Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Mungkinkah Meritokrasi di Tengah Mediokrasi? - Rocky Gerung dan Tom Lembong

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Baca buku saya, 'What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang di:https://sgpp.me/what-it-takes-ytatau di Periplus: https://sgpp.me/what-it-takes-periplus------------Ini adalah kali pertama Rocky Gerung, Tom Lembong, dan Gita Wirjawan berada dalam satu panggung. Membahas konsep dan praktik meritokrasi, refleksinya dari paradoks meritokrasi di Tiongkok (sebagai sebuah negara autokrasi), serta pengejawantahannya di awal sejarah Indonesia sebagai sebuah negara-bangsa.Topik selengkapnya:00:00 - Intro01:09 - Meritokrasi di negara otokrasi07:54 - Bisakah meritokrasi dikendalikan medioker?15:59 - Mengapa muncul gejala federalisme?25:42 - Mitos rakyat Indonesia tidak pintar32:52 - Debat Gita-Rocky42:11 - Autokrasi tanda negara sekarat47:15 - Suburkan dialektika dalam kurikulum publik52:40 - Tuhan berjenakaDirekam 20 September 2025; bagian dari Endgame Town Hall 2025.#RockyGerung #TomLembong #GitaWirjawan-----------------Tonton juga episode Rocky Gerung sebelumnya di Endgame:https://youtu.be/3Zsw5RTbQi0?si=8RtOeDgdMyZYBEZthttps://youtu.be/LsmfczRIXT8?si=tsJyA757pSVClPsqhttps://youtu.be/BSwlImumegY?si=bUfMpiailYrrxlSF------------------Special thanks to our ‘Future Narrators’ channel members:Mariko Yoshihara, Yemotto IBRAHIM, hobi kluyuran, Fajar Prasetyo, Dyah Firgiani, keetkaat, Excel-lent, Arie Gunardi, Yayi Trisnawati D, Teddy Chow, Wwertyssnb, Crispy_Cracker58, Priyanithi Dharsania Negara, Widi Aphrian, hndraable, hendro trihatmojo, QunÔºáan Syukrilah, azam adnani, Charles Andrew Tang, Ariyo Arinsa Putra, Reda Bellarbi, Jaz Simbolon, Muhammad Ismail Mubarak, Wahyu Jaka, Stefanus B. W., KATE WOLSKA, pixelcadet, Itje Chodidjah, Geralt Fajar Bukan, Jack Duan, Lucy March, auliaali05, Anggun Noventina, Irawan Purwono, Krishna Putra, Agnes Pranindita, Darso Arafa, nazaruddin nasir, 747sgw, benget yakub, Patricia S, ferra febrianti, De Guda Kessa, Gusko Adnyana, mjk939, Jerry Budiman, Mawan Darmawan, Muhammad Naufal, diah anggraini, Ainur Rofiq, Adrian Baskoro, Bambang Haryanto, Ezwan Zakaria, Marilyn C, Kianti Darusman, Revolution R, Joanna FKG, Susanto Uno, Taswin Munier, M Firaldi Akbar Zulkarnain, Super „Buupy Pub” Bondon, Ferdy Reza, Elnasdi Moda, Hendry Ahen, Aria Widyanto, Ayu Arman, Ilham R, Haju Ara Podcast, Meilisva AA Taniel, Flores Exotic Tours, nonik martyastuti, Niki S, Anita Amalia, hardianiati, Maya, Dewi Risnawati, birgietta katherine, Derry Harnanda, Aleyandra Rizka Amalia, Ridwan Sakidja, Rita Sahara, Sanityas Prawatyani, Teddy Sutendi, erna girirachman, Alvin Rivaldi, Ronny Wijaya, Sam K Nugraha, Arif R3 Vibration, FBC Ponto, Stella sinaga, Muhammad Rizal Akbar, KP, Kawal Jakarta, vava vivi, Yufud Rahayun, Calvin Go, Freddy Wijaya, Toto Parminto, Bambang Made, Nova Rahayu Yusuf, Oktavianto Dwi Wicaksono, Muhi Futon, Sophia Alizsa

Meritocracy hasil can be made by the meritocracy by the military that's if there's elements people's value it's disrapsed by the power of the power. If not, if there's, okay, there's a mentry to chemplungin, and then people are people who are going to beck, that's being, that's nother,

but for people who deprivations It's the maximum, he'll go over the human rights, I'm I'm going to smearment of the human rights. That's the logic of the people's value. The government's political, we've got to launchers to build a system of the system of the lembakan, the lembagan, and,

effectively, can realisation of the aspirations of the people, then, the energy political will be into system, system informal. normal,

and trust, can't eveningata, can't partai, can't un-oaked-wagued. Thank you, my, Bapa, Ibu, I'm with two people who are very brilliant.

