Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Neneng Goenadi: Jumpstarting Clean Mobility, Supercharging Local Economy

Episode Date: July 22, 2022

Ladang subur para pemain teknologi di Indonesia bisa jadi bukanlah metaverse atau web3, tapi perubahan iklim dan kesenjangan kesempatan ekonomi perkotaan dan daerah. Apa saja yang bisa dilakukan? Sebuah studi kasus bersama Grab Indonesia.  #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #NenengGoenadi --------------------------  Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me//628119182045 Berminat menjadi "policy leaders" berikutnya?Hubungi: admissions.sgpp.ac.id [e-mail] https://wa.me/628111522504 Playlist episode "Endgame" lainnya: https://endgame.id/season2 https://endgame.id/season1 https://endgame.id/thetake

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today? Nogh. Yeah, you want to hear what? What's, what you're going to talk about you you're going to

commitment and passion you, on the In the city, small, UMKM, and other than other. Okay, sure. Seru, too. And, I'm smart. I'm so, I'm happy.

I've been talking to, if I've got mkm and mobile electric, that's great. That's great. So, yeah. Thank you, you, Na, can come here. This is NG. Hi, my, time. Hi, we're coming Neneng Gunadi, country managing director,

to grab Indonesia. Neng, thank you. Can't come at the endgame. Thank you, also, you know, give a time to be able to gobble

to talk about in game. This is a word of I, sorry, we're lug, we're just, if were been in-gna. Yeah,

because we've got long, and our people have been long, and then, it's not not-enak

if I'm too man-gul-mun- people, I'm not-ul- -l-l-n-tack-un- We'll reduce a little. What you're doing. What you're doing,

this is a manifestation of era that's great, which is a strong with technology, and by generation Z and penurus. If I'm more Zed, than millennial. Now,

this is important for the kids in Indonesia. You know, you, too, how is it, how does it, the process is how much? Like, I always, I always ask about latar-belakang, where, T-K, S-D, S-M-P, SMA, more than how it's to make you to be able to be a person who

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because of it's different, yeah. So, yeah, I remember from Cerebon, then to Bandung, even I'm from back in Bandung,

that's, I'm going to be in a school Catholic, right, from TK, in Santa, sorry,

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the child, you, kind of, with back up, and then, sometimes, they're just to beajointed, if, if you're taking care, or consignering,

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when I lullus SMA, daftar to un-part, the, I was, I'm, I'm,

because I'm, daftar two, when that, not pede same as kind of, this like, it's a good, it's a lot of, so I'm daffered two, in four.

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Okay, I also really, I'm really, I'm really about with a story, so I'm sure, so I'm, so much, sojourner,

so, and I'm kind of, I'm going to be It's not in the cedararha, man. Not in the doctorate, you know, even I getteran in the doctorate

but I was also in the cipel, unpar, so I'm finally I'll pick a civil, because, because, my, well, it's just,

you want to pick what, so I'm going to pick the civil, I want to go to talkeran again the second, I said, why?

If you're like, if you're the first from doctor, you'll have chosen Maranata, right? Yeah, yeah. Why, you can't do it, that. She's really, you can do it, that's... If you're going to be doctor, the woman's going to be able to doctor, and, and then, he'll get it up to the day.

And then, now, the job's the way more than I'm going to be more than. Bera. Yeah. And then, yeah, I'll do. I was, I was, I'd like, I'd have done MBA in Cleveland. Yeah, then, then, then, then, I'd go. Because I, from there, I'm not going to work at the world. Okay.

Where? Worker. Pullang, and then, and then, anderson consulting. Okay. Narrick. How long?

So, until you'd be big boss, that's it, I'm really, it's really. Lama back, more than two decades. 28,000 to be precise. But that's, it speaks a lot about loyalty, dedication, and it's not just not just enough. Yeah, right? Yeah, because in consulting firm, is always something new.

It's very dynamic, that. Not never stand still, and you always learn about thought leadership all the time, you're coming, and it's always always different, and I'm very, if you're going to see what we consultations, then, then, implementations, and then the client feels appreciative, that's happy, that's happy, and,

And then, and then, what's what you most the most of the consultant? When that? When that, the last, I focused on resources. Resources, so oil and gas, metal, mining.

Very, very, with focus you to the front. But, but, but, but, is a challenge, you, right,

really, It's not a woman, but yeah. But, yeah. This is really, this is a paradox, you know, what you've done what you've done that you're kind of with some of things that

you're talking, with what you're doing what you're doing that. I never never, I've never, because I'm not

looking from the challenge just, So I've never seen that this the world of the world of the world, the world of life, it's all the same. What's the challenge? That's the thing.

So, that's what made me? So, not perna, wow, if this, not can't be not even, I never. Meskipun, it was, when, it was, to, you know, to mining site,

side, really, really nunjow in there, and then, he'll look, this, he's a woman, and then, first time he'd ask, this. And, basically, if in mining, kind of, a young, like, yeah, you know, there's a ceweeweeck-cook-cook, said, be underestimated.

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like, because, we're really, we're doing the client, and we're really, be filled, like, not the back of the meja, too, because Accenture, can, you can, implementations, right?

