Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Retno Marsudi: Indonesia Jembatan Perbedaan

Episode Date: January 19, 2022

Menteri Luar Negeri RI Retno Marsudi ingin mematahkan anggapan bahwa topik diplomasi terasa jauh dari kehidupan masyarakat sehari-hari. Dari diplomasi vaksin yang berhasil menjamin proteksi bagi ratusan juta nyawa, hingga keketuaan G20 Indonesia 2022 yang diharapkan dapat mengembalikan tidak hanya semangat multilateralisme tapi juga nafkah jutaan keluarga pasca pandemi. Semuanya baru akan tercapai jika apa yang kita serukan ke luar, juga kita amalkan di dalam. Tonton versi video dari episode ini: www.endgame.id/menlu   Pre-Order merchandise resmi Endgame: https://wa.me/6282133365263

Sometimes we all have that actually have there's one asset that we're not not, not, not, how much the country

world, that's what? Trust. To percayaan to Indonesia, to diplomacy Indonesia, because,

because in where we're trying to to all of the other This is an endgame. Hello, my,

this is the G. Retno Marsudi, Mentiary Luan-Negri, Republic Indonesia. B'a Redno, thank you, atas,

on the adairn'is in this thank you again, with us, he'sat, yeah, yeah.

If, we're going to get to get a back, yeah, Mbaccharita, from from 2nd, November. Talenia, not so yeah.

Oh, it's not. In Smarang, bula, with our time our one other. Yeah. Then, to come-and-tibba-tube be it's about about the other-negrie,

how, that, the story of it? So, if you'd like, to be it, I've never to bea-bayang, that I can't come to this. I'm, I'm from a family that's very, very,

very, very, not there's that's really that's really that's I'm not, I'm feeling how much

life's-usah. If you're it's back, it's a bit of some of dot that can't be making so

I can't be at the titic this, first, the UGM, yeah, because the UGM

that's coming to the national. Then, the second, CAMLU, at that,

puttoolan, that's a program new, which is recruitment in a lot of different, in different universities,

and then end uphouser and then get, and I'm also one of one that's one that's one,

so, but it's by the KMLU. Wow. DiIJon. In MASSO. Then, KEMLU,

it's, has to beacu the system recruitment Okay, okay. From the start of all, at the time we all before we've known reformation,

KEMLU has been at a system. So, bett-betul, people who are as maximum to be surring as with merit-ness. So, that is that is like I, nobody,

not-pun-a-p-a-pah and not-punate-sci-a-cuh, can't get to KEM-LU. And with system merit-system that that I'm good, I'm I'maulah,

can be director that that was still very much. Uh, 38-tawn, when that was, oh, director, oh, 38-tall- D.

And then, and I'm not due Duta-Besar. For career, yeah, if, if you can be more more

more than more more than with P. People, people, I think, mm, and,

So then, so, DIRGEN in the age of a lot of and then al-hmudelilah

if people are in the past the person, to be sure to becky the country and then the women,

the first, the point, that, again, this only just, it's just, that,

if we're we've got the system merit that good, all we take up as a

transparent, then, and, people, people like my life that coming from the family that there's a part of the

that can't marry the mimpinia. Intinia, and I have been janeed in KVU is to make sure. Sala one dot-notes that I want to ask as a woman that, how do?

That's, is, or? Banyl. Bany. So, so. So, so. So, when I, when I was at the same time,

um, people, uh, people might, that in the, majority of the majority of the other like-lake-lake.

Now, because it, um, this, we can, what, now, name,

uh, so, I was, I'm, I'm, long-b-d-a- time, yeah,

so, so, so, Calon's my husband's ague, not ragged, not ragged, because to know, the life of diplomat and so many. So, after then, he's been pangue by my book my. I mean, she said, that she's going to beckoning, begin. Gassilh, castileh, let's a time.

And then, after you're not going to beacarcah, so much, so. So, so much, like, democratic. So, so. So, so, the calum of my time, so, okay, not-pap, to Camp Blue. Now, at that, we still think that, we're really, not

this? This is a new guy, so, the people are even if people, maybe,

yet, but not not yet, to come to come combinationsing between career with

the work, if they're if they're there, it's, there, more than than

the other than the other. The, that's just that's just it's just we're not we're not,

we're not, although like, again, we're not, but can, but it's can be,

more, much, much, that, that if we not have commitment with some,

if I'm doing, yeah, with the family, that in the there,

there, there, this, this, But, but, but, the people that we can

be able to be people who are to be a diplomat that's a part but it. But, I used. So, I used,

I used to, there's a person diplomat of the woman, Basha, that'sa. Vaisa, Asha,

Ayesha, Asan, can be a good, because, and get a daughter, so, and

get to, so I'm, so I'm not, so, I'm can't be yeah, so, and so many things, but

but, but, but, but we're communicating we're in people, people,

if I'm in a lot of my mind we're there's got to get back and the way, so that's the whole, solid,

then, then, then, then, and al-h-h-a- with system that's-a-l-o- -com-in-a- people,

women, bettled, not did discrimination. So, the women, did bring on the right that's really, so it's very important to us, how we can't make sure we can't this data,

to make sure our mimpic it, the endpiness, that. In the, my life wasa, cita-cit-nue, would be diplomat, school at DEL-N, but,

not-tough, he'd be mintae from the the U. At-N. Dibalong, I'd say, well, maybe you're kawain just.

