Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Pintu Gerbang Riset Bangsa - Sastia Putri | Endgame #165

Episode Date: December 6, 2023

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We have to perform as if we don't have any family at home. But, on the other side of social, we're not to be able to work our kids because we're not putting up on. So, in the two dunia, we're not at all. And sometimes I'm very much, I need to clone myself, so that I could be present in both worlds.

So, so I'm not sure, yeah, I'm going to be submitted on time. performance, like that's like if I'm not as well, and I have to be able to be more than I have to be much better to just be considered equal. That's what I felt at least. Hello,

I'm here. Hello, time today we're at least Sastya Prama Putri, a person at the University of Osaka, in Bidangu-Technology. Astia, thank you very much at the radarance. Thank you, Patira for having me.

It's truly an honor. Tell you. Perjalan your life, from from, from, and it's been aheal Metabolomics. It's a long story.

But long story short. I'm a lot of year. I'm from three two brothersodara. Awalny, yeah, that's, you know, and then, really, really intie.

And, you know, Tumboos'a in the Dada, Jakarta-Silatilat, from S-D, S-D-Islam, S-M-A-S-P-P-C-Katolic, then, at least, to ITB. S-T-B? At M-T-M-P? In-B-B, S-M-P, at Pondil-Uhour, in Hachinawi,

then-S-A, in-BU-N-B, then-B, then to be A-P-T-N, DAPE, D'B, that's. Who, who is what do you? that's about you're about to take science to make up to beaulogy. So, really

it's very much that's the part of Bapa, the right, so, you're from little bitak can, you know, metak can't,

before I'm madden it to it's indeed. From, I'm sorry with something, I'm being, I'm asking, Sering, and,

I'm going to mouasked the thing in the time it, to, but, So it's a-a-a-g, sometimes, like, when I'm like, yeah. At least, there was Elimic Bill,

you know, the thing of a lot of, women. And, actually, the picture of being corporate lawyer, want to be able to doormeat. And, when, I'm going to get a job career to the

to the same way, to the corporate law. Then, BAPA, who came back, sit me down, I mean, I'm going to be able to BAPA, BAPA, Batapegology is going to be the next big thing. It's going to be the answer for everything.

Wow. So, this, someone's not that peduli, too, biology, too, biology. Profi-i-a-ya-ha-ha. When I was an engineer. So, weirass-wasta, yeah. So, but he'll look at, beliolnsicke, and he'll look, he's still to bea-catechology, that will make sure that will make sure in all kinds of permasalance and issue global.

the people, the biotechnology, and not many people who, um, anticipate it's at that, so it's not been a jurusant that's too popular at. At least, it was very gingsy if we could be able to IT. So, at it,

the world data science, IT. So, everyone were lomba, longa, to get, position, like, in technology informatica.

Bapa, said, apply biology. Then I said, I just I've been people, but I'm going to meet people, I'm working, I like to meet with a lot, networking.

You can do that as a scientist, kattainee, kata what's kind, you can't be a scientist in Indonesia just, can be a science diplomat, so you can be a science diplomat, so you can be a lot of science. So, I'm not really

psalam, what, what's the matter, what's the person that's in the area in Jakarta-sulat-saltan, that's like, likeing, I'm like, I'm going to, I'm like, far away from what I'm imping,

and I'm gonna'n't, why, B'bapah, and I'm gonna'amble, with gurue, guru, but, can, I'm, and, the, nil-nallay, also, the good, the IPA, so, and why you want to social science, that's, and, back, it's,

then, and then, we'll get to the land-tenham, okay, can apply, the abuation international, but the pilihan three, Because in IPA, the Ipilion 1stapy, I'll picketka, the other than biologi-i-liant-li-a-u-i-li-li-li-li-li-li-li-a-li-li-li-li-li-hru-in-a-li-li-law-a-law-old-a-old-old.

Wait a bit more than-a-lider. I mean, I'm not too much, really, to give wisdom, but Ibu, too, even, because because of the U. because of the U. because of the U. education for the people,

higher education is a privilege. For so little people. So, you know, in a situation where you can get privilege to go all the way up. You know, you have to be more than Ibu. Ibu simple just, message. But he said,

that's the book-puncuncant, that's the open-pacus, going to be able to be able, and that's what I'm going to from, so, it's important, yeah, I'm as a guidance, yeah. But, I'm very supportive, Bapacke, that's many,

corridor, corridor, to, we have always this long talks. Even gawed with Pagena, this long talk. Eveningert-in-a-court-a-old to talk about him, I feel old. Not, not because, not because of the essencei,

about our own, about we're going to be able to how we need to make sure this, this And so, about that's right? Then, then how much,

sorry, the puttussing to get used, it's still-ta-trimed or not did-erimed in some of the room? Discursus'ing, how that's,

so, can, get UMPTN, and then, then, I've got, I'll apply to the parhianan, to UMPAR,

to get-bueun-N-N-N-N-Tor-N-A-T-N-T-N. Dapat-T-M-Lam-D. But, I'm not too, T. So, it's a bittersweet feeling, yeah. Because I don't know if I belong there. I don't know if I'm going to like what I will study there, like, like,

like, something that's the sameajah, man, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm going to be able to beaumphant-kut. Because I, I, I was thinking, to be frank, in society we're that's not great-hmm and that's right-now. And,

I'm who I am right now, I'm who I'm right now, I'm thinking about, and science is very good, and science is great. And that's what we need, and that's just that, to make sure,

to make sure, the profession the same. That's true. Like that. So, so. So, so. So, after d'id-al-dekuny, come back my old-fashioned, my real passion,

I'm actually, we're able to belajure in book things that's up to level genetic, to level cell, regulations, all the stuff that's very aptly, very much to make sure to make sure to make sure that it is in the universe, back again to level cell,

to level of the level of the level, Atom, we can't know that's a highly regulated and someone some greater power regulates it. And it's actually made, I'm more I learn, the more I realize that everything has its order.

So, at least, it's my mind-a-you-meanat I'm, if, yeah, all the thing that, if we're plajari, we takeuni, there regulation, there's system yeah. So we're like we'll learn be everything has its own regulation, course

and order. But okay, if you're all right, regulator to redact, why not get to physical? Uh, when that's got, you know, it's justoing the way

yeah. But it's... But, but... But, but... But, you know, I'm... Gals, class, class physical. But I, I'm...

But I'm more to beaithing beings. Because living beings is highly dynamic. Not to think that physics is not a dynamic principle. But biological system is highly dynamic and decad with us. So, from little, I'm more repopar about the world, about mhmusuf, about manusia, so, so, at the end up, the end up, that's much of myatting, living being, living system.

And, I mean to be more thaneric, like, to be plajary for me, for me. So, smooth sailing at the ITB? Or, there's episodes of certain to, maybe make you're gonna gonzag or what? Yeah, so, bettulness, I mean, P, P, SEMA, and, trang, this, malo, P, Gita, sempt to be model.

