Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Peter Carey: Tanah Jawa 300 Tahun yang Lalu

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

Sejarawan senior dan Indonesianis, Peter Carey, membahas Hindia Belanda pada masa penjajahan Daendels dan Raffles. Mulai dari lanskap dunia pada pertengahan abad ke-19, peran Pangeran Diponegoro dalam memperjuangkan kebudayaan Jawa yang adiluhung, serta bagaimana Indonesia modern mesti tampil di hadapan peradaban-peradaban dunia lainnya hari ini. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #PeterCarey ---------------------- Jelajahi dan diskusikan lebih lanjut episode ini di https://endgame.id/ ---------------------- Catatan dan referensi episode ini: https://sgpp.me/EGepsnotes ------------------ Untuk ajakan kolaborasi dan kerja sama, hubungi kami di sini: https://sgpp.me/contactus

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in Jakata check detail and ticket and ticket-negame Town Hall. Hello, you know, today we're

coming Peter Carey. He was a person and also Indonesianis who's long metap in Indonesia.

Peter, thank much. Thank you. Thank you. Atast a undangangangangang that's

special for me. It's. It's a great. It'sempatan and co-wattan. I want

to ask. You know, you're in what that was called Burma, in Rangoon. Then you're in Newmah.

So, tell you, de, perjalanen through your life. So, yeah, the father I'mgut in Patualang. Ibu,

I'm here in Shanghai, generation the three from the people who were who Buley

in Shanghai, in International Settlement. And, Iya, my, the birth of Liverpool. When he, 21st one town,

he'd be made to go to Yangon, when it was Rangoon, to make chabang from import-export, because Bermat at that was a one of one that export baras that's the world

more than 2.8 jute a tonne per town. So he made live in there and Ibu also there, but there's tecatee from the

war and there's tecatee from the international that made by they're metemu

at the war on 13-3 they were menikar when I'm my mother my wife

partama who made the power sexi Intel the second in Hong Kong and he's

and I'm my dad mytongue all the world colonial in Burma did lululantakan

by Japan and he has had to get 750 kilometers from Yananjong to

Miller in Bangladesh to milamack Niawa and he got malaria tropis that parah

and they're to quetta to to be staff college in there like Camando staff and yeah

in Bandong yeah and where I'm my buzsai made to be partpustakawan in there

and then long lang buana can't with topic and then can't go to Oxford then to

Cornel then back to Oxford that that's how much that yeah

I'm actually not many menhiro can sejada asia and when I did

didic in the English, at Winchester and Preparatory School at Temple Grove

Grove and the Leby Tataric Mukin and speak in Africa or

the empty quarter but when I did uh... Ujian terahir

as a S-1 in Oxford I I'm not ranking one and not ranking two and I'm starting meniaping

for Ujian Lisan and when I'm made up to dojian Lisan, there's a friend

from Professor I, Richard Cobb, namania Jack Gallaha, who is with us in Lone in Belio and he said,

I don't won't make Rackisia but if you can make make sure we can't we'll be

with ujian Lisan, you can marae Ranking 1, and with Ranking 1 automatically

there's one of one Barsiswas from the government SSA C Grant, and if with

SSS RAND will make what as a judo penilitian. And I say that it's

it's gampang for I'm because I have been to French and I GAPP here

in Grenoble so I'm quite fashy in the French and I can make mely one of a realy

from Hexagon in Franceis to make a matter of the impact from the revolution French

to have the people, and he said, Bung, don't, this is too

padat, but if Bung Tartarik with Zaman of the revolution

Pranci, let me take Pulow Jawa. Because Pulow Jawa can't dampak because Napoleon memelie

one of Mariscalk Damans to come to come to to make a one of

sapu-bersi from VEOC and letack can foundation and letack tiang

for one one of a country colonial baru, so with Idels and idea

from Pondas Jawa, I injack Kauk in Cornell, with ESU, English-speaking Union scholarship to make support me as graduate students. And, in the

corner of the they're saying, this is not Bidonial History. So, you learn more than DASA, BASA, BASA, and

BASA, and BASA, to make make asset aset from ARSIP. And if still, TATL, we'll we'll

make-hargay it because it's it. It's from the artiness of

the from from the from from the area of one of one of

one of VEOC but we're we're we're going to use

the from from from from vizio and with that

with that I'm in that my phasian I in Banda

Belanda, and that's Alot, not like Ovenheimer that can be in six mingue makewassay, BASA, to make up to make a charma. That's what we

did, that. Yeah, in Laird. And I did I pinjam from Professor I, Ben Anderson, Residness van Indonesia,

and Zagh, and, yeah, at the awalmany, at the haremant, one bab per a day and when I'm

about about men about about the war in Dpoenegro

Pongu there a lithograph from the menand the decock Dost

that makes Kisak in Pekekero in the Poulot in Caliprogo metese

with his two hundred passucan Burtombac and there some such contact

batin I was that I look at Tiponogoro on the USU I can see route

muka with with a but there some kind of contact patin and I said this I can

take a figure transissive from the dandals We're abys we're under d'n't you

under d'clock called Jakarta Lloyd in Staten Island and then you I always make illustraising

the whole over three months. Like in Taman Mini Indonesia, before it's near Sumatra

that. Yeah, Toulog Butum. Sillan. Yeah. Actually, this is a bettulance

for Madigra. Sure. Wachto. It was 14 February 1770, and I blibur, to go to

Mississippi to look in Darmaga, and I see a lot of cabal daying, and there's an area of

Darmaga, hussos for Jakarta Lloyd. So there, with a ruff big way, this is the mooring place for

Jakateloid. And this like Lord Jim, Conrad, made me I inspiration. I've got four

time medicam in the seminar and conferences and lectures and the arsip and perpussackan. This is a

way to how much menemucan Indonesia real, not from highland, not from book.

And I came back to Cornell, menhad up with Professor I, Ketua, from the

Badanuji I, George Kaine, and he said, this, this, this, I'm in the course

in the course in the course of in the course, the judge the class the two and um

that you're in the course I am Imam Pamujo and he is a gun from Jakarta Lloyd in New York

so I'll I can bell like we like we can bell to the president

from the Jakatel and he he made one interview for I'm

Pamujo with Istrini, or the American in an apartment that's good

with scenario on Hudson River and yeah we have a spakat I can

make Capal Jakarta Lloyd Samratu Lange that did do with Christov

for Bung Karno in Dansik in 2006 two. And this is a casepaten

that's a lot of and very because there law leaps and there are a couple.

Atas Kapau, from Nakhoda to Klasi, all of Indonesia from different

Makhanaanaana Mena Kau. Opsier Peruera 1 is one one Ambon, Kepal

Missin, the Jawa and yeah, I can I'm going with all.

So, this is a floating tamal mini Indonesia. And

every day I have misuik with food I'm with

Taruna and also I'm also I doibate in the

machine and with shot from holes and take

all all that Nyeang, from Bessie. And, yeah, in a

week, it's one, because we were way from New York to Senegal, Dakar.