But, it's in 2005. Yeah. Oh, yeah, over, over. And, and, we've been there, if, if, someone,

one of the same, has been moved, and, usually, who's going to move down, and, now, not again.

So, we're trying, to get back, and so forth. So, so, so, I'm going to talk about about, about things

to be related to the other-negrie. The end, the last year-ahir-in, you can, that's been in gawberoling, me,

meneyplomacy, vaccine. Tell it, about, about, about covex and other. Yeah,

so. The role, you, not, not, not, not, underestimate,

to, um, um, what, yeah, many, yeah, yeah,

that's all that, yeah, So we all, not ever, not perna, that COVID-19, virus COVID-19, this, will come.

And, it's not, it's not quick, so much, it's been two-tawn we're in in a situation like this. Now, at all-a-aw-all, we still remember, that January 2020, yeah?

2020, we, the case our first, is March, at the end of March 2020. Now, at all of the we've already started recalculation, this is like it's

like it, will be more mubourke. Now, every time there's a painacit like this,

we think, vaccine what, the abatn't, what, antinia what? Now, because that, then,

president, we're, how we've got access to get back can get a quick can. In the time, so on the same as we're

yes, God, the vaccine is still still, efficaciness, still in the trial all, then, production if they've

produced, it's a production that's cutcheel, it's, it's been borong with the people and the people who have

many, many, many things, and, Biasa, Hucum Passar, you know, barang a little, that's a lot,

it's more. It's more. At the time, President said, we're saying, we're going to find access. Bucca,

all the way, and try access. Now, I'm also, that's given the President, because, however,

even, you know, network, yeah. Networking, yeah, networked, you know,

the network for the world, then, that, that's, it's, is the PMN. Then,

then, uh, Ebu, Menti, Kuhuangan, who, uh, have,

working, we've got, we've got, we've got, then, then, Pat, M.

K. K. K. K. K. K. So, the,

uh, actually, we have put access, and, uh, people, why,

we're, we're, okay, we're, Kououou. Yeah. So, again again,

situation very, yeah, very, really, it's like, can't be cut out of

that. We'll get- up. We're at- our-s-k our-sac-sac- -sac-s- -cot-

-n. Now, the-but-l the one, I remember, between other other

other, is Xenovac and Astrazanica. So, because we need to we're-

to get- access vaccine. And we think, mas, we, we have we got,

a country as much Indonesia, with a 200, more than 270 million, it's not

very much. Because it's not the number we need, we need, we need, a number of

so much. Now, because that, the first is Sinovac. We've got also AstraZeneca,

but lately now, we're, the, the, there, there, there,

Moderna, there, Johnson and Johnson, and there, AstraZeneca, Sinovac, Sinovac, Sinovang. Now, the intinia, that's not only, that's this, if we're looking

presentation of the vaccination, we've got more than the target that's given by WHO, that's because we're going to get the rapid. Tentunuch, it's not not quick, gawur, but it's quick,

that's calculative. All we're, we've got calculates, and, actually, we've got access for some peremong and producer vaccine.

That if we're talking about Indonesia. Now, but, as a guy, and got, the country,

angota from the world, we can't be only think Indonesia. Because, because that,

from the since the time, we've been unawaraking the case for the

vaccine for all of the and vaccine it has the price

it's fargaining the country and the government is to buy vaccine. So, because that

there, there's some of Indonesia, there's one of one co-chairs from what

what is what you name the Cofx EMC engagement group. So,

the point in where the government where government and

the one, so, mubulin the money, then then

then, then, and then after that the countries bebeung and income

that's the amount by giving vaccine in fact that this this is this is

the money, the money it's not able to make make sure so that the

week December 2021 when I'm moving covex AMC engagement group

from from we're we're we're getting if we're if we're

getting 117% But, from delivery vaccine in the titic the end of December mid-2 December that,

only 53% from target. Because, can, you know, the money, the thing is the vaccine. If,

to have vaccine, there's also there vaccine menucoxination, this is a process too. Vaccine that is given

to the government, the country, the person the people never can't do you can't do vaccination. We talk about

massal logistic, infrastructure, capacity, and other and other. So, we're also, we're also, the same time.

From vaccine to vaccination. So. So. So, this is a complex, but I'm that I'm doing,

diplomacy can be contributribusy in the situation that's It's very full of tantan. Not ever to be able to get to be it.