I will try to be with them for one time to the time and, and, you have to understand

that I'm I'm sensitive to amagery what's about my people, my friends of my. This is my friend of my time I, I've been decade. I will start with Tom. Tom, maybe, as backdrop,

and for Rocky, too, I've talked about the per-binding of the of the economy between theongok and asia Tengara. Tyeongk, 30 years'a Trague per-o-o-o-o-o-o-oerangue to improve,

10-lety-lapes, and asia-Tengara only 2.7-cali-lipat. This is because of attributes that elototot. The first, the costa-investation in the pediggan.

The two, of investasasasis in infrastructure. Three, the termed-tick-timore, and the power of talenta. And the fourth is, the more than the day-saint. And the fifth, this is that's very paradoxal, is that Hong Kongk,

as autocracy, more be able to decentralization activity economy. Politic is centralistic, activity economies desentralistic. And yet, in the other than across acrossesia-descentralistice,

but the activities economy's very centralistic. So, the shenjana between the state-Promer and the state-secundar and dairah, that's not the nature. Now,

akarned, if, in my, I'm not too much, but I'm going to pass from the tithes of theitam between talenta and kakuaan. How much Indonesia to the more can't show upasitas or the unthinkinion to selectsitilat

more than meritocracy, dibunding can loyality and or patronage? Silakan, Tom. Wow, gawat, me. First, thank you very we're on behalf of the the Jetta and Pah Rokie More rocky, not I?

This is the nose sandwich the most Mawal Ather Pekin'n this, yeah The Gita Tom Rokie Sandwich in sandwich between Pagita and Pah Rokie It's morebara-butta.

But what we said was really, yeah, I heard we talk about in my heart of my thoughts like Hangzhou, Chengdu, Shian, Tenton, and soghen Shenzhen and soghen, but but about Alibaba,

not from Beijing or Shanghai, but from Hangzhou. And, maybe one person we know as D.J.I. Yeah.

That's, maybe reproductions, per-girance, I'm from 50% from 60% from all drone in the world,

it's, the kentralization. and, and even decentralization, that's importantly, but, naturally, desensualization that's right,

which is in control with good. Now, the two, I've been from the first that, perception

of Hongok or even, the other than like Vietnam, as a subpoasasas a lototeric, that's a lot of the same perception. Sootally,

there's quite a beaubasant. Not even a person Jack Ma can build aubah and, other than there, there's many more like ponima that made we chat, end up the endok it's the name

tensent. I'm not hafal names that's TikTok, bide dance, and djai, but the government has given given me, and I'm not even though, and I think, yeah, I said, talenta, that's really, really be pertinent, and is given to the innovator,

innovator, like Jack Ma, Pony Ma, and other than other. So, so much decentralization, ironicallyisner, we're not even though democracy or democratization in context, to beacaricred a country that is known as authoritarian or minimum single-party rule. But, so, but, so much the amount, the way of the lawang,

the way of the world, the same-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-cest-a-cest it's more more than-a-party rule even, even the system is single-party rule that,

that's maybe a lesson for it's not only about formalities the primalue that, well, we're called

a process we're going to be able to the procedure, we know also as a pemilu, but how much of the un-democratization, democratization access, democratization of the world, democratization,

infrastructure and sarana, yeah. Top of the hand. Brock, you want to answer the same or want to continue to the question to the other than we're going to be able to be able to be it ask, yeah.

Thank you. Okay. I'm going to beansera. Taddy. Tadry, I must have to be the end of the PIC, PADP,

Mr. Sudarpo. In that, he's he's global engagement as a core of

innovation. Beto, yeah, sir, yeah, but, you know, that's a car of innovation. It's

I'm noticrucrucate, but meritocracy, we're nothersts global, politically, economically, culturally, and such a lot of, but there is a miss in the wording that. We want to think what we're going to be able to optimism of our, to be global nexus of technology, global nexus of education.

