Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Nadiem Makarim: Siap Dihujat Demi Bela Generasi Berikutnya

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

Mas Menteri Nadiem Anwar Makarim berbicara tentang peran pendidikan rumah tangga sebagai pondasi pembentukkan karakter dan pola pikir seorang individu, faktor penentu  kesuksesan pendidikan usia dini, hingga bagaimana terobosan-terobosannya dapat membantu melerai benang kusut permasalahan pendidikan di Indonesia. Percakapan ini direkam bertepatan pada Hari Guru Nasional, 25 November 2022. Terselenggara atas kerja sama dengan Ideafest 2022. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #NadiemMakarim ------------------------ Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/628119182045 Berminat menjadi pemimpin visioner berikutnya? Hubungi SGPP Indonesia di: admissions.sgpp.ac.id [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: https://endgame.id/season2 https://endgame.id/season1 https://endgame.id/thetake Dengarkan juga di Spotify: https://endgame.id/spotify Kunjungi dan subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@VisinemaPictures https://www.youtube.com/@SGPPIndonesia

Nadim, is the part of the experiment of idea with endgame. If there have seen in the month September, I've been about I've been about about Nadim, or mas-Mentry, it's only a few months

before he was in Lantick as a MENTRIEN, and I'm supposed to act surprised, but I wasn't surprised. Because, from, I've seen, in the d'is-Mans-Mentry, he, really, really,

the soul's really, is really kental with the importance of policy and the importance of nation building. Now, in co-womenade, I'm going to ask, we're going to be the most basic really, what's been

as we've been the last in the front of camera in the month September in 2019, until now? No, there's same. At the time

to the government, all of different so, from from the room we're more

more than so much, so we can't imagine, we can't be able to but maybe people who

usually in swastat, if CEO that's saying A, yeah A that's that's what

I'm, I don't have no power with promotion SDM I,

I don't have There's a gaiji, the career of my, promotion, incentive structure, not there's ever, it's, it's been to begank the ministering. So, I'm trying to run a ship, but I have got control over the SDM.

Yeah, so that's a little bit of alien for me, when first time coming. The two is, the budainess, when I first time to, not-turbia-uped to be able to to bepupiaect. There's a little bit of when I first

If I'm going to come back, I brought some team millennial, yeah, right not to be on to be it, in there, right? So, I brought some of the team here, Dei, dee, this one of the millennial, a teman-lame.

Now, when the first meeting with dirjans, dirgian other, the meeting before we've got COVID, that, team millennial

I, like, in the sector swast, they're, I'm going to me and at one one of the

one of the team said, you know, it's like not an idea that's not idea that's

maybe more more than that that's more than immediately drop that there's there's been not just to say not

to say not to but even even saying the idea the idea of the not bad

for me that team that because that that that's that one a little a cuthance

small about different about in the time in the time during the

time they're doing they're used to be used and now discussion we're debate and the

time and no matter no no there, no Bte Bte Bte BCHAN and we discusses for

the country so that so that's the three perubbation personally for me is profile

high profile so I'm I can't I can't to mall, I'm not to restaurant, without there people who

come to want to make selfie. Because... Because... You'll be able to be able to people,

people who, people are not they're right to get selfie. That's like fundamental human right of

their right. What else if you've been byer? Yes. If you're bad,

it's, but it's not not it's, this this, this, this is, this, this, this, this,

at, , this, this, , this, , this, , this, , this, kind of, sometimes,

di-tark from Corsi for selfie. So, adaptatislah for I, for I'm high-profile

role this is too much for I'm doing that, that's the most the most that I can

be able to be able to be able to be born, who will be who will be people who who will

get-in- me, ask-n-nob- I'm-gul-s- and always there-a-gend- certain. So,

for a millennial, it's strange and awkward, that's for me. So, that's the other big. But,

I think, from the impact, I have to say, calh, sector swastah. So, from, if we do we're doing

some, and before it, and the sector swastas, I, it's quite, the, but we're

on, in the peddican, that I feel, I can't take the hand with a

card, the, dampact that the, 10,000-greens generation of the future. So that's what made all the pain worth it, like, so that's the big for the

the biggest. Great, great. Okay, we try deep dive on the pediccan. If the education, we're often, we're thinking that the most in the is the room-tangue,

to build a one of a child. Tell it, how that. Big Bud, or to make up or what you have to do by the people who are the people before they go to school, the other. Yeah.

So, there is a set-batassan from the room-link-up from Kemenikud. We have not control atas-rumatang. We only have control to the school

that's limited control because school is in the above the capuptan. For you who don't know, SD and SMP is in the above the capuptan who they have So, Mending Putris-Tec,

not even one of school. And for SMA and SMK, it's been by the level of province, more more rumied. Cuman university that's that's right in our so, we're looking at the university,

the more drastic, that we're doing. So, there, there's a bit of principle of one of the one of the

community, we've been a, the center, And in the PUSADPENDRAN, I don't know if you've seen, there are many of many of the video viral that we've out about sexual violence,

about intolerance and inter-agamaceming, about perundunging, there are many of the videos that more more than, yeah, Gen Z to-Bawah, that, the other,

the government, like, not ever will ever video like that because some of it can be deemed controversial, but, We're taking risk to to be it to the generation mud, that's about

values generally in the young people. But if we're talking to people people and room at least, I mean I, one thing that's one thing that's important is how much people can understand tools the tool

to increase literacy and numination. And tool tool this is very simple in the room but, but but it's, but it's

a part it, and the part of aspect and tool that's

important I think yeah, yeah, in-at- love yeah, if that

there, that's not there, repot. Yeah. Tool that the tool that is

the time is a time. So, no, the, so, we're just

we're not ever want to make out resource that's the most the same

the resource the same the same is the way and the time we can be able to

talk about tools tools that I think this is especially for the other for the

child when they when they are being remaja they're like people who

can't make and they're again the amount of the impact we the

the same the more than in the five time 10 the first.

I mean, I mean, I mean, tools that the most effective from early childhood is book.

