Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Reza Rahadian: Bangsa Kita Mesti Fokus ke Hasil atau Proses?

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

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Bucan be meant to make sure that's important, yeah. Bucan it's the contexting, that's just something, I can make sure that I must pass it. That's the end result. Nilayn't, or the 8, that's another story. What's the idea of perfectionism in you.

Maybe I'maitha that's got to have to tundas commitment. You've been told me that. The most important, that's the most important, you don't judge your character. You lived it.

It's liberating. Then I can't put up room to mara, room for quechewa, room for quechewa, a part of me. It's not who I am. I think that's one of my biggest, biggest fear. Hello, people, time we're in here today. He'serahadian, one of one of the actor who's great-bara. Reza.

Hello. Thank you, thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Okay. And I, I want to know, I'mal-al-you-a-hita if I'm-hous, if I'm not the part-i-bub-old-arty. Very part. Yeah.

Tell you. Yeah, I'm, I'm living in Bogor. Um, then, d'bosurkut-on-oh-oh-old-tung-al for the longest time. Um,

the sosok that, I, it's a big, big, um, a role in my life, you know, I'm a person I'm a person who's a person

because of a workerous I'm very much mannambing about what is because of what is important to have been in front of my name-shaway

that, day-juang, that's important to be able to profesiness what? Ibu. I was a person I can't

be a good because he's making bachar basa-pran- but he's always be-per-the-Pan-Prancis. Latar belakangue, the story of sastra-pran-o-o-i-o-s. She was a-o-o-songue.

then he's much of the same of the same in the other, rather than the company, pranches. Then, yeah, best with lingungan like that, that only had we're two, I've been used to be able to from gawbril.

So, if there are people, I always think, I'd say, in my time, in my own, I'm too, that's too, that, too,

too, too, too, too, too, too, because, I'd be sadari, I'm just made made, I'm a partner that's abouterang-bacaract, even

about how much about not-um in the young-usia-keek-cille, but because I've only had been a friend-bicariness in-of-as-sha. So that's pretty much how I grew up. I'm based on the Jakarta. School, all, in Jakarta, I had spent, I'm set school at the Balik Papan, I think because, because

my mom's my own one of one of Prusatian, Swasta, French, Total, total, then I'madne. Then I'm going to be able to Papan until after, to come back in SMA in Jakarta and that's that. Memanage gaping the gaping, in the room and in out of the.

Because if at home, he's maybe levelingia a lot of up, conversationally. And intellectually. Yeah. Then, if you're out of my time by the level

a bit better, that's how much? that's how much. If you're in school, um, yeah, have people and like,

like, to be able to talk about, that's always about that's all about it. Hary mingue, come'an, abys not on what

a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- but, but, in-lour-it-a-you-lap that I'm what Ibu's like I'm from mybara I'm from school I'm going to do you're uproofing

because I'm not put uprooosin so I'm not put in front of work so much help in the room so it's already from the time of the dayang she put a certain amount of money in one place, I'm going to come back I'll go home

clean the house manage everything by myself do my homework she'll be at around at 7 o'am, because it's the time of the time. Yeah, well, yeah, so, yeah, when I'm at least in the room, yeah, when I'm at the time of the time.

Because I'm going to work out of the same. So, I've been able to beaitherto, handle everything on your own. I remember class 2S.D. it's maybe, the first time, the first time, I'mavernor how much

how much to be able to school, I'm gonna'am-Ban, YMCA, when that S-D-N. It's a-bass-ap-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-cot-nant-pagam-a-bago-a-court-a-old. That kind of trust

plays a big part on me. That, can do this, that's impact the bumpingbuck for the way to be. I'maed to be able to be. I'm sorry. There's observation in

the time generation that it's overprotects from, from the people, it's a bit, kind of, kind of,

time you and time I, when we were, if we're just down we're just to get you're just under John Death to parambana but if you're like,

but if now I'm looking like many people are more protective now this there's analysis from some of the one one one one

one one one one he who he's by hypotessa that overcodling overprotects that

it's correlates with cases that's with anxiety, depression, and other than like, you? You're not?

With the thinking, I can't minkir it and I can't spaked with that. Because, I'm not

I'm not, I'm over, when it's got to get it with one other other other than

the next it, it's usually will be have been the damage that's negative. So,

protection is important because in the time there's many there's a unpresidented moment that might there, there's

because of what what's that's really even we've even, even some sometimes

of the sometimes, because there's in the facilities public, that transportation umum. Soing that's

because of the way ishawattirate. This is parted. This is P.R. not only only the power but how much the PR the bestorough is our people as a community. It's on us

also, responsibility this. So, why I say because I'm not sure to be protective, but overprotective, in my opinion, I'm not sure

I'm I can't I'm about they're just people who's being a lot of that's talk about

that's about anxiety that's that's very popular in Jensi Tremes especially

we can't we can't about mental health issues anxiety, depression Bampu and then and I'm saying

so much that's that's that's that's that's I'm much also

from from the area that I always I'm like, I'm from, yeah. That's a core foundation

of our, how we develop our mind, the way we talk, the way we communicate, that's, it's a big, big, big part. You know,

it's a big, big, film. Poula, and, uh, cacare at TV, plays, and,

and, line, and, without ajaran-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-coucac-a-a-a-a-a-a-cire. Okay. So, there's-a-a-a-responsibility that I'm-a-a-san-a-a-o-a-a-a-lang-a-oan-a-a-oan-a-oan-a-a-wean.

