Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Milenial Butuh Konten Substansial| Endgame ft. Dian Sastrowardoyo (Part 3)

Episode Date: October 11, 2020

Indonesia pernah menjadi rute akademi di zaman Sriwijaya (abad ke-7) serta lokus proyeksi soft dan hard power di zaman Majapahit (abad ke-14). Di abad-21, sudah saatnya bagi Indonesia untuk mempunyai narasi subtil yang memadukan penguatan substansi pada akar budaya dan strategi kemasan yang mengglobal. Sehingga, kejayaan masa lampau bisa dihidupkan kembali oleh generasi saat ini melalui konten-konten yang substansial dan mendidik. Dian berharap, Indonesia 2045 bisa menjadi negara yang kuat dalam memproyeksikan soft power seperti Korea Selatan.

In generation of my generation of people who think of the people who are more than people is more than people who are more than people. This is end game. GENERALEN, I'm going to ask you, BAPA, time we're in our time we used to FRI. Abis it, that the only international news that we can consume. Because before there's about about 7th,

from the news local, now. Now we're operating, the weather, not-later-lata not that's about, but all of those domestic, with all those messed up things, like, just, from that,

if we're, if we can consume the data more global, even more, we can be more more than we're more perhaps, like,

it's going to be able to what, But this, because of the time TVERI, it's just one pipa, since we've got to be democratization pipa. From 1 to 5, to 500, now there are 5,000 pipa. We just we just to makeg smartphone just. We'll see CNN, Fox News, like, Metro, TV One, like, whatever.

BASA, ma'am. Exactly. So, it's, if I think that, The systemic is a kind of communication, yeah, can't beaughan. But I'm not looking this will be longung, because democratization of pipanization,

this has far more democratic than before the other than before. So, optionality for us or anyone or anyone, anyone, it's just more than than before the other than the other than. So, it's the best thing we're not, not perlough, only to beacus to be able to be.

even we can't even more like more than what we can't even what we so choose to. Yeah. Now that, well, if there's people that there, it's kind of kind of kind of kind of, but I think it's episodic.

I think it's episodic. This, if this, this, this, will be a long-term trend to the secular, that's more good. It's more than we'll just. I'm going to do. So what would it take, according to you, for the Indonesian masses,

to bangit, to want to learn with a language international, so they can get if they're looking pipa in. That's game-changing, don't you think? I know. Just like there's one incentive not, that's like they're also

to be motivasizing them. They're, right? How can, man, I'm trying... I'm learning... I'm learning... ...to...to make behavior manusia, to have the incentive... Because it shapes behavior.

If there's... If it's what's in it for me, they're not going to be able to... ...and they're not going to make sure of their ways. We mean, we're going to make behavior, he wants to be able to beaithing, and genuinely, with content content that's...

...that's... ...that's... what's in it for them, we have to make, that premise that. That if you more get-to-date with the news global, the incentive is that you're more able to be able to make to make something more significantly impactful, internationally. Fair.

But, how, how, you know, how many of the community our community that's that that's that's going forward hoax? There's no incentive, right? Because of them all of that. And if I'm in my opinion, it's the platform, to manipulate

psychology of humanity. Yeah, right? And I'm not going to get negative or positive reinforcements that's, but I don't know how the psychology, manusia, is, that's being addicted to look at home their 6, 7, 8 hours a day,

rata rata, in Indonesia, 6-jamb, and most of that is garbage. Yeah, right? It's used to look at garbage. And, not know how we're taking the data that's not been verifications, that's just forward to 100 people. There's no positive reinforcement,

so, no, no incentive. No, so they're, so they're like... how ill-informed they are. So that's got-tau-bishop-noticed about the news, that's getting up to get something in the before the matter, oh, and it's catchy and it's very interesting,

boom, boom, boom. Just to make a justification that I'm somebody who is well-informed, like, that. I mean, human behavior is that, I'm sure, I'm sure, Because they're trying to compensate the very fact that they're not ever bacheled about, and not aware about what, so that's going to getcha, like, so that.

But it goes back to your earlier point. If we want to make up to the perilacue or our sifat our has had incentives, I don't know, I tend to disagree a little bit. Yeah, can? Maybe the power of the pipa's how much of the how we can't we can't do things that we've seen with how fast people who can forward hoax.

...tantive, whatever. Apocas incentive just self-gratification just, oh, I'm cool. I know a lot more than people that I know. Is that enough? I don't know. If that's the baseline, it makes it actually easier to fix. I believe there, there is there, there. There's, there's there.