Diplomat, the plazeration, and so many times. Tibert, I'm up to pay me. I'mpe-upil, de, nama opal, yeah,

the name of vaccine, platforming, and so baggian. And I'm a bunch of team who's- who's-sus-endalaming about the problem vaccine.

So, we've been the case in the other, the casus of, that's what, for lesson-lorn for us and for us. So, so, really, we're really,

we're saying that diplomacy can be contributory in this. And this is it will be resinamming. Because mutasiness, that's a lot of, right,

now, the time. But it's, but it's, it's also, for the community of moas, it's to be able to be able to

So, this, kind of agga, namal. Diplomasy it's, like, dup in the mena

that's in the manorah that's that much, yeah, but it's, but it's, and it's not

only only the tuntutant for Indonesia, diplomacy, but, tutuation for diplomacy all the world,

diplomacy, it's not gonna be doing, yeah, and, and, and, it's,

the, really, can be able be realized by the people. And, you know, that's, there's there's a hickmash in the time situation that's hard. Terniae,

we can't bring back to end up for people. This is I want to gether topic about issues, issue geopolitic in the kawasan and international. Maybe the first

that obvious is related with Rohingya. What is what the community is to know? Mennarangah. Mennarangah. Mawangah.

And... Indonesia, this is what can do do, do you do with Indonesia? And, and the community-loas? So, this is PR

that's been years. So, if I'm, back from Bangladesh in the end the end of

2021. Um, if we're talking, Cox Bazaar, the place, the number of $1.1,000.

Then, the government of Bangladesh amalgas allocations Pula, di relocation at that, maximum,

it can be mending $100,000. That's, that's just-year- in-sand-a- in-tendom this. Pandemic,

we can, we're talking about jaga-jara, protocol of health, and the other things, simply not it's just

done in the time at the places in the place that's not that

we're we're we're but we're but we know we have we have

we have the cause that's because if we're not we're we're not we're

not there but it can't be part how far there's what the car

massalal what? The problem is in Myanmar. At a time it, there's been there's been things that's things that

may be able to make sure to find Islamat and then he's from the country out to Bangladesh.

So, issue rohingia this, if, I think I, ideal, diselsaqan with

what? Repatriation, back to their home their. They have room in Rahan state in Myanmar. They have to

come to their home their. But they're not going to if they're not going to if the situation in Rahan State that is not conducive. And that can't make a situation in Rakhine State that's conducive,

yeah, Nyanmar, the government, Nyanmar, the community in Rakhine State that can't be able to

be able to begian their bank of their. Now, from ASEAN, we're ready to help to make up to make-sipatting situation that's conducive,

in the artian, for long-term, to build, several facilities, and, so-beginia, that's-a-pennan-a-siep. We're-siped Indonesia as a bagion from ASEAN,

we're sure-munt. At that, short-term-ne-ne-bant-bant-bu- -a-mac-mas-a-a-one-one-one, or who are in Bangladesh. We're giving helpan human beingsiaan. And we're building a room of sick, one of the home of sick in Rahenstead

that, at the same time of themangunaner, it's we're sengen-stead, we're taking from rachan state that's from different background. So, there are Muslim, there buddhists, and sogainer. So, yeah, they're both. And, again, it's chippeda, again,

the swasana that's conduc. Because, if we look, from the same from the same with Indonesia,

as a banka and the country that's machemok and the can't be solid, and it can be quite,

if we're saling, per toleransy, we're not not overmating whence we're when we're, once we're not per-tolerance

with good, then the kokohan it will beck-wrothed. That's what we're trying to help rohingy, one, menelisaghan, or to help-shotem-near, with bantuan-manusiaan,

plus, and them thinker can make-man-jank-in-nang-nioner-nation-in-law. And, if, in-rott-in-nion-in-old-ideal-ne, they're-ke-lust-hirt. To be-cit-cptak-can. So, if, if,

If I, if I'm going to be the smagat that's not the humanitarian, or even the right, but the principle democracy is to be the predispanked. Yeah. Ha, assaqi, yeah. Hachasati, yeah.

Havis, must be hushmati, because they're not to behormating the heart of it. If you're not, bu, the endangani, budd. Bulet, yeah? Bulet, see. Really, bulat.

Okay. But, but, it's even that's from ASEAN, we're in

10, 10, 10 who are better, 10 who are so in many things, there's much

approach, the approach the end up the same other than other, but that's what the

what's happened with rochiness that's something that's not can't get it, I think di-amini by everyone. We're sure that this is something

that's not that's not that's not, because that, ASEAN should Bullitt, making team to make make sure that's assessment what, what,

what do you're in Raghansett in making presiaping repatriation to back. That, that ASEAN is actually bullet.

But, Then, then, it's a Budeta, 1 February, 2021. This is almost a year, which is, which is more tendered again. I see. Okay. Okay.