Okay. It's the dampactne Angas-o-a-y. that's the impact is for me for me personal and manage and a lot of and other. So, the minate to learn about literacy co-uangan, it's also made because bibit that

that's that's that's been given at point responsible. Ibu's very much mannambing the art of that's big so that if I can't I'm I'm

there's about there's about there's about there's a perfect because it's not meant to make sure to make sure

that's important but how much it's making work work something when it's something that's I can't

give you're that I'm making that I'm making that I'm that I can't that I'm that'sile that

result's or the 8 that's another story but for me to accomplish one responsibility for I'm at least accountability there. Accountability's it

how you're if you're if you if you're not with the way optimal not with the

not set and stick how much this? This is it It's very because of the because of the last

gashikosven, it's about it's about because it's about bigot. It's justiccan to me. It's justicant this,

this is the money jajan for you last one, it's jathing so you cannot cross this. You have,

I always give portion, you can buy a play a manan one by with amount so So, so I've got

I've got to and I'm back and it's about this per day money per day money so that's the amount of money that I'm puttooking

I'm I think there's there trust that's that's that I'm soingga

the way I'm going to it's just full with calculation Penhut with Okay, okay, I'm like I'm going to be able to find out of my friends

Hey, let's go. Let's go. Maybe to mall or to come on. If I'm talking about. If you're wrong, if you, ever did not make me, Pernah.

Yeah. He ajargobrol. Okay. Discusy. I'mu, I'm going to be a person who's I'm very I'm stilliscusy.

I think I'm ever one of the way yeah, that's I'm doing that's the same as well anger. I'm not ever d'u'u'u's

because why the way you're doing. That's I never never got. What I'm trying is, the ajarat

do you talk, how do you feel? Dapet Mawawr Dapet Nile 5, like how do you feel?

Yeah, this is it, gini, gini, gini, gini, gina. Okay. So what do you think you need to do? Yeah. Yeah, I'm, yeah,

so you know, maybe you can do it. Actually, I can't do it. It's more from from. More from. Motivation internal, not external.

Yeah. So, I think, I'm SMP that's Mip it's the time because of the time it's the time

on the time that's in the same. I'm just like the pressure. It's not pressured.

Oh, belajar because there's a there, there's, this, this, not,

it's, it becomes a hobby. Yeah, seneng, t'gapap, menmukment, and,

Not much Ingrammatian Then, Then, then it's about What's? Yeah. Acting or

what, that's I'm used to 18, no, 16, that's first I'm about

in one part of the theater that made that something is... At some thing is... At least

school? At the school. Okay. ...want at school. It's interesting yeah. Um,

Rathes, I'm in theat. So I'm going toalini from the same the same. Then, then, it's a perennang, especially professional. Perenal? Perenal? Atlet renan.

How did it? Bebass? Like, I'm able to bea bus. How much? How much? Yep. And, kupu. Dulu, two specializations.

That's two. Then I gotal to Plattas. Then I'm back again again, I'm back again, I'm quite practical at that time, because

because of that time, in the time, you know, um, that's almost not chaos, but unfortunate at that time, at that period of time, I must move mutar my head,

with the rest of job, what am I supposed to do in this kind of situation, you know? I'm going to ambitangue, I'm going to happen, I'm going to be able, that I have zero idea.

I have zero-a-a-old-a-old-tawn, I'm not too much kind of work that I can't do. I'm not talking. I'm trying to work. I've tried to teach in a lot of years'i-old, but then it's not enough for our economy at that time. I've changed my life. What gave you the confidence? that

was something you could be good at. because it's not gampangang, yeah, right? Because it's because it's mcernicum, and memerluckin EQ. To be affalin Naska,

it's not gampangang. Yeah, that's, it's been cognizy. Yeah, right? And, And to be able to be able to beaughal and everything. Yeah, IQing that's true.

I'm just curious. Pivoting is kapan. The one of you're making, like. If you're- If you're actually, what happened? So, what happened? So, I'm not really, I'm from the first time there's a set

shooting first time I think that's a new 2005 in sub-productive I'm trying to make sure you have been able to make sure can't say that's

about somepike can be where-many I can't be so profession certain and then I can have room to

mara room for quechewa room for and like that acting acting, it's making that's like that because I'm sure there's lucka-lucked in masa-lucked

with the time you that's important, that and I have to becult, and I'm I'm not sure this, this, it's actually, I'm gonna' this extraction it's to be where. Tren, and I'mbericum, so

so I can extract by feelings and emotion emotion, that channeling is So it's really in the world 21 is a year 21 is the time I'm not ever the part part of the same

significant in the career my second the first, in the end up, I'm trying, the way, I'm going to

take putusant my 21, that is right to I'm going to go and pursue this career commitment. That's also

kind of Ibuwua, you know, have to you have to commit. you want to work at this certain things commit. Because commitment also, you can't have a lot of positive when we're taking

with all the knowledge and knowledge and other who did you have in mind? On the 2nd, 2. When you had, kind of, I kind of, I think, yeah. Who? Metal Strip Cristinio

Okay Christian Hakim You've been there's And then? And then, then, And then, And then, Yes,

Yes, I mean, There's a response That's, Because I'm back With her, Christine, Like a person

I'm, She was just being nice Just, What? What? What? What? What?