This the power of book and memacaca and makeacan book to the kids like magic. Really,

magic. Don't ask I, it just works. It just works. There's no other different

explanations, pedagogy, science, psychology, and why. If you , if you bachan book

to to the child regularly, the data tank up literacy he, the ability,

he's, the ability, critical thinking, he will make. That's the book. Second,

discussion. Yeah, so simple. This thing so simple. I mean, I've been, I've been, I've been

very much talking about the same, the time when he's, not be able there iPad, not be able

other gadget, when we're eating is, do you're doing with a day, yeah, pick a day, if you can, or a day,

or a day, if it's about, if you're not, but decide to what about the cadence the, and be able to

and becair, and berbicarate, and it's not a way, people think, a bit of people, I'm giving

moral message to the people, this is, this is this, this is being, it's not not a word,

that's, it's not it, it's, it's, the impact the student who did lecture just with the professor and then, and then back the end,

the impact of the end. Dampen it's a very minimum. But, parents as a guru, if he had discusses, bollack-balit, he didn't ever think the question that

a not-bodoo, the question that the other or the question maybe not appropriate, all the question of the question that is

the time for the drive by the So, so, so, to reactive, reaction positive to have a lot of important. It's always

and I'm always answer and never e'em just, that's a difference from critical thinking. That tool the two, questions and discussion. And the third,

the tool the tool the best of the people can be able to is an emotional tool, to, and, that's a, and not perhue,

not peru, not peru to rather rumied, I thinker. Orang-tow, it, has always meyakinkan that he, the other, the other, the parent, the other,

this is the same like guru, no, no better than. So, if the other, that's always meakinked an, I believe you can do it. I can do it. You can do it. That,

even, you can do it. I believe you can do it. And, you can do it. And, it will be able to that if the people's the people who are the people who they're probably sometimes,

yeah, can't, people who are the people that's always to be sure with him. It's maybe I can't. Maybe I can't. That's the beginning

of growth mindset. So prerequisite from the growth mindset is the belief that you can do it. So, it's maybe three tools that we try

influence guru guru pengraq we're in the land. Now, the end-un-unct-it first, we're going to guru first, the students will convince the the parents, because he'll see the kids'nobu-an-tum in class.

Now, with Curiculum Redek and Guru-Goo Pengaract, and school of Pengarach, that many people, now, now, Mr. Menti, we're, we're really, because,

because, because I'm curiculum-D-K, my, team project, with the other, team project, so, no,

Yeah, but my son but my son's about school now, first time. So, this, this, this, annaugue, because suddenly they're working with his schoolmates, he's engaged with the process of the learning.

Now, same as in the room of theangue. To bring them in whatever you're doing, cooking, look, this, we're looking at what, we're doing on what, we're doing in the laptop, whatever, bring them in into those activities and they can make it.

Kira, kira, great, yeah. Okay, we're, okay, we'll talk about T.R. but maybe before we're going to talk about predacatance or whatever, like, that has been doing to be with pout. Because, we're,

we're plototot-in with data about malnutrition that, maybe, still not be able to beck, stunting and, and, so it. So, the thing is, where to untick software as a good, maybe, to the people of our kids that before the year nine-tawn.

That's the time where the form of the utac is final. Now, that's what that we have to think we're to be more to beckon to the kids who are putt, to SD 1,23, and so forth. So, one thing that's just one thing What that's just enough to make-sewka

is the initiative the best our initiative our best our to, at least, to give some of the power that they deserve, is RU SISD NAS. So, there's a reason why the minister and the government

that, not, to give up for pout, than the other because we're we're going to learn that's nine-town. S.D.

and S.M. It's undang-undang. You know, university, Economically clear and not no need to justify why we spend, for pout really, made attention from the government and

society, we have to make pout that's part of wajibalajar. So, at least, in R.R. U.S. Stignas, wadjcabh, wadjcic is, it will be 13 years. Why, 13? Tamach 3 SMA. That, 12,

then minus 1, pout. So, so, so, all pout will be formal-kind. For example, for the first time, in the history of Indonesia, guru guru pout will become guru formal.

Now, this is not guru formal in Indonesia. So, they're not able to get benefits,

the unkut and other, that's more difficult. But, unfortunately, RU SISDNAS

is, the RUISDNAS, the prolects Prioritaz. And, the possibility not can not can be able

until the demilue. So, that's one regret, that, yeah,

in Kemeniubut RISTEC was that. It's a pretty much other things that are good about RU. Syngas

that, but yeah, because of the kind of miscom and, and, and, you know, we know,

we're going to talk to talk, so that's actually, it didn't happen, so much so, but,

to answer to answer the there, there, there, there have a problem about all of all is the

guru's, want the same any other people, have allot, alat APE, alat, the game of

the best, no good there's, if guru the education, the teacher is the most important

thing, right. Now, what about guru that, is the first from the selection

guru's that's the important. So, from the research we that's the, that

makes guru, the potential guru, not not good enough, like guru good enough, in Indonesia, we're good enough,

it's actually not be correlates with the heabatatant, the ability of their, in terms, test, assessment, academic, same, and, not. The important, the first, level one, is, why he's been guru.

