Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Monopoli atau Kompetisi: Masa Depan Health-tech Indonesia

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

Endgame terus berevolusi dengan format baru: urun suara multi-narator membahas teknologi layanan kesehatan di Indonesia. Mulai dari menjaga privasi data, keterbukaan industri, hingga deteksi penyakit tidak menular. Bersama Jockie Heruseon (VP Business and Development Telkomsel), Reynazran Royono (Founder dan CEO Fita), dan Jessy Abdurrahman (Founder dan CEO Zi.Care). Sebuah kolaborasi dengan T-Connext. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #HealthTech ------------------------ Risalah Episode Ini: https://sgpp.me/eps148notes ------------------------ Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: ⁠[e-mail]⁠ ⁠admissions.sgpp.ac.id⁠ ⁠wa.me/628111522504⁠ Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: ⁠Indonesia Matters⁠ ⁠Wandering Scientists⁠ ⁠The Take⁠ Kunjungi dan subscribe: ⁠SGPP Indonesia⁠ ⁠Visinema Pictures

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The people are you tendrung using platforms platforms, platform of the type of telemedicent. It's already

too, aware about the healthed. I was aware about the healthed. I was C. I was still seeing looker, doctor's doctors from America, doctor from Malaysia,

doctor from the other than guys that's there. They're at allure at least. When they're lullied to the country, the patient we're going to to be there. Tercadang, people who are good when you're going to

get in a system that's bad. It's been good. This is endgain. Hello, Thank you, welcome, time, in the day of the time

we're going to be about how we can make sure we can't activity economy that's from sector of the sector healthan. We know that

the portion of sector of our PDAB our, it's, it's, from less 5%. From the total PDB, it's kind of

$900 to $1,000,000 trillion is about many people people's about $170 trillion rupee per time that's notary to

be in the United. Because of maybe the public in Indonesia to provide facilities of the health care of the world, whether this is a facta, I think,

I think, I'm going to be able to be. And, we also can make-bash-bac-bac- how we can manage-in-sac-sifat- that's a non-communicable,

including cardiovascular, canker, and also diabetes, lewet, lewet, the gay of our lives that maybe must be able to be and also peda-an. I'm very sure that's why it's that two things

there's been, digitalization, data, ceseatan, termac of perubhaphan this, this can be very gonged, this will be able more safe.

Topic, topic, which will behass, this is very much with the business model ofita which ishilar in sector of the sector of the health which, which makes make uplication that help us to make wure the gay of our life we can live more healthy and Jesse, it's related to hulunuch,

which, where he'll, lewet, through Zikar, is making digitalization to rationalization that's health in the number of course of Indonesia of course, topic topic that's about this is related

with how telecom cell as a facilitator from infrastructure digital that can be able to be able to make sure for how we canongong the life of the life health for us all. And this is related

with how much the way of the life we can beperbuy so, we can't even preventive, but also curative and rehabilitative. Enjoy the show.

We can't dokey first. This is going to talk about sector of this sector of this person. This,

this is the is a sector of the sector in context, how we can preservey integrity of data and how we can't move to be able to be able to be more safe and to the front, more robust, like,

sector of the entire. Panang of Yoki, how? Yeah, thank you, Pa Gita. Thank you, thank you, I'm here, the time, that's here, this is for us, for us, We're special. Because,

because, when I'm not on endgame that's in studio endgame. This is we're not to know, this is the first maybe,

yeah. Now, if you're related with the world of the world, and people,

people, people are, people are, what, what's the telecomsel, can telco, that's,

like, telecomsel, telco. I've been talking about back, can, that,

that, that, that, that, that, that, not want to be

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period of the we're from analysis our our own techo that can put in but to digital so.

We're trying to from it's from it's from we're not Ketka, how much as a ecosystem KATHYSafe. And, that's one of the ecosystem

Kesehatan. And we'll see, this is a baguant also for us, because we try to look at least as holistic, because we're doing, because we're also a baggieer of the government, we're looking, roadmap of the government, we're looking, we.

We're looking at the roadmap to, it's nothernation to to transformational to the world of the same more than more than we can look at how we can't be able to be able to refer to diagram Maslow

to redactable needs, at the bottom, it's psychological needs or basic needs, like, the most of it's, the last-actualization needs, like, yeah, ma'am. Now, we're, is the

the above as aibular basic needs that's not even we can't even in the layers of the next but there, there people other, there entity line, that maybe can be able to be optimal can to make it to

more better for society and the power we can, how we can't help it to to improve, it's more good, and we can engage ecosystem's we're just the ecosystem

that's up the same thing we're talking about telecomself now to be the digital telco company get used

that's so much that we can be be able to three big part there there

preventive there curative there there rehabilitative and we're getting we engage we're

we're rancul of three in three bigan in the in the data, Vita, Vita, is it's about, like, we're making build,

because we're looking that the pastarnia preventive in the world of the healthan that, we've got, the market

the market's to be able with the world. And we, we think there's, there

that's the other than Indonesia the two, there's curative we have a kind of KENDR TMI TMI merankul Halo doc TMI also RANCAL

For curative from two sides that are different One telemedicine and tele-consulting One who's been made in the room sacit, even to be-to-bibing It's like rehabilitative. So, sir, sir, too, pa.

So, pern't. So, pernertime, because... Al-comsale, can, maybe, maybe, telegram SMS, you're very, now, they're not very

people. Jarang-bott-N-alphoon. Mackan from that, that's, par, it's already, that's a lot of that, that's one-saat,

if we're trying to work on which is digital, car-pom-sel can't think of the story. Maybe now, the impact now, that's the most of the most of the more than, that's more than, you know,

you know, infrastructure, telecommunication, garis-miring digital that's given to beckon-cell, that can't bring upropsi that's important, for things that's the fact that purative, rehabilitative, and preventive.

Yeah. Yeah, sir, because, because we're in telcom cell, it's actually, there's some reason, so, not, not just geter, we're rancol, yeah.

And, if, if, if, if, if, if we're, like hype, now, , this, now, in, I'm going to, I, get,

yeah, AI, is, can be used to for many industry, and, actually, that, yeah, that,

that, we're, we're, we're, we're, what, we can't have, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what name-name-in-le-le-in-le-in-a-i, in-all-in-a-pment-a-a-could-a-c-c-c-c-c-pac-gap-G-tie. In-belac-lac-lare, like, that GoogleBard, both, that open-E-I, bi-do, like, that, the...

in China Baidu, in the back on the back. In the backhirting system's, there's one entity, actually, I'm personally, I'm not going to be able to, they're saying, they're saying,

if, if anyone who's who's, who's, what, name, Google, Bart, or Pard, and Badiou,

it's, the, end, just, but we're, but we're, and, get, and, gets, there, sensitivity, ma'amacality

because, because of the other people like enterprise they're, if they're even though, only for the lingup of their internal. And that's the way,

we're doing research at that. There, there not, the part that we can't we can do make a perubhation that's significant, that's,

like, just as the other than just to be enabler. Now, That's a team that's doing research to work, okay. I can back to topic

AI. This is important, but I'm going to go borrow with people. Maybe we'll get with lifestyle first, right. How, right? What you have?

What you've done, what you've seen as a plume that's great to be the time to be able to be And this I want to come because of course of course

because of the whole it's maybe, portion that's the kind of the of the PDB our economy our with the PDAB our

$18,000 trillion this is kind of more than 900 trillion. We've got heard some of the President's before that's that's out of Indonesia

is around 170 trillion because, can't even, the not-percrayan people to be the facilitation that there's in here or maybe, while while while leave on liberan too, right? Yeah, right? Yeah.

I don't know, but that's just with gai-hidu-hub, can? Yes. If we want to be gay-hue to stay in Indonesia just so much, if you're not want to be used to be used. So, let's hear of it. Thank you, sir.

Thank you, sir. Thank you, Pat. So, yeah, for the United States. So, yeah, it's really, from one data that's showing that that,

even to make a guy health health, it's very hard, especially for the United where, where I'm actually attractiveness, for, for,

not to do you want to do care of, yeah. Like in Indonesia It's usually Borengan, Bologna, there's

And other than other And then again And the other Yeah, that's Yeah, this is And again, And the other Yeah.

And the second It's, So, exercise place, and other like, miscellar as much

or as far legalitas it, it's, it's not to be entertainment Lapa,

you know, butah, but that, it's justia something that's a different. So, so data

even in technology, Indonesia, even undernobesia can't use the other than more than the same medicine, that's already, people are already aware about health.