What? What? Because there's there's there's there's there's There's about harriet Okay, okay, okay then he's Not only Um, but how

Valiable Peran that Ibu Christin Perank, right? Range, pern't know, I'm notary. Nurt. And knowing that she's Asian hero Cover,

Manjala Time, that's, that's one Yeah, that's one is crazy. I mean, becoming jury, and one-satunuching, the festival from the festival, for example, for me, for me,

I'm for me, that's all the way of it's amazing, and until this time this is not by people other. In the, when you're not in You know, there's notas? In terms of range. Or you're not to be able to the end of the end. I'm not trying to brag. No.

But I do feel that way. Okay. I'm not. Okay. So, so, in the seren, butasan exploration I'm not really badatism. so I will play a certain character only.

Because this is good for your branding as an actor. I justrund remorobos batas that. I remember, there's one peristuea, after Habibu, but a big hit, but then we all saw it by-tibu-tibu-old, the shooting-na, I'm going to be a film

of Kariati Shura-atmajah, judulness, something in the way, as a taxi driver, who addicted to porn, that's one character that's very contradictoryive, leompat from shooting Habibi,

because I'm not, I need to change something. I'm not want to make up. I'm not want to make sure I'm going to be able to becoming a hero and a character that turned out of many people the film got big and other than line

I juster malacquatir and I'm madabra. What? I don't want to be known as if as an actor you play a good character. all the time. I'm still the project I'm gonna'amble under the genre

better or new that's more because you're making with capacity you, or you even like to challenge? Succa di challenge. Okay.

I like something that makes me make sure to make sure because it's to make sure to be back again

so I think the biggest fear is to get too comfortable and my own of work. I think that's one of my biggest biggest fear. Discipline or what you have made you

make you can be able pivot from a to the worda to B, C, D, and line, line. If I say back on actors the actor-to-the-cernal, yeah, they've got ritual

there's a, there that's detoxed, without meagang handphone, like Christopher Nolan, he's not, not like email, not by what, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But, that's not with peculiarity existence of who, who,

that's very to be able to be adopty a color that's very different, or you

look at ritual that line, that more that's, there's one thing usually,

and this, and this very much, that's very I'maqa I'm just like I'mrancaicant one talk I'm not evening

the bestreiber's my room so I tend to create my own room as my safest zone and safest sanctuary where I'm where I'm really

there's I'm lebrose like to be I as a human being where I can just read toaguerre, to doodoo, want to doodoo, and all the same, nobody cares. And it's

liberating. To have that kind of zone. Because for the longest time, we never have a house back in the day. We always rented, we're always moving here and there. So, when I'm trying to be able to be in situation like that,

maybe it's also kind of the maybe that's very kind of the the moment it's very contemplative what I'm

that's very contemplative that for me the way detached again from oh, sad and everything

and everything and one other one other that maybe works for I'm going to I'm

is I don't ever I'm about what I'm going to yeah, I don't know, I'm going to that's always making it to be set that. How do you do that? Because I always... Maybe before that, if you're like shooting,

offset, you're gonna, you're, okay, if you're, if metal strip, that's been acting in character, can?

If, if he's wheningal can set, He got into street. He's a particular. I'm sure that's from one of the last Merrill Strip can't be a father in a certain character. Yeah.

Yeah. He's such a lot. In other, I'm not saddened, maybe I may bring it back. Yeah, I don't know. Because I'm already, but consciously,

I always meningalkingalcafant it Because, because, I'm not I'm not myself as an actor all the time. An actor is a part of me. It's not who I am. As a whole,

it's just a part. So, it's I go home as I'm at Zara Hadian, the son of I'm pretty. You're Stripy as as a

people who's because well-you-lawful-you-lawful too, quite luas. I'm not looking at you're just as a bit as bachan-as-khae

yeah. You know, you're kind of many things other than, is that the right assumption? Yeah, it's not wrong. Okay.

It's hard for me to say that. Yeah. I like reading. I like studying I'm about about different things. Including politics and everything culture and all the and other. But

because, I mean, I think, there's that I never can't that I'm not going to be as an actor, your knowledge plays a big part. Because we don't

I've got when are you going to get a certain character you have to be ready not even if you're going to be coming, tibat-tibre I'm not sure.

Playing Chokulaminotoh, for example. I don't have been minimal when I'm screen test and casting audition for that role I'm sure I'm going to fail. So, for me, for me. as an actor, you need to learn a lot of things.

Let me flip the narrative. Apocat, if you're going to be hypotesa, if you're kind of a little bit more than you then you're being made a pernown for scum, you're going to make the same-simpulling, if you're more than you're more Kaya Kaya Kame. I completely agree.

Yeah, right? It sounds intuitive. Because I'm, I'm thinking, that's not can't be playing pern forrest camp. If he's not wise and knowledgeable. I think knowledgeable, also leads us to have a bigger empathy.

