Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Profesi Dokter Bukan Sekadar Prestise | #Endgame ft. Nadhira Afifa (Part 1)

Episode Date: September 23, 2020

Pendidikan menjadi tenaga kesehatan masih dipengaruhi oleh gengsi. Namun bagi Nadhira Afifa, menjadi dokter adalah pekerjaan mulia yang melibatkan interaksi dan empati. Suara-suara ragu dari dalam diri  justru jadi modal kegigihan Nadhira untuk terus berjalan. Berpartisipasi dalam lomba dan konferensi internasional mampu mengantar Nadhira pada mimpinya untuk melanjutkan studinya di Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, AS.

You can't do with interaction with technology? I'm interacting, sir. Okay. Because, I mean I'm not the one of the first of the doctor that can't be ganteen, we're from interacting with patients, empathy, from making what you're saying about you. If all depends on technology, we can't be able to be AI just.

This is end game. Hi, my. Today we're today today today one of one of the people who's really thank you very much in school in the way of course, and a great time that's a little bit of a pedato in the school to the school.

Nadira, we'll go bro, you. Hello, Pagita. It's a pleasure and it's an honor. It's a good time to come to Nadira. I want to try to ask Nadira Nadira, I'm going to make flute. Right, ma'am. Yeah, can't?

Yeah, man, you're in 19th, 2009, right? So you are 25 years old. Now, can't be tellin, growing up in Jakarta,

that's how, and what's what you're that's a great so great about growing up, interesting, sir. So I was actually, in Bekasi,

the back in Bekasi. So, it's from the Kekhii, from Kekase, D, D.C., SED, D.E., S.M.N. And, I'm notherut I highlight from my small I grew up is, from the didican of the people,

so. Mama, Papa? Both, but more to Mama, or the mother or tiger mom? Tiger mom. Or? Tiger mom? Yes.

So, it's really, many things that's been from my mom from, and it's been in the bottom of the badasadar, so I keep in it always I'mapeen. What principles, principles that's been

my mom. My mom, I always said, I tell you in my pattoe that I have to think big, because no, there's not any that's about because of the other I'm always said that's always

I'm like, from the little, I'm always thought to try, like, like, maybe gaya might not yeah, might not yeah, know, maybe, maybe not ya, maybe just, if you're just,

if you're not getting, yeah, it's all-and, then if you're going to get on, that's just, I'm going up, I'm getting much

learn up, not just from from my, but from my, I'm like, like, I'm not like I'm two, Kaka two, like one, one, the first, the other, the other,

the other, like, they're who's who's always who's they're going to be able to country, and I'm going to go to keep in the land their, or maybe more, so.

So, many of, I, all that I'm basically, yontoh, from what I'ma-abanked and from my, and from them and from their

too? Right, really. Okay. More than more than what you've been better that you've learned? Both, sir, sir. If from them, I'm more than more

success in their that I've learned, how I can achieve at least of their, and, better, if it's more, and, and, my mom, too, make, like,

environment in the community in the our people, that's about, in a good way. So if you can't like Iira, I can't be like this. Wow. I do you know, but in a good way. So, no, there's been there's been a thing. So, so we're aiming for hire, hire,

not just to keep in what's been just. Okay. Only the about the academic, or in non-academist, extra curricular activities or what, He's sure to do with, do you know, ma'amah, sure, also?

Mama, too, that's also, that's from me, long-lige, I'm like, like, I'm like, outlier in the club, so. So, so, not, not? No, my,

my, my, my, so I'm not. So I'm growing up, even from, maybe, can be able to be pass-past-an, yeah,

so if for school, but for, something like a terseer like, like like music or sport, it's soly, like, if, if not, not just like that, not just like that, like that's like that. But, but I'm, I'm, when I, I'm starting,

oh, I can't design, can be able to learn from YouTube, or buy a book, and I'll buy in to-book, and I'll be practicing in the room. Okay. But, but, can, more than economy, economy is also more than I'm starting to play music, playing flu.

Okay. What's what you're doing? What's the time? Mathematica. Oh, yeah? Mathematica, really? Biology, justro, I don't like but end up to be doctor.

