Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Prof. Emil Salim (Part 2): Ibarat Pelari Cepat Berlomba Marathon (#RI75 Special)

Episode Date: August 14, 2020

Mengakui kita punya masalah adalah langkah pertama memperbaiki masalah tersebut. Diperlukan kesadaran secara kolektif bahwa membangun bangsa adalah sebuah pekerjaan jangka panjang. Otot-otot penggeraknya pun perlu betul-betul paham apa tujuan yang ingin dicapai, dengan cara apa, dan untuk siapa.

Parties we don't a real party. Orientation of the development of our is not pro-po-po-small-men. This is NG. So, if we're from the cis-angarant, it's, can, for the penitain for the penning of the PBN, but, there's unsur desentralization,

which, which we're just too, to be it's to their quality of the people in the area to make allocations in a bit of a good way that. That's, if I'm optimistic, this,

this, this, this, better better, but if if you, how am I, speaking,

I'm quite, I'm quite I'm just that, Pisa, that's on the December 2019. Kempombole of the 2015 indexes 397,

2008, it's down to 2003-7, to see-1, too. Mathematica, it's down from 386 to 379. Science, from 403 to 326. In the world, it was Singapore

that's the high. Now, RRT. Yeah, China. That's amazing. China, 555, more than OECD. Indonesia, 371. Yeah.

If not, Not only from 70th of 60, we're not 60. Yeah. But 530, asthmah, ah, to God. But there's only one way up. Yes. This, this, then I'll see

compusition of our position of our bonus democracy. Boom, 1951-juta, umur, between 1564. The 15 to 354545, 100,000. This is a model for leaps landas. Because they're 15,

the 15, so in 2040. This is the key to be the key this is the key they're who are not industry four, but industry 12, 12th of the United. This is up here. Of course of the world.

All distance learning, how do you don't have, Tata Bucca, there's no. I'm then worried about our our education we lose time. And in the time, we'll have a opportunity for generations

that made motor of the manor-purgreve-le-le-le-Landas in 2004-5. I'm worried, but I'm optimistic. So we're, we need, this is the chief worry officer. Yeah, right? Yeah, right?

But if I'm looking at the point, this is the intuantoran dana for the Pendidicant, this for 25 years to the time, it's maybe $4,000 to $5 trillion. Accumulation. Just we just, But I think that one day,

that will be able to putusans that's unblethoring process of the lander so, that we're more be able to rankul empirical science, STEM, and line, and, like, and, and, if, I mean,

I think, kind of systemic-in-you-to-ad-stunting. If I see, data stunting, that's, from the kids'-un-ud-d-a-baw-law-law-to-law-a-half-old, five years, it's got and we're ranking four, if not a while, after India, Pakistan, and Nigeria. That's what can't

be hambat. But this is how we can pompa their, and how we can't pumpa in a permodalance or to beaughan to be a empirical science, or science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

I think there's still hope, but I still that we're not even about, that we're going to worry, now. This is good, I want to be good,

hope that's there, but let's be practical, let's be realistic. Politician now will be think of five-taclux the cyclos is six-tlene-tae

panthered bantus ten, after that's the we talk about 20, 25 years. I agree, I totally agree. So, maraton that we think, bettom is, the player is a speed,

this is, up and down, since this year, Paharto, too, okay, but it opens the opportunity for study growth, And in the time Parthal, we have to get in 2008, in 2008, 2008, 98,000, low income to low, middle income. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, how we can't be in income the top of the top of the time? Yeah. Teng, ganty. Yeah. And then I'm going to put it.

I'm notepatting, under the president. Will I sing? You could be president. Yeah, will I sing. Don't know. I will sing. What can I, what can I, uh, so if I survive?

Five years. Five years. Five years. Five years. Which survival strategy means not long long. How does it? How does it?

System to be uphawah to be it's in the nimbunctuant. It's actually a political will of the nation. Okay. Who can reveal political will of the nation partai politic?

Okay. So, just, the only thing that's party politic-la. You create your party with a vision that you want in Malaysia like your vision

of your ideology party. How do you think about this? How do I think about this? How does it think about this? How is it's the idea that? The kind of what is what I've got the Pell-Qaeda I've won't. Which is next two, three, one, two years ago.

So, sinkers, yeah, I like Sutton Chakrilla, Indonesian over Penzingan, what's of Indonesia. So, the first time, yeah, Indonesia Bredega, how's it, what's the other than?

Cahreta, come to the letter, Shahrir. Yeah. Renungan Indonesia. Masha'a. Borsha. Bha'uha.

That, that's what we're, yeah, oh, this, yeah, we're in Indonesia, to where, yeah, B'anungan Indonesia, to where. That is what we need.

We know, we know millennial, millennial, high millennial, what do you want for 2045? Don't get to be in the elite, to be it, no. What is your vision about the United? If you see ideology, it's the majority of the party politic, it's That's not nationalists. There's part of Islam, too, in logic, it's quite to consolidate

them to consolidate their, so, for their for the kind of for the same, but the practice is,

because the partek of and the and the pencettable and different too. Now,

Mr. Emil, will not, and in the long-in-angued, with the more than the more than in our own-publicity of our own for the long-pand-paniard, it's more than can't be this.

