Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Prof. Jimly Asshiddiqie: Kemunduran Demokrasi Hanya Sementara

Episode Date: January 5, 2022

Dunia sedang mengalami "regresi demokrasi" dengan bermunculannya pemimpin populis bernada totaliter di tengah masyarakat yang semakin terpolarisasi. Ironisnya, banyak dari mereka justru ditunjuk melalui pemilihan umum yang bebas dan adil. Dalam situasi seperti ini, haruskah kita tetap berpegang pada visi dan definisi awal para pencetus demokrasi atau justru harus ada upaya pembaruan sistem demi melindungi tujuan utama berdemokrasi yang adalah keadilan dalam bermasyarakat? Prof. Dr. Jimly Asshiddiqie, SH adalah pakar hukum tata negara yang pernah menjabat sebagai Ketua Mahkamah Konstitusi Indonesia yang pertama dari tahun 2003 hingga 2008. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #JimlyAsshiddiqie -------------------------- Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/6282133365263 Saksikan versi video episode ini: https://endgame.id/jimly

So, we're in liberalism, reality, passar. So, I like to say two macea, unung, d, norma the top the norma the ternigy, the end of the juke,

realitas the ternigue. This has to beaulch and not we're too pragmatic so, so, so, so, so, so, so, this is, this is NG.

This is NG. Hello, Thank you, my, my friends, today we're to get a professor, Dr. Jim Lee Ashidig, man-tent, Ketua, KATHU-KONSITUY.

Mr. Mr. Yeah, I'm also to get a kormatan, yeah. If you know, Pajun-U-N-W-N-W-PATI-D-W. I'm sorry.

More, more. More, we're going to be about, but, but we're about about about

about the Bapar in Palembang, the day. 17 April, Pa, that's the day that's sacral, because that day

that I, I'm a newcah with my sister's and we have something that, something that'sacral. So, I'm gonna make,

there's gonna have used to make a new to make a jadual that's true, that's been right, that's on, the day,

Pumontan Suhara. I said, this, the time the time, I'm gonna be over, they're gonna be

overobah, now. Then how, from Palembang, then, Bapag, can be part with the other

part of the or maybe the part of the kind of the consultations about about the law, because

I was Balaembang. Gourbis, I'm yeah, yeah, I'm I'm... I'm...

I'm... ...you, That's all right. That's all that. But, but the English they're, oh, do, oh, do, it's a lot more good than I. So, so that I,

I'm at school, I'm not at school, I'm not going to do. I'm going to get and not, not gungur. The day, Senan,

Dattel, slas, I'll just work in Pakistan. Wow. So, so after that, in the Kodotan

Mesir, now just as I was I'm at school, Kulia, Kulia Sore, Anshar, Anor, anna's Sourke. If you're

a lot of a day. If I, I'm a payah and then I'm, I'm going to work in LP3IS,

in LSM. So, I'm active also. As a student in the kielation but active also,

but active in LSM. That, that's my, but, in the Pokota

Suk, I'm nonjol. L. Lange, the assistant, docent. That's the story because

because of the assistant, then, to be the DOSEN. At allhundulah. Al-Dolidla. And then.

And then, how can – BAPA, too, but maybe we're being

with the experience as what, pioneer in the Mahama Constitution and the people in the Mahmahma Constitution, two periods. I want to try to talk that's the topic that's

often this is being about, which is democracy. Okay. How about, from the of the way, back, as far as constitution, hukum, on democracy that's

becoming be becoming. So, so, the first, the idea of the founding leaders we're, we're rumored,

that we're on the system democracy, even not only in the Bidang politic, in the economy, too. Now, democracy, Kata Bungarno, democracy politic, plus democracy economy, same with democracy social. Kere, kind of that. Now, it's derumuskhan,

into the SILA-Kek-Eyatatans that's bimpede-octanan in permushoa and perwakilat. So, the Rhoff, the Rhoff, that, is, the language other from democracy. democracy constitutional, democracy that

the actue, debatres, by the separaten the top of the constitution. Now, just,

the constitution our Indonesia Breda, it's, can be smir. So, so,

the Undan Dasan 45, it's, I know, or I often make perkenalk as

as as a constitution as the world, the world,

so, so, from the word count it, it's, dibunding with the Constitution of America that's claimed by the

