Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Mahfud MD dan Kekecewaannya Terhadap Hukum

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

Mahfud MD dan Gita Wirjawan membahas bagaimana kita dapat membangun negara lewat hukum. Juga menyentuh topik terkait korupsi, posisi hukum dalam demokrasi, prinsip keadilan hukum Islam, hingga pendidikan dan tatanan dunia.Mahfud MD adalah Guru Besar Hukum Tata Negara yang pernah menjabat sebagai Menteri Koordinator Bidang Politik, Hukum, dan Keamanan; Ketua MK; Anggota DPR; dan Menteri Pertahanan.#Endgame⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#GitaWirjawan⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#MahfudMD⁠Catatan dan referensi tambahan episode ini:⁠https://sgpp.me/eps214notes⁠⁠Jelajahi dan jadi bagian dari komunitas kami:⁠⁠⁠https://endgame.id/⁠⁠⁠Untuk ajakan kolaborasi dan kerja sama, hubungi kami di sini:⁠⁠⁠https://sgpp.me/contactus

We're going to get in jatty-dry and the kind of of people who are in fact. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to have a lot of the lawcum. Hucom is always calh with politics. Why? Because,

because the lawcum is a product politic. There's no harm to. Hucom is the person who's part. Democracy, without a human, is, and anarchist, but the if not, if it's not,

if you're not un-in-lawful, democracy, to perassarat. The right-it-not-law-y-oddoh, why, pake democracy, that's what's doing-buylis-swara.

Now, in our country, that's all, Aristotle, has said, we've got. We've got to Mavut. From 13 May, 19, 757,

Sampang, Sampang, So, after the next is what for Pamhub? No, there. So, I'm going to go to-in. I was, I'm going to

get-cit-citania, but tibbao-tie, but in the, there's al-alil this. If Allah Allah, menhendagi something to do, it's justa-culte to do.

Hello, I'm here, we're to get-a-Mafud M-D. Pat Mahmhud, thank you very. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm here.

I'm one of many of people who not know why why the name of Bapakut MD. Can you be jolasked, yeah, it's a lot of but this is I'm going to I'm from

in Madura, in Madura, umumnia, uh, NU, that's, the name-nama to use the

is that, I'm very in there, by Joyo, Rome, Suyanto, that's, Mahfut, Ahmad, Hamid, Arab, Arab, all.

And I'm, and I'mhapput. Now, the name Mahfut, is popular. Mahfut, if in in Basa Arab,

are people that are people perpeler, that's, kind of, that's a lot so, so in a certain

When I was when I was in the school Lanjutoran first, the school in the first that's the name's the education from because the education is student, Llan,

LSD, I'm Degh, Llan, there, three, Mahfut. Dullo, I was in the time I was in 2001,

I'm in P. If you, if you're going to come upsen, absent, right? Namann, absent, the absent,

first, one, when it's about Mahfut, that's the Mahfut, that's because it's same. Mahfut, Mahfut,

and then, my guru, it's, me name name Sementara, you know, Mahfut A, you,

B, you C, did-tul-a- D, Ch, Mavut-A, K'A, Mafud-C, the

And then a week then I guru I said Wow, this is not name I'm okay I'm B, C

just like you know of the name of your name of you yeah that's what yeah Oh, the

A to namah Mhufu Mhufah Mhufu B who's what Namaurangh Mhudh

Jadil Jadilhhh Jadilhhh Mhhhhhh Mhhhhh Mhhhhhh Mhhahahah myahahahahahah

myahahahahahahahahahahahah if you, if you, if you're called, to, it's just gung name of the ones each and then. Then I'm aghackal. I, like, I'm a little bit more than rematch.

That, why, name Mahmoudin, is, if you're getting, with Mahfut. Mahmoud, Mahmoudin. Then, what, disingka, don't. Mahfut MD.

Okay, I, I'ma, Maphot M. Dillah, Kata, said, Rangh, I'm, I'm not,

this is, this is not, Masha. Massu, IJASA. IJASA, in the one of the one.

It's been from Jakarta. So if you cannot be being made get to get that. Sudden,

number seriness that, not be able because it. That's the name and then, it's

the name, and it. So, so, the DOSet, so, the guru be able to,

even, even the even the M.D. So, that's the name. So,

that's, that's, RASM. NAM. RAS. But, but not

name small, when they're not asme as much. Many people mayer that's people,

that's, what, that's, what, medical doctor? Yeah, medical doctor. There are

who are who, this, this, this, the minister of defense. In fact,

that, people, people, people, people, this, this, motto,

the motto, the motto, motto, I don't puto, I'm specific that, but,

ajaran, ajaran yeah peddoman in in life that, yeah, he'd up, soderhanna, what is,

that's juster. If you're you're just, you know, you're, you, you can't, but if you don't do

you're, you can't make sure, that's, not a mutton that's specific in one kind of,

that's ajaran. So, so, so, I'm, I'm, the status Twitter or what,

I, if I'm not, Muth, M.D. If you're jujure, you'll come to

mucur. If you don't you're all just that's much that's that's

that's ajaran about my own my decision. Keputusan Bapa,

for school in Jokja Yeah. Who? The person or Bapa and so

guru. So, so I'm so. I'm right. I'm I'm living in the kuntran,

Madurra, can. Cita, I, that, I mean to be guru agama.

Why? Guru Agama is a government that's the gaudy by the

country. Now, so, there's school to be guru agamah

called education, the time when it year, the school education,

there's also there's also, I'm also to education

guru agam. What Chita- Jita? J. J. Gita?

Gert, that, If you're going to do to teach in Shurau, that's not just a different. But when I was in SMP that, PGA, at the time, the end of the SMTP,

the PGA, the SMTPs, not three-torn. Because, they're going to be the Gawai Negrie, I'm, I'm,

d'ilal again, to, in qualification the three murids the three murgues, the other The one of the best of carisidanean, it's, they're giving to Jukja,

what's school. What is the school. What is the school. It's called. I'm going to go back again, this. This is a good. It's a good. It's a good.

It's a king. Want to be haqeim Islam, right? Now, in the penidication of Islam, this, this is MA. Guru, gurusheran, jacsa, and aces, I'm chakia,

I'm, I'm, by the law. Wow, this is a good that's good for the reason why

because I'm going to make the faculty of the law because of notep, it's not be't in

the SMA as to the hakeem agamah that maybe that's the level that I

want faculty of that I'm because I must be law U.I.

Joghaka University Islam Indonesia, Jukhaka. Now there, I Kaguam

to the Dossens moda that activist. This is there has a docene that's

Pinter like Artijio Al-Costar to Hakeem Agong that's Kuroh, that's great this. Oh, hebat, me.

People who are not-gared, but I'ma-buck-buck-buck- about. If I'm like, I'm just, I'm like,

GUR-A-Gama, not, A-K-M, but, other than, so. So, so.

Cita-Cita-Cita-Cita my, the last the last , the last the last D-Cult-s-Cult-s-Cum, Tuts-Cult-C-Cum,

just because of that. I've got to be a student, so many people, in the faculty of the lawy, Jobbjah. But, when S. 1, while I'm at faculty in the fuliae,

I'm at UGM, jurusan sastra Arab. Because I can learn with Arabic, Arab, too, since I'n't, man, when, if the BASA Arab, I'm going to rank up in UGM, in Sastra Arab.