In the world, it's back. Malha, that's 70% is preventive health platform that's used. Now, there's a problem plight, there's fundamentally

we have to try to tackle. Now, this is a sector that's a sector that's a lot of Evening that's jockey said many people are many Many times from the world of the country that's trying to To penetrate the Indonesia, actually the success rate is not, Blum, still success, success, so much. Now, so, so, data also menunuching that, it's not 25%

that's not sure of the United States 75% which is still very big 75% is even even many people who are aware about the pointings of the youths health and of course, so it's not, well, interested. If we see that, what, car free day and other,

it represent only 1% from total population that's in Indonesia. So, so, so, so, So, to make up to make sure that's how much more than motivated to do that. And al-a-a-lash-a-com-sell, what we've been't-bentook, that's the fact that, that's the fact that, there 170-jutor subscribers tel-comsale that we can tap into to make sure peril-laku-gay-hudu-saat-in-in.

...beard-dash-a-com-sail, and other-n-lacquake in Vita. So vitae, Vitae isaughan Mnizsiaean to make sure can't Gaii-Hidu-Sat. Now, ternia, there's trickinginging, because sub-consciously. Trick-na is we're giving incentive to people to make a good-shaired.

Conto? Conto is data from Telko. For example, data TelcomSel, as a gift for people, people who, to doleotidates of the other than a half a glass, miscar, then again, even in the same way, and in the system ecosystem Vitae,

we're giving rewards and points, soing that the people get paid togarten to decalcalfant with data rewards from Telcomcel. Now, subconsciously, it's, it's, made the people who, I've got free data, and data that's something that's a fundamental people, right, right.

People are you every day. So that's the approach that we have put in, again, without the talcumsel, in the back of Vita, it's a bit too little to do you look at.

As a entrepreneur, I don't look at it, it's like, if I make a personer itself, but with unfair advantages, it can be done WITA and TelcomSEL.

So far, adoptions, So we can be able to become, Vitae that's been the active users, down top of mind also, as far as brand awareness, and also,

as far as revenue. It's done in time two years. You're sure? Do you know, scalability this can be able to be taken in terms of? Yeah.

In the long. Very good question. So, that's what we're trying to make sureing that scalability is to becapay, And we'll look at the tricking is, first, the captive market that we can tap into.

The second is, platform that can be activeation or motivati people people who can't make sure to make sure. But at the same time, the three, the most thing is the

ecosystem that we can work with too, because, yeah, telcomsel is a big telco company that can give them can give leads. But we don't forget,

associati, the buggeran that we have worked with. maybe also the doctor-aussi-a-a-hospher because of the drug chronic chronic chronic chronic chronic

chronic, because when it comes to to the gay, the health, people are, oh, yeah, this is only about,

but don't remember that the weight problem that is a gateway towards many chronic diseases, yeah, whether that,

diabetes, hypotency, and all the so, so that we're can't can't be can be a partnership with

ecosystem that in Indonesia and we're from something that's weight problem because just beli-tingangangangang, yeah, pa, yeah. We'll get paid imbanger, we're doing. We'll get, so baby steps, yes, but scalability that we see that's a lot of health programs that we can't in the future.

But start-ne it's from something that's very much to bemerty by the people Indonesia also. As well-up just, This ishurtware, if we'll beware, more iOS or Android, more than, features feature barue,

which is more than gaii-hiduc. That's not, to be aversaing? We're not looking at it as a casepata to do distribution, capabilities that we've beenanked to be integrated with partners

so people. So, people think, Vitae is a part of a new perception. Vitae is a one of a platform. Where the platform that we've beenangang, there's one platform that we're called with catch, that's singleton at the center of health. Because we believe that when it comes to healthy lifestyle, program of care of caretals, you need a consultant

in the form of coaches, nutritionists, doctors, to users to make goals now, ecosystem we're built, now, now, even is it in the data, but, then, this can't

we can distributesickan to partner that there, and that's like, partner gym that, they've used to use application,

actually, but they're not the capability for consultation that, process to get back from data from users,

then data that data that is being developed by coaches and consultants, this, yeah, to be able to give us to guide, so forth.

So we're not looking it as competition. We're malach it as a way for Vita it can be adopt in a way that we can't dox. So that's what we're trying. This is more to communicable or non-communicable disease? This is... Or... ...ciccognostic?

Cucup agnostic, but in fact, in fact, in fact, in fact, in fact, of course, we again, start-in it's from something simple, but but we'll see the tabangue it's health, can't to mental health, can't, and other than again.

But of course, we're from weight problem. Weight problem is, related to chronic diseases that triggered by weight problem that, but after that, this, actually, this actually, can't be used by well-being many health programs

that we can achieve. Yes, this, this is, This is that's not-communicable. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, the most, can't cardiovascular. Yeah. Yes.

And two, maybe can't cancer. Yep. Mm-hmm. Slate to and line, line. Yep. You're in scope that ... ...

Is there hope? Hope? Hope. It's a very tough question, actually. But I believe that... ...untook to be better, I'm not to be delead. Yeah.

Yeah. If we're going to fight this kind of disease, yeah, what, uh, condition, yeah. Condition of the condition, if I'm just being ming, that I was saying,

my time, this, so, so, there's, there, there's, and rehabilitative, right? Now,

when we're going to say, the other thing, We have we have we have, eh, eh, we have we have, uh, uh, has to turn in, uh, or we're, we're not even if we're trying, uh, yeah, they're having to use intel, data, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's, yeah. Yeah. And COVID, yes. And COVID, can, we know, we're going to know,

that the, the government, that, when there, that's, that, blunders, that, he, he, he, is, is, is, That's why. that's why, if there's why, there's just true, fundamentality, it's, it's true, fundamentalist, it's, that 70% still is curative, in a room

sick. People, who, aware of my health and after sick. If, like, when I'm, you know, pa, la, la, ma'upea, like, come back, yeah, like, good, yeah, so, but, again, yeah,

just, oh, peggang, yeah, Like that he'sy like that he'd be foundy before he aware. back again, back again the end up again, we're doing, is we're trying

to give equipment for the government as a, because not can't be punky sector of the sector healthing that has been drive from the government.

Not there. In the country mannapen, sector of the drive with private to, no, because this align with the

the law, that's the law, that's about, that's about the people, that's the people, so, the people are the goals, private,

will be able to be able to, in this sense, meloing, in this sense, meloing, integrated health record data, with, so,

so, they're, but, can make, set goal, set goal so that goal so, so that goal, is there any hope?

Yes, I believe so. Because I believe that this current government, especially, Mr. Secretary, he's the right minds, the right step, to us,

to we can fight this kind of, what, the, um, the, uh, the people,

people are, the, uh, our how long? to be it digitalization data that's that's actually

in a majority of doing much as well. If you're from par-rumas-acit, because if we're because if we're-cichita from-out-comas-ac-cac-cuit if, back.

If we're from from-sac-sac-cate-you-same-bun. Why, six-bun? Because there's a lot of things to be set up. Right, that's infrastructure From the manual, since digital. Yeah, so much better,

it's really, and people who are already are still there's learning to be able to manage the technology that, it's probably spend in six the cycle.

But for portion that's allure that's still that's been there's digitalization, to be able to be digitalization. Because there

stickiness, right. Yes, but not not just, but maybe maybe, yeah,

pemhamhamhamham too. Right. Now, this, But just true. Yeah, but, but it's the gaiyadu, if you're about,

ifita, you're about the way of the patient, what the people, but if you're more than about gaihidu and habits from the people give payanan and the health.

Which is, that's sadly, the fact is, it's also the biggest reluctance, what, yeah, resistance, Yeah. Yeah.

It's also, yeah, not but more, but more than human factors. That's, this is a bit more than. This is a counterintuitive. Because if they're that if this is done, this will beaqan two things

that one, co-economy is more good, two, the cesehatan more be able to be putanguroped. That's, that's of the work, right, right?

Right, right. Yeah, but I'm going to be this a lot of course. Because on the surface, this is kind of counter-intuitive. Yeah. Yeah, sadly, it's the reality, ma'am.

So, because if we can be able a little to beca, yeah, in this. It's, I'm, um, point that's the thing we're It's not even

I'm from the I'm from now make it's like this so if there is a change it's more better than that's it's been good enough how much more

the data now the kind of reason is that's why we're actually we should be able to talk about about the kreashiaan kadaulatine is where?

Inur Number 24, the 22, the 22, the ownership of the ownership. So, so, if we're on the patient's side. So, now, this, if we're going to come out of the room of the state, we're doing that, the result of our lab our, our health our, our health our expertise, we're everything. Not only just a leban cartas, that's the name of resumummedic, that's, that's not-bole.

