Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Learn, Unlearn, Relearn | #Endgame ft. Dian Sastrowardoyo (Part 1)

Episode Date: October 7, 2020

Sejak kecil Dian sudah diberi kebebasan untuk menentukan pilihan seperti menentukan sekolah yang ia inginkan. Kebebasan tersebut turut membentuk pribadi Dian menjadi seorang risk taker yang selalu ingin keluar dari zona nyaman dan tidak ragu untuk melakukan pivot. Kuliah S1 jurusan Hukum kemudian pindah ke jurusan Filsafat, dan melanjutkan S2 jurusan Ekonomi adalah transformasi akademis yang Dian lakukan untuk mencapai goal-nya. Di samping itu, keberhasilan Dian di dunia film tak lepas dari keberanian untuk terus belajar hal-hal baru demi menambah pengetahuan dan mengasah potensinya. Bagi Dian, menyatukan idealisme, kreativitas, dan prinsip bisnis adalah hal penting yang harus dijadikan pertimbangan dalam mengambil keputusan.

The moment we want to know with new, want to get to get more, want to learn from no longer. You're not the smartest person in the room anymore, because now you're in a... in one of the one who's not just-you-just-you have to ask you to ask me to me, like, how you know,

this is N-GEN-LIN. Hi, We're coming, Dian Sastro Wardoyo, who are who are very known in Indonesia and has really, to be in the community. Today we'll talk about Dian,

about the small and the profession of the last year, and, of the endgame for the to the front. Dian, thank you, lo, be here, you can't, yeah, same, sir, yeah. Yeah, I'm going to ask,

you, you know, you're in Don Bosco, T-K, yeah? T-K. Yeah, if you're not, right, and then,

and the, the end of the SEMA, there are there's some of the other than you're why, why you're going to move inpp. If you're from the same time my dad's who's going to doveting it is there. So we're going to go, so you're a mom's girl. So you're a mom's girl.

Yeah, I'm not too much, and basically my dad doesn't do you know what's to do you're going to do with, who's going to do with mom. It's always mom. Mama, mom-al-mahed-mobile, every night, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she runs the show, like, in our family. And it's always been the three of us of it. So, so, yeah, because, from the room of Eeyang, I, who,

the back of my, and then we have to beckon-a-a-a-cagare-bago-bagan mama, So from Jakarta-in-Kalatan, then when I was M.S.M.P., then I was given to give a bebeasance. After my mom introduced me, Stephen Coffey, Steven Habits of Highly Infective People. I remember that. You know.

And then, he kind of gives me, The Liberty of You actually are entitled to be able to make sure you of your life you, so long as you know, what you know, what you're going to bebas, you know daftar in school, where you're doing all. So asal you have to doffat up asemps, I'd, so I'm going to go ahead.

Santa Ursula, Santa Varsuola, and Marsu Dina. Santa Luha and Marcius and I was broken-hearted. And I was broken-hearted. And I finally, I was into a dream, because that was one company, one yayasan with Santa Ursula, I'd want to say, M.A.m.'s not only, by the time I was in 1997, I was done, I don't think I want to be.

Santa Ursula anymore. So I'm going to be a tarqi girl more than Santa Lu. I just do after two. Santa Luha. The one of M.Posa. The whole, M. Poha. And then, then, after, and we're

to Yaysan-Kan-so, we're like, wait a minute, and then, and then, then, and, and, and, then, then, I'm like, like, both, every day, please, please, please, please, please, please, get, let's get, don't want to be Santhursula, girl, because, if, if,

freaking, I'm stuck with, freaking, she-pa-suster Chico, that's, I have to say goodbye to my career and everything, that's, because, because, when, at the same, all, and rumor has it, when, it's all-and-soddrae, to, all-out-out-the-school,

to drop, all of it, not even being an athlete, not even being a musician, not even being a model, what other than? Wow. Wow. Totally discouraging. Yeah, right? And then, in Tarcaena, what's just,

the band, it? Noancea. Oh, yeah. Nguyen. Yeah, okay. So, so... Vocalist, yeah? Vocalist.

