Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - New Normal Bukan Karena Sudah Bebas Covid | #Endgame ft. Nadhira Afifa (Part 2)

Episode Date: September 25, 2020

Pemberdayaan teknologi dan pemikiran strategis berperan vital dalam proses pembuatan kebijakan. Menurut Nadhira, kebijakan publik harus mencakup dua hal: ketepatan (appropriateness) dan pemerataan (equality). Ketepatan adalah bagaimana kebijakan bisa memberi dampak positif bagi masyarakat. Sedang pemerataan artinya akses luas pada informasi pengetahuan dan sumber daya. Dua hal tersebut memacu Nadhira memulai misi kedua untuk memeratakan akses pendidikan melalui platform digital AyoBlajar yang diharapkan mampu memberi dampak positif khususnya bagi anak-anak Indonesia di luar Jawa.

...emot, solat, in the back the other than ...and, then by the people who have keyhidden, Jewish, that's how... ...this is the endgame. Now, I want to try to know from the perspective of the health policy, or health policy. This I've seen a lot of productivity... that's kind of ag, aga, agaer and agaeratting,

how to we can productivity, or marginal productivity from the city, what, yeah, public health policy? From public health policy, very, is it, bad, yeah, yeah? In the logic, if we're more productive, right?

Yeah, right. If we're not stunting, we, we're not getting diaditis, we're not having other, so, we're, we can be productive, there are not tips of the other that from the health policy that can be betimanked to make up to make up productivity?

Wow, really, sir. If, for to make up productivity, complicated. Maybe we have to know the background from each of each of the other, usually, the remaja is crucial. Nantyna, he will be a productive or not, in the way, in the way,

because of the healthing, but people, women, there's many of the amoeia, and it's actually, with the fact that's actually to be a productivity. And, from now, we've got some NGO

to give to tablet, and feroos, so it's got besie, and it's who's going to but, it's not just, it's from the government,

even, the fifted from NGO, So that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that malnutrition, that's that's that's that's that's that's from the productivity. And then the other, um, if in Indonesia, it's like,

there's not too much like, like, I'm gonna tell a bit about in Tanzania. It's not, no, no, in Dodoma City. In Doma, yeah, bettell, ma'amah, yeah, bethulled. In Dodoama, I, too, uh, And so much about the sameaj there's there's been absent and then aftering out,

Kettingalan, it's more because of the water. And then, there's not a lot of the time that's beener given in the school and the and it's got to travel to 2 hours, then back again to school, and they're not want, if they're back to school, usually, I'm justirate,

they're back to work, and, and, actually, not back to school, and that's what makes the value of them, to get to the world, I'm not know, I'm in Indonesia, in the area that's where that's where, actually, after the absence in school, it's just bolong, and everything, simply because they're

like menstruation, and then, not put or, they're not going to beckle, no, beckle in school, has to come, not there's going to go out, there's going to go out. Wow. This I want to try to take. There's temuance of America's Cricat. that's like Elon Musk,

this is neural link. That's the impotions is a microchip in our if I look at the body, it's the inton the electrification, one, one other, is the reaction kinia, right? Reaction chemia, is that that's that's that

but if it's, but if electrification is that that's what's about the where if we put in chip that can re-requayasarer, perilacu, neuron, neuron, it can alter or or to move our shaft and otop our,

so here, this, hypothetically, it's, it's like Alzheimer, ketulian, and, the busu-and, it can instantaneously, can be obadiobati. Right? And then just,

right-like-a-sifat. Right, that's kind of a re-caiase of aubat. Now, the pandanguania, how about about teman to be re-cayesa shara and otok, so we can't bring upheas for this and it's quite, you know, and, you know, and, you're going to beaugh,

if you're not, sorry, sorry, sorry. We're going to talk about, we can't, no, can't. No, ma'am, ma'am. I'm not much of neural link, I'm not going to be able to be able to be. But if for that's about, it's possible to be able to be in the time that will come,

yeah, and even like to develop, for like that's always related to theotak, it's always the problem for ethical issues, because, maybe it's visioninging that will like that, to help people who are related to the same, like Alzheimer, maybe Parkinson. But, but, there are Ognum that will be able to be. can make it's for other.