So, yeah, yeah, I'mput, like, So, while, to the time to do-pug, pull-pug, marcia-cust, including,

what, but, you know, people, people, I'm, mal-s-meles-k, that's-al-sall-an.

But, this, this, not, you know, that's-a-k., that's-b, that's-b, that's,

before, all-aw-al, yeah. Naman-nation, it, still-mud-old, yeah, but,

and, and, it's, It's just soot, we got to shock really from rector to room. Wow. If I'm up to 2, got surat surat pre-gatan.

And it's, it's been, I'm going to, I'm going to be able to be able to, it's, it's, and then, then, after Bapa, I've been pangil,

then I think he'd again, what is it that you want in life? Do I raise you to waste your potential, Do I raise you to intentionally sabotage your life? But this is exactly what you're doing, you're saying, you know, you're going to make,

and Bapa know you're fully capable of surviving in ITB, you're well capable, but you're not doing your best. And then, Bapa, I got kerosy at that, you know that I don't raise quitters, that's, that I don't raise quitters, that. That's, that was... But, in a way, I think that was the greatest advice in my life, yeah.

So when things get tough, I think I'll ask whizers. I'm not going to quit. Soaping I'm not going to quit. If I've done to do that the bestowalue, after that's not as well as we're going to be able to what we're to beacquassah. But,

but we're we're about about with the same with our potential or even while, just as well, the result also maybe not as well. And,

I'm back to ITB and the next semester is almost four IP I'm sorry, I'mu'll bea lus. So, this I want to beautein to Bapa

if, yeah, I'll not can't meniagnaking this and I'll do my best. And I'll do my best. And I'll do my best Is it's actually the answer to all of the questions I've been having

since I was a little girl? This is here, there's a job of what I'm going to gethue. And, this is the same, in biologi. And, this is the same, I can't get back-jolabond, from the questions, and in there, I think I was born to be a scientist.

I was born to make discoveries. Wow. So, yeah, this is, actually, from ITB. And then-at-it-G, how? Kutusan to doxen in a Fadamist, or want to work

or how much, smooth-sailing, too? ...termast, I can't be able to be lus because, before lullus, there'sawaran.

So, in one batch, there, there's three people who can lullus dulae. I made my defense earlier than everybody else.

And, And in there's it's it's a opportunity to Japan by UNESCO only one time program diplomat non-degree. So I think, it's not long-term commitment, you can dip myself, dip my feet first in the water, test the water,

if you know, if you're not, you know, if you're not, long-term commitment. But, turnerata, after after he, that, al-hmm, d'uilat, d'a, d'i-sissuania one-one per die-of-the-jepang. then I'm up,

I'm still I'm in the time, in the world, so on the biotech. So, what is we can't do in the world biotechology, in Japan, it's situation and condition is more conducive to make an experiment ketersediaan alat, funding, environment, that,

how we're interacting in lab. And, there's more, making more like, making, making, like, making for meyakening And I'm okay, okay, I'm like, okay, I'm going to be scientist, but I want to be a scientist in situation and condition like this.

Why, Osaka? Osaka, to beutuling, the first destination when it was, so, but I'm, like, like, galley just, like,

all over- like, whatever opportunity that's, I'm, I'm, I'm, to get-in, if, if, d'-lap,

you, and, next opportunity comes, so, so, so, Too much more than, to what I'm going to do you do up to do 20 years. Baruolus, wow,

Dapest Biasisca, okay, a-you-you-you-got-you-you-cuit. So, like, grabbing the goodest golden ticket, do the best that I can. Maybe this opportunity doesn't come twice. And I try to ambil,

I'll do back the back-bye-bye-bye-n't-lop-sci-barm. I think, that's just, I think, that's, I'm going to be able to be. There's not as a lot of the time. I'm not to be comparasicant, Dibanding can with prospect

in the place other, or what, that I was. I was thinking to get full scholarship, S2, S3, in Osaka University, it's a, it's a something opportunity that's an awesome, and it's

been given tovary by host supervisor So I have to take, even though, whileopun, although I have to take. Because after pullang from course it, I've, I've been work several months, like, in university swastat. And this is, so, they also want to keep me, mean jenjank career, if you're going to be, if you'll go back again.

But I'm thinking that I want to try to go out of the world, I'm trying to beaure something to be true, not even though just learn to learn something in the permukaan but I'm want to get

a problem that's kind of topic and it can be with studia MPS3 I think I don't want to be a generalist I want to be a specialist I want to be

good I don't need to be good at everything Jack all our traits but I just want to be good at one thing, and I think. And I think I'm put up to 23 years, I'm trying to try

to beautecology, that's, wow. Then, get PhD-in-un-un- Umur? Umur 27, because I'm,

I'm, I'm sorry, S-3-N-a-tahun-tahun. Wow. So, so, it, so, so, more than,

from, from, I'm, I'm sure, I'm, then, then, then, how,

what? What? What? What? What? What? That, that,

that, when, when it was a lot of the time. So, when it washington, I'm going to be quick-cept salsa-upid, waltit-up, and be thinking that as a academici,

not that's-gut-gut-kut-i-tom-tut-a, but time is money, so. So, two-tahun we out from the bidang-academic, we're-gene-publication productivit-papers, little-kittal-tut-report,

so, repot. So, timing-the-pal-pugus, I'm like S3. a discertaicant as soon as soon as soon as soon as soon as I'm going to give up the same thing. Nanty ideally when I'm going to beaacques,

S2, S2 and I'm I'm I'm going to do. and that was the I was the time. Mokin'n't even. Mulsane asceapat mcuit. And, and, kata,

professor, if I was, if you've, you've still lulloos, you can't bea b-a-situas-tankan-an-al-a-a-a-lash-a-a-a-a-lac-a-a-a-a-a-uuas, while while while until after we'llos but surprise, when I'm going to befonskoo 10 days before I'm last half-buck

boughamil when I'm sure, this is first time there's one-and-a-half-tawn at Osaka University in program we're, why he didn't s'agia mullusen a-a-lure lullusin just

he's now, can't have mending shirat? But professor's who, when I was going to be able to condition, he'llarer a lothirt, it's always because if you're luswhipa putus. Biasiswaputus, status

visa putus. And I just give them two-bun-law, if the scenario that's perjade. Wow, that's panic, yeah? Because it's just as far as planning that's been rancan since I while,

I'm going to bea-panioling about I'm just, I'm back back to Indonesia, in a little bit of what's, but I'm going to have a lot of what I'm going. Afterna, I'm going to, I'm going to be able to be able to,

I'm sorry, I'm going to be able to beaucousy to try to negotiate to professor that line. Afterna, in a time very deep, we have to get in-rencana. I said,

can't just be undue to losean my until minimal December? So, So I'm just to be care. I can't take care. I can't take in Japan. So I can stay in Japan.