Harus, that's all of it. That, that, that, is, that, sir, sir, ma, sir. if the ownership of the key, okay, okay, okay, maybe there's also the quater that's not that

that's a lot of the reason why it's a reason, yeah, right? Mm-hmm. Am, that it's a factor

best, the, the, that you're, or, who's about, yeah, that's one of

one of the one of the one of sometimes, I'm gonna sometimes, I'm, there,

case, one room Sackett, in Jakarta, in the department, in the the Dillonerapal Rewan. And, there's a lot of people, binkus, goregaining it is, a recamidic active,

the cartas, that can't be able to bea patient, alamat, and penicitna. So, now, suddenly, the hospitals and the management concern about the privacy, I'm not

countering, this, this, man, So, but is, what yeah, what yeah, is that's about privacy? Why, it's true, so simple, this, man. When, during, yeah, time still, past year, patient daftar, he, he's long,

you, because, what, because of recas recal medicry, that's in folder, that's in gudang. There, there are in gudang. There, there, RAN, too, man, he'd go to gudang, he'd amil,

he'd, he'd, then, right? to be it, to do not, and who's not, and who's not Baca Baca? Nobody.

Yeah. That's now, just true, if we were this, Wow, but if it's also,

if you're that's too if it's to the other yeah, that's exactly, not, the reason we

consider that we're , like, as well, I. I'm not. a. because of my rights. Because we're my body.

Yes. That's exactly what we're like perjewanked. Sayangly, ma'clock. If I mean, if in the country other, maybe, like, time we're like, what's the time in Indonesia, not be able,

but for us, it's still a luxury thing to have our own health data. This is a factor that's a reason, that's why, why is there's a lot of people? I'm going to be in the country.

Right. Because this is in the people of the partner she brought herobot to, to, where, to the country

the other, I'm sorry, why, this we're, this, we're fight for, what, the, the world of

the world, I'm sorry, Just right, bro. If I'm just, I'm just about, I'm going to be my mind myen to, I'm going to. Mastarding, it's a lot of that. It's justaed, man. That's why we're doing quality control of our own. That's. Now, it's what we're going to, if we're going to try a lot. If we're going to make, why? Mastain, man.

Implicit, in statement, you're this is a little bit about this is a lottaicotor. Wow. This is that I'm going to get me wrong. If you're going to be able to... And then full disclosure, I'm a lot of... So, that's good. So I'm...

So, I'm going to be it. So, okay. So, so... So, so... So, if, yeah, yeah, you... quality of the doctorate, the education, because of the doctorate in Indonesia

should not callah. Because I, during the RASCM, that's from FQUI, that I'm still seeing doctor, doctor from Europe, doctor from Malaysia,

doctor from the other, the country, the other thanga, they're learning at this, when they're lullied to go back to the

country, the patient we're to be there. Right, this really is something like, this ishletic, this is the other than what, like, why, why doctor their must be here,

why the patient we're living? So, so, the questioner is, is, if-caught-cuality doctor our, if, quality of education, the data, the data education, yeah, the,

I'm complete, we're, we're, the example that, the same-in-in-a-in-in-a-in-in-a-n-a-cad-a-a-cad-a-dentdent in Indonesia. What, body, in mayat, that mayot,

if you're about, if in Australia, it's very cheap. Yeah, compared to other country, yeah, artiness, you know,

so, so, really, not be ragged, that, that's, if my personal observation,

see. Or, maybe, um, system the system end-upunking ,

but, doctor's, not a matter, yeah, quality of, doctor's not a butchre-you-hmm if you're the same

because of the same people who are people who are going to be able to be broke, right? This is the part of the need to transform

and maybe if I can't even because we can talk in data and quality of doctor yeah, what yeah preventive health it's malaching

data. Right, it's data data that turned out of the users' and it's the same out, research, I'm taking example of the cancer of PCHOS for women's health. Many of the doctor in Indonesia

that, it's, I'm going to look at medicine what I have to give. But if we're going to be in Indonesia, what they're asking for the PECOSA is, the day of health you like what? You're overweight, because because PCOS is even though

with making making make sure how much care of health care of data that's important, if not had data, it's more than, it's more quality, but at the same time, you know, qualities of Indonesian doctors also, maybe...

Yeah, this, this is a problem about, if data's not right? How much, right? How much about we can't? Exactly. Yeah, can't? How can we can't

be able to evaluate the energy, not only doctor, but all the people are important. And this, and this ismagnationally, this is a kind of,

this isca-angat-smua, and, and, and, the end-ug-in-you-a-you-all- if we can't be degeneration people in Indonesia,

why not? But, but, how, $17 trillion? Yeah. has to bea-hersrap by Singapore, Penang, Malacca, Taiwan, Japan, Japan, Tjongok, America, Australia, and other. And, not there's a lesson, actually.

I'm going to agga-agued push. This is back again to issue doctorate or to doctorate. So,cephat what, or as far as a-jave-a-a-pacusatification doctor. I'm not that maybe is, maybe not from the best of the best, not from the best,

that's the best, that's practice in here. For the penningingingal of the health in Indonesia. Amper same with guru, how we can democratization guru, the best of the best

from the best from the best from the world that can't be able to be able to be in Indonesia. There, is, there, is, there? Or is that's about that's about that's about it?

Okay, maybe the job isaacept, Pat. Yeah. Because if I'm like that, the government has been from them to make sure. With they've got one of the same thing, percontaghan, work with Mayo Clinic in Bali, that's really,

really, nanty, it's, it's, it, yeah, it's, because, because, if,

if, the question of democratization, is, it's like, something, what is it? If it's been, if you're, if they're,

the doctorate. Or not democratic. Or not democratic, not far as far as. But, but, but, I'm just,

example, yeah, I have case, the doctor. He, the person, the person, but he, and he made

get a doctorate, the bestolian, in Mesir. Then, then, he'd come back to the country we,

back to Indonesia, to be He's about the time, he's willing to be two-two-tahun-tambah for her. It turns out to be very hard for her. Not-biscery.

And this is really a matter-tank-and-a-lopan-a-doktoran to be sure. Ketik, when they've done one specialist, like, Mata or T-H-T, that's, even specialists in Indonesia, per-becerer,

and berbicarer baysa-bash-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-old. Artinernernernment, But it's not there's better. Now, like the way, like I suspect, actually, this. It's exclusivity that's not able to be able to be able. Like sector textile, Bob. When you're in the pastime, sir.

So, yeah. Previce, like. We've got, we know, in 2000, because I, before before I was in casehaten, I'm in 2000-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-aughan office in, I'm in the 2000, I'm going to work in textile industry, ma'am. And it, it's turned to make, during, in 2008-190, it's very much-down-regulation at that,

the protect and other, and other than, and then-sebagoes, not-bolead from outside. But, like, free trade, Asia wasa-bosue, then, then, the first reaction, what? Now, adieu, adieu, adieu, adaguing to beaugh, this, this, beginning, this, beginning, needles our, we've, been expired,

or, it's, just a little, that. Dulu, when it's got to beckyce in there. Now, this, so, if, if, so, if, the theory I, is, industry that's protect, or overprotected, or exclusive, it's not going to be healthy.

And, the answer is, right, but we're right, but we're like, if we're demot-in-jilit-jilit, too, in the bea-mentary-cash-cathed, too, until there's anciman, what, we're doing, what, that's about, what, that's the way, that's the problem, so, that, so, and, you know, it'su-a-law. Now, this, actually, actually, issue is to do you, multi-dimsy.

And not as simple, we're just like, when it's like 80-190, maybe still, maybe still many data, but also, bank collapse,

bank collapse, back the government, Aros, there's a lot of, there's-lap, bank, make daily, making weekly,

weekly, quarterly, transparent, clearly, and, and, apparently, can,

maybe, yeah, well, now, yeah, a bit, but, but,

But, but, but... more, but... The first is, the first is, is it right? Regulation, has been per-bolehack-can it first. The other,

...the-cuit, that's one-a-channel just one-one-all-a-art-a-chapot. And, for... ...and, forcibility, which is, it's... ...itit digital.

...as-as-as-as-as-all-it-old-old-old-th... ...tele-cult-tell-thal-culting-th... ...the-culting- ...is- ...is-us... If you're in there's If you're in there To make the quality of the health more good, open, not only the

from local, can be it. But again, again, it's again, again, I'm more like if I'm I'm not going to make make sure I'm

to back to him yeah. Yeah, right, that's the doctor that's the best. Yeah. Yeah, right? Yeah.

But I've been a lotter that people get rid of people who must happen again. Dis-schagel-khan, every single, one,

we have come. Yeah, right. Now, we're just had a get-perbukkaan about concepts like this, like, there, there,

no, doctor in Africa, Australia, Thailand, China, Japan, Europe, America, Asia-Pacific, permasuac,

Asia, Tengara, that, like, that's like, if there, if we have we're just out of the first of it, that's just to make sure that.