This, if we're back to the year of 2005, Asia Africa, and the smagued, non-block, non-alignment. This, can, After, this, we're in sodorin dichotomy between America and the Hongok, and if we're looking narration or rhetorica

from each, it's, yeah, maybe, the bacaan is, this is, is, is, or, or, really, this isue, it's not a issue that's about with decoupling or percerion

that's more amplification after, after this. Now, maybe Indonesia is how, buch, sikap to the apache we can make a new-aligned, or how do we, how much, the back?

I mean, there's many times, the question that is the question that, and other than other, public law and debas-activity, is still relevant. I'm...

I always mean, with mantep. with mantet, that with situation like, with situation like this,

political out of the public world-negris-activ- and it's more relevant. Because what? In-d-all-

politics out-n-le-be-bass-actif we, we, we have given a space that's just a-cub-a-co-

corridor, where we can make-manover to-can-the-cire, tem-le-lem-and-se-and-seb-and-seb-and-s, to makege the penitinion national our.

So, at one tit, in one issue A, we can't, we can't be together with a ex.

But with working with another ex, it's not we're not we're we're musui

because maybe for issue B, we're we're just we're just working with Y.

Now, that's what I'm saying that political law and non-negre-bless-active just to make space for us to maneuver to make sure-curenging the penitinan national

our. Now, which, it's, it's much- maneuver, we have assets that

sometimes we're not not-mendary, not-mustrable, as a big from the size geographic, size demographies, size demographies is also

a big, we're as a as a kind of a kind of sometimes we all know that, there's one asset that we're not not, not, not,

how how the world look what, trust, yeah, trust, to, to,

to, to diplomacy Indonesia, because, because in where we're to be able to to embattany some of the other there's,

there's, more menacham, and more runcing, and now, we're, all issue, if we're there,

one issue, yeah, we're, we usually, we're, we're, we're, there, the different

gub-gub-gub-gub-be-be-be-be- that's, it's always, it's a lot of, now, and we have assets, and we have to show

that I always say that Indonesia is a trusted partner for the and this we can we're

on the two two, two, two, we're we're really, bettel,

to bea many many many that we don't have the importance of to control and so many things. What we're making is betturbany

perbidavit. So... That's all right. That's what we're doing. Neutrality that natural. Yeah, not neutral-netra-notral-notra really, yeah, right? Relative,

yeah, than the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so we're, but, bet, but, be maneuver, not want to make but one it comes to the principle,

we're firm. Because, it's also in the other than in the world, same with the people, when we're not gampangue, that's it's got to get respect. Right, if it's a lot of it,

it's atke-tec-tecuh, it, and, it's, it's, oh, it's just, but, but, when we've got to to the principle and we say,

I don't I can't include because principle that I have I'm not, because constitution I'm saying that they can't

they can't. And they justro will harnat. Two, two questions, the abang. The first, how we can

make making can kubu-hub-tur- that's-bhout that they can't make makelesaiccan the problem, a problem with their

themselves. Yeah, right? That's what we can to make making you to you can't just just, and the other the other,

how to keep in the context ASEAN, that there's not one unique perilak or there.

There's one unique? One or two of the people of the other of the other So,

so, that, that's the problem this can be able to only only

only only all of the but kind of that that that.

So, I'm I'm not, I'm, I'm not not,

unfortunately, and unfortunately, you're a great housewife. So, so, so I'm a wife. So, I'm going to be a diplomat. If we are in the room in the meetings,

in the sitang of Pbb, everything sounds good. Yeah, we have this, we have begin, we, now, at the same implementation it, it's not as a indah

what is the same There's a gap between statement, political statement, commitment, with what is in the lapangang. So, because that, that's what we're saying,

we're kind of, this, I'm a bit, kind of, we're, walk the talk, don, so, so, so what you're

on, so you're doing, you, because they're because they're sadder. Like pandemic this, back to pandemic.

Pandemi this can be done if all the country is allseye. Yeah. So,

can't if it's if the the fact of the fact that even

even that, but, the vaccine it can be bentenged many, it's,

can bendenging. Now, beratikan the first again. Some of the country, still not,

that's not that's not there's there, there's that's that's the first,

there, there, there, for the first one, must be still, and we

say, okay, the kind of, what, so, the, production, the,

production, per-batch, perbanyed, more. Perbany, hub-na, hub-now-you-hmm. We're-siod,

so-hap. Not-as-deh, still just just. We're still-as-a- there. And then- we can't-

again. So, not-be-you- So, so-and-a- that-lid that's-lid did-em-est,

even in the time where the work-same that's-to-cult- there-cath- there-cap. between what

what is about what the implementation and, and, the cost for the world this is more

more, more, more, than if we work together work together and again, the gap

in the room and in the lapang and the land and walk the talk. On ASEAN, what we're saying is,

If we're So, if we're Yes, the unit the community in the community we're

that we're that's each room that's that's being a room that part-

So if if there scambling, yeah, if there there's there, that's not having a patunan,

and to harmathe them, don't want some of the other than the other than, so again. Be a responsible member. That's what we want from the family ASEAN. We know we all are different, the level of the development of the

platforming, the system of the perentahs also be better, but what we want to be a responsible member from ASEAN. Okay, sounds hopeful if we're being held responsibility,

so much we can solid and be part of solution, not be part of problem. Okay, ma'am, this G20, we're we've got to get the ketuaan October 2002, 2002.