One of one transformation we for PPG, which one-torn training before being guru, that we're key, now program in KMandek Putristyck. We've made test more difficult, test, the test,

the end up so we're in the year, so we're in the same year, and the mainstice to make the program is, you

are, you want to be a guru why? The reason why, and there's questions, and there's not be able to be wrong

on the alasance he, why, why, is the factor the part part of the ability he's being

good, because, the ability to the growth mindset. So there are two questions that have really, the important from level conceptual. One is, this guru,

is because he pengen to help the kids or not? So the first is orientations to the and the other is, and the other is, is, is this is the growth mindset? Guru is, is not, that he, as a guru,

can be able to be better, and automatically, guru who, who can't be more that's, it's, that's usually, they're

more more than the people, they're in the way, they're also, the growth

mindset is men, that's not, if they know, they're being more

better, they're going to get into more, and same also with how

they treat the kids, the people, and they also, they can't

be, I'm kind of, I'm kind of quality as-3 from school

the school the school the class the potency every one of the

people, the people that's the most people who people who is the guru

that's that's the guru guru that's who are on the potential

the people who spend the most time with the most time with the most time with the

person who succeed. So, it is one two is, from the part

pout, phil-safat process the the same, the other at pout,

they learn the most effective with being this is there's there's there's there's

chalistung not know you know that's charistung yeah so that is a

dogma where the child that is that they're that the same but

it's through the worksheet worksheet so so they drilling to be

to be to be and hitung when they they're when they not Calistong. Of course we want to teach,

Baca, to Lys, and make hitung to the kids, so, there's misconceptcy like Mendig Putridistak, not want, people learn Calistak. No. What we're saying is, the carer gacch. Because the child umur 5 and

6, if they're just in the worksheet like that, yeah, okay, he might be learn, but he will be associating school with a certain one of one of one that's a lot of bossank, men's achid-kind painful for him.

He will associate the process of learning with an experience that negative. And that, damage is, the damage is, at the time, yeah, was in class 3, 4 S.D. At the time, Indonesia, the other one of the world

in the world, bach, and it, and it's the umur-pout, five, six, class one. The illir-class-em-em-class-em-foured, He had been with Finland, all that's all, all that's all, all the amount of,

and allan, why? Because that leap that leap that's too because we're dealing the early in the end up,

not too, with format that not menendan so the basic philosophy is school that has been and we're going

and we're making up the Pout that, and we want to transfer it to S.D.,

and S.M.A. that's what we want to do. That's what we want to do. That's to be very, because if not, the child is, what is what you're in the school,

from the SIS content, Pa Gita? It's not going to have a dampak meaningful to their career their career. Everybody here know, after

after S-1, you start over again. You learn all over again. It's not. All the child in age 35, you know, this, so weird, why we're just

mean, why we're just mean, to tell us because the campus Meredaika, to the person. The most important is making lifelong learners.

And to make lifelong learners, you have to make school engaging and fun. So I would say that. The three, unfortunately, for pout, you need toys. You need learning tools. That's the most necessary. Because it's hard with a child to engage them without physical. So, soarana perasarana, and art of the education and educative,

it's very important for Pout. And finally, I mentioned the most important for last tool that same for the same for the parent. Books, books, books. drive literation our, pa, we're and this I'm one

one of the part of course because I have to make sure people who bureaucracy that I'm

not want to drive literacy we're back, book, book, and book book,

book, and book, book, the book, debuts, the pub, the perpustaka, um,

the money to spend for book book, curriculum, not jelas, there's book

book becococ tanam, for the of the kids of 5. This is it's put in the school of SMK is very imaginative. I don't know why,

but yeah, they have to spend for their data boss, because there's allocations how per cent. So we're ganty it. Now, literacy drive, I'm going to say, I'm going to think book that not

book that's by the people, or who have, who, who, who, who, who, who, this, this, by this, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, book to people to children and now this is our program our best our program our best our our book we're going to to be how many of the schools

now? Can you find out? What? 12, you're distributing. And that's book of book book that are book that people who are going to be and can't be

that book and back that book and back. There's a problemalistic moralistic thing about this is la-lis book that's that menager can moralists. If we target the target is more than the

other thing, the other, that's what the real literacy is. So that's what true literacy is. So that's, great. Okay, deh. If you're talking about this, this is a braken with the

the importance of our kids to, and Instagram. Wow, it's hard. I'm a bit, a bit, about this, I'm at least, I'm,

to, and I'm dedick, to not, not to see the HP just like to eat, it's more to 5-5-year, but, now they're discipline. If we're like to eat, the other than,

automatically, not to make up-hapy. And, rata, our kids are our hands to 9 to 10-10-jamb. The many, TikTok, Instagram. Now, this, there's book that's great there, there TikTok that like it's more krean. Now, how this, it's the,

not the kind of, we're not like it, This is one thing that I always to tell you always to tell you how, my son's my son's a chanduance with gadget, that's not, it's really, it's just soo-bagnet. Yeah, yeah, if gadget access there's

it's, it's all, it'll be able to beckle. PR will be able to. More, more than, a friend can be can't. That's more damaging, more damaging, relationship with our and our kids can't not there no other than

there's not even no other who can't not there can can't be what you're what you're on YouTube

and TikTok and Instagram or game to be the human human one of 5 and 15

10 years that's not much it's it's not much the brain

and even to what other other other than another one one

that's it's right Zoom He will figure out an Android in a while a few minutes. And that's too fascinating, too engaging for him.

So don't try to fight. So I mean I'm not win that battle. The only way to do it is remove that this. You need to remove it. So in the room of the house of my house, that's gadget. Yeah, at the gadget,

well, the gadget can't be used for photo dada. Want photo dada, or we communicate with with nennet, and other, or the friends, yeah, they want to nelfone, can't.

There, that, no way, that's gadget. No. No. No, no, matter, every day, I give, a half-gum

to watch film before we'll. But, but rame, we're not too, we're not doing, about discussing, bachan, what happened to Elsa?

Is she right? Yeah, right? Seminar Frozen, that's a lot. I have three putry, so on the, so I'm, so I'm sorry, so seminar that's just, Frozen, sometimes, sometimes seminar My Little Pony, that's repot, but. I hate that, I hate it. Sometimes we have do the things we hate.

I hate my little pony, I don't know why. But, but it's been able to come into rainbow dashes struggle, but, but, uh, but, uh, b, but, uh, for people, so for the people, so it's the way I say it's how, yeah, why? Why, why? Because if not because if I'm not, my dad, I'm gonna, yeah, how?

You can't? You give a lot of alcohol or or, or that, or or, or narcoba? Can't? Not, right? Yeah, right? If we're talking about

things like that, we're, there's a reason why not not being, because the brain is still developing. Yeah, same a-as- just, just. Don't give him that drug, too,

that, if, if you can't be limit, oh, but then, but, but, you know, the law, why the lawusant is that. material, school, and other than,

okay, if you're rather thaning Android, the price is, is it already is not? Yeah,

not? So, that's not a lesson if you can afford a laptop. Okay, for the criteria that economy is

rendah, it's not. This is too another Android in the roomat and many people are inundia.