Yeah. Because, yeah, But as much that we've got to beckon, many of how much that we've got to beauched, visual or by audio, that's the peckon I'm, the peckon as a human is more enriched. That's why,

that's why, when you've got one character, bacharacted, objective character that mawomeny what, becomes very sensitive towards the character itself, and less judgmental. Right. an actor you don't judge your character. You

you lived it. Tugasen that, you know, not can't be, this, this, this, this. You know, the most of it. The last hard, you know, if it's, if you're going to be able to be. Elaboration. So I don't trust

a technical crying in a scene. Which is very, yeah. Or even preparing. Like, as a director, I'm here, I'm on-cuitable, and then you call the action. But before action,

I'm in time, I'm just, I'm just, I'm gonna'clock, I'm gonna'clock, I'm up-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-poh, okay, pa, I think I'm ready, then, I'm ready, and then action,

then, then, just jato, natas. For me, as an actor, I dare to say, I against it. I can't. because of myrata, acting is not about just portraying, oh, you are so good at crying

no, it's how to show the audience you don't need even to cry to make them cry. It's to hold it. It's not to cry because in our real life we tend to hold it and people can feel it.

I know you're holding something. until after after quite quite quite I think that is my approach powerful how do you reset yeah apalague two three take it's yeah it must be so energy

draining draining wadu not I'm yeah I'm not be able to if I'm emotional I can't make time for like five, 10 minutes.

Just need to breathe. And then I do something that's not there's a character either I call someone a friend or or gawbril just or watch something on my phone, YouTube or whatever.

You know what I'm looking at acting to need me need, the kikquatown physicality or endurance. Oh yeah, yeah. Because it it's, it's not in element So it's So it's like, but

endurance Physic, very important. Because in the caractoring there's a lot of human, because physics plays a big, big part. It's very important. This I'm going to

get a bit. You're in, you have been over on about about the buddaya. Yeah, can? You know, you're going to watch a book. why, what, how do you know,

to what's about how much of the way? If I'm how much, I guess have to get a campaign about, you know, ambacca, and other, like, yeah, Pat. But, I don't think it... Not... Not...

Not... Not... ...to be madacted... ...it ...it ...it ...it ...andus... ...tumbed, to... ...tubbush, tubbush, tibu... Honestly, honestly, it's so hard

if it's so hard how to make sure how much manumbucked mind one thing that's up in my mind right now

spontaneously to be honest is why it's important maybe maybe narracy about it that that

that's that's about by many young, people people, and other than other, what's the benefit?

because the day, I think I'm going to say, quite transactional. Like, there's a point of view that's interesting, what I'd

what I'd get if I was what? Why? Now, why factor this is that must be highlight and must be to see, why, why, because we're because we're talking about

but what's the good, but what the good? And, what? I'm not to look at, when I'm bachar, if I'm bach, if I'm not just a biter, I'm saying, I'm not only just knowledgeable, but the capability to mongolkata

in profession, I, is, it's the It's because of course Dixie Dixir, Diction D'allelian, that's

because I'm bachia. And as an actor, I'm think not asing with the language in a

book in a time. It's getting a lot of people, and being asing

in the television when I'm sometimes sometimes the language language English

backu because sometimes we can sometimes we can't and enduy-down

with enough. with very natural. because you don't read that much. That's why the words becomes alien for you. So, it's being asing when you're being able to

hear backu even though is it. I'm looking if we can be able to we can't, we can't

if we can't We can't be If we can't be communicates If we can't We can becubububcassi, if we can be buddhares, we can bepudia, simple,

can, but if we're not Muddayakaan Baca Bucco or Bouda Baca Bucco How can we can't and this I'm going to take more to backang and the men who'd now, this

too stodahed and has with the H-hapes their that's a new gregers that's a newfound between between them, either, yeah, right,

by social, and it can't, and it'serical them from history, mencerical them from

predecessor our, so many, 108 million people who's who's, Mentional Dunia. That's the name is a story.

Now, I'm looking like communication with predecessor, the more than they're making corbant amnesia historic, the more than they've got put up wisdom, the more than they don't get history or history,

or the story, the more than they're to build, to make make uptick the future. It's more difficult to have a human rights social, absolutely.

That's right. And, and what I'm saying and that's about the story of the same thing. And, the sameinant what, that's it, what they're talking about,

termination, including on the our own of our own what they're talking aboutsane, that what they're talking aboutsating, it's exhaustive. has to acop,

and I've got to look at some of the era that's not-did-tulis in book of history as far exhaustive or in accurate. I'm going to respond this, I'm very excited when I'm sorry, I'm going to say, how much,

there's one of the generation Moodahus'ucus' attached with gadget two communications that's just through the right jari-jari-in-i-in-you- which I'm in terms

where, here, at the end up the society that's more more more than normal and naman and using jarring with

various acun, or it's anonymous and other and other, because at the end-existence they're

as human It's the same so much more than you're that's a lot of their action. that's fun. This is because I don't have any accountability and responsibility of what I said because, because

it's just say it through social media. I'm not saying I against social media, yeah, pa. Although I'm not a fan, but I'm not a fan. But I'm not against. What I'm afraid is that's not as a person. You don't have control over technology. That scares me.

I've been bicarra, this is Asian Summit. When I was I was the one of one speaker. Ishing the forum's, the kids' young, there are 12 people. and said, and the first question first time is, whether or do you're to make sure about with the technology that's current

and being able to people who mayanlyany the way to make any option to actually taking a step back and look at them back and taking control over it? Like you know that you have control over

the technology. Like, like the technology but I'm going to have to beaugh what's what I'm going to be able to the same thing. Ketidapuance to control

the use of technology. And, I mean, I, in the scale this, it's just be a bit of the problem. But,

but this, back to the conversation we're in the way, why, it's important. True. Because if you have that habit

you will not be easy to be provoked by something that's kind of critical thinking is more than you know more structural, more comprehensive oh, I think yeah, I'm just, I'm just, I'm trying to know I've gothapagraph. I feel like I know everything about it.