So, when I was... ...and I'm banned with the kids of the SMA 3. So, Nuansa, the... Many artists, that, SMA 3. There was Bonita, Ms. Bonita, Ms. Bonita, a girl like Umkus. He was, and one of three. And, another three banded banded, good.

And then, all was it all right. So, yeah? Yeah, we're all the banded jazz. Bawain it's still friend of mine, like, like, you know. I still play that song. Yeah, yeah. And then, BASIA, that's the song like that.

And, there's, there's a few other lago alternative. Now, then, really, nuisance is one of one band like, But what's what's the music? Classic or, or like, or they're band. They're just going to ban. I don't know, they're training what.

Maybe they're less guitar, yeah? I think our family has always been, what, yeah, my mom, please, in piano. And I was, we're, we're,

we're every week to we're going to , it's like mandatory. So I think everybody's exposed to music every week. So, yeah, yeah, music has always been a part of our family, like, my mom, my mom, can,

She's the elder. She's the other, that's the same time, she's always, we're jacierragy-that-cathed, we're Catholic, not Christian, so, like, so much the normal, that. But they're, they're just the normal, that. They're, they're just like, oh, this, this, this is great,

like a greek, like, like, like, they're a cappella, who, like, oh, that's, like, oh, it's Al-Darana, like, because they're the most, taking over the whole church, like, choir.

Then, what's the genre? What's the genre? Slane acid, Jess. Oh, james that's the genre alternatives like Cheryl Crowe, Alanis Morissette. Oh. Oh. I was really, I mean, I during the first, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins.

Smashing Pumpkins, that's the album of Siamese Dream, so I like, so it's really, but then, then we've exposed to all of of some of some of some, when you're exposed to some friends or some boyfriends, who have been aspirations that's more, we're open to,

right, so, so, then, getting, Pat Matini, so it's okay. No kidding.

I know. I know. And then I'm impressed. There's there, there's, what, um,

that's just, If we hear in, like, like, like, like, like, like, I'm like, what, what, what's, what, I'm the musician in Indonesia, who's the hair, the hair puttie, and with partit-tour, but if we're hearing, like, like, like, like, it's like, like,

kind of, like, a bit more, kind of, I'm lost. You got me, man. I'm what's it? Dream Theater. Oh, a dream theater? Okay. I think band Indonesia.

I think about I was about Rush or... Duhlou? Bapa, do band discos? No. Bapa, you know, the same way. That's about, as a person in Indonesia.

Wow. That's the people... The band Indonesia? The people, people, Rata, all the people, All right now, they're doing progressive rock.

They do, but mind-blowingly genius, I'm, I'll look it up. This is like cockpit in Indonesia that's making the songs Genesis, or they do cover or original? No, they make original. Oh, wow, okay. Lucchoo. I'll see, I'll see.

This is like the U.I. 93, so it's, so that's the class I'm, I'm like that's about it. Okay, okay, okay. Then, then, the last year, with you know, with Jimmy Hendrix, yeah. My idol, Jimmy Hendrix, Mars Davis, when I was Sampy and up.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. The all-time favorite, like Billy Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald. Oh, my God. You never told me this. I've never even gave you to know,

you know, I actually not even when I used to depot, I'm like I'm at the depot, right? Depok, it's like there's three, like, you know, the only way to make it feel like, at least it's less hot than it is, is, is going to standard jazz, and imagine that somehow you're in New York,

like, okay, this, like, it's like, this, I'm going to hear in Miles Davis, and I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, you know, there, there was standard jazz album. That, I was shooting Passil Busik in 2009 or 2000, I'd hear in Tritiss and Parang Kusumo,

Gurun Desert of Bromo, it's heard of Armi-Kulit. Wow. And it's... Gila, I'm not-bayanghap-cahung. I think you'd do you, the pop culture. The pop culture top 40, I'm sorry. I'm a bit more high-brow than that music. You know, no wonder.