At that, the project operational excellence. So, really, really, seru, and the women are also okay from team, team, that's amazingly, it's even the other than the young

also, good, how, the result is okay, we're going to be able to and we're looking, and the result is okay, this is, for, as, as inspiration for the young of the children to the front,

You, in the time, you can, in the time, man-dominated. Right. What recipe is? Mojo's what? Mojo's what? For you,

it's just, just, just, like, things like that that's like that, which,

for a barricade for a for a career. In the person that great, man-dominated, even,

even, can be said, even if, can be said, very male-dominated. Actually, if I'm looking at, it's a lot of myths, so, wow, we're not, we can't do this. No, that's just. Same-a-huh.

Prempoan male-laki is same, and myth, met, we have we as a woman what we're, uh, what, what, it's, you know, so, so, if you're,

if you're, if you're meeting, if you're when we're not, not know, when you're

like, want to nuk time, uh, , or I'll be to talk, or I'm going to

what, that's, that's, it's, it's, For me, it's a myth, just. Just say just, and, and, even,

we're just always open to support, to be the sponsor, to... ...that, sometimes, people, like,

gingsy, want to make sponsor, like, can you be my mentor, if, if you're just, like, Now, how, things that is that

that's what is to be because of the people in any other, or in Indonesia, in the world, because when I go-dulled to we used to make, what-nambay to, what, name, survey, and, and, ternata,

same, basic character of the people, in where it's same. And that's that we must we, we're going to, you know, Yeah, that.

You know, not the tamu-tamo my to be there are many of the people who are more confident after this year, the way, yeah, yeah, and that,

I'm really, I'm really, because, it's from demographic in the not only in Indonesia, but in the but in the

but that, that, future, right, right, and, and I'm, We're not just to be it's not just

not just being able to be, but we're just, monged the future that, if it's, if it's a gender balance, or maybe gender dominant, the other way. That, I think I'm important. Right, because, in the survey, this is for all companies and companies,

that's survey, company that's high performance, that's diverse. Right. Leadership is diverse. Oh, you know, one of one of my before, he's, it's been, it's been empiric, gintung, that if the board,

the people, the people, the lower level, even to lower level, and more diverse, and the gender divers. IRR, significantly, more than, so, this,

it's impiris, not aspirative, just. Survee, also, So, so, so, so, so, we're going to be a lot of crisis, yeah. Crisis, 1998, crisis 2008. If we're based research, company that diverse, that high performance.

High performance, what is what is? During that difficult situation, he still can't be able to be able to and, if not all, that's the leadership is diverse. Amen. Okay, then you're 20-town-in-law in Ex-Anter. You check out, Pindah, to Grapp.

How is the decision-making? To be honest, decision-making is when Anthony, our co-founder and Link, that talk to me. Giacan, gobro, gos, then, then,

he said, they're talking about values. Why, they're, what, create, or start-up,

grab, that's because impact that they're giving, and, and, and,

for people to get them to get them to get income, to get an income, wow, that noble, and, like, okay, okay, yeah. I mean, on my second career, I want something that create direct impact. I'm not saying when at the Accenture

not create impact, but this, really, impact is direct impact. direct, and really, noble, really noble, so, yeah. And, the reality, and it's just,

so how we make make sure to educate our mitra our our driver, mitra merchant, agent, or kios, for them on-board to us.

Right, right, right, right, people, like, like, how much, how it's the but it's but it's

more than 30% mitra kitha that, they didn't have no jobless. That, that's

gil. It's... ...asuatu ...and, and if I've heard many so many many

so many what name testimony testimony that they that'd not even

they'd not be able to pay pay the child single mom can buy room and then

and during the pandemic this last two years that onboarding UMKM, UMKM, which, who, that, that, which, how, it's, how, we're in our life our, but then, we can onboard,

and we can, at least, they, that, not turn substantial, you know, and, malas, they minimum, turn it, maybe just 10 to 15% from Omset, because it's got to online. It's... It's gila, really, and,

and, misalya, we're on board the pedagang-pass, that, yeah. That, and they're very very, because, can, because, can, who's who who wants to be in the time pandemic, but they're going to, but they can still continue even make-hidupe

even the payoutilance too much, can't 100, million in the pastar-tomang, just from online. Wow.

That's something really. Wow. I, too, yeah, in 2.5-ta-tawn the last year, I've been I'd like I'd like to give a webinar, yeah.

And one thing that I almost I've always I've got, that is how we're going to be important to be able to getterbuccaan. And I also, there's many of the people who I know that micro-U-MKM

I know, I know, or even, or even, the people who I know, that's not so to pleset. Because they can't not even to show an because they can't not can't show an

they can't make making a penesuayan. Yeah, right? Yeah, can't, that's not used to make gadget, that's not being

doing digitalization, virtualization. I want to know, I want to cupas a little what I'm doing to facilitate the

get an re-skilling. Okay. Because it's not gampang, a lot of people take it for granted, that it's just that, ah, you can't, you can't just a lot of people not as gampang that, but, the power ofuasance you can

be able to beaerdaiked. That process is how that? Processing, so, so, if, if, if, driver, from from, from, from, from, from, that's, we're doing, we're doing.

