wow. Wow. From what's from? Asal from?

Umatang Shantar. But, the back, the dweasan in Medan. Yeah. Yeah. Ketem in Medan? Okay. Ketan. And if, if I should do a fact-check with my mom.

But if, if they're, they've got to be Nika, then, then, so I'm four brothers, I'm four-saw-odara. So, I'm a third, so I'm a third, So there's three of a boy, the other one of my, who's a classic, we all live in Jakarta, so.

Yeah, yeah. So, from the kids, even, not, not, he's not, not in terms of lullosan, SMA, for them, especially for Ibu, yeah, penitigation, it's very important. So, for she,

when he was, you know, kind of, you know, even if it's a lot, but it's even given given the plume the big of the international curriculum, where, where, like, to say, well, it's hard to get to get education like that. We all, every four-emot-necourtly to do not,

while upon, and in pagu-pagy, time, it, would be-sehalla, like that, there was the one who drove us to the bus station, but, yeah, that's, so I'm going to So back back from Karawachi, Tangerang to Plyt, to be able to school, yeah.

Right. And from there, back again, who boughed a lot of the other, they're, they're, to say, to the world,

yeah, to Australia, because, also, in the time SMA, actually, yeah, so there's a riot

that not-turdugue. So, from, I'm not, I'm just, I'm also there's just too much, stress, in Indonesia. So, two-and-daddakhan, yeah,

it's pretty good-dad-can, so they're getting to Australia. From there, but I think, yeah, yeah, the way that's why they can come to America for S-1. With a way that's-buck-olde by my, I also also that it's possible for the other

for the other than, yeah, and, yeah, I think of the story, I'm at a school of Chicago, University of Chicago, which, if many of not know, it's a nerd school. No, it's a damn good school. Thank you.

But I remember, I applied, because one, actually, from the filter I, that's more than in a lot of the other than in a lot of the because of a small town. And then, I'm interested in economy. And Chicago is known for its, you know, e-cons, right? So I applied.

She took. If you, if I'm going to go, my sister, how many sister, how many of, I'm like that's where the Chicago is where fun goes to die. I'm being like, I don't know that. Why, I didn't know that. Why, why not he gave it's a very precious, in my sense,

that's really one, you're really, because I'm living on, in other country, too, and, betut-beck, in-put-say that, where someone really really, really, for me for me too many of the time of introspection, yeah,

to make up to make up on the the way of our people, to define how to find out of our principle, our, the way, and very, very grateful the community that I've got to the Chicago is open-minded and very critical, so, so many challenges,

right from, from the way, from the way, of the other, and other, and then all of them. Yeah, from there, four-town in Chicago. Yeah, it's kind of. But, but I'm, I'm... Because the wind-neying-manymed-a-dain-dain-manyed,

exactly. But, but I'm just like I guess this is what the U.S. is. Try, Texas. Oh, yes, that's where... Very different, oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, after I went back to the US, I'm like, yeah, oh, p'un. Winter in Chicago is not normal winter.

Right. So yeah, so yeah, long story short, yeah, I mean, there's what, I'm saying, because I was, I'm going to back to Asia-Tegara. So I moved back to, uh, when that, I feel like I always have a love-hate relationship, sometimes with Indo. growing up really because it feels like

like a lot of the problem, you know, so maybe, it's a lot, if it's like, if it's a little bit, even, even, even a escape, but when, maybe, maybe, from, you know, maybe, from, maybe, from there, also, that's been, felt called to back to region in. Tarik-back.

Yeah. Tarik back, but, but, but I'm brady to Indonesia. So I'mampir, in Singapore. I'm put in Singapore, then, if you're in there,

I've got to get to private and also NGO, particularly in my friend, colleagues, too, I'm asking, why, you know, go, you know, and I'm asking me,

and I'm going to use career my, like, to make a impact social that positive, that, especially in economic development, that.

Possible, I'm not from Indonesia. So, right? So, why not to Indonesia? Why in Singapore, so, really, bethue me back again, reflect on myself.

And that's also, where I've seen many times in Jakarta. And I'm looking at that from the scale the government, you know, when, at the time, eras of P.

I mean, I'maugh, I'm looking at, wow, there's a lot there's there's there's there's wronging from the other, I'm about the other, I'm going to go back, and I'm getting a project USAID, where I base is in Jakarta, but project in Papua.

So, that, I'm not very amas, because as a lot of Jakarta, I'm very guilty, yeah. Not, more than travel in Indonesia. So, there's a casepahua. How did Papua? I'ma. I'ma. I'mawejaya, in Mimica.

Yeah, three places. Because the project is in the three times. So, I'm usually, two mingue, in and then, and then, and then, and then, there's back again, and then, there's there. Okay, so. So, how much? At least, one and a half a two years, maybe. Wow.

Wow. Wow, yeah. And, it's open, really, with how much of Indonesia that, you know, yeah, can travel from Jakarta to Jaipura to Jayaipura, it's far, from Jakarta to Melbourne, if I was amazed. I was like, wow, Indonesia, beth, beth,

and there wasn't direct flight. Right. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. So, it's just, it's... So, it's... ...and I actually saw the transition, and the hardgain't even not murra, right.

So... that I've got one, domestic tourism we can't evener evening again, even if I was in front Raja VIII, that's... Oh, that's really, that's really.

It's really. So, it's a new-buck-upac-shae, and I'm not sure, I'm having a lot... Patriotism, probably. ...leave more, like, with Indonesia, and look, that's got,

that's a lot of the people's about what people say, with problems comes potential, right? Come opportunities if you're from from the other. So, there, it's more to be that I'm, wow, I as a person inesha, with the opportunity that's been given, can be out of the country, be there's been a lot of the sector, what I'm just to, what I'm just to,

to the country because of the What's the way to do you? What's what you did? What I was doing? When I was going to back, so when I was doing in NGO in Indonesia, I was doing a fundraising

for a microfinance organization in regional. I think back again to back again, more to the acer economic development I, so, so with project USAID, I was monitoring and evaluation.