Aged-a-olde. I'm not so I'm not so much. Because I'm hafal, so I'm not so. Okay. The part of mathematics, what you do you like? the other mathematics, specific in the babm. What? What different equations, linear algebra, calculus, or what?

I actually, I like, in math, but I more like, like, in math, I can't run-and-and-and-a-rumpurred my instead of just in the other in the book. And, like, if, in school, in school, I'm like, like, like, like, like, gurus, he's got a question,

Lipa, and we're quick, and I'm like, and I'm like, I'm blessed-a-like, because I never never know-hawal-in, so on, I can't do you, and, and, and, and, quickly, like, that.

SMP, where? D'S.m. D'U. Okay. So, yeah. So, yeah. In B. So, the U.S.D.

also in Bucas. Yes, D.D. also in Bekasi. Okay. So, so. So the process of the U.I, how to the process? For the U.I, that was I'm going to do with my from my kakakak who, kind of my kakku,

I'm taking the machine, and then, from the family, I'm always, I'm going to be doctor, so there's part of the from the... From the family, who's, mom? Right, and even, even, the other, my, because no, in the other than the doctor

Like the doctor, basically like the profession that's Right. And I always encourage to go to go to. Awoling, but I'm not even I'm not even, but it's also from guru-gourer. I'm more of the patient's there, from a skill, maybe, maybe, mampo for in there.

And I'm trying, like, 10-bosar, maybe, the Kodotteran in Indonesia, what I'm going to end up apply to FKUI. Okay. And when in SMP or SMA, to do with what, yeah, the kind of to pursue the doctorate, there's,

not there, since the time of the other people or people, or the other? If I, I, from the little, I'd be an architect, so, so, so, I'm from a little, I, from the little,

I, there, there's a major-gambar-a-gambar that, when, when, was, like, up-sop-a-sop-sop-sop-sop-sop-sop-sop-ed, just like to make me just like mathematics. So I think like, architect, this, I'm just like I'm from the same even

from, it's just, and it's been like to be a doctorate too, and it's, long, there's kind of, there's kind of, back. Puttutusance. Yeah, like I have applied, what, in form, and I'm just, I'm going to-enen-en-o-tue

so I apply to U.S. K.U.I. Do you still? Is there? No, I'm still. So, I'm like, I'm like, like, I'm going to ask, like, design in Photoshop,

or like in Adopt Illustrator. But I'm still, but I'm not justle to take doctor, because, I'm not sure my passion my doctor, too, that's really, so, and then. Now, then,

do you, there, that's special or what, that's about, that's about, that's about Busri Muliani, so, he said, "'You know, don't even be arrogant, "'because, it's more arrogant,

"'because, it's more than I'm getting tumpul. "'Now, that's what I, "'that I, I, I, I, "'that I always, I'm always, "'oh, I'm lus-mullus-buck-up, "'n't-ex-scan-secur-in-scarang-a-oh-oh-oh-a-hap-hout-a-hap-hapat-a-hapat-a---hapat-a--and, And, and, can't-sadarragan, like, I'm not too much more than to learn, not too,

not too maratine guru, and when in FQU, that, I'm, there were a few classes that I failed. So I'm under, co-assinged, and then, whizudaned her too late, planticking doctor-telat. And that, really, the same thing, even, it's justro, like,

make meinder, like I value my own better than what usually, like, I'm just about, like, now, it's just 5, so... Wow. Now, malu with them, people. Because, I mean, I'm always, like, I'm just as a mules, mous,

just as just as, and, and, and, then, it's just as, so, it's just as, it's, and that's malo, really. And, that's... But, but, because, gagged, it's, long-ke-al-a-l-l-a-l-a-a-a-a-. I... I'm like, I can't see that I'm going to look,

if I'm going to be a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit, and, I'm doing it's justro I'm more than I'm going to get a lot more. I'm going to look at value I'm, I'm going to look at value of my, for my own and to beaithing of my own. Is it from? That's from it? Or there's ecosystem in the the other than what's about it, to help you.

From back to help. From, from, actually, there's not too other ecosystem other than help out of course. More than, like, I'm talking about, like, I said, like, I'm sure.

