Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Prof. Emil Salim (Part 1): Renungan Tiga Zaman (#RI75 Special)

Episode Date: August 12, 2020

Dari memaknai rasa lapar di zaman penjajahan, hingga menumbuhkan kembali rasa kekitaan (gemeinschaft) di masa pandemi, Prof. Emil Salim mengajak kita semua untuk menanyakan lagi: apa artinya menjadi Indonesia?

Paul Emil has lived in three years, and he's also with with a lot of the life of war that has brought up to the power of life, that's all right. This is Endgame. Hi, my, we're here today,

today's coming, Paul Emil Salim, who just made up on the year to 90, and we'll talk about long with him about about about about things about about about kind of a realy

from time revolution, the time of democracy, and, the partuner, the most passionate he was about the link-un-and-pendidikin. Mr. Emil,

Yeah. Pa-Mil, he was here to Lajat, then, then, back to Palembang, Pembang, then back back to Bogor, then to Jakarta,

then to Berkeley, where my dad met you, my mom met with you, and then back to Jakarta. I mean, you've had a very, very illustrious life. I want to hear from Paemille. Perjalan of your life of Pai, from 1930,

on June, Bapa, Bapa, about upur 11-a-town that's just, that's all-and-a-purned the world of the first of the two. I mean, you've seen more things in the banding I and the people of the world

and the world. Yes. That's in, if you look, what's interesting is I'm going to have three times, the time colonial, at the time I did SED, in Europe's Shilacher school,

with the other we're good friends normal, main Kasti, we're same as well. There's one thing that I, what, it's, be a lot of it, after playing Kasti in Banyar, Manor Manasin, in the de Kepel,

which is the place people people, women, minimum. So, we're romonged anna, man, The Netherlands, I'm from the United Capel, want to rush to drink. All of us, I'm going to stand.

Why? Why? I'm, I'm saying, this is a friend's kind of, it's not. Why? It's not.

Papan Puman Forbaudent Tukang for Hondin and Inlanders. So, what I mean, I said, Koolet. Koolet, you are you? So, you know, because of the koolet?

Yeah. There's what about all the skin? I'm really. I don't know. I don't know. But, not be able to. No, no. But I'm going to.

But I'm sorry. I'm not. I don't know. Lary to the room to, blangis to. Madu to you. Why? Why?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So, that. that was there that was great. And that's it's about. It's the land of the land of the lander we're here. The lander is there. We're not

like to be able to jihad. Because we're in London. So, so what's the I mean? I don't know what that. Yeah, it's not what that. We're not going to know, Class three. Number one, number one, number two, frame the Osterling, number three, we're in London.

Because that, that's not even when. I don't understand, that's right. I'm not saying, you're, you're a guy who is a jajahan.

Teng, but, but, but, but, not-chajah. The blood is in the way to beckyna, to beckoned that,

what you're more than in the middle, class three in orderly, that's, that's, to learn. The driving force. So, if I, if there's right,

if there are rapad, there on the other, there's people, I tend to give to look, I'm going to, I'm going to go on. I'm going. There's a conference.

There's a second, I'm not inferior than you. You've got to validate. That was the first, the first, the one of the very long-and-alming, but also, it's also, to learn, so.

So, fire, to learn, it's against, to show you can you not Now, two, in the time Japan, in the same time, imagine, boi, yeah, it's in the same time,

it's hard to eat, what, that, what, that, what, that's what, sushi, um, papida, that, that, that's, that, that's, that's in the day, time, seven, apada.

Jam, 11, That's already. It's a lot of us. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Yes, it's a lot. But we're at Arama. Yeah, siram.

Yeah, at Srahmahua, in Muzhou, Ghaquheng, Yasserama in Pellembal. So, Mender, merasca, it's not. So, what, that's, that's not. I mean, I'm going to, I'm going to go. I'm going to Japan.

Yeah. That's, we're not. We know. Yeah. I'm not only like you can't you can't be able to puttul you've pachol, you've got to beaul you have a pet, that's pupo,

it's pupo, popu, tan, pacu, otac, tanem, and we did it. And we did it. Wow. We did it.

