Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Pak Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono: Membaca Catur Politik Dunia

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

Volatilitas semakin tinggi. Instabilitas semakin menjadi. Ketidakpastian semakin pasti.Pertanyaannya, kita harus apa?Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono hadir di Endgame untuk ketiga kalinya. Beliau memberikan pandangan, refleksi, dan pencerahan tentang bagaimana menyikapi dan menghadapi kesengitan percaturan geopolitik hari ini dan esok.Direkam 26 Januari 2026 di SBY Music Studio, Cikeas.Terima kasih kepada Nyla Permata Sari dan seluruh tim SBY Studio atas dedikasi dan kerja kerasnya dalam mewujudkan acara ini.Topik selengkapnya:0:00:00 - Intro0:05:41 - Kenapa harus ikuti isu geopolitik0:08:51 - Agenda dunia berjalan mundur?0:12:44 - Perubahan struktural dunia hari ini0:18:22 - Sejarah kebangkitan Tiongkok0:26:35 - Mesti ikuti ideologi Barat atau Timur?0:36:37 - Ultranasionalisme0:44:09 - Board of Peace0:48:21 - Moralitas vs Realisme0:53:12 - Perang Dunia Ketiga1:06:11 - Dilema Nuklir1:10:37 - Ini harusnya strategi geopolitik kita1:40:38 - Kembalikan diplomasi#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #SusiloBambangYudhoyono------------------Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:https://books.endgame.idSudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini:  / what-it-takes  ------------------Episode lain yang mungkin Anda sukai:   • Trump's Strategic Ambiguity and Future of ...     • ‘Bapak Satelit Indonesia’: Kita Harus Bang...     • How Math and Sanskrit Shape Amartya Sen's ...  ------------------

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to the road, more than a few people matter. So if all the world's dunia diam, yeah, they're not there can't challenge. People say, if you're back, back,

diem, then the bad man. What's the best for our people? Rackett, not medulli, the system politic we're, what, what, what's important,

they're going to be happy. people, if they're happy, more than they're more than happy, that's prosperity. Meskipot, even though people don't get, to participate, to speak out. And the long run, it's also be bad. And we've been purported, but democracy we live, we don't have to bellows. Hello, friends, time. But I'm saying that book

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at the presence. This is the two-k-k-as, but the three-k-k-lop-in-game. This is a one-oarmat-oarmat-a-warmat-a-warmat-a-old, and we also, we've got, I'm-tem-tangers, who, in time little, they're

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but they're often communicating with the pendahulium their which, I'm a number of 105 millionaires that's been called, that's the same-cally as it's often as a story. Pemahamamant about the story. For the kids'-mudas, a got

and and the problem about how much the way that can't make uphue perkeembalitic

that is very but the problem the problemat now I want to

talk to Bapa about the generation new and the person and the

to more than the more than the more than more than more than how kind of geopolitic that has been around and how geopolitic or pemahman geopolitic is relevant for

their their thank you thank you thank you before response that we've

that I've given from Kittah I want to tell a little that I was I was done from Bandung to Jakarta

using car car a bit of speed I'm in the time I'm in fact I'm trying to try back on the same day this day this day one by one who from where

and sogain I'm I am very happy I am very happy I'm I'm in the world I'm still in the time I'm optimistic

in the time generation with care of duellian with penitouan and the ability and the ability

we have a better more than should be with Indonesia Emas Someday Hopefully

in 2004 will be in the I'm again, thank you for the time in this to make sure to make conversation with Bungita

a person scholar of the world who's good and, and, I'm going to because we've been

building awareness in this to know more our world, to more, to know more our country, So because again, and I do you, I'd beaqa, and I'm going to beaute our people,

to make sure. To make sure. Taddy, the question of thebukkah, in front of me, the world is more global, more than one and more than other. If, if,

parankally geopolitics, it's more than study, Demiqaicicic, demiguaqqaqaqaqaqaqaic, and about politics, beacquateing of the power, the tally tamalinia, with ajaran that's being being very important,

it's been very important, it can't make the world. There's a perang the one, and the war of the two is a buwax, from geopolitics that's not able to settlement with right. Corbans, because now, this is parted to us to look with a genie what will be in Indonesia, today and tomorrow.

What else for the day and tomorrow, I'm going to see how many 48 hours. after Trump bidato and I've gothaping from the people people people people that two times. So I could understand that when, when I'm sorry, it's not yet, I'm going to be able to be able to be.

Parankly, forum, like Davos, to be alternative. But the point is, I want to ask everyone, you are our future leaders, and geopolitics, understand geopolitics,

and international security, and the dynamic from global economy, technology, environment, and sogainer, and sogain. So, the pembucked-near-uped-foram.

It's just to be made-dapot-can-n't-despot-nation. And, then, I'm more senior, more senior, that's in the top of the other. Let's do together. The other, if you're being,

if you're going to be, Einstein and Edmund Berg said, if I said to general can, if the world we're having crisis, a perang,

big, Kiamat. Don't just or not just not just like them around people who make them

make sure that's not people who mustin't people who people who do that make something

to do not they're not doing it and we're not we're doing we're going people who people who

not badotis that careless soing we can't we can't we have to the right directions. That's just for the penantar I, Bungita. Thank you, Bapa.

This is many who have made that the evolution in the world to beaithic, economy, eclimm,

it's more exponential. In the What I'm in front of Bapa, what's what's been being a new policy that's very structural that's important we're trying to

we're doing in Indonesia Yeah, di-awali with what's global challenges and what global agenda

that must be doing, or di-attasi in a lottacist I think, I'm not quite with me, we're kept with discussion about this.

The first is it's a lot of situation we're doing. We know, geopolitics become hot, even memas

in some of the blarererable in the world. It must be be curled in a way, don't even make,

and the end of it's there's been poor big like one-Berang-Dunia one-D-Dunia

two-D-Wan. The second-Nation, we also also have to ensure that global economy is really,

it's a manfacat, and janjanker for all the people. It has to be kept stability

but also the part-pubbohan. The third we know that the world is often

because there because there's our subrars, the number of the little, the misguyen, even the misgain, especially with contimbanganguant

injustice, poverty. So, because it's also global agenda that must be detangani in a certain SDGs, I could reumuskhanes, miscelling.

Lantas, climate. Climate crisis this, the pillihannes, we're only two. We're salmat or not We'll be 2006.

If we'll fail to achieve net zero world by 2016, wassalam. So, because I say, I'm going to say, I mean, I mean, I mean, who not even though, even

even, even for sure, we're doing something that's bad human, but also immoral, but in the, and, I'm sorry like technology let's make we'll make make sure that's

not about muddhaired that's all me need to beersomboaternace collaboration multilateralism now what we are away we are walking away from

that's such as when I'mass if the people people people who are just right now this is now there lumba lumba

minkatkan the quateration the power then with country force philosophy that's not be because of my opinion. It's not because of the same. This is dangerous.

So, I think we're going to be the global agenda that critical. Then, we had made up as well as well as it, after the end of the war of the war of the king, now, making tearpecath, and, it's not been deli with what what's done in the world we.

So, this, I think I, It's very important now this and we need really, but we're really talk we're sure.