And it's just like we're controlling the human. Yeah. Playing God. With nerve is controlled, muscle to control, what's the other than what can be manusia. That's all that's making manusiness. So, maybe, there's a problem that is the ethical issues,

and, actually, it's to be hambat for process the pluncureance or deploy it. Even, the use of abat, that's not quite a bit more than morality or illytheist, right? Right, but too,

yeah. Many of the psychiatry, it's kind of mannedalic like that, like, that's it in the otac, so for people who's really, it's actually, um, but if it's like, if it's like, for people, like, addixie, like, and just to, can,

mood can be, not be, so, but, but, but, but, I'm going to try to know perspective of Nadira, if it's from the policy or or pejiaqaqa. That's argumentation what is to be in-presenting? Is it, about argument to be able to be able to from Alzheimer, or argument moral, or argument spiritual, or argument what?

Because the garis it has to be detentucan, But we're on one side, we're on one side, who get Parkinson, get Alzheimer, and then, or other side, we're also

we're also to find case of the samebangan with dimensions of the If that, if that's maybe so,

so, basically, actually, they're maybe, the other than the device, I'm not sure that for Indonesia can't be able to get to, because it's like that day,

we're playing God, and we're in Muslim populous country, we have a lot of from the way of the agam. If I, I'm personally, as a doctor, it will be very and it will be a manpower if even doctor just who have and doctor who are set-can, but if for policy, as a as a as a very a biga in the bide in the state of the health and it's,

because it's, it, it's, that's always tabracking with agam. It's a bit of garrie, if I'm not really, if I'm doing what, what I'm doing what, what, in other, I don't know so much as well, I'm not so much, that they're, they're doing research to be up to 150 years. Yeah.

Yeah. That's kind of a bitabrakan, like, normal or, what, yeah, the policy of the period of this. Yeah. I also've been done ongoing for transplanted the power, so, the, the, the, of, the, the, the, and it's, and it's, not that, if the head's the other,

like, if the head, but we're not, Now, we've got, we're quite like, like, the company, or, what, yeah, or what, yeah, talk about topics, topic technology, digital and data science, that's why,

do you, what you know, do you, do you, do you, what you're, right, in U.

that's, ongoing, to, , um, people, people, people, But it's like this guy too.

People are more than to digitalization is inevitable. If you don't want, we have to lag digital, melegged data. For the prospect of in Indonesia, it's been good from what I heard. There's name Prof Boudi Weweko, that's who's the research in U.I for data. And the pranourn't for the control of the non-communicable disease, at least for diabetes, like, how, how,

how many of them, reminder for the life for health, health, and other than other, that's also, that's also, so stem cell. So, stem cell can be around, how about it? How do you know? Yeah, that's...

Who playing God? Yeah, Yeah, it's controversial, if, if I'm, because, actually, the benefit of the other than controversy that's also that's long as you have

responsibility for stem cell that's be able to be able to, and with bureaucracy that has been able to ribet, because it's always to analyze again, what I'm not a problem. Batasiness, where? So, long as to, maybe, to mnubuking up,

or to get up. Yeah, that's not. What, yeah? Diabetes or what? It's still okay. Now, what's right? Flake, or not that's not-bolegged. What's not quite is meat,

the meat, the damele from stem cell, so for people who, who can not want animal abuse, so can't make the animal abuse, can't make the same thing, can be able to be manusia, stem cell that's be bekembanked, and, maybe, I think,

it's been a bittersan, like, Dumbah, that, that's, it's, that's, it's all right, that's the thing. This is, it's important, though, And if you're really,

to policy, to the next this I'm I think it's like to constructs. How do you, right? Right, right? Because there are be a bit of demands that we're being able to be able to beckon. But can. Okay.