Soandayness, the term, I'm back. Betoal, global engagement is a car from innovation, but local management is the corestery. That's the paradox. So we're going to talk about meritocracy in the world's incourasic that's by the I'm notheria

yeah, so about it's buchery. Meritocracy in the idea but it's kind of by the community mediocrisy mediocre

that's it's so if we're not going to go to the local management to the management the government the government,

suburbism corruptions, policy that's imposition even injuice corruption, back on the endi of the quosan,

that they're that in the president Prabaw. So, it's the fact that,

Parboa, not have been some kind of to be percied by public. I'll just say, I'm saying,

this, so, by the president Pergou. Or, If you have President Prabhu, not even though we're going to disobeyed in our lives.

So, so, sir. So, so that's what I want to tell you. So, then we'll beceracquist. But if I look, more bold-eye view, more philosophical view, that, actually, in public,

there's a kind of discrepancy or controversy I'd charred by the I'd say I'm I'm inter alitreuls and public values people's value

this is that this islesis before President Prabawo menn't even President Prabhu mennucho one time the government of their has to be

people values Mimocracy People Vailis Minta, people VIII, that's important, but the power of people be watched by RACILEAS.

But the answer is elite values. Aungat some of MENTRI BORSemuny in the some kind of

Christopold. This is a revol. Yeah, but this isavel that but this isavel that. Now,

you mayank, imagine, Mr. Prysian Prabu will be Heberpidato in UN forum. What he has given hella about the United States?

If you're in casepola Indonesia who's set up in New York for Debo to ask you to say to the president. Hey, Mr. President, it's, it's a good, there resafel, but there's radical break. That there are partial break.

So, we're looking that Indonesia now that's digic, people's value do you dolewis' rulers' value. If that's not can't do you,

Nepalis'i will be going to be right here. Oh, I'ma'amat-Ru with the kind of the kind of t'n'n'ntero not just to tampon menteries'n'n'n'an. But this is

a situation of batik that must we've beenck And we know that endgame in the game game this is uproopal that's about the people. That's the pointingia meritocracy has been made by filter

democracy that's only can be perquot if there's value that disrapsed as a repuinary by the power of the power of power. If not, then, okay, there's menaceeonging, and if people are,

it's, not can't, the country, that'sasasas, but for the people deprivassiness he'll be able, he can say, I'm not over

haqasasis manusia, I'melangue, and the lawangue that's the logic of the people's value. I'll adjewed I'm using as well as we're talking to talk about

without any to provocation. Okay. So, again, back as well, that problem we have meritocracy that's from the filter

and only with the way that we can't say that we can't we have a lot of, we have been but if it, the chicilin too, the two this is the first this one is the first

people who are who is still good cicelan first abolition, amnesty, and all the same, it's good. You know, you know, you look, Pat, Tom,

but but as a small which is super okay, okay, before I'm still as well as much I'm going to be a lot of things that's bad the game still be langsun

this, this is repot I'm about Rocky, I'm gonna know, I'm gonna'am Antimo or Panadol, now. And, and always out from Naskah. Rock, I'm gonna try to menourn't-enurricular the de-estremisman. We're gawrull concept, yeah. I want to keep on top

And we're on the paradox that's about we're going to think shopping from 2008 that bullet democratization talenta yeah, right? Yeah, it's been able to, because top-down is more

more gampang. Yeah, right, and if you're on the top-down, I'm going to began snapan, megang politicis. and megallie, that's also that's undergatting to top-downinginged

whatever. So, so... Subar, sabar, sabar. Soinga, there's a bit of pertimbing to make make things all ofpapuantalism. Yeah, right? To be able to be able to be able to. So, maybe, not as radical

like what I'm iniquant. Now, I'm a question of it's the important partimbinger, tuntunuching our time is to bottom up kind. Now,

the kindlang is this, and Tom also. Tari Paguerle, about the same 88% from the Kepalurama in Indonesia not have been

Pnednedned KATHut. 93% from electorate that giovos in the area and pusat not have been Pondiqan S1.

It's a for us too much, too much the problem about the qualifies the plumpin. Because colam's little, colum talentatine's small. Now, this is how,

you know, to we can't make a memberagic, menh, and longang. So, we're, we can make make sure, can make sure, can't democry

that we're aspirations. For Tom and Rocky. Okay, in the jump-pendek, And it's what? what's the area. that's the world of the meritocracy. Elit we're in the area,

but in Jakarta. So, we must be pastiked that the need of the constitution is, the layany by the government. Now, the government, potong the other things that

from the right of the people of the area. Memonged from where? from Mimica, from Dacet, from Tondano, the place we're from. Datang from Manado. And it's been put in the