Because what is the prioritized can is a patient. Right, right. Not lewetkaidt, not lewetka, not lewetat, not lewat digitization or what. Anyway,

I'm not going overkill topic. N'p't I'll be plotototting many people. But I'm, I'm going to take issue

competition. So, in the way, this is the way, in the way that's the same way to beajure, this is the concept of concept that we're being how we can't be monopoly. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Bucan competition, or perfect competition. Yeah, right. Yeah, but when I was in the same school, competition ismur-smpurna, okay, that's just that now, when I'm doing When I'm more than I'm going to be like I'm monopoly. Now, in context business

and this is full with quebekaan that Telcomsale is a lot of this. But if you're in context Vita and Zikker, how do you know, how much panang of your? So, for Vita, I said that I said that we said, that we're malhameh competition is important, especially for sector that we have

because because because of the health is a newfoundness that's even more than the players that can give them this guidance to Indonesians, it will be more good for the sector.

And that's why we we're malh melchate, there's some people, with what we're talking about what we can't synergican, that's the thinking that we believe, especially in preventive health. And that's why I shared about the fact

that, that one of Vita is to redistribusically that we have to the PermanTville. It's not just partners our own, whether that's not been able to be james or asociation of platy,

and other, but also platforms technology that's even giving penulahed information, motivation, motivation to make people, people Indonesia to make

make sure that. So that's what we look, that we've got, because we're like, 75% that's not aware and interested. So, malhaqa many of the market that's the why preventive health sector, technology, sector in Indonesia, it's not too much more bebeamang. Because focusing that's the top of the pyramid.

Pai'n'n'n'a'n't it, that's just. how much how much more than how to the pie instead of the same size of pie so that we're going to work that we're doing back can't technology and again we're all over to

asosciasi and other that's why we always call that how to drive the ecosystem instead of just us to be the biggest yes we are the biggest right now but how to how to enable this

players to get because, because what they're using user base, maybe better than what Vita has been different than what you have been. And maybe telcom sale is only a subset of total population in Indonesia. So, a big subset, yes. But, yeah, I mean, in a way, you know, 170,000, there are 200,000, there's 100, yeah, still, that's the idea, that's a bit. That's true, that's true.

Sorry, my math is a bit patchy. But in terms of population, there's still a big chunk of pie that maybe we can focus on, how how we can drive that distribution of capabilities across different partners, as well as competition in this sense. But this way, if I'm saying,

that's the, that the way, this is the same-being with TelcomSell. that's a strategic, that'shant, that'shawar-bishop. If I'm going to make sure, I'm thinking two-kney, want to be data or more than

the guy I'm going to be able. Yeah, right? This is how, to be able to be resigning with someone who's that's nantol with a big giant? Yeah, right?

predication, this is the way doopoly which is probably you know, this is monopoly, right? Yes.

For virtue purposes. Yeah, but that's true. But this is true. But this maybe our investor will say, but... But our investor watching this may be, like, okay, what we're going to say?

Okay, um, If the reason why I established Zicare at the first place is when I'm going to help three RASCM, I'm at the time, I'm at least Fatma Watti, Pershabetan, RSCM, I'm looking, but the way, but the reason, but the reason about medical electronics electronic, this, EMR, this, very, um, pampir not there. If they're not, they're down from out,

and the price tag is $1 million, which is not affordable for most of the hospital. In Indonesia, there's there's 8, there's there's around 3,000 and there's still 1,000 clinics and bertumbus, where, that's able to afford

to use EMR, it's just to be able to be cut from 100. So the market is very big. And it's very impossible for Zikar, for we, to, we're curative, to be able to capture

that's not even. And it will defeat the purpose that why I established Zikaa like the first place, I want to help the hospital as much as possible. Now, so, it's the partying actually that's actually

active in the association healthcare Indonesia. This is a sub-a-annermahi people who are people who are there also who are, there also who are, there's

also who are in the system like EMR. But now what we're doing is, we're trying to What's what, what, what, what, what, what, what? So, that's the proper IMR is the same. When they're not going to passapakia to doxiae, that's not a doctor, too,

they're like a neck motor. Now, sedankanagan, if we're analogiccated it, the Zikar, that we're talking, is laxus. That's true. I mean, like, suddenly, like, they're like, they're like, wow, this, this is this, this, this, this. Now, I wish there is somebody that built Agia, Toyota. Or inova.

Or yeah, gradually, it will become Inova or Fortuner, but this is the current justruc, we're trying to help us, who's playing traditional, to be transformed, who'd stopped building the motorcycle, now build the real car. They have, uh, there's, uh, there's, there's, so it,

But when, when they said, they're IMR. Trenuant, it's the motor, it's got to get rid of two, in the back. But still a motor, if you're justo, yeah, jatow. Not can't move, toll, that this. Now, this is true,

not meliat, this is the monopoly, like, justro, we're just to help the room-sacit as fast because, because deadline regulations with P. BGS, did make very tight

by the end of this year. This year. This, yeah, This is maybe because of the time is the time for the law. So, again, but this is the way of the regulation again. But this is the same way that's as much, maybe, already, so much, even, that's not been riddue.

So, yeah, if you're going to be able to monopoly, yeah, we're, really, penangent, yeah, we're juster, we're juster mongle all of people to help 3,000-end-growing, of the like that's like that's okay. Okay, I want okay, I want to ask, GDPR, the point of the United States? If you're, what you know,

what we're saying we've got, the regulation that's new, you know, regulation that's new, data, privacy, particularly PII, that's, that's not going to be able to consent, right?

Right, right? And if we're related, correlations with, uh, uh, the world of the same, uh, so long as it's, uh, milig the people, and,

there's a loturances also, musty-na, yeah, data that has been, really, 100% the people who have power,

want to do, do what, right? Right, yeah? Mow, do, uh,

iserate to one's-asakic to other, or is that's going to be the doctor to doctor to other, whalopon it's better at home-sacet. Mestinia, the haq-quasa it is in the person-sacit-a-sacit-of-as-cuit-it-n. Termasu-data that, which we can generate from platforms platform that other,

that's also, there's also, can, there's data data that, which, maybe, privacy. But if it's if it's more to behavior, only more to analysis, that's more general to help us to help us to develop one platform that's what we do. And in Telco,

we actually, data data behavior plangangangor from TALCO, that we collect, sir, yeah. Cuma, once again, we still comply with regulation. Not we're subar, but that, but it's we collect for how we can't can't even better example. We've got to be able to beacres we're saying,

which is called, which is the big data telecomsale, from what what do you do with the behavior that's been doing with the client that can help us to make make some kind of credit scoring

from the CELCO behavior that maybe can't in the sysis preventive and can't even give up and curative. That's what we try to allow and we're, what, open, we're actually, we're having platform

too, we're, we're in fact, we're in fact, we're in fact, that if we're able to, to help, to make understand Indonesia that's more good, we're very welcome. We invite, can I've said, has said that's about T-Connects, that's one, we invite.

Not only that's really, uh, right now, we're engaged directly with we invest, but, but if anyone, we invite for,

let's help, comeank can't Indonesia be better better, we have, but there's notarant that's notarer, there's all right, that's all right,

so, we're gonna be in, back. This, this, if I'm parisical between America with Europe. Yeah.

Europe, to, tendrung more more than privacy data. and this is there manifestation in the PR. America is more loose.

But I can't make sure the hypothesis that America is more more loose because he's more in software. So, so they're having

keypinningan to continue to doocratization data. If Europe, it's more hardware. They're maybe Ketongk, in the context democratization data.

They're not beneficiary from democratization data, Europe. America, yeah. So, they're trying to end up enginkinquent and there's jubralization. Yeah, right?

Now, Indonesia, the gettance, more encue to Europe, in context GDPR. is uphaping to be more to beahertware we can't beinnovation or maybe there's alasan

I'm a little bit better because, because, because, with we have data that more complete that's, the example, if we're,

if we have, put, hang, angan, and then, like, Unified Digital ID, that's like, unified digital ID

that's capture behavior not only from telco, but this we combine, yeah, from all the same industry,

it's even has been important to make, um, to make, um, one,

the innovation, innovation, in industry, in vertical, vertical, that's better, like, uh,

jantung- yeah, But we did not data, we did not data, we can't even if we can't make upputusant that especially for innovation, too, not even innovation that we've got to be made, but not if it's not accurate, can't. I think, I think, in context this, digitalization, the way, path instead of hardware, like, good, sir. Good. Good.

Even Vitae VIII cell, it's able to give individual data to the telecomsel. Yes. That's the current practice, yeah, Paul. Compli with regulatory.

This is not official party line. But, but we're just we're looking at there utilization on individual data and aggregation of data.