Now, so I'm A. So, I'm Rangap, I'd be a class. But, but, again, then, mas, we're at a titic back, from the life

I'm going to move to politics. If, from the judute emotional, in the year 71,

I've got to come mat to politic because the people my parents to, the people,

but also, activist, Nhatotululululah. Nade Tullu Lama that, at that is a party

political in 2007 not not always not always I'm not used I'm in I'm not

I'm sorry I'm I'm sorry to have what I'm I'm why I'm learn about

I'm I'm I'm in 828 183 I'm I'm 828 I'm 3 I'm tewapua

I'm sorry I'm but I'm there's not there's not goodnation When that, I was already

merbac corruption, merbach to rebeck to rebecca under law, I'm learning, RANDASAR, to have HAPA, KUHP, SUND, KUHP,

I've done, I'm doing HAPIS, I've been, in this country this. So, I'm going to do you,

law political. S-duan into the public. In UGM. In UGM. In, UGM.

Now, in SITU by, Guru Beem, A. R.S. is, Guru, I'mah,

Yahya Muhammad, Muhtar Masut, Afan Ghafar, especially Mbidivk, so I'm being like, soing the kisimulah, because the symbolion, because the fuling, because the,

kum is always calh with politics. Why? Because, the, the, product politic. There's no, the, the,

that's nother same. Huckum, is, that's the person, the power of that's,

that's, that's, Lalu, I'm telling why, why, Mah, Mavot, the,

people, the, is always bingong. Because the wrong who's not know

the know of the people, but he don't know about the law law that he's

only can't be able by the power political. That's because I also S-3

in the bidang the public public public, and I hadaping

two that, the other, the way, it's, it's

the word, so, that's the word Lus S-3 and made get

guru-besar or professor in the bit of the political-hook. When I was, I, the first and one-one, guru-besar, the law-politic-hook. That's been took-to-le-le-nagued-in-a-nagued. Because, when it was a-lombo-bancke, if you're doing-bilang-il-politic, there, there's-hook-n-hout-pment-politic,

that. Maka, there is a-lotech-h-hook-n, naman. And I'm then I'm then dulae in the year and then

then I'm musulkan matakulia new in Fakultas Hucum, I came in Mhurtukh

Mata Maja yeah. When that he was he's in Lournard but the

court but he did you gettukes Mata Kulia in Perguranting that was

I was usul to do you know political Hucm. Why? The person

Hulang is always I'm beingonged, they're going to be called by politics. Not it's the law policy.

Not can't be. I'm used dissertation. Methodology of the methodology the hukum. And if in the faculty

hukes, there's sociology that, there, budaic hukum. Why, politics, the law, there's,

there's, it's just, this, this is made, this year, since the year 24, the maca

of the S.2, I, I'm lulue, I'm just, I'm just, musul, I'm going to, I'm going to

become. I'm going to give a guru teacher public huk. Now, I'm too,

because before it, if you're before it, if you're not, the law, government, government,

administration. I'm the first, I'm a political hukes. I'm about legal

policy. The policy, the, the reason, what should be what, and what

what's what is what, what make sure, what So, I'm going to I'm going to

know that if you career academic and I think I'm really, the job

my, this is the this is the part of that's what that's about, that's

I've got decision, that's standard cita-cita-s- and I'm under the good and the

director too. director, that's, I mean I'm not there. So, I'm going to

jabata jobatting job at that. If you, in the law, there,

there is there is a stilap Petita. Ultrapetita is one giveerer on the

out of the court, that's that you can't, but Mr. Utak

I, Pat I'm Gugat I, Mahfut, to, you, you, it,

So, so much This is the sumloughly $100,000, miscellar, as well, as it was already the perlady, the money,

the tax, the money, to $125,000, $125,000. Hacim that's $1,000, but that's $1,000,

that's not ultrapetita, more than the one thing than what they're saying, but as soon as that,

the namenation, it's, that's, it's, Tibba, after tibre, after the MNTRA, after DPR,

to DPR, to DPR, KETA, so I'mgues, I'mgap, this ultra-petita, need, ultra-petita,

Pemberian-N-TUHan than I'm Minta. I just need to, and it's all right, and it's all right, yeah, this is all right,

this is all right, I'm back to India again, that's, standard, cita-cita-sai can, this, now,

now, now, I'm back to see, MNko, Volhul-Hukam. That. What?

What? What? Cita-Cita. So, it's just be a-u-bha-hubal. I don't have one cita-cita-cita-tungal. Bapac-N-Baphae,

philosophy, Hukum Islam and constitution Pancasila and other, for the people, to,

how, to try, there, is, there, is, there, there, can't,

so, the, Antar the Fulcum or Philisavat Hucum Islam with Pancashila. Yeah, so, so... Yeah, so, so... It's, we're going to... It's...

...itoumptuking and perumusan ideologu and constitution. I want to say, we're going to be thank to... ...theirder and generation Norholish-Majid... Yep. ...in the time...

80s and conciliations, reconsiliates the abuant, because this, in the year, in the year, when it's,

it's, it can be indirical, there, a clompo that not want the country Pancasila,

there, a clompoe that not not, the, partankation that's, and pertentangangance

to, that's, that's been not in the 45, the, partentangang between

Nasir and Muhammad and Bungarno in 28, Pant poll maker, Nassir, Minta, because

when it's been Merdick, already be jangy-in'r- there's- there's-bay-an-mer-deka. Sukarno, not-Busa, we don't be in-

dirrica-agam. Nasir, the, the thing, the country-N-N-N-A-N-Slam, this, did-baw-N-Process the process

the form-tok-n-Merd-Sah that, that was-sid-Mew-Y, yeah, since the month May until Augustus, it's interlipat

pertentangan ideology one of the Islam, two clompo nationalists who nationalists is Islam hebat, hebat too,

yeah. Bungarno, is, more than Kiyahe, menurotya, Bung Hatta also.

Yamin but he want a not agara not not Gala, the reason why the government

and the same as much not GARY, but NACA, but Nassir N'A, If if we're agamah,

yeah, a country also. So, and Nasir this is this is not a good,

and then because of the problem, it's comepromy by the Agam Jakarta,

right. Now, maybe as a kind of people, people, in UN

is, is wrong, the Rammat N. N.U. It's since during

N. N.U. Justru, the most the most ginkar to beaurembuds just to be gestur

lulled re-niquation because because when you until M.U. M.U.

M. Mottetia Mottetrikan Mottedat Maldi who Motha, I'm not. I'm also

not, not the other government Agamah. Lacka and Racka Racka is Kahlame this,

he's going to talk to because of Turkey just when they're moving to make sure that's

compromise, yeah, compromise, yeah, this because there's a government, and the

kingdom Jakarta this is a end up the end up what, which is a consulksuctor

to give the government and the government and the government that's the termed umum

now, that we are penganoet Nagar Gehousan, that is the generation of Gurd, and Norholis Majid.