You know, you're so broad-based. Yeah, can... You can... ...you can... ...cern in school, acting, great in health, so big into health, so big into education and allan.

Maybe that's because the base is very broad from the kids. Because you like so many different genres. My mom, every day of week, massang, is this, Michael Franks. Okay. Well, that you can't get kind of, if you'd be I'm like that's like to get up day, every day, they're getting bigot,

and I think the one that was listening to standard jazz is the bapakins of mama. So I think in the 60s, he collected Piringingan Hitam. Okay. And they all listen to Louis Armstrong, like. Interesting. Then, what, when that's when,

when's the SMA or SMP? Woh. When that SMA. But actually, I was really into filmmaking. I watched the movie, which is goodwill hunting, then there films like Dead Poets Society. Great movies. And I was taken by those movies.

My conclusion was, it was how movies can really, like, like, there movement, there movement, in the dalam psyche we're. I wonder, when will Indonesia have that kind of movie, which inspiring you in the core of your being, like a fire in you, and it's not physically, but it changed you into a different person. So I wanted to become a director. So, I know becoming a director,

kind of has kind of like, pediccan formal or whatever, and then I think magang there's one production film indie, namenam jatou, and I apply for assistant sutradarra. But it's no, no, no, we have three assistants sutradar already. So, so, how we have,

is what's like that's about it's about $500,000, shooting is just two-hary, yeah, I'll gop just be able to beansin, you know, I'm going to be able to. Okay, I would learn the process of making an indie movie anyway, but you've got to promise me, you've got to give me access to, I can see how you make a film, it was with handicapped, yeah, then, Rudi Sujarwo, so I collaborate in that project,

And then the project, it's like, like, landed me some roles and parts in Pasirubishi, then, after being love, Ms. Nain Ahnas, and Mbara Miralesmana, wanted to cast me after seeing Bintang Jatoo. That's the film first, yeah? The film, right? In 2009, yeah?

In 2009. 2009, okay. So after that, I was to becebure to be actors. Because once you're, what, launch into becoming a profi, it's really hard to break that typecast, so people would never look at you and then consider, yeah, maybe we can hire you as assistant sutra-dara, or maybe we can hire you as assistant script writer. No, you're an actor, you're an actor, you know, you're a play ma'amain, ma'amain just. So it's really like,

like in-cot-cot-cot-coc-in-order to break that definition about you, type-caste, you need to really work hard to really work double hard to reconvince people that you can actually more than what they're giving you labels for, like... How much tougher was it because you were a woman? Was it tougher just because you were a woman? I think it's a little bit tougher for me a woman. Because like, this,

the friends of my men who are people who are coming a producer or crossover to become a director, they're more welcome by the crew, or by the community of film industry. If we're a pre-supposed assumption that we're just another diva, even you're just another diva. Emma, you're going to get to get up,

2006, I think I want to grow, the year-bendiped during film, and I finally I've got to come back, because I think the only way to prove myself that I actually can do something else other than acting in front of the camera, that was out of the industry I'm really out of the industry, I'm not to work,

not brought attribute that, such a bunch of, yeah, 2008. So, doing consulting. Dund, dung, d'un, culun, not be-gap, adh. But the moment you get out of your comfort zone, you grow, see, pa. I'm not. I'm that really that moment we want to know with

with people to get to learn more, you're not the smartest person in the room anymore because you're in a, in one of the other than we're just-you-to-just-rued to ask you to ask me how to do you, you grow. And I think that was the tipping point, see. I'm making myself comfortable

about the idea of challenging myself over and over again. So, so, so much more than you're always challenged yourself, always come from somewhere else, and we succeed to prove to ourselves, oh, I'm trying to survive, okay, and, I'm trying to learn much, with, with Colorado de Compton.