From Dakar, we have went to Caliph Good Hope. Cape of Good Hope. And then we've

we've been two-ri-tun from Gandum for Saudi. So, we're labo in Jedda.

for two mingue. And from Jeddah, we're through Djibouti to Engano. From Engano, we're from

Jakarta Loid in Jakarta. Don't to Priok, but to be Sumatra Timor to take caret. So we're di-alikan

from Jakata to Pelembangiri Jambi Jambi Jambi. It's great So, so so this

a case that's a very much very much I'm going to America on the

ship I'm from America to make caraval and we can

see and there there there there from yeah yeah

jarac javs from the time abat 18 about

we we're we have we have menp down Indonesia not

night car but naip Kapal. And one of the, it's like an introduction to the

Yavan salmon living, yeah, Javanese community living, yeah. And also, there's some chasialan juga, yeah, it's not moulous,

because I'm very raucous, and in aatus capal, I'm going to something that's something that's did do with Gula Jawa and

cacang Usespuntu I pecc in the tanga tanger Kali Musi so like

Demeter and Persephone yeah we're we've brought 7000 gandum to Saudi

but I'm also to run to the world from King Hades for six

mingue in Pallembang when it was in operation but because acute peritinitis so almost must endangue

to come to India and I have a man very much who took I'm in Priyok

when I didn't come up in Priyok he took Marpati to

Pellembang and look I'm at Rumas Caritas in and every

day, it's a more more red and more reddish in raut

muka full with the rotoran from from I'm

from I'm in a kind of kind of quite and he

with very too too and very top he, he,

he, he, they make the system the class system to menacken

Dutte-Basar our Haynesworth to there is in from Changi was at

RIF based in Singapore they can send one one of one person to Talang Betutu

in Pellembang so I can be dismalmatkan and be to Singapore.

So, there Malikat and also there Hades and there, yeah, mucham, so,

yeah, it's like what the Rolling Stones say, you know, life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans, yeah?

Um, you're not you're going to always get what you want. And then, then you're not. Then, you're going to take

car at a fire in Jokja, to Jokja, and then to get to Maliboro. As a can't kind of

like there pangilan. Yeah, that's first time in this I have been going to

Jokja. I don't many people. I'm able Sanja Utama that came in the station Jokja

menelang Magrib and I go to Jala Maliah Boro and I mean, I mean, I was a lot of hotel, yeah, Jasmine or Lozman,

I'm a small, I'm going to, and I'm going to comear-mandi. And, in the world of Kamar-Mandri, there's one of the time I from Jakarta who's doing mackoos some of one program Gizzi in Gunung Kidoo to make sure to make gizzi for anachan. And he said, Ayo, Peter, we'll notton Wang.

And I said, yeah, Wang Wang, wanton Pundi, and he said, I have no idea where it is. We've got to go by Bechak.

And we're naid pechak. Mudah, two Bechak, not one Bechak because, casian, Tugang Bechak with two

people Bully that's soo gomok and and bizarre. And we We've got Kira three kilometers

with Bechak through Jalan to Areal from Barat-Laut from Georgia at that

were over Sawa and there kongong in on the and then and at the end we're

in a lot of a plattaran where Wayang Wong is in Selangarakan that is Pendopo Pendopo

Pendopo that's made by General Serono from Divisies Diponegoro Total Baru but I'm aware when I'm doing to

palataran it that this is puing-phing from Tagorejo is the condioman from DiPonogoro so much

I'm injack injjjah like I called for Sawan and that and it's not something

it's just elok yeah not mancams, there penampilan or wangstit that's

something elog, like I'm like I'm Roshu and give one of one

that's a warkah at the awaulner can give can give you can't

you're some you've illustrasic that the period over several decades

that's the decade that did not by Radeemas Uttuio or Diponegoro it's to be

picu or it by tsunami the tragedian the world which is that might bemullo

in revolutions 1795 then thenacan Napoleon 1799 he was he was

18094 but maybe illustration can how much the power of partikayan between two

the power between the United and Belanda, even there is the three namely English,

how much the power the people, the world the end of the 19 in Indonesia.

Yeah, I'm actually for I, as a sejaroan, it's the First World War. Yeah?

Yeah. Prang Napoleon, the war revolution is a problem global for the world for the world for the world British

memotong from their raja in January 1799 and in the month same

the English medellate medeclarasical perang to the republic and republic to be a very for English,

because all senty-sendee from the society and constitutionis ingris, didasark on one of one one of one

monarchy and and all that. All that will be, can be sikat the abys sumpamia we're unto

and Pranches can makelucked English. So, this one one Prang ideology. It was an ideological

war. We're in terms of we're we're giving expedition to Argentina, we send expedisi to Syria and

Mesir. Also, area from India is one one of a part of the war

because we have to repartan penguins for being un- can't

india. And India is one one tanksy in in the land

India for us 250,000 PASU PASUCAN SIPO that we can

use in all the area. And if it, di-bekukan by assets

military French, it can be fatal. So, Lord Minto did do the

government English to make the plo Poulos that Poulog, Poulog, Poulog,

Bobon, Poulos, Mauritius, and Poulog Jawa, yeah, in the Laught India. And

the entire Poulou, 1809 for Pobon, 180, 10, and 1811, and 111,

to Poulou Jawa, yeah, Mintoe with a PASSucan. He's not a

person, military, he's He is a governor general of India. One of the first of the general of Bengal at the time, that's juluked. And he willowang can

seven-billion-bun from three-town or four-town as a governor-general for expediency to Jawa. And we have to ask what they're going to come to here. This is a certain. This is something

that's a thing for English something that's something that from the people of Minto

and he abeaking instruction from the government and from RAD van India in

EIC that the Polo Jawa did takluck and then tarik some Pasuqan

he said it's not menosiawi so should did talklok can we have some such

administration and administration is a something that's expensive. How can I get a cheap administration? And he ambiel cartu truff, he, is a person freemason.

Yeah? Mesen-bebas. And he piquir, simply when we're notclucked some of asset military, Franco-Pranshys, in a hitungu, so that's a match,

so that we'll rank a clubber baser, the Crensons, the Muntingis, the Van Brams, so they're so they're sub-gabong with us

and tally that's the tally from mason-bebas because they are mason-bebas and we're

in India his brother lodges and what what you want to do is that he he makes

put on raffles at the time, but he's much mudas in the in the

environment of Mason-Beabas and the boughan down on from Nicholas Engelhard

who has one of a repusacan that great in Chililita he's

he must in the freemasons and that that it has a tally one of

one shaman this is international yeah maybe Now, we're in lawlessan Oxford or Harvard, or is, yeah, one of one gabbong

that's hussus. But this is the First World War. Java is in the First World War. Two questions. What, what, in front you, that's in fact structural, to bea. And,

um, berat perlaken or sikap English to have java than what

what is done in 2008 to 2011 from 2011. And the two, and

the two, is, and the fact, that from the time, that,

Raffles or Raffles, or Raffles, that, that fascination is, it's, the world

Jawa, at least yeah, actually, he had, he, he, he, he,

he, made, uh, koolit-kidthin in, um, East India Company House,

with gaij kare-kira £0 per town, yeah, um, maybe 20 jute per

town, yeah. And, he came from no, but he shared so

sherdas scaly there Xerox machines, not a photocopy yeah

he made make sure he because he has made salinan

from some lot of Dashima to Mokka to Coramandel

to yeah from some asset asset from East India

company and because he has his photographic memory

some document that he menialin, he can be retensy. Like Einstein

in the Kantor Patent. He's like a yeah, a can'tot patent, yeah, he's like a computer.