So, safety tank, safety tank ashrama. We got to gopok. We're going to put up. for the water we've got to put up, we're not even the plant on the that's man that manned

what's the knowledge of lapar and the conviction of mampuble to be able to be able to putte for the purud, for the puttas for you that's the lesson from Japan. You really must know what is lapar. To appreciate. Yeah.

And the driving force, the time we're nanom, it's kind of, you know, the last time that's the last the time revolution. But, but in the time Belanda and Japan,

how the difference the other? Oh, where's the extreme? In the Banda, there's, there's no, the

but it's normal, but that's normal, and banjermasin, too, you know, normal is there, there you know, artinia, the last time, and so many things, the worst side of life is okay,

there's like in the time Japan. Now, when the revolution, yeah, as a young young young, she's got to the Kaka, kakak, there's in the Kerala. There's a war in the Ceraas,

there's some of the Blanda, yeah, we did. But, yeah, I was just saying, you do nothing. So, we're using parabolm.

Parabalum, that's that is the samepan in the so, so that, so, Now, because of the other than the other than the other than I'm like that's about. We have to be it.

Tiber, right, yeah, the friend's at the other, he'd be able to, where? Yeah, it's right, to get it, we have not knowledge what is mortier. We don't know that if it's mortier. We don't know that if that,

that's bad, and mortier is zing, that's, they have had to. So I'm back. This is from the military from where? From where? From the Bratierre from where? From the Blanda. Yes, well.

Yes. Yes. The most lesson that was the first lesson, that's, this is the part of it. That's not the art of the martyre. Then, the other, that's still, again,

This is a Pekang in the Pekang, if it's a T'Kong, it's a Poh-Ku-Dot. T'Raeck-Regos, door. So, that, stand, Gung, C'Rood, that. Masha'u'll. Now, my kakkak, you'd, Bally, Bally, Tick, Bally, Bail, B'uil. You don't go. This, this is not a game of these.

This technology that we've hadapy more than we're more. That was the lesson. But A.B.C. Mabot one of the learning, build your brain. This is the pen-gun versus cocaine. You lose. So, the experience A-B-C is to learn.

From there, driving force, forced, by the parents, then, then, to the faculty, tibed in the faculty, doctorateau, America, MA, after the PhD,

P-Sty. P-Hspa. Okay. 2018. 2018. 18-18-town? Usia. Oh,

U-Sia. In 18, 28. 28. Okay. So it's the restract or Yeah. Yeah.

And, and I'm about the time of the human, the human being that's... Yeah. ...that's the... ...you're going to beinion... Yeah. ...youbering, so... ...that's...

...and 64, 34-34, so... ...the ...the H.D. Berkeley, yeah. Yeah. But that is the background, yeah. Yeah. And I'm actually, because of the same thing that, so if we're going to be the meaning of the bendera that, you feel the meaning of the ender-being that,

because you've never alami, you are nothing, so that. So, every 17 August, it's, it's, it's very 13th of it, it's right? Yeah. I heard the story of Bapa, that's when in the time of the war, not in the time Japan, revolution, and, and,

that, the, of the people around, Amil, is the sense of giving up, or more sense of survival? Giving up, so... Yeah, how, it's, but, and this is the fight of your life time, it was. So, so much of the same as well, yeah,

that's now or never, that's one of the matter of that. As meredica that, that's, but, but, it's not, pitherto, but you have your experience to be in London. And then,

if I'm peratine, Bapacluss PhD, in 2004, right? I also I'm just to keep Ferdin and Tony with Max Weber. You always mention, Game and Schafe and Gazel Shav. Yeah, right?

Now, try, tell you, Paul, Man. Pandanananan about kitha. It's, can, that's got from game and shaff and geyself and geyself. Yeah. So, my guru's my, I took

sociology. So, so I like that. So, I like. And I like, so much so much. So I'm back to the back. And in the background of my name of chavu, it's kind of, so much more than that's, so that's. So, now, this, there's a lot of,

that's all that. That's all right, yeah. This is interesting. There's a program Zoom, yeah. Minang in all the world, diaspora, in the world, with all the whole of Indonesia, what I'm about how to be able to beaacques surau, Surau-minanthi, can be developed in international.