Okay. Yeah? Yeah? Now, there's panang on COVID. We're going to we're going to to make this out, and,

and then, that's after vaccine is out, it's to be accrucure, commercialization, distribution, and affordability, and, and, and, so it can't be given to give a panangone about the pandemic or in anywhere, so this is how it, and the next thing it's going to be it. Penangana COVID in Indonesia. If, now, I think,

COVID-can, is always important for testing, testing, yeah, ma, testing and tracing. If in Indonesia, it's always the time in the because we're not ever can't be the same as a proportion of the proportion of the same. For in Indonesia,

also gaping, like, for testing, this is about. Jakarta is now, up, so, it's really, really, big, it's up to the

proportion, I'm not but for Indonesia, it's just a little with that's not just that's what I'm gonnaeckoncara to getcarked to give-success that we have to for now, for testing, for everyone. And, also, focus is, is,

in rapid test, yeah, Pa, for the diagnostic, is, actually, in PCR, or in swap. So, maybe that's that's what we have also, that's really that we rapid negative or non-reactive, not that's not that's not that's not even if we're going to go out, to mall.

But actually Indonesia is new normal not because we've got to because economy's run to and want not want to, we're going to be up again, sector economy, so that. Testing, is still not,

because it's about 10,000 per 1,000. Yeah. If the other countries that's already that's about 20,000, which ideal is in between 10 to 20,000, like Singapore or America's the United, it's more that.

That's maybe plus and there pluses, there's more transparent, minus it's because too transparent, it's the closet-in-law, yeah, right, in the closet. Now, that, now, for the importance of the for the penning of the COVID-

For the important for COVID, maybe a bit more than, now, is the longuangued, too, too, is still to be lab that, even from the government, just. But now, for swastap, and it's all of people, can, someone can,

down from one day, there's a result. Maybe, if from the government, to just-tru-and-and-all-can-in-a-lare-kind-in-a-one-one-kind-as-a-old-kind. It's the way that's going to be able to be. There's a bit of the same. There's a lot of the people that how much, if they're, if they're, if they're going to,

it's regular testing, for rapid testing, or for, for, or for, if, if, if, if, I'm not sure, actually, with the publican, like, jim, or, or, or, restaurant,

it's not to be able to be because protocol that's not bad, but, back, so far, as strictly, you know. Maybe, people also have always to update wawasan their about COVID that,

and more than the hoaxed than the better than the true. Too, and that's a bit, yeah, asymmetrous. Yeah,

that's not even not not much but if you're people are people people who are thinking, I'm just being wrong. So, maybe,

the most important to update the wawasan and then, and then I'm going to be with people who'saugh-usah, they're going to be resico-economy. I'm talking about them with doctors, this is risk-medic. I'm talking about people in tech, this is risk of information. Yeah, right? Because there are many asymmetry information.

But I tendering agarerous to risk of information. That, if I'm the most structural. Because, like I said before this, I don't know, is it's about it's not either either. That's kind of how much mitigation information like that. And I'm as a patate, if it's not mitigated risk. Activetal actinatism, it must be batheasied. Right.

And this, this, to the front, yeah, we have to think, it's a lot, rather than economy. But this is dilematis. It's difficult, like we're not. Right, because if the economy not do you can't do you can't be partaking. Yeah, yeah. Now, back again, and as policy, Wong, that's how, how to

how to know the care of the economy and the importance of medics? If you're making the samebanguance, it's really... Or not to be chary the samebangan? To be it's not much to be able to be able to beckx, for one, because I'm in the sector medice, just medics that I'm thinking, because if we're really lockdown, like, if we're going to, like,

like, I or Pagita, can survive with resources that we have but for people who are in the work of the work, that's from the day, that will be hard. And, actually, justro, the one of the commiskinan,

that emerge, we're, we're getting to get to samebankan while it's justa, if they're in a lot of conditional cash transfer. So, it's really there's bantuanne that's given to the workers, especially the income of the day, at least, you can stay in-room for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for,

so, they'd be able to be able to be it, like, that. Just, back to the Kempuant-negare, man, is, is, pa, is, like, that, is, like, that? because, for the middle-upper, it's they're really for lockdown and not really clear until a little bit of the time that will come.