Or Benjamin Franklin at the postakan in Boston when that yeah. Yeah. He,

he could be multitasking. Yeah, he could be doing this. At the same time you're dictating the Bhagavad

Gita to his punia jurutulis and at the same time dictating a letter to

Lord Minto. Yeah, so dispatch. Yeah. He was a multi- Yeah, he had been a Yeah.

He's a social climate. He's a social climber. He's a person who may beauchy and he has one

one of a way that's really to merankul people who are more than more than

people more than he didn't patronize them. He didn't getelowant, not people who

um, as a lot of people, or people kind of, alamia. He's quite alamia.

And like idea from Mintoe and even it's, that's from Raffles, and

all yeah, he can make atur from Malaka and Pinnang to, he'd give a surat

to some of Patingi and some raja in the Antarro Nusantara from Pellembang to Bonae and Bali he's a political agent for the government

and he he's a bit of but how much to make Buckech people to want to bekerja with English because whileop we can't

give a person that's just a part of 12,000 passucan, almost from assets, asset

military, have to take from Jawa to medan war or in

Mesir or in Europe and in Europe, so he has done to make

one one system in which people people derangu here,

so he has many people Pety local like Suria de

Mongolo in Torboyo, a one of a brother Bustaman

who has a subah Arab Jawa. He had Paku

Nata Nata Naga in Sumanup Sultan Abdul Rahman who

made and work with Raffles for History of Java.

He had been Nottok Kusum that Kulak that Kulak

is being Pakualam. So he he can with jilly, know that

buddaya is a kind of kunti to be them from people from the

local. And we can see, actually we use now in the language but in

the language Jawa, and if you Kroford, resident, he can be gawas

Jolla Kromo Ingiel in the in six month, and Cromo Ingill has been a part of

him to make sure of a person to doggas as a person to and IANogor Paroatu and

Ayaniah Sultan Ketiga and all negotiations. And if we look the world

in Pornogoro, it's much much soly. And the medium which joined those was Javanese.

He had a doctor private of India, the people from Zippoy, yeah, from Bengal. He had

Paman favorite of the people, Jaya Kusumu, the bunda is Masayu Somersanwati of Tyeonghu

Salir favorite from Hamegono Kedua. He had house guests Alansari from Jada, one of

a group Sadagar, and he, and he had had been a suburb that every

day be joined John Grover so of a Calvinist from

Edinburgh so in one one much it's not in

the cotak Kotak yeah this this is per

chinan this parcojan this are a real area of

um tribum di Tamansari yeah it was a very majum

world and the glue which bound that together was the ability to use Javanese. Yeah, that was the lingua franca.

In interaction, that's the penicapingapa social and culture that, it's a contrast that's quite big than what what was happened in three years before. Yeah, when Raffles... Because pendants, because pendants,

Dandals, is a person took on pukle. Yeah. He's not a hear of ministration. But, but at least, he can passar Malayu, not beasa java.

And he took casasar and very kejamb, yeah, he, the, who are,

who's, who's, because he can't, the Umban, and Banda, Pulabandah to England,

he, he, he, the, he, he was shot. Aseurang he made jankal

he did a real from POSFeg, also did be anchored to POSFeg and a man who

made jacques with parmarsori favorite from Gano two, also in Brondon

he was just shot by firing scott this is a little line, yeah? And I

think in the I thinkeran's a far-fetched. This is, because di Ponegoro, mao, so orangue, a biographer, and not a Dutchman,

yeah? Because he looked back to this era of the British time as a Zamanmas, yeah? Well, that's kind of. Yeah. He's betopetum,

it was an enlightened period, and it was a period where Budaya Jawa Mugin, for the wrong reasons, the hargaid and do orbit can. I'm obviously, Raffles his knighted on the 27th of May.

And he's just published his book on the 10th of May 1817. Jadi, this night down, Bukhania, because Codewallis, the Saratoga and Yorktown, and to be here, so perity Hugh Hope,

the Peninsula Wars. But also, with Melang Languana, with Asset Budaya, and history of Java was a phenomenon, yeah? Banya Orang Yang Meng Inchar, Java became a fashionable term, yeah?

A fashionable. People wanted Javanese furniture. Queen Princess Charlotte, who was married to the heir to the throne. Diadibri, Asset Asset, Spati's ponies, and Java Orvanese oak furniture and Chris and Wayang Collections.

This is booming in London for some of several times. But in blackang it, there, there's one of one sort that's very key. From all, yeah, we all know book from Remy Limpak. Namania the brand of the campground of the campongs

and General Spur. General Spur, punia, campung, which is letuscan, or, to,

debacar, Bumi-hunguskan. So, the Benania, to Surabaya, Malac, did takluck by Albuquer.

Malac, at that time, six-lipat London. London had 50,000, Malac had 300,000 people. It's not a small place. and did taklucked, and

all pusaka did rampas and tangleam with Flood Del Mar when he'll come to goa. Sampi to Surabaya, when General Mansog, we've got a general, and for that we take able

d'em, with the fifth Indian division with fighter jets, with tanks, and street by street in Surabaya, didatulcan. So the subtext is written in blood. One Yeah.

One example, yeah. We're menacklucked Georgia. We're not going tomm America in Saratoga and Yorktown. As soon as Wallace did takulkan in Yorktown, he menerakan his sabel, yeah,

he had a padang to Washington and the undang for the endang for the time as soon yorktown yeah

because there some kind of kind of some kind of saling-man they're gentlemen yeah Georgia did

talk-cruck Georgia also also has a person Panglima Sumo in England yeah

a person from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from from

from from from from from from from from party that who are commucom in the Kudu-Slatan and

the Khamankana Kavana Korn Kovina Kuhu Kuhn, and Kempkevah. And Pang Lema, he did tackle-korn, English menacluck, yeah, in Blitzkrieg, two-jamb.

Muley, 5, and it's about 1,000, the time, in India, the Kepung, yeah, when Alon-O-Lon-Slatan

did taklucked by the people English in the bough Sukataris Kresiden

John Dean in Scotlandia they're mentioned that Sumerin Ingrat

Raib and he Raib to Sumedin Ingratan Antaritan Alon Slat and Krapiak

he has one Kedaman Bars with everything all did from

tech old teak pavilions and when they're going to Permanent Ingram Rattan, they don't be mention again, in the manner.