Daftar, then we're ajarin. Then, we also train them. Actually, if driver, first, we train the getter that must be the right, that's right, that, right? Yeah, they're, we're training, yeah, they're coming offline, before, the time of offline,

got it, and then, d'etrain. But, after that, not we're not we're taking. Okay. So how they can overcome mental block when you've got to do you've got to asker in the that I'm curious,

before we're going to talk about maintenance in the next. Yeah. Yeah. It's not very, they're not too, right. Right. Right.

And when the first grab started, that's, it's, it's, now, now, it's more okay,

that's, when I was three years long, that's enough, can, grab,

in Indonesia, from 2014, I'm going to But, friends, and then, and then, and then, and, then, and then, then, it's just to guide plan, like,

and they're trying, if they're not, if, this, this, then, and then, and then, it's like that. It's like, you, you're jaban-

You're just jaban-e-a-tie. Yeah, it, did tat-tah. Yeah, did-tah, did-cawal, one-per-one. That's when the first time, on-boding driver.

Now, onboarding, merchants-merchant that's not that's big, that's also, that's just did tatah, d'ajara, and,

it's not going to be at a yomin, awal. And that, I'm... PENU KSabaran, no, NENKENUKESAWRAT. But, believe it or not, that? For people who are you in the

people who are more than more, more? Yeah. But you can, you also deal with people who are in the of our own our own our that. That's what I concerned.

But believe it or not, yeah? If they're very driven, So, okay. So, so they're going to to move. And we have, too, we're also,

we're analyzing, we think, no, our mitra our our one and that's too, and it's

and so, what, what, what, what, Kegihan and... Kheasan. Yeah.

When I was... ...warked Grape car. Yeah. You're... You're not if you're going to go? Yeah, well. Enok!

Canned. Same. Because, I want to know, this, and, then, the driver that, he was pensionan.

Yeah, And then, I asked, "'Pa, how, Bapa, "'awalna, right, "'uh, then he said, "'Bu, I've been pensioned "'dary peccanation my, "'but I'm still...

"'mast, still, "'and... "'alangka-baiky, "'if I still have put put in a pekerjaan. "'Yeah, I want to try, "'I, I'm trying, why? "'Cusah, ma'... "'Susah, pa, part, "'meagang handphone.

And then there driver apps, that's just, ma, but I tried, yeah, I'm trying, yeah, I'm trying, yeah, I'm, there's a lot of community, yeah, now, right, so, he's going to come to the power of community

or to ask to team we at the Grab Driver Center, that, but, but, just can't, I can't. Wow. So, great. So, so... So, so don't even if people are in up 50,

it's... Yeah. They're a bit more difficult, but... But they're very... ...buttack, but they're very driven, because they're very driven. So, so it's...

So, there's... So, there's... How about that? There's no, there that there that can't. Nothing is impossible. And how you can maintain so that failure rate is minimal? The dropout, it's a lot, right, right?

Yeah, right. That's the real world. But how you can minimize the dropout rate? So, actually, can't this, If they've had felt, oh, if I'm really committed, if I'm really, really, sad, it's pretty, it's not, you know,

got the money, that, right? Barocah. So, the result, is, it's, good, so I'm very positive all the time, I'm going to be curious. I want to talk about you about,

we're deep dive again, yeah. This, you've been about second tier, city, and you're kind of kind of passionate if you're going to about this. You'll tell again, so that audience or permissani can get, you know. Okay.

So, this, can, now, if, if, if, in Indonesia, it's already sophisticated, already, it's kind of, is it customer or that it's merchant or that, or that that driver.

But Indonesia, can, well, yeah. Now, we're going to tier two, tier three, because, in our future Indonesia, it's also in the

in the city of little. Yeah, right? And, and, and it's not to tier two, tier three city, it's animosity,

animoes out of years. And, they're smangat but, but sometimes, it's going to get-gap,

you, can, we can't we just, we can't just, because, because, they're not

not-grat, you, can be if they're in online, that, the way to portrait-notred to what's like what the food, or packaginginginging is, so, it's, so it's more... Enac, that, you know, dillat it,

that, they're so, manate-bant, and I'm not really, can't, if, if, if, if, if, kot-kot-kit-kil, like, so, in the area merchant-and-customer and customer-y,

that's already on-line, whatever that, that's, it's, it's made to do. And, we're doing research

the end of the year. Research is, Kupang and Jayapura. That's the result research that, with the group, it's got a

more than the country, the economy is more, And, and, and, and, and, 30% who are from Grapefood

is really, they're who are who are in the other. 50% who are to be in agent kios, that's also they're they're also. And,

the more than, 60% of the women. And I, too, that I always think-cita-cita-cita-ca-ca-cuit- that,

all of all of the small small like that. Gila. Not even to get to to the urbanization that, we can be able

from China. That is our vision. Our dream. And we've got can. That's new-comers like that before, what's the new-comers

in the room, or work in the other? There's a lot. If you're all the other. If you're all right, that's really, they're they're really, they're they're doing.

But, you've been able to be making down, before she just nongkron on the room, or gungur, or what? The woman, a big,

there's a big, there's a good, goutang-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. There who I'm going to make make, because, because, when the pandemic,

there are also the wifey-suami who are the lay-off. Yeah. So, this, actually, this is not new entrants, but new money. New money.