And, I just, really, so, just, like, come to come back, lomba, in the world country. And that, without sadder,

also, to, for, after, after, after, after, to, Harvard, like, to, out of, out of the U.

U.S. When at U. U. So I was in France, to Japan, co-ass in Japan, in Belangia. In the same look, that's it, right? Yeah, in design look.

How about what I've got to, you know? Yeah, in Seine-Luck, and then at Erasmus, too, and where are you more? Or two-two-sac-so-cook-sang-man-enaric? Or, what's more?

I'm better. If I'm in Japan, maybe profile the profile is more same, because people are profilings with asia. But, I'm very much more depends on technology instead of knowledge from doctor's. We always encourage for 80% diagnosis is from history taking, from a person, but in there, so la-a-a-lap, from... From... ...the French. ...the Japanese?

Oh, in Japan. So from the city scan, from the lab, not too depends on the knowledge of the doctor's if in the Belanda, justro, same like in Indonesia. So they're more jago to gobro, and I'm getting more than than much to learn also when in Belanda.

That's a kind of philosophy process of learning? Right. Yeah, right? Yeah, right. You know, better with interaction, or more with the technology? I'm interacting, sir.

I'm not for the other one of the doctor that can't be in the machine, we're from interaction with patients, empathy, from getting what you're talking about, if it depends on technology, we can't get AI just at the end. Okay, wow, that's interesting, so.

But it's, if it's maybe it's also with the culture Asia, because Asia, we're more in more than interact with, but it's a bit of a paradox, If they're in Japan, they're also in the other, but they're more to more than technology. Observation of you, how do you know,

the opinion of your opinion? Meworthy, I think, if I'mer, I'm more than the financiality, so, the patient in there, no, there, no, there, to check all the same, that, that's bigiae. Insurance, they're so much cover, that,

so. So, so, really, Because if we're going to get a lot, with technology, with lab, with the lab, the other than the disease is to detect. Now, if in Belanda, it's really insurances are a bit of the doctors, not technology,

same as we're in Indonesia, not can't try it with lab. Okay. Now, when study at U.I, there's been in Indonesia, too, that's what, um,

that's, that's going to be on the U.I, I'm many of the docent of my, docen my, docen my, docent my, docent my doctor in alamaterk. Because I don't know, in alma mater, because I don't know, in alma mater, they can't give me part of their

for what, to make up to be, and what for them to sustain, the life, and to try money, so. So, so, they're, in R.C.M., practically, yeah, sir, Inchipta maungu-sumo, they're really dedicating themselves just to make up to-o-as-coas, like, to build upas-coas,

and myas-sysuas like I, when time that time, but there's a week-end, they're trying practice in other, room-sacit-suasta, that's in the middle-upper, and the reason is to find out for them to live. So, they're posseeing is just,

and, actually, the doctor, so, so that's not really, so that's so, so the portion of the yeah, yeah, that's like, in America's the United, the people, the American-Serickat, it's like that,

it's, the, it's, too, and I'm kind of kind of, I'm a bit more because prestige,

but, not the, of the other, or to be a doctor. Now, the panang of Nadira, how many how long like that? For the people, it's a profession for just plastic, so, because for the other people or people who encourage the other to be a doctor.

They're, really, they're, it's a profession that's very prestige, like. I also look, it's more in the buddaya Asia, because of the people who are people who are Chinese, then India, who's the most often I've methammed. For the U.S. and all the way of course, it's not too much more than profusely being to be patokan.

And that's one of the other than the medics is different. If, if, in the country be able to comeang, like we, we're in India, doctor it's the pondang the highest, the law, the other than the other, while in the doctor, to be a nurse, it's the same, the restis is the same. Right, right.

If you're in a lot I'm going to take, statistics on the number of the time of the 1,000 people in Indonesia, the place of the room-sacit that's very suboptimal, yeah, right,

the above 2 per 1, 1,000, over 1,000 people, that's far below metrics OECD, right? Right. Now, you're just, you know, you know, right? That's the next to the

Indonesia, the kinkapen. So, if, I'm not know, if the number of hospital bed, but if doctor, it's still one-binding 1,500.