We're sure. Don't silent the top of the best and the brightest men and women in our world

if want the world and the dunia's much more to the future. Maybe

as presumption or presupposition, tatan very bipolar, and then iser unipolar,

the other this is very multipolar. This is the with the lay people men and women in Indonesia, to be capitalized

Bapa from the purbhan geopolitic that's structural. What they can can do you can make make up for the benefit

to Indonesia? Yeah, I'mulay with the dunya, it's not pernard, there's been damas, but always there from abat to abat, masa,

pernation, conflict and and the garrasan. But, so, the two abat the last, it's,

there are there, rules, there tatanananan, so, so, that we can't beaing up again. Dural War I was made sure.

After that, because corbana big a lot more, therebentok-lily bansa-banksa. But at the time it, it didn't be able to make sure to make a warang the new. There'sadal the warring the two. Baru't, birid, we're built again. Organizations global, which is called with Perserickaten Banks, Bank of the United Nations. The United Nations, if I have to say,

I have to say, after the war after the Second World War the Second World War that's not been during 80 years. It's justa, there's a big-gelland,

but it's manifest to be big war. Now, this situation is mirro prior to World War I, and prior to World War I, to World War II. This, I do you believe, very

strongly, still there's, the big war that can be avoided, can be prevented if we if we're going. For us, for Indonesia, because the perubhanation this, I'm in terms of, but fundamental, structural.

So it's like 80 years we've got to be what we have tootis we're in tune with UN Charter there conventions there a protocol Then there's also. international law. 80 years,

it's effective. Now, it's like it's also goodbye. It's noticotkaed. The law is notherstant United Nations body that many ways, it's just like, it's not even,

even, even, even, the government of PPP, has already, divided, divided, it's hard to look at least resolution to make atasies the problem that's still in Ukraine, in the Timur-Tenau,

the Ketangangangans in the South, Asia, Timur, Western Hemisphere, in America, Latin, for, that's all, it's all, because, there's fundamental change, structural change,

that unfortunately, unfortunately, this, this is out of control. And it's nothered again, law of the jungle, who's quite menang, who's lemah, this is not good, because many countries are not-berdaya. So, because of Indonesia, even if we're not elit, we're not delipat in a bentura of the penningan that's very tacem,

like that. But if there's there's a crisis in the world, there's a lot of that's part of the time. Indonesia,

look, the perkemongation. Indonesia has survive, how to survive. Indonesia has had diplomacy that's great tangoonged.

To include mencegap the world. But, but, I don't like to say this,

we have to make the world realism. Parangly, there can't who's not surrealism, I love,

the moral foundation, because that's, there's both of the other. There's interest, but there values that can't be able to that's just to bewung how to combine those two things

that's to be wisdom. How many people the people, This is all we must bea-botal aware, wake up, don't terenna bobo, because the world is like this, and the first we can't be able to be a corbant, but the second we're being part of the solutions and can be able to think about.

If, nancy-on-one-one-churched three people who are able to bea-one, Trump, Xi Jinping, and Putin, it will be very bad-aheer, the most of the front of the other that. That's my Bapaghani many people, which is Trump,

Xi Jinping, and Putin, or America, the United, Tyeongk, and Russia. I want to get Tionk, Bap. Tionk,

if we can look, in the in the years, since, back 49, and, it's,

that, it's, the three phases, that's fundamental structural. in 49, they're underdakakar-a-khan

in-attas-a-old-old or ber-dasharking the menacing the party communist to be the first at the time in prakarsay

by Sun Yat-San and then Chanka-I-Sek that melanchi to Taiwan that revolution that, which, which,

in-rott-in-an- people, is a revolution but revolution and tunditintheworthy by Deng Shopping since the same 1878 with what

that's often it's often with capacity building how they're making them give nine million people to learn to belajah

and back menopang industrialization how they can't of the same-stom every year, how much of the partain that where, the agotahsatowns 100, that's many who are being classed stem.

Now, this capacity building is in the manifestation in product, barang, and jasa that's being consumed by the people in the world. The other, this is the, the, that's beenpanked by Xi Jinping, which is often called

consolidation, which is kindal with anti-corruption, the crammoninguonging, and the third, the third, the pernourunan, or ketimpangan.

I'm concerned with the badpac about it, about this the long-lankh that's positive for

Tionk, for the own, and positive for Tionkok with respect to the world. Howena, B'amah?

Yeah, this is a lot of I'm going to doggia. Yeah, if you're from the time line, barang-kali, like that way, I'm by the way, I'm with Xi Jinping,

even though only three-tawn, but I also with Ho Chi-Tin-Tal, seven-year-old before me. I've kept come to Tionkok, as I also kept caraped to America-Sericat. I've been with George W. Bush and Barack Obama, Even if I've been pruncton,

I've been ever been around Trump. So, this is, Al-Hawand-Lillil-Lah. ...peng-an-bye. Bacaan my, yeah. Betul, if era Machetong, it's even more ideologous, the first from nation-building,

also not-mud-mudac. even more ambitious on the same mojointed, landasance moral and ideology want to make sure to make sure the speed of the economy and not be a result

don't shopping that's less ideological but more aware that the advancement in the world in the world in the way the way

evena has to adopt the system market mechanisms. So, we can't even though the ideology with that. Now, Xi Jinping, tento parable like, consolidation for compatible

with the tantangangue I know China has ambition that's great-bishop, have the power of economy, the power of technology, the power of military, and it can be

global leader, someday, that. If, and proven, that's the path of thecharting that's more success. I think we're all that China is true,

that China is a legend success story. It's been new model on the same model that other. Because that, if

many who have been curiosity, why China so secede because there. A, B, C, D.

In context, we have to be, we know, that whatever ideology, or the system politician, democracy,

or semi-authoritarian, the, what the people want, it can be upon by China, including Xi Jinping now this. If I can't

add-can-anyany If you're a lot of Indonesia, this is a lot of the same period of course. Tendom, didn't have been able to be anempiric, like I've ever since last 1299, so four years after Indonesia Merdeka. I still see a cor from Perentantham, Bungarno,

the government Bungkarno, it's about 20 years, less than Mojitong, menananum, menacing,

unobacco, menacea many, and many challenges in process nation-wielding. Now, if,

President Sukarno has been result, but mayasakan even low prosperity, low economy,

and then And then, sola-haparabh, the people that's not the people, that's the President Suharto, to make upongue in the not only nation building, which is not even rampung,

but state building. It's already, system building, also did, but, but, actually, naas, back to Indonesia, we've got to be in crisis. After crisis, there's

reform, there's transformation. Now this, I'm the president of the president jocobos, we're in a time of transformation, even though it's not the same with China consolidation phase, but it depends on we all, people, people to the country, people to the country, people the country, people the nation, people in the country, in the center, up weas, up we can issue, After two people people, President Sukarno, President Suharto, tried their best. Party, I want to do not do you want to do.

It's hard on the way that's done by the way to do you, the way to dolewil, it's also we can do with us. So, because it's to be a lot of it. We'll know, I'll be able to Beijing. I'd beching and Shanghai next. Sojournoy, why China succeed elements of the economy, success in technology,

success in green energy, success in reducing poverty, success in capacity building. So I want to learn more from China. I think there's brahasa, paribati from the world, China, so, So that's

So that's more than even more than the United States also from the government of President Sukhano to the President Suharto, there Prahara, there's term oil,

demigand again after Suharto, there's oil, China is kind of more than the same, but, but it, yeah,

the, the bit of the spread with the world, but it's, and I'm We have to get to get something.