So, individual data it usually will beasance will give benefit to the user's related to the hard rate okay and all right but aggregation data there's a different

different materialization that we can see one of the same thing with telecomcel we can give them a broader awareness to the same set of loopalikes that's that's using the same for motivational this lookalikes inside the ecosystem of

telecom cell is more bigger Bata, if you using using marketing so that's one of the

utilization that we can do not even the other the aggregate data or sharing this aggregate

beta to the partners that I said that so that we can make segmentation to look

to look at okay these different segments that kind of kind of have been different different different for

exercise plan for certain or meal plan as well-asks, as much-mash-mash-ment. So, the panangang of yeah, GDPR-I-U is, maybe a bit restrictive.

But even with approach this, it's quite utilization of data that we can't be able and explore. Maybe there's a more than more. We're, if, if we're

in the world of health, it's not a-sing, actually, for sharing data, for research-purpose. Because that's how they push the further further by sharing data,

research was open source. Yes. So, just maybe there boundaries. It's not-bole personal identifications that must be removed, but case-case is, if there's actually, if there's not there's been a reality. Selamay it, it,

it's not be related to person's it. Because they're perlux, them patterned, yeah, subarant penit that's the best maybe, this is the case

maybe, yeah, it's not in Jawa Barat, in the cabupatine this, why, yeah?

Now, that's actually from, that's just, that's just, that's been, that's being, that's, it's,

that's, from, the team from the Kmenerian to observe, yeah, from the public yeah,

the, the, they'll be, what, what, what, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, again, uh,

and, and, like, sogainting data. So, uh, concept sharing data in the, uh, the world, actually,

should have been able to, uh, so long, personal identification this, the, uh, di,

the, uh, the, the, thing, process, democratization data that did, so,

if, if, if, the, team, team, team, team,

team, team, team, I'm a lot of what, what, research, like, if this is just one click away, the people are you're just one click away, like. The government has already

the dashboard BI's, I want to look at all Puskesmas, from all the room-sacit, the area, okay, this, this condition of comorbidnit is, there, not, from patients-in-in-in-in-in-na? Now, it's, so,

so, so, it's, so-per-per-pestective, about the outbreak, for example. that's, that's that's, what, what, what, what, yeah, that's, pa, you know, what, the thing. The thing. What's the problem,

although we're saying more than that, that's, that. There's consent. Consent, consent, that's, that's, that's, that's, can,

who's, can't, why, but, but, but, okay, that, that I'm, okay, that,

that's, I'm gonna, too, too, agree, but, that's, that's,

the, that's a culture. Yeah, Yule, even more than one or 17-alam, we're right. Exactly. Exactly.

We're right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's all right. Yeah. Now, it's how, that's the answeraband.

That's, if we're put a debate can. Yeah. That's why it not did do-court with proper due care

or proper due diligence or proper whatever, like. Yeah. That's the issue, that's, that's the problem is, this, ma'amacic, if he's not meantick,

he didn't use it, can't be it? So, so far as take it or leave it, can, yeah, yeah, yeah,

that's from, that's from, that, the time, that's, making 27, yes, yes, yeah, right,

right, right, right, that's true, that, that's about, it, that,

yeah, that, that, I, I'm, I'm, want to switch. This is how much how much of

portfolio or what? What's the most can, what do you're uprook, can, part of the volume of the revenue and how much percent margining, how much percent bottom line, and and everything. There, not, is, in the metric,

you know, the amount of the amount of the amount? For the matrix we're. Yeah, because you're becimpong in sector of the health there. There's not. If you know, if you're because we're going to,

because we're going to, so one of the key metric that we're going to say so, one of the key metric that we're looking at least, or how much weight that's been correct from users our user's our, so that's actually one of our key success metric.

That's for the loose weight, but there also that's also that's going to gain weight, that's, how much kilogram that did get back. And we also, we also, we also that's people that's basically of the metrics that we have been.

Now, why this is our North Star, not, back, not revenue, or not margin, and other. Because what we believe is that if we're able to deliver the goals that users want to get on, automatically these users will give them bring the reward back to Vita's, and and that's

Vita that's about fataqaqaqaqaqaqa it's gratis, pauc, we're not minta users to pay spaser pun so that's the approach that's the approach that aga contradict with the existing

players for preventive where the most of the most they want to make, you payer first. Now, but back again the impact that we're going to drive that's more than

that's more than that upgrades of people that don't make sure So that makes sense. those benefits, before we'll look how much to monetize. But what's interesting

for people who are doing people who are doing when they look at benefit their, they want to maintain and start be payer. And spending it's usually very, very

exponential, exponential as far as spending. Yeah, imagine just, Vita, it's actually entry level,

but for 30-hurtain, that's $15,000. A month. A month. But, but our Pugita, now, it's already $150,000. It's still.

Because if I'm because if I have personal trainer, I'm $400,000 per hour. Yeah. Juta-an. I've got to pay $0.

$0.000. Exactly. Now, that that we're not, see the benefit, And then, this, this entry-a-tri-noter-bate-notes-ad-benefit-n't-it-it-and-then-then-stet, that's why, for Vita, a lot of the collaboration that we'll dolech-l, it's demulay with pavilioningan Vita services with telco-data packages,

because that's something that's something that's important. But, after it, it's, part-pac-services. We don't know how to talk about because people need manpowering out of the same thing. And, imagine just that's the name of preventive health, that's why very lucrative.

Because there's still a lot of verticals that we can't make sure in the future. Sportswear. Vitamids, supplements, right? In the future, there's a lot of things that we can be able. So, yeah.

So, so, what's the principle that we're doing. So other than the cost? So other loss, we're using, we're using calorie deficit as our core for weight loss. But we also

start making incur, hard rate and other data data that we can get from phones, that's already become more becoming, yeah, and also we'll look

improvements because we're, because we have exercise plan, new plan. So, so, we're also there's guidance

from coach to lookments from the other than the other than we can we can't look at least we can't use using digital ways to get data data from users but at the same time for preventive health this

this is still there monitoring physics that has been used to be able to be virtual too. If you're up to... If you're up until HBA1C, LDL, HDL HDL, GITUK, not? Belom, but that's something

that we look at. we're the other than we're the other than we're the other than that's. So, you know, glucose level is something that's now, it's still being a system-prick, yeah. Yeah. Now, say, the system-prick, it, can be manipulated by users if you want. But what we're going to be automated patch, which now,

now, and, more than maybe more than in Indonesia, and it's more than we can't automate, and in the way more continuous. That's what we need, really. And, and the time it, depending on

the program of the healthan that we've can't, we need to put down the data, data, abackal, with making making medical checkup, test, data, and that's something that will be it. Now, but that's a roadmap, right, right. If you're going to be able to be, right.

If you're going to, if we're going, if we're going to be able to be, we're not directly B2C. C. details of the patient we have how far what's going to make sure how far what's not quite somebue

but what's clear bener benalue but what's actually KPI we're actually is is how how much room-sacit

that's the main KPI if you're the main KPI if you're if you're seeing what, uh, as far as

the tungungan uh the bestar with the With the system we have the amazard because of the American-hmm because of the patient, so that means indirectly,

when more much room-sacit that's-a-tacet that's-a-bant-a-pacet also can be able to bea-pac-hastien, which is per-hary, there are 700 patients, there's a thousand patients, but, but it's really, but it's really, the story of the people-ttae about, when,

that'stick data data, there's the first of data the firstis. That's the result of the diagnosis, the result interaction doctor with patients, who's there's got to be chattetet. There's, there that's actually

still diabaikin, secondary data. Padal, it's like this is the like this, this, this ismart watch, this, this is benerick, this is actually data

that's, as much as much as much, that's just as far as far as far as the last, now, this is now, we're going to be associated, we're going to engage data primary care with data secondarying. So, he, we're not going to, we're going to be, but it's personal health data. This will give doctor the better point of view when he's meneggaken diagnosis, for example.

When he'duha, Addo, oh, my, myot cat myot-cadry. But, can, in data from... Data, from... Application of health, can't be able to be able to be able to be able to... And, this, space is cancengen.

Or, or you're coming... Nextpeda, for a week, five days, six days, and this, this, 50-kilu-terus, Kondo, sometimes, 100, you. Yeah, yeah, you're now, I'm still...

That kind of thing, the end of the day if the end of the day, if the time, if the data data secondary in, he can be able to be in this being like,

so, he can't make negate can make diagnoses and treatment that more bad. So, if you back again to KPI, yes, we're

we're bantue but haraping with we can't do the room sacate, more people who are out of the room of the same.

Okay, I'm want switch topic about of the penanaan. Okay, right. So, yeah. Okay. To say, man.

Okay. Macro. Okay. So, so much, company or what, that's... Sadly, yeah, if I,

if I, keep, if we're capable, we're... Most of our our investors, to call,

we're... Unung-tongue we have to be telcoms. So, so... So, series we, pre-a in the A, is from the U.S.