Then I stay, same. Go to put the place sensei, who, he's already three years so, lab's very time, lab's very much more, he's very much so much, he's like

smasemaget smangat, he's got funding. I'll just give it to you straight. I need a job. I need to stay. in Japan. And I know, this is out of nowhere, yeah, permitting. Because he also even though he's just a lot of interaction.

He said, but he said, I'm looking you know, gritty-n't-n't-n't-nigh-ting-kind. Patting-and-murh, get-to-you-cult, put-a-cure-out, in the kind of hamil-gdegde, like, out-bias-old. He said, I need to do what I need to survive. So can you give me a job that I can't evenimal visa in Japan.

and he's got to do something in me I think he saw a potential and he gave me, out of nowhere, I was, I was, I think, this, like a pity job, yeah,

when it was, I was thinking like that, but, but, the thing, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, not, time, not, before, more, more, more, ,

the, business was, I'm like I'm putus. But I'm a part-time job. I'm noticum-bun I'm going to make sure. So I'm going to bekerja as a peneliti parwakto, that's one time. In lab, named Professor Fukusaki, who's until now,

must be mentor professor's now this. It's a very good deed that he did to me is game-changing. That's something that I will forever be indebted to him. And I will spend the remaining time working for him doing my best to make up to be the best it's not a pity job that I deserve to be there.

And that's the last thing has changed in the lab with all the stoutasance still have been able and what's just one time yeah, we're not at the time, so we're still getting wiseries perjamb. So, we just have break that one time.

I'm larry, that's uped, back back again, again, while while while running, it's done in a while one time. But he'll look

how I'm trying as well as much. And when it's just about 10 to time 5, but he will hear that there effort there, there

there productivity there. So I know, not even if you're not, if you know, if I'm going to come up, but I can't help, you know, people who are

doing the language if they want submit paper. It's, kind, he, he's, there's sasti, yeah,

he can be a person who's person who bantue. And then, there's, there, there's, there's, there's there's,

if, if I'm, I'm, to use review about paper paper Sainsay I can't use. He's enousiatiff, and, actually

and after review is one highly cited paper yeah, he's also. So, he's a lot of, oh, this, the person is, he's probably, and the year he'd knowarin,

do you want to work with me full-time? Three more years, you're still so small, you're still so small, because, not-patharrault, because this because of the work this is to travel because of America

because of the project is collaboration Japan and America when it's partner that in Japan is a person who really really high caliber scientist

he even got back he got back the champion of change award from White House there was professor James Liao I'm thinking

addu so at this when I'm this is Osaka this for me I'm at least, but I'm going to be more big, but I'm going to more than people who have been

caliber, same. In a way, it's going to be very good. Because breaking one ceiling, you'll find a higher ceiling to break. So, at the end uphirt. So, at the end upherly, I'm not really, I'm not sure. I'm think this a casepotan that's good to challenge myself more in higher ceiling,

in a bigger, more global level. Yeah, well, I took that job. With all the consequensically Myakou Because of the Because of the world It's not too permissive Tohap,

Professor's who, yeah But the whole surrounding, not. There's a woman. Terhapuan. It's like we have to perform as if we don't have any family at home

But in the other, we're not puttut to make sure our because we're not have to worker. So in the two we're in the two

total. And kind of I'm very much I need to clone myself so that I could be present in both worlds. But that's what I must have to keep my job

there, because I can't make up a lot of, oh, I'm not can't because I can't, so, not can't be, so that's not even. So, yeah, I'm going to be submitted

on time. Performance, has to be same performance, I can't, if I'm not there's beban, and I have to perform, not only the same with the guy, I have to be much better to just be considered equal. That's what I felt, at least.

We're not actually competing in the same ball. bow park, I have I have more good, to be able to be able to be able to beacept a lot of, you know, that's the ecosystem that's, you know,

to be able to survive in context that not gampang. Swami, the world, or maybe ecosystem that the world,

or what made it possible for you did it possible for you? Somemany. Selan grit you, and you're same. Semmually.

Everything around me was my support system. Many of a village, yeah, in my case, it's so true in every literal sense. From there, there's not so much berkorned to be there. Many of the same, he's also, actually, menorbaned her. When he's work in a workeroyant to support me. I'maerous. I'm nother.

I'm pretty much every month to gashucus. sometimes kind of business trip I'm not even though, before she's like Aisha until he's over 6 years he'll comeanapun, because I'm thinking Aisha to look at this is what I'm doing

I'm not leaving her behind to pursue my dream, I'm bringing her with me I'm, I'm bringing her with me. I think he's front seat viewer as to what she's going to be capable of doing.

By setting her an example right in front of her. Doing this together. So he's a part of that mission that I'm not pursuing my dream by myself and leave her behind From there, from her, behind. I'm from being able to be a lot of

and very supportive about what I'm upayakan, what I'm uprored about now? She's been, I'm sure, I'm 13 years. Mashaw-M-P? SMP. Want to be biologous, you know?

Yeah, he has puttertarkin into being scientists, yeah, and, yeah, has been a lot of interest, but but they're, but now, I'm sure, he's going to be able to be able to. Cumae, what, name, pursue higher education, that's the idea.

Yeah. Tell me about metabolomics. What is it, and what is the benefit for humanity? So, so, if we're, if we're, if we're, we're seeing omics,

omics, omics, is comprehensive analysis or comprehensive profiling of a biological entity. If we're gnomics, we're also we're notary comprehensive, all gen that's a lot of

sample. Now, metabolite is the result of expression gen. Where, we've got blueprint, but then it's expressing. From the expressly,

there's some system, like, transcribesi, and then get translated into protein. The last, it's metabolite. Metabolit is

that can be correlations errat with health status our, if we'll talk about what's about? qualityasant, what's the last. Hasaner Lezat, Rasanierreth, in your coffee,

he hascidity that big, he has bitter taste, he has flavor note. Everything is related to metabolite composition. What is in our food? And, I was, because I was working in

project that's using microbe. Because I'm microbiologist, yeah. So many, I'm notic, microbii, maybe microbae this, how we can't use cell that's small that's as a host factory

to produce bio-based chemicals, so we can get renewable energy, so that. So, so. And I'm bantuptu metabolic engineers that they're manipulating gene,

that's up, so much more not trial and error, try de, try degen, this, with we can't make-a-ine-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in. With we can't mapping all metabolism from cell microbia that, we know, in-and-out. But what goes in-between, we know.

From the barathe, if it's digestive system, from when we're going to come, to come up, what's going to be metabolism we, the jalur metabolism. That's the awolm. And from there, we can make like super-strain,

sopactivity's more than productivity has, they're more than it's more than when we're going to be able to work in industry, he has puttick, traits that's good to skill up. And then, bring,

this, the endang with ITB in 2014 very excitedly, I talk about metabolomics, then more, what's what, what's what? It's not,

in ITB. Because, because what, but, when it, biotechnology industry, not there in Indonesia. Neasent.

Or, Non-existent. Non-existent. So, not-existent. We're making self-factory, want to make bioreactor, but there. Aftern't what I'm going to do.