Once again, why China succeed? Before Bapah, before before before, what, in front, what, from the pathan that is by Hong Kong, that's maybe be adopted, or even by reduction,

by Indonesia? Yeah, um, it's, if we're, we're talking values, yeah, about philosophy,

about, how much a person, how much the people, to be the time and the time if you're the top of the topan from Mojitong, from Mocetong, Jiangxiaoping, Zhang Jemin, Hu Cicinto, now Shijimping.

It's, in front, merriment, so, I'm in terms of the same thing. From the time to time, improvement, it's been there's. China, awallioner, after it's a redegas to make, to make suretment, revolution,

1,9, 9, 1950. But, after that, in running government, mengeran, the country, not have revolutionary. He's more evolutionary. Because,

that, America is very perjad, the termed, the class now, where, now, has been decatty, and, some again,

has been gunguly. So, I think, there's a consistency, there's leadership, there's a lot of the world, and with that I think, I think about,

10 years, to get to be commasuance. If not, we're making introspection. We have to do what went wrong and what went right.

Now, with that, inshallah, inshally, President Prabavow, and if anyone, we'll make in Indonesia that we have been up and down, we've learned from theongok and the development of any other than the world

manaping that's good. Yep. Bap, without manak tirican Russia, which is a quatessen the third, I want to try juxtapose or concoracikasical between Tioncok and America's Cicat.

America's America is real, since the runoff of Berlin, that's campaign-to-campanical to allure the entire d'unia. Evening, imbara, medicti, the nilay-nilay-mereka,

this is nilay-nilay that is universal and has been adopted by every world in the this is universalism. My God is your God. My God is your God. If I'ma-Intyongok,

if I'm going to be they're they're sure with with the consolidation they're more than

more than to make re-globalization but with pluralism my God is not your God but

but hormatil Tuhan my and I will Hormati Tuhan Andah

this, this if I think the better between what is what is by America's the same this is

that, in the other the other than the different somepurna in the practice of the and the upay of Tiansk to make globalization or globalization ulang with pluralism, this is still untested too.

I'm concerned with the panang of bapak on the two pandananan this. Yeah, I'm also I'm how much the the way that's about I'm notheraparra

America, the juror, it's a lot of love to make sure to make the world that is same than what they're

anod and they're doing democracy, human rights, rule of law freedom that, that's what that's that

that's that is up with universal values Then they also they're notatting, especially before Trump we have to run back in the world. We're going to be able to be able to rule. The world, what are the rules.

Yes, rules based world order. Persuolation is, who who who made rules that? Apocas, whether all the country to make runguskan rules that, or only Western countries, or negathe, this ishundred-as-as-hundred-sonsensis. Then, there's a lot of the same thing that's the same thing that'ser social, economy in the economy of America, which is not a neoliberalism.

I think we can't look at it's a lot of it. If I've got to, I've got to say, what I'm being able to make, which is-mash-sab, that's what's not that's about Indonesia. Now, back back to the question

that I'm clear, I'm just true, if allah world should be programmed to be

a entity this, this the rules and then this, this is called universal values that

that was that day because each each each, each, each, each,

the country with with wisdom with the wisdoms, with the world even with the people are you think that's

the point is the point is I don't know should be able to make making America or Tionk be it again

with looking the world with a certain, and the world of the world and see what'shink, we'll be able to and make up to what's on the

country Indonesia to realize the bentuance falsafah, bentura, the that's about the

universal values. We can't we can't bring back back but we're I'm student of history. I'm a student of history.

I'm endalami ideology Because I want to know, apicalism has to be a while while? Begutarchism as a system politic has been a power to be a authoritarianism as a long time. Is it? Did not be able to be damay?

The third way? Maybe I don't I say this. Maybe I'll end games again. Next. I've got to have a lot of school like that. That's a zone of possible agreement. Capitalism, inton, growth, protumbuance.

Socialism, intinia justice. Social justice. Now, now, in the perkemangangang, in America, in the U. in the U. or in the U.S. another, the U.S.S.

communist, it's also much to make a lot of values that good from capitalism or from from socialism. Demerican, democracy,

with authoritarianism. In order, I think, we try, we're gendh, we're thinking, not we're not ushapur,

perang, lantaran, we're, to democracy, democerianism, who's about what's about capitalism or socialism. If I, Pat, we're going,

what the people want? What the people want? If you can't be a paduant of socialism and capitalism, why not? Demiqaican. And then again, ma'allitrean, what's the system political we're,

what, pa, pa, setting, authoritarian, the second democracy, that's important, they're getting, but that's back. What the people want, what the earth wants.

If, do you know, human-centered development. If, now, it's the human-environment, environment-centered development. what the people want and what the earth wants. It's, I think, in the world, I think, for the people who are the people who are in terms of,

I love democracy, how much democracy more than than the other. I love social justice as well. I love, what name is, I love peace, I love justice, and everyone's not going to be happy. if they're better better better that's prosperity so yeah,

so if Indonesia, this is, I'm sorry, if this, this people want now, this, one piece,

the country's amand, damas, the two, justice, the country adil, which is,

the greater, the more more than more, more, more, more, more, more,

more, the more, whatever, democracy. And, less but not least, not least, if we're,

the environment. How to avoid climate disaster? Now, maybe that's, to not we're in the war ideology, the power system politic, but back to your point, in my opinion, America,

with China, silh, silh can be compagant eh, people, and the other, can't say by Shihara,

can by Shihoui, by Donald Trump, bea-true it, not even, not even, the Paxa-pac-pac-can. Mennay realism,

what what do you think on America, this is more here, if we're to docummen of national

their that's publicacation in November 2005, which, which, that, the,

It's notarangul doctrine Monroe. But in, maybe, interpretation, the new, this is they, bullet, to focus to the Benua America, from Greenland,

to the most the southern of Chile, that's Punta-Rena. For the pentingan, for the potential, the deolaten economy, now,

this, For people who in Desa, in Indonesia, to have to have realism of rangulant Doctrine Monroe that's in 1823, this is the impact to day-to-day life in the land of our here, this, how? Yeah, that's really facta.

But we have to be said with a genieh, rational, um, with the same-a-a-tergang America-Sericat, what's the impact on, what's the impact on what's about Indonesia. If I,

said justerhani, if, if I'm like Donald Trump, can be it's right, America has a man, American soil, soil, soil, because of the land,

the land, has been made by the world, has been made by the United. Benar too, barangly, Western Hemisphere is in control, because he who's got to be able to

power in the kawasan. Can't be Putin. Putin is, Russia, amman, don't have the other,

the people, the people, not-tiddle, don't be able to sit for let's think if we're as Putin.

from the geopolitic. Then, Xi Jinping, they've gotanguang-jave and the task to make sure for, let's happen, let's make, let's make, Beijing,

is the Taiwan, the bagian integral from mainland China. If you're looking like it, and the bettural they're same as strong, have had veto,

the PPP, economically, the economy's, quite, politics, militarily, and the power, technologically, that's not. We're all,

it's all that's depending on the same. It's the rise of realism that's making made, the rise of power politics again, geopolitic of confrontations. Tamba more,

the last, I'm going to be 10 years, the rise of ultranationalism is that's awarabiasanicalism. It's unilateralism. multilateralism. So, the might be let's notheralism.