Why, that's very much that's forward forward, forward to, that's, it's, and nene, nennie, who can't be able to sleep, because it's, already, I've got to have a group of one of the other, Una, Familia Grande, and there's one nai, and there's one that's just to be just around,

and she's just around, always, got forward-out-out-out-hooks here, about what's about what about what? And he's just about what's going to be time he's not just to be able to, when the only friend that she got is the gadget. And then, then, the same thing

from the real world, the real people, the real connection, that is her only life line. Okay, let me push this. What if, if, if, if, if he can't be if it take, for her smartphone,

she's bachabu. What would it take to change that behavior? Budaia bachabucu in Indonesia, kind of kind of, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, how we, yeah, if we're going to be, what, like, or not want, or not,

we don't, to, or not, just, bach, yeah, not, don't buy online online, online, that's just. Like it's like that's like... So, I mean, I'm gonna boboin'i-in'i, I mean, I'ma-a-a-a-a-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-a-ttttud.

I think-a-drama. Easy-fix, you would feel good anyway, that. So, now, maybe, now, maybe, yeah, yeah, and that, also, it's just to give-tons-an, that easy-fixers, that, intin-nit-nit-nit-nit-you-w wanna feel good about yourself, you want to go to sleep early, you watch this. This is the show for,

But that show is made with nutrition and gizzi and actual facts and things that actually educate them. They know more about before they watch it. So, she's just more knowledgeable. Maybe not OMA and Opa just, but OM and Tanta, many who are forward hoax. Yeah, right? Generation of my, you know, You also, many that's that's very much more than

forward forward. They're that they're who are disposable time. So, that's the idleness of their. They're who's still-sibook, who wouldn't have the time to actually answer somebody's WhatsApp, I'm trying to see my phone my phone's day. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

I try to touch documents or books more than my phone. Kindle? Kindle? I'm not, I can't even be kind of a I'm going to make up. Kind of, you know, connect it's more more than kind of, I've tried Kindle a few times. Eh, you're, you're,

you're, and then, this, this is a little in the pediguan, and this, I'm like, guru, go-gill, I'm success. And, how, to make, for Indonesia to the from the sehatan, from from the care of the

community, from the more concrete it's more than 2005 Indonesia will be great kind of the basic question is, would you rather just be a

cheerleader or a participant in narrative in this, to be the person executing the thesis, or you want to just be the cheerleader? leader on the sidelines.

I think more cheerleader, that's like to be a cheerleader. If I'm still have a to take part, take more part in it, because I know, as I'd be a time where I would be a time where I'll give space more for other

for the other than I'm under my umor-e-at-a-old-uroping. But, discussion is still to be still to be-jali, if I'm pretty putus. If I'm if I'm a hope

optimistic about industry film in Indonesia. After back, that in 1990-an, Hong Kong was the next best thing from Hollywood. It was then Bollywood,

then, Bollywood, you know. Now, days, it's South Korea. After Parasite won the Oscars last year, people Korean like the right now the self-identity about being South Korean is, how proud they are, that they're about they're good filmmakers, cool films is being produced in Korea.

Now, Hollywood filmmakers, Hollywood directors, like Scors like there, like they have a list of Korean must-watch films for aspiring directors, like, imagine that one day, those lists of the Indonesian must-watch films for Hollywood aspiring directors, so imagine Jokpo Anwar and his generation to bea-bawah, and...

Yourself? I mean, and the Moe brothers and everybody else, they're making one standard about quality of film Indonesia is what? They've given a new definition about what, I'm actually what's what is a new voice, a new spirit, a new style, but not just style over substance, it should not only about style. We should really have a pure voice.

What is it the message that we're like to try to say? Substance is it, what? Sometimes we compete with style, we compete with technology, but we're missing that substance, you know, substance is also something very strong. So, that's about the same thingo about the same thing about.

And it's relatable. Yeah. It's relatable in all the country, simple, but meaningful very universal. Now, we're, we're, many, again, in Indonesia,

there's crisis gender, there, there crisis, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's,

there's, just, can't, we can't, it's, not just Indonesian a bit. Inns it's like I'm not. I'm going to be like that.

I'm sorry, I think part in belajure, sir. That's why this PSBB, I'm taking the time this, to be an class online. I'm educating myself

into becoming a script, script writer, and eventually, I'm going to belajure too directing. So, producing, writing and directing

is one role that will always I'm going to go to topi, and in order to collaborate with the filmmaker who are you, to help me, so I can help you, like that,

so that's part in the process. This is really, this also can inspire other than I'm more more than I'm a mom of two, I'm nearly 40, but that doesn't stop me from school, learn, even online, you know.