Lalu also there that's the M.H. Inouin Najib. PAD, there was, there,

came in Raiis, there, come, people, people, people, people, national,

more academic, not pertentangangue. If you're patentakan political, if you're five, nine, can be a lot, winging the

Islam and other, that one is, the country so that's not defoting bercal even being

not there not there's men who are mengues, if they're when it's people, the country

has been to make the two per three, and this not ever three, this is not

ever three, this is not ever get paid president. 5 July, 5. 9. Now,

some time, well, many years, many years, people, people, people, Like Nurholismajid,

Gisdur, who's who said, that's not the government and agamah it's not be pertentang-k because

the country it's in-Norot-ul-ul- not-N-A-N-Loh. There's not men who-Negarate. Can't get-it-cuh. Just, yeah, there's-d-old,

must-e, there organization, which, there, There's penguasance, there Raiatna, that's a Rhaqa, that's In the other, in the Islam,

there's bountingusputan negarah, there kata, there's kata, there kata balaat, yeah, can? There's kitha. There, there kitha. Now,

so, so, the country can't beasasasak. But, this, the, the, you know, the, that's the most of the , there's not a gooderushan

we're to indirical, we're not the country, the, The country that's the bentonowning but what's

secular, be a reubleauze, be resettance, be resettualization, can't centralization which isentralization which is important in order to

the country that is just need to be able but it, but what's in the country that whatever, the country

republic, the country, the country, but there's five hal yeah, which is called what namani

Makosit Aschari name it. Setiap. It's not even people are you want to be able to one of the whole.

One, melendunging the same each and yeah, right, melendungy resamilat

the human rights, and will end up people, willunding kusatown and and melenduny

curing, geturion, in Indonesia there's there's always there, Kutuzudan Karnur Kuh,

you've been indunging, you know, more agam, should beindunging. You, your people, there's a

human, there's a agar keturran you have been sure there's a agarotemu not rustic

and you're just be atured food and mannuman that if you don't be bad there,

there's there's there's there's so there is already islamy now that

that's that's that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm think back in the

I'm like that. I'm at the latter-belaghanes. So, I know, thinkeran, the kind of of the kind of of the country and bea-nac-ne-negarer

and bea-mastraked, and then I'm going to the law-and-negare. Now, this, Mr. Mahfut, can make, make-lac-a-

or reintegration or reintegration on the hum-um-and-hook-agam and the so-game. So, I'm going to

I'm constructsing a country and agamate one, one, the one,

the one of the lawgum but the form the form of different, what is,

what I'm, what I'm first, in the al-Kur-an and hadis, there

not the public, not there kata-d- democracy. I'm, can't- -monarchy,

can-a- -a-a-a-a-a-sha-sard. There's, I'd say, what there? In the Al-Quaan or Hadis as a sub-primir, that's a good, that's a democracy, or carajan, or monarchy, that. There's, no, there's, no, there's. And, man, right?

And, you know, man, man, why, not endirical a country like Nabi muhamma. Ah, ha, hamphab, too, hughan, the humonging the country, like, gagat, or not? Why, Pah Mavut, said,

"'Pak, ma'ud, too, the landerick, the right, you know, because there Dalai, you know, you can

help, if, uh, what, name, put on the two hal that I'm kind of,

this, this, this, if you, want to get two this, that you,

can't, you can't make the un-N-N-N-N-A-N-B, but, the, other, there,

harta, the So, the whole arus chilafah because

the chilafat is a name in al-Quran, there's a kata, there kata, there kata,

there, there's sultonia, there, other, Emirat, Emirate, yeah, can,

unia emirat, that's not a agamah also, yeah, yeah, there, also, there,

also, the, soalal, soal, it'serer, but the principle five hal it's,

there, there, the one, I'm, I'm, I'm not a landericant of a abe.

Why? So, I'm, so I'm, even if I'm massit Islamic Center in Newyok, Samsi Ali,

yeah, Nulis in Twitter. Wow, that's, that's, that's, in Twitter, I'm going to

do, two years, last, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to be, I'm again, about,

you know, about, you know, not there, not there, the debate with, the debate I,

the question, I'm about it. I'm because the country is the people, the head of the power of

the people, the way, the humonging from the abe. The time nabes, there's not

there hakim. There's the lembaga legislative DPR. Executivs, there's there in nabbe

all. Who's now who want who want to be the people?

I'm because not arm, the right you can't you, you know, you have

you new. Padal in the adi sunah y'al Jamaa, Nabi is that's been

tutu'u. So, because of it, since other the other people, Abubakar, namah

Holifah. Yeah, can? It's who malherka Khulah Khah, Nameshah

Amir. So, because it is called Amirulmian not disbuit, not disbue al-N-Mirah Emirate,

now, Lakhir, now, now, Ali, indirical imam, Imam Ali, is about Gautman.

Yeah, Usman, Horifah, the same. But, but the system pemilhani, he's already.

Paki Ahlulhaliwal Agdi. Ali is called Imam Ali. Lakhirlah, like, Iran, now. So, so, so that's from Jaman,

all Islam. Usma. Now, now, now, asked Usman, can, the, the way of

the, if abu-Bakar is democracy long, Right. But, right. But, but... But he's.

This, um, this, democracy, berubak, um, rumored. Umar did tune. Oh, yeah. If I'm gonna be able, Khabakar,

who's, who's monarchy, penunjukan. But, but when I'm gonna land, he's made, he's,

name-al-hali-al-Aqi. If I'm- myel-l-A-Q-T- I mean, nancy, nine people. It's already like in the parliament

to, like the parliament. If you're like ayes, then we're like the same after the birth, republic,

and what, the country Islam, that's not, if now, if now, per-hary this,

there are 22 of the people, the organization confernice Islam to, can, the,

can't be different, different. Now, so, so I'm not I'm Bernigara in Islam,

what we're using into a country Pancashila with the United States, it's already compatible with ajaran Islam. That is termed ajaran al-Qa-Kur-an and Hadis

for the need of Indonesia. So, why we're we live in a country Indonesia with data the law that we're under constitution we

where the nilai, nilalai Islaman it that's up in the life without to be in-nature.

TANpa must be part of Islam this, the law, this, not without not even

a lie-in- -l-l-in-a- so. So, I'm not, but, yeah, dalil-in-n-

-lety-lety- I-l-l-l-a-l-l-a-l-l-lis-a-l-l-l-lis-lum if, if you want to want to make ajaran Islam that's

you, make sure substances what? Al-Ibrough, I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Because you ask you about Islam. Al-Aibro is, Phil Islam, Jahar, La Bilmathar.