So, it's not a lotang melanched great power now for the importance of their own. And it's not been to hinting by the Preserickaten banks and banks. This is,

I'm in fact, Indonesia, who don't have been bad with all the country, can be able to be able to be able to be. If we're doing our diplomacy we're

not, how toaping, we have the right, we have the people who are the people, maybe even more than if there's been a perforange. So, this is a unprecedented, in my opinion, not like this, because,

the league of banks, banks, but, B, B, B, B, B, B, it's, Dewan, Khammeran PPP, it's, could, meleray, menacee,

menace, and, and with, what, agreement, deal-in-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-. . Now way, not be able to keep putin, mengentick can't Trump,

mengenticking. Because that, it's a problem, I think I, the voice of all people around the world. I'm happy. In Davos, this is the dukewarm of my, Trump, can't tardiness, to bring green rents in a military, with or without military might.

The second, for the last two, we'll give us to us, we'd give tariff. It's very long. It's interesting. I'm not quite. I'm going to do you. I'm going to docketo Karni from Canada. Bidato Starrmer from English.

Bidato Emmanuel Macron from Brancash. Bidato Merce from Germany. And a number of people who don't stucing the way, the way, I'm going to think of the United States. Waddo, if you're not, that's the US versus the world. Not that's not quite, that's not mean

Trump gave up and didn't comealy in the way of the United States, remains to be seen. But what's just, it's good as well the question. If we look at something like this, if we're dying, it's be a bit of a lot.

Duller, Hitler is hearty because of the war the first one's the first war I'm fromchus there many people who are in front of course the economy's the world not just as a loterless laterless a lotler

and Hitler's life and with the development of the power of support and with vision that kind of want to back and damn to the manmimpin the world Many of the world that's term, it's not-mobile,

and not going to get-as-it-tellate. There's been a barang-besar the time that. My point is, if I'ma-terjank great powers who have had, that, that's, that's, it's, you're making,

yeah, they're going to be able to-can. We can't, we can't want, what is about what that's about what's about, what's about, what's about, what'shameh, what, what, yeah, that's, that's, that's the, to, haughting to, how much, you'll, to, you know, that'sitm, you'll,

you can't call, that, we're not, Indonesia, today, is, now, can't be called, middle power. We are member of G20. I could rummust can G20, in the 2008, we are the biggest country in ASEAN. We also meddle power.

Same with Australia, same with Canada. If middle power also have a say and have a way, I think not that's not that, people, people, people who are quite in the world, that's the way, I'm going to beckyrable. B, this, if this is, this is if I'm going to say, this is if I'm going.

This is that's true. This is the lawylusal that's related to principle reciprocity. So if America or the bundu of America want to be obok or besorang, they have had to be able to beindunging, Putin, can use logica that same

for the penningan existence apaping, whatever, in the Ucrana as buffer state. Now, I'm going to get a little out of NASCAR, Bapa, Baphaas, many people,

this, several days there's the board of peace. In batas wajar just, what you can't commentar in what you can't

what's going to be and how people people who have to beaming it to the front. Good. I have to make the

kind of this. Because AITCA, a person person what you know-you-lawful-correct. Politically, correct. That's, my good friend. He is our leader

now. I've given a person melancho through YouTube to be the United, hopefully the Minister of Warnedgrey and President our, Mr. Parabowah,

and we've got to beaum we're doing, we're doing, in Board of Peace. Pasti, before I've done, about our national interest, like to be,

the logic, I, and I think, should have been to be jolasked to public Indonesia because there's there again

pro-and-cuntra that's more to where, but what's about, what's the board of peace is? Yeah, I've been, I've been part of peacekeeper in Bushina so I know, presericketer of the banks, that this, this, if this, if I look, this if I look, constructsiness, what, can be called, power relations

between Trump and the other than the bottom, it's new United Nations. If the arrahnaissance, the existing United Nations. Now, paddahl United Nations that's now many of the same thing, we're not been able, because dominations

the people who are the same thing. Now, during, five HACFETA just, it's not easy to goyang, they're too quite, and all the veto. Now, now, if I've been I've been abacked exactly, I'm about about

the leader is Donald Trump. Five just. One person, that's it ought to beaum, because that, in my opinion, I'm, before we're long-and-cahap,

have to be able to one million dollars, right? One, or, one million, yeah? that's about $17 trillion, right? I mean, I'm in terms of the world.

It's okay. But, can, this is awall. We don't know rules of the games now, like what, kindleaning, domination of, interest, what, is, whether,

the common interest of us, which Indonesia also nitp the importance of there. This is just like, it's just like, I'm not in position He's not-sut-suit or because we follow

people who's the same. But what's just like this, the world the other people who are doing, not. Negara, the country of Europe,

I've never heard, Russia or China also joined in that. And this became a very. Menarick. I don't know

settlement is like, what, deal-in- like what? Trump with the country other people who don't want to join board of peace.

It's a lot of people, miscellacan, miscellar, with menimulking the new. What's good is, the pagadion. The pagadion,

that's unreselisement without menimulkan a problem. So, I don't be able to be much, but I will follow. This is interesting. This is fundamental.

This is a problem the world, the world, and the other than the other than Asia, too. Kira-kir-kir-a-kir-a-kir-a-tis-in-in-in-in-in-in-a-oh. I'm going to be here. I'm going to do. Bapak, this, you know, I'm noton, many people who've learned

the human-international. They're, I'm sure, I'm sure, is, if-kentikation-Hubbuneration to the next-un-in-lis-nation-in-mortation-lital-a-in-ment, to think about realism, and if we're thinking about realism, it's the chay we're thinking about hegemony.

Now, it's how to reconciliation the importance of moralities that has been condung in the relationship with realism that's more than realism that? Yeah, this fact, fact, now, there are three hegemonies. Hegemony, first, America,

the United States, Russia, which is the United America, more than it, is going to be global leader. So, the most dominant, the inginia

America, the United. Now, if we see, can't be there's just amenter, it's.

Now, if you're kind of values, with interest, comeally, the time, that's,

If you're trying to think Trump, Greenland is one titic in belawain our country that's very important for the protection artic in the cutop-utarch. Who's what are important? America and Canada, Europe, NATO, and also Russia. So, who's over the geostrategic? He will be un-unctonged. That's number one. The other, amethamate, if we've gotagull, we have to make sure,

making sure as to the city to. And it will be a zone of the airing lot, which is indeed urat nati, jantung from logistic and capal-perang military. So, yeah, who who can't bemoxied Greenland will be able tounked. And we can't eveningotting many of many many real earths, the place that.

Pardy, all want to beauching, because, the world of conflicting, the power of powering material strategic, for technology, for economy, for commemarer of their own, and this, I'm ague,

if they're aghue, If they listen to our idealism, don't like the penitain national, think about the world, think about it, because there are values that, I'm going to be able to beaum, I'm a bit more than,

because if they're making at a lot of it, if you're notationalists, unilateralist, country first, the ends justify the means. Tuduance, America is manned, I'm going, I'm going to. I want. The way is not care.

Deming it's also, I'm also, I'm not even, I'm not even, PPPs, who's not as soon. The other, many people, can't be able to say, can be able to do what, what's such. So, I'm also,

if I'm a government, yeah, if the government, Rijim, that's, what-naman, what-nindas, fascist, tyrann, raiatness, and it's not-man-nogarangued, the plighteran, then, what-n-n-n-a-larsh-as-law.

Belom-tent-tent-a-couatt. But, the Racket, if, if you're not-one-the-jalan, And more than a few people's matters. The other than 1, 1965, 1998. So if all the world of the world world leaders diem, you know, they're not there that's but if everyone speak out, do something together.