With project that's to make sure, let me make it right there, it's basically local governance, with Puskesmas local. Okay. So, how we want to even really, ...

Puskesmas in local areas, but with the way to build capacity management, their, not, not, not...

...noting up, but just to ... ...buttell. Because of the way we're, about how we're historically speaking, want to make a community, the community, the way,

we're going to, that's built a school, let's build a hospital. But, we can have building yeah, the gendonging can be there, but if system that

there, the other, but the buntutte's also So I'm like, I'm really really interesting, but it's really hard, but it's hard, but it's interesting, so I'm really grateful, yeah, I can't meet with community local,

with team I also that's diverse, there are people in Jakarta, there are from, um, abond, yeah, and there, and And I'm like, from people's about them down to-hmm people. Just like, and then-lawed-you-a-huh.

Then, school again, after that? Yes, because... I don't know if you might have caught this, but I'm sort of a nerd, I feel like. I'm like going to school, and back again, I mean, I think I, I'm not going to learn, see.

I think of my I think of the way, selfish, because you get to really think and take stock of your life, what is what is it that want to be able to, what is it to becapay in this? So, after I've worked for five, six-year-old, I'm

I'm about a bit jaded, because of the sectors that I've seen, like, NGO, somepot, there's private, or USID, that we need to, really, not resource as in financial resources, but from the people, having the right leaders, having the right people to execute. Now, how do I do that?

How's what's the kind of what? Because I'm like, wow, people say, yeah. And I didn't believe it when people told me when I was younger that's, more jaded. You don't know what I'm going. I'm sure. No, no, no, you're an inspiration, but so you helped me keep going, ma. But I felt like my idealist self at that time got questioned.

Because I, I looked at the lapangang, And if human is human, if you know, if you're all the same, there's incentive or motivation that's so, what is the sustainable and needle moving change, that's really,

that's really, because I'm going to bring because of my background my background, what's really, what can help us to get to the potency people always say,

Indonesia has a lot of potential. My question is, when we fulfill that potential? not makes sense, we're not even after generation, we're having a lot of potential, but not to realisation. So I decided to go back to school.

Awalna, I really, I'd like in public policy just, because I'm seeing that one, that's the most past, yeah, with the work of my, before but did don't even by my

my brother-policy and business and even sure, I actually have applied to S2 public policy only, in the time I took, there's people who, who are entrepreneurs. Yeah, right?

Indo, can't be much. Yeah. So, I'm thinking, because I'm going to do it. I do it. And also, in the time, I feel like the private sector is playing a bigger part of them.

like it's a venture philanthropy, right now, right now, life's being, so I'm really thinking, actually, maybe resistance I had to have private sector beforemere, in some ways,

because there's, there's many cubula of capitalism, yeah, and I don't know we have time for that, but, yeah, can, long story short, kind of,

love-hate relationship too, with private sector and business, but I see that if you do business well, That's one of one of the way to really, yeah, you know, you know, to make wuptuble

sustainable and long-lasting. So I'm too long-lasting. So I'm just not, yes, do not? Yeah, yeah, I'm just... I just... I just... Yeah, I just...

might as well. If I don't apply, I never know. If I don't apply, yeah-ud. Yeah, I just need... Yeah, yeah, yeah, but no regrets. So, so much mepet too meppes. I'm in May, I'm actually, from my application's the first,

for public policy. But I basically decided to undo, do you know. Because, one, there was an impact-investing job that I was interested in. The other galaw, like, can I defer it? So I defer it for a year.

And in the time, the time, in the last year because of the last year's application, I'm back the last year. And out of nowhere, yeah, it's got to remember, I was very surprised. From, it's funny, when I gave you know my parents, my mom, my mom, just asked, you know, you're sure, that's, you know,

name of spelling. I'm pretty sure I'm now, but I'll double check. Asian parents keep you humble. Yeah, singa-trita. Toulouse. Lulus. Thank goodness. Two years.

Three-torn. Double degree. Yeah. So I graduated in 2019. Good. Kennedy School and Harvard Business School. Yeah. So came back right before COVID.

Wow. Yeah. And then. Long story. Yeah. EurDi. Why did you do you dofai? Yeah.

Actually, interestingly, from the area of Dura Dufai or Dane Cita, we know that in Indonesia, it's actually, it's been around about 1, 2, 2, in the a while, it did did by my co-cahawainer, and Naga, one of my co-owner, now, because I was when I was 2, so I know of it, but because I wasn't involved. But always interested, because of data cita, basically,

visi mission we're in the pediccine. And, like I said that I said that, one of the other than how we can invests to people, and if, if we're taking more, it's the penidicent. Pendidicant is investation to manucia, to people. So what kind of investment? And who gets those investments? So, so, there's the other thana-cita this.

But I'm distracted with everything that was happening in grad school. But when I came back in 2019, I really, I also think, to try, to, to build something. Not to be doing with my kaka, with Naga, that because I'm very close to my family. I also very afraid of, you know, Yeah, yeah, like, if I'm like, but...

But, but a lot of the time, obviously I have to try it before I admit it to myself. But, actually, two things I've got to try, right? One, founder, yeah, can team, people who are people who are not just a-pimikyran, but the heart, motivashy-notivation, it's all the same, yeah. that's quite's quite. I've met amazing, smart people. But we're just thinking of it differently. Batyrne is not hard.

But it's not a black or white thing. Right. It's one. And, also, from what, if it's, if it's, if, yeah. What? What? It's back again, yeah, can.

Banyl, and I'm grateful It's like in Indonesia, yeah, yeah, but, angle is there can't be a bit more than sometimes, sometimes, as a long-term mission, right? Am I, is this a thing that resonates? Why, in the bidang pendantaan for pediccan, not in the

pediccans. Yeah, so, from we, basically, education financing, right? This ispethrole too, you know, with Naga and my sister at that time. So, for us, it is, from the penidiccan this,

many, the problem is, yeah, right? Yeah. And, the problem is the starting point we are. Inting-point, the intu-ut-ut-ulur. You can create the best kind of program.