If you want to build the Islam, amelah Ibrough with substance it,

not the not function it. Substantincipin' Islam, to, to the adilance, the jujurans,

anti-corruption, democracy, okay, yeah, right, if you know, democracy, that, the,

the, and it's, the same the world, in the five hal that. That's Islam. And,

by the way, that, the country Indonesia, to, until, time, yeah,

until the year's it's been called as a country Muslim the world from the sudet but if you're not wrong,

the pastel because of Pakistan, yeah, more than Indonesia, yeah, it's 90% we're reproductions

yeah, yeah, we're 8,7% from from the Pakistan, 90% more,

the people, the people more, and the number of, because if only, if just 90%

Azerbaijan, also Islam, I was a lot. It's not, it's all of people. Yeah, but but there's

almost not there. But, Islam, they're if they're if they're like it. Now,

now, now, now, kind of, yeah, that's big, that's

paradoxal, who, that's about Abubakar, that is caliph pericutna, that,

it's, it's, too, democratic, and technocratis. Yeah. Because, it's

the most senior, the, capable. Yeah. TURUN-temurun it's in Saudi. Yeah. The system of the government is the government of the

system of the intermentally that exists as a democracy. Yeah. Yeah. Which is it to be able to, technocratic, like, technocratic, in the time you know, in terms of tip. That's a little paradoxal, right? Yeah, because

this is asudah Nabi Muhammad Waffat, can then Umat Islam rubbed to how this

how how much how much the way there also there's that you

if that umaraj people the people who are the one one, usul

Ali because Kata Ali is Kuturan Nabi and there some

somecabab Abi that, actually, if I'm not there, Wahyu, this Ruiu'i, so there's people who are saying, there's Ali.

The one said, has Umar. But there's umar said, no, this is abu-bacar. Because, what, Abu Bakar? If, Nabi,

if, Nabi, there's a mani-en-medin'ad. Yeah. Palling senior, yeah. Yeah, can. Yeah, who's-in-law, Ab-Bakar.

Ayy, Bayat, all. So, yeah, but, but, but, but, not not yet

to the other the other the and then then came out that's the same

this isbut this this is the and then mutuahulbaid that abu-bacar Umar

that that's men's churry jabatans this should be ali this this is the whom shah

which then then beckmang in Iran so back now, so so, yeah, until 10,

20 years Lally, if Khad in Iran, Konon, the word that's what's,

what, how many, per kutuk, Abu Bakar and Umar, yeah, can,

he'll beulang, and, even, even, the, of, Kisya, that is called,

Palsh, in Iran, that, the, people, the, people, the,

people, Si, So, the development. So, so, the politics, the statenegaraan

and hukum in the world Islam, it's come from tafsir. Right. The ayat

same, right, the way, the way, talcouran is that. Bissue, can't do you,

can't make a kaisaran, in many, man, but, but, but, but, but, because,

menurot Agamah, you dovet, you dovetel It's as well-to-beautuan Bank Samu. If you, if in the in the other

there's a kind, La Yung Karu Tawoyurul-A-Kam, Bita-Jiril-Azman, well-h-h-h-h-h-h-harm. It's not be incurred. It's beenarue by, it's been a bit-w.

When-Nabat, when, bed. If the place is, the, Hukom Islam in Maruco, which-n-n-N-N-N-N-N-N-N-is-h-h-Lam. Because it,

because it, Hukom Islam and Fiki that. Fikki, which is huking in Maruco better than

the law the way, the way, the time, the place, the world the world Indonesia,

to have the, has, so in this this, Islam be coming

melalue in the geracan that, which that did belong by Wali-Songue

can, D'u- Kethan-Gar- KATH, we Islam- Dunnian this melalue, what naman

Islam can Islam can Islam, while wayang. Yeah, can, the carer of Chalachau

d'uogu so, so, so, she's, people, people, people,

people, people, jacah, but, but if sub-and- sometimes, about,

time, sub-sub- , I, know, I'm-n- -d-l- -w-w-

-w-w-a- What? What? I want to-geng sunan. I want to solat. Yeah, sure, silh. Not gertin, what sort? Why, set-up wayang, he pamid, solat. Leru-lid, and then,

sonan, what, is? Solat, that, menhembaugh-in-uasa. God. So, that's what? There's a wayang, lacon calimusot, to.

Kalimu-Sahadat. He'll tell-la. That, that, that's, that's the power. Besson you go, I should I quit, Iqqat, Iqat, two, three, until, after Islam

menjebara. Now, that's kind of predekatan buddhae. So, again we don't be making a worda that, there,

there's not that there's not, there can, not be able, Al-Assman, well-A-Wal-A-Wa-Wai, and buddai that,

can be used to be used to beckar-carned and then, the country is based the need-bucked, so-tem-est-e-est-e-e-s. So,

so it's not not the world, and we're not, nesting, nesting, nomen.

That'ser in apopun, it's kind of nilai, and the end of education.

Yeah. Now, this is how, in the country that's the IQ-n't there's there's,

the quality tafsirn't that. Okay, so, if, if, if,

it's, there, in the people, the, there, too, agamah,

the politicians, to be given a person. If you're being in the kind, this, this,

it's just just, yeah, kind, I'm, the co-n- the law and because,

that's the effect that, we're, it's, we can't be democracy with bad, and

the economy, and the so-goy- if-an- -s-s- -s-s-l- -mas-a- -l-mas-

-re-n-s. That, We're not even though I, how it's how it's it's making it's

making a action and much like much to make the country that's the end up

the endgattal from generation to the generation to the generation where we're

making much if Indonesia might be much 708 yeah 728 yeah Singapore Korea

Southan 105 1060 Ashkenazi, Yehudi, 14. They're rata not creative,

not innovative, and yeah, just, this is, it's just, can't be fatalist too, can't be.

It's, it's not, it's not from God, not much, we're doing we're not much we're,

but, but I'm optimis, yeah, generation we're not our generation we, can be

much more much, the IQ-N- because, because, since-s- -U-Merd-N-Dak this can

be mobility social vertical that's dark yeah yeah

before we're back in I'm school school school SMP but

before school SMP I'm from people is there

can there there there there school umum that

school agama that's exclusive not be in not be able not be not there's

there's there People, the people islam it is, even the time of the penjazzhan Belanda be cashinged. But, but when it's

merdeka, there's a good people, people who, people who are people who are people who want to be in

the country, the minister, Wahit Asim, from A.N.U. and Bahadir Johan. That's the school in SMA is same with

Aliyah, I'm, iftidda, it's, same than SEDA NECI, so so that's schooling. That's the

to bejointed in the 20s. Town 60s when there's many sarjana mud, sirsia

work in 20, many sarjana hukum, doctor insin from the personterian. The personterian,

the people who are not being the time in the end up jettelon 1, Eselonah

so, so in 90s than in the kantor in the kentor per time, and seagin,

and sogation, and sogany Now, many now, universities Islam-Negri that not

only only only have other than other than U-U-N University Islam-N-N-Negri. Not only

just bele-le-Pik, BASA, but it's under doctorate, sociology, or what, mach-mach-mach-a-sit-t that.

It's already, what? The mobility social our, that, it's, big,

good. And, and this will be and mendongra to keep plan plan the end up

unthinkated IQ, in order I'm because the end up the end up sure and then the set-sarat

to make-an-a-kew since embryo-manusia that's now now now by the government to be

hinders-kind to bring stinti and, man-erang- k-miscanan can, at the

kind of can be giving kesehatan on the piranti ripiranti that we need to be people who are people. We've

already made up to exist as democracy. If we're we're making aced to theory or ajaran from Aristotle he can't makebang can there 3 to 6 type of the people of the main.

The three that's one, the first monarchy. Dikwasked, be controlled by one person. The second, aristocracy, by control by several people.