people as the sortes, it's not right. Because the word count that, we're just a thousand-a-

they're-one, four-re-redu-an. Even, even, even, and five-reboh. So, the UNang-Ung-Dashor the best-Balling-tabled

is India. We're the three-re-bue. If India? Yeah. If India, it's 450-an passal,

we're the most we're the most the most because it's the most single, the constitutionalities is the dot of the policy

it's all that who's who can't who that's so that reformation we have done we're making

pencpurnan so with four perubhan that's three hundred percent content that's better so that

the same seven eight And as well as now this has been 1099 8, 199

8199 ketentuant artin there 300% but more contenting just namain but 5

because the perumus peruban I'm too kualat right right it's now

we're we're undertegase yeah concept democracy constitutional then it must beimbangue

even in the bentottening the lembaga that's that's the law of constitution so I'm sure can't be able to

form form form form in the endangue the endangue by the government and BPR and then they're being the right

the harking constitution and he's being inta by the people soah adamdulil

but I'm but I'm but I'm Bapa I think about many give you and talk in the Lembaga International

about how much the country that merankul democracy. But if I look at the end up here this, it's been hearing critiquant

critiquant on the bent of democracy and process democratization. How, panang of as far as umum and

in the context in Indonesia, in specific. So, the idea democracy to tumb. Yes.

So, the other than Socrates, like it's the Platus Republic, that

democracy is the in the unanic cunoguno. Even by Socrates in the

dialogue in that is the democracy. So, no, there's no other

people who come to come in practice, Then from practice of practice, it's, too, practice in the world Islam, when the constitution of Medina,

did, and many other than other than practice practice, like in the other than the other barat, then, the stil of democracy, it's for something and,

long-clam-an, become the concept that's the ideal-t. But, the theory democracy can tumbled, so, so,

now, doctrine, principle, theory democracy that's abat last, but not until relevant, now. Misaliki, it's got to be in the same. He's written the law that was 41-tallon, before Revolution Prantis.

So, many that's been a bit more than the time now. Tiber we've seen purubhan, new, this, this, democracy, this, how so it's like like this. So, in the world now,

it's all the world now, make predictions and penilayan, there's regress, regression, democratic regression. The communduran democracy, because it's making with criteria long. So, so,

now this is process of the prusenununan quality in all of all the other and, more with technology more,

this is a cacoy, this concept of Now, then, there's per-bincangen theory-barrue about how how much the democracy, and to bebanking

and to bea-upon to come-can, for the time. To be it back to technology, but, after-a-er-er-in-in-a-er-er-in-a-er-dicare. It's samacken with amplification algorithm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, right?

That, I think, is it, because it's to make the narration, maybe, could not beaacons, narration, and the narasic and kind of with the bencian,

to keep in un-nourous to be amplification. Yeah. And, narasie that's more big, that's more than to be amplification. One, because they

maybe... Diem. Malas gomong, or, and also, algorithm it's not amplification of,

that's been in whatever that's that's been swaracken. Now that's how, bachan to come. I think that's right, yeah. Kira, it's also be alami in all over the country.

Yeah, yeah, there's nother back, because there's a lot of black that, that complex, that, there,

the people of the governor in K.I. That's, that's the people, the power, the bill press, that's two.

That's right, that. That's, that's, that's, that's, but, there's there's there's

we're like this so, so, if it's like, we're too

must be happy-att-y-att-a-att- big data. It's so it's a-d- -d-you-a- he's, so,

then technology uh... um... the more than making idealing centralism and it's it's betit

betotelac back with the idea which is egalitarianism yeah, right? So, uh, making trancam that idi-idimucraisi

that's the idealed from the last last last last although, even, factor, it's regress

that. There's misal germans term. There's many anywhere where

gaugel perpanjohn time job, but there's pergantia. Xi Jinping

Summur life. That, Erdogan is a human life too. Putin?

Summur Id. Hunsen, this is a sumur id, but there's people.