How much, how much more than, the concept metabolomics? That's the work is trending. Coffee luke-luck, like trending, the price-one-lipat

more more, but many of the false. And no one could tell the difference. What's the difference? What's the better than, it's very good coffee, he can, he can, he has a taste of high, quality-notes with loa-law.

But, can, we can't tell what, see, something that's-hast in coffee luac, yeah, not-a-d-d-d-coup-y-a-bys-a. Now, there's, we'll look, from the component, to metabolite marker. Ternat, if they're-d-d-louac, there's a couple-component, that he's more big, only in-copy-louac.

From-cli-lac. From-octification. That's one of the result. that's a lot. So, that's a good news. Then, it's the topic of press release. Diliput, the CNN, in BBC UK, di interview,

into Science magazine, in Compass, there, detic, even, even, even, even to Nike Shimbun, TV, that's, tagline is, world's most expensive coffee authenticated.

By what? By metabolism? And people want to know. In Indonesia, people want to know. Yeah, well, that's actually very good, this, yeah. Opportunity to make up

that, that's been good, to make authenticate product our that's very important. Now, but I don't want to just stop there, pengent to know, what's the difference

from A. And coffee from coffee from Papua. Pasti, they've got composition marker that's different, flavor notes that's what, what is, metabolite that's

So that, it's it's the end uphundred and, and then, finally, the same product plantian who have high-value

commodity, coffee, Kakao, buahs, peh, it's also, it's also, what,

the target, like, to we canalsh analyze with metabolic. And, at the end, I'm going to

do you do this, how much we can't use quality of product of the

production in Indonesia, so, so, can't global. How much?

Now, that'saritan from, by the time, why long back like, product because, why not there's, there's, there's like,

there's been market for people, the market for people Indonesia also. Pekened it, can't be known with

people, people, and, and, and, and, one thing that's,

one that's not yet, is, standard quality, we're, we're, product,

It's like production, but quality-yampenay. So, yeah, di-joling local-a-jol-a-jail-local-a-a-value. Sementara, if, if we can't make-loughed-value, can value-cadded value, and product we're as a pride, representative of Indonesia, it's able to lewet. Product Pangan our own sort of diploma also one of diplomacy also to to make up to um,

so, that's actually, from the motivation very simple, I think more people people people, people,

and made in Indonesia. Um, past, the time, after, it's, you know,

and mouled can't, the, think, is, can't be, so, so, so,

so, I'm, so, like, how, so, make mangis, it's,

it's, it's, it's, so that he'd bea'u-hmm, not to bea-ru-rusac. How much, we can, let's go-ing banana, so that he, too, appearance-nearic, more, more, for example. Or how we can't take-pe that's-production in Indonesia

can be-export, how much, how much, so, steps-step that we're going to do, until he can't come in the country to-jewan, still can be consummsy. So I'm going to work. I'm building a lot of Japan. Many people, many stakeholders in Japan, many people are there

and many people who are together with penitip, penitip, and go through to the field, gawro along with the petanee, what's their? Masal of their, that, yeah, in the lapang. From there, we're melitinthia, is, it, is better,

aripping. Pelathing, all that's done, not, but, but the middleman's it's there. Still just back again, if product the petaning good, did buy it with the market moreh from middleman this.

Incentive system? Yeah, so, actually, they're going to demotivation. Intentive that's the most important for them, first, what is financial motive, do you? Insentive first.

But you, but you're not, there's not enough capacity biotechnology to, not only makingacted quality, but but it's notheritism.

Oh yeah, so yeah, so we're going to be able to work because productivity also many people who are from being humiliation, how much them believe system production and also, we'll make money

that's the best to be productive. But what I've looked at this, productiv, so, yeah, we have many production, but many that actually the production goes to waste. or he's not bejewal to market so much, so much people in Indonesia

that's focus to productivity. But, but it's still a little bit more than focus to quality. And why? Because we're kind of like to know if you're going to make sense, there's been trying and error in there. Sementara, with metabolomics,

we can give what, what, name, inside, inside, and what, is it, what's, what's, if we're going to do? If we're going to do it, So we know So we're going to take out

So something's going to figure out until something works If we're going to look at If we're looking at one of the Pendepanananian It's probably It's Thailand Thailand is very much

In Thailand is very much In fact I'm going to be From what I'm going to be sure from HAL for food and minimum That researches in Bangkok not in Kuala Lumpur, not in Jakarta, not in Dubai, not in the country, the Islam.

Because, they're just enough much much much more. We're going to scale that's much more, I'm going to be able to beapeuticcology this,

for the peningotivation, but also productivity. This is all It's notheran, It's nothanan, It's about All right-machem-machem-like. But, but we're

getting too T'allan's just made that the and he's focused We don't say we we're doing industry manufactures

to be here Japan but we're to be in a country what they're they're really put put to focus to their product aquaculture their,

but it's a but it's a but really-and-focus in there. they become very good at it. So what's the... What's the... Obatness of Indonesia?

Indonesia, to, ...isperus to be able to be generalists. Pengen, smearal... ...pacquered, we're... We want to be good at everything,

but finally we're not excellent at anything. We need to be excellent at least in one or two things. We choose. What, what is what we want to do? We want to do it, with industry-mature, material-it-could, it's always digaung-k.

We've been to make a persona-terbank. or we'll back to the heart our lives. to the world we're about the way of the way of our life. It's been advantage, but now focus is there peccas-pecah, peccas, yeah. We want to be here, want to be it and to get-in-jure kent-kittal of our what is our strength, our biodiversity. Backer to there.

Balak what is in the water, back what we're doing. optimation, Scalant, to the scale-cala in the scale-s in the context general-specialists to be able-beener

about diversities we can, as far as people like you need to be you've got. You're, kind of specialist.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, in Osaka, but you can't even if you can't even if you're eveninginging in Indonesia. Yeah, this maybe I'm going to

topic of Pembicicillan about STEM in a specialization, that's right, yeah, the intuiness. We're not, scientists. Quarang. Yeah, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, man, I'm not, infrastructure, policy, infrastructure,

policy, to have to make sure that's uprook in the bidangue. Not diduntot for, if someone who are the heirsikers, still have been told application, hilarization. After we don't have basic science

that's quite. But although we need to be able to be the engineers, so right, so, so, so, so, so, so, so. So, this, we're not puttut to do all over it,

in Indonesia. if, if you know, if there's always, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of, so,

people, not want, to be used to make sure, they're, so much, so it's, so it's

people, people, that's a little, because, maybe they're more, if we're

people, because we're hard to survive in Indonesia. Susa, It's just to be compit. Padal, while,

I'm also, I'm going to be professor professor joko. Belial it's world-class reference for, this, codoc, in J-TB.