Three, polity, the control by many people. Now, democracy, this, polity,

right. And, what, how do you see, quality of democracy in Indonesia

and in the world? Okay. Maybe I try to talk about observation that's the

electorate we, 93% to the, the, the, the,

the, the, room and the 38% the pedicat not

up to so how much quality they can make them make a

issue or people that to be non-democratization to the front. Okay.

This discussion is a little bit yeah. This is this. Theory

about the form of the government that or the form of the government that the government that's that's

that's that's it's going to continue there's there's the endings but it's

not being six can't monarchy one person one who aristocracy only only people

but and before before politic there before politic it was there's oligarchy

oligarchy plutocracy yeah oligarchy and political and democracy then democracy and democracy

and there's no mary again that's bento now in order aristotels yeah democracy

that's not not by aristotle that's that good aristocratsy digabung with democracy

because democracy is perassarat if you if you're people who people right right

not right not that's still bodok, why, Pucket, democrys, that's what that's actually the world

in the world that's, that's all that's said, I'm going to why. This, this,

this, this, why I'm, why I'm not, I'm not the democracy, Catea,

without diggugugughey with aristocracy or polity, political, to, what,

it's, it's, it's, you're, constitution, why I don't, I don't not agree democracy only because

in democracy it only can be margoc demagoc is a politicus politicus who pintar-numong but

actually she didn't know what what you're doing do caretackan I was just before with a friend if people

if political now that because demagog wrong if I'm if I'm if I'm if I'm

there's school, bebas, not use pay. I've been not able to make sure.

That's the name of demagok. He's not gittonged too. Numbong. If you're

not much like, Jullo, Jolla Rada Baru, there are people who, if I'm

there's a time, I'm going, the people, if there, there's, there,

there's not there, there's a thing, there, no, the, not the

sungion that, that's, it's, it's, and it's many, and it's

many Indonesia. Now, because democracy so much so you're going to be

arisocrat. Aristocrat is elite elite politic class menhengal like, like we like we're

like we're that you have to the situation where the level the level people

people, the kind of the economy of the pedatone the patuiono the president

we're when the group before during the thing what name

democracy it by the result of penitian in different in different in different in different democracy.

Democracy is never ever ever before the end up capital in capital minimum

$5,000 $500 US dollar if it not can there democracy. People

must be sell the swarar people people have been democracy must be

money soar soar so far and they're intimidation now

per day per day the the endapitant per capita that's about $470.7. $4,700. $4,700, right?

So, so, if you're going to be able to $5,500, what? In fact, $1,000, is not? Oh, before. Yeah.

Before that, it was to be 5,500. Now, muddha, muddha. Yeah. Now, if it's that, then, democracy we can be

good. I'm going to, I'm going to, yeah, pandan democracy is the day day of

this is the day there are making, the country be able to make because

democracy not just not just just a batisubusian decuasion but but he has

to manifest in redistribusian public goods and including the seahteran Yes.

Cesehatan, intellect, Nile moral, Nile social, whatever, but this is many, the country

that's claimed as a democracy, not can't redistribus and this impelis. If we can see, Gini Co-efficient

ratio, in the country maju, in the country bebeang, in the country miskin, the more

encuat to the tension, and it's level. Cesehatan, not redistribusied. Even in the country

like America and English, quality health care or or the planan of CASEATAN. Not as good in Singapore. Now, I've had a year this,

argumentation that's like Singapore, that patut be pertimbang as a democracy. Because he has been doing room,

more to opposition, to make room to media. But they're they're more abysribus

public goods intellect and health, health, social, people are not semarang

in, buang somebawak in the moralitas there, too. And, the pre-hatinan to the

social justice and the general justice and so it's, if I'm more than resetties, democracy.

Rescissue democracy. Now, this, back again to the time time I'm saying

I mean I think that's about 8,8% of from all of the homeatangue in Indonesia, that's not have been making the education S-1 to the top. 93% from electorate. I see justro there's there's a plurption with quality of guru.

Because when a person anna, out of the room, one-sathinger to be able to, to, to get-cognition, that is a guru. Because the people-tweigh-n't-A-1. Yeah.

Yeah, right. I mean, there's a way to make upuracy or democratization with peningatting quality guru in school. And I'm looking,

this Indonesia has been exist as a democracy is quite but we're still not redistribus public goods. How about that?

Yeah. Yeah, it's confirmation actually the theory lamani. Tari lamani that I'm

I've gotakar Aristotle, when we're talking about in democracy it, many come up, demagog, if the people who are

people who want to democratized it's still under, and they don't know what, they don't know, they don't know,

because of that, well, because, then, then, then, it's because because,

because, because, because, and, there, and, there, and,

And the the bigiaghan Endinging for the stature of guru, and pergurant thing,

and the other than the constitution minimum 20% from APBN has used for the education,

right. So, the to answer that to be that the the

education this better better than the kind of the kind of more

more, the number, but the number that, but there are because, because,

because of the major just. Because because the government bad, but it's not, not be able to be better better

better than bad, but more than bad, but also, like, the whole, we have a country, and we can

continue to continue. Now, one thing that men are putting, democracy it will be being

liar if if not the kind of being bad. So, I mean, I was going to there's a

doggyum that's which I'm again. We're going to be this. Yeah, we're in the

government but democracy. But democracy and democracy, and then anarchist. That's theory

aristotel again. Democracy, if you're beingar-k can't, can't, can't,

if you're tyranny. Tyrannu Dirani, the tyrannu the war- murkikikikki- can get,

the cyclis, the course, the theory, Yunnanicuno, that. Now, so, democracy, without

the law, is liar and anarchist, but the law if not did build on democratic, it's so on-un-un-un-an. Yeah,

right? This, we allame all, the time, the start all-a-wale- with democracy,

so many, people, many, many, this, many, this, so, so,

so, so, the, so, the, order- The new part of the time we're back to the country

to thegak, can't, constitution, kind of, that's, now, this, then, constitution is, by the power of

the power by the power by the power by the power of the power of the democracy. It's been unangue

and then. If you democracy there's too too, the country not stable, the people,

not maju-majue, ma'u'am and you're backus, we've got to beattac we're, we've been building,

and the Hucum, the kendalik. Lull, then you can't come to form of the

form of repressive. Now, the task to, this, this, this, this is

un-imbanked. Hucum if, if in the language, the abasasas the un-dak-a-

law-n-n- democracy. Democracy-c-c-d-d-lata- and the people, nomocrats, democracy, and democracy, it's, more than democracy, it will be able to

be iraqis, the hum can matriety. But if, if the lawmuffs, the rightatting, that's repressive. That, that's easy to contokan.

This is... Parlivenu, yeah? Parliamu, you know, James Robinson, who's two hours of Nobel, with Darren Asimovlu.

He, That's, he's, the narrow corridor. Mm-hmm. Corridor that's... And he, too, and he, too, ...and there's a few

scenario. Mm-hmm. ...that, if the atas, it's too quite than the one of the the other, the community-louas.