Yeah, can. But if, if, if, that's not as well as well as well asinful. Just we can't, you know, so we're looking full. Yeah. So, we're looking at access. Pendanaan is, to come up access.

To what's the other, so, yeah, back, back, again, we're, we're, we're, we're going to be in the we're doing

access, and we're doing with campuses, campus campus that there. So we're just from data, we focus on for the long learning, because we're gap that's there, that's big.

In K-12, I think, from the enrollment, almost 100%, yeah, can. It's quite high, in that sense, right? A lot of work still, from K-12, but if we look at from the of the penderataran, who's the should be, dooddook the other than 30% and it's been consistent And that's 70%

because of the amount of the amount. Yes, yeah. Bucan, not the wronging Kewan. Bucan. I think, it's not really, it's still improved.

But if we just met FGD with, you know, I'm not know Jensi or millennial or, I cannot keep track. Basically, for them, it's, you know, economy. Yeah, can. One, if, if it's not,

many people who have more than one if you know, if you're not, if I'm trying to find out, so, yeah. So, yeah, can, so, yeah, can, so, you can, sometimes, if, if,

if there's, but, it's just a lot of jurusan, or, to get a baratia, so-a-na-e-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-. So, we can't we can't

we can't make sense even though we can't learn as high as you want and make up to give you want and make sure also the data cita and make Gapy Kalli Mimpi Kalli

soing can't the juruson that you can't and you don't have SEL yourself short not just to settle to the jurorsal because of the way of the case of the way of the way of the way that's the way that's because, for them, for them, you know, one, is it not I'm not I'm going to be able to be it.

But we're just talking, sometimes noty just noty just not yet. Or, yeah, yeah, I'll just look at what I'll just look at what I can afford, There's not, is that's not? There's a focus to subject what has to be able, that's more attention to the penitainan? If from us, from, from, again, focus is to the curleahan, yeah, can?

So, from model we, we're working with, so, for now, we funding it's to to the campus we select the campus, we tendon, it's, you know, can, and from, if, if, if, if, from, from the program, we don't we're focused a couple, that's not, but... But it's not a lot of people

or technique industry, do-doin-doin-doin, not there, not discrimination, or no other priorities? No, there. One, on the other than other, can? No, no, no, is. that we see-that-that-foring, so that's the same, so on the formal, we're saying.

We're also, we'll learn-traged, who, who are upskilled, in non-formal. Now, this, in here, we're more... Maybe not discriminated, but more selective. So, what we're teckonka-skill skills technology, digital, There's skills of the globalized, like skills that's the globalized world we're like. Okay, that's economics is how much.

Tentonyms, if we're giving bans, that with the problem that modality this is going to back. And, that's also, has to have to have to have a compampuant. That, that's, that's been able to be sustainable,

yeah. Yeah. We still have a lot to work on, obviously, continue growing. But, for we also, we're also with campus, that's one of risk mitigation, yeah. Yeah, and we're on the land

also to come to campus, so from the plazer, we want to be education-focused, right? So, from the data, also for the other than for our and for us back again, from us, you know, from the same NPL, if,

if, mis-saint-a-mit-fitting, from, like, as if, amit, like, there, gag-bayer, but we're minimums, because we're we filter at all to,

for the players that serious, commit, in campuses that's that's been and from the same-itia-it-it-as-measters, we're just, you know, right? So it helps us buffer. And I think for us, because of technology as well,

from the... You don't need a physical building, like a bank, for instance, yeah, right? If, if, from Fintech, I think that's what we can leverage on. And ourpon we're back, we're back again, you know, you have to have to make sure for motor,

in banding nangsur, for pedigants. What's more than we're prioritized is, is? For now. No. No. Yeah.

That's kind of mindset, and buda. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, can, how, budaaa our, or,

that, it's, more to depenant on the other that's about consumptive. If this, right, that's, if I think,

I'm in fact, structural. So, that's, we've been, we've been, we've been also built financial awareness.

Why, we're in a while, we, from the, from the application, we contact the plazards, we contact the family

if they're like that's more buddha, because we're because we're making sure that they're to be sure they're saying to make sure again you are aware because we're also, you know, right, a lot of financing from the money from the money to fund, this is main management So we're going to make from the money-awareness from the money-awareness

from the first. So, by you're not, I'm a big believer, you're not too young actually about to learn, right, how to manage your finances. If anything, for me, I wish I had to learn about this when I was younger. So, so, yeah, For us, that's the financial awareness.

And, like that's what I said, I'm like, yeah, I'm basically, your current need is, you know, I'm paying for a life, yeah, can, the car, that's short-term, it's like let's. But what we want to come back on, actually, so it's the mainagement,

the money is important, how we can be thinking beaker, because you said, like you said, it's investment and investations janghapang. But, investsati to the same, which is, I feel like, how we're not investation

in the same, right, soarus. Mugkin not, if we're looking, this, the payah the money, America,

the, this, can, it's been very inflation, and, it's not caroan, in 30, 40 years, the last year.

If I've beeninged d'uay of school my 80s than now, like, not yet, like, not to be able to, with, this, how to I can back, return on investment, yeah?

And it's, maybe, maybe, It's not worth it. To make uprogram because it's too much, the ARR not even though it's not be considered as a thesis investation again.