So democratic election is formalism. So democratic formalism that will continue on behalf of democracy, but actually not. Now, the other side is, the room public, full of curvilance,

it's not-coccurred with democracy. It's been retentangue same with idea democracy that must be saling, toormati, tolerancy, saling make-hargay

perbeda. But what's happened It's the other. Yeah, right. Right, right, right. People are more than being

grudely, without takut. And, people more baper because it's tutsu from,

bach, and it, so, so the public, now, this is penhent

but I'm the general episodic. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, before,

the predixing, we're going to make the era information and communication. What's happening?

What's happening is miscommunication and disinformation. Or discumunication and misinformation information. What?

What? It's just information hawak is very. Information factual, but

context not than what the means that is much that's much. It's also

can be rekayasa. For example, state management, that's in China, it's already there. So there's agenda resum from the government to make the news that's, what name,

endocrination public with information that false. That's all the country, in our country, in our, buzzer, baser. So, I think, Gejala, as a matter,

that we have to nipathe just why? Because, because at the we have to think to the logic power and moral power.

That's that will be mannune to the era transitional this, there's there's

like this like this, don't just bapar. That's but, but, this is

social re-engineering. I think yeah. Yeah, right. Now, that's the important public policy, public policy maker, and transformational leadership. So, there is a

there's a lot of talk of people who are to be able to be people to make humikers to be going to go to and then, and then,

to make making transformation. Not to serve and to deal with personal interests. So, it's not to sub-dealing, self-serving, but caring, sharing, and giving to the country, to the nation. This is what we need can. Bapha,

Bapa, also, talk about if context that is a little, that's a bigot, it's still personality centric. Yeah. But if the context is big, that's what is the need to be able to be able to be able to down leadership versus bottom-up leadership.

Yeah, I like to say there two things. One, the buda-kerja. Smacin modern, the way of the work, it's more make-and-kind system. So, we're making the stil of campung,

be it's being there's sing-lid or not. Makin campung, a certain organization, making makele-kind figure. One, the other, if the organization is

that's just enough we're just like we can't even but if organization more, complex, not can't, it's, it's,

so, system leadership that's, that's, that's, So if organization The government, Organizations are

So, if you're If it's still manned It's still, that's the law. So, if we're to make to be per-purn

in the human-the-one This is this, the world-the-four-the-four this, system-building that has been

Utomak Orang-It- and go. System-it-it-it-it- that's-a-jek. Now, now, let's, system building. Tugas to the peoplepimpinpinning is system building.

The second, communicator. The one, the three, rule model. Three of the three of them, not many, many. That's, that. That's more. I'm going to tariff again, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm partying,

den shopping, yeah. I was on 2008, in the pithot of his pithot of him, I'm not wrong, he'll make sure. He'll use, he'll use, kind of democracy,

and, and what I'm 3 3 3. And what I'm taintop from the pidato his, is how Tyeongk, waltop, whalupon,

whether it's socialist, communist, or autocratry, how he was going to make a deprecate democratization idea, democratization

talenta. And that that's what's a catalyst for the reformation, the Hong Kong, to be superpower in a economy, geopolitic, and other,

like, and, like, after 40 years. Now, that, in my own, I, In my, I see, I'm at from ideology, they have to be a greatingan

to democratization talent. Now, this can't be it in the smangued to thelemaghan. Yeah, yeah. Semestinia, democracy has more piaway, right,

for democritization talent. Ibarat he said, yeah, I don't'u-de-le-deh. You're not, you're going to, you, okay, before you be wali-cota,

gubernur, the people of the people, and other. The brain and the other. Theotoky can, it's not as a cognitive, EQ's also to be able to beckon to beaumptuant that's democritization talent,

not even democratization idea. Now, we as the democracy the first number three, India number one, America number two, I'm looking there's symptom or

the cendrungerunerang the deinstitutionalization in the decision. I'm curious, how about your how much? Yeah, with medsauce

that's more disruptive so. So, and, the part of people, just in Twitter,

all people have been doing, yeah, part of this, tweet this, can't,

not, then, when tweet, you're doing comment, pro-contra, there's some make-maki,

there's some of the kind. Now, so we can say, this is tweet private.

So, the room public we is to be made communication or anti-pribadi.