Mm-hmm. It's tendency despotic. Yeah. This, he, gambarked with, what, yeah, metaphor leviathan,

or naga. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one that's too the top is too in the bottom it's

this ispotic If it's depotic. If the bottom it's too

yeah too too yeah that's not too water leviatan so it not to

not to where but he might make important if it's shackle

terbel two-due two-dway two-in- two-in-bbing but the kunccuncini that is

that is that is the can't That's the penaghan who can. Peneguang can, the one is the same and the above to make actualization

any of what, the value, the way, the way social, the way spiritual, the way technology, whatever. It's a imbalance,

yeah, the law. How about, sir. I agree. So, so. Pembangunan

the law for the longung to the two of the country that's the theory, that's true, can't, if you're in people,

the law, the law, don't, bang. One, legal substance, that's, the, aturances,

like what? The law law is, what? The three, legal culture. Now, in Indonesia,

it's actually, if you're being, yeah, I'm, I'm going, the theory of what,

the theory of, what, the theory of the law, the theory of, the law, in the lawcum we have, but legal structure

the law-as. In the place we're the peneguacan hook. And peneguacum not only policy but also bureaucracy. Sehary-hary, it's a pernaguer atuhran,

pedagueran, in-law-uncturant, if you're not-of-cuhcum, policy-penegat-hook, he, the, if there are percara. But, the day-h-h-hru-cum must be-gallat.

It's a pyrotra-a-cura-s. Now, this is bad, penaggaken the law, the law law, law, law,

the law, the United States is going to be a problem big up. I'm going to sell, buy the hook

by the people, the people, this is in the same, and it's people, not have

a, not have been money, that's people, it's always, they're in the

bureaucracy, which, which, not the government, but, but, it's,

but, it, Yeah, right? It's all until now, it's like, people are

going to how much, yeah, we want to the country to make sure to make sure them to make

economic if let me end if you, let's say what, yeah, usah, partamangang,

usah what, that, it has newap. Or, the job the government

make the business and then then give us the Yeah, I'm going to know about this.

When I was going to be able to pill press. Cawapres, that's, that the people, to come to say, I'm going to be sure. Why? We're going to do not, in Indonesia,

Minta I mean to do you know-sha, to make $4,000 not out. Mudal our money, to murat-marit. Dimintai Uang. If we're paying, then we're telling youwag. If we're not paying,

we don't give an issue. So we're, we're trying to do. This is what happened in Indonesia now this. And, yeah, we're trying to, President, muponged the rightan new, this is to be dislesiqan

this. So, so, the question of this. So, there's, there's, not there, pa, in the place of it. There's, no, pa, I've been napeasurer from Singapore with a person, I said,

I'm going to investation the government of the fact of the fact that you don't have under the money to make

money, the way of the money, from the company, come back, you know, you know, you're doing

backer the money, and you can not have no, I'm, how I'm so this

money, but it's give in the law, but the back in the back to, but there,

can't be there, because I'm, because I'm not put in- undak, not, not-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-pat-a-taped.

This is quite impious, if I'm, if I'm if I've written, 30-tawner pre-economian or economy of the economy, that's a numbering up 10-lapen, the end-pennapent. And Asia-Tengara,

just 2.7-taly. This is because of four attributes. First, investations in the Hong Kong, which is a lot more bigger. The two, investations in infrastructure. or more much more than in Asia

Tengara. Three, governance. Titic-temuantara between power with talent. In there, it's more optimal.

Penselectsian talental, it's more based on meritocracy. Not based on loyalty and or patronization. In RR.C.

Yeah. The RR.C. Yeah. Dio-sahing, to, inuk, the number of idyllis that is the amount.

Tijuana, the time, 10 per-1-1-1-1-Dawass. people are people. Oh, that's. Asia, Tengara, just one. But if we're cupas, more than,

Philippines and Indonesia, the I mean usahans that's not 3. 0.3. Per 1,000 people per 1,000 people. Now, I'm looking, this is to-sikapy to the

if we're going more be able to be better, if we're more more, and I'm and I'm that, I'm

if it's-pac-up we, if we can be-c-a-a-pick- to make up the world and activity economic Yeah.

Good, it's from the people people in the world in the law of

it's not making that this problem the problem. Right, World Bank also says a

bank also asset a bank that the which, the asset that is tangible,

can be hitong, in Rabat and There are asset intangible. The intangible is 223. The intangible

74. 44 from 77 is penegucus. Asset sub-negare. How do you want to make

themate a country? If you koukut, it's also men'ttooking 44%

from the resigning. SEMERDA Alam and macem, that

But if the law you're you're not, it's going to to be much, it's going to to be much. We can't look portrait in Asia Tengara, so it's the penaneming which isa

Asia Tengara every time, to $200 million. $200 million. From $200 million dollars, who, who, who,

population, population, population, $6,000. That's in Indonesia, 25-1-31-1, per-tourn. With population, $280,000. Yep.

Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, masing, masing, 10 to 20,000. People are not because there's batu barra or because ideology because, because location

that's strategist, because perception on the of the so if they're in Singapore to they're sure,

more, even more even, even, in Indonesia, Filipina, Malaysia, and in anywhere. Now, that, if, if we're, we're saying, we're so, can't be incapable of the economy.

Yeah. And, I've seen, if we're, yeah, with the cranker that, that we're in-tanker, if we're in time, that we're trying, three percent, yeah. Three percent from economy,

1.4 trillion, it's only 40 million dollars. That's, yeah? Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.4 trillion, it's more than $40 million. So,

just to find just the penanemal from $31 million to pay to $71 million that's even $1,000,

that's $1,000 to $140. So, that's pretty, to make sure to make sure per cent.

But, not as gampangang it too. Birocration is lelet. There, there,

there, there, there, this, this, this, this, this, this,

this, this, Right, right. Right. Right. It's right. It's not, it's a question.

Yeah, right? What, it's the president. It's, it's just, this, this, here,

it's, that's, there's there, there's things, like this, like this,

right, so, point I'm saying, this is, not a mustahillan. Yeah, can. Many people are people think, wow, this not

can't make sure this is a lotematis, because, I think it's very because the money there's in the world. It's just around. If you're justicruh

justic-groom, if you're going to-Mustahil, only people dung. It's stiller-Germo. But we're too too far, like, saying,

the people. Now, there also scholar from Singapore, namen-Y-N-U-N-U-N-U-N. He has been some book also. The last

he's he called the Gilded Age of China. So, the georgiaan China, it's not

better than what what the American States in and I'm ma'am system corruption or

the pola corruption in America in the the end of the last the end of what it's the time.

And he's corruption, there is a the pola corruption that is called, the name's speed money. So, the people are to facilitate concessy,

but it's, but there's theft, there also, grand theft. Now, he, mottabulation some of the country that

can't with theft or grand theft, and with speed money. Now, the commasuan economy in in a couple

in the other corruption, if there is more related with theft or grand theft. Sorry, with speed money. So, if

people or investor is just who's money, they're okay okay just as, so, they're okay, so, they're kawal,

so, until the penelisain project. But, there's also that's been it's not but not

it's it's like the same and what like to the other yeah yeah yeah

this yeah this yeah this UN UN UN Eng he's professor at Johns Hopkins yeah yeah

and in Indonesia we yeah we're we're we're we're seeing undergela

like people people who invest people say payer okay

now yeah but before before so before so before

so I'm it's like again But this, there's not there's no, there's no other that's the right,

that's from the termination in the back, I'm, now, I'm,

I'm, what, what, what, who's, what, that's, the,

that's, in position positivistic, instrumentalistic. This, this, backalah, back,

back, 2009, I'm, 2009, I noticed about it. Huckom, to,

Now, I've got to the time of the time of the time in order of the new year, why we're doing reformation?