In J-B? Professor Joko. Oh, I think, I heard Joko. Joko, yeah. Beliow, it's very, about amphibia,

about cat, so, so, yeah, it's, kind, how, if, you know, but, you know, but,

he is world-class reference and we need to the expert experts, expert, in each of each biodeiversity our, really, betu-beto, the fact, we have been able to bea-astawan, he'll al-a-Tempe,

so, this, this, this, this, but, but, focus, so. So, we can have many, a-hli-a-li-li- to make-a-diversitas-

our-to-react-a-old, because, like, but, but at the end uphundreding to be able to make-embang one commodity that's important. But,

but you're gonna. Jave, yeah, about what you've been what you've got to be able to get back to you, B, gomomobics,

long-pong-a-gapal-a-gation, can bea many people. Yeah, that's-tall-old. Yeah, 10-old. 10-year, when I was... Maybe, I'm still beasumsically Like that's like,

scientific discovery more advanced, like than than Indonesia. Maybe it's been able to say, scientific discovery in America kind of more advanced rather than Indonesia. Yeah, right? Right.

This is not a statement anti-nationalist or what, but we have to know what the pranagan. I'ma. I mean, I was a lot of, I'm talking about guru who's about in America-day, he's about what, yeah, in context of time,

the sum, the sum of S-3 in 2002, that's lured from Tyeongk, to, it's, from India,

2005, maybe, from Korea, 1,300, from Turkey, 40-an, from Indonesia, from Indonesia,

and Indonesia, And Indonesia, the position's in the Baja, Ghana, which is in the way of the sameapura, Malaysia and other than other, Ghana. Yeah, can?

When we think we're, we'll be able to call in production S-3, in STEM, with a country like Ghana? Yeah, right? Yeah, right?

We're, we're the power of economy the number 15 in the world. Population the number four in the world, democracy the big of the world three in the mostin minimum 1,000, yeah, can't, anguania? Yeah, succour, succour,

is more than than Turkey. Yeah. Turkey, 450, South Korea or Korea, South Korea, soot, 3,000, we're 7,000,000,000, population 50, we're 280,000. That's maybe the level of complexity that first, that has we have to be sadari and sikaping. The second, in the way,

that's a little bit more than. Yeah, right? Pasti, like, from 82, that's maybe I'm speculative, the majority of like you're wrong. I hope I'm wrong. That's how, that, so, agar you can be inspired for the number of 82 that

can be able to 1,000, 2,000, succour, succour, 3,000. Because without that, we can't-you-can can't-tile with the we can't exportier one of the bestar,

for brass. Yeah, can? And, and everything. And everything. Yeah. How, how is it? Now, we need experts. We need specialists.

We need people who want pursue higher education and menokuny one bidang, so, and sustainable. But, back, but... Back again to incentive, people, people are you guys? After the S-3,

career is the other than what? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, the end-uginging is, the agamissi's how much, the burdening is, that's up, and compensations are

end-dha. People are, what, what, what we have to make up, for investasas of money,

investasasy effort, but, but, can get a maximum. we can't principle of pa, yeah, sir. Yeah, basically, what we need to invest it, has come back to us, bigger,

don't. don't even if we'reggy, yeah, sir, yeah, pa, bias and there are some, people, from the time d'uble, people who are

people who are people who are people intellectual, that's there, but that's the number of us now we have people who's

people who are people who upy, to be contributiccultivusy, to meditacisiccate their science, because that's their passion. But, people who are people who are about many,

now now, now we're going to raising the number significantly. So, it's just there transformation about

why becoming an expert is going to become an expert, it will be going to nanty-n't, in 5-10-to-daping get a job, if you can't get a job, if you're not,

I've never been thinking like this, you know, to you're going to be able to get a lot, if you're going to get a job or not, you're going to work. Cueck just, when it's, because it's, it's, not to be able to be able to be scientists and have to bein' class in the world. What's the way.

It's the same thing. Beto-toeatioance. The powering is, it's. because of the right? Because of the time. Because of the key, to put the end-to-pintu-pintu-op-op-pintu-op-op-put-oportunities. So, chance favors prepared mine,

that's a letter-pastor. So, bettulinginging is, kind of democratization. Right. Irrespective of geography. Right. And what you're doing now, it's very contributative,

for Indonesia, that's the way that's the person, or, you know, that's, it's, di-anct, not patriotist, that's, it's kind of wrong-parker. Yeah, 10 years last, like that,

right, the country, um, the, the Ussan, who's put in position, we've got to bea-sis-sissua dicta, 10, 15, years, before there, LPD, all, the concepting is,

to comebal. It's still. there's still about about not even back. So, the concept of being, because of Indonesia to be inundit,

and, I mean, that's not wrong because, because, because, number, we've, really,

is from, we're not, so, we're not, but it's, not that that's, that's the world,

it's not can be much around, it's not can be be madehavitka, from the world. Just how we make sure can't make optimisation talent our own

talent our own our own, but from brain gain, but from brain game. I'm using I'm using language or brain circulation yeah, brain circulation

so it's mutter want to be Afghanistan or in English or in Osaka or in where as well she can she's circulation

right right back to to Indonesia the limo wisdom but how how much

to be to be socialization the importance of the same ishtick, that's important for Indonesia. And scalanes, it, really, really, has to be done to scale, we can't be able to be a banka that we aspirations. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If, if we're going to be able aware, yeah. If we, it's going to be not just science and technology. But, just be jargon,

but science and technology this is, it has to be frontier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, we think,

to be in a country that can't do somehow make a technology and technology not there. How can't people who can't make up to

So how much how we have to make one grand design to be able so we need to be able if we need a lot of Indonesia who's going to beaversity this, there's a lot of people need in this

to be able to work not-papah, he's just a-lang-a, but really-beenar-a-le, because with the-a-lis-erangue can, serangue, can be able be manvassed, for production madu

or he can be to make-luck up pollinacy, that's it's from from the way from the way deeply, that it's kind of

sometimes sometimes still d'Imehkan in Indonesia. Not there's little room for we can give what name

room gerac for scientists can thrive in our country we're in the world. one of a mythos that's a lot of the that's a lot of the world,

in America, that's a lot of the United States. It's a lot of it's very much to be partaking. What's important, if this is done it's been able to be given that, it's going to be it too, even that's quite. That's the statistic is just, that's only 80% $8%

for the American for STEM, that's coming from school that's again and the same thing. So, so, but the kindalance not pendanaan,

the endangeloan competencies. Right. Yeah, right. But, if, if, if, if,

then, then, he's just he'd be able to be sure up back, he'd be being aashisua, that.

Right, now, how we've to be doy-do-do-do-you-old, people to want to make up to bring uprogram S-3, in Stem.

At the Osaka, like, in Afghanistan, like, in Liverpool, like, in Nebraska, or in-mah, the way. The, the thing, the Kee-B,

also be able. But, don't even so, you're trebock. And the pola-picker that, ah,

I think it's not because the not-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- . That, that's-all-s, so-l-sbut-. If you know, if you know, if it's just because of the same, it's the same thing. Right.