And, at the end up they're there in the church private. Mastrichte Pribadi,

the keepung and drel by Pasoan Gondogaran. The mankone two has one one benchy

personnel to Summa Dinkrad, and he made to be lion in the church. Secretariz came and amy samecham selfy

awal abat 19. He wants conan and he don'ttons he who mended

so many d'em soodd so much he mungus pedang cavalry that bad and very very very time

and he maumomomomom from from the same to make jade lian, should men jad, de jasad, the mesjid privadi, yeah? Dia, tizat success, the head was still on the body,

yeah? But basically, untuk membangakar-diri, and he laport to raffles to benteng Frederberg, where he bisonmenaklokan, and then he ordered his troops

to burn everything. Everything was burned, yeah? And layon from Sumadine, Ingrid, a bit like Sir John Moore at Karana, you know, they buried him softly at dead of night, the sods with their bernets turning, hania bismas de-macham-can between jam-12 and jam-12-malam,

de-jegeran. Bayang-can Cornwallis and Washington. They're... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's, yeah. had us two weights and two measures for the world.

One weight and one measure for orang-young-di-ung-pap-sas-ma. Another weight, totally different weight, for Yangdi-ung-bukhan-sas-ma. And this was the default setting, yeah, from beginning to end. When I was born in Burma, the first thing it was inculcated into me was that to be born an Englishman is to won the first prize in the lottery. of life, yeah? That's Cecil Rhodes, yeah. Jadi, there's a mindset, yeah, there's a mindset, and PR our kind of, to make orbit can budaia and the privatean our, but the world is not the Atlantic, it's not the Atlantic world. When Diponogor was

born in the Caputran in Georgia, in London, November 1785, 56% of the world, 56% of world GDP was in the hands of two countries. And they weren't Western countries. One was China and the other was India. Sabanania, orang English, pergi like beggars, yeah,

Kitatita, canal, cabrasian, Badans, sentiri, shampoo is an Indian word, yeah?

Yeah, Charo for Bissamengalola, yeah, James I first and sixth, never took a bath. He just covered his body with perfume.

So, yeah, if if you're being bandingan between the culture of barat and budaya Timur, it's very, very recently. You know, it's only in the past 200 years. 200 years ago, there was not a single

asset military America, Ankata Laut, in perair Iran, Indonesia. This is a lot of, this is often this is about abracies

200 years which is which is being dominions economy but many who've got that

until the 1800 economy the economy the economy is dominions by the

Chinese dislamat by India I mean English was going bankrupt in terms of the balance of

trade and the balance on the financial account. Oh, and we're also making what do you do across

to make sure to make sure about the account account or naraca per-dagangang with exportation opium.

That's that's the war opium in the abate the 19. But I'm back to

Radenmas Ontario, Iponoguro Lakhir, 1785, this, this many There's very

case not only in Jawa but in the world that's the world that's

the way I'm sure that's I'm concerned as far as where irupsy that's in Pambora

and Merap and Mrapi 1815 and 1822 to be the power think of people

and then it's in Ponoorogu in at a toppun that that did get done

the Jok Jok Javita there. Yeah. There papata from Shakespeare, Hamlet. Yeah, the times are out of joy

to a cursed spite that ever I was born to set them right, yeah? Oh, Kutukla, a zaman. Any Zaman

begitou pertankaran, yeah? Bawa say alahir to meluruscan them, yeah, um, Zaman.

There's an element of that with Diponogoro, yeah? Um, everywhere he looked, there was change. change. Yeah.

Siangeline we're different. in the time of the time when he was born, 20 years, 23 years of the time awal, from Deponegoro, like Tatananalama will be abadi.

And Tatananan Lama Batavia, Chakata, must be lendung not from assets VEOC, but Asset VOSC

that's Mungil people Sumanap and people Jawa and people bugis to

to be anchal and to chelinching to so that the English not be under this

or the French not can get rid of this. So, in the number

several years, several years, almost total. And human beings can't adjust to that.

My family my family in three generations d'usier from two countries from Irelandia who run to English,

Protestant descendant in three years, and Myanmar run to in six mingue to have the army on the Kayseran

Japan. And for to deponogoro a little like that and in the

above it alam men chamin can one realitas for the people we're

we're not live in one there many loca there

have that we have been there and somepamani there well

tambora too but it's mustacan and lulantakan asal usul

from Diponogoro has been the aburop Ageng because the

family from Bima and the Kuselan Bima same

exactly did with the land and tambura and

tambour Dachat it's like Toba Lake Toba this was

a strato volcano yeah yeah and the Lelning the

world many people Mlingy Dunya and it is

that Napoleon can be Waterloo, because in the we think

the month June we're many matahary, but the month Juney that's

full with the hujan, he can make aset cavalry in there.

It's all been um 18-15 18-15 18-15 18-Juny

and in the time he didn't be given to see Trichon hat it was

full of water when it It was captured by the British, yeah. This is the butterfly effect, yeah. So for Tambora, Tambora, yeah, resident the solo, Major Jeremiah Johnson,

think that that Java said, the cutok, the takluckan, a maudi, talk can only, anchatted loud, branches,

like, because dentuman in Tambura can dendarmu can be solos and jogger, and they think this is artillery, artillery loud, you know, that's so dangaer in the panayrean di Timor, so, so done jade.

So, yeah, this is a major event, major event for the world, yeah? It's a bit like Cracketau for Proust, all these wonderful sunsets which he saw in Paris, is due to Cracatow. With Marapi, it's more local, Yeah,

Lebe local. But DiPonogoro, yeah, he said this was an interesting night for him because he pergy to play chatur with his

his friend sohib that's the very Nayanayu and Kusumo who also also bergamar mystic

Islam and Tasawuf and it was the kitanan from his adik, Soria,

Bronto and he put down to room jam two malam, and bigito lehla,

he, he, he, he, debongued by letusan from Marapi, 27,

28, December, 1822, and he said, I looked up and I saw the blood-red skies, and I saw the

earth heaving, I felt the earth-heaving, this is, Kutukan Ilahi. You know, This was, this was, this is, any other la, dari, d'uha, there's Allah. And he wrote this in his babad, yeah?

And for him, this is a sort of, yeah, ada cholera, there was the kakringan, there were, yeah, pests like, yeah, lots and lots of things which were going wrong in Dan Dijermin, in the land, and it's a lot of the tundah, that there's a lot of tundah that there's a certain that,

yeah, not beres. And in the in, yeah, Ayamertua, Sayat, when Zaman Belanda, he pangil, when he was studying in the area

of Pasarika for design. He was a ship designer designing a fishing fleet for the Java Sea. And then di Pangelo Le Mandur Salasatu Hari, to member of Salasatu explication menenai

Ramalan Joyaboyo and Munchel di in Koran. He had news from the Dakh from Netherlands, India, for that time that he was called by his mandor. Dutchman, explain this to me. What is this? Ramal and Jaya Borea, what is this Ratu-A-Dil? Yeah?

What's Dipon-a-what's Bunkano on about when he's talking about these things? And for Diponogoro, it's not just in a Koran. It's something which is deeply felt. So, a swatoo-but-but-to-sung-tulang, Bissamara-sakkan it. And he's a bit of a tug-saya. Tugasaya, and he was a mystic. His default setting is a mystic.