and it's been to printackan by constitution to comebaling to the area. So, don't take sentiment because there are a era. to be SBN, because of the Uprolaping, because of the Uprolaping, we're not going to give you. You justru, under the people, have to do you address can what

that's gotlenk that, the basis of it. Because money is, the money, that's not. So, this, so, it's notucrasy it, yeah,

be a bit moreobah, the principle. So, so musty-as-du-da-a-it-it-to, So, so they're in the country this is designed to make sure of the world. There's principle of central to the Uyghurban, but how much the company is big of the team Ica,

but the paycheck is to move away. Right, this is not ideal, too. Now, this is that can't cause gaugia gaugia federalism that's being called upon the same. Some of the area are only because of the principle that. But atop in the paradox, that's pronged by the paradoxes value people's value,

it must be desaiccate in percapable deliberative, not with instruction, so. So, we want to come back, democracy as a percapable anti-racial. That's what's not there.

Apocat, in Hong Kong, there's a problem that, not there, even. But there's a question. Sussarangue, who's who's who's who's in general someone who's in a group of people who's he can't be able to get a conglomerateau.

So, okay, politicna's due to be asked by Deng Xiaoping, but the economy is also by Milton Friedman in Hongk. There's a question. So, then we want to try to try, we're trying to. In our fieldalisman is quite. One of one of meritocracy is a feudalism.

Conchoism, nepotism. That's the so on the whole lot. Although we should make some kind of, as well as I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to beware about the economy and system of the opinion public in Hong Kong. One of the school in the city of Beijing, Trey's about Kiyangin. There's up.

There's sped-spedda. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. But, but the same thing, there are penguins. Pengimisnichingia, taro. Tarot.

So, we're jumbang to him. He'll, make, make, make, make a barcode. Maju, pengimisan it. But but there. But he's not corruption. The Pengal Kempongakopul Cormucing. I'm back to Beijing. I made research

Ketitkicelan in front Tiana Main Square there. There location, maybe the Gede Gede Gede SGB, divided two.

One of the right, the right, some kind of a perumacan. Tempok is same. But I'm curious that why, why, why, there's the same thing. So, there's the street that's the other than one.

There's one that there's one. And then I was going to. Gintip. Gip, there's one. He's going toerin to me, some kind of, like, in a lot of mineral that. And it's like, look, the topot's good,

the down it, to, be rampantakan. Rumma chompang-camping. Sementar the right, it's all right now. I mean, I've got to talk about it, there's been tomma-kechil. He said,

he said, from the world, same. But, the right, it's the left left, the right, has been a lot. What is,

that it's a lot, In the one gedong, there's eight gedding that's eight-eight, there's eight-olding. Artign, in the room, maybe eight-kali-eight, there are eight-le-lawgare. So, so it's still, disembunified,

the disparity social, that we know, how the government of the Hong Kong this, make sure, so it's not to be public. But we must be critic, And there's there's there's there's there's I'm still about there's

someone who you know about the people that, he said, the government Beijing has a program forbaican room there. But he said,

he said, you're from where? I'm from Indonesia. I'm a journalistian, I'm nipu just. After she, that, kind of,

I'm, kind of, the, the, the, the job of the house that's just the top of the bigot the

the blocker the structure of the every month, he's just like, it's just, it's just, it's, but the foundation that must be ganded, so. So, we must see that as a problem. This is not we're going to impleadka what the busuk in there, all the world can't know that.

If I'm going to talk about China, then the Donald Trump'senang, too. So, again, we'll look at it. But we back then, what? What about what we can't doleism, to make sure that's notherstorese? So, but to beauntletal-lawed, not from the un-ungulant party politic,

not the connexion politic. So, again, teapot, if we're saying that, the money-pennedicant, must be able to be able to be able to. But what's been happening. Yes. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I'm the middle of the middle of the the same isma that he said about 16 trillion that's about 400 million Sementer that we'll get, how President Prabowo hendok, that meritocracy this also can't do with back up

projects, proxiaean, eating, the day, who's now, the 5,000 of the carcunan. Yes, datamah, there's there's the

the people that's been like marauda, that's been able to make, marauder, that's about, that's the power, that's the politic of hope. Because of the, because of the, because of the recruitment, talk, talk, people, people who's yeah, yeah, marries not there. So again, again, again,