But, the complaint to me, the complaint to my complaint to my middle-class to-at-a-at-a-at-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- So, I think I, at the end of the day,

if the other people who are getting to tagging with gadgets, it's also, the child he's concerned. So I always throw a mirror, but, the mother-bapain, when, on the gadget, not, and, just to diem.

So, it's hard. So, it's hard. But you have to remove that element. You have to remove it. People, too, many who, I'm, I'm not more than 2 hours, Amasa?

Yeah, mingue, lago, per day. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I, too, to more more than more

more than, and other, I've got to be not bach coran again, not to see TV. It's,

but I don't know how, I'm not tegue with the child. Yeah, and this, if, I mean,

I, perukey- from, from the Rumsah-Tanker, policy-maker, politicus, and civil

society, in the world-society, for our good, for the good-day, we're okay, we're maju, because if you're going to talk TikTok, many of the more. Pisa, yeah, right? This, is one of one of the one, when, we can, we can, same with Vietnam,

before we're same with Singapore, the size, and stem for the children of 15-year-old. Score our, can, is still, compared Singapore, and in other than Singapore, and other than there's a roadmap,

like, is it relevant? If, anguplas, semi-relevant, roadmap to the front, how to we really, really can rank and, and, thank, succor, y'allip. That's a great question.

The first is, we, we can't not be able to without economy the GDP per capita and then there, no, no, there's no, no, there's a country that has been a system

of the education hebrated, that's not, so, with GDP per capita, correlations very, so it's, we're going to, so if we're to endangy Singapore,

we need to GDP per capita our our, we're, which is impossible. Yeah, right? Just go-a-a-a-da-da-da. So, forget that. But if we look like

in Indonesia, it's like many of the other in Europe. If we're looking at pizza score of Jakarta and Jokia, it's similar with some of the little, maybe

the city, yeah, in Europe. So, we don't say, it's not, the problem, the distribution, but, again, link-in-in-a-kata, economy, okay.

So, first, there, there, CAFEAT. So, we have to be, thaning in the other and the countries that's the GDP per capita is same. That's in the league that.

When we're in there, now the question is how we're making up this. All that we want to do and, and, is it important? Yes. It's very important.

That's the alasance why we're what we're the name, the ujian national, we've been and we can't with assessment national.

Assessment national is very similar with PISA, because it's focused to assessment, numeracy, and literacy. So, don't remember, as the important the pisa, so, we've been thinking, we've got to beckxed, but the instrument that we've got to make up to the system of our education

not to not even with the instrument global world. So we're one of the one one's one that's one with the standard of the national. national. And what's cool is, we're first that we're in the first who wants to survey character in national, where intolerance, sexual violence, and perundungunging, it's, in a national assessment. We can

mapping every school. And, set up on the media, that's, the first, the country that's, that's, that's, that's, that's very proud of that. I'm very proud, we're very proud, we're very proud, we're doing to do something. But, but again to the question, what will be making up to this? All program our goal is to make up to make up. When will

be able to that's that's hard to answer. It's a reason why why this is why this is

this is much if it's one, if if it's one, if it's already from now it's quite

10 years, yeah, I have not in here, I don't know there, I'm who knows, who knows, who knows?

So, that's, that's what made I'm just that's a lot we're not can't be able to

see how much but so the first is the first is that we're taking measure what matters first,

measure numeracy and literacy and literacy soingga signal to all the people are the people are

how much the people that's the jejeelin information in suru gaval there no

there's there's what we we can't what we're doing the work that

that's first. Want to jettling what, did drill, want bimble as much, so much information they have put in,

that's not important. What's the thing is, what the number of and literacy test is. We're using a certain

context, one problem, now, the child, can't, not, can't find solution

from information that in the different problem-solving test. Now,

that, that, that, actually, the message first, that really It's just got to be able to belaugher. So, every guru in the area

in this is learning, what that literacy, what is numeracy, a bigonginging in where, what what, but in the confusion it, they're perplexed to learn. Oh, that. So, the process-ness that's important, though.

That's not content, the way of blackerner. The way critical thinking is to becipped with discussion, with question, with making berkeley and many many mutations, problem. That's the first.

The two, Curiculum Redeka. This is, it's directly impact the pieces. Because the first, curriculum redacta, there are three big change that we'll do. The first is, material content in curriculum,

we pankas 30, 35%. We pankas. We say, not perlough, not have this matter matter, medallami just in each material

that essential. That's the first. The second, what we do is, each guru, first-kalliness in the history Indonesia, be given the right to move or to move or move to with competencies murid. So, this is a nekh-a-annhexed,

the way, guru, like, in Papua, in class six, have to teach at the level that same, the other, the other, this not not into the acal same this, this, why, when the World Bank,

when the World Bank, and, all the kids in Papua, yeah, they're two-tawned, there's three years to be in the because yeah,

to the next gurons are the currulling, currugulm, now in Curriculum Redeka, guru is slow down.

He can't move down. He can't go back and also he can be made so, so the group

who are other group or one other group and so on, he can't get to the year

back to the year so on. So, that's, that's, and one other that's the other one other is that's about, for, Tadignor,

Pagittal, the schedule that is detentucan by the government person per week. Imagine, every school in Indonesia is it, how much time,

the time, the time, the time, Basha, Basha, and other, times, per Mingu.

Now, we're about rentang the time per year. So, if there's school, want to make

make sure, there class, school S.D, guru class S.D. , want to make that we'll make sure that all of here can't see the three geometry.

He can't one week only focus on the three that so that's not that's the other than there's a little bit of the so that is, that, that is, and the other-bursed

powerful. And the three is we're taking 20% from from school in the class to come out class to do work-based learning. Yeah?