He's an administrator. He's a Panglima. Sastra one, but he's basically a Javanese Sufi mystic, and he gets wangshed. He gets, he gets, um, he can, um, he can, um, he can't, um, he can't, um, he can't, um, he can't do nother up with Dunya Lulhury. Yeah, and he did, he did, he said, yeah, he's, uh, he said, he said, uh, he said, he tell when

he went during the world he men during

20 years like Mandela to um outback to

get to be to get and kill a year and he perg

go to the lake kido yeah uh uh uh...

uh... 70 kilometers yeah through area Imogiri, melancho, melancho,

glas, golo, so I'm glas where he can be meditati and there can

have a panapakam partam from Rattu and then Parang Kusum he did bring out

by one one of one of Sunang Kalijogu Mankei Manki Gangue Tenguarsomali

Wiewit Bubrain Tanajawa in the Jolla, in in, in three years, it's

going to rusack Tanajawa. And that precisely, the part in January, 1808,

when Dinels came. And at that he brought out that he never remember

oper pun from from from from from from from galar Putra Makota

Do not accept the Crown Prince's title This is a person This is a person from Lorocidu Not, the person from Kisogu

who who made one person There's and in his body He has been he has been

He's menulis Um sungue it will be a Dosa Bessar if I'm

this And so the Spanish Ingris Minkinchar Diponogoro because he is

Panasia or a little bit like Gibran for Jokov, he, he has been july, annazzi, anac young pinter, should be, delinquiscan in the labat that he was setlesecared before Phrang Jawa,

that he was a person berwibawa, wholopo, only had 28-tawn, or 27-town, 26-tawn. This was an age for young men. You had the younger pit, 22 Prime Minister of England.

You had Saint-Just, 26, member of the Committee of Public Safety. And DiPonogoro, he was a banasiat for his own idea. And when he was a penitimate one of the progengangean Rahasia, before they made actulcan Kraton,

with Diponogoro and Ayana. And Diponogoro, did bring a chastepadam, to be a subject as Boutramacota. He was nother. At the time that's not. Although Hamankebono

Kepat, it's only the same year. Yeah, yeah. But he is a manuessori and at Pono Goro she's

not my world. I'm not my... Mandat. The mandate more better than that. Yeah.

Aya repartan can Di Ponooro as just the Joggi-Craton Jokchukkah did taklokan and then di knight can

to take to the chogsha, that's why him and one of the three, that's tetap, tingal, di Dalam Kraton,

the area of the banksal and chonovato and I'm not. And Diponogora wrote in his Baba, you know,

this is, you know, it's not my space, it's not where I feel at home. I feel at home in Tagarecho. He brought, He built this beautiful meditation area

right under the shadow of Mount Marapi with a slumbang, penu, with ikan, and pinu, with whitwaringin. You know, he had, he lived with nature, you know, and harus ada pondok di midgey,

not a pondok di craton. That's not his, diana menulius in the babat, samarasa kikuk, in the situation this. It's not my default setting. My default setting is, you know, living partly in the natural world and as a mystic. So it was not for him, and he knew that.

And he also knew it because of the various Bissikan gaib. I mean, I mean, do you have panche, Endria, and am cut to juke togutland. So but he man could boomie, or, yeah, it would not be. 1825, what What is going to start the war

Javan? Sudda trang benderang in the world alam, there

sherminan that times are of join to cursed spite yeah,

there there's one Goro in the Goro in the

Goro in alam there banyat lapis ethnic tensions between bandato of people people

not people perinacan, not someone manging agam, sadoyo, but people who come longung from Canton or Fujian

or Kandong, they're undang to the Rola to come to make to the end-jong-tombach from one of

a pejacking fiscal baru, indirect taxes, that belimpa limpa. And it makes that the Dunia Desa in Jawa, the Jawa Tengaslatan,

menja di Tenghisattam, menja di Tenghisattu. You couldn't go to a market without going through a toll gate. You know, coming here from Tangarang Salatan, I have to pay I don't know how many tolls,

yeah? And it's the same in, with the added edge of ethnic tensions. Antas had the gagalan panen,

there letusan there's letusan from Marapi, the first cholera epidemic in 1821. And situation porac porandah if you don't

matter, Wong Chilik in the area Kuduilat and there's a lotus amara from Rakiat

menanai situation that can't be pertahen because there

reseran there have brought fiscal, there berat from land tax

that has to pay in the bank money, silver money, not pitches,

lead. Yeah, it's like the start of the French Revolution. Yeah, lots and lots

of, it's not just going hunting in Fontainebleau. Accumulation from accumulation. And the most basic, is, yeah, merasa

tenginaan, yeah, martabad, in Rasa, in abad 18, in the abad 17, in the abat 16 with Porto and Spaniel,

they tell menaw that they're only they're a glintil of people. If they're not unwassai the Basasal if they're under

their under they're doing they have done. But, but when abat

19, there are asset, industrial assets, they're now repeater rifles, early you know,

Congreif rockets, yeah, Gaver, you know, you have rifles, barrels of, you know, so you can drop canister shop

within at a thousand yards at a few yards distance. At a revolution, industry and politic, that men uba wajar from the dunia. And this men jade reality this in the Pula Jawa. And this yang they had api, the Pono Goro, you know,

simply there, there didn't have a revolution industry, there's French Revolution Munkin line sejara. Munkin, if they do Ullung

in the grand Jawa, we wouldn't be sitting here. There would be no question that basically Javanese

was a set budaya. Immediately you got the memory of the world for the Babati Bonagora.

Everybody would know that. But it was penhinan. Yeah, there's a penhinan and there

There I have merasa that in in all the line, Pakean, Bahasa, culinary, yeah, a way to make atold

the world, somewaecae and di-lecheekan. And the Java War can be summed up in three words. I want respect. If you gave me respect, no problems.

But you didn't give me respect. Dehina, Not in juluk as Kanjeng Gusti, but he'suluk as a person like gila, yeah,

um, uh, and people, yeah, um, and people who have been um,

perwakilan from the Belanda in Georgia very, not, not, not people who arewe-bawat,

not people like John Crawford who can be able to understand in the Upanheimer in,

in the Kittungal, a week or month can be relapsed Kromangil. What is. What do you give him

endurance to be able for five years? And, and this also, in context

how this is very impact negative to the position the landa

after that. Yeah. Yeah. He, he, he's, he's, he's,

like he is a pangarana that's the majoran because he administrative that's ullum his family

that's his own, he hasett in the region, and cellar regio and his own

land aloas all all due disembant for for war it was all or nothing

yeah it wasn't just stinger stinger and he who's people who not

be compromi and since the time there's there mankebami that's

many can't see the the large from his

he's and him Marisori Bokrati Bokratu Jagalalabai back back

can't because not there will be there Lackon Nang Lackon Leruii Gede

in Wachasatat if he didn't be assar not be from the puatran

to area pedesaan in tegul in the tigua in the tangle in the tigua was done

did rancang and he did do do for the ponugoro don't have

not have there was his second nature you know he was bow and bough with won

chilic with one chelik set up Pakean chompang champing go siara to Laud Kiddul,

meniamar, like Iiang Abdu-Rachim, yeah, he can be enliamar. So, when he did he

knew, you know, I mean, this is the greatness of that life, that this will be done.