Yeah, right? Even, even, it's been as a product that's very elitist that can't be dignmati by

people whoas. But I'm sure in Indonesia, because of the because of the relative more than than what we're looking at the country in the United States. But it's important, if I'm in order to how to position that this

is a something that is a sort of, not consumptive. Right, right? Yeah, right? Now, I want to ask you, if you, If you, if you're as a fundana, what's the bidet that has to be plajari by them,

to build Indonesia to the future, with a great question. So if it's a great question, that's a great question, so I feel like this is a answer that's work and progress, but what I'm looking at the other, back back, we're actually, we're being partner

for the Permancahangerang. Yeah, right? Yeah. Why, we're going to get a puttussan in the Pendanaan, because, if, if, if, you know, to be a pure business, yeah, Pendanaan,

in all the other than more more than more, basically, because, if we're in, business, that's, or people in business, it's more, because of credit, it's really of credit,

for the person'sha. In the penidication, this is quite bad. But why we're making worthwhile? Because, back, again, access. If, if, now, there's many who's more that

more than, because, I'm not, it's very much, I'm sorry. Because this is men, because it's not up the future their. So, how we're both of them can't be recanakan. Our plan we have we have, we can, we can,

in the data data, or erudify, we can't, you know, even with, you know, can, merchanical their, and penidication, I define it quite broadly, yeah,

not only only as much, I'm notar. Inouard, this knowledge, yeah, right? Investation to me, yeah, can, so far knowledge,

so much, we're grateful there's a partner that make sure that make sure we basically, in some ways, we cover white, so now if there's

that's even more the S-1, even the needat you, and minate that's for campus yeah, and pergurant-ty-an-any-old- -up-ta-town,

great, let's make that happen to you, with access more much. So, the choice, people are more For you know, for you know, for

you know, basically, learning something, I know I'm a coder, I know I want to be a coder. But I'm not able, yeah, can, four-tawn. Now, now I'm really grateful, there's, yeah, who's giving them

the platihan to how we're giving you give you, back, again. So the way I see it is, role our role our, Because if we're about access and quality of the education, this is just to be able to work.

Not by one one one, that's not. Now, role of the Danacita to open access, be with the work with the training of the education that's that's already, so we in some ways, open the mind,

so we, so we're not, so, there's, you can't providean, from the client provider, we can't, we can't, or more than the door, so that from the more than the more than the marketer, regardless of my economy, I can study become a coder,

I can become a digital marketer. I can be a language English, with professional, and compete then. At the end of the day, But why we're too, because we're too, because we're looking at the education that's really bethap to employment gap. So, we can't education to employment gap, yeah. What's that's in-placarine, or

what's now there, maybe it's not outdated, or, you know, with the need of the work. So, how we can't that's notherom, you know, there's many, many things that need to be done. So for us, we want to start with with the end upending the access, not even not to end up the opportunity

to how we can be partner again, see, the haraping that. This is a bit of an erroneous. If we're not, that that's notheran from the government, that's quite,

20% of the APBN, that's just over 400 trillion rupees. But the reality in the lapangang of or is, still, many,

that ...below... ...belowellum... ...are able to be able to be able to be able to be able to beck... ...that... ...you're filling that gap. Yeah, right? ...what, you're through...

...philosophy, you, is... ...that, for, for, for, ...and for even to be able to even... ...itemput ball, can, okay, we're talking, okay, we're just... who has to do it for two, three but he got a certificate, can get to one of one startup or whatever, or maybe you've got to be able to be, this is important, for the people who are also,

to learn also, to belajure, or learn sastra, to beaumput to make up quality of life. Is it? Or is it, or not? We're still injumped ball. I would say we're not,

but it's our big mission. Yeah. Yeah. Why we don't, because we we have one, PR's for to get up for the ball, it's also,

back again to back again, we're talking, um, to learn, I'm sad to say, yeah, in some ways, it's still low in Indo.

If we're banding, so we're in Indonesia, we're in Philippines. So, so I've beening in two markets in here. In Philippines, we're, marketer,

is the more of the more of the way of the population. But, you don't need to tell them twice that, that's not going to tell them twice, that's going to be it important. So, it's quite from there. We're- They're going to gollas, yeah? No. Because, because, they're looking like,

because they're looking like, if they're, if the economy of Philippines, we're doing from, you know, Yes, yes, for the other-nagre for some ways. There could be arguments, right? But basically, right, you have to. So no questions ask.

Now it's just a matter of, okay, campus, and this is our plan our, and this is our plan our in Indonesia, we're still one-onexed why, PR's still many. Because in the Kota, so we're many here in Jakarta, so we're many here in Jakarta now, If we get campus, if we get back,

if we're going to get back, um, that's what, yeah, can, be able to be able to it's just, mean,

because, back again, I can't even because of a day-hary-hary-urgeon. That's the case back to my earlier point. Yeah.

If we look Filipina, it's remittances that back to Filipinan's every year from the people from the world, from the 40s million dollars. The people are from the world,

is just a fraction of that, from 10 to 15 million dollars. But although the number of the workers, more than from Indonesia. That it can't make sureminked that, that the people from the people, it's been at a level that more atas, more than more than the more than the more than

more than the more than the way to be able to be able to be able to by the people from Indonesia. And that's that, that's it, from the control of call center and and allan that for the other

multinational by the people's Filipino. That's another $30 to $40 million. This is devisa. The math should be that if we can get in $40 million, worth it, don't,

for investations, for for peddickan, so I can work as a work as a great in Singapore, I can work as IT manager in Dubai. You can't work as anything like in Pittsburgh.

Now, it's able to be bentuc, though, narrations like, how we can work together with institutions in Indonesia or, for the penitlinginginging of vocation or for the importance of degree that more sophisticated to bemenuji

the justa that's that very important in, not only in the country, but in the world. But, right, sir. Right. So, but why, I'm just about, why I'm not going to be it.

But it's a play of data. And information as well, right? Right. We think we can't know, you know, one, the power of the work is like what? So I think, technology and the bahasa, actually, that's one of two things, that's, that's, that's,

that's from Indonesia. Because, if I'm going to look at from the Philippines, they're in the in the right? Bhasa. Baja. Immediately, right? The Philippines, India, exactly.