Guilitaries, climate change projects. Project like, Bersi'in'Colac, project like Juga Warung. There's one where the other people who said, "'Anick, my son, my son, "'Ing'u'nitung, "'is'nitung, that's... "'Darie,' "'from Warrung, it'sur."

"'Daronged School. "'That's part of the project of Curiculum Redeka. "'He said, like, how, "'like, how, the, "'anak, the son'ser, "'N'a, he's sooenang, "'because, of course, "'senang, "'because you're doing all this real stuff. "'He's really stuff. "'He's empowered.

So, climate change It's one of the one of the most of the project. That's all of the project. That's all of the time we're giving potential so everybody learns, so that the final one is guru, and this is the biggest. Guru, there are three prong.

We've made sure an application for guru, where, the name's platform Redekam is a program medica-manger. This platform is MOOC, it's an online university for guru, for self-level up, at wha-one-one-mow-quered. It's an uploading platform for they're sharing best practices

to other teachers the best. Because guru learned from other teachers the best. This is a sort of mythology that can't teach gurus their own craft. This is not correct. So, guru is same as music,

same like, the other theater, same as skill upon in engineering. They learn from peers their, and more jagued from them. They learn to mentorship. And they're, so we're

making one platform, where gurur-gur-i-gur-in can form digital groups online to saling exchanging best practices. So they learn from each other. Now, more than 2,500 communities of practice exists virtually, hybrid, to build community of this, and, 1.6 million gurus on these platforms,

downloading pieces, sharing, uploading, and downloading. 100,000 upload, pa-gitta. like we're going to put uplaught. Guru, re-recam-diriness, make sure, and then people other people

download the guru so you're creating a learning community that's digitized and then finally in the lower that's training in teacher training

and finally is what I told you about PPG. PPG program is a guru baru, darh baru. Darha baru

is already have had had been mindset that best that test it has got and he has

put ability to understand But, for disability, because disability is there in all school, not even all SLB we can't be able to be able to be able to beaugh. That's a majority. Undiagnosed. Anac-a-DHD., how big is in Indonesia, no-a-doch,

not there are people who are not going to beaute or disruptive, a manned. So, how much that is that we have tackled one per one. There's much more, but it would take days. But, that's about it's some pronged strategy we're to make making up of literacy and numeracy, which is pisa, that's. This,

this, when I had school in the other-negary, that's the other than the other than America, that's the number of 1,000. Now, in America, it's about 9,000. Dullo, in the time of 80s, it's, the number of people from Turkey, Korea, South, and, and, and, that's almost same with us.

But, now, if we think, Korea, South, is at 1,000. Turkey, in at 100,000, India, 150 to 200,000, Tyeongkongk, 450,000. Tyeongk, this, can,

a country that's been a part of five thousand, but, but, but, just ause to know to in the place

in where, in Europe, like, in Australia, in America, when, or how, to, we can look,

people, in any way in scale. And this I'm going to book us in the dimension that's the last, that technology. Yeah, can, if we're going to learn technology, yeah, maybe in Indonesia, okay, but in other,

there's also, there's many of places okay. Silicon Valley, like, hangjo, or where? I, too, medbakan when Indonesia, can be there

representative that's in university with scale that because if we extrapolation population 10, 20, 30, 30, to the time, it will be very, like, make the banks, and other than, like,

realistic, is it? For there 150,000 people in Indonesia, in Europe, the West, we'll learn, in America, learn, the, the money and then there, and the un-inin-a-knit-na, and the other, and, and,

there? I'm, I'm not realistic. Very realistic. It's very achievable. We have a $7 billion dollar endowment fund for the name is LPDP, who just came Dikbutt to help me-lose-in-lawed to.

Sorry, I've got to two minutes. I was, I'm at the West Coast, there's a volunteer, a child Indonesia, who's school at one of one of universities program Meredega Belajar. Program Eisman. Yeah.

Tremn, not? Yeah. I'm even to agate, agate. This is a bela belabell in from from from from from from from from from from from from from and again. But, but when we're asking,

I'm, I'm, that, beneficiary from the program of Ms. Menti. If not, they, not can't be from Joghya,

and from there, exposed with a buddha and new, system of the different, and, and, yeah, reaction,

I think I'm going to be multiplication with multiples that's a more big, so sorry. Yeah, uh, so-jujourn't, we, with all of the of the under our own-outasan our aggatan, all it takes is money and political will. It's really. So what we're doing, in the time

cut, in the rancul LPDP, Now, a huge part of its manager, management, and operational, it's, we, program in KM&A Putres. And we think, okay, if our KPI our people are how people are how much of the amount international or penalaman that's relevant in the campus. So, for us, simple.

So, we make the program Isma. We've made two programs. So, we're two. Because, the solution is how do we get kids to get accepted for full degree program in America, in Europe. But this is too long, because, one, not many people are you ever being canceled. So, the threshold to move full degree program in programs the program the best program the barrier. And not because we don't have kids, one of the ones that we've got to beckoning is, Why they're not not so we're

We're going to come up. We're going to go And we'll, we'll give you LPDP scholarship for S-1 if you're going to program our and you apply

That it didn't want to apply That day, it's a couple of times eight-laping Laptance rate from before, from the rata So,

so it's the game of getting into University, Pagita. Of course it's possible. We can give, we give, coach counseling, which is currently available for people are people

for people who are from the area, we're not, we're doing the same resource, like the same resource coaching, SAT, and other

and other than that. We're saying it's a ratio massacic is a big. So, that is one of one program we

to make a full-time degree. But, can plan, and the agarance more, to beaian the amount of

the American that, if if, if, if, if, If not so, if not so, conversing is 200-anagan. Okay, that's one. Program Isma, that's innovation, Pat Gita.

We, we've decided, okay, this is the time if we're going to go all full degree program. So, we're doing program, where we break it down into bite-sized chunks. One semester in the world, exchange abroad. Because that's, the impact of 0-2-1 is, it's out of one-one.