He's going to go down to defeat, he's like the last samurai, but he's going to leave behind

a legacy. And that legacy is going to be one, Tida by compromising and Blanda, a legacy going to be one, which is, he writes this incredible 1,100 page Babad, not for himself, but for his children, so they could grow up as Javanese, in a Bugini's and Makasari's environment. And he leaves behind a Touladan, and that's recognized almost the minute he dies. He said, this Chris, Kanjeng Kiyahybondo Yodo, Twan who's mulia who can belai without sanjata.

Chris, this, this, not be able to begare anyone from chucucid and chichit and their own, they don't have a data batin that's quite to be able to be repartaned my manat my.

This has tocuburkan in the cubura in the kubura it's just, should have but when he was going

in Jau in Mekasar in one one of one that's a not to know

in the Kampum Malayu in there, a one some of

some Khasaran from the other two Belanda was that this

is a Touladan and resident of Baniamas Kirim Surat to Batavia Sunutskap

yeah we must translate the Baba Di Pono into Dutch and we must have this

as a fixed set reading in the Leiden Reich's instelling for inlaan and

engineers so they can have per menerty and mena how much otak from the people so the Dutch

recognized that immediately and the prebumi recognized it because when you have the bagaraka national you have Bung Tomo and you have Suwardi and you have Chiptomangu Kusomo

when they start the Indy aparthe in 1913 December 1912 who is the figure that they choose they choose Diponogoro when the PICAI want have pictures on the wall, they have the picture of Diponagoro. And when PSI want to have a

poster, they have Diponagoro pointing the way to the masjid, because basically he boxes, he ticks all the boxes. He's a Javanese nationalist. He's a, uh, orang imam yang Kuat, uh, orang Islam, and Juga, baumembao, and Wangchilik. So, you know, he, yeah, it's a sort of, um, conundrum of history. It's a paradox of. You lose, but ultimately you win. Yeah? It's a bit like Britain at the Dunkirk. Dunkirk is a defeat, 400,000 troops.

They come out without any assets. Leave all behind all their equipment. And yet it's celebrated as a great victory. I was thinking about the same thing. Were you? Yeah. 1830. If he even had been among

Indra to nine. Why? He wants to cook. And agg

naive to be to think that he is not he'll be able to

get tokeke yeah and it same with the words

that the resident Jogga Vattendorf to Deponogor Punea

Muda Gondokosum in 1877 Ename, Watendorf memberitov Mavreau Chara

that we can't Rue DiPonogoro not harum not something that's something

and Gondoguzum said Tuan can be so that but I am bough memmob

with Diponogoro when we we're when we're in person during Hurti Gero

I'm I'm in I'm in sure what what will be okay

but he not not really that it will be halal bilal because that is

a day that may have that may feel that maybe might be in

the line in the time yeah but in the

in the Islam if we we can kind of there's a one one

one of a lot of there's a pleaecyan or one

a matter if we are forced to like Samabi should

go from Mecca to Medina or yeah this is reality and

DiPonogoro in three six bulan he is disergap, in Gunung Gowong, in Kedu-Slatan.

He has to launch out from the kudas. He has been chubbered that's abysic where there, there's a bagel that just got

in Hetlu, Estana in Belanda, and all the asset he, juba and Bajuk, he melomped,

and melendonged the Baja and blanda kirim Pasuka Malachak Tidore to be

Malsacchak Diyah yeah and he has reib with two ponacowan

it's a bit like say Washington is defeated at Saratoga and Yorktown Diam

reib with two adjutan military across the Appalachians Cornwall sends him

a message and says come to New York to negotiate He comes to New York to negotiate and he is arrested and he's sent and he dies in Botany Bay, in a little island in a fort in Botany Bay. And the British control America for the next 112 years until the Kaiser sends the high seas fleet and the member Bascom, America. And that's why America speaks German and not English.

That's the reality, yeah. That's the reality. and that's reality of what you had to endure, yeah? For, yeah, the culture stelsso, the Dutch took 832 million guilders. That's about the equivalent of purchasing power parity of $11 trillion. Yeah, they paid their national debt. They created 40.

You want to hear the Indian version or what the Brits took? Yeah, well, it's much more. 45 trillion. 45 trillion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the time has come for that money to come back, a small country like the Netherlands.

You know they were very poor. You go to the Netherlands and you admire all these wonderful buildings in Delft, in Utrecht, in Leiden. The reason they have all these wonderful buildings is they were too poor to pull them all down, like the British did with Bradford and Leeds

and rebuilt in the early 19th century. They were completely decoras or les Pranchise. And the reason they were able to have the transition to an endowment, industrial economy, there transition to

a economy modern, very by Batik Slot from the Pula Jawa. They can

pay her hutank Naga, can make some one of a embassar from

the garrings car and canal, and can't make kit fortifications in disoaten sootan

so perenghis besea masuklagi. So this is reality. It's one of the reasons for it's so rich. I mean, when Prince Henrik de Sévarra, the only member of the royal family, the Oranian Nassau, young menjidjakaki di New Santara, walked to Dia Meningal.

He had a huge portfolio of Banka, Biliton, Matscape, shares, and he had no children. So all this went to the royal family. Willamina was a billionaire by the time she was in her 20s. This is a great way a bit. That I just, I read the book, Baca Bucingha, The Age of Revolutions.

Which is a bit moreque, what is simpulcan in the book that, is three revolutions that are related to what is the United, English, and America. without sentuhan about

to India and Hong Kong. And what did happen on the other in context what's

what's revolutions the revolution the governance the Belanda

that's the central bank of Amsterdam Right government for whatever

administration of government per bankan chasa keuangang and things if you

English is of course revolution industry and if America,

whatever we we'll see the market the 20 and 21 this. But,

but it's little too, not make referensy to what what you

do you dogg and India. And I asked, whileupon in 1,000, it's

portion of economy of the India, it's more 50% than. But the

alasance it, or argument of it is, yeah, as far economy, they're heabat. But they're not making innovation

India and Thailand. Now, that I'm pretty spandang. That's stupid. That's very, yeah. Salas one of hero

I was Samuel Bentham. He is a secretarice for the U.S. and he can make one revolution in the design from the country on gout

with mbuckheads. Yeah. Where did he get the idea of bulkheads from. He got it because he was in Russian Siberia and he studied the design of shipwrights, which had built in the idea of bulkheads so that you don't have a Titanic situation in which you have, you know, one belkhead being breached and the whole ship going down. They also, by the time that Cheng Ho is coming here

Oh yeah 37,000 people boarded his ship in Su Chau yeah Zuzu now yeah Salasatu Aset Nagarad

Alah Yeah Gustur when he came to Oxford told me you know he's the descendant of one of the classy

of Chengho who jumped ship in Surabaya yeah Surabaga and he came he came with these floating

You know he was a Unok, right? Yeah, that's right. Well, he was a... Hui, Islam. Yeah. Betul. Islam and Unok, though. Yeah.