So if I'm from Indonesia, I'm really we're too, that's not the question. But how we can compete if we can't make make communication. Because the reality in the labangue, unfortunately, Indonesia is not a global language, right? So if not evening with language, our current one is English,

it's stuck. And that's that's our big-haraparaping. So, I'm just our big vision, yeah, the haraparaparana. Why, when, you know, my leadership team and I, we always, again, entrepreneurship, Rollcoaster, right, right? You're up, you're happy, you're down,

you're like, why am I doing this again? We always go back, see. Yeah, exactly. Why are we doing this? Because we want to see not just opening access, which is super important, but how we can even more even more than even more. even if we've got to be able to be able to be able to be able to be

per run, and how we must investations now. Now, this is kind of around, because investations we must be now. Returns for now what I see, if I can be truly honest here, Indonesia, Indonesians tend to be short-term. We're not too much more than we're human beings. True, especially I think you know with the technology that we have now,

it's instant gratification. So how do you flip that, right? How do you say, okay, I need to invest in the long term. Now you might not see it. Maybe it's just the cost of the cost. Yeah, right. Yeah, can, yeah, obviously, very real. Wacht, energy.

But, but, I'm not sure, that, that, that, that, that is going to hangat us, yeah, right? So, but it's a demand for pendanaan like this. Mm-hmm. This is very much. So, while they can beakinked that this is to bearer.

with with what can be right at the end of the end up. And the embatton that you've been given, this is a subatementara for the jangka-penned and menh. For he can't see jembatan more than longer. Intinia, right. Yeah, if, I think,

just how can be it's just to be it's not, you, you, you, you, you're you're like to beaumannan this. And at the end of the wing of the there's people who to make updaiacan you with whatever prahue you've got. Yeah, right?

Or, a bagu you're using, you're using, the top of, and, and, all of it. That, that, because, yeah, back to the upchapan of your, 70% this gap is. 30% higher education, but 70%

but it's not deserve. Now, this, if they're looking, wow, there's a song that's more big, I can work in Dubai, I can work in Pittsburgh, I can work in Singapore, I can work in Singapore, I can do not only things that that's even if they're people,

but even more than what they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hello, Teman, thank you,

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description. Now back to the show. Yeah. So, we're going to beaughan kita, yeah, right? In our Rodefi, we're people for local universities. But not end up the possibility of something I want to explore,

how we can't help to get access to school in the world, for, for, for, for, for example. why. because of the other than I want to the other than I think of the other I'm going to the other than again, back to access, can access to the best

pediggen that you can't not even beauched because the reality because of the law in the world it's really, and I also and

S2 I also thank you really from the Ankura Foundation that's been to beaiaing otherwise three years that's too but

but we can't but we can't even if it's not let's say just the 1% because of the 1% because of the because of the law country is that it's not

it's up quite thinker and from and from community I'm sure very much can't meet

people from people from people from from the world I think that's really a bitalaman that's very

Because you can't just searching online. You can meet with complexities that's with the way of the way of the way of the way that's kind of, I'm paying for the thing I'm, and I think what is our benefit, yeah? From Indonesia, there's many who's

out of the country, many of the work out of the country, but, actually, in fact, I think, because, back back, right? Now, how much two things, people are more than they're more, that's more, not only segment

certain, how we can welcome yeah, which is back, and make make sure that, actually, the, is, or, at, or, at, maybe,

there's a casepotan, to build a plan work on the work So, so much I've got to be able to about them to talk about, you know, discussion.

That's not repalibal of PDP, has to come up, yeah? I'm not creating a bigjacking, I was just like, okay, just, you know, thought process,

kind. There who's, there who's yeah, there who's not, with allasant that makes sense. Which, which, that's often, that's not,

is due to have that's due to have a bioparticic so I feel like I'm going to butcher it, but you know, some biotech that's kind of kind of and like, but you're going to come to here, like, yeah, the land of the other, you know, right? So, it's hard to say as well. And I don't think we necessarily have to create, but we're really to create,

but we're bringing room, you, you, you come, you come, and you're, and, you're not, and create this. This is the other than you can't get can't even if you're not because you're not going to be as competitive as the citizens there, right? That's just a matter of fact,

and we need this. And I'm sure we can, you know, the resources that we have from. It's just a matter of how to allocate it. So, I'm kind of like, the potential is better. So, so far as a

structural, the kind of how we're to formulations in, or polo-pickir, but how we can

can make upar what that what is in the head to, we can be imagination We can't evening as I've been democratization

idea. Now, if we're in front of the samegarten as well as we're to be agnostic to the people who are going to work in Kuala Lumpur or in Kuala Lumpur or in Kiev. And if we're in each of each, that's the same of the to the people,

to the importance, he's been through, and democritisasiccicant and learn. So, so, I'm sorry, I'm a bit, I'm a, ag, ag, I'm going back, to

see, to the sechara. If we look, period or era Enlightenment, yeah, about 1718, it's not true that before they've made-depant

science, garish-miling rationality, yeah. Garis-mer-technology. That, they're kental, and they're kind of making,

people thinker, people-pickeran that's very philosophical. Yeah, right? And philosophizing that, if I'm going to be the way that's about the democracy-itization, idea, in the people-or-in-a-oh-a-locutistakness.

But, now, in a couple of years'er last year, the decendrungation is for we're too quick to structure-can, yeah, right? Polar-picker. too too much

too deepened science before philosophy now, this, not know yeah, intuition I'm, I'm not sure, I'm not sure philosophy,

that's important to make make sure that there wisdom in power in power science. Yeah, right,

we're quick about gomobrol about about Right. Yeah. Now, this is structural for the

important for the end of our for the end of the education if we're not, if we're going to be fil-suff, then they're like to give gadget just tak-tok, tak-tok with two-jampol. Mijack, not,

the kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. How that? To put in the concept to what you're doing I'm not doing it's a good question. I'm a big believer.

Quick question, but, would you define philosophy as the way to think, or the way to see the world? Absolutely. I'm not enlightened. Era enlightenment. It's manifestation from combination wisdom and knowledge and ideas and information that's

slarass. Now we, to sodorin something that's paradoxical, where information, idea, the idea, and the de, I'm justy like this is same, don't. Now, this,

because maybe philosophizing, the perfilufsuffing, this is, this is true, you know, the Moodablan, you know,

this, can be more be thinking to make-depant topic-topic or subject philosophy

or philosoph. because it's important to bring upbuckedxanaan in the powering technology because if I'm talking to anyone, I'll ask you to ask you to AI, the end of the minuses?