I think I need to read through a bit. It's degrading, medigradation the human, uh, human rights, uh, human rights because, I mean, I'm not sure. In the middle. Many people, people are young people who are not, um, who's not sure. He's not sure. He's not. There's a lot of There's the same isilah, what, what I'm the word isle-battery, social battery. Okay.

Yeah, this social battery-ne-ne-uproarer, because social-battriness is-ucur from, to come up to a event besar, becumpul, with people-tem. Blum-tent, too, saling berbicara, because everyone's still-sibuc-send. But, then, it's been a lot-upor. Yeah. I meanacus. Communication, that's all day,

to say, but I'm not sure you, but I'm not sure, and be able to do you, and communicate to one another. I, jujured, I'm not aheal communication, I don't learn

communication in art that's a institution formal, but, but back again, I'm untinged because has

because of the sameanan maca, that's about minimal, from the same time from there's that's all right. It's all right.

People are dating just and at home and two-duechap. Two-day-lake-hapes. Not-nobrol. Not-gob-l-blog-bush. Bucan.

Borghussus or whatever, like, so, yeah, so, yeah, so, this, it's, so, it's, It's very dehumanized.

But we're just to be ablengue by amplification algorithm. Yeah. Yeah, right. There's one one that's interesting, I wish,

and I wish, the direction is to be brought to Indonesia, because it's very, because of people, young,

becumptu, and make a forum, this, this is not the American, in one, one library, they're

they're not around, in a time in a half-same-same, if you're over the weekend. There's a subafe in the library, a big, cafe, then there's corner music if you want to be santa, soundy with music. But, tibat, tibaba in the room

that, for the time to be able to bring your phone. Perfect. So, so much more community where, want to make-you-bara-as-you-a-you-gook-a-gare-a-gare-a-a-gir-a-a-a-a-cac-a-a-gare, or you talk to someone. Ters-ras-rah. And then, yeah, because situation is-gust-me-moh-n-with-stimulus to, let's have a conversation.

If, if, I'm not-a-gay-a-h-gay-old. I'm-gaping, I'm-gaping. So, let's talk about something. It's a very, very good community movement a lot of course I'm not, I see, I'm sure, I'm sure, to what extent do you believe

that, how things like that it's more than if it's up, or top-down? This is the assumption that that's thing that's a thing that bad, because because of the right? because we're going to make sure.

We're not misguyening abouting political culture in the room tango, in the country, in the place ibadah,

in institutions social who, who are, people to gobble about the important of the

public, gomobolm, gregn of the things that mulia I'm I'm about the back I'm about that I'm about

I'm from bottom to top because because I think we have to realize at some point this is certain to

degree that that top down it kind of sometimes sometimes it's

sometimes it only made a expectation by the hope that's then just themu and and just because

because of the way because of the political clear about this after it. After it, it's made it make we can start from down part why not?

It's not It's not even from the people From the group of the different But that's not just Bring it to Whoever elite or to Who is Pemanku Kepentingan To make up to putusan atas it

Because, I mean, I'm sure Maybe the grassroots-nayam-you-hmm People. You can't help them to hangout with your popularity of your if you're about you're like I'm sure that's just to-you-achin

I'm going to go to-buck-bucked to buy book and make as much to give time to be more than than using two jemple to play HAPE 8 to 10-10-jamb

to T-T-T-Tac-Tac-Gram that's-Gas-GATO, that's not-ehat Now, this is a goodaya. This is in order forcounter preservation. And the power of preservation this is in lawan or diadu or betemu with the quatant innovation.

Yeah, right? And I'm looking, buddaya and cabudayan, this is be evoluosy if there's an open-upac unthinkul Kyrgykutalikovans, it's not maju. Because the quaterpacizabeth

and he can't be able to undergooker to merangul the power of innovation. You're going to look at Indonesia how? In context, the point-tick-temu between the quatine preservation

with the power of innovation. If you, I'm going to see, I'm going to see, I'm going to in context this, we're always put uprogram with the same-tumpugnation in the Permanentahus'nizabeth,

this is this thing, this is my opinion. So I always look why, as a example, we have one of the Dementryan, education, research and technology,

now, now, but, but then, when we talk about Kewa' Rewa, there's this is this ishomeniqa industrial, oh, this domain

the P-U-P-U-P-R. If we're talking about other, there's a lot of there. So, there are many tangu-jawap and top-oxi that's actually

in-line, but because it's been in several department other, soing it's hard to execute to execute even one thing actually one thing really

really is a hard-to-send- because we're always sorry, sorry, this can't be able to be able to be it in here. Nanty, it's very large berlapis.

It's what I'm inuade, I think, believe, that, in Indonesia, in Indonesia, the wordin'nusance, kind of, there are intangible, there's intangible, there's

the form of, and, and, and this in, in, in format that, that's big to be able. We're going in, aditistia, that, that, we're talking about but we're about

that's another thing. we're more or less, more than 100,000 museum big around in Indonesia with 100,000 of collections, that's all. Like,

all like this, it's always menmuking and not sustain. I mean, I think we're not hard, not not perna,

not really, not perna, so hard to be able something that sustainable. Because there can

there's there, there's there's there's, there's there's there's, there's got, oh, if this, kentryan that's, wellaya kentryan kameh, there's, kind of, like, not-bolead, there's two mattharry kembar. Ego-sectoral. It's still very much, I mean, this is that's even when I'mbath.