If you're going to be able to beaacusua Japan, this is a little reproachsican what what's going to beckon, making little, can yeah? Maken a little more than more than what, can't be able to level S3. And what? Hanylap, lap to that's retent to, which can get mahasisuehs'a too, sir. because, because, better than America.

In America, it's a job. It's a job. It's a job. So, they're able to people, people who are

people from the same, paid job. Beda than, if we're in Indonesia, we have to apply,

pay SPP, that, yeah, and because because, there, there, there,

there, investation of, there, money, that, will it pay-off? , if there lucrative

career track? If, if, if we've got to be it's like a lot of, how much more than pay off, if you're in Japan, industry is due S-3. Many so many people in R&D

without S-3 can't be able to. So, we have R&D, R&D, in industry, the kunchiness that. We're not only career track from people S-3 this, just as academicism, but they'll beputtuked in industry. And this is lucrative

for people Japan who's but maybe she's but he's quite because he's quite because of academic she, and get a academic position is too,

he has been able other career track as a scientist in industry. And that's there, it's quite much, that in

Indonesia, we don't. Who? Who? The industry, in Indonesia, who want to payer

Gage S3? With, same, yeah, with scalalany, in the world, that,

that's, back, again, the calculation the calculation doesn't match. Selamma, the industry in Indonesia this, below-embangun-R-N-D, they're not going to need to be able to

support. If there's not a demand, not-ad-supply, that's part of supply and demand. Tenaguerger-in-basket that we can't be able to set-a-trap, not-bis-you-manfacred

and it's just to bemanfaxed to-octus. , at least, percuma. they're out of the other because of the other in the country where they're in where they're in a place

with capacityasness, with compensation that's like, situation and condosive for what they aspire to do as a scientist. So, so it's not only just multiplying the numbers. Peneraping the number.

Peneraping, optimization from the tenagreth of talent it's just what's about what's about what's about R&D

where we're alight to be able to make a assembly, like not just not, not, not

and we're making copy, and we're in the end, but we're not there's about in

the Pembangan. It's, it's puto investasasy too, from industry. Aftiqq industry that

people investasically because of R&D, because of R&D that's in-nilay the long-pansang. If you're not past,

that's, if you're that's much that's to be pertimanked by the people industry. To be able

to be specialists, like you, that's, that's the important to make up productivitiveness.

Not peru- quality-tus- because if productivity, because if you're because if you're because if you're making uprofitability, yeah, the end uproofing it's up to pass on. Right. Apakas the day billy is enoughy?

Maybe there are carapuance. But if we can't productivitazes first, it's past with the value that's not But it's not only from there's it's investations. For the people of industry, but in the jangka menager, panangue, we've got to increase it's also quality. Which, it's more safe.

The time maybe the thing of probiotic-neurom's or microbiome's, this is more. And it's specifications for the important for we can't make upholic like a clip like, like, like, or apopun, like, like that's been. So, but but it's not,

but, but, but we're still focus to creating highly talented individuals who are career in science and technology. But if we're

if we want manfatan sumberdai that's maximal, it needs to go beyond papers. It needs to go beyond books. Yeah, right?

And, and what can translate it is industry. they're like, they're going to translasical for the music to the community.

So we need our industry to be strong in science and technology. This is the Japanese. R&G is quite. Now, how we can't give an incentive that's to industry? For the first,

maybe there's caraguan. But if there's policy policy that's clear incentive, yeah, they can back again, has had to be itung, It's not, for them for the economy's for the higher-your-ifference to-a-st-st-3

to-gagy-gauge-le-le-le-d-d-cig-d-costs. For what, if, if it's just-a-law-sha-law, if I'm-law-sha-bara, if we're-shustra, people-oh-a-st-st-old-us-lid-sus-old. It's not-sult. It's not-one-many-old. Yeah, academic position is one option. but there's like that's

like to look to pay for the same, because they've been a keyakening that's a good thing, that's being made money time. That's where the value that also can pass on, to consumer, which, which, where, the, daily, you know, if there's the endangue is there,

if there's a dealer that the money, yeah, the value-tambah that's been given, or to contribute-sican, it can be passed on to consumers in the world. Yeah, export. That's not even. And I'm not yet.

It's something that's not possible. It's not possible. Very much. It's now. There's been many grackan, industry, mulay, many start-ups.

The government also many, to linkage between academia and industry. Cuman, more like, academia, make something,

then, industry that's but if the energy in industry this, not experts, At the gap, Pai. Now, that's it's in the gap.

That's why the gap is R&D in industry we're going to be. At least every day, right? Right. To be your own, you know, is it, has been made for students'a-sissue Indonesia for school in Osaka University? Al-hmmulah, al-hmm,

now, in team I, have 19-of-oldeer, nine people the people in the people people. I wonder why. You have to show them that it's possible. So, lead by example, is my motto. That's from 19, 9 is the person

is people. And the majority of those, the majority of those, chewe. There's also some people who are because because of the because of the because of the same. because of the same,

how we're going to gugugach, the people who are looking at STEMM it lucrative, if no one's doing it and no one's showing them that, what lucrative is,

what, it's more and more people to show that that stem is a job career that not only fulfilling and menaric, but it's necessary, it's important.

So I'm up to say, with what I'm up with what I'm supposed, yeah, just to use in Instagram, my stories, what I discovered, to try and make sure to make sure-and, medacat-can gap, between what they've done to be relatable. If Bussati can, I also possibly be able.

I want to belajure in S-3, because someone else is doing it and they can, So if so much people, that's possible, that's possible, we can't make sure, we can't even Permanuble, we can't get a lot,

but we're still humanusia can't be human, that's that's being a wife, tetap, to be a person who can contribute to the

community, so, we can't, so, we're having to many, There's possible, that's possible, without the case of the stigmat.

Because what we're still, from when we're small, we're doing people in school high. Aftering, if you're not in the same, it's still, pa.

Dibylang, not you're going to go to schoola tingi-tingi, nancy, not there's going to go, though. Susa-dapot-dott-you-lott-you-could. That's not a ring

It's like that's that's the people's the people that's the people that people people people who are young, demotivation. How we're making matthewathing stigmat the same. You don't have to choose to be this or that.

If we're going to be career, we're not able to be a work. If we can't be a career, we can't do both. How can't how much? How can't reality is to to them to think they're so that's highly possible

so that I'm also that I'm trying to work and at the end up after the last year maybe there's success story mackasysua, can't lose S-3, the time,

to bring upah their story to beaughan it to multiply, so. So I'm really that I'm not only about I'm in Japan it's I'm trying to

puttis, lumut. Lumut, we're puttis, we have established in one place Netsk, so much-

So, how do you? How do you get to be lumut all right? We're going to be able-umut-smobile. There's one just, but we're having, how we can't check many,

SDM-that-ung-n't-n't-pulang to Indonesia. From-a-sac-pullang, I can, one-in-sin, I'm-hassil-a-tus-pul-ed, that's-we-you- that, that's-grimonging scale,

we can't-monging-amplify. But but, but how much, but how much? But how much, Baja, Baja, Baja, Baja, Baja, Baja, for me. I open the privilege that I'm in Japan. I have used to be the door that, you know, before my,

brain linkage, to be able to be able. And, then, that, before me. And, I open it for other people. And then, that's just, you know, that's not. So we have dreamed of, to actually, to get to the critical mass, that we need to get to the next to the 9. This is 9-9.