Two, two. What, that's what I'm coming from Sandy, you know, like, what's the girl that we can't, what we can gali? I want to ask, me, B'Art Nau,

what we want to try to from the people that super, super, super-crean. So I think I'm going to this again, that's kind of, not can't be unkak-can, not all things can be able

be un-gak-kak-k-k-k-k-k-a-bany-h there are things that can't be-a-cac-can. One of the one is what? Trust. Sure. Tras, it, it's, it's

just trust, but the turn-a-not-hut-an-k can be much so. And-a-kata, or maybe-mud-han, yeah, we're can't, we can be playing-comimimping

our key-t20. then there will come come come up trust that's more to be

from Indonesia. People come to Indonesia a year this year there

can have been 150 meetings yeah he came who

not even to see and it's much much

yeah Indonesia infrastructure infrastructure many much good and

well good and so as the Muslim the

the other, it's not homogen, he's heterogen. And so, so many, so, many, so, it's really, it's turned to be the perception of the country in this, in this, in this,

if this, if we can capitalization with good, it can be a-to-put-pad on truss that's that with trust, okay,

investations will be more he's he can be mid-tradagang that's more more than the indonesia

tourism will be more than it's not to be it-it- so, again, so again, let us use

K-20 to make- build trust that more more than Indonesia and maril-lis- capitalization

trust this and the, the-untunting the-untunctue that's the systemist. That if we want to talk, that's not instant.

Now, many people ask you, intern's, don't, instantia, what, we get up, don't,

we think, that, yeah, with 150 pertemuan, and , hospitalitist,

industries, bangit. Yeah, sell, and then the places can't be seen,

UM, KM, that, from the economy, I think, will, I'm gairohkaer the emmulihing

that is being Rintis by Indonesia now. But, again, that,

instant, and it can be being can't be making k'aqeconomy, with

Universities Indonesia, if not about what's wrong about about the amount of we're doing we're on the Ketuan G20

for one time. There's a I'm not but there are but if I'm that not unkakkan trust,

trust, two, I want to ask, trust, this and the first is is,

investations. This if I'm if I'm if I'm who's who's in Indonesia, Thailand, and Philippines, per-orang-per-a-one, it's just $100. Dibandingan Singapore, that's $16,000 to $19,000 per-o-a-one.

This is a lot of PR-to-P-R-to-de-depant. I see this, maybe, four, one, five, the G-2nd, that liquidity that's in their that is more than $100 trillion. Yeah. This is moment and momentum that's really

To how, for how, you can't to come to my So, we can do-krak the number FDII. That's already. That's not a reality.

So I'm not. I'm going to be and I'm and beharap, trust this is be can be and to be bang on and,

and what other with the kind of regulation that are here to make am-a-what-you-moudicca to money to make sure. This, maybe, it's been in fact-can. And there's one

one of the predacquatown that's being to be able by Indonesia so long as a again. We talked about diplomat that, it's like,

yeah, at mercus-suar, at, at the menara, Gading, but it's just with G20. For,

they're people, they can't, what's G20, what you're on what you're going to be, what's about us, it's going to be asked. Now, once, President, that G20 is a bit of boomed, so we're going to beaumicant, so we talk about the capyant concrete

from a perhelatant that what? Now, we can have three priorities, yeah. One, CASEATAN. Because, wherever you go, you go, want from from from the city of diplomacy,

more from the Mentiary Kewaung, more from the government central bank, the world, they're about about

about how to make the architecture of the community that's the more

the priority the first. Priorit the two, not can be We talk always in context how pulle economy but in a huge and sustainable.

That's the issue of the priorities priority is on the transition energy. Transition energy. The third, again, we'll learn from pandemic, ternata,

like, the next we can't get to let us from digital. So, the priority the third is transformation digital, and I'm not not going to talk about

cyber and so but what's that's what we're that we're about we're talking about transformation digital is how umkm

can be able access, how can be able and be able to be able to make to make the market

how they can We're going to be in the quality and and so many So, so many Cluster-Bestre three priorities that, and President

to in each massing cluster that, then there basket list tawarant from the G20, not

only for the country G20, but actually for the world. For the So, so that

is the , the, the people, the, that's, the, but it's a but it's a peru a

and it's a extra what yeah extra personal because tradition they're not that we're going to we're

we're going to and we're so I'm just I'm saying kind of Indonesia that's what is what's is

we're going to concrete can and at the end the end the end, can be it's not much more than it. This is to up, cuaping, and when can't be able to make it.

With the language that's more than, so we're now, even the bhaasasasic, we're trying to permuthae so that the people can't, can't, if it's about, if it's, it's, what, this.