Not all. Not all. If he, did he'd have done, got a income, then he pivot-to-as-a-kits to this,

okay, like, maybe, this, But if this is a lot of, but if this is a lot of them to be a new entrant, it's great, too. Multiplicitistice is there, in the lapangang. The plan on you, in the other Kupang and Jayapura?

Oh, this is now, now, is there in 262 in all Indonesia. 262, second tier? Total. Total. And this will be still. And it will be still.

And not only just be coming, but it's deep, too, what? What is, if we focus, we're going to say, we'll come,

we educate, we train with accelerator, and so again, we look we look at the results, then we keep on train them. That, I also want to add that,

it's from merchant, but from driver, we're also. We've got the grab academy online. So they're there are mandatory, they must be used, if we're in corporate world also, there's mandatory training,

there's the elective, Now, there are some of what we've made mandatory, and there's what we've got to make elective. You know, one of the example is, eh, you want to be training with a company with Microsoft? Microsoft. And then, now, there's 350,000 who have certified

Microsoft. Microsoft Office, that's, and then, I mean, Oh, gila, not just that only? That's just so something, like, that. That's just not just, we're not just there. We're also, we're doing with some,

like, with MasterCard, to train what, what name, cybersecurity, the child from driver. There, though, that's, though,

that's real. That's real. Real, really. And, And cyber threat, cybersecurity. Yeah, and it's still, because in Indonesia, it's just not, not much, but not. But not, but it's not much,

we still need a lot, SDM that's in cybersecurity. That, that we can. And domino effect that's created by us, that is amazing, not just that's like that, so, like, so, so, we're trying,

we're using with Comnas Prempuan, because, they're they're always diagerin how,

if, if there's when there's people, there's beenmpang women, and they can, wow,

I'm pretty this, this sexual harassment, right, yeah, they're, they're just, oh,

I, I'm, like, like, like, and they're, and they're I'm going to do ajarin it, and they said that

I want to gaijuring this, to the people in my room I. I think that's gila, a domino effect that's by us, by educating the mask, that's amazing. Plus, we also can be mantooing for child trafficking. So we educate driver our,

because they're the driver of our first. So if, if there are a little, malemalem, to hotel. But he also, not be the same way of the because if they're not, if they're not,

if they're looking the other, that's the driver who's the driver who's who's on. So, we're just, we think, we're doing with,

KPA, AI, and LPSK, the company of the clinduang-saccy, to, to know to know,

if we're because we've ever had because we've had a case like that because we have a case

like that we're, we're, the, the driver this care, and the driver

who's the person to come to the community, there, there's, who's, we're just to get up, suburb in front of hotel,

they'd be made to one area. Ternata, he's also beingung, then, then, it's, he's from, from the city that's in-lawed, which is quite a lot, and, it's actually, and, it's really. Wow. He's like, he'd reculik.

Wow. Now, from there, we're like, to make, what, education. And, they so, so, they'd be able to know, this, if I look like this, I'd like this, I'd like to someone, me, I'm going to be able to who, can't have, driver's also must be able, and, and, and, and,

the driver's also, is the same-a-kind, because, this, can, for our children's-cucing to be from child trafficking, like, from, things, from things that that's what we create, by, like,

this data science is gila, you can, you can, to mitigate risk of my like that. And I can't imagine, this, application is gila, it's a good, and you can't get ridden many of the food. You can control cholesterol,

of sugar, triglycerin, or to help, with data science that there. Because you can analyze, what's it delivered, you can use predictive analysis, analysis, this cholesterol if he's meson martha-bac-manis every day, I think the gulaggulay will

launch, or what, that's what, amazing. I want to ask, from 262, in some of the next to be it going to be to be what? Cotap. Well, we're,

we're still and there's to be there's even where there, then, infrastructure that's very important. Yeah. The minimum infrastructure, at least, there's internet, too, and internet is just

to be able to be able to make, what, order, onboarding, and sogain. So, we'll look, And we'll go, we'll not stop. Maybe, not is, to a ribouan? E, the number of in Indonesia is just...

Not more than 1,000, something. That's the... That's the... ...tort of the province... ...same... ...that's... ...that's... ...the ...lebe...

...you're more reachable, no. Oh, yeah, no. ...you're... ...five hundred, see. ...the... ...sebrener... for agents of our kiosks, has already in almost 500.

But, but it's all that's other, that's. Yeah, it's. It's, it's on the infrastructure that on the Internet. Right. Now, this, back again, to the Urucian, you're so, that's a lot, right, that's more because you,

or more because supply? More because... The apply, that's... Yeah, because you too, but I'm going to be... I'm concerned about it. First, is more because values, the values of grip is really inclusive.

Inclusive to have all. Inclusive, that's from the first values from company, right? Inclusive. And we have what's the name 4-H, which is hard, hunger, humility, and honor. and honor. That is our... Wow.

Our... Hard, hunger, humility, and... Honor. Wow. It's... ...ituaddae, so if we're the N.E. Graber, that's 4h, inclusive, yeah, can.

And... ...bukon honor, no. Honor. Honor, thank you. Honor, not, not, not, not, not honor. And, and, and, the idea our DNA is we work because of a purpose.