Talk about that. You're taking a class, right? from America. Yeah, and I see, I think every day rabo, jam 7 paged. They're at 5 o'clock. How about how much class?

A 1.m. A 1.5. But there's a 1st1 assignment. And, this, pandemic is a blessing in discussion. It's a blessing in discussion. Like, Ivy League's, making online programs, everything.

To Corsera just, many, can, And then, and when I was like, my dad's the probleming in the money, because I have financed myself living in there, blot ticket to the visa to be, even getting jima test. Now, they're still online,

so, there's no reason to not apply and not enroll, like, you can from here in your own living room, that's the most time difference. If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, you're in charge of making film, What about the top of my head,

about the gender, about the gender, about the inequality, on the environment, about the health, or action just? Which one would you pick? I would definitely pick gender.

Okay. And, and, um, And I'm going to revisit the topic again and rediscus it again in sequels, maybe. Inequality. That's a little, inequality. Aga scary. Cuma, there's, there, this, I'm, I'm interested in pediguan. Like film like Lasker Pelangie, like film that's inspiring people to actually go ahead to

to bea-sciuswa, like a person Andrea Hirata, if it's possible for Frickin Andrea Hirata, the other than Bangka, it's possible for me, like that. So how do you see yourself in the next five years? Making, what, two movies a year? I'm educating myself to be a director. Maybe one movie a year,

but who really, like, heart and soul. I want to learn to be director. I'm going to go, I'm going to go. I'm going to go, my friend. So, so, so I'm going to be with and I'm going to learn with direct. So, not always, I'm not about me. It's not about only popularity or fame.

Although I still still get ordered to be a player, but I'm saying, but I'm not abyss, like. Banyl, but I'm going to be able to be. But I think there voice voice that's out and reflected and being communicated through my work. Wow. Okay. If we look at the back of the history of Indonesia for 2,000 years,

which moment would you pick for the importance of our making the future of the next? To be it's the latar-belakang film, that, sir, sir, ma'am. What's ganying it, can we look, We have we have we have Mashaean, majaheim,

yeah, right? And then, we're going to be able to lyrrhic to be back to make future more great. I mean, don't you think it's kind of cool to repeat the wisdom and the greatness,

if not perfected even more? I'm really I am genuinely very fascinated about the jama'amahed in Sri Waijaya. Jamannia, with the regar and the other than the other than the other than the people thatangahed, like. No kidding, he's a lot, he's a lot,

we're more than neighboring countries, even though, even though, gave up peti. Anakia, lo, is married by the Jolla Jolla Pahit, so that's elit can't be what, like, that. So, look at how neighboring country in Asia, is now, again, agh, ag, ag, look down to us,

because we're kind of perennar backang in various sectors. If we can remember that pride, remember that idea, this is who we are, this is our identity, we're not really adoptive definition or identity-as-lain and give-in-banksa-lain to make people. We're thinking you're cool. You're actually smarter than you think. You're actually kinder than you think.

You're actually so much better than you think, that's so much better than you think. That's it, that's the concept of. If we can't even when we can't even when Indonesia is that when we're going to make the McKinsey report too, in 2000-50, in 2030, Indonesia would be like the fifth or the fourth biggest economy after Brazil, yeah, after China and Brazil. China, India, America, and then we, we're more greater than Brazil.

I know. It's the kind of the economy as a big economy, as a past, as a consumer because we populatedly, demographically, can be run-unctongued, but Cima, as well, as well, as well, we're doing what, we're doing it, if we're not excel in real sector, don't you think like the government should actually

invest on creative industry, film, and the of power, the moment we success the idea of Indonesian, people, if you're going to go to Indonesia, people, when you want to eat what, Why the same time I'm talking about Korean drama, Pa, every jamb ramean, ma'am rameun, and that's imagine how much stock rameon in my name.

When Indonesia is stocked barangue, the body, ready-made food-nia, to all the rooms-roman in Japan, in all of the other rooms in China? Because they're going to fenced it with people, with bintang Indonesia, me fancied with Indonesian drama. That is the kind of soft power.

That's my dream, sir. So the moment Afghanistan single moms have enough salary to buy a smartphone, right now they're going to buy smartphone Korea, because they're not going to watch them, notan drama. Imagine one day, they're going to fancy with Indonesian drama, the moment they have enough money to go on holiday, they go to Indonesia. They listen to Indonesian music.