Contaghanor, the top of the divorce yesterday, some people leaders say, no, no way. We reject the way, we reject the way, quote, unquote. Now, analogic of it, the logica Let's make, let's think, but if we're hibble, beharap, torrong,

I don't, why not to listen, because I thinker can't reverse. It's got or won't. Saingan my, rival's a mannang, or I'm going to be that. Babbah, this I've been by the protocol we'll break in a few minutes.

But this is maybe a question that can'tar we can sender to session of the next there are two scholars named Graham Allison that's concepting the tucidus trap or the jibacan to cedus

to cedus. Tosidus is the name of the Ahehah in the Jaman Yonani who's that's people in Sparta that there's a new, the power of

the power of Atena, that's just and can't just mangancham. And if there there's a quat and there the quatown and there can be a jibakan

that can beaqan that can't something that'shue can't or unintended consequences. The second is John Mearsheimer, who's one of the book is, The Tragedy of Great Power, politics, which, the quatration that,

the, then in mindinging posturing with posturcant d'ygermonic. Now, if we're in context Tioncok and America-Sericat, do you,

two of the bigas these have been or can be trapped in the jabaking tussidous. Bungita, thank you, issue that's

the up-and-a-cats- very, and So, there's about the world about the same thing that's the same thing that's true. It's general, so it's true, and also a securawan, from Yunani. That, if it, if they're belantimur-dunia, there's a temer, name name's Shunj. So, if we look, massan, it's, can five abat before Masahi. They've got to Sidi-D-D-D-S, we've got Shun-a.

There's like Machiavelli and soagena. I think kind of care about the people think of the founding fathers during the other. The other one that's interesting, how far can we go? Rivalitas'ant to America, the United States, the casek, de facto, desks. I'm

I'm like that's right it's like to see the discreet as a gus can't be in fact it's just

bad barangly America may look Tionk 50 years last 30 years

that long the people are in the country Ketka many there many people who

Miscin and and strewusiness and stork and stork Muck Mug can China or

the Hong Kongok also not big not quite the world yet still damn down down down the same revolution

and inclusion and consolidation tibba tippa menchangkan China is rising very dramatically gagap

and the cut and not yet the American Sericat which the old it was

behind behind the same that was the back or the back America-a-a-sableness,

the U.S.A.I. Technology, some of the U.I. Technology, it's just in the front America's so much, it's not yet. Now, muddha-modan not there's the war in-tara

two countries. If the war in the area, Pacific, as one flashpoint, World War III,

it's much maybe be So now, in the Gulf of the in the Southan, the same-mingungungung the Basa Jawain, slyweran,

the armada of the Armada of America-Srikat, cap-a-pal-Pan-Perang. Belom, also, the power naval force from Japan, from Australia,

from Korea, and the rest of it. So, so, it's, the medan that's every time can't get-resque-can serious. I tell you,

there's many many scenariot that's realistic, did tell us by people who who can't people who are if next world war three, it's actually in

Mandala Asia Pacific. Like before, that's been the end. So, the end of rivalitas America-Serika with Tionk this is about

something that we're It's not we're not we're not yet. So, if we're not yet, if we're going to be able to be able to do not. Asihan, if, Indonesia, Indonesia's not quite. But if it's been with Asian, it's, it's a lot. Because the name is polar or kutub, it's not always, if you know-ifference military, or the power of the power of the power of the power of the world,

then, effectivation, the effectivity of a bloc, it can, the most not be looked, di-hutonged by the other, by bloc, bloc, the other. So, to avoid, There's the war And the U.

between the Uyongok I think I, the power of regional I have been said in Beijing and also in Tokyo that's been given to bea this a kind of dynamic equilibrium not same with balance of power

artiness we're talking China quite But also, America is also the power of history. We've got to be asia, the South, the East, there are two gajasasas, China and America's the United States.

But middle powers once again has also, to be a bigian of dynamic equilibrium to prevent the world to happen, so, so, like, so. So, like, Japan, Korea, South, there's there's Australia, there'sa, Russia

already will be able to. Now, ASEAN, Asian security community. We're not facta, not the fact that military, like NATO, like Pacta Warzawa, before, what,

name, debubarakan. But we have the quackation in context that. Point my, PPP, don't expect too much. Yeah,

the power real in Asia, Pacific, that's the the project, the change the time there's already there's ruan

moral, yeah. Why, see, has been a lot, let's be America,

the United States, and the U.S. Can't make the important to their two. Okay,

rivalitas not even diegah. I do believe will be making make it and

but, not the thing of the same, can also not doing and per-aggaghaning climate change, what-namation

what-namation, and how much-law technology, and reducing poverty with making economy more tumbled. What America got, Tioncok,

but we all also also do. This, this is an idealist, Now, I'm co-opted, ter-sinkir- by realism or reality

so you're not, believe you? Too-rehal-y-law-law-lessed-moralist. Not can't dineate-duralist like this. Now, I just want to say, never give up. Tad, if, you're back,

diem, yeah, the, not-bye, can't-beck, and then-bye-a-lain-nang, that. Now, set-lough-it-a-sher-caught, but I'm really, I'm in my general, I'm not even if I'm not yet,

with nuclear that's been given by all the world in the world. Should the war nuclear is, maca, menhambac, menhap, and hancorca, which are in front, that's kind of, the serangue first,

it's a lot of, and a lot of the two years later again again again clumping up to happen to happen landings radiation in many mana, it's up to,

more than five million again that's not able to this, this is menagerick, Nagasaki Hiroshima, it was only bomb atong. So, that, and this is nuclear warfare hulululadak

Russia, hulululadak China, Korea, Iran, Israel, for me, for me, yeah, menerickan, so, how much the way we have to stop, and to neghaghan. I'm still up

so cras-krasnakness, the nekat-necate-Naping, Trump and Xi Jinping, Alikamini, Benjamin Netanyahu, who had been able to stop it, can't even be able to, And then, muddhaven.

Now, if that's just, don't menhessal. If we're not a option that's good in context of this. Bapaguerre, if we're looking at, in 80, that's, the endapotan per-o-tourang-tournia, only $125.

America has already $1,000. Fast forward to the America, $90,000 per-one Tijuana, Tijuana, so on the United Conaikin

Keseechatraan this many people America Pertanan my What I what can

do you can't to make possible to perhaps you more optimistic or more pessimist unintended consequences,

or not? Yeah. I'm still consistent that's not that it's not possible the war the three the three

in Mandala Asia Pacific, but at the same time I also I'm notak still can be caged. Masy

even with the other upa that we can that not But day by day, night after night, I'm looking if I'm people, people who are people could beaer-can,

whatever they can do something, I'm more pessimistic, and the window of opportunity is more sped. So, the time has come, now, here all, all,

do something to make make something to to make the world it, and, That's what's what's the other. The war is the other than the first. It's the peranguania one,

because Pangeran Ferdinand, he was killed in Sarajevo. Then the war two, Tiber, disarrang by Japan. It's been called miscalculation. Strategic miscalculation. If the peoplemipen politic,

president, the president, the senator, the president, anything can happen. If they're not miscalculate, it's just that in the law, there's sersan, there's sersan,

pegang, menembaugh, the enemy, if that's not disengage, because of the chelan, it's also being a-mitchu.