Okay, Nadira, I'm going to come out a little from, what, yeah, topic of kusatant. Yeah, ma'am. I'm going to ask you back to the class of school

at the university that you know that's great, that. What did? The other, with a jihad, in the other than Ghani,

then you've been, and then to be helped by the people who have a keyakinan Jewish, that's how, can't be it's about? It's very much, if I'm hearing of Tidatwanda. So I... And I...

...and I've... ...and I'm... ...the actually, I, from the first when I was when I wasa about about Islamophobia, so my mom, I'ma, many of racism, many people,

people, people, people, and I'm going to be so, people, people, people,

so, so, so, so, I'm, a while I'm in a lot to you,

actually, at Harvard, they've got to make stickers, the other like, I'm gay, I'm bi, I'm lesbian, I'm not kidding, wow. Yeah, it's been able to be able to be able to. Yeah, sir, yeah, so, like, bendera from where. So, I'm going to embrace, like, diversity,

and not matter, like, like, whatever. And, and, in the other, and, and, in the other, issue gender, sexual orientation, like boomed very boomed in there. So, that's what they're doing. But for my soul of the agam, I still don't, whether they're really,

I'm not, like, as a Muslim, in there. So what I'm doing, I'm doing soot in the tangle of the arrored. And it's really, I'm just if I go to the world country, because it's really to you're

at the time, at the time, I'm from library, at Cowan Way, there at Harvard Medical School, School, Ma. I was to go to the barraud. Then, when I'm going to start to solace,

there's one who got to be up the window. And it's, I was come in the I know he, that was the name was Yosef, he was called... Yosef or Joseph? I'm... I'm called he Yosef, right?

Oh, Yosef. Okay. Okay. He's like, like, topi, piti, that's-and-a-pick, that I'm, I think, I thought that it was a pechy, and he,

He's the endangue just, the endangeree just, he's a parted to praying room Harvard. And from there, I'm there's praying room that proper in Harvard, even there wudu room so, there's muconah, there sejadah, there, so they're

really very much, for Muslim, too, in there. And later, I'll start in the praying room that, and, actually, not for Muslim, for all of them. And then she's,

and I'm going to talk about Torah, yeah, oh, it's for Jewish, so for people, so much, and I'm just so much, like, like, like, like, yeah, like,

because, oh, that's all this that's always be gambarked, or maybe, but it's not in America, or at least, at least,

the Harvard, it's So, so much more than I'm just like I'm being able to be able to be. Toleratianity is very. Yeah, the other, the other hand, abrahamic, all of it. But, but, but, is it from the experience in Harvard, in a way of course, tolerance is so very, so much, very, is very, so much,

very, is that, like that's like that's very so thoughtful, so they're giving meapeutic, also the people, maybe I'm just, I'm just like. From, from American, or people? Oh, from Sudan.

Sudan, but it's been in US, there's a professor at Harvard. So, maybe, yeah, for I'm just normal, and because can, from being academic, that I'm first that I've got to be in school, like, so I'm a new one, like, so I'm just a person.

So that's very thoughtful and not ever there's for tolerance of religion, but at Harvard, and in Boston, but I don't know for in state line, actually.

You didn't like economics. Why? No, never exposed with economics. Oh, yeah? Yeah. But you, can't make matematica

when SMA? Yeah, it was Mathematica at school Awal, like, so, so, for economics, yeah, I've never learned.

Okay. What did you not like about economics? There's supply, there demand, or there? Oh, yeah, I was, I'm like to, yeah, I'm like to have learned economics, but more to insurance,

supply demand in medical, intinia, I don't like, what, yeah, many, like, curfay,

I have, I'm like, imagine, and I'm, there's point point, like, titic, titic, the curva that, like, I'm imagine again. Yeah, I'm like, this, not exact, like, but, although economy is exact,

yeah, but, maybe I'm used to biologian that's all the textbook, so, the answer to suckleck, like, so, B, C, so. So, if in economy, like, I always, I always, asked, about,

class, economy? When did teach? I'm... I'm... One, but that's about nine credits. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

One semester, two semesters? One semester. So, full fall. What that title? Introduction to economics. Even it's just introduction just introduction, but I've got migraine really great, pa. And what was your favorite subject?