After, if it's been stagnant, this status of why, I'm going to be human, why I've got to be able to learn again, what I have to learn again again. So after I'm back in front of the camera, I was like to the film six years after that, 2013. I've been getting this film, there's Permanent Cinta 2, 724.

It was like rom-coms, basically. Yeah, I'm not even as a filmmaker, but how can I grow even as a filmmaker, so I was challenging, myself, I think I must have to change, I must be able to turn to be action that, who I think I have to play as a villain, like, after, it's always being protagonists,

I approached this directors and producers that I've been able to know what, and I nonchalantly and respectfully approached them, hi, I'm a big fan of your work. Can we have coffee sometimes? Just to try my luck, you just like, you like, you can consider working with me, I know you don't have any part for me. And it's, I don't get me to me. The Mo brothers, yeah.

He's my nephew. Really? From from from the father? From his mother's his wife's my cousin, Kimo. Oh, the doctor. He's my nephew, Kimo. Oh, he's my nephew, Kimo. Oh, so Kimo, yeah, Kimo and Timo.

Yeah, I approached Timo, so. Timo, okay, they're kind of partner-on, when you make film, kind of, yeah, but Kimo is really great. I approach him and learn more about the producing world about filmmaking, to be learning from Kimo. And I always respect to people who not elite-il-il-il-il-it-il-you- who's who's who's good. Okay, backtrack a little.

School, lulled from Tarki, then to U.I. GAMB. What happened? What? What? What happened? Before FHUI, that's just, uh, uh, uh, Hukum. And it only, just, but I'm just two semesters, just a year. Why? I...

I... it was really... I was really... ...their imping, maybe, because not... I was not engaged. I was in an auditorium class, 500 people, one of the Umpathans, where the teacher is basically not inspired by its own material, so like, why would I be doing?

My friends, like, titip absent. Then, after that, there's like, I'm not inspired, so, I'm not going to fool myself, I'm going to come out out WMPTN again. When I was the other time I thought, I still want to be a filmmaker, can, ma'ampton, And how do you learn to be a good filmmaker if you're in, there's jurorsan film?

So I thought, you'd make the basics of, what, like, structure, thinking. So anything that you want to do, become a writer, become a docent, or even a filmmaker or a writer or director. You can actually make a philosophical film one day, so. So, so... And I haven't regret it. I'm so grateful that I was out from me.

the place that I was so engaged. I was so inspired by philosophy. I was I gotoes of philosophy. I gotoes docentesan, like Rocky Gerung, I met with a lot of godies Arivia. That introduces me to this sophisticated world of reasoning, abstractal thinking post-modern thoughts, feminism. And I was so fascinated because they are genuinely fascinated by the materials they teach themselves. So that class was very intense. Less than 20 people, just about 15 people.

So nobody can dose off in class. People would... Dosen, that's, eh, you know, what's your point of you about this thought? So it's... So it's... ...it more like that, ...darder than 500 people, you really push the boundaries. And, okay,

let's tell, if, if, if, if, in Indonesia, we're, we're not, philosophers? I think that's critical thing. I don't know. I don't think it's popular. I think...

I think that's your ticket to find a job. That's it. And if you're... If you're... If you're... There's actually no market for it, like, like, I guess,

like, gaysa, galamar, to... ...toe, to city bank, to World Bank, that's... Okay, explain me again, what is philosophy. That's psychology, right?

No, it's not. I'm like to educate people with philosophy is. What do you think is going to happen in the future? Philosophy? If I have seen that's been doing in automations, or robotization, demand for things abstract, like philosophy, it will be making. Yeah, right?