In perspective, I, this is it's, why I've, before me, evening-kally, I've been talking, it's been sure, It's the time that thebundriam, it's like we're trying, and be able to be able to be able to do not. So, what's the urgency of, he has to be able to be able to do.

First, in system angharan in Indonesia, angharan kibundayn, the portion of the most of the least in three, peddicaan, resett, and technology. Reset and technology may have grabbed anguaran that's

It's our Of course, of course, of course, Thebudaiian is this. And I'm seeing that Quebudayan that's a bit of a ceremony If there are Acara, acara, we're here, we're here, give

Upacara, and sifatara tertentoo, and the sifatheat is not wrong, but, but it's not wronged, but it's a soft power to be able to be international in Indonesia, the center of the CETOXF,

now this is like it's been able to be able to be able to be. Pugte house. Gute. But we're, maybe don't have a room of buddaya in the world. Indonesia. Maybe we don't have

Gute or CSEF version of Indonesia in France, in Japan, in Korea, Well, well, like I mean, I think I'm in realisation when I'meroyantirate

the government that's there's all, the nomenclature the newmentmentriance then it's there can be dorong from the country.

Conto man is that good? That's that's I'm puttimbang or didit I'm. I'm

I'm French Okay. The story. In France there's a the to the film, to the work of the

about the world the money, and the use of the film that, and other, funding, it's, they're able

to have a system that independent about this. That's all the other, ma'am, but I'm think,

I'm a lot of one of the country, Korea, also, Diplomasia's about that's about Lauglia. One of, I'm notherstay

one of, I'm sure, how they're able remobos Ruang Ruang Budaer Lian with the cabop that's here, this, this, this, this is this not buddaya

roots, like we're, Indonesia, but culture, it's a, pop culture that's developed the foundation's

clear, doronation, to be honest, and it's just to be honest, and this is up to where-mana-mana. They're present through film or series, but also guling in culinary in their, they're talking about

product technology their, all the same thing this, so again, I want to get that kind of food. I want to want to be dracor this kind of mea yeah,

then product it's and they're up people. BTS, for example. How powerful they're them bring impact for

the country. I'm going back to Korea but I'm going back to the perumpaman French that.

Jaminan what? If the if the culturean this is the people, that he

can't be there because of the world. Because he had in one before before you if you're like to take and see what's the restersissa is I can't know

that's like what yeah, the government and reset technology. That's like you kind of composition

that's very strong has used to mitra as partner yeah the hubungan

between two kementrian better this when the Kementria Kmendii can't Kmendii and Burdalen

things that's tupoxy the MENTRIUKBUDDUTIAN, it's also, we're going to beaupuant our own work technology that's we're doing to comegues we're going to be able that, if I'm going to say

that. So, in regulation, the MENTRIUKUKBUDAAN, he has been given WOWENANG KEMPUNK to be able to this, this

And we're not being the And agaran. That's, I think it's very fundamental. Why? Because I think about this, because I think about the past

Peelpress, the debate, president and other than other. I mean, the three calum president at the time

that was a pat-in-gazan there's-court. And that, there's a record jeack audio-visual-n-y- -sual-y-you- yeah,

and, and, it's realis-ation that's- that-the-cment- in-the-cment-e-l- is, people who's just a little.

I want to talk about it. For discussion, if it's just like, if it's just-cursus-as-cage. Dig-gabonged between respect and education.

And then-gare-a-cats-cac-cac-in-cash-a-cac-cure for the importance of thecudiaan. And, then-companment-in-ness musthifticant perpaduance and buddhae

would you be content you're puas yeah oh if that realisation yeah yeah so okay so

I think so I think so job mutelac not with percerayan can even if

even if you're even but didn't topang with the aggaran semestin then

the memberpick the The It's not It's about about how much I think I have to disagree with that. Okay, because

why I'm saying that's the question one is that when this when it's the can't have been a minister.

Now, the people can't be able power that more than now in formate dirgen, level of

the yeargen And in the deities of the december december december, maybe the target utamination, not too much highlight the goodayal, but the other than the other jettison, because it's not being unetheditary. This is. And that's why, because I'm why, because I'm not, not going to work too, So he has to beauntriant, because he has beenplixtriness, so if he has been able to beapeutusan and the bejerkiguanian

at the level of the military. So we do have our ministry of culture. And this is our minister. So it's... So the pengublehator, it will be able to... Probability pengeditaryanatirian. Yes, definitely. Tentunuch, if you can't,

certainly, certainly the people in the lembara in the world. And so to speak, hussus to comeendrient, Khebudan, I'mam, for memerex, we can't,

this is sort of, straightforward, but I think we cannot just put someone atas dasar, portion, porci, Kepartayan, Ketrelibatan, and, and, like,

it has to be someone who really understand this. Yeah. Okay. Now, back to Korea. If I'm notary to they're at least in the

because of why many people not even though people, they're going to get rid of phase.

The first is a phase that's a lot of disrupting hardware. Yeah, And, and the people people

hardware their LG, Samsung, and line other than disrupses. The second is disrupts software with canals

canals communication social, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, TikTok, and other, and, which,

and disamination information and idea. And three, the, of democracy. In fact,

there, that's bullet. democratization that's like that's robas and three attributes that's true that's the result.