What's the minuses? You got the Elon Musk School of Thought you got the Zuckerberg's School of Thought But this is the discursus, can? Yes. One, the one dystopian, and one, utopian. Now, this, if I'm not really,

it's about it, if we're doing robotization, we're making upherdial —-upil-al-ladyangue that if it's diggabung-can with the cedassan biologous, it's a bit grue, the consequencein if not it's

if not be pagrein, or if not be cowal with wisdom. Exactly. Exactly. And, wisdom is that's not from textbook, not can't. Not be able to bea theory, okay, now I'm wise. But, I'm, right? Two, dialogue, you know, antar-orang, who's not only-sided, yeah.

So I think for us, while upon, But we haven't touched that, right? basically, this is a big problem. I'm a big believer that. The key thing, at least, is how we can't make sure we can't make sure. Compact.

Exactly. Yeah, kind of the joyomikirna. Or a complip, maybe. Yeah, the critical thinking is, what? Yeah. So you might not know the what or the how now. Right, right. If I'm going to see a lot,

school, I'm going to make, I'm going to make sure that he can't be hitung 1-tambah 1,000, same with what. 3x17s, 7,000 same with what? But I think he, he's been learning philosophy too. Yeah. Because I don't know how I'm going to think that's complete in process

he's a dewasa, he's being a bigian of the people whoas for the country and the country. Ooh, aga-gat-a-gat-a-tapotan. But, yeah, I mean, yeah, if you can't get that. That's the gap the bestor-besar, can be there. If you can, if you've you've seen, um,

have you seen, um, um, back up-upus, that's, well, both in Indonesia, maupon, be out,

yeah, can, or how much? I think, school that's, school that's, school, and,

that's like, but, but just, the scalan-in-a-ne-stap-a-thum-jum-y-y-chus. Yeah, to the jukegon-jum-jonging, this is in the context of the same, with the country and the other,

which, which are lomba-lomba-lomba to get-panked. But, maybe, the opportunity for we can't get-up, it's far more than than we think. Because,

the, the, people-ne-nagra, only, mem-a-n-lomikers, not-plosophy. Now, if we Now, if we're acu to pemikir in the time

do you, it's they're meramoo and gambunging philosophy and science Ahrie matematica also, a he's phoicica,

a he'll philosophy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Socrates, Pythagoras,

then Aristotle, I'll encourage me, Benjamin Franklin, so. Now, that's the trend, that we can't look at all, that's important, that's important, I think one way of doing it. So, so if, from, yeah, the most of the Enlightenment, yeah,

education is holistic, like, right? not just practical. Now, like you said, like you said, we're going to be able to practical, like, is, is, do you can't be taken. Now, the perennaping now,

then it has a less value, but, but the kind of thinking skills, it's fundamental. Right. Now, the way I'm, is how can't know if this, hopefully, if I can play a role in it, would love to,

build, you know, curriculum, school, or some sort of organization, or just community, where you basically bake it, so. So, we're back it. So, now, so now we're going to package the way of think this. Yeah, right? But it's the corey, just packaging can sector business, or sector, yeah, can, healthcare, or sector what?

At the end up, we can, how do you see the world? It's critical thinking, problem solving, core skills, that's, that's intangible, so. So, the question is, how we can't make things that tangible,

so, the lapisance, the application is what? Yeah, right? That's my way of my So hopefully, back again, why, we're back to, I think,

sector penedican, it's very kind of, lapisans, that's still, I think I, patot, to improve and need innovation.

I'm a big believer if status quo that's, we're not can't. We can't support. Oh, even, there

observation, that's curriculum that's the school, school of the world, it's maybe not relevant for the for the importance of the abate the 21. Exactly.

And this is probably, maybe, maybe, the curriculum, but it's not a problem, but it's not. And, if in Indonesia, I'm looking,

we'll look, we'll look, sectors that's has been disruptors, transportations, retail, and financial services. But we've only scratched the surface, which isa-kewangan, is about 40% of economy we're.

Economy modern, is the ratio jasa to bea-o-oangan to bea-teconomy-to-de-at-a-a-oh-a-oh-a-a-oh. So, it's still a 60% upside. 60% of it's $700 million per year. So I'm not herring if many start-ups, start-up, start-up, to move to move to Vintech.

But don't remember there sectors' like that don't disrupts. Partanian, peternakan, pedigism, pari-wisata, and kesehatan, energy, real estate. Now, this, how we're going to be able to... the um,

this, this is the sector, this is like this, this is new, we can't get riddened just, yeah, uh,

school, you, to be, you, you, you, you, gotta,

you, can, so, so, so, we're, because, we're playing

two sectors too, tech and education, yeah, right, and, and we,

and we're We have our our own our our hope, actually, we're we're being in front as a partner for student, the perenchanan their in a long, right,

from, from the money, actually, the money, specifically, but, also, with the company, where, okay, now, now, you're,

as well, from COVID, you know status quo, it's, now, now, benefit, yeah, blessing in discussion that's seeing, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's

that's not perlough, yeah, because it's not peru, not peruivation, right? So, how we can leverage that to endowong again, that, that's, that's, right? That's, right, that's, right? We're, like, with student that in the labangan, yeah, can. And, even not only the kids who want to make s-1, but with the para who've done Well, this, this is that this is a good this is kind, this is a big of indication, so

our hope is that we built the information so that we can get by-in from the company, and also, we need to put data that's supporting. So, at the end, it's not what I say, it's, you can see from the fact, that, that, because

that's, that's, because many people, penaned in here. Or, even, we can't, there per-binding. So, can, you know, can, I'm like, the way that's the way that's like that's

that's why. That's why. The other, I don't think in the near future, 5, 10 years, we'll see. Perguruan thing, at least in the formal, traditional way, will be held.