I'm not for the same, for philosophy. Yeah, right? Accountant, maybe, not it's not about 20, 30-town again. Yeah, right? And then, then the lawyer, not like the the way that's like to be in the application, we're stuck, where we're just, we've just puttap it,

the regulations, and then how it's how much. Yeah, right? Yeah, right, sir, pa, yeah? So, can, we learn, if we're going to doleus philosophy, we're, we're just making scripsy, and UI's requirement, it's quite, like, internationally. Like, for S-1, you need to have at least,

these two piece of a theory that you learn, it's all you want to take theory of Immanuel Kant, or you want to get the theory Julia Christava, the theory that you're doing it. But you need to use that theory that you learn to make another conclusion antithesis again, so you cannot just

cut and paste or just basically restating things that people already know, you can just read it in the library. But you need to come up with a new idea that's what's been thinking about the beauty industry. Baja, but you know, pa? Sementara, I was like, I'm attacking myself. Like, why would you want to do that? I made a five-chapter scripty, and I was quite proud about it.

So I was about the concept of beauty, the beauty concept of Emmanuel Khan, that what, actually, what is it, it's what, it's what, like that's about it's about borgiaeux, borgue, Bordeu, it's, about what's the same about social, what's the about being a female. So, there's always concept that's been milky the way people should be able to look

or to appreciate by the people. So that's what's the way to be it's about tobaraq it. And to be able to three, I'd dobrook again, theory theories, post-modernism, feminist, so there's Julia Christava, where, and then, then, and then you look at

Madonna's posture, which he's ponderance, that he's, like, very sexualized, that's, like, very sexualized, that. The, who, yeah? Do you consider her as the object of sexual imagination of people who embelly poster that?

Is, do you think that she's this subject? Good question, right? Because the moment that you see the bigger picture, in the same she is letting a part of herself, which is just the look, which is not the whole self of her, it's been exploited by people. She is actually being the subject.

What's the object by the person is those people that buy that poster, so. So he's like exploitati dompet, dompet, the co-co, that's who, they're paying poster that. So, so he's not just one phase, not just one concept, there's multiple concepts, like, which part of you that you want to do you? But when you're going to dole photo, you're not doing you want to sell your whole. You're not the mastermind behind this scam, you know, so that's the really interesting

role play in beauty industry, where I'm at the last my position as a brand ambassador of a beauty soap that at the moment as you may thought that I might objectify myself as a sexual object or beauty object from campaign

at the moment, I'm actually going to be subject and you're my object, and I was... I kind of felt liberated and empowered by that kesimpulence of my script. Because I feel like I'm more than just this what, what, yeah, perception that people have been

I'm actually liberated to make my own perception about myself. I am free. I can actually be playful about it. I can manipulate people about letting them feel I'm stupid. So it's so fun. It's like being a born girl. When a born girl, when a woman, this is a woman,

who's just dumb blonde who can be able to be a trophy wife or whatever. At the moment, actually, I'm thinking you, and it's so fun. And they got fooled. Wow. Or maybe that's manifestation of the of the monsoonaned posture of the poster poster poster poster that or?

Yeah. Yeah, maybe. One way to look at it. But, gila, this is the Dian Sastro that's the... Yeah, who's not know. Yeah. Who's just the docent I like Geroom or who's

or what they have their opinion about me, yeah, they know the real me. But I don't think people is actually very interested about this side of me, because it's not popular, it's not interesting for the it even makes them feel intimidated. What's in it for them? So I'm like, okay, not about it's not like,

I'm not like, like, I'm not like, like, because not like, not long for me, because, like, yeah, yeah,

I enjoy it, like, like, like, this could go on and on. But, okay, then, you're, you're all the

S-2 in the economy, right, in U.I. Why the pivot? So, so you know, when I was about about 2009, that 2008? 2008.