I'm always, because I'm always be sure by Mr. Gita to make sure can had run in his own. Tom, there's comment. There's more. I'm going to say, what? Becanda. First, I'm going to marat

what we said, and we've ever called this about a while, yeah, when we're dinner in our country, that's that's about the the part of the

population of the under the predidiqued, that's DETA to SMP, it's mean, it's underp, that means of the

future, there's a there's and, we've been about a few days later, yeah,

we've, from, from years I've been, I've got that, that's a

mythos that's a is built by the elite, that that'seradest, you know, but I'm not even though I'm sure that, especially the generation of our own our own, it's the generation the most cerdas in the

Republic. Why? Because, because there-le-le-past think of peddican, more S&P, This isa-generations, this generation-greens used to be used to different different. So, yes, we're not sure we're using to different kinds of content intellectual, naturally, too, much content that's been hibur or even sampah. But, also, content that's provocative, which, maybe, maybe, for me, which, maybe, for us, not perforcianourn't ever,

not ever, but, the content from the world from where, yeah. So, for me, this is the generation that the most of the person, because they've been

because they've got to beckoning content from where, one. That's one. And, and it's true, I think, now, they're still-tipatat. and they're not yet, even though, even though,

even though, even though, when it was already, right, when the sensation of the water came out, muncule, then there's a lot that resourer, even, hader in discussion panel

Indonesia Lawyers Club, There's a layan that's a lothaparant. There's a lotis. And, this is there that they're beingung. This is a nalayan. This is a nalayan. This is also there's a certain peristue where there's a sort of peabitakance that maybe

could be a lot of house. a manorah, in the people, in the people, in the people, in the people in, there's, there's a video in, there's a worda biopanation with the ministering to, all the bongued, this is, this iserogynist, why, gomonging more systematic, more logis, with data, than the ministeringia. So, that's one. And the two, how much welegaghan, how we're the other than begaghan. Perubhaphan, you know, can be bentok in a bottom-up.

Maybe I use the principle that same, like in the long as in the economy. If the government, manapun, gaggle melancharkan, systems, then, not all, but, but many, economy, will be in formal.

Now, with that's the fact that I'm also, if the government or the impan policy we, gaggle, to make up

a system, system, the lembagan and the lembagan that formal that, with effective, can

be able to and realiseration, the people, the people, and energy can't move to systems informal, yeah, system informal, and to sector informal. And I think

podcaster, podcaster, influencer, talkos, figures, figures, then, the people who arega, who, which, such a spontaneous, um, for Pagouban, or group, or group,

that's the formal, in a political. So it's happening right now. That's what's going to be. And I just want to retort the example of this in Nepal that, that, he said,

He said, the Mentiary is it's the landanguing to the songai, yeah. The only condition is quite chaos. How they, finally, them'll make them believe the people who are the same generation mudda, all were all around

online in a Discord server, the part we don't know what is Discord, that is video game chat platform, yeah. So the platform for people chat while playing video game.

Then, then they make point polling in there. I'm a big idea. I don't know much better than polling in Instagram or polling on Twitter. And, the most of the same thing, lulling, through a video game chat server, is the manton-kutuagonged Nepal, a one of the people who,

who don't have partai, not have had the way, but he is the righty public, trust. So, there's a lot of the time of that. It's a lot of the truth. It's a gooderan and trust can't unilhackan,

We can't eveninglegged partay, can't even though. The other, the other than the other than we are ready to make this court server to be able to show-a-can that might not be able to be swaract

through the jolour-jol-jol or systems system formal. I'm, this, this is some of the fact that'sraxed or to getchempt. Maybe, the whole that's extreme, that's

the same, the absence of meritocracy, sojave or the same, accountability that that's, it's not there's, it will

be substituted with authority. This is extreme, and we're, and we're We've seen, in many-mah-movey, in the world mayasque, negrable, and the country miskin, that, it's parcerion of the policy with opinion

public, this is becoming lebar. If we look popularities the people in Europe, just 10-20%, but not know how much, the bigiqaqaqaqaqa, to, still just not, there's a problem. Tom, that Tom, that's about about

repalibration lewetka-cabration lewet, lewetka, Metsos. Yeah, right? It's maybe

episodic. But, if I'm the secular, which is the long, the fact- to make-

repatriation, so, because accountability there, and credibility- there, and that just- -st-er-imbanked

authority. Dibunditability is, Dmitability not-ad-ad-a-ad-ad-a-cult-a-ad, it's substitutusy by-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-tort-a-old. Now, this observation, Ro.

The second, the counter-dary-arguentation is, if meritocracy is, And even it's true, that's even if you can't because it's segregation.