Involve, I'm going to global health, it's more to go to hackathon, and then to find funding, start-up, and the other than more than the other than, more than that. Okay. Talk about that. Yeah, what, you, sir?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, at Harvard, I, there, I have a few classes that I'm just class that I'm able to be able to be itobesians in global health. I was going to hackathon for the first time. When I was doing in MIT. MIT, work with Harvard School of Public Health.

That's because it's because of the class, too, I'm going to team up with my with my people with Indonesia, with the IPS1. And then, al-a-Buh, who's the same. She was from the school. One of school. One other, with U.S., it's,

he's a IT, but he's just a good, so on the other, it's not a lot of the law. Okay. Lacky, like, amble the them about malnutrition in anac and specific for in Indonesia. And, al-hmul-ul-ah,

Juer one, Tren't, great prize winner, yeah. Dapot. Dapot, what? Dapot, do you. What? What?

No kidding. Wow. Well, What's what? What is what? What is 109, if not so, 109 group or 109 people? 1,000 people that expect 3-4.

Wow. But it's open for global. So, many from Oxford, too, because, like, like, for this, like, for this, like, for this, like, it's like,

kind of, like, getagyhan, to start-up funding, in there, and, channel to MIT, it's got very much funding from MIT. So that's a new for me, that's for me. Yeah, that's up the open-pinked, though, in there.

Yeah, right, ma. Now, you know, now, now, like, start-up, you know, and you're gonna bea-beladjured, right, don't, the application, from what you've done in there? Yeah, many, but, actually, I'm still still practice, too,

so, I'm still, doctor's practic. Okay, how many times a week? Two-two, two-three-a-three, so, per week. Now, then, at the same thing that, while at Ayo Belejared, I'm also, can, maybe, it's still in the focus for startup, I'll-a-leadjur this,

and I've also, too, much about startup, V-Sysi, investor, and all of all of all-machem. So, it's really, I'm really, I'm really, I'm, also here, how to deal with investors, and then, to see the market,

to publish content like what can make people. What's what you're going to be? What's really, in context technology and for Indonesia to the future. Where you can make money, but everybody's happy. What, what, yeah?

Yeah. If for the health, I have idea, I'm not. I'm not really, but... Because technology in the health is hard, it's really, because... Because, maybe, with me as a good doctor, like, not as I'd like I'm notarying to

make up to help the patient, because it's more. Because it's more, but maybe in a context pragmatic, telemedicine, that's how much? Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Because how much? Because how about from here, can't come from here? And the people are this is done from here. That's right? Right. Pipa. Yeah, if digital, it can be able, be able to be able to collapse cost.

Right. That's true, that's more than, I'm not, I'm not. Yeah, for telemedicine, is now, now, right, in Indonesia. Right. I can't start. If you're like consultations can't, we're looking

via digital. But for meresaping opat, it's not really, for from, from what they're consultations to digital. But to the depotality, can't.

Maybe, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, can't. It's just, the person can't be able to be be sure, or not? Yeah, right. Yeah, can't?

If he's not, if he's credible, can be given not through pipa to be it's up to apothec, right, right, right? Yeah, that's very, yeah, it's very much, actually. Now, can, if I think,

the understay, it's the connectivity, which, which is the abatashi to bempotasingan people to get and and the

unobotan, or, or, whatever, so that he can be more But if it's be pipa-can, there's mechanism that can't help out. It's going to work out.

But back to the access, maybe, everyone has to have smartphone, internet, that's the same. It's just smartphone. 4G is not. Right. Right. Sometimes, there's just the G-G or 3-G. It's just the connectivity.