So, not melembaga. Sometimes, information internal that don't so-hars-

-hars- be- un-cab- so-cars in-cob- so-cary- so-per- -re-re-

private. So this gajala, gelombang de-institutional ization politic, paddalenation political, paddalen, and that is the consolidation politic. So, what is

the, the publicaan, the company, and it's the nature, it's, the way, the way, it's, part of the

company, where the institution, where the institution. If we're talking, corruption, it's, that's, basis

social corruption, that's conflict of the conflict of between what? Between private and institutions. Now,

now, now, the jolation is back. The institutionalization politic, this, malhaer, that's, if

my way, that's not there, there's a way, reseng-a- repot, this.

Report, now, so, for media socialization. But, but it has to be being a bit of institutional, not personal. So, so, the conflict of the penitentingan

this, maybe there's certain. So I, from the other that I, I, said with the idea, we've got, the endang of the law-un-un-lars-conflict

ofentingan. Yeah. Many aspects, you, yeah. Yeah. And I, I think it can

can't be able to problems that that's perplexed in the gajala corruption. Many of it. In all the world, yeah,

between politics and business, even, yeah, the gajala conflict of business and politics is the gajal yeah. Now,

the most the most Donald Trump to be president, that's the most, the, why?

Because, un-un-un-un-lars- the American is, It's already since the 80s. And it's good. The people can't

have been business, but have to be called by blind trust management. The people are making politics, silhack. But you,

when you're in the jobat and public, have to diserhackan business, the same, business, but,

when Donald Trump to be president, it's not because the President, be at all the Unung-Dashar, so Donald Trump is enough so much the answer.

That's not for I'm for my. I'm president. Maca conflict of the penitinion. Oh, Marajalela since Donald Trump.

It's the poweruiting to the world, though, but it's, including to be ardux can. Between business and politics,

and political and political with civil society. This is it's, it's, not the conflict the penning,

that's the bestarance. Not even other than on the person private, right this is the

right, people are many cannot be able yeah just need right, need bad, is okay

but more than need bad we're going to we're system building so, that's

I'm sorry too, so I'm being the menry and then have business that,

that's kind of kuyuu people are, and there's from

the need bad yeah right yeah, yeah, it's right. But, yeah, it's not even if it's not

better if it's a conflict of the important. Timbuehurtain, this intuition just from Pernighton BAPA. I also have been in here, Mr. Jimli,

mong on this the kind of business and politics. Apocas, maybe, interpretation or solution is,

for the government, it's more proactive and more than more the more the economy. State economy, like what we can in Singapore,

or in China, or in Russia, to combatacies the kind of between business and politics. Beard the government more more, the more, the more than the

economy. If we're to learn, and, this, Sungu, yeah, the

cita-cita constitutional that's the founding leaders men useun unang-un UNUnd

DASAN-N DASAN-N DASAN about Kesehateraan social, now, it's more

economy national and keseaateraan social. Maka-KIN I like say, the law

UNUKWA is not political constitution like America. Yeah. He's also

The two, passal-pals about the money and the government, yeah, BAP-delap, then about BPK, then on

perbank. Sebut example, the pastel about money, it's also if you're

if you're the story, the pastal about the money that, it's, it's,

the power of the country that, it's, the, And it's not even Inputed in the BUPQI, it's

that's and the pastel it still, not be able to make. The original intent of the text, it's a pernagra

in the system of national. Bessar. We're not can't just larooned on the dynamics

pastar in in-cuit perkemangan. That, that's the idea, the idea the

idea, So, we're in, we're in liberalism, reality, the past. So,

I like to say two macea, unung, d, norma the norma the top of the end of

the end of the world, realitas the same, this is there's been never, don't we

don't we're pragmatic, so, so, so, so, so, the part of,

the world, they're Now, what other, learn from many experiences, the example now.

How much China, that's really problem too China, this is a one. So,

this is a democratic regased in the world, because China success in economy without

no matter democracy. So, what do what do make democracy if people,

if the people can't makemour, that, that's so Alasan to

Addemptive and seductive Menurrecting appreciation to democracy. Makan to democracy. Not that, that's good. So,

China claim dirriness doing democratization. But, in the cacaa

world, he's not democracy. Makaa democracy the three is we can't

we, from the number people. So, so, so, China, it's

not communist But he's system centralism, partai Tungal, that's because he not layer to be called the country democracy, even though he does make make sure democracy micro, that's, just there's a problem, new again, so.