People who can't have been margorithm. Yeah, because maybe he termarginalization. Yeah, right? Ifalady, if not if they're facilitation for he can't

to be rank up, that's risko that we have we thinker can If meritocracy is extreme, it's it's kind of maybe a Darwinian, so he can marginalization who's not evening or be able to beckon.

Silakan, Bung Roque and Bung Tom. Okay, who's who wants to write dissertation S-3 is the topic this, That's not that meritocracy, that's the, it's the bailout by the authorities, that's the kind of being able to beainging. Now, just we'll imagine it,

is it a quirkirkirkirkersy, in a carcinian? Tidda. If Darwin, we're puter back to backang, constitution because of our own because of the world parcapismatical

when making the republic to make make sure you, become a carjaan, become in to the Krasycin' to be a carjohns, and the result of the power of our own

our own to beckar and that's the foundation of meritocracy. Now, the question is, why pertenkankaran is it is this public, in the

public of this. We mustpastique, we can't make sure we can't make sure that we can't make sure that even global nexus if we're putting, if that's based on capacity of thinker that argumentative. Now, the question is, is it like the founding parents our founding parents'clock? Tadha said, Pat Sonding Father Salad.

Founding parents or founding person. Because in the people in the people in a lot of themapes. Just to make sure we can't imagine that. Coo-bye-you-hmming-a-appoint argumentative this but to, really, we're restall, we're reset. Because in the first, origin of position our position our, is a perdebatan. Amartia Zen, menulis, the title of argumentative Indian.

In India, in the end up argumentation, every day, from the world, in film, in the world, so India, it's trained to be argumentation. That's the word Martisan, Amartia Sen,

also Martin Nadegawa, have comepunnerative, today. Now, now, we can look process what, which embattelk, issue

argumentative side to in the time, and now they're not. that's the parlibegaan nilay-nilatimocracy. Democracy is end up with argumentation. But it's makeandalking

that there curriculum public that did design in deliberately, to make asexiline to make sure can't the ability with argumentation. Now,

school, school, we have because of the publican there's no way to sootocracy need to becuths social,

even social political, and the situation argumentative. Endgame for up to start with it with

this, this is all, right. So, we just can't also, that the power,

the ability can't end up under, even, defisit, because the to-to-

people- party, not-to-parte did not be argumentation. But the money political It's a argument Not this is the same thing we should we're

If we're reset To be put the original position On the default position we're We're a country that we design To be argument But it's up again That we must be mulled With we must be muley with

And this, the lembago this isle the same thing that's important, this forum this is the forum forumptioning this. This is forum that was called by Socrates as public sphere. Percikaping it is to behesilkan to be able to, okay, the problem that is to beckxed by the same person.

I try to give you. that de-meritocracy that. You're going to be a lot of legislative, executive, unicative, all the same kind of, only with mandalking the same thing, so we're doing the meritocracy we're not, but the member of surveyorses,

but people of the demigibility survey, can't make sure, Tiberitability. Tiberitability. You're going to be a lot of people servant, the pruropotability. The other thing is ethicality.

Ethicability. So it's from the first he's from the way. He can be a job of public, melancholy public, so back servant. Mankahcability's due to do you.

Okay, after the other than epitability, the other than the other than the way, that's thelectuality. Mampu not be be refigure abstract, befickre theoritis. Because complexities problem we're with the world,

there's a gender equality, environmental ethics, human solidarity, global security, it's need to be merluckus to be the world. Not it's about it's about it's about,

the idea of, even who has been able to beckyck, but the issue is it, Palsu. So the parameter that musty you, want to be public servant, soko political,

toco public, lulus, not ethicality, lulus? Okay. Lulus, not intellectuality? Lulus.

Barro, we just can he do-o-eachability as. Jolast-Septing that. Part-e-a-Bitability is good,

pastikability's back, then we can't do-in-in-old-each-o- -re-re-cability-. What, What's now?

electability is that's that's about kind of the k-khan. So, basis this is that we should make, to make sure, to make it

more than it, the more than the political. They who are in the backang we we're far,

Sukarno, Hata, Shahrir, Natsir, Ranguna, Sait, all the same that,

I'ma, Ska, Trimurti, ...withal... so that's the principle of politics. ...butting intellectual into politics, but bring politics back into the intellectual. That's the point.