Do you know, Dengu again? Yeah, and Dund would be so awesome and cool back. Nanty. Dangdut with in English, Why not? That's it's it. Tau not, there's a new time Sriwijaya. There's universities in India,

the Nalanda. This is the oldest university in the world. It's established in the 5th. If you were the coolest Buddhist university in the world. From all the world, from China, if you want to school to

that's the test of the Jemet test. The orientations, or in indoctrination, in Sri Wijaya. So, the acculturation is before to India, it's always lewethehya, to one of Buddhist monk from China, name name, Yi Ching, in the abate the 7, that he has to beampir,

then, then he'd be here, matriculation there. There's a pencuraean about Buddha, the same thing's what's the same thing. And Indonesia was part or a big part of the Routhe, Ruta Academis. And in Macepahip, the armada-a-armada that were lair from Sumatra,

Jawa, to where, more than Jawa, to some, it's, to some, to some extent, and to some extent, hard power. So I kind of believe in the cycle of seven centuries. Abate the 7th of Sriwijaya, Abate to the Abate the 21. And we still have, there.

There are, there, but there, and conan-on-and-contained, we're back to cycle that, And it's sort of like, there's a pathah, and the future is sort of like behind you. And the history is actually in front of you. The history, you already know what happened, you can see it. But the future is sort of like behind you, you can feel it. Then I feel pretty good about the future of Indonesia.

I'm just, sir, sir, thank you. And don't even just to just be just leader, we're just. Hey, I want to push the envelope a bit. Do you see yourself as a policymaker? Not, never, actually. Not yet. Yeah, if the leadership of this country Tibba-tipaned by phone on the phone,

Diane, there's not any, now, no, with all due respect, I said, I'm going to still independent, I, I think,

film just support Bapa from out I don't know, I think, kind of, I'm like, doesn't interest me. Not motivated, there is no spark of, that's what's going to.

What turns you off? Because from what I've heard, is it the ugliness of politics? Yeah. Everything is transactional. Okay, that's kind of, that's episodic. Yeah, right? But episodically it could change.

The pendulum could swing. If like in Singapore, if you're in gaijave, it's like $2,000 to $2,000 a year. And then, mathematically, in Indonesia, in the past if you're going to be bureaucrat or to be a job of the country, it's like that,

so that there's gawggy, but maybe not in my time, in my time, in my generation, the generation of, people who want to think of the people who think of the people people who's more than people who are more

better hope. So, but I have better hope for the millennial, the Z generation, they're more than more woke than just thinking of the people who are more than the better hope for the cabinet and the top of the better hope is. You know what the opposite of woke is? What? Karen.

What? What? There isitlea better. You're a Karen. Oh, yeah, I'm not know, nah, nah, nah, nah, like complain. Oh. Like, in generation of the other year, they're so in my age, they're going to look

the constellation policymaker that's more bright, the future. Jail, more hopeful. I, I, tell, no, yeah, that I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. Never say never. Never say never. But never, never say, I know.

But, I never say, I know. I'm more inspired and more motivated to be able to work independent in the world to make sure to make more than more than I'm being made sure I'm doing like making film independently, rather than to be part of the system.

Like yeah, if I see that's like that. Okay, Diane, you've been producer, several years to be a while you're 50, where do you see yourself? I'd think of, I'm a PhD, I'd think of school again, I love learning. Maybe back to philosophy.

Maybe, I don't know, learning macroeconomics, because behavioral economics is also very fascinating. You see yourself teaching? Yes, I do. Because teaching also very rewarding. We learn every time we teach. And it's a means of keeping the discussion, that's not to putus,

the generation that's different with our generation of our generation. Okay, what else? Okay, what else? I want to share before I ask you rapid-fire questions. In 2004-5, I'm done what I'm going to do what and he can be a manusiness that can contribute to the society in a meaningful way, meaningful,

meaningful, too, for their children of my and get-tournation of people who know have adopted the same value that I've adjoarin, that I've been from my from my, from my, I'm going to be able to be able to be legacy.

It's been to be able to be able to be able to be. Maybe I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, okay. Okay.

I want to ask, some rapid fire questions. Yeah. Can be answer with, think, think, this, the concept that I'm saying,

want to buy or do you sell? Okay. Artificial intelligence. Buy or do you want to do? Okay. Okay. Then, clean living? Buy.

The environment, yeah. Okay. And then, education? I'll buy. I'll buy, yeah. I'll buy some. Bunch, don't. Okay, this is the easy, this is the other way.

Obviously, the other way around. Batu Barra? Jules, I've asked a few questions that question. I've asked a few people's question. And the answer's like that question. Good. Then, genetic biology. I have mixed feelings about this.