So, there's a lot, so there's one, there's a lot, there's one, there's there, there's Thailand, like, yeah? Apakas the questioner,

we're not get to meet with local Visi, yeah? Yeah. Local Visi, you know, there's not from

out of the world. You know better. So, um, But if it's like that's like if you're not only because, uh, yeah, more than the time, yeah, more than we're,

more than we're, yeah, still like, yeah, I'm trying to see. Because they're makinggap, you know, how much growth-na,

uh, cohortableness. Oh, we're at that time, we're saying, yeah, we're saying, yeah,

we're, it's a lot, that's much, that's, why you're, why you're, not switch model so,

like, like telemedicine, platform. He's a people per week. Okay. Okay. It's a very, what, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, all right, we're like, we're going to say, but sadly, but it's for us, so,

so, it's blessing in this, guys. Untongingingy, people who are more than they're more than the value, you model B2B. Because they're, this is not like growth. Totally. It's a no-brainer. Yeah, that's a no-brainer. Yeah,

That's right, that's so, that's just, so that landscape that we'll be able to share, I don't know, maybe people people can share too, but at least dezikar, that we're alami,

when we've got got to be able, and local also all those big names, we already met, that's, also, oh, and Tantau, yeah.

Yeah, old, right, n'anth, angel, papi. Oh, and Tantan. Mertu, Mertu. Lacki, angel, yeah, They're just to be able to be able to bees.

If they're just-establish, they're more than one thesis that they're more than more than replicate. So, like, room for innovations, room for diversifications. It's still very little thaning vizis'liuar. If that's, from what we're doing.

Maybe. If I mean, if I say compared with the experience I saw up, sir up, of course, I acquies, of course, I'm gonna'an for this year, and maybe one year to be sure, it's more, more than,

of course, as far as metrics, it's actually there's a perubhation, which is retention, the question is retention. That's just revenue, but also, look,

revenue and gross profit. Yeah. And path to profitability is like what? So that's something that's a lot of the same time. But at the same time, that's the money that's not beckxured. Especially for Indonesia as a country,

it's something that a lot of investors are trying to put money into the country. At the same time, just the angle just, that's the angle in-allengal-down-all-distance, scalability is what, And now, even, man, man, man, in fact that's not that's

that's not, but that's money around, it's, that's not the case, right? You need to actually see what's the... The totality of what's the endgame yeah, for that company. So that's what I'm seeing, if, if I'm seeing, if, if,

if I'm compared, the suburb, the same time, Vita, But at the same time, Vitae it's additional challenge. Additional challenge that's about, for the company like Vita, where majority shareholder's not the founders, not the C-levels,

but the corporate that the backing us, that's also the appetit-noticed not everyone to look it's something that good, so, yeah. So, there, there's not that centrung founders-focused.

So,ing, the majority of shares that's their founders that's the right. Now, this is that I'm in the way, because I'm saying, Bapa, Gita said, that if I'm going to look at what I'm going to, what it's a dream come true,

I'm not thinking about acquisition, I don't think about scalability or go to market to drive revenue, right? So, from an impact perspective, social impact, that if I'm like if I'mper. if I'm just because of the data than I'm just totally different. Existential.

Exactly. So, this essence that's that's still still being guide by most vices, is something that's specific diseases that understand that value of appropriate back start. And this again,

the same, it's the way that is to keeperous And maybe more than more, if you know, if you're not, if you're not, that's been working that I've been

making, Rata Rata Visi it has been itself, they're, they're going to focus on, in the bedang

what, in a bit of funding, this is the this is the FOMO, actually, there's a

same same trend setter yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe, but, we're,

we're, We're more joan joan more so much more. More than you're going to be. Yeah. Many of fombole, so if there's, if one startup that has been invested with

with FISC that's just good bonafit not perlure even, sometimes maybe maybe it's just maybe it's just

because there's there's been there's been mevalidation. That's maybe, maybe before, well, don't get a trend yet. Nanty, if you're d'apest, someone else, oh, who's the investor from, who's

investor? Yeah, maybe, okay, not perlomikik, pasty, vis-pici, also, will make sure. But, mannarding it, sir, now, now, there's a good-udderan there's a bigot-bushar. Because, can, again, even, you know, that's in objective,

can't keep up and makeb and make sure kind of economy in the world start-up in Indonesia, that's kind of, in the other, muddhaarer, like, so much. I mean, I'm sure about about

full-us. This is a good-structural, the barbatassan. If we put, if we're-up ratio-wang-breder to redder, to be-d-d-pd-d-t.

That's just 40%. Yeah. Chill, We have the ratio per Banking, we have to be, celsius, ratio paramedal

to be our PDAB our just 45%. Negara and Gare Mago, termasuk, to Singapore, it's 150% to up. Yeah, right? America, the other 100%,

the Tyeongk, the top 100%, Europe, barat, in 1,000, so we can't make, the UNAVs in above our, or PEDABs in our past we,

but the ratio of thebbbdb, that's at 100%. Now, this can, for naring data from out of the world, want not want, that's what it's going to do you have to do, but if we're going to be critiqued again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, want to go, we'll go, we'll go with penanaman model asing. Yes.

Now, this, if we look at penanaman model asing, per capita, per-orang. Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia, it's $100 to $100,000, $1,000,000. Yeah, right? Tentu reflex our own, this is, this is a lot of government of little. But argument of the country that's not long as well.

So, that's it, you know, that's the same $105 million dollars in 2000s. And thenk, Indonesia, number two, in the money that'sing, $31 million, $1,000, so it's in a per capita,

and in a nominal total, this is still many PRN the U. Yeah, right? If this, yeah, al-hmm, there's-Calcels. But if in America, not only Sequoia,

there capital, there Black Rock, there Vanguard, there, there, mace, much, And if we digic to liquidity in the world in the world, especially in the Uyghurra Magu, there's $100 trillion. That's

until 12 or 13th month that was the environment that, minus, in the most, in Europe, and in Japan. Moutis, let's last,

the war Ukraine. Yeah, can 24 February of the year, the stuonga, and everything, and stuff of the counter countered with the koukinaikin. Now, this is tooo-ironous.

Duwit, like, many, there's, we're going to depotment product product ofbanksah, but there's a structural in the country. Yeah,

we want to come, we have, we have to take from out, but we're notar-punis, yeah, they're un-doch, but if we're not but if we're not quite, but if we're going to compete with India or Tianok, this is the scale, right, that's not?

So how to make sure to make sure the ratio money-b from $40% and then to 1,000? Ins-A-Lah, if it's not it can do-laken, wad-do, they're, they're going to be consistent

in the impanpaniopi-competition-semputis-sempurned. But if you're notarer if you're about it's sootid for we're makingciccan competition semprosite. Beto. Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, you're, because you're doing dukonged because you're in position

that's strategic, very quite so hard for, the other, muclead for, because there's catarbatusan data. Although, although object not in context to monopolie.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right, right? Yeah, maybe point I'm saying, tell comcel, strict, to be madeleaq. Yeah, not too

bea manjacking. Of course. Yeah, right? But, this, if I'm in terms of data, and that's batas. Yeah.

Bucan, not bydasarking, not by the geography, but can be based sub-darked-and-sum more than the abackan, that's the

money, because because we we're still we're just yeah, yeah, but we're

think we're with the rule of law now that's that we're saying that if you're

going to be coming yeah industry want to not want to be sure you

know there's on the penaman money money especially even

and you know I think you know of the company that's based on the Indonesia, usually more than you're more than we're using up in Singapore or in Hong Kong. It's right.

Yes. Because all the investors asking them. Yeah, to be fair, for Singapore, they're, they're pinter. To make rankakan structure of pach, for them for them payers,

so, yeah, favorable for them. And, right? And for the same is there can't, amen, and everything. Better stable. That's,

that's, maybe, the longer long-pansan, we have to learn from Singapore. But there's irony. If we talk penanaman model, it's not as big

what we're what we're sacksica in Singapore in, or even in-capital, or in-turb. Jumlachorn or unicorn,

the most, that's, in Indonesia, for allure Asia Tengarra. I'm right. I'm ironic really, but I say simple, propensitist Consumsi.

That's the most percentage or in factored in Indonesia. So, so, it's just anything that's the interface with consumer, consumend,

that's, it's to bekechar with money, and there's, and per-buky unicorn is the interface with consumer. But,

If I'm notary to doit, it's notarysal intelligence. Lacku, that's a barang. If you're going to be AI just. Want to go on massacan, there AI. Yeah. Mowong about petanian, there AI. Mawonging Kyihaean. There's AI.

There's a lot of it. Right. Right. Right. Right. But I'm going to. But I'm going to. But I'm going to.