From one semester just, you transform a life perspective. From, Yes. More more more accessible. Jail more more people who can

because we can scale it but that's the name is program Isma. It's 2,000 per time we're per time. But all you need is money to scale up to

5,000, 10,000. So yes, over time 150,000 is very, very achievable. By the way, allowance that's it's just for for the ratiress

I'm going to America in America to. Wow. I should check like it. Like yeah. No, no.

The Burger King. Burger King. Mr. We can't. What's it, we're trying to pay. He's keh-khan-bagnan to payer. I'mampu, pa, the lawan-sac-coup-pa.

Waddu, this, the mentry's great-bank, I said, I'm-de-de-de. Curangin' D-a-Kourghing, not steak. But, but, but, but, but, but, like, I'm going, I'm going to,

I'm going to be able, Is it not, if we can do you make a pedoman, 1,000 of the kids' young, lullusan, in Bimbellin, to be able to beaughan, in 3-bush, in 1,000, in 3 months, in Bimblein to be able to learn SAT, G-MET, GRI, three-year-E, like, 4-bun,

then, and then, Bimbellin, to get olympi-a-de? I was just about the... You just described our program. Okay, thank you. That's it. But just a scale of a small, oh yeah, 1,000, jebole. Yeah, that's...

Yeah, this is kind of, kind of gil, like, thinking, big of little. Yeah. But how, for we can look at 150,000 people in Germany, 150,000 people in Hangzhou, 150,000 in America, sergat, maybe 75,000 in Australia. But, the place mannapen,

so, we can be more kren, like. But I can challenge, not, for us. Uh, this, this just the wawancara, but debate. Oh, no. Yeah. If I'm, one of one thing that I'd want to be a little challenge is, okay,

universities asing, hebat, hebat, are great. But, now in Indonesia, 420,000, since campus Merdeka, 420,000 mahasisua should have been in-golkampus to work something in the campus, whether it's product Isma, or they're into a technology,

they're into unicorn, He's going to technology training in industry, or he's going to teach in one SED, in the area, one semester, and other, and other. So, there's who non-profit, there's industry, and other than. Now, now, let's try to look at apples. Prospect to the point, value, and okay, we'll take a top school, Pa Gita. I don't want to mention, bear, maybe they'll be marrains. Pick a school, your school.

Taked to lemper. Tomah, ah, ah, ah, ah, okay, Stanford, la, la. Oxford. Oxford, okay. Pick a one semester. Okay. Now, back in one semester

in Oxford. Amazing program. P.P.E. , misalance. Politics, philosophy and economics. Or, maybe they're a biotech engineer. Now,

imagine, that's, a second year, work in one one multinational biotech in this, is doing work program

vaccine MRI research in. It's been now with campus Merdeica. Banding in BADE-MIT computer science versus one semester

in travel locke boot camp engineering So, where, so, not know, I don't know the answer. But I'm thinking, why we're making, this MSIB,

magang bersertificat and study independent, some programs, why we're making all over corporations, class, dunia, and then the accredited university along one semester

is, we have put in our own, we're too too long, if we're trying to make a transformation, we're doing

all universities and transformation too slow. We have to make undergraduate experience that, universities it has facilitation

and uncuracy and curation multi-sectoral experience before he lulus. Bearing it to be there, there's not,

there's, there, like that's like that you're who's going to do you know in the area and the world in Maluku

from one semester and then. After that, program the two he's going to do you know the program Bankit Google

where he learn data science real project semester the semester the three he want to be an entrepreneurial

study independent where from from the the result Google bankit's he, he's

making business and that's a super student he's he's out from it than than

he's just about eight semester in the engineering background he, that he's

the background that he learned from the students, that's all combined, he's superhuman,

he's really buff, get out. It's not people who are people who are being used with industry

more more more than time, the money, the gajiness about two and three times.

From the Rata Rata Rational. So, for me, it's too slow. Because Kampus Merdeka we need to leap.

Because I've got back, we've got to get to that's just, it's all the narrative, that, that's all right, that's the leader once in a while,

that's just, that's just. Don't, don't, don't, not, I, I,

and we all, not, we're not, we're just gems just, why not scale the ,

the speedan, the I think you're completely on the right path, okay, barring, that maybe need to be supernacaned, but directionally, this is okay, but I think,

but I think, one thing that I'm vocation, yeah, you're product from the opportunity to be communicating in the international, yeah, right? And, and 10% of population we have passport, or less than 10% of population we can, is the national. Can't, not, if, if 100,000 people Indonesia can't English?

100,000 people Indonesia can't baza Mandarin. 100 million people... It's a game over, that. Game over. It's game over. It's. If we're in order for people,

it's allse. They're just able to getchae like what, but we're neaceab back. Orang Singapore, jago gnaw like what, we're ketchup back, we're ketchup back. Yeah, right? That, I'm looking with with the Mata Kepalas

and there's a man, people, or a man, or another, in two, three, English, in two-bunals, in two-bassian-bassian, got a work on as concierge in Hotel Gintang-Tee in Indonesia, in the East, one, he can put on the table for six the people of the two, and the two,

the two, he may think, he's like Captain America, he already can't be able to beck, because the confidence's there manifestly in whatever he wants to rake to the front. That, is, you're hanging fruit, to give-eighing how 100,000 people can be in international. That's a nation building,

that, if I'm in my opinion, I'm saying. I'm sorry with Pat Gita, that's game changing. Yeah. It's low hanging fruit? Not, see. Not gampang? Because we're still

working that, we're doing design, we're trying we're trying program how much. We're thinking, there's a few options. Are we mandatkan

the language that's wadip in S.D? Because now, it's just the SMP, SMA. Okay, maybe that's one option. There's also option two, that no other

that's no use we're not going to do the S.D. It's just lead, everyone, will find people who can't can't teach English to be guru English. Which is reality for many of the school in Indonesia, can be able to say,

majority. So, we're more more than this, I'm thinking, this, this, Pa,ita, how we can't make English, that, English, yeah? If we think it's English just, the most common denominator,

can, the impact of the most that's more, okay, arguably, Mandarin, but I would say English still, number one, that's, now, now, in our way, to give them to give access to all the guru, guru, guru, which has been there's now,

the time to learn from native or semi-native speakers. And, for them, really, we're thinkattinged the ability. It's more scalable, in our than to make-a-smobile, or to make-mobile. So, return on investment

from an godfassian that's a good-other-old into a different than two-case-reiber-

the impact to the people and the number and the leverage from the leverage of

the learning the more time. So, we want we want to spend in there.