So, to the upon, with the development, digitalization of this, big data will be able to be the penitue to the Maca, potency centralization of the

world, the idea democracy, idea nationalism. This is can, it's not mrs.

this now, China, this, it's, it's more more for the

criteria big data in the future, the power of the control

all the so much, so we we must be aty-at-a-tie with the idea of democracy that we waris if we're if we're using that we're using

from the theory long, wadwe, we're taking-al-kittal. So, so, I'm, I'm, I'm not,

I'm trying to say, that China this is ideal. Nanty-d-d-l. Because, because in-sana, there's no-repehance there's a word.

One-s-o-partai, yeah, democratization so much tundook in the system partai

in the out of the yeah, it's gone it, yeah, yeah, just be

illing he's still diem he's now, so I feel that that's

that's that with human humanusian wow this many,

this there's many, the one, the first maybe make acu

to the bap that before, to be with UUD, or the end of the end of the end of the money.

This if we're really serious to redepans social, for all the people of Indonesia. In era, which we look

the senjavan, is more mencuat. Is, because digitalization that's more who's making, um,

the percapable, and I'mbelah chastraan, or is because policy, because

the people, and the mancha and the but I see, China, it's ratio

the ratio money beredar to be the BDB it, and it's much than

100%. America America Sericat Jove to be a percent, ratio

the In Indonesia, the ratio of the Uang Redar to have PDBs in the above 50%. Oh, that? Rendha, rendah, renderskally.

So, I'm looking if we're really, really serious to make a dead social for all the people Indonesia, yeah, that's,

you have to access to full-us. But if you're being there-bats in-cir-out-scent-ser-sul-man. So, it's just to be bank, in where, in pundi, Pundi. Maybe not only in the institution

Tertentu, but, but, it's just, therebathas. Okay. Yeah, right? Now, this, we have to takeacted, and the sumla of money breader. I'm not going to depotankan ideology in this.

Amn't that ideology monetary, or ideology whatever. But I'm looking, we have to see, we can't get any how we want to make make sure we musticant social,

so that's a lot of access to to the money or full-us. Now, to make up to ender that we have to come from out or we needem.

That, if, if I see, the penanmen model asing, but not with proportion or scale or or a new level of the capacity that

I think I'm going to to make sure the importance of to make make sense the judicial. And, in piracy, it's, it's, this is more than getting to get,

39, the end of the end. How about it, how about? Yeah, I think that's really, that, uh,

the other, more, it's, about, It's not too. The people are ribut, this is about the people who are the onesahsame, the other, the one of the one,

that's the one that's the one that's the people who are we're just to be one. You know, I mean, don't ribud, don't, be able to one, yeah, right. Yeah, right.

Yeah, and the people, but the fact that in the people, that's the people, that's the light of the That's the last one that's the most the most

menentucan. So, the end of all of the is the is the adelean social. Now,

democracy sometimes can't get the room beabas, but liberty has effect

the effect samping. First, can make the conflict in the need to support,

one, liberty, need fraternity. But there's the one the three, egality, the equality, that's in America prosperity.

Now that's if we're that we're making that we're making so that can make result can

can result because that's the best the best people, it's who's stratification in atas,

it's the most many people who are manymati the beaversan. All menimati but more more than more than

the other. So, then the samegapes more than a more than more, more, more,

the conflict, more than there's, leadership, they're need to putluck. One-as-a- one-one-

the most the function leadership is for the to be the kind of, that's the whole, merukun-khan, menjave, you know,

to build a stateheran human, then one one of the may this, this, yeah, right, seven gulongan

people who not be jamin dapetet from Allah, at the time there's there's not there's any

there's over the people, the gulongan one the one the one people, the people, adil, that's the

that's the one that's the other one number two, number three, to number two. So, in life this, the people of the people and the people are and amel-addil and make-addil-kind

structure of the most important. If he didn't adder, if the adilance not-em-bigh, it means he didn't adder.