If I think, political party our too individual person that's, domination. Okay. Personality politics. Yeah.

PDP is I'm Umba. Nasda is, is, is. So it's personality. It's not in the institution. If you ask, the Ketua Cabang that's in Jakarta or Surabaya, what's, what I mean, you have,

concept of Indonesia 2045, not can't answer, yeah. So, I'm just the same, our party, we don't really party. party, party, personal, entity, oriented, personal-happie.

So, there's a predidicant that, that's serious, that's, why we have a party? There's a part of our party, that. How much?

How do the nationalists, in Islam, how to accommodate the Christian, Catholic, and so much, that questions that we must be able to answer. Yeah. I want that's unique to be in the lastiff from the head of BIPA, we'll discusses.

I want to say to Julie, to say to you'll give you to say how much Pancasilla is by the politics, nationalists, now, this, this, this, this, how much, conceptual,

jangka-pendek, jangka-pennagued, and the ideology has the meaning that. This is correlations with classifications it, is,

the economy class-menegh or economy class-menegas that was that's-man-and-a-bath time, Yaman Paharto,

and then, in the class, is 3rd 3rdas. Is there's about the class atas? Yeah. Is it correlates with in-capacistice, or the kirk-kourgapas our capacity to get to make idealism that

I'm willing. I think, also, with system the system of party political, and so many in the

in part-the- we're in- public, Bebas, I believe, people, the government, the government, president, but the Republic of Indonesia in the Sabang Broke, be it's much, much, so much, so, the election is expensive.

If you are in a calon, and you want to be a calon, but you don't have the money. How, logica you? No, simple just, very simple. Not-u-not-law, yeah. If I want to be a callon, I'm trying sympathisans that can help me,

help, help, the help, and so, that's good deal. It's back quittance. ...segallamaccompancy,

conglomerate, lulus of the undang-undang Minerva and sogain. Okay. So, But in not just there, there's there's a lot of in the economy menhattas

or in the atas'iottes or in the capacity to make upholiates politicians. And, the slackhackhany, the manned to the other, gain with situation like that. So, the, the menangue

perpetuate the kind of this, that's the trahiscan. That's the last. Pamil, in the Pancasila, in the social, for the people of Indonesia. If I see, the ratio gini, in the negara be beckonement, in the country much more to cutas. Indonesia, in 39.

America, in 49. Tjongok, in 47. Yeah. We've never, too, melewati, even in low 30s, now in 39. Yeah. I'm looking, this is the notherungan,

or the kithesanmen, and it's not-andahedgan, this is how much more than this is going to be able to be it. This, ma'amane, ma'ampton. This, ma'am, ma'am, this is. that is the resultant of XIZ, what's chicken and egg? What is that?

What is the majority of the people of our people are Marhaen, petaning, that's, I think, I'm thinking, the, Maraherne and Mellan, the Marehine, the, Marn, Pundigna. I'm about about 15 years, the last time, the money, the money,

that's the money, not the tucar perkebunan, NTP, the amount, the number that he to get to the to the amount of to the life.

So, about 104, 10, 105, that he's out of 100. Perkebunan 140 what does it be?

What does it be? 105, 166, marginal. How can he finance the the other point? The two, brass this,

if the price is import, for stabilization for stabilization. The whole stabilization is brass, focus. But what's been in the market is carbohydrate.

Not brass. There's just there are many much, why, if Pahadhi, if you're a petanee, the rice, the rice that's that can't. If you're carbohydrate, just why do we shoot, do we shoot to the United States?

And it's always, the price of brass mate, import. So how much more than we're serious, how much more than this can make their own, the end up until now, young young, will be, will be lost,

and then the government of the United States, sufficient rise, not carbon, Yadro, there's Sagu, there's sorghum, there and in this, and in relation, the area of gambut. Alamak, how do you know,

how do you know, how can't make them mannam paddy in gambut? Like that's also, can mananem paddy in batu. It's a bit. But it takes high cost. Oh, yeah. High cost, so the cost in the

the cost, more than the more than cost, plus the impact the environment, CO2A, so that's right? So, that's right, that's about that in the current orientation of the development our own, is not pro-po-po-small-man, pro-malah-hung, against small-mell, against poor. That hurts me.

It hurts me too. So that's the question, yeah. Yeah. In other than the question of guinea coefficient, isn't basic, how to look, clear. Yeah.

That's what I'm going to, you know, the time, Emil, during, too, the people, of the repelita, and it's, can, panjang, can, 10-a-tahs, if it's six-year-town. Tentunit's solution is the solution politic,

like Pahenil said. I don't know when there's a a consideratee, to make a system, what, yeah, the plana-upan-a-parence-a-de-pan. But I just can't be here that's going to be in a time in the time I hope it's not too late.

Yeah, can? I'm going to back to of the way of my mind, if you can, if you're rancol empirical science, then, it's been by the environment, and I know you're so passionate about the lingquingunan, 10-tawn-tawn.