Wow. And, he's spakati, to build in Sydney, through Zoom. So, what, very fascinating, a dialogue, this is what? the people of the If there's a thousand,

oh yeah, many of the... Okay. So, there'spora, some of the diaspora. There's what, diaspora Minang? There's what, there'spola, there'stoum, thousands, and, thousands,

wow. Now, but what's interesting is, they, they, there's some kind of the kinnan kent of the kampo, some of the same,

What's what's been in the other, is that's the acrapan, mowbril, mowbrough, tukkirang, besenagurah, and with agamah. And that's done in Surau. Can, the young, yeah, in shamping, in school,

he's in in in surau, that, like, hatha, mawajan, much of all, it creates a geminsha, So your, your your heart is that's up, but the aceraping is, there,

the aceraping, you and I, it is not we, there. There's feeling that. Yeah. What I'm not really that is that

that the other that is now in the in the in the in this because of

because I'm Because of that, I'm sure that if technology digital is good, we may not lose our mindshaft. Because that, I'm a little unhappy, learn distance learning in 500 cabapetan that signal that, there is not there. Right. Right.

Right. Right. But, it's hard to look at what like, in Yokohimong, in Papua, in Tate, many different. So, distance learning, engendaki, electric, digital iron,

but not just, to maintain the gemineshaft, relationship, that community development, community building, yeah. And then, and then, I mean, like, that's the A, you know,

me, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, so, and, with technology digital. Now, to see that that I, that I've seen in

this, I think it can be done national. Yeah. Yeah. If, COVID-190, hikmahed, and imper-erat

Gaveat or chattachafed. Can't, charat if the tool is Can't. Just imagine, just imagine, out of the blue sky, in the long-gum,

in the dialogue, I'm going to, about, about the time, we're going to we're in in the

throughout, Why don't we do not do you know global? So, so it's a couple of the data, in Sydney, center. Amazing. That's amazing. So, I'm not so. So I've seen this spirit can go on with technology. But if technology is not growing,

we're not going. Now, I want to ask, Back again, to the time Mooda, man, when I'm going to learn at S.M.A., at university, it's preferensiness to empirical science or social science.

Now, I... I... I think, the time that, the time the people we're not final,

the republic we're not I'm not yet, so much more than Pancasilam. So, that's a time of it, because of I'm more the other

campus that I'm more more than social science. Okay. Sociology, how much, and active in the organization

Mahasasasas, because the I think that's in the long in the world of the Islam, it's just a thing that's agamahed that's not even tegang that. And that's in the world of Massachusetts, then I'm going to be there the one of the Jesuitary Council that who didn't have to Islam or Christiana.

We're inmate that, yeah, that. But, but the discussion is very much things that. Because that, I've got to have seen how hard to the time that engulking the unang-dashar

the law of the law-uner-asry on the Agam, Jakarta and then in the NPR the PIR deprecate President voting voting of pro-Islam and pro-oiting,

that's a typist. Because that, Pancahiscala, that's in 18 Augustus, in my mind my mind, it's very compromise that optimal. I'm,

I'm like as a basis that, that people were in the Baldwin or like this. So, but I'm talking about it. But I've got it. But I've got it.

that is a question. This is a question. Because that I don't like if they want to bombongar the law undang that preamble 18 August. Don't touch this. Because, the last year is hard. So, if people who don't know history If that, if you're in the cutak-catig,

without the background story, my God. So, at that's just, in the time, just we've got, we're seeing that. And, the most of now, who are upanagan-upon-a-lawful-a-torn-fond-a-old. Yeah. ...the-one-lough-lough-oh-hary, even in-old-old-old-old-old-old-old. Yeah.

young and that's more than in 2000s. Yeah. Now, back again, this, this is quite very much very much of the linguant

about what you're about what you're but if I'm talking about digitalization to make making connectivitization to get connected

to get a that can be to bea I'm, I'm looking much more than much more than many of social science. Yeah.

I'm looking for empirical science. That's if the back as now, science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. Yeah, yeah. Now, we can see, at score PISA. Yeah, can, we're not too be too but we're,

too, if we're, I think, has had a penicapen on the penitika, so that we can't be able to rankle that empirical science. Not that we're not necessarily we're not in fact that we're having bopot-can. Now, that's what about?