He only, yeah, there's position, but it's not be-per-in- to build-the-cadilance. So, I agree-so-re-re-re-re-old. All the other people have we have to

to build the adilance social, right, so, it's just it's, it's, it's, the people who

people who are the end up, the range of that's, that's, in the time order that,

it's a rations, in the time order long, the, the rarckes but, as soon

reformation, the The jarraqn's rippoan between the people of the people, the company who's in the

BWMN, who got 1M-1-1-tik-home P and that's legal, but that's just a million. That's a lot, that's rations-a-tutu. So, this is halal,

legal, then, something that's legal and halal not t'bue and not of of that's not so, so it's not same between

and, you know, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask with my friends pened-hugue you're, meneguant,

text, or menagakkaed the roh of the of the law, that's not not, it's not every day we

we can't but just tax. So, so, so, sarjana, the adela.

So, so, so much. So, so on the problem we're serious in social. I agree with data data, that the

case is one one of the one of the that we're not a that's this. This is

two partan about the people the of the more significant

. There is a stilis to sit at this trap. This is from a general in Athena that's... ...amonaguer... ...there's power that rising, and there power that declining, it's...

...theirbelengue, they're... ...that in trap that, ...that much more than, ...not they're both just. America, can be able to be on a decline, on a decline, Tionk, on a rise. Panang of Bapa, how about?

I think, I think the picture of this trap, that, that's by Graham Ellison, that's, it's, it's important, it's, so it's been, it's, and I think,

we can't get to be it, it, alamia, yeah, sunatulah, so. So, so. So, so. with the real of the uncied of the

power of many, philosophers, and so again, so so it's, more than trap, I think this is syndrome. Syndrome,

everyone, all people, all the gulongan, some people who can be able to see the seeing the main, not

seep. So, it has been put, need, it's, so, just what's

the problem now this, there, nuclear. If if the war two, can't

three bombs one for to do you try, two, the one just got to back and

just three. So, the Japanese not want to get but he abutu and sure.

Now, but if now this now this now, it's already have hululul nuclear

rutsu-an. So, so, it's like what the next? So,

I think, we must So how, how, you know, to think the power this must be in

there are a agenda denuclearization the world. Because it's bad for human rights. But,

but it's, it's about that. So, I'm still now, I'm still see the

case of the world three this, I'm afraid of fear. If we

ask, if we're about, if it's But, but it's like it's it's just. It's.

Yeah. Cobra, it's one time, all the shipable in the sea

south and the biahiae than one year more. Also, the war should be in the perbatas

India and China. Russia has been ribut again with Crimea and and sogain

sogain if I'm might be to be. So, if it's not, yeah,

right, yeah, that's the war dingin'en long as now. So,

that's until the middle of 20, we've been in 100 years,

Indonesia, and we're so. So, if we're not a 20, 25 years,

or 20 time to get to this, 28 time, to the people to the front, we're not having

a little bit and orientations to the country, we can't we can't say,

so we can manage everyone who are people who stand megang amannat

to help, please, with jangkawan that even don't

be able on soal soal pragmatism sectoral just for rebuting,

That's what, that's what we're that we're really, I'm sure, I'm in a couple of years technology

to be evolution and innovation, be innovation, the speed and accelerations and the speed, but the

of derivative one and two to expose manusia with margin of error that's more and manifest error that is the war that is the Second.

And to the technology will continue to be innovation with the speed and acceleration of the speedan and the increase, the margin of error. So, this is more the error. So this is our job to get in the front

to mitigate the risk that not be in in in the Yeah. Yeah, we're from about 20. The World War I, Great Depression, in the 30-a, this is a potency greater depression. And then, in 40s, the world two.

But, in the middle of the 20th of age 20, it's there's charted in the history. Perubhanes of economy, political, the world, bribes, didirical, and, many, much, the country, Asia, Africa, and underdeka. So, we have to be able to make the problem of the

tax economy, political and the culturean global again, between 21, this. Now, apaca to be

a power or just perang cold, but more than the last, it's probably make uselkan perubhanes

so. So, so, the generation massac in, ourapan we're really betul,

um, give a catatant, anticipative on the change that will be it. Muldawakit. I'm going to be able to God,

Inshallah. Now, this, the question here, yeah, yeah. There's two two cabang. The first, Bapakapar,

many say, that's really to find the kids of people who to be able to do in process politic. Yeah, right?