Yeah. I'm going to make start-up. that can't even though, that's the same time that's the way that's the key words that's the key words that actually we're taking. Yeah. Yeah. And then,

so, everything that you put AI on it, it's a suddenly can, money will come, like, but, again, I mean, if, from, if, from, what, from, what, we, if, we, we think, and Calcomsel as our shareholders, if we're seeing, AI is inevitable.

It's like Thanos said, I'm inevitable. But but but but when we talk AI, it's actually, he is going to be more pintar when there set of data that's been made to design-based for predicting models. Now, sadly...

Speaking for yourself. Yes. But sadly, data of the data because of the Kirtas AI, we can't beca booka Goudang Rumsackett

Kleeftu, so Oh Okay, okay Okay So how Soal AI Okay Soal AI, okay

So, so if So, if you're So much unique, yeah Because AI AI is a very unique, yeah, Because AI is a lot of pina, a jazard

data that's a set of data sadly, now in Indonesia, if we're going to talk in AI in the data still is in cartas. If we're going

about, we have sample data from Europe, from the country Europe or from America. But if we have to remember

that actually DNA matters. So, so if there are strains, strain antibiotics that more more

there's anti-apeutic there's got to other than other Europe. Now, the AI this is very big built based

on European people. Now, artinia, if we want to make AI this more better for

Kesehaken Indonesia, we have to give them also, feed them also with the local data. Now,

this is, actually, uh, one of the way to to help out of top when we're on top, clinic we're digital. AI is the next logical things

that's the next logical things that will be, what the name, embed in the solution our, particularly, yeah. And, and it's the magic word for the investment now, this year. You're worried?

So, so, sir, sir. before CHAPT, Vita, Vita, that's from the pasty A.I. for preventive health. And we've applied that before the year 2002, we've already, in 2021, we've applied. Now, the example of the

is, to make-permudh user that, and, also, melakable information and also melakoucan activity of the heathesatement. So, I'mel a lot of, Usually, the application of the health is the most of the application for the most of the list, Pat.

Now, we can make AI image. So, image base, just to photo, oh, this is toperak, ketopraq, what calories and macronutrients'nia. So, that's one of the, um, it's a much more than process to get information. Now, the second, it's, it's, to make thempermooder, to make suretick, which is, which is,

we use use AI, so that's able to use camera handphone, users make upcution, and it can't be able to look accuracy and also a-bacarance

that's actually. So, that we've applied, yeah, PIVA. Now, then, when, so, when, the time, CHAPT,

there, of course, there, thinking, Is it's not we can't, because that's what Vitae is a platform for consultation, and consultants now, now, problem is however, in Indonesia, it's people, or people who are people who are at least in.

Inundia, it's very much. And if we're just as much users, but supply consultants, it's, it, not, still with the pertuguan of users, now, we can't have a problem, But the same time, dilemma, the lemmany

not even chat GPT is able replace people, especially for the same for activity of caretta. What's the name is, especially if there's been a biterable, there injury, like, there, that's always there's monitoring

from human. And if there's the diagnostics, it's also, it's also, people to be able to diagnoseis as far as far as far as far as far as far as if you've gothapitia that's justpity stilling

giving information and I'm saying and I'm seeing many again many again sharing from people in outside in Indonesia who even beerogative health they're looking forliping that's not

information that's not information that's not enough there's ethical that we have to think remember, like we can apply 100% ethical and factual and factual,

and factual, exactly. Exactly. Maybe there's some people can't be replaced for, for first reply,

that's like that that's, but when it comes to immediate, deeper interaction that the consultants, be it,

platico-bogaran nutritionist and doctor, still, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a bit

more long to do, where we can't train the ecosystem using our own data, but back again. Ketabatarsan data, so, so for we can't,

so expertise, expert information to users, it will be required to be able to be able to be able to be it. So, sir, sir, partamom for the time. Thank you. If you. If you,

if we're, now, we're still as people, so, user. So, we have one tool in the systemer service, which is, which is,

it's, it's, it's, can be a channel alternative for the client for people, to be interact with, miscellan, making up-and-can-sust-bu-a-pacet, and, and, allop-a-machem-wallop-pacem, while even using

AI that long, the, yeah, before, the generative AI. But, maybe we, as telecom, because, because of technology enabler, like that's been more than it,

that's worth for us to explore. Contonial, can't be like platform-based, yeah. Yeah, because we've, again, have a part of the layer the last big bit more, in the basic needs, yeah, that,

you know, that's like, to try to explore. There, no, room for us to be able to be able to be, that, like, as as a, it's the, the, what, the, the, what the,

the, what name-as-a-person we're-in, it's, that can be utilized with, people, this, if, now, maybe, maybe, next time, not per-as-one, connect-a-as-as-k, like, to, if, and, you know, if, we're, we'll build in under-indico,

but, this, like, in, like, in process, exploration, like, yeah. Word, for us to tap-in, because if we're notarlet, actually, it's the lawyatta data, right? No, there's a matter

when we utilize everything connect to the world there data data privacy that related to with Indonesia that we can protect. If it's built really,

the back here, this is Indonesia's actually, and we can even be, even, there regulation that men nauging it, it's more beneficial

for Indonesia, this, if we're not, internet, too, it's been inoperable to be equalization. Yeah, right? But, the ternata, what's

the top 0.1% control, disproportionately, much more, maybe 70% from 80% from the per-economian.

because what we're not democratization to beaumcratization but idea the idea not ter democratization in a lot of elitization. I.

I. This is a. I can perkerh elitization or presenjavan. Now, this, if I think we're we just

bigak, me, unjikapi AI. Yeah, right? We have to try kanktow, but we have to bejerk to theatisation, or to the samegain.

Yeah, right? Because who has access to AI, this is the elite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But,

not, it's not beenarty who has been the idea that's more brilliant, that can't be duke. Because it's not yet. Now, this I'm seeing that people people who are people who areciliated this is not

multi-disciplinar kind discussion or even maybe they're more than they're more than buddhist from the buddalen, from spiritualist, from the people

from the people, from the people economy, from a half of filsov and, like, and, like, Now, this, we've got to be it. We've got to see what I'm trying to getchipiti

make-cangkakan something. Hallucination that's actually factual, and salah in a lot, and self-sechara moral, sallas-cash-a-at-is. And this, can, the abenhanhanes tergantung hypnosis that has been done by the peopleanah,

but if, if the hypnosis is done by the people who's a bit more than a bit more than agonarer or or not biocicacicent. Yeah, hallucinacy berucidna, not going to beaacus. And this is being a canker that malignant because of the peopleanen

now, this, if I'm inruths to be able to be able to body o'an and line, but the problem that I see that I'm, can, I think, that's in Palo Alto, that I'm

seeing technologue, too, not sabre. Because they're more than they're more than than that they're more than they're more than this. But, but kind of

that's not only just a-sempitan, but arrogance. Now, this, if, in, I think, I, can, dystopian. Mm-hmm.

That's, yeah. Now, the tempting is, if we're to analysis of Pundit yeah, this AI, delta economy now

for 10 years, $100 trillion. This is can beapplication to pertanagan, like, pernacan, like, property, like energy,

ke, like, kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of, and, like,

and, like, economy's, okay. But, but, the, like, that's the elite,

then the other than the elite. And then the economy's majeal, but if you're not with the waygiveness, how much? Okay. If I'm, if I'm from the

more to fundamental technists yeah, you know, and I'm maybe can be mottominy from people from from from the city technology because I'm a computer scientist myself.

So, so, So, So, AI is the, if we're going to try very oversimplified AI is a pattern

recognitions. He's been learning patterns from sets of data to, yeah, for he can what,

what, output, or output, we can't talk output, now. Menarick that, we've got we've got,

that's this is that's about multi-sectorals it's very true because what? Because if we from the technology,

from technocrats like that we're people, we're people, we can simple, this is algorithma. We're just just makingajarking

system AI this system AI to be consume data more, can be much, can make make

better, better, that's it. But, but what's about they're about about the same about the same there's about the legal. There's the, there's

the, there must be embeds also. Pakemakom here, if they're going to do-bisame, if the A.I. It's more manusiawi. More choic for manusia.

Solusy that can beteropkan. But, we have, we have toendangue again, yeah, and what'shaping, nungu long, like, you know, nanty, this, whether or not, when mayn't,

it's just, but it's a... But, but it's a... Yeah, but, this I'm sorry, yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, we can't, angle this,

because, this, this, we're, we're just, we're, we're, we're, we're talking, we're, we're,

we, this is sampling. There's a lot of the while upon the preambley, you know, they're saying, you know, if you're still to be doctor, but from this,

this, this, and this, and this, this, this, this, there, but there, there, but there are

that, because there aspect other, there's not, enthine the AI AI's not, yeah, which,

which, the, the, there's, there, there, there, there,

there, It could be fatal. This is, this, it's been fatal. This is that. Oh, this is matant, this technology AI, we're, we're going to be. And then, TOTO, 9, there, there's, there's,000,000, there's a problem. There's a problem with the patient who who's who has been told me. Now, this, now, it's, you know, must bea-ah, yeah, weigach, like,

we're not-you-per-a-e-a-a-e-cout-trend-trend-trend-it-cout-old. Yeah, that's the other than Vita he's very good. it's very practical, but it's very useful. That's, in fact, I'm very important. Because I'm taking applications like a lot. I'm saying, I'm going to put, do, gado gado, caloricum chalet or what. I must think input, too, gado gadoriety-gmy-cary-cary-d-gook.