We're doing reformation because in the time in order the new is the human being function,

posivistic, postivistic, instrumentalistic that, and it's making the people, if

didn't be made, doact can the the time reformation at the time 2009

this, this, there, there, so, not the not the people,

but the people, but the the people the Mahmachan Constitution, all the

that's all until 2009, it and it's that's going to like corrupts that, and many,

and much, so, soing that the law, the fact of the government,

and it's the people, and that's saying this, has to do not the

this is this is the end after the end up bad for the president make sure

even before even before not sure the what the and then it's not the way,

or it's the protest massacacat not used to be there. It's

like like this. Corruption. Corruption. This is we're we're able to like that

it's like it. It's can't We can't, don't, the penance corruption. What name is, what's the president

still one gagasan mental, and president, I see, President, he's not, not, not, sungue,

I'm sure, because he's being, so, I think, he will, be sure, he can, usul,

agar corruptor do you know, dischar, and, down, down, the money, the country,

how? Where, where is, in the world, this corruption, sure come back

dim-dial. Who's who can't be able to give-same? He's in-mally- how-in-law- see. Charrant-neux-en-

back-and-shi- if you're doing. Can we're good? Corruptcy, you know, well, that's,

that's the law, the reason, there's a arapasan asset, that, asset-negara

be back, the, the, the, the, Le, pengadilance, too,

can beamedically asset. If you're down to be hucked up, the money of the same thing, but the problem.

But, the problem, there are people who, it's been right, that's right. So, the asset what?

The reason is the result that's all right is a passal that not relevant. And, there, there, there

there that there's, there, there, there, there, the undang kastana, where the indiaeatine

it's putecan melalue process denda dendah laloo badamai it's there in the lawcum

there but it not in the lawcum corruption it's in in the lawmic that in

the down economic there under undang law under peregation undang of pabbing and

undang biaect it's just that one of the end of Bidana economy, it can't use dendah, if you're in the way, if you're inundup, the bia-cukai, so, you're going to pay youkoyne,

$12 million. Why, you just pay $7 million? Now, the $7. This is not going to be didana. This is just, it's just, not, up to bea-cum-crups it. Hukes, it's not, about,

compensation. Compensation. Yeah. You, yeah. You know, $7 million, $7 million, from 14 million.

The 7, this is it. If you're in 5xal 5xed. If you're able to do you can't do you do not in the conduct

corruption, in the time the end up the law undang of usus. Now, now, now, it's going to

do not over under under the un-undang-kexan. There, not, but hussusus for it.

Oh, but, but for Pidana Economy. Why, now, now, now,

now, I'm going to to the piddana corruption. Now, I'm in order to do. No, no use to have beenjara. Yeah, can beabaskan just people. Yeah, can, sure damay.

Padhaal, what is the sumla corruptor in Indonesia? If there, there's other the alasance, too, the DPR. Wow, that, that, president.

That, positivistic, insumatic. Mencari, car elisan hushin to, to, make sure. That, that, president. Now, this, prosypensara our capacity. So, really, it's debasksks,

and ambiluang-loang-not-said. I said, people are, I'm saying, not, data, people who are people who, until in the middle-2-23, I'm still in Minkopalhuka. That, penguins-injara

to be so many, 263,000 people, people, people-in-pennarer in Indonesia. It's, even, it's over-capacity, already, d'baw, and, so-gand-sableness. But 50%

than 260,000 people are narcoba, corban narcoba. 50%. Then, the 48% more,

it's other, the jihadan, penjury, penurion, pambuance, which, which is, not until

1,000%. Cuma. 1,300 people, from 2, 260,000. Why, this is to bebeaskskan with the alasan penjura pen.

Justrook, if I'm backuncant penjura for corruptor which is more than the penjara for maling-mang-al-a-am, bombun-and, peggalan,

that. Now, that, I'm getting haughtier. There is a for penagakan of the law in Indonesia,

is like, the country, like, Singapore, yeah, can, minimum to to make up

perception that the penaggan the penaggan in the law

in the yeah there's there's there there there is there

let up on the janggy constitution that this democracy democracy

it's always to give a point to for the person to

circulation to make the kind of there but there but

the situation Now, now, maybe maybe it's probably there.

Can, massaract is more longer than people who may be un-asas and there

is a lot of people, and menuntut to be able process process that is a democratic,

it will be a process penaring cashing and and that but I

think I, that's the important that is leadership, which the the leadership

to to makepercepat it all. Agar harapan that not will not over

the way there. Can democracy? If the heart about abys,

yeah, can, liar, he. Mere Rulner, democracy that's never to try

the way, people who have been the product pedigation that's not a business.

It's not. So, School of Ska, Biasa just. To the Getsk, if, if we're if we have

to look to look at system our system our own product product Ponditken and

kogniziness can be partang-jolk.-waping.-dice, and, and, it's not-a-capacit-a-cuit-er-cuit-er. Yeah, pasty. ...cestraan that's suor-sucur can be distribusically as far as

how, ma'am. I'm not, I'm not. I'm not theory, theory about it that's more in the quash

people who end up it. This is how curriculum how much, model the model

the same how much, it's always always be- thinker- and always be made in the

government that but I'm going to aspect the of the fact of the unlawful people are

important and be called by peneguacan human because a person and the government and the country

that's about 20 percent that that's that's big for the and for the people

and the people are the people people who should be people who there's there who

there's been there in Bappenas there some let us let us lookan Like that. Because many

Macymachem There, there are that there can't we're going to work pediguan

people, there's some of the result, nationalists not much there's that's a

product of our not bampu bershain because lemah in the bidang in the

problem because economy we we're not, economy we're left because

they're just Miscan, miskin, gurus yeah, not professional. Now, this we're not-tata-smua. But if, if you're in a good- I'm not- How much more? I'm more than-curekullum?

I'm more sure to be able to be sure. I'm more than-cureculem. Because, kind of, curiculum, it, not, also, not-dipake, that's the problem my own. If I was a guru that innovative, especially if

if I'm going about what I'm talking about, the world of our country and moralities we're lemma now,

now, now, per-gueseran that. When I was school, during, now I

heard that in where that the, the, the, the police, police, it's

when he was the young, the, the, the, yeah, Wow, that's how,

gurus'nialed, deprecaritan, peniariation, unan, unan, perlindulcan anna. And it's many times

in Indonesia. Guru is, do bully by the murid, dilawan, that. Jaman, I don't,

if I'm not, if I'm back, the school, the school, and I'm, people, I'm talking,

I'm, I'm talking to, people, if I'm, if I'm raised people, and then, I'm sorry,

to bring up, there, I'm sorry, you can, So, so. So, the guru, with the

work-tah to bekerjas same, to make sure another. Now, the moral that's wrong

that's wrong, the law, undang, perlendunct, un-undang- un-and-a- upon, what,

we're, we're, we're getting-a-n-a- d'i-a-l- people, and the, and the, and,

not-Mut-N-N-N-P-Pul-Rus. Sorry, I'm-nugnugn-s, but, he, is-bullet selectssslexi-gur-s, from top 20% from institutions perguron

or institution of education for intinginging. To gawr, Korea's Latin, top 5%. So, the way the if there's a

a one who'su-dawan that's a few people at someupper at Google or at

Citibank or at McKinsey or Sourouu in Seoul National University, the many of I'm going to teach at the Universities of Seoul National University.