So, we have to-escalate, de-escalation that we're in, that we're looking, that's in Asia, Tengara and Asia-Timur. Ibarat,

if there granite, that if the pen pangamahed, it's just galat, it will be able to beamed, now, so if it's not to beurredact, not terjade the war in Asia, Asia, Tengarra, the pinae it, to diffuse, that's, to diffuse, this,

you, is, percheon, not maybe America, Tionk, alone, have a decadourance, to diffuse, maybe, it's mulled to mucked to mennucing

and the unulgulation and the unulation. This is that's about about aboutpahed this is about the power Indonesia the bigian and I'm going to

purpanjang argumentation the com realists that it's about Iran it's very rent-out-so

because not the deterrent nuclear and the Korea-Utara that's not too obo-obok because because of deterrent nuclear. I only want to try, Baja,

Baja, whether or is, in the way, in fact, in the intuition, has to be thinking to have nuclear as deterrent, or that's a polarity or that's a policy that's wrong and we have to think about things or other than the power to make sure of the power to make sure of the future. Yeah. If you're

generalist, don't like, Indonesia, don't include on. If you're realist, why not? But I'm not going to go to go ahead. Come back to what what's happening. Menstrual Trump, to build of peace.

That's, comearying, Xi Jinping, with the people who are people who are and Silva, there's a subat-saintain Brazil, Brazil, now, we've, been able to beremuk, perpincang, pincang. That's middle powers.

If they're one, with the other, Europe, many people, the power, in Asia, Pacific, also many again, maybe will make sure can make sure.

But if they're also, not evening can't even anything can't anything by America the Ulyssar, by Russia, and by Tionk.

So, so, but if you're not, if I'm going to talk about, if we're if we're having

un-an-ang-an-an- to make weapons, nuclear, we can be a certain that. But if we

don't have nuclear power, in art the personiataan- military, we're not beaunched, but we're not to hangarer can't, but but we're going tohurt, the war in front of the second,

Indonesia, too, but Japan, why, in time, in about three-and-months, rebut all the Asia-Tengara and the asarant, the cause, the kind of ouram

our own logistic war, machine-peran, that's the jollation. Even though we don't even if we're not even if we're not in fact that's not Tijuana, but if Indonesia is the aghap strategic country that we're going to be able and we can't allow it can't be hushyani us with a thingata that

so that's delimatic yet but because of the diplomacy is very, very, very, very important. Don't know we're caseret by the people any part, but with smart diplomacy we could position our self for our own for our people but also could be able to make sure for the world that's good. But if nuclear

that's been the other, I've been put a bit of course, if I've got, if we're using, we're only using the power of energy resished, hydro, matahary, angin, geothermal. It's not enough. And so, what

batu barra, gas, the power, also, there's nothersts under declining, maybe will be banned

so we have to think to go nuclear power for the importance, for the economy, for the

energy, for the the importance what, you know, the people we're much,

think about that. I don't know how mucharh can but if we have can't have been able to make sure should be, amit-amid, yeah, Indonesia

tibba-tipa did-tigestion and we have to have nuclear if it's not the inhumaning it, but it's not, but the Paxaan the story that

maybe can't be. Bapah, this, the next in the bungusan multipolaritas. I've been

Many times in argumentation or debat with people of the people of the people who areangupe that Asia-Tengara is extremists, militant, like gontok-gontokan. But I have argumentation that over two thousand last while we gotoresed

by some peradaband from the peninsula Arab, India, Tionkok, we're relative peaceful and stable with the death, fatalities than what we're seeing than what we're sacksica in Europe. Europe, the war in the first and the two, and the two, other, more than 100,000 people,

men'sia, because frixies, and opinion, and the kind of with theaulatan, ethnicity, and race. Now, argument that can bekembanked isa-Tegas is very very capable

to be in stability and predamane or kedomayan in context that's very multi-polar for 2000 years. This era multipolar has been tibah.

How, to the world, to be able to be able to get-plitability and and in the context multipolar and how Indonesia can't

the way that's in a context that's far as multilateral in banding the before because the paradoxal is the more than the unilateral, the more than superlateralization that's how to Indonesia

can navigateasy for the same, stable, and can't make uproquembourg, the peace of economy with many countries. Yeah. If that's what we thinker can, maybe we must we start from big picture first.

The world, can, there pendulum that pergaret, and bipolar, bipolar, maybe unipolar. So, multipolarity that's that's in the world from the mass to mass. But multilateral, multilateral, that's a good,

but multipolar that's going to to have been a conflict, crisis, even, that's the problem that, that's the other, now, it's still multipolar, but there's tendency,

America, and enigmatic, the world after the war dinged, before China rising, before Putin nekate like this, because it's been

malulkan also, the callah the war dingin this, this because it, maybe more more did more

more potop-n't- the end up the theory I, dynamic equilibrium, saleming-mage- -mage-mere-of-power, that malach-a-pire-n't-pire-n't-pire. The war-dinginging-ccuh,

not there's because there's because there's a one of the same I'm from the Asian this is really puttaping not only community but the the power of economic

the powering, the power of military and also the power of the bestemannes as community if that that just before

we've been doing something I was done by Malaysia to-mary Lemhanas Malaysia. I'd be called upon Asian. They're criticis all. I'm saying, I'm saying,

asian, don't even be able to be relevant again. Don't even think of Asian, not there's gunnation. That has to take. And I have to say, with all the koregown asian,

since birthed in 1967, this still, utah, not that's not bubered, there's noubourn, there's nolley Cumbering Camba,

I'm sorry not to get get done by other other that means it's beautiful

wonderful So, because that ASEAN, for me, if outward-looking jade

asian asian as polar polar, as the as power that's over the power that's over other power

to the middle or middle power now to be able to we've got to even puttickan the ideology and the system politic is better

culturen't but if community we're adopting values of asian asian way in solving problems

there who critic asian what asian that not there's structure loose, about the EU Europe, it's structured, rules-based,

and then, and so forthing. What's what happened? Tashantull-Lumah, that's a good-fought. I've been met with Angela Merkel, my good friend, in G20,

at Kans, at once, there was a day, the Uni-Europa, stang-report, like, to get-a-oh-potus. because because of people

people are so much more not just so I'm not so I'm sorry I'm saying there's a lot of yeah this we know this we're not

have been a structure not have been rule but but malhousal saling saling mellate but don't be

that means not mean that'sian is superna I'm to the pagans asian that by the agam asian that'sian

Asian, the ASEAN's upbuck, the world, but also also, repartican the democratic values. Even if we can't

we can't, we can't, who can't, even democracy it's also democracy, many of the there, there's wajah burqa,

but if we take the good for our people. Even though, if people don't get around, to participate, to speak out. And the long run, it's also be bad-baghia. And we've been purgifted. But democracy, we're living. Begit- Don't get.

Puttank, Bhopal, you know. Bills, we can't get two-a-dhundred. Not to bea-one. Asian also, I mean, in fact, I'm going to make sure, asian. I'm not yet, if you'll be it's the other than what's the one of the potom's not being, but that's not even though it's even for sure that it's, but what's important, but what's making Asian, making Berwibawa, making

more we're going to be able to, that Mr. B'apah, this Asian, is is a quater, maybe can be able to the time polar polar that's what are you should be pertentung-down in context multipolarity

selain asian. Kekwotan, the quatown shapa such. Yeah, if Asia-Pacific, yeah, tentoia, asian must be good with Hong Kong,

back with America Sericat. Don't mishak. We don't have mishah. We're a good friend of China, good friends of the US. Not even though their security,

soarant, too, if they're going to be able to be a war before. The first, I think, Europe also reach out Indonesia, reach out ASEAN.