So, so it's just far from what it's that's the one-bending 300, so, more than five-laparting, like that's. In fact, I think,

I'm not really, that's also, one-bony six-five-hast-tas, still congested in Jakarta or in Jawa-Barad. So, not marat. Distribusiness, not-hra-mmas. Distribusiness, not-mer-a-mrata. Now, in-dur-cuh, for the future-law-reirae, it must beanging as high-muching as,

for the profession, or engineer, and, by the end up in the area each of each other, so in the way of their, so in the area of each, quality of the same. For now, in Indonesia, it's still in a internship for, for doctor, so, so,

so after lullus from the doctoran, it's a year, wadip in the area. When I, I was picked in Lombok. Yeah. Why? In the Lombok. Because the Because of the

Because of the Because of the I'm going to passionate about about Stunting, sir. So, so on the Kessancta. So,

actually, for the number one stunting is in Flores, in DTT. But, But, but it's. But it's,

but it's been meningan, it's, down in 5 years. That's, from 37 to 30-10-1. Yeah. Now, now the last, 27.7, if not even better.

Even better, see. Cuma, but it's still from what we're target-in, at least, has to be around 20%. Yeah. Now, how long later, can't be it down 20%? Ah, it should be before 2013, before bonus demography, the first.

But, if for progress in the current, is long. That's not, back. And, for the other people are skeptical, because, we're actually, we're doing maximum for progress as much. So, so, I'm still being in mind. Capitiguan.

Yeah, at us. Yeah, in our past, we, India, Pakistan. But if, if, if, if, is, is one thing that's that's really can do you in lifetime we? in the lifetime.

In lifetime, it's just that it's, but it's just because, you know, that's more than the way of stunting that, or not. Because, it's not the middle lower

that stuntings, but, just the middle upper, is the proportion of really same, and, and, it's kind of

getting getting more identical to people who can't and notarysy. But in Indonesia, the people who are upstanting, without we can't knowy? That's more because of not-macken? Or, or not even?

So, more complex, because for the upper-class, stinting, it developed from from we're still in jannin, until we're at 2 years and if upper-class, maybe to the miscarlachan,

yeah. The people, in carbohydrates. So, so that's not even the micronutrient is depended, like, iron, zinc, and and things. And that's the way that's

the other who justro, because they're not not get the portion it's like what. That, that's, if, how can't make change the diet

people of the West in Indonesia for, like the problem stunting, to down to the bottom of 20%, ideal, and because I can correlate it to productivity, right? Yeah, can, if we're malnutrition since the small, the year 5 years to below,

it's, then, the end uproof our productivity our can very good, right? Now, that, how that, because that can be correlated to the senjagan. Beto, complex really, to do. To make the quality of the way,

The first is, I'm juster, I'm not because I'm going to eat because I want to make a consumer and I don't know how I'm know how I'm not that I'm not sure it's not that it's not even but we're trying balance to the seambanka

between carbot and non-carbo. Protein this also also is it's much, sir, actually for the for the most important the people know, in a way of how much like what's the

thing that's the same for the people who are in the more than two years. Porsiness has to know. Then, after that, it's the problem is, if it's less affordable than than the non-healthy diet. Like for,

what, yeah, a minute I'mpe the same word. Minimumannes for soda. And for dairy, it's all more thaninging if we buy it that carbonated, the other than the more healthy, juice, all that's.

So, that's what's the people who's the most how can make this is more affordable, healthy diet, for people's. Okay, but socialization is how, socialization is a lot. If, from, from the, actually, there's been from the GEMONMAS, so, the GERACAN,

they've made modules, make in like billboard, and penululhuushed, maus, about how much, how much the policy that's right, like that. But, again, I think, I think, the part of the doctor, lagging, we know there's a book KIA,

if I've ever been told, that's, it's been up to be people, but, at the end, because doctor, when the time, with a patient, not ever, really, be joltsin, but all, all, from there's it, for the management stunting, that. If you're doing,

for the powering technology, That's like that. That's also good. Yeah, right. So, if it's about, it's about it, yeah, that's how to be manpowering. So, it's really, from the Iq.