9-9-mobiles 3? Now, 2, 2, but they're leading to S-3, so, so, 7 to be 6-mobiles 3. Wow, Bias. And 5 perempuan.

Where do you see that number in 5 years? In five years, from 9, can't 100? If I'm just like, if I'm going to beaming to 50, because the last monthor-professor I can't bring

until 50. So I think that number, at least in the next 10 years. And highly possible, because because many work with research research that I've done,

it's much with Indonesia. I'm even have a perhation for product our product even lab even lab I'mak global food and agri-tech

so much food and agri-tech very deep with Indonesia. So, many collaboration, collaboration in Indonesia,

many also ultimately, there's with with the people, people, many,

research, I'm recommend-sac- recommend-sikers- I'm recommend-siked, I'm good, to continue at the place I,

so, so, so, so, from, there, not too much to get a chalon masasuosu because interactuically. I'maicinia. They're seeing mellisd-aarion

I'm. So, um... To beauching, from where a lot ofeemps, um, um, IPB. And, and then, this I'menriam and this two from Bryn.

But there's one from University Bengulu. Moshaw. Yeah, it's one, BASU, LPDP, and from Begou, I've been from Bungkulu, dikidu,

the program world-class professor. At that, I was there, I'm set up scientists muda that's very smangat. He recommended the classiswain who

when I was going to see, I lecture. He, when I was actually, I'm going to go to Osaka, and I'm going to bea places, and that's

he did. He lulus, he applied LPD and malmary, and now, I'maubub, now, again,

study S2. From, From palu? From there's from palu. Right. So, right. So, so I'm sorry, I'm trying to encourage, but maybe we're having becomegit can motivation to the kids, that, you know, you, you, you know, because, you know, because of

Minder, oh, do, bhaasic-ingris-huh, to be able to bea-luss. So, so I mean, step-as-by-step, have been planning, if we're, if we're if we're not taking action-actionable plans, In that I'm trying to give tips, how much tips, how much better than how much time? So, so that's the way that, so, it, so, it's made to be able to plan well, the next steps,

that's a lot of the next step. I've had done chara, you're going to Japan, one other one again to English, one other than to America. It's about the dominator's They're not always glenacted Before yeah

Yeah, right But not know how It's interesting And the trajectory is this, and three-thagretinger, and three-tribes, into, you know, really, commitment to be able to look at

the number of Indonesia for participation in the world-in-lawful, which is partiscapeda-its, that's been able to be used to be able to be able to be able to be able to. And this scalability that's not-munkin. And this justro,

that's done by people are people yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right now. Because of the same way, representation India, but because there's sponsor,

the Lumutna. Yeah. Yeah, can? Lumut's it, maybe, leotan in the time 70s and 80s. They're who are being a primitist, they're who's a hub.

Yeah. What's your end game? So, so, I'm saying that there's a couple of people that I've got to know, Maybe there's the matrix what's the wrong way.

What's looking at measuring someone's capacity in the wrong way in Indonesia. Maybe there's soft skill that's important to we can compete globally that justro before being looked

or even being focused. I, I, I, I'm going to be sure. In America, there are a Pemberian visa for lulusan universities. To be able to be

professional. That's the name of H-1B visa. From the H-1B visa, 75% to the people to the people to people people of Korea-Salat. Padhaal representations, it, in allure campus, in America, $450,000 people. But he just got up 10%.

India, is about $200,000,000. He can't get up to 75%. Korea'slata, 150, it's just 3%. Indonesia, representation is only 8,500. Starting point now. It's under. And... But I have to have been a keychering...

Yeah. ...India, like Turkey, Korea, South, Tyeong, Thailand, Thailand, Thailand, Indonesia. ...secretive, it's maybe same. Yeah, right? even if can't even people can't even yeah,

yeah, but differentiations that's soft skills I'm always mongingia to jago encephed yeah yeah yeah

he's brany he's really to make upakum kendapat can't get articulation idea you know what

it's like you I'm like you I'm I'm looking you're so that's capable to articulation,

whatever. and this is a little bit of the can't the kids, inspirative, I want to shoot for the stars. Not a man, not chowel. Yeah. And that's maybe soft skill

that we have to asker can. But, soft skill line-in'n't, how we could make matthewatting mythos. This is not a kind of aendal of This is a condolentity. Right. Yeah, if you,

you score G-R-I-N-K-MATs like that, score G-METs like that, score SATs like that, not-muchin, it's not-you-hmm. If you're not-muched, it's not-muched. Now, that's what you're not.

Yeah. That's, maybe, PR-partame, but PR-2nd-the-the-n-thewan. The next level. Beyond, only just certifications, the plus-in-law, that's-you-law.

It's kind of, but whether we're going to go the whole way or to the same-way or to get a set-tetect-tertentoo, yeah, that differentiating the thing that's that's what? Plus-ne it's what, that's what, that you can't be that you can't. But, the end of it, to be the end. I'm just that.

Uh, I'm just the end up and I'm going to be a lot of it. I'm going to be a lot of it. So, so, I want to live a meaningful life. But how do you want to live a meaningful life? Sobetulny,

principle of mydupu's simple. Meaningful life, and I want to be a manpowerat for other. For that, what I'm doing now, it's,

I'm going to resonate with what I aspire in life. So, I'm going to bealajarie something, to give them so much more than things get tough. Because it's not only about me. It's about the greater purpose.

So, so, to be it, to be, and then to be a core, tumourin printis, to move up a job for people, the penitian can't give upbishop beyond science

to make sure that that I'm trying to make sure that what I've got used for this this is in multi-dimension not only science but really, but to get to go to to the sameasasasas

massacat, mowning can capacity SDM Indonesia and nantini Indonesia can't be able to potency to yeah, yeah, diversity our more optimal.

But beyond that, be a matter of that, if I'm not going to be a part, if I'm not for my own car, so sometimes we're to look to look at. So, within. I'm trying to do with,

I'm upyaka as a cutaway from a organization, as a pedic in lab, as also business woman. But what's the most the thing that's the unilies and and the family's also biga bapah-Ibu also

mercea that's about that's a lot of people. So, I think it's, it's all kinds of very simple. I don't dream to make,

for a prize Nobel or or so much, but... I was going to ask you that. No, it's... ...denan we're going to be the people

people, we're looking to do something for other people bigger than ourselves. And we'll make a word it's our own. Pride and recognition. But what I think that will make us go the extra length,

go the extra mile, is if we have a lot, is that we'll make a lot, and the love, and the more than our own our own. Speak, to the other than I'm going to be.