Thank you. Tom. ...taddy we asked... ...accuntability and risk... ...otoritarianism. First, It's very very much as well, if the people's not in the publicatric

accountability, then, the people will make up against other than in other in the group of the media social. So, maybe, it's been done, the Menter, the Tlajangin,

and to get alonging to the song, but, online, there's already some of course ofletic that's quite, thelewaten, um, mucu umarra public.

It's been like, it's lanjangin in in virtual, online, and, really, really, be, and be

abysi, yeah, by public, in media social, in online. Now, authoritarianism, I'm very

I've been seen one influencer I'm gonna see, and I'm from from who? He's from who's from? He's not, not get-tem-getarine. He said, authoritarianism is a last gasp of a dying era.

So, authoritarianism is the napas, napas the last a path, the last, a era that's still going to be left, he's going to be at last. And if a system, if you're a good, they're not quite he's not in the same way to use the method and authoritative.

He, with a strong of self-reiberate, and to hear the sound of the people, melioling the world, there's no way to use of it. to use of the way that's the fact that's not just a system, and a lot of a lot of the problem, and it's not having no idea of the way of the methods of repressive. Now, authoritarianism is always gagged, ...because the same is the other than the other than...

...because a partaker... ...tendipoli, it's not designed to... ...mendaliki a population. ...you know, maybe... ...weborgue people, people know that I'm not... ...that I'm not... ...a matematous or... ...sacicicentara... ...tentara active TNI...

...kre around hundred thousand thousand... ...tentara. You, personnel, TNI, say that's just a million. Polarie, maybe, could have been a million, one-juta, we'll be able to up, so, for conservative, there's, can't be a conservative, for example, yeah, in Poli. So, the Gapuio, called the NI, Poli, there's a lot, who piquet, who piquet, who who has taken to beckonet.

So, yeah, it's, all of them all of them all kinds of weapons. Just about 4, Population 285 million Weirga We're out of that Fromkka that, Lansia,

you know, say can't just we have 200 million young, the people people, people,

so, the personalia Tennipori is 4 from 200 million, say, say,

2%. Or 2%? Or 2% from 100. If you're about half-addle-ad-ad-ad-ad-ad-ad-ad-ad-ha-old two-law-lawed-lawed-a-half-old. As a matter-manimatis,

not-one, whatever, from 98, people are madame. Let's say, 18 people just madame, by 9-8, be had-haraped-a-d-traped-a-t. It's, it's not-embang.

So it's a lot of the illusion. If you know what in any kind of any kind of any kind of any kind of in the context of whatever, yeah, is the world of the other than the world ussia, perpoliticaan, if a political, if someone people, you can make make sure the end up the method of repressive.

This, this I want to move from Tom, de, keglesa'an. It's maybe because there's many things, or many alasant. Maybe one of the is ajaran or panutant.

I've been a lot of guru. Singapore, Taiwan, Korea and to, Taiwan, and Hongk in fact, Tyeongkoyangok, too, It's notherstation in the quality quality of the quality of course.

And this per correlates their to make actualisasical nilay apopun, technology, economy, even buddhaia and social. Evened just redistribusies public goods.

And they're not tangung tanguangangangue to compensation guru. Singapore, you, the gajiness $4,000 a one as a girl. I've got to be busa

like how much, about how much more than in lawy before, even though, and in the S.D, only 500,000 per boulan. Now, if I'm in front of us, structural,

for we're as soon to makey paygazion or the endapotant for guru so, they can be community multiplier

that can be underlisan to glisans this, sopiae, so they can be suntek with ambiiiiiiiiiii and succour-sucur

co-hukyan. Rock, you can a person guru? This is there? Yeah, uh, I'm goodo. I guess I'm scourgues, because of anguor. Coup we'll see.

Let's look, the method of pedagogy our, which should not, and I'mbebasked guru with murid, the other than murid,

Muridactica, can didactica, the dasharantia, though, only in the dialectica, muncule didactica. Dialectica's, it's, no,

no, because, because of the power of politics. Politic, we're hierarchical, federal, authoritarian, it's also subcultur in class

class, too, even in universities. We can't say, we can't say something as a basis of Weapons because there's hierarchy, because of the

there's hierarchy, who's got a good group best, who can't make sure that's, that's making mimbar academic.