So, yeah, theory that he's only... It's a bit of funn't even though. Maybe he's... No, no. But what Gusto told me was that one of his class he jumped ship in Surabaya... Okay. Fair. And it was a margatan.

Fair. And he was a... Salas one le Lelhood from Gusto. Salah. And the interesting thing about that, was that they never had to worry about scurvy. Because these ships were floating vegetable gardens. Every lunch, every dinner, every breakfast,

they had fresh vegetables. They didn't suffer from scurvy. And when they came, they had 27,000 people. It was a, they did seven great voyages, some of which went to East Africa. And it was partly for tribute. But you never hear about violence. But when Albuquerque is here,

when Louisa or when you're in Magellan, when you have Lagaspi, it's all written in blood. There's a book that, you know, Nathaniel's not back. It's quite telling about what what's what we're doing about people from Europe, to be the men, teman people we're doing Asia and in Asia,

and in Asia, Tengar. Yeah. Back we're to Diponogoro. 1830, to go to tuck, it's decook, then he'd put it,

they're put in a couple, give to Menado, then, to the end of Pandang, or Makasar. Babat that, it's, it's not,

when? Yeah, actually, the rewaiat from Diponogoro is a because this is one

one of mackluc that's a life, yeah? At every stage in his life, he didn't morong, he didn't say, well, I've lost an empire and haven't found a role. He could reinvent himself, yeah?

And in the sphere of pengassingan, what he's there's been, about he, in the nine bulan, between the

May 1831 and the February 1832, he made 1030 folio from Babba

Di Ponegore. Bucan more ney one history exercise, but in order for his

children to have reading material in exile. And when he came to Macassar,

he became a Guru Tasawoof. We know this. because he left behind his Lacu Spiritual, his notes, lacu-spiritual, his Macassah notebooks, and he was giving out Ijasa to his pupils in Benteng Rotterdam to confirm their spiritual attainment, their mystical attainment.

So here is someone who is living, he's not Murung, you know, until he lives to 70, which is an old age for someone living in the 19th century. He has lots and lots of different lifetimes. He lives. He lives. He's a young man in the court. He's brought up. He has 10 years under Rato Agung and he has this lifestyle. He's the panaceat of his father. He has to Turunka Medan prang. And then in exile, there hidra from physique

to spiritual and he dies and he leaves behind this corpus of material which shows

that he is a guru tasau in Makasar he's continuing to teach

until the end of his days as a pangananut Tarak Chatharia and Bagasaya he's not

perfect yeah I mean he gets di pichut by one some one

Pogram anti-Tyeonghu he has one a one of agamaran

on women and and I'm but he's honest he says

he doesn't make labella figure but but I'm an

and drink but but but but for about

not nonogor because yeah it's not a sort of social um

he he's Sheikh Yusuf. Yesh. He said Sheikh Yusuf, from Chukukk, from Sheikh Yusuf, this is

aobabre. He said to Knoelah, his very... Yeah, mena, yeah, men, men, man,

India. If, had, if there, menoman that's luar-biasa, that when

I, residenan, hisri, the residence, and, for me and chari, for meongot, I can't

remember, because this will be like in the country in the Rlandia, we're in a doctor

to drink ginous, because there's many of besie, yeah, in the down, supamia

we're got low, agate, so for him, it was an obat. It wasn't, he wasn't a

drunkard. Yeah. He wasn't like Radaan Maaside that's Gameran Yane Yenever, but it was,

yeah, and he wasn't a killjoy. He rolled his own cigarettes. He liked playing chess. He, you know, he liked looking at picture books of the Crusades and he liked looking at texts of Buddhist texts. So, you know, he's Tidab, but Kotak Kotak, he's someone who, yeah, it's like this glass. There's water in this glass, but the water takes the exact shape of the glass. He's able to fit himself in wherever he is. Peter, you are you

are very kind of about, what, yeah, illum and information and information

and people that, for me, to be, what, yeah, be bunk in some sort of

film. I think this is this share. Right, and I, and I'm think that

for a time this time this time this this is to be manifestation

in some film that can be a reason to behan ajaran. For, not not

not people not even people, but people anywhere. Because this the talko that,

if I'm sure, with many many times panutan dunia. Yeah, I just

received from History Today, this one journal that's a journal that umum in London,

one of one person to make one one article of particular about particular.

I'm I'm say, say, can't you know, that's the end of the people are people

this not too too much to becha book and not too learn to and I'm

and I'm always be pedantapet that and I'm important so much to we can

make up the next mass this time. This is this phenomenon that I say said

amnesia historic. Yeah. And this maybe be correlates with how we've made the

use of our people to make using social media or media social that's

only being people that's about to be connected kikinian but not to

kind of this kind of bigacan what? Yeah. What? Kira

Obat this Krik Krik Kod Keptan. I'll give you a little bit I'll show you this

this this is a book of a little pocket book yeah and it's about this is about this is about this is about

cartini we don't know about Rukmini but in fact she was an artist she was the person who Memankitkan

Kibali Uki Ranjapara yeah and he'd give him Uki Ranjipara which I've been we

because yeah, berkechimbrung in the world so that he punia mobile, diapunea

industry, mobile, di solo, yeah? So if you make a little book like this, somebody can take it in

the, they can take it on the commuter line or they can put in their pocket, but he can also be part of a fashion line, yeah?

So, Lukmini, men inspirasi with Melissa Sunjaya, with Tuli-san, Salasatu, fashion line. Yeah,

diapunea fashion line men and I Diponogoro 1830, yeah? Diapunea fashion line and baru-sha Pram-Pram-Pra-M-Ber-Kasa. And Rukmini,

we don't know about Rukmini, but she's in fact a very interesting person. She's someone who men dobrak, Adat, isti-adat. She decided not to accept an arranged marriage.

She negotiated her own marriage with the Widono of Mayong. And when did her husband died at 46 of diabetes, she did menjadhii on the vicerese, the hya yes, the Dikudus, and she studied frivolal educational techniques and Montessori techniques. So she actually men-kechimper,

in the world education. She was the person who melangang buanna Jepada Woodcut. She was a person who can make sure how we can use

education and culture to win respect and to actually win back our independence. And when Wachto, in 1935, he bergabung

with his Adik in Samarang, Sumatri. Sumatri Roe to Abandonon's wife, yeah, Abandon had died in 1925. It's amazing the distance we've traveled. In these past 35 years, we now have women doctors, we have women lawyers, we have,

we don't question that women have to get the same education as men. But 30 years ago, when we were growing up in Jepara, we had to fight for this. She wanted to go. This is a picture of Rukmini, at the doors of the academy in the Hague, the painting academy. She wanted to go to the Hague to study art. And she wasn't allowed to do that because of Pinkitán, daughter of Bhupati.