Hasil, that's real. Now, what can do in Indonesia? I'm looking at there kind of for Indonesia in per run

in disrupts of hardware. I also see the endang for Indonesia in terms in disruption software.

Yeah, But, but is it's not evenalibus, or more than what's about Korea? I can't take a little bit. This is it about the position of a geopolitic, that's the same. I'm going to becha a article about how many nations'nagra that

...letarifist, let's hipit between the same and the kind of the other and the other. And this is... There's a fact that. Korea Southan,

as a example, maybe Japan was more than many different things, but also there conflict uh, the way,

yeah, conflict um, with Korea Uttara the way. the way. So,

we have to do something for our nation. Pendekatana what, what we need to get done. This is also with Singapore as a

big so-called the small, terhimpid by the other than we're that one of our

one that's that we're need to do something bigger. In Indonesia, we are a big nation the biggest not just in asian

but what, fourth largest country in the world population and come back back to the point that we do things like that is that correct but with argument

that's not there's why not there's not there's because I think I don't know if it's because they feel superior enough already? I don't know, yeah? I see, I'm going to look at a bit.

If I'm in the succession that we're seeingpillar, it's just a serendipitous. Don't remember, the year-N-N-Napitania and Korea-Slatan, that's not far from GDP per capita

Ghana. But, independently, they've gotpictusly, the people who's integrity, and can't be able to show accountability.

In Singapore, name yeah, in Korea-Slatan, in Korea-Slatan, the name is Park Chung-hee. I'm quite certain if there's

if there's it would be a different story. I would argue. Yeah. Yeah. Things could be different. Maybe more spectacular.

Maybe less spectacular. Yeah, right? So, I'm thinking, the success in Korea Southan that's the sameonged with the people. In Singapore,

I, I, I, very kind of, from the world, fromimimimuths, from being, from them. Singapore,

is, if, is, storyteller, that's sojourer that's I agree. I've seen about how we're going to be gonging. And I've seen Leukwaniu

for some of the decade that he can't projection the power intellectual that and be consultasical by the peoplepene due respective of ideology.

He'd be consultations by the people autocrasies from Tienk, namen Shoping. He'd be consultations by the democracy, the name's Richard Nixon, and

and the raja from theimort-tenah. So, it's the way that he can't projectsick can the power that's super power that's awesome. For the small to be used to be given

5.5 million manusia. Now, that is, it's a buda. Like it or not? Yeah. No, I agree. It's buddaya.

Yeah. And to the back, if you can't if you can't. as a nation with the culture

that we can back. Back again we can't we can't political will we're both we're doing

we're both we're but but irrespective of political will in domain we're in

domain we something positive. That's a storyteller. Now, there's predispositions in the massaract in the world, that in Asia Pacific,

the most jago-donging, is the people who areangued. Yeah, right? Number two, the most jago, is the people, and in context Asia-Tengara,

if you're in Beijing, Tokyo, Canberra, Washington. If you want to know about Asia-Tengara, who's called dubesingapura. Because predispositions

because of transable. Ceredas. The people can be able to beaughan, people, people, the people can't dubez Laos that's called,

Bucan, Dubeus Brunei Bucan dubeau, Bucan, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia. Why? It's that you're allong with proections

intellectual that not only done by Likwanyu but by Latinan and people around the people in the same

because they're because they're investasidae in peddican. Now, You can't bea? If you know, If you know,

about 100 people from Indonesia can be able to beaughan, about about the community international about what about,

mengen, onklung, miener tenun, on what upon, I think we could get somewhere sooner

sooner before political will there. How do you're a thought experiment? What do you think about this? I completely agree on that if we need to

have, what, um, um, um, um, um, um, people, uh,

people, who can't tell us, people, who can't be, in the language that's more than, more than the way, the English.

Yeah. Um, but, I have no idea of how can we do that without any political will. I'm doing it. Then you're the one. You're doing it. How we're majeumok-can?

We don't depend on whether or not there's political will. I'm I'm in discussion yeah, in the same as well as international, this not tergantung perman This is I'm not

I'm going to I'm saying Yeah, right? Yeah. This is not per Gup Yeah. Per Bupati Per Wali-Kota

Perman or whatever Now this, if this, if I mean, this is the line here, if you're just a good if you're just a bonus and I'm looking like

if we're strach more like we can't get people that can't be abhasa English why the English I'm not a dutte I'm biggrey but activity economy in the world that 80%

is done in the language people. Orang Congo if want transsaccy with people people Filipino not a basis Mandarin

in the Spanish, Italy, Japan, but in English. And 80% of from wisdom is under wisdom, it's documented in the language model, it's

did do you do with in English. Yeah, if we're pragmatis, we don't want be ideology, like this. We're pragmatic just. We have pragmatis just.

We have got to reprojectsicaing our culture our our culture we. Yeah, try, not 10, but 100,000

people, people inundasia, I'ma, in Asia, not 70, but 400, people can't be able to

take the lunch away from whoever has been taken our lunch. How am I, Zah? I, personally, I've never study abroad. I've never went to anywhere.