So, so I'm going to be it. So, I'm going to be the other than one of the same thing, so that's the time. So, that's in the time 50s, with some of the other people, we have a lot of them, he was about that, he wrote, Elbo Yunnani,

Indianani. So, the citra about Altsavad, Aristotle, Socrates, and so many, the time of the time. It's not there,

agama, there's not. But, the, the sense that I prolead in the time of the that's Socrates,

what, what to do, the how to do, the what, the what, the how, the when, much, much. But there's one, the other, not the Gugat by Socrates,

Aristotle, for what? For whom? There, there is still, Latinia, for whom is. Now, this,

Kitsit said, I'm in the middle of the time, Jaisalikimha, Baito-Igmaa-Rumak, House of Wisdom. So, why I'm then to tariff here, when people all talk about Islam, Islam that's the same that's the proleticier, Sohismu Yusuf Monsor, Monsir, Mnizir, Mnorsu, Islam, what I'm really, what islam?

What I'm interested in, where Islam islam where Islam has influential for the world, or the globe, for the peradaband, that. Zamannes of wisdom. Yes. And in the house of wisdom, that'slam, Kalifakish, but butchakir-is-Khākhanarismi, many, and what's interesting,

how do you know, howe, howe, how much the connection is I like the elmoy, and then, it's got to be it, out of course, is stimulated by this. Right now. Why not we can't make up to conflict. I'm Islam, I'm U, I'm Islam, I'm better than Christian. But how to contribute to the world? That's it, I'm actually.

I've learned from there, I've learned from Baito-ulam. Asheh. In the environment, and I'm in the student of my student in the same, and in the class, I'm in the student in the class, and she'll have taught, and that's fascinating. He was who designed a stilada. He's the class, yeah, the guru I in Boggert. But the way of the, he's, he's made,

I'maubar, konyometry, stereometry, and describe the methamal the, what's the name, but the way of the way, but the way that's fascinating. This is slip with a treat about kharismi. Yeah, yeah, I'm a big fan of al-Qua-Rizmi.

He who's who, he who's, and, so, the the words like algorithm, that's algorithm, al-Qarizmi, That's that's about in the digital, that's the algorithm or algorithm, that muiratea is aquaerismic. Yeah.

He's making navigational, and stuff. Yeah. So, true strong. What? Silaban makes me exciting to be exciting, menetakui

this, Al-Qaubisina, then the astronomy, and, and, etc., and, etc., So, that's not even when I'm notepard can be part of the buddhaas part of the buddhaas peradaping, right?

The lack of the Khaar can, I guess, remember I'm 13 February, in 2018, 2015, abat the 13th, hum, yeah, hantam, Hancur. Yeah, hantam by Mongol. In Baghdad and, to Rakhuz. The tragedy, Bahad, butchardin, the tragedy,

after the 1858, it, but, he was like, Islam as contributor, what, the world,

civilization and the of the and we and we're here, we're here, so this,

so it's so, I'm, I'm, But not only the language that's used by Vasco da Gama, Christopher Columbus, that's using basis, which is used by coming from around,

why we're not even we're not doing that's a way. This the thing of the world, not Baghdad, not this, not only only the Why are we not sinking through the other, you know, yeah, yeah.

So in the world now, what is the peradaphani, what is the other than Donald Trump, that? What is the buddhya, what is the buddhalla, yeah, that's the world, yeah, that's the development of the other? Yeah, yeah. And in there, I'm in Hungary, hungry, hungry,

because of the the Alkidavis, how much the House of Business by the Al-Kalimak, it, can be be able to bea of 21 this. Yeah. How that the way? Now.

Because, we, if we're, if we're going to limpah, for the penningan, 20% of APBN, but, tautunusor

desentralization, which we're quite to be the quality of the people in the area, for they can alocasicant in a bit of a good way to that's, if I'm optimistic, this, the long-in-in-in-pand-gain

our education, more jernic. But if, if you're going to, how panangang? Tiber in the peddickan. This is Endgame. The episode Endgame

I'ma penise. I'm being upon upon upon money from being made by Bunkarno. I'm damn worried about our education we lose time.