So, partnership, collaboration between Europe and ASEAN is being perquat, apolag. Apolagi,

they're on over Donald Trump, so, trey-brii of them, Now, come right out. Comearming in America Latin, right? They're also trying hinterland that new,

the place of work-samee that. And, I mean, from the economy that and Japan, any other than the power, unknowled, Japan, Korea, as one entity, nice to those two countries. Australia,

the other than-gues, also, in the middle of the world. And in the other geopolitic, geo-stratogy, we should be nice to all powers in this region, in the area, this isa, this is a percumpulant that's briggs.

Indonesia, on 6 January, 2005, to make a decision to include. This is maybe a bigian from the way of the world of from the world of diversification. What I'm going to ask you about what I'm going to talk about, if you're comparation rational

that's for Indonesia to include in bricks, how that's it is bandingingan with rational Indonesia to include in board of peace? This is a part of this. This is a question is bad, This is the gallery, if you're the answer for say,

A plus. If you're better, a plus. We're going to, we're doing. There's rational. Why, Indonesia, join breaks. I know. We can get an opportunity, with bris,

the country, and the rest, and the country, and, and, fine. That's right, that's right Indonesia.

The right, Indonesia has to bring breaks, there's group that's not happy. If you're big blocks, same G7, economic blocks. Now, two-doullia's political economic blocks. It's not just to beisagued from politic it,

gampang, lantan in Indonesia, Brix, G7, the other and the other, the country, but that's the right, there's not that,

Indonesia, now now now, now that's part of peace, same rationale, we're, we're talking about, we can't talk about why Indonesia must board of peace.

And, then, benefit what can be able to from board of peace, so, such, such, secerah,

in justifications, nanty, the, into Indonesia to bricks, and the word of peace, that's, we're going to,

we're going to get back it, Like what's just one thing, this power relations. To make bruce is, Kakka, so back brother's, can, so much the big brother's and Russia.

I've been a couple of Brazil, you're not too far with Indonesia, Korea, Africa, Africa, India, more than India, more than big brother's China, India, and Russia.

But Indonesia, not maybe be get to begettuked. Indonesia still has rules. It's still did hear the sound. So, from the side that,

I don't really worry with we're going to get to break. Now, birth of peace, many things remains to be seen.

This is samar, Samar, just-hmm, yeah, muddhawned not in control

Trump, he himself, and he himself, and he himself, that's really, it's not

good, I'm not because, I'm not good, but if Indonesia, even if

Indonesia also did hear the power of, have, um, the, um,

to mormosk about, in there's good, both economy, morepun, and, thembant theodah

our state in Palestine. Because, the machete solution. The fact of it's a year,

bigge to make projankan the country Palestinian merdika, but he'd up

dampingan with Israel. That's the people, almost almost like that.

But, But there that's not yet yet still solution. Palestine, utamination Hamas, Israel has not there. There's the other than Israel that's the power of, Palestine, there.

If this, not can't have any solution until ever upon. My hope is the bird of peace this, this, the catalystor,

and it's a way of realization from two-state solution that. So, because my hope is,

Board of Peace this also Mawaday, make-a-Megas people who are conflict so that we're making, we're talking about everyone, justice for security for everyone, security

for everyone. If that's actually, I mean, it's just a matter benefit we. We have a girl breaks, we have a family board of base.

But if I, I'm sorry, we've got has to bea20. Not much as to G20, I'm going to do the process. Then we also have a couple of other, ASEAN. G20, ASEAN, okay,

now, Briggs, now borough of base. Pandey-pandlea-pand-a-lac-lac-coulders. Pande-laping, we're communicating with the world, with our people, with our people, our people, and our people. Why?

We're joined, G-20, I've got to askiae's already, but breaks down, per office this is something to be jellasksed with back, next. This is a bungusant that's here, this isaicahua.

Bapa, you've been able to say it's been a lot sandsa'clock that, you know, the kawasan, with option to be ayun between cutop with cutup and gothapalh, this this isabarad, or America, the United.

I'm looking that, I see that Asia-Tengara can bidique Tioncok more for the pentingan technology to the front. Because it's not because innovative or inventive just,

Barat, but more expensive, but we're more than much more than we're under get to medicaid barat or America-Sericat for economic capital. Because they're limpa, limpa, with liquidities or money. That's up until today, ...to-hazilat-hungarah, with a scale as well-mestiness. Because, maybe,

it's not a peneggagal of the Ucum, because of the capacity translarsie-Tangara. Is it a pemmikirang can be pertimbanked to the front for all the world in Asia-Tengarah? D'pirtimankan,

it's a-minkirang-an-kind-out-the-box, thinking outside the box, And if there's And then, together, I'm sure their own together maybe technology

that's the lead for China capital the capital the penitainer from the US take the lead then we also share

what the task if we're if we can't not a hand no peace Nobel Peace Prize from where

from the world novel, not Nobel. From Oslo. I'm serious. If that's true, it's true. It's amazing. Okay,

indah. But, let us dood up together. Maybe not asmudor that, the basisarer the price of

the same, the same that I don't like, between the Hongk and America the States.

Dasarned, zero sum. America team-com-k-k-m-k-m-k-m-k-m-k-m-n-nown-send if we can-mendem-nizabeth. Now, if we can't make-make-up of cooperation that's-of-all-old-old-court.

Theom-Kok-dbos. Asian-Dap, Indonesia, d'ap. Now, formula, that can lulloch-can think-lick-n-l-luck-to-rivali, that we don't know when And the end up what? So, beautiful mind don't be able to think

there's power now. Maybe, I'm going to make, not hoax, yeah, I want to make out-outiquez, yeah, the truth of Godinia, the world has been brought to comeary, there's been a party in Bali

that's been by Donald Trump, Xi Jinping, and Putin. They're both of support to bekerhous, after long, after long as long as I'm sorry, I'm not wrong, I'm not, not hox, not fake news, mimpy, co, I'll tell you mypies mypies that. Yeah, if God be a hend, not there's not even in the world. But, what's the last, it's not going to come from the language, unless we're in. that umat Islam

that'slam notakable nothersts the other than the last year the same uphapal the same. So, muddhaven, it's, unthink someone time,

who's, to be a reality. Maybe test litmus that's extreme in Asia, Tengara, is in our lifetime, there's the time, there's being a reactor

nuclear for energy, with technology from Tjongok and from Daphn's from J.P. Morgan. That's possible, that, there's a lot. There's a lot of that. If there's a lot of it, and,

um, I'm going to, I'm with, I'm back, in Palo Alto, Stanford University. I'm going to ask a discussion

the manan-mentary-energy America-Sirica, the U. Staphn's discussion at there. And what we do discusses again

Indonesia has been the electric, energy, but the amount for Indonesia, technology is there-janko, the price not too much.