Cool. So, it's from there, if you're from, if you're, if the supply of many people, there's a lot of people, yeah, the reality is that, 50% of leaders of the women,

And to the below it's like that. So, actually, from the first we are very, very open. And this, like, the trend will lasting, will be long. It's like that's the way. The women is the... And this is at all the level, at the level, at level senior, they're just, they're just... Yeah, right.

In Indonesia grab leadership, is 50%. Okay, we'll switch topic. We'll talk about about transportation, after this, there's been many narrations about electrification, can. Tell it. Okay. This is really, this is the story,

because we're going to use EV, it was at the end of 2019, where, like, line, like, we're not going to, we're going. We're going to 2019, mobile, then, then, we'll get motor, that's, now,

if we're going to ask, is, we've got, there will be return and sogain. The answer is no. But, we want to participate and we commit that we're, we want, what we're going to reduce carbon.

But, can, how can you not move like, you've been able to be able? So we invest, and, and, until, we invest it, it's already $8,500 electric vehicle. Right? Mobile and motor. Yeah.

In 12, in 8 provinces. Wow. And I always said, this, we invest, though, we're going to need,

unit economy is not, we're going to try to one, to make the unit economic is to

make, must be in. And the second, at the same time, we also, we also train the drivers that they're not, they're going to,

like, right? And, they're the research that they're because it's

funny, they're from survey, no, no, no, right. Yeah, it's not there, no, no, no. Then, then, they're also, oh, no-us-buy-bless-billin. And that's, they're, they're okay,

too, right? Sorry, so, many who who's not there's a sound, it justro, is a kind of, not positive? Just-possi. Okay, I think, I think, I'm going to be a little, okay.

Because I have a friend in America, He's a lot of the music because there's no soarer, so it's a lot. That's a lot, in America, that's a good thing about motor is, if you want to make a sound, you can't. But, but in the realtankeraner, he's not a sound. So, he's okay. So, almost, more than-su-suka.

Than-sua-so-a. Okay. It's good, don't? Because if, no, I'm not. I think, when, if you've been used to be used to be partedma-lame it's not to come out from the cotak, that, I don't know that

who not who's not who are the people who like, like, like, like, you're like, well. Yeah, right. Okay, that's interesting. And they said that they're not pusing

to makeir in Ganti-Oli. They're not, they're just, charge, and, actually, you charge it, can't come back home, you charge just, like like a phone, like, because if motor, it's, it's about

four years, yeah. Motor that we've used, which we've got, that's from VR, and VR, and VR, that's, builtan Indonesia. It's local, right? Local, Semarang. What else, who's local, you've

used? There, Gesit. One other, the other, scoot. That's good. Motor, yeah? Motor, yeah. If the mobile is... Sorry, smooth.

Smooth. Okay. If the mobile, still asing. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, but... Yon-i-i-nex. How many of you've got,

from 8,500? The majority, motor, so. Mobile, it's not too many, because the mobile that we still using the only young,

which is a new, and the mobile that we're also in airport, so people like to try. So, since you've beencure in this, the end of 2019, so, what's what, the number of decarbonization that you've done?

So, from the end of 2019 until 2021, the end up in 2002, it's, 4,600 tons. Wow. Cucup. Cucup,

quite, because we, the first, and we're serious, and we're trying it's also serious, you know, if not in 12-cota, 8 provinces. This, you'll be able to be what,

from 8,500, in several years to the time? Maybe, maybe, if, if, If not, if not so, maybe in 2025 or 2006, it's about 26,000-a-long. Wow. This is gila, Neng. You're decarbonizing the planet.

We should start, right? Yeah. But, I always, yeah, I always get inpettin, like, when you know, about how about how about the purubaniclim, because it's... Because it's... ...because, because it's got to gas, There's many that haven't muddeng

on the concept, and, like, urgency. And this, if I'm in, I'm going to be urgent, really. Yeah, we have to think of an an child's-cucu, yeah? Pastil, not. Don't boroughing the next to now, right, just to be the other than.

But, I believe, if we believe, if we're all, Same, the government, private, focusing on this, that's it can, but it's just, but it must be with, not just to be, not just, so, so, yeah, muddhaan, the other than, more than the economy that's more good,

because, be it however, everyone, it's been perparen. Proporsi mobile is, or is it, or same as now, than now? Depending on the market situation, which is manufacturing situation. Because, be it in any other than the economy has to be in the economy, if it's going to be.

If all of it, it's just it can, it can be more. More. At the end of the days, it's like that. I'm just, I agree, if the motor's more. If motor, it's more. Because carer more than the motor.

Because it's more, because the motor is, because the motor is, because motor is, it's, the unit economy is okay. Yeah. It's not even,

well, but... Okay, like, it's still, and it's that's a-u-doin-in-Indonation, and the product of Indonesia, if the product of Indonesia, FIAR.

That's how many-killed? 50 kilo, if one battery. He can, he can use two batteries. Oh, it's peck, yeah, right. Yeah, right. and swaps-back. And... And the speed?

And... And... And... And... ...that's... ...that... ...that... Okay.

So, it's... ...and... ...uad... ...and... ...so... ...it... ...it really... ...the...