Because it's really the problem, because I why I, why I'm why I'm saying this

not low-hanging fruit, just like, the guru or or moreate, it's very small, that's qualified.

So, we'll make like assessment standard, so once you pass that this, anyone can then

teach a guru, but I, I, I, I'm sure, we've been we've got been backan

if we're natural resource our natural resource it, that would bea over, it's game over, we're really

giant, plus renewable technology we, I think it's amazing. But you're right, English, When we're,

we're going to have an interbucka to make issue slot guru that's very important to teach

kids that that should come from from the world. When we can get made the Pemnang

Nobel from Africa to be to teach at campus in Sumedang. Now, it's.

It's. We're, we're not like doctor. Doctor, can, not, practice here, at this, no, not. Guru, we'll.

How can we can look at with scale that really tangible, like. It's hard. Yeah, they're now, they're who are, they're able to

their school, school, school, yeah, majority of school in Indonesia is the school that

more than people, people, people, people, but, not, the majority of is that more, more, more

more mishkin, from schools of the school of our own, because, because there's UN, that's one of one that's one that makes a problem that's not able to bimble, not mampu, not macket,

you're, who, you're, who, you're, who, you're, because the people who are more mampus, that's, that's,

that's, that, and, and, and, and, and, Yeah, all, all all know, all's all right,

so when you're going to get in line yeah, right, right, yeah, that,

that's one that's one, there's, there's, there's, there's same time, so,

my first policy was that, Deng, but, I think, it's hard because, because cost

Yeah, cost is a lesson, I'm not want to be slimut in the under a law.

Sorry, yeah. Sorry, yeah. Okay, okay, this, but we're, we're just result-oriented, if we think a healbohlogy in Indonesia

that's did dig by the people who's the most people, and he might be from Ethiopia, from Ukraine, from Liverpool,

from Nebraska, like, but do not. But we have to this, what is what what is in If toilet's

the toilet we don't even need to invent the wheel, but we'll have there's a tucang toilet that's able to bring in this. We're paying, we're jaban. Yeah, right?

Now, that, waddu, if that could be a good one, when I was around America, when that, after UN, I was, I was I'd dole of that. Jualan research project

with universities, with, to be the top top university, Georgetown, MIT, Harvard, and and, and, and, So, so, so, so,

so, the academic, academic top in the world, they're not they're , they're

there's research opportunity that there's there, that I'm not, they're they're

there's there's so, but that we're we're, we're, there's, there's,

incentive for matching fund, the industry, and incentive program for industry to universities. There are practising, many people practice now co-mengager with docent and in Baye AIL we. There's another incentive program

that's going to go dog, that's about how we can we can elibatting researchers or or penit from top institutions to make and be collaborating with researcher, our postdoc, our research assistant

to work on research in here or in the other than we don't know, if we're doing the other than the other than the other than the team with them, there's a lot of the day because at the end of the day is SDM, we're going to let it.

So we're starting that in small ways, but the good news is Indonesia is golden, what yeah, Indonesia is really, wonder world for research. Apopun what's now is hot we have

We have from aspect maritime. We have, whatever climate change we have. Negative and positive. And that's what's interesting for them. We have rainforest, we have the devious biodiversity underwater, we have coral bleaching, we have a problem demography, we have the impact of climate change that can be able to make sure of ecosystems.

We have, all kinds of there, this. that can do not be made research. So, that's, I'm doing to out of the world, to bring, to their interests, their to Indonesia. But, yeah, growing,

just now, interest. Now, university, university, there's, more set up in here. Tomorrow we're going to another,

I can't be able to be able to be able to. Cepard. But, that's, you know, now, gantre. Gilaarang, the first,

come, this, this, this is, this, yeah, right, yeah,

but, look, okay Monash doing okay, okay, okay, yeah, the other just out, we're first time, we have a foreign university in Indonesia.

Isn't that ridiculous? Just that's ridiculously good. But, but why not before, that, no, there? Yeah, because you were not there, you. Bokone. We're doing to doa so, Nadine,

still there's at Dikwood, yeah, right? But, but, this, this, this, it's still there, can't, how, Panitia? not, still okay? Until at 10.

Okay. No, no, this, but, but, this, but, I'm going to try, this, if we're going to do, what we've seen what we've sacksick

for the last, the per-b per-of-a-per-allang-a-oh-a-counter, in India-Tong-Ti-B-Nas. Asia-Tengara-tumbed PDBs only three times-lap, in 30 years in 30 years.

Tijuana, 10% the United. That's the other than Asia-Tengara, it's, actually, not many, just four things. Underinvestment in infrastructure that's already

in the United States, under-investment in the education, that's already the geber. The third is, the first thing, so, in Tionkot,

they can't let's the one per-one people, to, nine I mean. In Indonesia, 0.3. It's maybe be correlates with some of the one, one of the first one is full-use for for money, and two also maybe risk-taking. Now, the last, maybe governance.

I'm looking at what what's happening and in the future in this, this is there a place for Asia-Tengara, especially Indonesia, to be able to be more than three-cats, PDB per-person, 30-tawn to-de-day-day-point. And, what other than use case that's great-again

for the importance of peningatan productivity, which are correlates with pediggan in three sectors that nata, one of the first of the marketplace that you were there previously, two, jasa kewangan, three, aviation. From there, we can't see,

with low-tech just, with enabling from low-tech just, this is donegenech, this productivity, What other than high-tech that inevitably will be a result in five or ten years to the past,

then what else other than other, yeah, petanian, ke, pediccan, care, care, pari-wisata,

like, property, and, and, like, this, this, gila, the opportunity for kids'nud who and this, can be crookin,

this, from the side of the development, infrastructure, and line, like, how,

in game to 24, 45. Anguple, in 2045, that's, 23 years from now, GDP per capita our musty-capital musty-notes more than three-cathed.