Yeah. If the smartphone, it's already, and if it's not short-term, if it's not short-term, if it's not the new-term. That's, it's true. That's true. What other, topic, topic that's interesting in the school,

other than hackathon or startup or what? What's, yeah? Maybe the other than it was, it's interesting. So, I'm when I first came from the the people, the people who, the name of Prof. So I'm telling how, I'm passionate about with stunting, I'm really interested in gizzi and in the and I'm looking to go back and I'm going to try project

And he's from Sudan. So, he's really project that's in Africa, one of the other than than in Tanzania, there's in Ethiopia, and then, he's got to go,

just, click a selection, and so kind of and I'ma-a-cett and it's all-mulled and it's fully funded from Harvard, so it's very,

so it's very, so, I'm going to About 16 days, project's how to make up to malnutrition, but in the young-remaja. And I've learned again, because, oh, better-bred-bagnet,

profil is with Indonesia. They're, for the water just more focused to gardening. So, so, the family has, they've already have farms, and,

and, they're gardening, it's really So there, I'm overdaikka, like there's 18th school schools in Dodoma for school gardening, then provide school meal, and school education, at least, about how much, how much, nutrition, and how much, and everything about about, and other things.

Okay. Ayo Bledger is what, is the mission? Ayo Bledger. So, Ayo Bleager, is, I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm I'm like I'm like I'm a lot of that's kind of, and I'm going to get up people can't imagine the education

and I think it's just a few percent from people who can like I, that's up to S-1 or S2. And we're, the vision is the vision is to to make merattaken in Indonesia to giving more access, like, in the way. And, I'm,

is now, now that's more focused for be able to beautea in Jakarta, now, sir, that's right, that's not just the people Jakarta, or even the other not too much to we support, but more to the people marginalized, so. So, more vis-imisiness like that,

for giving education that for kids in the area. So, we have some features, like, video-education, like, video-education, that's more people have live classes. So, what's like pandemic is now, it's at least at least at the end of the last year. So we think, oh, how, how, for, for,

for, for, for, for, for, for, for, again, they're, they're, using, different,

Zoom, email, and all of different, like, we're, kind of, so,

so, So we provide learning management system to help to. And, emmongathe is to payen as high-gown so this is not for profit-oriented, but more to impact-oriented, yeah. That's more tutorial,

or more to the matapalgering up, for the matapalajaran-ut-ut-ut-up, so that's the course. Yeah, it's a bit more than business model that line-lain-nearer. Yeah. Yeah, sir, okay. Yeah, sir, make sense.

But how we're the mission to redistribuscibility in the deary of Plosok that connectivity not there? Yeah, actually, there's back in the matter. Internet's that's hard. But what we're now,

we can try to take-can-it-can-it-lop-tie-lokal. So, we can't work with TV local. So, we're working with TV-local for it to provide gratis in TV, because TV, like, TV, like that's every dayra, so there's provider TV national, there's also, there's we're together,

to be taken to show them to be accessed in the area. So, like, that's the other, and, like, we're just like, like, a teleco company, like, like, a company, like, like, are receptive? Very receptive,

very receptive, some, they're just being ignored, so, I don't say to be it. No, no one's not. Yeah. So if you're getting the smanget of what,

the mimpi besarting what, really, really, so, so there's a lot of like $10 for 10 giga access in platform we, and that can

can be able to people who's you know what's amazing is that you're marketing director at Iowa Belead? Chief Marketing,

right? Yeah. Mathematica, Bajorpe, Public Health, Hackathon, then it's going to be able to say. It's going to do. What's it?

What, yeah, sir? By force? Or by desire? By desire, mostly, but... Because, because,

you've already Yeah. Because it's already. Whatever it takes. I like it. I like it. I like it. How does it's how much of the people?

So, the way in the backer's like, like I always think, not as I'm just, if I'm medical, I'm doctor, just in doctor, it's like, to perkechekil scope of my to be a matter of people. So I just,

try and I just about it works, yeah, I'll continue. This, like, it's more enjoyable than practice. Yeah, to be honest, yeah, Yeah, to be honest, yeah. Yeah, I think you light up when you talk about this.

You only spend two seconds on your practice. Because, Baja, right? Yeah, yeah. But it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's interesting, this is what I've learned,

but I've got to do what I've got what I've got to what's what. And that's just routine just, so, so I'm not many of that I can innovate from there. The episode endgame The other than the other than the next in the future of Indonesia in the year before Indonesia. What other, what other, sir? Will it be utopian, do you think?