...the... ...the... ...the... our people, that's... ...niewa to us, y'ewa per-hary, because we can't

...belemn't even be macksaum to buy, because, they're thinking like this, when I buy, how many know, because this smoke-baru-bara. So, this is what really, that's one,

and then, this, this, this, this, how, this, how manufacturer, manufacturer, say, three-town, five-town, whatever, but, but, is it really, not know, this is all new, yeah?

So, this is the bigian of the the same thing that grab-be-be-be-can for the society, and we also must see and what's going to know, because there,

no, by the way. You've, you've got, you know, how the how the of the if he not if they don't need to buy benzene,

for one, two, three, four, five time, that savings of how much? And this is we're going to go to keep through. Right, right, because, if, if, if, they're in there, if it's if you're $50,000 per day,

that's economic is or not? No, it's, it's to be turunin. Now, how to know, to be it, to down it. How far, it's the price motor in the sewa-in it has been up. Because for we're making,

they're going to, they don't want them. And they're, when they're, when I'm saying, if I buy, resale value-n't, this,

five-torn, 10-town, motor-go-go-a-harmes there's the Yeah. Now, if Elon Musk, he's, he's

the price of will be metering, not depreciation. But I'm not so extreme that, but I'm more than the extreme that, but I'm more than resale it, it's more robust, than fossil. But the question is,

because from the car of the mobile, the most-mall, right? Batherty. the way, the rank-notes, yeah? Yeah. Yeah, that's just, because you're not. Yeah, okay.

So, actually, just to, I think, what's the battery, and how the way it's the way. It's more. That is the challenge. But technologically, it's not to be. Not to be it.

Not to be there. Pasty. You know, you know, if you're, you're trying to think I think of the law of all of the kinds of in the technology, that's right. It's really,

it's going to be there. But what we're going to see is, maybe more than the time d'u-doucaut something. If you know if it's a long time. Now, hopefully, technology battery

this is more so, more. At the end of the day, that's, that's the end of the day, that's, This is, this, the peran of the government, how, in your mind you?

The government, and, it's just being being... What they're going to... What, what, yeah? ...impercarsay, initiative for, in 2013, had 13-jutor,

2-3-juta-mobile, ter-electrification, but, but, is, the incentive and allan-it-the-the-the-the-the-cuit in the public,

At least if from the payag, from money, they've got no-in, that's a starting point. At least that is a starting point. But, like we all know, the car of the car car car car car car car car of the car car car for the car that same. Right, this is how,

because it's from there, still more more, like, if in America, there's subsidies in Thailand? Do you not carbon credit for the company manufacture motor? Like, like, not say to be name, who's not even the name,

that would be great. Yeah, right. Yeah, this would be great. Yeah, this would be great. For the government, for something, for what's at the minimum, I was thinking. And then, I was, I'm,

I'm about how much of the car of Tesla. If we think the value of the company, the amount of the amount of the product is, it's 1.5,000 to 2,000 dollars. But, although, the price of mobile Tesla, it's just $60,000 to $80,000. That's in... In America.

Yeah, in here. Yeah. Now, if we look capitalization of the market or the value of a company, the value of the company, that's about the amount of the market that's only $35,000, that's more in the more than the car of the mobile that he's used in the road.

So, many of who think, Tesla, why, why, why, why can't be it so, the value of a per mobile? That's actually manifestation of sophistication, the people of their thinking about the credasance artificial, about robotics, about autonomy, and other than other.

I, too, be here that's been inspiration for the players manufacturers local, from the motor, right, right, we can, we can, we can make a motor-lustric here. Maybe with brand international,

too. What do you think of you how about Indonesia to the front in context of manufacture? If I, I'm not going to look at the mobile, yeah, maybe more than a car. If you're not really, it's really, it's been a lot of, in Indonesia, that, you know,

that's, and, actually, they also, that local, production battery, motorist like this, and so again. It's a lot. It's been there's been a lot. Now, what's important is, how to standardization.

That, that. And, really, there's N-I-n-N-I-gut, the language, there's standard, and so many. So, really, the people, Indian-I-I-O-K-K-K-O-K. it's really, you know, so it's just it's, so it's, so, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not-susat.

Yeah. I've seen the fabric to make motor-listrict. In the world, I'm in the in-demon, this, I've seen. This, the, FIrra, yeah, the, FIr is in Semarang. Okay, that,

can, that, Indonesia. No, In their, in five years, it will be down to what, is it? Wow. How? Now, how? 20,000, 15.

Now, 18, 19, for two batteries. If one battery, it's about, yeah, 15. So, 13 to 15, so, that's VR, yeah. But there also, if not, smooth that, 16-a-juta, one battery or something. So, it's really okay, and it's been made in Indonesia.

GESIT, maybe more more more than, but maybe specke more than more than, now, at the end of the day, what we're looking spec like what? Yeah, right? If you're going to be able to be. Speck more than the more than the spec, the more than the more than,

Yeah, the price can be more, but they're doing business, that's, right? That, that's, so, so, I'm not too, I'm not afraid, if motor, that's, but if the motor, it's just, if the car, is the mobile, it's not the mobile, the mobile, yeah? Yeah.

Now, how, how Japan, really, can produce Avansa with the price Avansa. That's the challenge. That's the challenge. What's the important to, it.