The language, we're full-us, we're here. Cuan. Cuan. And then, when we're tricky, this climate change. It's like, oh, do 3,000 kaki,

but how, but how do you? Because not we can't just we can't evening energy terbaro-can, because scalan it's not enough. That's just to be able, desolusic by them. Right, to transform from energy fossil,

to energy, to energy, that's new, to bea-baru-can, at least there are two elements that's very important. One is technology, and the other is,

investation. Now, now, now, now, how G2 can be be a power Yeah. Terect comes

technology, the other countries, sometimes, he peg. Surrog, transfer, don't know. Investation,

also the other than it's really, so, not we're not we're calculating, but calculated, to invest in energy energy that's new and the other because

if the tuntutant only from fossil being green, d'adak, that's, that this is not been in

and this is crisis energy, and the crisis energy energy, the price. Yeah, transitions should be big. Yeah. Okay, this maybe a little provocative.

But this is about normalization. Normalization? Yeah. With? With? Yeah. With... Yeah, right?

It's been per-carcied by some people. Pandan, Ibu, or... Pandan Indonesia, this, how, so, so it's the best it. I can't give give a kind of what what is done by

the other that is that is the right of their who not we don't we

give a comment but but for Indonesia can, there are about and and this

and this new this what now the that, that Indonesia will be in generalization, I'll say that we're

that we don't have with the country that's not something that's a life that's a year and that's going to be that. All right. It's all going to how situation

lapangan. Lapang that is, it, that, the relationship with Palestine. How much the health

Palestine is how much, how much how much the kind of Palestine can be over-oleg, do you,

and how the good can't be able to so much. So, it's always very much

on the situation that. So, so, now, it's not, we're,

we're, we're, we're we, we're, we're, we're, we're,

we're, we're, there's, there's, dialogue come back, it's been much, because there's a matter of there, there's a lot of

there, that we're really really, because, actually, that's the other we can't be able to we can be facilitator,

we can be supportive, and so again, but again, we're very we can make a dialogue, can re-resume negotiations,

so, so, the people, to be proleh and the HACA, Alistina, can behormati. If the situation is still like this, it's just, it's choplock,

it's just. It's not, no, no time it's, to make a lack, to make a lack of, making a lack of lawyka, is two-state solution.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. But two-states-to-solution to have been principle. Yeah. And the principle, that can't be to langar with annexation

or whatever, yeah. Yeah. solution, I think, I think, that's the most can't do you. Because if one state solution, one system, it's, it's question about

which is the chaploc. Yeah. The same, palestinia, don't. Yeah, can't. Yeah. So, that's what has been basis

of all of the conversation, we're on the issue to the issue that's about. Now, for two-state solution, it's, there's there's a turnan.

Turunan, it, has to be hordered, and, and, it's really, we're not, because in the Dewan the EBA,

resolution is that too, that's the issue that, that, that's the making result of the so,

just do it, so, why, why not, that's just. Yeah, this is, this is this is the other people,

the story of in the first the first to give facilitation and occupations for them who they're in but now

occupation this not in the smangue not. Yeah, so it's it's, and I'm

yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm and this many people this is not. No, no, no, no, no. This is not social law.

This is not, yeah, what I mean, and what, yeah? Then, then, this isue, um, and then, that's a, okay, this, I'm going to go about

democracy. Democracy. Um, after, I'm, I'm, I'm going to be about, especially,

generation muda. That, that if they're using gadget their, they're, communication through social media, only with them,

their own, without them to understand about the history. Yeah, right? If I'm in terms of, I think of the story, and in the world, this, in a community,

can, in a community, can't have 108 million people. Sedgant, who's now, now, okay, okay, just, don't, if we can be able to learn from

108 million that who's been because they're having been but it's a bit of a concerning if you're not going to beauremberg so that's not to learn about history. So there's a concern from amnesia historic.

Yeah, right? And the other, there's a concern that to under the more than immunities cognitive. It's difficult to make make a fact from fixie. Yeah, right?

Now, if I'm going to If I'm going to book two in the context diplomacy to the different, before we talk about in 2004-5, how about, how do you know, diplomacy that's must have to get

to get to get in the facts, and get to make a fact from fictics. If diplomacy, I think can't be able to let's. So, so, so, there, change,

but there continuity. Yeah. So, if we get to meet, I'm from, I'm from the multilateral, yeah. Whatalal is multilateral. Multilateral is a kental with referencey, history.

Like that I said I said, resolution, resolution, referencey, it's not everything's a because it's made in a Lampo. Right, right? Can't we can't

we can't we can't let's make we're looking, the reason it's like what, dula we've got to be what, roadmap is like what, we're going to

to be it at this. So, if we talk diplomacy, not, that's not even that's in a room instant

that's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's, that's not. It's not that's very important

it's also it's also the tatarant diplomacy bilateral we're if we're if we're saying we're like

singed me yeah with one that we're we're still we look okay yeah we're like jankel but he's

that one who who who who who's who who made who when we're really we're

really time we It's really, he's really, it's a bit too, it's a bit more than we're gonna. We're gonna, we're gonna, but it's gonna investations to us, just a lot. Demikian, again, and again.