Now, this, if we can't to the cabang two of the question I'm, how much how, you know, so that the kids that can't that can be in process political

to monsong the of our that's right to move to 4, how? How, I think, can plus minus

too, yeah. So, if it's surpe, Now, now I've been yet, I've been just the number of when I'm going to into into the world

country. Now that's that's the future making a little. Now, so if they're asking business. Yeah, so you

just, you're just just up. Yeah, start-up all, because, because the start-up, all, we're going to

start-up. Because, it's, you're, Dapot Pekyllis, Couped, like Bill Gates. All can't mirror, so, so,

so, in one side, the end of the way in the way. Because because a, this, can,

just 5,000 people who are doing the country. PN.S. can just four jute. Pejabot, like I, like,

I, like, we've been being a minister. That's, the most, the power honorer is 1,000. So,

the bankrupt, not got, the money, just 5,000 people, if the country is bankrupt. But,

but the people can't be 170, million, now it's from the economic, economic,

that's from the community, that's right, and now, now, now, the person, business,

is entrepreneur, and there can't be different so. And, Our education our citadourn't much-citain,

make-hastil can tenaguer-ter-a-trapin. Can-mulia-so- Even, Mentry Nasir, more than new sergana S-1

has been-lenskaping with SKPI. Surat Ketranan Indi-Gazah, I mean, has training professional. Maksut-N-Mach-N-Mptu-N-N-T. C-A-Mulia-Mulian.

C-MU-MU-MU-N-MU-N-MU-N-MU-N-MU-N-MU-S-P, can't. Why not the people? The president. Why? Why not the people of the people?

But what is the chita-cita-pendication national, we're making people. This is a reformation too. So,

so, the people of business is still so much. So I raise from one-segee, this is, but in the

other-segy, it's right, uh, if we're, if we're, that's not that who, who,

who, people who people have people we're because because

public policy that that's what what what that that

um, um, so, so, so if public policy maker the people,

people, Like what's now. So I think I must have we made it. Sambil, mengotkin'an who should doodoo in position politic. Mbuk, be learning, to be thinking of the long. Yeah, can't?

While medidic caddre, uh, not only business-pranorship, social-pranorship, also political-pranorship, so. So, it's just as PNS and people are ample.

And then, the end-o-o-jung-y into-cuh-jointed to do make-a-old, to get-a-i-germans as to be a-usah. So,

I think, the policy from the time, maybe it's minding give-mash-a-magang. Massis-sab-s, so many-nation,

but, there's-hormat from-t from-tK-I, ap-l-l-l-l-k-W. So, I think, many-l-you-be-nah.

I'm optimistic, is the generation millennial now, yeah, can be part of where you make a business,

where can't make up policy. 2045, how, what, the, what,

the, the time, this, this, this is, the last, transition,

yeah, so, so, uh, yeah, this is a big of the political,

if you're, if it's just as two 2005, uh, 2022 5, 2020, that's

it's that's if we can't. So, we're not we're we're also

system politic, system partaian. Don't be oligarchy, don't be a dynasty.

That's right? Yeah. So, so, maybe, yeah, that will be president

that I'm know who, there's there, there generation peran- parah.

Don't just Mooda So, a bit from the current, just not what all,

so so yeah regeneration it's not, not melanchat. So,

so the and the security is that's dangerous if it

is a dangerous, and the people that more more

more more than politics we're getting gerontologization Mackin Tua.

Now, Now, what other than partain is, by people, and he's all the long-um-mure. Now, he's who will still men-tucat. Sedang-can, the people are

young, who are controlled by the people who are dangerous, can be a badgered. So, he didn't have independency as as a pimpin.

Now, I'm under-mudan, period of the period the last, period five-town-year, to, 2045, Pertangah of 21,

where the perubhan in the world. Amin, moda, muddhaan. Wow, great. Thank you. Thank you,

my friends, that's the professor Dr. Jim Leashid. Thank you. Thank you. This is Endgame. and game.