I'm going to cupas in the other. You're more believe in swap or charging station? For mobile or for motor. Motor, let's go ahead. Motor, that, now, the swap, it, It's more handy, more than it. Yeah, it's more than four minutes, if you're charging, I don't know, I'm going to see a time.

That's... It's, it's going to be charging, again, sophistication is must be, must be big, right? If swap, it's more simple. But, if it's the future charging more better, it depends on the technology itself, right?

But right, but now, at least we start from somewhere. Right not, but you can be hilier-not, you're in the hillire, you who's who's who is nother, you're going to be. You're going to beaure, you're going to be. Yeah, can, if at a bit of course, if you're in America, you can, you're going to sell car companies, can, yeah, Hertzavis, if he, if you buy, can be a thousand thousand of them, yeah, Chrysler, Ford, and GM, goutin, what it's like how much.

He's going to go-in-demand, and you can set demand. Now, that demand-notes you set tergantung feature natuasabah, or mitral. If they're more than swap, yeah, maybe the way to be efficient, because it's more efficient,

can't issue to be an amenan just. So, actually, can, sero-notes, if, with swap, business model can be many much-machem. So, if, if, if,

if, the price, it's more-it-mure-in, you, that's-b-and-a-cure, like, like, so,

so, that, mud-and-and-and business model can be more. So, I mean, I mean, what this, this, many things we can begin, business model is like, I'm like thinking,

many, you can make this, you can make this subscription model? Yeah, that, that's what I said, subscription, that's what I said business model. Now, this, we're like, we're like the right thing. What is the most economical? That, this, this,

We're going to start up, we do experimentation. And doing it. Then we can give input. We can give input to the government, we can give input to manufacturers, we can give input to the produce battery, and so again, and so forth it. Because,

But, it's the difference in our time our time technology like this, right? Now, like I said, no other that's not that can't. You have to be able to try. And then, getting better and better and better. The way we're thinking, how we're doing something, how we're experimenting, that's all kinds of.

But objective we're just. So if grab objective, it's just how how to, how to everyone in Indonesia have a case of working, how the way we're really, decarbonization. We have to try. Solid.

We have to try, and we're doing it, because we want the environment to be better. Right. I'm even to pay a bagu of a year. I'm also

I'm too. But, but here, if you're in, you're still in position to be very very

repunging pricing with manufacturing and terms and conditions of payment. Right.

Right. Yeah, right. Ibarat kata, if you're going to I'm going to say I will I can't I can't pay-in'liss with capital lease

with capital lease option 10-year, not 5,000, yeah, he's also not kedip to mowmong what I'm not. Yeah, right? Yeah. Right, than he's like a tengen,

like a deal with you and that you can't do you can't do you, How do you, what's in the back of you? Merchant or driver you, or how, or how you act with the seattleaugh-itra-a-cili, you can you can't, he also, they're just, it's all right?

That's great, that's. That's what we're actually we're trying to work and we're looking, and we're trying to try experimentation. Or piloting, not experimentation, piloting. That's what we are doing, Because we try, oh, how it's a good, we're just going to jockin the money,

but not can't, we can't do not. We're not doing business, because at the end of the day, we are doing business, means, if we can be better, they're also more secure. So, this not zero sum, gain. This we're not zero-sum, right?

Now, this is still still, I'm still trying how it's how it's how it. I'm going to be investing, to try, but we're investing, so far, yeah, but this is new. No, no, no, there's no, there, no, no.

Mobile beckas, where have, already, there? No. Not. But you can't look at Europe and in America, The price of mobile electric that's robust.

I believe. I've been there. I've got got to be able to be able to be able to becaths. So, so. There's, there, but from there, you've been able to be rabble, like-neigh-ne. Because, the people gittung.

Yeah, like you say you've said, So, can, who buy this is more in the middle to the but they're more savvy in the way to think. Because because of ego only. And this, if I'm in order to be able to be itung for the people of the people of the people. From hula, until chichit's hilly.

Yeah, right? Now, this is in 8 provinces, 20-cota. 12? 12, 12 kota. You can't be it in 262 Kota? If this, anguptly in 500

Kota. You're summing this with what you said about second tier or third tier. How do, visualizations, this, this,

this, this, in the back in the last in our conversation we, I, try, to take naras-umber to to, to,

2004-5. I want to know, visualizations how, to the front? So if, if you're in 2004-5, this is all,

the EVs and second and third city be coming, that second and third city that, it's much, and to beaing they also, maybe, could be able to

battery, I don't know, because, Indonesia, many nickels and so many things, that will be like what, and it's more clean, and automatically, so, so, so, so, so, so, they're beyond my imagination,

if, if the two, tier two, tier three of Indonesia, really, madeer, much, because the economy, then, economy was made, and clean, there's that can't. Plus, Indonesia's like that's like in

every dayra have the other than the other, that's about you? Or people are being pint-pinted, and all are digitalized. Orr-orra-all-nest, all are all savvy, using digital, like.

I, too, when I'm going to about the up in-cline, of the change of the film, like the time being, I'm more than, I'm more than the time being, I'm more than technology rather policy. Bucan the discount policy.

Policy is necessary. But practicality from the technology is important. If the people are luas, disodoring barang that's the abat the 22, and affordable, Changli, like.