Yeah, can. I guess not can healer upon the brunuchess, soing that's not-negris. But for the more traditional, is, is how we're innovation, and innovation is, I guess, change comes step by step,

but I think we need a special in education, so something that's the other thing that's over-krakan. Because we've already too long, yeah. So, gap that's that I'm seeing that in the lapanguech, it's just being the gap, they're just filling up the gap themselves, right? themselves, short courses, informal courses, on the job training, etc.

What I see now at least, you know, at least, you know, from, from, you know, from the, you know, can't, you know, it's refreshing to look at, yeah, can, such as a social like Nadim,

that's quite bad, that's, but, TEN-PRA many, yeah. But, what I sawed, that there's initiatives, where, it's like, campus Merdeka, like that's not, give incentive

and give up, you know, because curriculum it's relevant, like, probably, yeah, can? If not relevant, it's, you're just for what, also, the investations, right?

From, why, from, from, again, we're still a bit, you know, program agnostic, but definitely in the future, right, as we gather more data, we want to work with partner our,

so, yeah, campus A, campus B, let's see, yeah, data that's just, right now, right? This is a curriculum that's beenaimani or what's to be given to get, or how to the kind of, I think, I'm hoping with COVID,

and as we embark into a new normal, I'm not there's not there's a new, how we're, how we don't waste this crisis, what people say, innovation, innovation, and other we have to have beenahing, we're even more,

not, don't, don't regress, don't, oh, yeah, all, it's all right, back to normal, just, that's what I'm very much dis-sahanked. Because education,

it should be what I would like to see, yeah. Again, I think what's interesting in the Philippines, the education sector that's up to be able to be able to bea, to beaacres in the sector,

especially in Indonesia, in my opinion, I think, not everyone, but many, that's not so, many, that's asked, that, must be able to, but, but when I was, I asked, because I was, I'm going to be a guru, oh, yeah, because it's affordable, that, That's that's that I'm that's that's that's

I'm biayayy Yeah, right Don't be able to be a good, not see Now, wow It's like, one, I'm sorry, yeah If that's not our passion,

then please pursue your passion But the second, again, not for everyone, I've seen incredibly dedicated teachers, but, but,

but, so I'm sure, the person, really, actually, it's really, so it's just, so much, yeah. I know it's also close to your heart,

but I've been very, so... I've been talking about about about it, I'm afraid that's going to be a different. But how can we uplift, right? The roles of teachers, the roles of education. I've been trying to have been many from, what, yeah, I mean, how we can't

we can't be a person who's going to be a good. Because multiplicityas'n't if we can't give a guru for he can be a guru that's great, it's a dampak to not 10th and rathus and, but a thousand, yes. Yeah, can, siswas, sis'i to be different.

That's not. How we can't work with and the people of the people, you've got to be a good, god-dain. And we're working with who who can't be able to be able to.

That, if I'm in terms of it, rather we're trying people that, not, not discounted in a lot, but it's more than we're doing people who are more to be a entrepreneur like that's like what, like, or

like, or what we're gonna do. But if we're gonna danaing the other than that who's really, ooh, yeah, can, that's in the pipeline, Paul. I know we've had been per-bass, and it's pengine, so, so... You're gonna change the nation.

Yeah. In a small way, but really, but impactful. Yeah. Yeah. If artificial intelligence, do you, do you do, do you do in your day to day?

We, in our, again, it's data, artificial intelligence basically pays with data, right? So, sometimes it's chicken or egg. Okay. So right now I would say we're not necessarily using very high-tech AI, but it's because we're gathering the data. But we are building in-house technology.

So we're building in-house technology, we're making sure we, because, back, again, we're back, this segmenting new. Yeah, right, the peopleanahsysa, in the year-asia, at least, in Asia, denguehara, minus Singapore, yeah. So, segmentation

and this is, the way of the policy thinker is also new, right, we're going to make sure, we can't make up on the policy that's just, so, so that's,

if we've got data, then, then we can be able to make sure we can so much, so, right. So, it's a step-by-step, So it's definitely, yeah,

why we've got from the first technology, so that is the scalability with technology, we can't make make data than more dynamic and, two, we can't make sure we can't make sure how much how we can't make the kids of Indonesia, you know,

in the other in the other people, in the other java'u'u' and what I'm grateful, yeah, we're looking at the campus'cumns of our campus in this, with online learning, it's clear that accesses'n't more than. Which, it's, it's, it's beenerer, it's high. Yeah, right?

But how we can't we can't make up access that same, so. like they're in the uproa and the world in the and beyond that's if you're in the if we're like to make sure that we're in in in the region. I hope no one kind of a sunset era in some of Asia.

You see the rise of Asia, eastern Asia. My question is, when, Southeast, Asia? Because we're good, really. Yeah, can. It's really, because we're not monoliths, we're very diverse. In Indonesia just enough diverse, just enough, and all over the other guys,

but I think I, if we can find out a way, we can work with a way, we can't with the region that's strategist this, where we're just the jambatine of Australia, and Eastern Asia, right? And the big, you know, Asia continent, but, you know, eventually Europe and beyond. We're strategic.

Right? So, the hopean why we, yeah, can't, you know, actually, But when I'm like, when you're like, you know, you know, like, you know,

focus on one, but entrepreneurs are crazy, right, in some ways. But yeah, I think, obviously, you know, my heart is to see Indonesia succeed. I think that's very key. Even, to go on regional, not we can, like, we can, like,

we can, like, but how, that we can't sectoral, cross-regional, so that the other than in Indonesia and beyond, one, I'm not just, I'm not from the country to tanga, even, even, even, yeah. But if, if you want, it's not about. But from Indonesia's, we're not just in the receiving end.

So that we're not just in the receiving end. I believe so much that we're there potential to give. But how do we do that? How do we unlock that? That's the hope of the big-term. It is long-term. Not be over-night. I must.

I'm just to be able to be able to be able to be that, that's been being attacked in Indonesia. It's very encouraging. because they're like they're like they're going to be a lot of it, this, this, after-ahar-a-air-in, this is the ring-a-verses.

There panangangam? I'm not an expert in it, so disclaimer, in the a while, before I was... In drama. So, so much that I've learned in, But I'm notaric, because back again, we're...