It's not. It's not. Same, among America, un-tonged, we want. Now, the way that's

thought, if we're, if we're about the Tionkok and America Sericat, Asian also because of the tendency

they're trying on each masing as each masing both for economy and for protection care of the country. So that's the challenge

of ASEAN how, asian is if maju, If we're ma'amour, macum and we're not allowed we have a mimpie

like that, because it's very our dreams come through. I'm going to asian. This is pupo since the

year of 1767 with the keypenting codification about things including economy, politics,

buda, and line, This is that's great, stability, and other than, and line, but maybe if I comparations with EU

that's being supernationalist. This I'm not aspacat with supranationalism. But there's one one thing that makeshackan say, about

with penidikin. We're being being in Asia Tengara about diversity but we're not even over-gentsy, in context of the development. From 11th, there's one of the more Lestey,

that's only two of the score of the same 15-year to communicate and be-hung or stem, that's only two of the other, the Rata-Rata-Dunia, Singapore and Vietnam. What is sayanged, nine other than the other than the other, there's 10,000 campuses

in Asia Tengara only two universities that in the perinkat 20-teratas. So it's from Myanmar to Philippines, this divergency pendidikin, this is maybe correlates with

divergency of economy. There's the $1,000, there's $1,000, $91, Indonesia, $5,000. What's possible, Bapakirc, to be able to think about some degree of supranationalism,

intervention or interference, to make slaraskan, capaing of peddica. I don't know, I'm concerned just. Pandan about how, how? How about how? I'mappanation why there gap

in Indonesia with Singapore and Vietnam and also the other or negara Asian other in the above what is

what is what is what there there's complexity there's there, there's much people,

the level of income also, because, the agaran there's under quick to get-catched

we have human capital becomepetitive, and can be able to be able to beaing. But I suppose that it has been a priority for ASEAN. If Asian as a entity,

asian economic community has uplifted and at a level of certain it, it's much better than China, beacara with China, or in the world, the other, So I'm going to say, I'm going to say,

I'm going to say, there's three bapagascarraic Tiong, from Mocetong, revolution, Deng Xiaoping, infusions, and then Xi Jinping consolidation.

Consolidation all of Xi Jinping is the same with Indonesia after 1998. Reforms, transformation. We are we are we are being being a way of the human sub-drable-alam, away with economy

that was too agraris and not to adapt to technology and so forth. Away, how much the publican between the city and the other, so mumponged we are in there, make sure that after all, human capital is about our future. Or our future is about our human capital. Soing nationally,

President Pramower and the other than, butto-put-put-potas-can. Don't just serve-bondah, not just infrastructure, even, but please and please, please, and please, the education, human capital,

to put-pudel to be a priority, allocation, anguaran, more, room, more, synergy with industry back,

so, so there's the need of the education, and, job, jobat, it's we have to be, but it's not a matter,

but the water of the past, 15, 20 years to come will be. So, the inting is I's too, and it's, there room to be able to talk with the same Angota ASEAN,

not even gungue that's just but, the work same that good, also, and, and, more much, more, more,

more, more, more than, Mr. Mambubani, has been Isean, that'sa'u, that'stut

men's about because of the people of the people that not disadari

by many people that that we have to or do by people

by the people I'm the people of Oslo. I know, independent

independent, not be taken up by anyone, including the United Norway, the United States, so maybe

there's biaz in the decision on the people, the Nobel medamian, who's

that's not that. Hopefully, they're objective, jude, there's, there's, there,

there, bayang, bayang, that's there's that's this, 1667,

peaceful, no war, except the kentilkitschial and Thailand the same thing deserve to get back the same

why not? So, I'm sorry not, so I'm going to be able to be it here. I'm going to be sorry, yeah, kind of dishingoingung

and not happy Cambodia, Cambodia, TIPA, Tijuana, which made become maker to beismaker's, let's say president Trump.

President Trump, if you're going to beasemaker, that's more than the world three, the war of the world, the world, America, and so much,

and, and, Cambodia, our own affairs. We can't, we still remember when to be the mendinger during

Cambodia, it's a bit of course, since, President, Mention, and the President, the Patan-Badhii, now,

I'm approached to medea-kind. But I said, I'm not, sir-Asian Asian who had beenatangy I'm-Marchum

Surin-Bichuan, Bapak, you've got, I try my best, I approach, then, it's almost so,

then to-bour- -mob-u-ad-cob-a-cuh-counter-a-cuh-lach. There, there's-cuh-cuh-l-l-cuh-n. Now, Kyrgyzstan, Lange, Langell, Langell,

Langell, Lange, I'd beampingy, Mardi Nata Legawang. I said, this is a lot of community. We've got to say, it's already

to look to PPP, embarrassing, memulukan, if this isa' And, I've heard, Sampi Bancum,

Mugoum, can't make sure there'sa'a. Can you have Indonesia, there's B.I. My good friend. Now, there's I'm I'm trying. How much the way of it? So, I'm trying to see why. I'm going,

secedicca. Hunsen first, he's general. Jago Perang. Abisit, scholar, internationalist, technocrat. Again, Hunson, bicarat, right. Longsum, it's hard, right. Longsum, menuding

Abisit. I think I was I was I was I was like I was listening to both of them I'm as I'm asheed, same kerosyathe, same kreassiziz, same. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So, what do you want in Cambodia to drop Thailand? Yeah, I'm all right. I'ma, asker, Thailand, this, this, this, this, this. Baru I'm going.

Abisit, same, okay. I'ma, but Kambuja has, began to begene d'u. I'm going to God, I, yeah, Allah. And then, why? We'll take one basket solution. Your call today, one, two, three, four, disallowed, dislikedleksanagan, and it's done done in un-saling.

Subhannalah, there agreement. And I said, okay, please, the menlo, don't go along, mannui's-a-a-hizit, men-un-hun-Hunsen, men-lkeet-marty. They're mackered. They're m'n-lund-l-l-hurti. There's a agreement that's

14 years. I'm not so up. I'm not sure up. I'm not sure. And then make the screen, photo, to put up, back the scene.

So, they're not embarrassed. So, that's put, to the hand we're in Jakarta, in 2011. Munchal again

2005, can 14 years then. So, point I am that is, it can do notcucing

more embarrassed if people people people become more than because we're still resources. There's political resources that we have to make at least. Baja-all, this, we've got running out of time,

but maybe the person after the back, this, how much to come to come to come back diplomacy in communication

to the community international. Yeah. This is a good point and I'm I'm really hope that's all that you have been opportunity

to make good in international, in the political of our country we're here.

There's many that we have been panchang can continue, will be there, there's

Tongue, top and downs, will be up, ups and downs. But how, Indonesia, who have got to be it, who have dreams, who have values, and also have interest,

it can make a work international, the human, the publican international that's the most, for the main thing of our, number two, without making,

meningalkingakan quashipan international, and that it's, Now, President Sukarno garriskan name of politics Bebass Active. 10 years I'm still

I'm going to keepanked with all direction foreign policy. Indonesia has bad with the country middle power and great power,

especially G20. Ba'bite. That's the second. Now, the third principle is one, 1,000 khani, sooan,000 of us. That's principle.

But it's just in diplomacy, do youcukes in foreign policy we're, divulcate our objective like what, resources we have what, now, in there's just about diplomacy, in the world like this, So I'm notewasic, has to talk about,

and has to work, and diplomacy didleuked by galangang of the other country. Diplomation we are rest-to-wee by the Raiat Indonesia because we make a diplomacy

that's the most for the important for our and because I think generation more more than will be a generation

more too, and that's your time all next to engage in there to do that's about for the goodaicant Indonesia. So I still optimist

with generation muda. The time is the people who are people who are doing to be in general future in Indonesia more india.

Loar-biasa. Thank you very, POSB. Thank you,