One, compensation is, the beda, different, tipis, the two, status social. That's very I'm not going to see that in Indonesia,

or not? In the people, in the other people, because of the because of the not,

Same with, the time I was in Gurawana, when I'm going to curawand, I'm going to call in faculties to doctorate or or Mastakabri, right?

That's, people who are people people who are kind of, who's people, people who are because not the faculties of law.

But I'm also. But I'm going to get to be a person, not many people want to docent, people

who's would be to be Jakarta, if you're from Jakarta, I'd like to Jakarta, to get the work in Jakarta.

At the same there, more menjanking in the way, if you're like to be lawy who's like this,

what's the client-kieln't the, the people, the people, the business, and so-laggain that, not

want to be a dozen that, someagian from them there, that, it, and,

it's, it's, if you, not, to take it's in place other. So,

not the people who maylay to bele and deselects to get to, yeah,

people who people who have been people who need to get, that's that,

the other who may marr to that, that's that's that's not,

not, d'n't get to get to go, to, and it, and that,

like, that, maybe, that's, that's, soing of the MOTU our

it, that, yeah, not, not to be minimuming to make sure a student. And that's

also, guru, can also be good, people, usually, not because because I'm,

when I'm going to be a good, when I'm that, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going to keep, when what to

yeah. Because what? Because, this, because he pint, because he's, because he's,

I'm going to, I'm going, Right, right, and then, right, much, like that. Now, actually, if it's even more than, like in Singapore, in Korea-Selatant,

that's, that's it, that's, it's been giving good. This is, this is, it's quite, with the

importance of our if we're if we're getting great, this, this is in

that, I, People who not too not too not too know but he is a go

about he's able conversing murid who can't be than people who are not but can't

be able to talk about. And the penidikin to my kind of how can make buhackan

imagination. Not formulation just. Yeah, imaginesation yeah. And that the other

people to be important to them more more than I'm not know how I can't

Raba, this all can come to peneguangan Hukum. If quality quality of education,

if quality good quality guru that's not disikapy, yeah, will be important

we're in the way to the shaked levayat so. So, naga

that belgue to be there's an power and the civil society.

If not, can be despotic to water. That, yeah, that,

it's, the thing technis operational in the Because in constitution, it's just that.

Pendidication is important so. Even one of the country is, while the policy about the organization that we live on it to the middle

and the same of it, is a person and rediskan to redacted by the and it's constitution the undang of it the law. If, if,

if, if, if, if, parabaw, can't be able to, but, not pay, not use to be If you're

not use pay. Pergura not use pay. We're did get guru, gaii, agar be able to

bekerja with good. That's kind of at the statement. How much now it

is done do you jadeyakal in the land and agaran on the government

and then they're back back. That's that, yeah, to the the front of

this. This is the last maybe, this, this this is related to tatan

dunia that's more multipolar Yeah the birth of our own quite great,

yeah, is quite great, as democracy the big number three, population the number

four, economy the economy the number 11. I'm looking, tatan

dunia is more multipolar. So, more difficult to make multilateralization.

Yeah, Or not, we don't know, we're more we can't be lateralization with the country or nother

or a lot of nother job. This is a good good to docket with the international. This is just

too, can't, panang of how you know, what I mean? What I mean? What's the case? The situation

between the country should be being, there's been there's been there's been predabaten

on territorial integrity, the, batas, the country and and everything. And if even if it's

just, you have been articulation with just, that's, what? That's, what,

back, the decision, the basis of the law. Yeah, if it's, if it's, it's just

just, but tarol, if I'm giving a example, extreme, that, the

Latina Salat, which, that's, there, there, we have, the,

ha, ha, ha, the, This is to the doleotan, and there's hapard, territory that's

the land. Now, I'm into making it, and I'massou by other other, that's,

sometimes, it's not, not know, too. Because we've technology technology, technology

persenjataan technology, technology, and so, in the Southan, it, how much

try, exploration the world, and, It's been a lot of the place in the territory we're doing. And we're

yeah, damn because this this is a new law, while this should be in fact we're in the right,

we're haq international, but still just. And much much, there, there's a story to me

when I was to be the, Mentry Partanan when the time, that,

that, Malaysia, in Antikong there, there, the people of the one 71, this

people are this people who are this is a because he people who are Indonesia. But in the people who

people who are they've been because of because of the country that has been to be there soingat

we're getting the kind of area because we're not able to make this,

Malaysia make it Malaysia make it. Ambalahat the Padan the Padan Digitan

that can is one one. Yeah, then in the time that's time there's

there's name committee, so it's committee together, to make put up,

patow, patow, and what, what's, what I'm that, what I'm making sure,

if, the, the, the, the, the, the, apparatus,

it's, but, the, technology, the, , this bigger

that. If that that's what's the point of my time. Even I'm even though

there's there's a need to make more more than people who national. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is issues like that. So, that they can be

un-uarrackan in the hangangue international, so they can be able and they're not.

And, we're doing about this, so, so, so, so,

when we talk to BBB, it's synchron with panellation, not we're talking about we're talking about when we're talking about when we're talking about again.

Because a al-in-na, who bring up to who compransive. That's important, well, a al-hulcominternational and a-luburned international also.

We've got talked about, we've got. Yeah, from 13 May, 19, 75, Sampang? Sampang?

Samping. Samping. Chapter Berkutne of Pama. No, no. I, there. I have, I,

I have, a book, written by time, with my talker-wachar with me, the title

the title of the, so I'm going to be the chapter perikot about, but I'm

because I never in, such a, such-s- and, to be-c- -s-c-c-c-

-to-m- what, want to go to where and go and it. Like, I've got

got a total about I'm going to get a lot of but I'm going to be going to be a minister

that, that's, I'm I'm going to people, I'm doing, too, Tuhan.

Yeah, can bring. Can be being, who can think, Mahfut MD

is, can be being MENTry, most much, not too,

not but, there, Dahlil Shaiahah, A. Abba. If God

when God Dachemned Giscush Because of it Dixotan That's why Gouddou Degh Dhabi Dhabi Whenal,

I'm gonna make That's it So, Because I'm Because I'm Rangangh And that, Nalir,

So, yeah, Nalir, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, Yeah, I'm If I'm, If I'm,

I'm, I'm back seven, some time 68, I came back to that standard cita,

I'm doing, this is all being so much 25 years to be able to come back here,

now now now, now, again again again to again, as soon. As a

standard cita resim can, it's being the design,

so, we're doing the good. Amin. Thank you thank you much.

Thank you, thank you. Thank you. That's good. That's a man, And that's my friend, that's Professor Macfoot MD. Thank you.

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