Indonesia, there's apps, name's primacupa, and this is helpful very so they make apps that can mantow the jatual vaccine anack, and can give

body, big body, we plot in the curva in the curva WHO, right, the child, or stinting, or what,

and it's, The actualization is that's actually, because of technology, actually, it's already there's apps, but it's not being being more people. Okay. Okay, we've got to go about stunting. One other that I've tried to learn is diabetes. Yeah.

Right, in this, there's maybe 370 to 400,000 to people who are who are diabetes, but the high-risk, that's maybe 200-3-gutta again. Now, in Indonesia, the proportion is also not not small. Right. Maybe because of the other than what, or what's about,

now, it's not, that's, if it's really with, about about diet and stuff, and so,

the other, because that's can, you can be able to some of the other other again. Yeah.

So, it's very, can't be prevent, but, So if we get diabetes, just can't be controlled. Not going to be able to be used. So the other, the other than isaughan that's the preventive's the first.

And that's the portion of the least in the facilitation of any other than any other. We know there preventive, there curative, there's curative, there's curative, if people've got to be abatin. Rehabilitative, if they're not just to help again, so that's more than the rehabilitation is. It's always heavy portion in two things.

Sementara, in preventive this, from the data not from the from the benefits to do it, to make it too, for the Pentegahannaghanes, back to back to healthy diet that's that you're taking Rumsatangue,

RUMAT, education, in school, in communities. The problem is same, again, again, because the morehurt is justro the non-healthy, who's healthy, like a lothish-mage, like too-mahal. Okay, you are optimistic, diabetes is it being to ratatashi in a young-menegh?

I'm... In 10-10-year-old, as in, as in, as in, it's, the presentation is it is about. Because, I'm actually, I guess, the Aya's, and I was just percée that this lifestyle, this is a lifestyle. This is a guy of life.

If type of two, if one, is it's alls. Yeah, right? Just how to how it's the insulin just, how it's how to be able to beaugh the life. And I'm a bit more than preventive, but curative too, right? Yeah. Yeah, right?

Yeah. If... Socialization, what... What, what, ...thealajaran and education, this, really, really optimal, that. If, in 50-year, for the presentatinsicant, but can't significant, but

usascah much more significant than now. What's the game changing, in front you're the minister of health? Oh, that's very much. What would you do? What would you do? What I do? So, if in India, they're there's a name is Asia, so, Asia, this is a cadre-cadder, for,

for the up to door, give us, and make sure of all the other much. If I'm actually my opinion to the Menterkestrian, I think benerer down the underdair our care our people, because this is for usurposed, but, but, saying, yeah,

if you're, basically, force, worker's a bit more, but for recant, it's a little, so, it's a bit, so, so it's, it's a key-I-lac, for the right for the right. So if I'm the Minister of the Healthan, I just, with Asha'a'a their, I'm with GIFLAQa.

Yeah, I'm with cadres. There's how about, that, cadres in India? In Indonesia. Yeah, if for 500, the bopatans, kitha, kitha, I can't say,

but for RT, usually, they have had 4, 10,000, so it's not, so. So, but it's a lot of

heavy in the way of the baby-habilita. So if you're going to be able to be able to dis- like hypertension, diabetes, even in India, there's been a big jacquietal, where, if it's in where, in private or public hospital, it's in tangoonged. So it's pretty much universal healthcare. But it's to make make...

what's complication that can't in the process of the life, that's, well, it's quite, you know, so you're getting up, so you're looking at the T or at a curran it, it's be able to be able to be able to be able to, the degree, this.

It's really, because the discussion is always If it's too hard, how much encourage the power of the cadre. But that's not too I've got to I've gotticated, what's the quality or qualifications what is it to be a good at aft?

This is a plug-in-play, or a bit, a bit, to make caderisasi, a one cader. For the cader, if in Indonesia, actually,

no, so, no, Because of the more than the person is more than the person is being people who's, but but, but the same time, carder was, during, past, Huarto, Warko Harko, ma. So, now, that, the cader, the process caderissasiness,

not ever had certifications that formal. So, so from the other cader, so that's always that's what it's all that did-luckoo-and, and not there's reneau-knowed, not as much, maybe in medical it's always bear-rubahed, and it's not ever

there. So, just to manage with better just, you know, the Bue, Ibu, Kandar, this.

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