Why mix? I don't know. I'm very pro into something back to nature. If we have genetic biology, wouldn't we be endorsing a more unnatural way to reproduce, like, would we be leaving our nature's self as a human being? Sementara, what nature gives us is also very beautiful and very sacred and very beautiful process,

so there's a lot of things that we don't pegang, not we interfere in there, there's hands, there's hands or not, that's also that's wisdoms. I'm also, we as humankind, we're as human kind, where we've got lost with our nature, this origin, like, if you see Star Trek or Star Wars,

there's always this colony of some, some, the alien, what, who's just made this advancement in their technology, But they're very natural about their planet, about the way they live their life. Sementara that origin, that's already something beautiful, that's been made that. Maybe what we need to revisit, justro, back to origin, right? Back to nature, like that, that's it?

Okay, good. Good. The last question. Pariwisata. Buy or sell? The concept, to promote Indonesia with pariwisata. Bye. Okay.

Totally agree. You've been doing something, in pariwisata, engaging photographers to promote them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have started startup primate trip, and that's, to be able to empowering local photography to support industry pariwisata.

Because, now, people are pariwisata, to, for social media content, right. They're more than people who are well-traveled, and there's like, jadegidgenital to have where, just, I'm just to be it. But I think that, with scenario 2004-5,

we can... ...banyl many people are more people the whole of the world, it's more people more than to to bea-wisata, because we need to be able to get up, we can't get up, we need, we're able to sustain it,

our backyard, with policy, or, what, yeah, with protocols that's also very, our nature, just, then with the most of tourists and pari-wisata,

then we're just like, we can't just like, our coral reefs, like, that's, If Thailand and Philippines, like there's like like they're like it's like

it's like off-limits this, the world. And, and then, with it, core-refer,

recovered, like, naturally. And it's, there, that's, that's, so,

yeah, invest, but we're really peck to keep, to be able, so, so if,

if, if, if I'm not sure, 13-14-jutor, with 1st10 million, I'm not even 20-town to the other than 10-20-to-doleadown to get a lot of 150-jutor

international by way of two things. Connectivity that's been built, and it's been built and and, of our upay our to make up-power to make up-power.

We don't lack in the number of islands. Yeah, If if Singapore just $23,000, Malaysia, $25 million, Thailand, $35,000 to $40,000. Why, we're just $13,000,000. Because of the kithaupan's it, I think, I think, with the infrastructure, that's like, you know, it's like connectivity.

I believe that if, if we can rapine, so perkeembourg and perimbing and pertumbuance in the areas, the area, we can upgrade, like, I think that's mitigating from people from people from people from people from people, can't be able to beausesatawan, can't be the best practice of tourism being done in a global standard.

It's been implemented as far as normal, local. And, like we need we needucation, even the local heroes can, each of the dairah, there are like local, the people who, either very successful businessman's businessmen, he's who is that's part in that growth, like, as far as far asit asa way. So if he's not sponsor this,

he's not being not being a bigian from the part-womeness of the sector of tourism. And tourism is the sector that's the most of the same way to work. That's in study and to create one job, or as a barista, tour guide, receptionist, or even if you're uphundred dollars per job. But if in manufacturing it's $150,000 to $200,000.

So it is a low-hanging fruit for Indonesia to get a certain or devisizing. So it's something that I think you're incredibly adding a lot of value in. There are many more than there are many other areas that like like it's actually, but it's not bekela and

and it's been being as a car t'artini, then, after I'm back to Jepara. Yep, Jepara, can't Cota, he... after Bupati Rembang, can. I'm back. Rembang, that, Pantai Uttara Jawa,

that, Pasirutti, bang. It's really, there, potensiness. But, but, can, but, can, be... like that. So it's environmental, the city's also, need to be able to visit-a-oan-ashing,

need to be made, but if there's spaghetti bowlin' just for boulde who's just for bulae who's just not used with ratae, so that's more mild. Last but not least, from now, from now,

from from 2004-5, how many more women presidents will Indonesia witness? or have the honor of. Hopefully more than two. That's what's... Five cycles, five cycles. Five cycles.

I think that's a good number. At least two. I would vote for you. Ah! Or somebody has broad-base as you. Oh, okay. Hey, Dian, it's been a pleasure. Thank you, thank you, you very, you can go about in the world.

Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Mawbron, about global geopolitic, that I want to, this, update, it's long. It's been the last time the time of Dedeh, Cotipa, when I'm like,

and I got one-o-one macro. And it's really enjoyable, because there's a story about it, and it's a long story, and it's really interesting, you know. Imagine we can educate about that through film. Top. Not gampang, but if you can do that, fantastic.

Fantastic. Okay. Dian, thank you, yeah. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. That's Dian Sastro Wardoyo. We've got to talk about Don Bosco,

until 2045. Thank you. This is endgame.