Was it by choice or by force? So, this is it, if the linguanguant, I think, What is what is for haughto? Yeah. So I was inundang to Teluk, Jakarta. He also had a couple of motor, that we're in the clinging, that. In the clinging, it was, he brought to the place that,

it's it, and it's, so, it's, and, it's, and, it's, so, so I'm curious, why the hell, cutin? This, what is what? We're back now. We're about it's about in a lot of the way. We're going to be like 2,000. Okay. So, if we're going to,

how much, that's going to be. So, genuinely, why? Because? Because, if you like, if you're going to be able to, we're saying we can, we can't,

don't, to get there, Lammat Lama'u, Tum, it's more than, Lammat, Lama'at, after Sunda, to manceng it. And,

Kotor Kodan, so he's, he hurt, by the Kortor, back to the story that we, then, we're pusti, back.

Because that I'm to make, so I'm going to MENTRIEN. Kahn, Wattuck! When you, Mr.

POMMil, Okay. I'm economic, I don't, damn, I don't know. I don't, damn, I don't know. Economy, ecology, can't room-tangue. This is a room-tangue economy, this is a lot of the pension is the same. Two, I'm not did-diddick, when to be president. So, so, we're just as well-same, we'll learn, you know,

so, well, okay. Jebrat, that was not my choice, to be made for the ministry-linguant. But then, in the job of the Ministry of the Ministry of the World Committee, Grohl-Brunland, the whole Commission on Environment

and Development, which is in a member. That's with jago-jago, jago-jago-jago-wing-un. The whole thing, we know, three-puland-moo.

dialogue with all of the people, that was the period of the what I'm the period of what I'm, looking, look, dialogue with the people in the land, and dialogue with the other than the man that. One of the one is Shabura Okita who has been a jago of the development Japan.

They are honest. So I make a mistake, I'm going to make a I follow the curve in this, this one of the this, this, this, I'm going to go, this, I'll just can't, I'll just can, look, that in the world has changed. Outer, that, silent spring, I'm not even. Lupa,

that's about the potency, you know, but they're only, this time this, he's, they're, the world of that

about that was a little. The point was an education about, a high, three-month discussion with

them, and dialogue in the lapangang to all the world. So, instantly,

I looked, this, this, mind, man, All right, many. Now, out our common future, our lawon future, our support, out of sustainable development.

Wow. But before, in 2008, before he had asked manching by A. Mr. A. E.M.L. No. No. Or, or mow-browl,

about the lingau. 272, as a team acli. I had, I, I'd be made to make delegation to Stockholm. Okay. Tolley. It only came.

So, that's the mainpinkin, that there, Mokhtar, Kusumada, there, much of that, when there's in China, Indonesia and Brazil, because we're having a lot of the other. So, so, people,

people, make, so, not even though in Paguenas. I think about Pagintas, making up in Bungarno. Dara, there's not. Hutan is the only that we can't dole.

So you can imagine, I'd be taken by the huthang this, to make of vizas, and this export visa, and then, people piddotto, pitherto, so much, so much, so I took the floor. I said, please. For me, for me, I'm sorry. And the whole globe, if he's, if they're not,

if he suffered, but it's not eveninging can't say, leapsed from the world, the whole with the world, that. Oh, the whole, trust, that, that. Habes that, the morning, I was the endang by Gandhi.

He's the head of the United. I, Brazil, and he had three of the day of the three he said, we're saying, we're same, the world is, if the linguongan ru-ruousap that suffer most is the poor.

Yes. Yes. I understand. I think of what you mean. That's macro. But if we stick to that road, you will hurt the poor more. They have been a big dimensioning line.

I'm agate, I do. So, that's a part of the world, developing economy mindset. Yeah. Yeah. I'm from a poor country. I know.

But on the environment, yeah. It's for the sake of the poor, we have to fight. They have to make that. That's about it. And it's not just, so that's not just, the environment is not just, the land, pohoun, but it becomes something also to fight for the poor.

Now, then, of the development, it can be done, it can be done, sustainable development. I think of the last, I've been talking about the lingquanguing. And if we've been

seen what, the revolution of industry, 1,8,50-a, that, the world has emmissed carbon of, 1,400 gigatone.

Yeah. Yeah. And, The moretas of 4,000, that's from the other than the other major and Europe, the U.S.S.A.S.C. and, there are Japan, and, some, and, there are also,

in the other, but it's little, but it's little, the contribution. If I'm going to with the academici who know this,

calculations their , or estimations of their, maybe, more than 3,000 to 3,000 gigaton carbon, which is still in the bumsia, yeah. Now, consumption of manusia per-towl,

it's, that's, if, with assumption constant just, we only only only 20-tawn. This is just existential, right? But if I hearin the other young young, like they're not gneh about how long like this kind of,

that's about that's quite finite. Yeah. Now, that's how about your view on the spine? Yeah. This is Endgame. Episode Endgame

berutna. And then the bickian, real, not with making Ibuquer in the Tengh-Tangas Kalmatan. So,

Jawa is beginning. tilting.