Nacch, too. One time, I was to endang to hearin promotion dissertation, in the Unusas

Indonesia, I'm, I'm going to talk about in this, long-lame, I'mgap, there's a

question, the stisisis that's is the promofendos sorry, because they're a woman, because he's a woman, like to be he's got to be able to see

the people, I'm going to be sure, I'm going to be sure, I'm being, the same, the people, you know, you don't have

a lot to becairate. Why, I'm say, you know, you know, you're doing, and, so, so,

Dalil is that And that's right to beaunuching To beaubasant Oram-MUritsy dissertation Tradition Europe is that like it. Begitius, when you're going to be able to, you're saying,

di-acquoing as member of community of thought. So, And if anyone can't be able to hangat-lain. Not there is in, it's only feudal. If you're going to endang just to look at the tawakening,

the right now. This is what? This is what? The United States is in Indonesia, who, who, who, who's using the theme of, what do you mean, what is the meaning,

and impactable. He's rubbed, it's a university, Indonesia, but, I've got, left there, U.I,

ungul and impactful. How much more than impactful? That's the two of the sameatting. So, I'm going to give you to give us the truth of, because it's true, because it's true, Pat, Gita, if you were, from curriculum public. If you were the curriculum public, not makeersil can't have argumentative society, the result of the public, the lembago penedigan also,

melanching the same, not even merlucked argument. So, this is critic I, and I want to critique this, to bea-tarm-down. Now, recruitment of the right now. Guru-honorer, because the part of the heart they're being the heart of the year, do-utamakan

to the guru-gur-you-dust-a-during. Seaghani-an-besar-angaran-penned-in-a-penned-a-cuitan. Tiberinting... ...the-unit-cola-cola-dina-sini. The school-umumumum, crisis liquiditas. So, I want to tell-can it, So that's what, UI, Ui is back on the function of the problem.

This is about the problem that's all over-counteran. I only want to ask you one question just. And I'm very sure, al-a-a-pudelilis, God, I can doodoo-an, I'm just the friend-decat I, Tom. Tom, does God have a sense of humor? Good. So I only, not only God has a great sense of humor. Soh God has a great sense of humor.

Sohan Allah is really, really, world-biasia. It's small. So we're looking at the rechanal Tijuana. If you're talking to personal, nine I and I'macara'u-christ, yeah,

uh-huh, uh, uh, be itchior, uh, be communicates with public, with communication with the,

the hakeem in presidangangue, and, um, and, um, and, argumentations,

argumentative, yeah, so-be-buing-be-be-y-d-l-lombellaan, the I'm everything yeah because I'm

because I'm even even though and the jacquesque to put in not to I'm

not to get to get to funnick four and time in the some of

the people of my and I'm my time support sympathize just yeah, what's just because of the same thing. Abolisi. It's like Tanya Tanya Tuan, that's right. And I know there's power of it, there's, there, actors, actors,

who are, make usul-can, amnesty for Aston, and Abolism for me. But, this is all clearant-a-as-tall-a-old, and abolition to say. But, but it's the case like that's the rest of course of course. That's the end upnesty and abolition, which is not overrelibeian, if we're going to be a story, historic. Because, as I know I, this is only the 7 or 8thalapal. In the pasturesh, in 80 years of the Middle Indonesia, It's just a bolisiesie.

And that's how great-bate-bate-bate-lawed-a-lawed-a-lachan-law. We've never, I never know that there's a barang that's about abelisie in U-U-D-Fat-5. And I, I, or even thinker, all of all the sameo, never that I'm not even because of the power about a bolisiesi

but that's the abatting the Lord Allah we're making or made made sure how much not-bredaill we're not being with the

otherbassaner Rangana Tuan Allah one other one one guy we, that we who we don't say the name Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

a lot of the favorite is always fair. Torn it is always adil. Yeah. And we, we're a couple of days later, when dinner in our own, we got, um, somebucked about karma. Yeah. And I, I'm still,

sangue, same, I'm not sure, the human karma. Yeah. Tadigued, we did we're, also, for you know, for you know, for you know, for me, parochie, karma is like a human, yeah, where,

so, a lot of real, yeah, maybe we can't be able to define, definition from the elmoo physics, that, something that's not ideal is, something that's not-seimbal. So, in-out-the-lawed-a-eimbangan, that's the same-safe-safe-that-sa-al, that's-haw-allam

will bea-quilibrium-na. That's manifestation from, Tuan isma-adil. Maybe it's notarer, maybe it's time, maybe it must bewarean, maybe we need through the waylaugulikus, and through loombeaulylems, and the water in the twas most tipis, the saljuuner the most in the last but,

but, the better-and-and-all-al-al-al-up at the end, and the adelaide-al-a-tur-tur-wit at the and that's the abid-nawaw. Amen. And Tom Lemong and Rocky Grong.