Cartini also wasn't allowed. I mean, these are brilliant people. Cartini talked about everything. You know, she's like Ibu Tutti Herati of Jepara. and she's someone who, yeah, men Dobrak, sumwa batas, batas, d'auts, and she wrote it all in fluent Dutch, yeah? And when the Dutch came, they were invited by her father to have lunch,

Karimongjawa, they were surveying the Karimajawa islands, she addressed them in Dutch, and they refused to speak in Dutch back to her, because Dutch was too beautiful a language to be spoken by a brown mouth. That's what she said. And these are people we need to honor. History is not a luxury. It's a DNA bansa. This is what makes you. Yeah. Leluhur or Arasare, yeah. They're not sleeping. They're alive. They're well. They're kicking. They're watching. And we have to honor that. And it's just because the new order abolished the study of literature in 1972,

torpedoed Pramudia Anando Tours Nobel Prize for Literature, doesn't mean that we should always tell the blengo, you know. Literature is part of our culture, yeah. Here, you've talked about Napoleon, you've talked about Cornwallis, you know Saratoga in Yorktown. I mean, America is not a close book for you. It's part of your, you know, as Ajan Cha said, you know, if you have an enlightened Westerner, they've got many more rooms in their mind, yeah?

This is interesting, maybe this is the question the last, because we're not a batas of time. But, seringly, if I say gawbrol, or we talk about around Indonesia, Yeah, anguplas we're not asamaju the other

other than other that's the same that's that's that's that was

that was that was d'uja now how much we're not to get to

with the policy like we can't be able and be more and be

more more and you can't make saying that's nulluri

you and hunch you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. that there's alasance to Indonesia to not

can't. We're able to get a lot of right to. Yeah, right. Now, illustraising,

de, haunch of your do you know, and then to be more buddaya, more than

projectsick our power our, to all the world, and we can't be a but it,

but it, but it's grand really. Yeah. I think there, uh,

uh, uh, uh, practice and also Ujongtombak that's more de-tacan leby

Dasar, yeah Ujjongtombat practice just Pat Gita said to say we're going to found a Southeast Asian

Center in Stanford. Yeah? Sabanania at a bad as they were the Dutch left a warisan.

They created the commissie for the Vogue's lecture, yeah? The commission for people's reading, yeah? Jadi, book a quichiel

like Rukmini, or Baba Di Pono Goro, Munkin exor to the Baba Di Pornagoro, or Yossi di Poros Babagianti, or the Sorachantini. They published these things so that people had reading material. Yeah. It doesn't grow on trees.

You have to have a, you have to have a policy, a cultural policy. When Vadiman, I'm going to meet, Vadiman, with Jripaya, Selama empatown,

Kita, yeah, trus menorus, men dobrat Pinto from UNESCO, when Baba DiPonogoro becomes a memory of the world, this is an asset for you. You have to make a film

Laela-a-Labas like Eisenstein Battlethip Potiemkin or, you know, Tagukaryas, November, Blapam, Blastuad Lapan, this is an opportunity for you to actually orbit.

Diponogoro should be no He's been recognized by UNESCO. He's part of one of 299 manuscripts from all over the world, which have been recognized, as has Ila Gallego. Why does Ila Gallego, which is a creation myth of the Bugis,

why does that have to be brought to the stage by an American director, Robert Wilson? Why don't you do it yourself, yeah? You have to have, you have to put out hard money, yeah, into this, and you have to be Jali. You have to be like this. Singaporeans. Where do we want to be in 50 years time? Where do we want to be in 100 years?

100 years from independence, what sort of country do you want to be? Yeah. And Jiangan Mindavardik, Dissini, I mean, I've met people who know what I'm thinking, yeah. I met people who have a Hattin Lalori, Yang Bisa. Yeah, they can train people to descend into the Medan Prang of Surabaya and know where danger is coming from, yeah? They've got an internal radar, yeah? People here, you've got to, just because this is not off the Haudian right field, it's off the left field, you have to, membankit can asset, asset. And Dunia, Bukhan, it's not a tabular razor. It's not just the United States. It's not just Western Europe.

There are lots and lots of different types of cultural asset. There are lots and lots of different types of Calibian. Yeah. And we've got to create a condition for the world in which there is cultural biodiversity as well as, and this, and there has to be respect, and you have to earn that respect. You can't just say, here we are, Indonesia, come and find us out. You actually have to make this available every week on a Tuesday, flying from Bangkok are special condiments for all the Thai restaurants in London, yeah? They know this is an asset for them. This is a culture. It's part of soft power. Thailand's soft power. You have to strategize this. It's not something, somebody like myself doesn't grow on trees.

You have to actually have support Indonesianis. You have to cultivate people. And you have to, it's a bit like when I was in East Timor, I became a friend of the Japanese ambassador. And he roomed with Bob Zulik, who is the Commerce Secretary, and he can phone him up. If there's a problem for Japan in terms of terms of trade, you know, you need to have Jaringan, which are international Jaringan.

In the earlier period, Rukmini had a Jaringan, she was a friend of Teovandteventa and a friend of all the top people of the ethiki. The Abandonons adopted her. Absolutely. Dangan Mindavadik. You have to. Ananehya didakala. Dengan Siapapapun, yeah? Sangha Jali, yeah.

I think of Akhm Mokhtar. Akhma Mokta was 28 when he defended his thesis in Amsterdam and he'd mbongka rahasa, dari leptospirosis, yellow fever. 28, if he hadn't been bulldozed by the Kempetai, you would have got a second Nobel Prize. Here in Batavia, you opened the whole cornucopia of vitamins in diet because you discovered vitamin B1.

Admittedly, that was a Dutchman, Eichmann, but he had a whole team who were pre-Bumi. You need to actually malang-lang buwana, you need to actually advertise these assets. Sankot Marzuki, you brought him back from Australia to head up the Eichmann Institute. If it hadn't been for Habibi, you wouldn't have an Eichmann Institute. 1993, he revived it.

These are assets, Asset Nagara. And don't look. I'm still, I'm still much Peter. Yeah. But I can ask one

again. Yeah. This Indonesia if I think we're not pendongeng. Ceritania but we

have more better be able to get to all the world. Yeah. And, and to get to

it. So, like, President our, Gibran, dinamakaan from

Kalil Gibran, yeah? And Kali-Gibran said, after eating and drinking, the most important salasatu necessity is the hearing of stories.

So, Suda makandan dan minum, kebutuanyam paling pook manusia, dala dena charita. Yeah? And jenga charita, we have to hear it from our mothers. We have to have it actually online. We have to have it in videos. We have to have it in Laela-le-Bar. We have to have it on Netflix.

Yeah, why isn't Diponogora on Netflix? Why isn't there a six-part series on Beponagena? It will be. Yeah. That's a promise. Yeah. Fascinating. We get Tagu Kariya, we get Slamat Rajya, me get Eras Jarot.

You know, you've got assets here. You've got young directors. Maybe they're making like Joko Anwar horror films, but they, you know, you've got great talent. And that talent has to be supported. And Jiangan, not the cringe mentality, that just because you're not a graduate of Harvard or Oxford, You don't mean anything. Thank you, thank you, Peter. Okay.

Sorry, it's my rant. Teman, that's Peter Kerry, sejarawan and Indonesianist. Thank you. This is end game.