We're in situation where technology is here to stay. We've got to look, maybe several years ago, from Bitcoin, crypto, I think it is here to stay, the bentugn't like how much, that's question. Now, Metaverse this, can, more than, yeah, the gankawanness, not only in thekewangan, inbaratness, but what role is it going to play?

and the impact is like what? So, back again, technology, there's the big-bye-notice-bursed-in-law-law the way that'sis how we can't make up the world of the way of our people we're having that, like we're saying about, how we can't, how we can

make use this to build that philosophy kind of culture in a easier way, let's say, yeah, can, that's more accessible, but not not, not

not make make sure our master yeah, yeah, so we've got to so I've watched enough of, I haven't watched it recently as much, but you know, it's a little, but, you know, I robot,

you know, all these sort of the rise of the robots, right? Which, the more I see it, the more real it is. If the Netflix, sepathed before, like, so, this, right, right, right?

So, this is not too far from the truth, me, that's right? But, in fact, about metaverse? Oh, can't be so long. But I'm not too not too spaket with concept for we're making by

only only for virtualization or virtualization. So, that's human human being given gift to make an virtualization.

Naman or meren or meren or mernou. That's metaversing. Yeah, right? How we can create metaversity for the penninginginginging

with imagination, and it can be percaya with, so bethue because of the fact, bach, non-n-fiction, non-fiction, non-fiction, autobiography, people who are people who can't make up to the world for the people who are in a lot.

I don't know, I'm going to look at it, it's more positive, than we're using an art to virtualization reality alternative. Yeah. Which, when it's in the same back, when it's back,

when we're going to, right? Yeah. And then we're from dissonance cognitive Yeah, right? Yeah, manning I'm noton film Bollywood just,

that's full with hailing. Yeah. Eskip, that. Yeah. Now, it's not too be perlucked. Just the more safe is how we're imaginative

and it's with bachan, and of the way of the cahua. But in the other, I don't know how, many of the people who are the gauvers. You don't need to wear the goggles. Just sit down and there's...

Just pick up the damn literature book. Yes, exactly. Yeah. To the depot-it-it-a-tom-a-tie. For Indonesia, in 2004-day. So at the we're at the about about the

about the end up to give you to the end uprored about big question so, this, I'm I'm, I'm just I'm just one woman, you know, need all the help I want, and again, I mean

this, right? It's great to see a figure like Uziap, where you have experienced a lot of things And you open the way, because for me, for the danger of the danger of the same. And, we're seeing kind of the notherasilance, the gagalant that's that's because I'm not too-tut-buck-b-bent-a-tut-bent-a-lars.

I mean, my 30s, disclosure, I don't want to say which side of the 30s, but I guess, I guess, just, I'm just because of the same asim-asem-grossed, so that's the system that's however broken, it's because there's that benefit.

Yeah, right? Some people... It's delusional to make at it's... ...that's someone who's always want to be able, more than the system there. Not even, because if

if, if, if, if, someone, is nothaping us, yeah, but the system that's the bad, but there's a bit more than it's going to be it. And, and to... And, to be it's going to be... Right, right, so how we can... I'm not idealist, practical side of my,

how we can be able to be able to more resistant to perubhaphan to be barren, we're going to get, right, right? By and by, but we progress the, probably, to, um, to atas, hopefully exponential,

exponential, but probably not the right direction, yeah. For me, for me, for me, for me to be able to be able to make sure, I'm making sure, to make sure, to make sure, to make sure, challenge myself, I think I'm going to what? Yeah, right? Yeah, right? And, I'm in the last year,

there's no, that's not there or not there, yeah, that's made me more fire up with, if, if you're going to, about investment in people. Yeah, right? And, back, back, for people. In short, but what's

but in the education, but I think I don't have status quo, that's not the status quo. The way we're being education, and not only in Indonesia, it's nother global, yeah, right? It's outdated, I'm not able to do

the path of the work on the or in our life our life. Like, what we just talked about, metaverse rate and technology, 5, maybe there's whatever verse that we might not even know, so how we can't even know, right? So, how we can't make sure

that our kids or we're still equipped. So, for me, back, again, again, like it requires a whole village not because I'm just because we're like you said get to know many people who said

at, yeah can't be education, in the penedican, and ininginging be innovation. For me, I hope I don't regret this because it's recorded but commitment my own to the next thing, it's the next The other is how to

we're innovation in people so that's just just to get a lot for the galae not too important but how it's really, it's, you know,

to, to, to build, you know, skills and people, and people who are more adaptive, actually, yeah,

not only information, not only download information, but, but, it's not the, so,

we're, so, we're, so, So I fully agree with what you say about Paterverse, where there's tandeman with, I do I agree with, how we're doing one of the PR's

building, or, makehidue back, buddha, and it's sadang-so-like, as I know that, as I thought, kinnokunia at Plasasasnayan, I'm, it'd be tutupe. I was devastated. I know. Yeah, can.

So, I'm... But it's going to be able to be able to be able to get how we can't tandem, but how can't use technology, but also not make hapush, yeah, can, how things manual, so we create a hybrid solution. We use technology, but not as a full-notting. I don't think technology is a silver bullet. Yeah, technology is a tool.

Yeah, same with us, with them up-access, we've got tole what, we've got to financing, through technology, but focus is the penedican, invest to people, that's. So you already gave me a lot of homework, I feel like, from this, I'm sure I'm not, but I'm sure we're going to invest not, invest in fact, so much strategist.

So, byangang, I'm, yeah, can, And for however long, much, you know, but I think, there's a lot of work to do. So, we're from here, we'll look at how much, but grateful with community that there's people that, you and so many other people, I know that are passionate about education. I think that's the change we need. How can we think about education, innovate in education.

For the matter of the world and the world we. Well said. All the very best. Thank you so much, Pagita. Yeah. It's been a pleasure talking to you, a lot of food for thoughts. Same. Same.

Thank you. and that's katee, co-founder of Erudify. Thank you.