I understand that as a lullusan philosophy in the company management consulting, it's a bit like... 2009, you're right. 2009. That's like, type cast as, oh, you're a nought-lunerah

so I was only being given the projects that were being given the projects with soft, what, what, people power, so it was an HR company, so I was an HR company, so I was a project that was assessment. Wyatt, if not so, no, it was Hay Group. Now, it was a ha-group, yeah, so he was merger,

if, if, no, so, so, I got a project assessment, the, more, more, like, like, then, I'm going to go to REM, I'm going to, to start people who can't who can't get people who's

lusan engineering like why is that? That's that, that's a big question, to go brood with my boss, atasat my, atas at my son of Fahoe at all that, yeah, we need to be able to speak in the language of CEOs, the C-suite level. And the way they speak is, they're looking in,

in a form of REOA, in a form of angle, ratio return on investment, if they invest in services we, what, we have to be able to termed that's in financial. Okay, I'm not my . Okay, I'm not my forte. I'm sadder if I'm going to grow,

more to more than I'm being a strategist, I need to get comfortable with numbers. So I'm going to have management to the money, and that I was back accounting book 101, too. Like I said novel, though, I didn't understand. And you cannot rely on the docent, because he's not have to give us to understand, rely on friends, we just having the time.

So what do I do? I wake up until like 4 a.m. in the morning when everybody's asleep. I've got a baby, I was having a child one. I was having a child two. And I read it. And if I'm not get, back again. If I read it again, so I read it like a novel.

It's, if I read it like a novel. It's, if I was slattering. It was, I was stodering it. I was being cunyed it, if you put your mind and effort into it, it's not even you would eventually understand accounting and management and investasies. It's really, it's a very bad.

As a former accountant, I'm not very proud of being an accountant. But it kind of limits creativity. It stifles creativity. Because because, because it's kind of... But if you can't really creative as a accountant. You need to understand it's right?

You can't make the ledger, journal, or so much. But you can actually manipulate, if you're really in a common-sensical way. In a questionable ethical state. But, but it's, it's not, can't get what? Financial management, apuntansy, economy, and so all right.

I was quite proud of from there. And I was quite proud. I was pregnant. And, and with knowledge that I got in there, I'm branicking to film, but I'm not just just to just to play just,

I'm going to go to producing. That's why you're more comfortable, and now you have the understanding of every business, that has to back-modal, if you're not sustainable, don't. So you need to marry your creative,

idealism, same has your business side, that this more must back model, the money investors, all right, I understand that. Before, before, before I was going to be able to consulting, I'm going to go, Bapa, do you know, Bapaw, who just want to make film,

but not know how to back the modality? So, the, intuiting film, so, the door just with a filmmaker that, you know, brainy about, doing things. But it doesn't work anymore, that's, like, I mean, like, I'ma Shanti Harmein. She was a producer of Phasirberbisic,

and she married this World Bank senior staff who gave him all the knowledge and all the... Right, we need the context of... The wisdom of... ...the wisdom of... ...economics. And we were both fascinated in macroeconomics. So, I really knew...

Why is that important? Am I just playing around here, or am I actually doing something that is really meaningful for the human-race in the world-bukes? Now I've got to know-in, that's the answer, why film is important for the development of manusia and the way of our country, so I have a better meaning about being a filmmaker. So, if I was a better meaning about being a filmmaker.

You know what's like a lot? Like you're not dignity and there's no something to be proud of. Like you're just being being for popularity and money, like easy money. But now I can stand up and find my fellow banker friend and yeah, you damn right I am, I'm a filmmaker, and I know I'm doing it for all the right reasons, to make your damn economy still to do it. It's okay, you can say it.

You can say, Fricken. Wow. Wow. So, like, I learned a lot from South Korea. So, I believe that you're also a great believer of soft power, right? Soft power, ques it, Bange. Do you know problem why?

Yeah, sometimes, that, the, people Indonesia, not because not because not but not can't be English. That is one. The two, they don't have a good concept about what being in the Indonesian really means. I mean, This is endgame.

The episode endgame is the time of the same game, right? How can't we mitigate generation gap this, don't even if they're really to be a lot of the sense of root, about, I still still people.