But if he had been ajarin barang that's the time of the abate the 22, he's just a pep, this is the price is ceceng. Yeah, same as is a boong. You don't know about about about the acclaim. Now, this you're very part-bren-banked, to, not mendicti,

but, to the affordability index that, it's kind, that. Now, if it's got to be you know about you know about climate change

that you, not even to get up, you know, and you're going to getacobonization. That's also, it's very. So, technology, you can, you can,

people, or, people are the technology that there's not there there that's not and there's no one that's not that can. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. ...mau the... ...and, ...can at the end of the day, the whole entire value chain, from the raw materials to... ...to to,

...and, actually, the economy, if I, like, gampangang-gapang-a-degger, like that, and the hangutant-it-all-all-all-all-clean. clean. Can malo, if he's not clean, right?

Yeah, not, see? And, more than more, more than more than more than more than, like, so, even like, grab, if you buy grab, there, you need cutlery, not? Because, can, that, because, we're,

we reduce it. We're reduce plastic. What else can we do? That's many things, we think, and many things we're in a lot of things we're inoperant. If we want innovation, we also think, now, this, innovation this, we'd more than more, or how much?

Now, if, if, if, how, how to make it to be there, substitute, or we can make it balance? Yeah. all of it's all that, like, and not just we think that customers, customers, also, we'll be thinking like that. Merchant our merchants,

we also, to learn for like that. Because we also help them to think. And that, that's, I'm also with, like, Bali, that. Bali, can't clean. all of packaging not

not-packegings, and we have to do it. Now, if you're going to talk technology, will be be coming to-as-carus, now, how can technology packaging, not-pacety-pacety-tive, but you can't-ta-jawed, but not, what-name, like?

How? I have no idea. It's already, like, packaging that and so much. It's already. Because it's to, the people think of it's now. So that's linked to all. 2045, how, this? Two, two.

Sorry, it's a bit jow. But, it's important, for you. For your, two, your, 245 for me in Indonesia, tier 2, tier 3, it's same like Jakarta,

already, has been made like Jakarta. It's like in China, like you. You're not peru to Shanghai just. You're going to go to. So, I'm going to talk with you, 2004, 5, we're in terms of of the future of the economy and so big. Hopefully, the technology,

it's a tough ask. But we can. It's proven. If we can't think of a quota-besar just, we think of a quota-keletean. Right, because they're with economy that's much,

manu-money-matured. With research that's that's making more than it's more than economy more They're more money. They're more able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be and they don't know when we talk about, they're not,

they're not, not, think, like, to go to Jakarta or to Surabaya or to to go to the other, because they can, and they can be able to learn, so, so, with internet.

And, their can come to come here. Yeah. And their can come to come to see. You can be... Oleg-ole-o-a-a-a-but-tut-k, in Jakarta, ayam betut-tut-cuit,

you can't. No, seriously? Yeah. No, never thought about that. No, yeah. I imagine, can? It's, right? Because, all of technology,

can. You buy mp-mpe-p-palembang, now. There's at Grape-Mand, from Palembang, right? From Papua, is not? No.

But, but, But it's... How can? How... Yeah, if there's something that is very, very, what's very specific, in many-many-mah, for people in Jakarta that's like sagu. That's not that I can't, that I've said.

We've already from Bali, from Palembang, from Jokja, you want to buy J-Jum. You, just look at J-Jub. Y-Jum, you've, it's just up in Jakarta. Yeah, but... You-J-J-J-J-M. I like, you, J-J-J-J-J-M. Santa, you know.

Yeah, I like. Yeah, I like, yeah, no, let's say, not in Jakarta. Let's say, not in Jakarta. But we could buy right to Yujum, Jokja. So, actually, what, with technology,

we make them make them ma'u-and. And the one, and the one'satuner more. You know, no, Tionkok, to, with full of You know, to be a carcassay initiative

to create metropolis in 100 to 200 to the first-to-third-third, so it's all right? It's all right. This is all along with your. So, we can. And I believe that. Wow.

Okay, Nang. One or two last questions. Is there anything that you can do? What you could have done differently? Who can make career your, not in excenture, or in grab, or in any other than, better? To be honest, I think this is the best that I can think of.

You feel like you're contributing to the country? A lot more, than the before before, yeah. No, I was just sorry, not I'm about it. No, I... You're... You're... You're...

You're... ...you're... ...with not, a juteupon. ...that's got to make you sleep really good at night. Feel very good. Oh, yeah? But still, we challenge ourselves all the time. all the time.

How, how, like, so it's more big more impact more, more, more more, more, more, more, because, what, what, it's more, more, it's more, and it's always and, and I'm very thankful, so, for all, that.

Okay, the last question, there, There are the other questions for young young, not just about usher. Peson I to everyone is in time with technology, nothing is impossible. Don't ever say, because because

all can. And, and all can do you know, and we are a big nation. And if some economies say that Indonesia will be like the top four in the year 23rd?

2003, 2005, 2040. We can do it. But we have to believe in it. And we believe in it, we'll do it with technology. Nothing is impossible. And the peran, and peran, thank you, thank you.

Thank you, thank you very. Thanks, Kit. Thanks for inviting me. Thank you. Thank you for increasing the event. Tumman, that's that's the name of the government of the government of the Grapinthia. Thank you. This is endgame.