Yeah. All that's been hito. Everything is, and, and, catat-catat-chatan, it's been a book of in the development the new-upon-massad-depan.

So, again, there can't, There is that is instant, but we have to know what we're like what, one of the decision is what, that's what, that has, and it's only can be proleh

that if we can't. And, bachan not a baca, that's ape-cepetan, yeah? There, we must be to make one time, the time, the time,

that's in one day, to reading, beth, yeah, yeah, right, that's hard. If it's hard.

If it's just, if it's ever instant, and, yeah, that, that, dot, dot, dot, dot,

and, then, it's not, not, not, not, just, that,

that's just, that, it's, it, Okay. Wow. Okay, this is the last about democracy. Mm-mm. I'm, I'm going to talk about democracy. Yeah, Bali, democracy. How, democracy, is, I know, the kind of,

this, I think it's re-shape. Uh-uh. It's, it's... ...and it, like, it's bhaebbles, to a way that maybe, could not be able to and how democracy

to be able to to answer for uskin from the seaharan. Yeah. But what's more important to me is, how we're not miskin from idea, so we're not mizkin from attention.

That, if I'm in the way, that's more structural. The kempiskinan from id is more structural than the kind of of the miskinan of chastraa. Yeah, that's, that's how do you know?

So, so, um, we're, we're going to be baddegu-democracy foreign, the year, 2021. And the theme

it's democracy for humanity, because we still in context of pandemic and and sogainting. Now, we see that, after, after, this justro, there's a a bit of a carisowan, one, even, even the country that

e-ang-neaned democracy, but, and it's a lot of There's many a country that in 15 years in 15 years, democracy has been under-downs It's interesting to

see when we're having pandemic. Pandemic this, kind of, and the kind of and so much and, with very much,

at a time one of a case of a case that that's a time that's a time that's we'll get a you will. Yeah. The other

democracy system and then it's been to take a conclusion that, that the other that are men who man who are

more to not more to be able to control a crisis than with the country that top-down.

I'm not I don't believe that. I don't believe. I'm not. Yeah. Yes, it's a yeah, it's,

the name, emergency, pandemic, that's even if when, when you know, many

that's that don't get to answer and questions that, that's

many, but, But democracy, it's to give room to give a point of people to give a pan-dangan. Yeah. Contagnagement

COVID we're now, every week we're at cabinet, we're at-batas, bicarer, to look, the Pengue of COVID a week to-mine

and, and, at least a week to the that if not there's democracy, can't be it's just president, and the minister just, and I'm just,

and I'm sure, and I'm not going to be able to get a bit better that's that if we're oh, we're doing oh, we're doing,

oh, we're not we're not to-it-it-it-tac-in- but, but, so if people are Javier, not only for the sake of monged. We're now, even a one of the other than a diplomat,

we're doing, to bring data, mas, all of, we have to bring data, data in this, this, and we're,

and we're debatkin. And we're debatken. So, so, again, there's a good, It has to be acu. The question is the

question is apacques democracy is a system that's the to govern. If I'm I'm

I, I'm, I'm in the system that because we can get get a much

the tantanan our democracy delivers. Yeah. Now, this is we

have to the other negatres democracy, it makes democracy delivers. Because if not, it will be more than, will be more likely. Yeah, the lawyngen,

that will be more than, because at the end, that will be looked and the hope that deliverables. How far your system can't deliver. Now, this is the

key it, the deliverers, this. Paradox is, if we look at autocracy, they're more than deliver. Because they just to more than selects talent

with-desartes or meritocracy. Just to the democracy that's the most too-in-doin he makeslection that's more than better-beard-patter-a that's more than

that's a discount to their and some other who are the other as democracy. Now, this is the back full circle, to dichotomy or decoupling in two countries, right, end-of-un-in-of-necure,

who's who the most alienation the dirnation and didn't deliver, he's the most not-lacu. Yeah. That's the keyn't is, the word, deliver. Ma, this is the last,

this, we're talking about 2045. Gambarine, Indonesia in 2004-5 is how, from the situation of international, diplomacy, whatever, yeah, if you're young now, I'm going to look at relevancy

our, not only as a economy that's great, and Muslim majority that's great, but we're relevant to be in or be per-peran in context multilateralization.

And it's, which I've been, it's been a subatting peradaband. Yeah. Yeah, right. And I've seen, there moment,

and momentum. Tionc, this, peradaband that 5,000 years. America's the U.S.C., peradaband that 200-kian-town. Indonesia, to, actually, for 2,000 years, yeah, right?