You see? You see? I do you know, I, you know, I mean, you know, you know, you know, you know, you've got to bempanguaries to people like, to who can't knowobos? Do you see yourself?

Mudda-mudda-man, yeah. So, what I'm doing, is to be able to set up people can be better than I can, so, not only for me personally. And I'm looking at that to get up, awarding,

that's got to get back. It's not something that I, I mean, I mean, that's not my NG. If you're not my NG. If I'm just like, if I'm going to bemanfaatant, it's been able to be reshue.

But that is not, that is not what I'm looking for. And then never, that's what's that's going to make that's going to make sure. We're not berpicker I'm doing this

and it's like this and it's that actually made things like that in all the same all the same it's about to make sure to

make sure to make sure for the same for people who people who are that there's a thing that can be a lot

but if we're for the sake of the greater good it's almost, it's a lot of the powerbos. It's my end-game. And this is my endgame. This is statistic

just that, that's the only number of, in the Islamu-Stem, it's done 600-year-old, since 100-tawn the past year. Ampire 200, that's been won't be won't by the people-tour-tourunan-y-hout-Jewi.

Yeah. Yeah. more than 25%. Although, population is 0.com%, from 8 million. The country islems maybe

even more than 5% than 600, that's kind of, it's a bit, yeah, how can't be pimping, if you know, if you can be a pern

to make uphackan future generations of Nobel laureates, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the great, good argument. Right, right. Yeah, right? Now, come on the last month, while I'm going to make, with the Pimpinan School in Singapore.

I'll not say that it's not as well. It was, while becanda, not becant, he gave me know I, that he just went to recruit one of the menang Nobel to teach at the campus. Wow. I asked, you, out of what? Yeah, he said, yeah,

Yeah, he's about the whole, the number of the number, yeah, it's quite good. Yeah. But, budget that's been made by recipient Nobel's it, for the laboratory and scalany, that's great. Yeah.

I'm, I'm thinking, wow, gill, this, investasiness, it's really really. Then I'm just, I'm going to recruit again, that's up to, you know, we're going to be able to 25. Because of the testa why? Why about you want to be a lot of So, he

There's been a You know, at the MIT that Menang Mobile's there 100? Anguplas if we can produce one just per time.

We need 100 years. We can't be able to get to be inorganic. Yeah. So, we know, not we, we

have to be inorganic. Yeah. We can't. Cank. Cank. Cank. So, we can't talk about

one, he has to ask for 3,000 people. In 10 years, he already gajar 3,000 people. Yeah. If we're going to record 20-25, you'll call in just 300 per class times 10 years.

Like, yeah, we can't be able, to, in 10 years, um, production 100 men, men, mobile. Mawam, like, like, that's the, the people, I'm going to be that.

Yeah. Wow. Wow. The country, like, but they're like this. But they're also think about education is a money-making industry.

Everything. Beto. Yeah. Bucan making. But not money-making. But, but... So, they're... So, they're...

...that-aductive, that's not just to mencerdasker the but... But it goes beyond that, that. But... Now, with that,

we're... ...that we're... ...that... ...that... ...that... is a lot of it. Because if Singapore can't makehalsicicca can't make sure it's magnet,

for more than to... Before making upholed by the United, it's just made made. Beto. Yeah, can. The people are in Asia, many, how many, who are defissa, to go to school, to that. But, but, but,

but, but. But, but. But, is the end-ugn-in-you-na is, is it? But-to-you-canary, scenario, where there the Nobel, who's been given uprope

using the passport English, to do you know, maybe that's it? We're not, that? Exactly. So, if we can't show up can't getterbukaan

like that, I'm more than, that we can't be great-magnan. But, before that, incrementalisman is it is bigot.

Yeah, we can't we can't be like because of bombasties but without cutterbukaan or the case of what has been done other than other

that's done that's real. Okay. So how? So, to be it. To the to the

depot. We want to do things that are for the greater goods And then you're at least it, but I'm not yet yet, but I'm going to campus, too, I'm doing the industry, can't

explore, import, and from from there's a vehicle to be able to get up product product UMKM, sourcing to let's own to petanee, then you'll be able to go to be able to different application from

the result reset that has done. So, it's not only focus in campus just, but I'm just in grand design this to make sure in what I'maqqaqaqaqaqaqa. I'm still meritis,

though maybe while pillar that has to first we have been checkup SDM-ungul, highly-quality, what name is, individuals who can be experts,

to come to Indonesia, I have to be in campus to be trained them, educate them, supervise them. That's privilege that not there in industry. So,

I want to be an educator. main mission. But it's like how we can't get to get to the academy to the community. And it's just to try to turn to long-to-business. And how we're makinghimpun people, like

I'm like, I'm in, the Lawmone diaspora. We've got organization, the un-international, it's mawadahi illuan Indonesia in all the world. Termsukes,

the recan who's all the people, the people, I'mgott of people. It's going to be going to get back, so, we can't be

a reich something like India does, like, we're doing, we're going, we have been one. We're

we have put in-game our, we're, as community in-curity, such a collective, Not just sporadish individual So how much

How much how much about We're up to be able to give upbishop To be able to make impact Yeah, that's about I'm doing. So, in setyap run, it's, there's, many who many people think to be able to do, how much juggling the run that's very bad.

But, so, it, it, not berbidda. Because, it, it, must be in one main mission I'm all right. It's allurementation, that's just just how much implementatisically it, but everything is connected. So, there's not that I'll do in one pran, it, it's not going to be a benefit. So, so, it's all that's connected. So that's what I want to do, and what I'm going to do with more

more people can go to learn metabolomics, yeah, specific to my I'mangu. I'monged Indonesia with each masing capacity that's learning and also to make more people

Indonesia that to be around to make, that Indonesia needs us and what we can do not only as a individual but collective.

That is the power India and China that we've been put in, how to increase the numbers how, how do you mumpuling,

muggah one of the people who are whereupon there's about it's about it's about evenaping. And what I'm the osaka, a thousand miles away, it's not only the people in academia, but petaning,

the level UMKM. It will be able to make-hiscar-briacan to make them bring upherment from the economy and also, the country we're banged, if we can export Tempe from Indonesia, Scalanya, TMPI's got international

to be able to beaugheyneged. It's from there. So, so what I'm upyakan this is with one need, to give-merfaitan that's more than

mouda-mooda-un-hand-n't-a-noban. The universe actually conspires. Enthantah, from where everyone that I've metemue to, there's many, actually, I think,

and, I'm giving-cuitan, motivation, that's like, so, that's like, like that's the way kind of, and it's got

got to be with many people, like, people like, what I'm can't, what I'm

doing, like, that's a media. So, really, really, thank you

for the opportunity to tell my story. Well, done. Keep it up. Thank you, Pagita.

Thank you so much. And so. That's Sastya Pramaputri, Associate Professor at Osaka University. Thank you.