I wish there's a lot of pota, then I'd give you, and I'd say, oh, nutritionia this. So, I'm more rajin for calorie intake. that that, that, yeah, that's, that, that is that, isn't, like, I think, yeah, that's, I'm saying, reset, what, what, what, wisdom, not knowledge, but wisdom, that, that. That, that's what I'm in. In front of, I mean, yeah, that's, yeah. If I'm not really, and this actual data that we've gotto,

when we've gotto, what I'm going to detect godogado and all right. Because, when we're going to be, this, this, people will be able to look, you know, to look, and then, and then. But, but over time, what we've seen, the tendrungan user, is they're, they're, long, long, back again to scrolling type, Gar-Dado, and then, that. What's what's what? So, so on the time we're looking at least,

first, it's, what, lighting, and that's, it's, it, may be able to be able to be able to. Gado-gado, maybe, becked kettled, so, that's kind of mirro-trap, that's... That's not every day, every day, every day, Gado-gado. ...secara-trak, it's...

...ascarus, it has more than... training that's notar gado-gato and ketopraff, so that's across overall, so that accruasiness that has to be pertajan. Now, but learning from what we apply this, back back to the chat GPT, generative AI,

application, now, is now, is it's enough. Training data now is enough or not? Back again to Hiramida that I said I said. Yeah.

Data that available, that's the other than the people that's that's the people that's life that's health. And if we're miscarriage of it, that's the data data not even they don't make sure. Even they don't make sure you're saying, and information that then we're giving it, intensity that we're giving to people who are in the above,

it will beacuting the other. So, malh, not memotivation, pa, malas, ma'amines, you know, jatolling. So that's what, that's what we have applied as a. Because that's because AI, it's really, like, like, it's like, baby, you know, pa, you know, right? Right, right. Now, this is...

Tenging to beckxer. Exactly. Exactly. It's right. Tregantung gurus, like, and and that's what, and that's... Um, and it's... Um, um, um, and it's... Um, um, um, and it's... Um, um, um, and it's... that's about the ethical, factual, and other than what we can't. And that we can't make sure,

that's true. Positively, yeah. If, if I was it's a lot, if you had to meet up in 2012, at the advent of AI, that's maybe the $800,000. But fast forward to the end of 2002, that's maybe $50,000.

If you, if it's about $500,000, so from the reason we can't see, we can't see, we can't get, yeah, exponentiality in the pernourunerunation, yeah. Now, this, tunduttoning upingotivist, peningotment, revenue generation, and all right. That's positiveness. Yeah, yeah.

And I'm sure that we've got to beaqqqq. We've got, let's through test touring, yeah, right? But that's maybe, yeah, but if it's still a. It's like, 5-10-year-old-old-old. Yeah. And because AGI-I-I-itonational. Yes.

Yeah, right. And that's how we humanize experience that. Right, that's true. Yeah. Nambahin, ma'amahing, ma'amphazion technology, is actually, to make sure that's, to make sure, True. Yeah.

...parto technology. If you're talking about the market multi-sector, wisdom, that, it's, it's, it's, it's,

there's, but, but, but, there, there, there, there,

community, that, who, may be that, that really, really relate to purpose it,

I'm, I'm, I'm, precisely, the, I'm, I'm, to bea,

a lot of the there's a part of the time that's open-source, it's also, there's a but there,

but there, that they engaged multisector to get wisdom that so not, so not,

just don't not be like like a pieceau, this justru just too, mag, tagem's just to all,

that, there, there, there, there, in the intuition, yet, but to be it's the same time the big source. Yeah.

If you can, the non-profit, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. That's what can make make upsaqa it to multi-disciplinar-can.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right? Right. But, but... But, but... But... But... ...that if anyone,

to close-source, pivot from profit. for profit. yes. yeah, won't ma'am this, this iserh backal elitization.

Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah. And if I see, sir, sir, sir, sir. Yeah. Yeah. It's similar, like,

blockchains. Yeah. Two years' long long. Yeah. Blockchain is a very good concept. And, It's saying. that's true.

That's true. I'm not sure that's right. I'm a democratizer. But but what's going to issue when it's involved with the world. Lairl the cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrency this

getemulah people who are taking profits who are being going toerang, this, and all the same. If I'm going to crypto, than against

Bitcoin. Yes. I can't It's the other than that. But too much. Now, it's the time that's the technology that's sane, but it's too quick for monetizations, for taking profits.

This technology not mature. After the economy that's built on top of that, also fragile. That's it, you know, sir. So, we're not, extra careful, the AI. And so we're making sure issue of blockchain.

This is already, okay. There's a lot of, there? Yeah, if I, from me, sir, yeah. So again, again, again, again,

again, can't be able to be able to. Many, though, what, what, what, the people of Indonesia, even, even, who's talented, that,

we can't, there, there's, there, there, Ms. Jesse, and, who, yeah,

who, the, idea, idea, the, and, to help to develop digital things related to whatever, that's on the other than in the world of the

healthcare, we can make the world of the healthcare can't be better, this is just a problem, you know, dookunan from all sectors, but we've got to have a peran. Telcomself, too, can't be able to give up because we as technology enabler,

so, many things that can open for people, but from the sector other than just like Jesse also, from the sysi also from funding, it's stillid to medapotkan from local because trust from locally, or maybe the way of thinker that, and full-us-n't-for-future.

And full-us'n't. And full-us'n't. Ter-batus, you know, right? Now, this, what we're hoping, actually, all sector, all industry, also, to look, because because of the endangue for

Indonesia, because of the impact the business is set effect, but if we focus to Indonesia's, we want, pastyna,

we all, we need, more than the entire sector, and we, and we, digital council has committed, but we do,

with we've been digital ecosystem that we've that we've been end to end, And then-bun-bun-dif-d-dial for the time-tem-d-d-Didgetal to be able to be able to be able to-be

we're welcome, we invite, we have T-Connect, we have T-K, we have T-M-I, that's all the bigiongains by people-tem-tomain in the digital sector, that's, correct, that. Okay, there's a person, okay, there.

Maybe, um, the person's domi-gritty, that, ma'i, that, that's what I'm like, but that's something, even if you're going to make usaugh-itsych, or make technology and other, I think the concept of democratization is something that to be honest, to be honest, as an entrepreneur, is not something that is a solo fighter, that's what I'm not being taken to be able to people, but there's what I'm going to be able to.

So far as capability, in support, be able to be able to be. Because, um, because we apply this mindset, don't be greedy, I think the fact that, yeah, it's not about monopolizing the sector.

Yeah. It's to ensure, okay, vision. what we want to actually Indonesia's healthier. And that's actually very hard to be done and with the help of TelcomSel, with the help of the partners that we have again, that concept

can actually drive us to be able to be able to get to. And I think that's my, you know, experience too. At the end of the day, if you actually apply that, the return that you're getting is actually going to be higher. Versus, if you're trying to actually monopolize everything, yourself. So I think that's my message, I guess. Okay.

If I'm like, okay, uh, if I'm back again, never lose hope on this step, yeah. Especially in the healthcare sector. I know it's a lot of homework. But we're also looking many, like, Like the generation, the energy, of the other than other tech-savvy, more open-minded,

so, yeah. So, it's really that is a lot of that is very impossible just from the government or that's just from it, or that's from

one person just, or it's not even. So, yeah. So, it's beener, that's a journey that we embark together. But,

But at the end of the end of the end of the end up, the end up to the end up, we're going to be gawonged, ma'uagumgraphy. Yeah. But if our, people, our own, our kids, our stunting. Anac-anac-an-a-kitts, it would be a bonus anymore.

It will be a catastrophic... Demographic liability. Yes, that's a simpler word. Now, that's the simpler word. Now, that's what we're doing, that's the industry of the healthingatting that's, I think, that's, I think, my end game, that's, that's about Indonesia more more more than than this, so that's even enough enough to be a bonus demography

this, really, really to be bonus. Thank you. Thank you. So you know-tom-tick, that's about Yoki from Yoki from Sel. Ray, from Ita,

and Jesse from Zikere. Thank you. This is N-Gay. This is N-G.