We can't even be able to be in America, but Islam with the West, and muchmach, realistic, not, is it? For us, for we're really,

dren, dren, d'ranged, doable, doable, concrete, concrete, all,

doable. This, what's just what was just said that's all, asset that's The challenge is how Asset is,

how we can puttebal, we can capitalization, so, it's a a power that's a great, the power that maybe not be made by the other. Yeah.

I'll give a example, now, yeah. At the time we talk about the problem the power

of the women, education to the in a country with a people with a Muslim, we have a lot of we have an asset that's so I'm a lot of

so I'm just now I'm just one of the one of the one is for Afghanistan with situation that now, focus our, if the bantuanuania okay,

we've done, Foccus our to the focus our to the about how the education demacucan, in the education for women and girls.

Pemberdayaan for women and girls. Wow. So I'm talking with, can, engagement with Taliban, can, we're just we'll do. Yeah.

I've been with them. And even for people of the in the U.S. They're in the U.S. They're going to be the RETNO, if you're

more relevant than if I'm who are they're being they're not-muslim. If they're non-Muslim. If Indonesia

is a Indonesia is a country with a majority Muslim so much. But,

there, the hark-h-prempurn and for women, it's in the way of the women, so I'm going to be sure I'm going to becared more focused with the wakil from Taliban.

The inting is how I can help the women in there and we can even the people the people to

to to make a program education for a So if we talk about Pembedaiaan it's not necessarily that the woman that's not necessarily

but he can be working from, in the in the home, it's able. They're be able. So, we have a set that's a set that has to have to

keep capitalization. But if we if we don't have to the asset that, I'm not Yes, it's in harness. Right, right.

Right. Dinercher, yeah. So, asset that we're in a government, rural, what, it's an economy, in a time, it's from poean,

it's from poean, it's, you got to earn it. Yeah, can be that. No, that's a whole that we need to nurture, we have we have to be able.

So, we say, okay, we're a majoramook, to be able to beaum, yeah, hearty, don't, perbidia. Tolerancey, don. We're going to be a country, economy, the koskian-terbesar.

Yeah, we're just to be that. Now, one of the one of the, Actually, what I've been in 2004-5, it would Indonesia is a new country that's a country that's much, not to be inuasay, justro, we're big to beauntary

to be able to beauntary. So, if the other is, it's to bea-to-monguasai if we're be able to to bea-toe. So, if we've built a jembbatan,

that we're building, that's a strong. Because of the we can be a place a so if we're like a trk

with tonaise that we're we're going that's going that I think that I think about in a

2004, again, it's not to be if we're not we're we're put, we're upay can

we're education, It's important. Yeah? SDM is important It's important because it's now

it's actually chip-ne- All right now plus yeah it and the uniquing and assets of

Indonesia is to partabal. Sorry, I'm going to push you on this. How much if if if

if a country that to consultations on the other not to a new in ASEAN, but to we're in the consultations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right?

And for the Uruzaan the Timur-Tennaw it, it's to us, yeah. Yeah, right? That, that's, it's,

it's, not what? Yeah, that's what? We're not, we're it's, we're, we can, we can,

we can give a count of the and you've done fantastic, for vaccine diplomacy, the peran woman in Afghanistan, this has to be virul-can,

yeah, yeah, for the key for the importance of the way. So, because, potret of the world our country will be very gantung how we're building in our country. Yeah, right? Yeah. That, right, it's, can,

so, if we're going to talk about, per-bearing of the people, In the in the we don't be deroged women not

the right right right I can't I can't not be because I'm not

because I'm because I'm even giving the best and then when we talk we're all right

we're we're aller we're in here in the so in so yeah so I'm

so much so that's we're really what we what we're doing in with

portrait that can we can't have been in world, it's like what. But, again, what I want is, 2004-5, we're quite, not to menendez, but to be in-embowas,

but we're not to be a embatted. There are points point of the end for the people large? Um, a bit, but it's

important, but it's, but it's, We are being machmoog, but the challenge is a big, but the challenge is a big. And if we can't we can't

to protectan-a-mere to make sure. We can't keep consatuan, I'm a quite I'm quite because, because of all of the

the country, anywhere that's just about what whatever can be as long as we're as we're quite as as one of the other so. So,

so. So, we can be, but we have to that it's not that's not turn from land. It's something that we need

two-year we've got to trya'n't this is not different about what we're over a few hundred years ago. And we've persevered.

And I even said, we're not resilient but we're anti-fragile. But resilient, too, but anti-fragile is more. We're just true, we can be more quite with the try of COVID and stuff, but not survive just.

That, that, that, we have fair, fair, and we're fair, we're fair, there's a lot that we have to put There are a lot, there are that we have to be able.

So, don't we then can't, we're, we are nothing, no, we are not nothing. We are something. Yeah. We are something. Yeah.

Wow. Ms. Rednau, thank you very. Thank you very. Thank you. Same. Same. And, that's I'm not,

Rettnaudm, from the world of the Republic Indonesia. Thank you. This is endgame.