Now, this, if, I'm going to say, this is, this is the but not as-penting penitian. Can't juster, not?

I mean, I, one one one one If it's the most the most it's a lot I'm not

because the education same the demerjaten with different different different

other than let's make so that if we if we have policy economy or industry

that more-bias friendly-friendly that which make investasas as much much

maybe flexibility in labor market we're and like school

not good, good also, the land and the work on

the way and then they're going to but it's not, that's always, you know, that's not. Minimulking the talenta it, they're backaloo,

yeah, there's, too many codependency line to, because, but but the education is one of the one thing that's that's always in addition to

is that we can't we can't make system system of the head but economy not jemput ball that's right I'm really I have always I always always always always this solution

all one of one one that's one that men'senang-can being made made make made make good being made made for me something that's what's done

in Indonesia is silaken to me Corruption, Pendidication. Yeah, can? Bakar Hutan, Pendidikin. Yeah, COVID,

Pendidican. All is the slaghan Pendidikas. So, I'm just, I have to live with that, that, you know, every day. But, I mean, I think, there's

many kinds of factors that can be able to be able to podcast, yeah? I think the endgame is how from the same asdm, how

how much asecap what Indonesia to do you dovassies in institutions, institutions, and we have a good

because baseline we're still too, it's maybe it's being seen as the lemahann but I

see it as advantage. If we're baseline we're still low. Resicco our to try to

other things also red. If we've been the system of the system of conservative and I'm

will be able to people and I'm doing all over other work abrac, but because we baseline it's quite low

yeah, dibenical economy we're much quick the way this is this is

window like COVID when COVID that had so it's window for us. Okay, this all like babbuck blurt.

We're right, we're really, we're always people who are people who are going to be able and from the end to be able to do

things more extreme perubhanes. Now, in myruth we have a casepatenation if we're re-emagination school and

universities our and universities we're inovative. It's a initiative innovative. Lucute So,

people So, so, so, people, people, people, want to,

people, want to again, again, get trained, the young, and creative.

But, there's one other other, say, and, man, don't

make, what, clinci perci process, system peddicaan we,

I'm this, because this is the ironic, the person, it is

comment that's very men-cellac-can system our system pediccan. Because how our kids are creative and innovative, if school only not creative and innovative.

If school not the right and did doork to make making many different experiments, innovation of the way and learning, and the right

to gagal. There's noamination without the right to give up to gag. So, every school and universities have been tried other big of many different things and they're

going to be able and it's positive, it's good, they're learning from the regalance innovation, like we're doing, come from

the gagalalalal that's real, which makes resuscassan big in the end up. But if schoolhack

just be perboleck to make other things, don't expect the kids we can't grow creative and innovative.

That's just just, logikin's simple, so. So, But, I think that is comments that said, don't make the system

system of the education we're clinchie percibollah. Then what, want to diem just? Don't get ridges. We'll get unrelivexed. It's not relevant like industry.

If we're still like this. That's what's going to happen. Yeah? School will be a place, process, yeah, just, well, has left.

People are not not thinker again. The next generation, he's thinking how we're the parallel education system that will be made. And, of,

if, if, if, people who can't who are more people who've been who've been able to people sitting in this room and the other people who are there aregueraghan who the most of the help don't get help anyone because they

are one of the option is that melancholy school and school that they have so that's the game changer for human capital is the people, the capital, recter and rector, mercer, I should be an innovation hub. I should be doing all kinds of

different things to get to to get paid a more relevant and more men's more men'senang-kind for our kids. That's, I think,

that's the gist of it, that's the gist of it, that's. Great. Cren. This, this, I'm many, many, but I'm not-enact,

this, with Panitia. Maybe, the question the last, one other, can? How would you have done it differently?

As menace, as a minister? Or, or, all the okay, okay just, there are not

one, two things that can be done with other than other two things that still,

it's the musty try to answer. This is there's a part of that we

don't do that we not to sandung. Some initiative that I said

came from from different many kind of the the

first iteration project, there's a goodgaglan this, but we're just stick just taking, while we're having had to be the bestensity that there in the world. So, so it's just to say, how would I change things differently? Maybe if you really ask me, I would have liked less pain. So, maybe, if I would have liked less pain. So, maybe, if I'm going to have more time, I'm more, maybe, I'm more, I can be more time to be more communication with public to make sense. But because I just have this like five years in and I'm in calculates maybe I'm thinking

I'm justicat siket but this it's a lot. Or we're not make sure the program that but but the people

more more more than dukeum. Yeah, I'm just the plan I. I'm not work for the society

in Indonesia now. I'm working for generation for the other people that's in

school who not have have voice now. That's never

did ask with media. Not never be interview by TV. Who never comment

comment in social yeah. The job I was to work to work them.

So I'm taking that's the decision. And yeah, if you can't be

shak, we're going to be different different people but probably

not five time this, we can make make that the

the other of the other things that's very difficult to putter back. That's just. Anypun the president, in every program that we've got we have to make make sure that minimum scale to make sure that,

or that are people who are people who are not bad who are going to make up to back capal this. If one 1,000-6-6-juta Guru has used one platform, try just to take it

application from Guru. See what happens. If now 420,000 kids out of campus, try just who's who who's who's who's who's who's going to do, demo, right? If they're not getting the right, so, they're not getting the right of the program, if 20% of our school,

the head of the school has got a group of the medirang, moment the commensryan, will do anything, and then, goal is, okay, that's the trade-off. This is a thing, this will be a time where I can have I will have many of the

I will have many people who can't understand or I can't have to be able to explain why this is important but I know at the end the end, the other from the bigi-bijacking and as long as it has become a

a agrakan, nothing can stop that later. Hopefully, that's the deal. Kren, as always. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, Mr. Mentree, on this

for this. Fork thank you. In the end game.