Dude, you're doing great. for somebody who has never studied abroad. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's just making sure that this is not an issue of privilege or not privilege. Because that, the, is still like that, you know,

is the same, it's not so much, I think, is. Salafarker. Salav privilege is to be something that, yeah, can, you're a privilege. Wait a minute. I think we need to see that from a different angle. It's a defense mechanism.

It's an excuse. Yes. It's an excuse, jadding. And I'm saying, that's, we're not having it. We're saying we're saying we're saying excuse. That's learning it, bequemapu, that'sh, that's about how much,

less just as much more than other things that we can do. Or, did not do it, that's another thing that's another thing that can't be able to. I'm in cubu who's been pedant that's, more we can internationalization nationalism, we're more nationalism. because

Rungarno was the clear manifestation of the internationalizer of nationalism He put Indonesia on the map, on the global map because he he's reprojectsica

nationalism and it's international and we're not there's a lesson not that's why I think I completely agree on that

side that to be able to even, what, what, what I'm a storyteller, you name it, that's about, you name it, it's just, gamelan, and, and, all the same way, that, all the same way, pragmatically, it will be more much, and it's possible, in English, to be communication and, and, and, and, there, there, there, there,

but it would be different, I don't know I'm saying. I'm more optimist with AI. If I'm a. If I'm a two, three years ago, I'm maybe be thinking could puto 20-an-tawn to make upholing people

can be communicates in international. Now, with AI, I think, five to 10 years, realistic. Because this is very much can accelerate process of laxerate.

And we've got there's a couple case that's that's in the I've got to be able to be honest I please share because maybe I'm

I'm I'm I'll surprise you I'm actually a lot more dystopian than you think I can see that already I can see that already yeah

I mean when I'm saying I I'm saying I I'm not can't bea concern

I'm about different than you especially specific how much there's a way to make sure this technology to be able

that much we're much we'd make make make sure and make sure instant to make sure

for campaign about something I'm saying I'm supposed that's conventional about

that we need we need regulations for that. you cannot just make through AI and even about okay here's our campaign, this is a lot of campaign we're making in AI Sementara there's a lot of

artists in the world of drawing, with themikira and stuff. Even through technology, drawing yeah, already packed pad and and all the people. I think these people are very valuable to be replaced with... They're at risk. And they're at risk, that's.

So, in a certain way, to a certain degree, I think AI is very helpful for a lot of cause, good cause. But another aspect, in other way, in order I think, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I think that's my take on how AI. Similarly, if I'm sorry, if I'm sorry, the same thing,

the apparent is technological hubris, even borderline arrogance. Yeah, right? So, where they're not not melibat culturalis

buddaiwan environmentalists sociologists spiritualists philosophers artists all that now

the cacherungungan this not multidisplined this this will come can make

make consequences consequences that unintended and and also malign

not benign. I'm yeah, yeah, I'm more than I'm in codependent, it's be a goodpaclinder that's more big bifficin. Now, this AI is very bobod to technology

and technologists technologists, this aggagreashmsi that they're gonna beasumcy that they're from, or for dimensions, dimensi line.

Yeah. And this is just if we're using if we're just, not just that'saughan that's about the sameis it's not-technology

yeah yeah right now it it will expose people like you I mean who knows nanty malem, besok people begin someone that looks and speaks just like you exactly

yeah who could talk probably more eloquently and yeah, right? Because it's been algorithmic-can. Now, tole-le-past from this, back-to-budaya. So,

if you're not if we can create pendonging, storyteller, the end-in-in-a- the end-in-bud-a-budda-a-an-cudairan Indonesia. I,

I, I'm, always be-pegang-teguff to-pah-pid-pani-pani-a-pani-ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccd-a- is about back backer, as a good to the other than as a lot of Indonesia.

I'm never can lie from the other human who is actually are rat-caitain with the although,

opinion, it's that will always be tabrack with something that that's if it not can't if we're going to make up to

because we're stuck with what what is this, but I always think that no our roots. as a big a bigot I'm a bigot, I always

feel sure, large, and that's life as life in the in Indonesia, it's a lot of Indonesia, and that's not to say, I'maughbudad and other, oh, we're just burbudia, it's not, it's not that.

It's the roots, the foundation that you you hold on and you believe it. I think I think I'm notting that's going to make to the end up the goodytaxiaan he will be able on one of the

kind of talking about alut sista and other but butahannan budalah that can perquat we as a subabangsa it's I believe in it we're going to talkinant pangan

and the core, the main foundation of all that is the human puttahua. I'm just too. Because we're talking about petani who are here this, like to encodecottenam with the kind of the same way that's the same thing, maybe one day, if we're having many more errors to the technology, these are the people that we're depended on.

they're they're real skill that's traditional that's still in certain they're still they know how to deal with this limitation unlike people like me maybe

who's been put upar with all the kind of technology that's big technology that's why it's not what to deal with this Yeah. I'maqat.

I'ma. How do you want to try to beaqaexisting buddaya with unsure perfectionism? How do you think we can do it? So, so if anyone, in profession, it's more buddaya

with unsure perfectionism. Like what we're sacksikykan. Anguplehapleh, Angupef, this is with a lot of This is something that's positive. If you don't agree, it's positive, then we don't have to discuss this. If we're sure,

berasumcy, that perfectionism could be positive for society and for our own, how do we do that? Mubiccarakening, sir, sir, back to petan.

Back to petan. If you, if the petan, productivity 20t per hectare but puttani in Thailand should be reproducing 14 to 15 to 15 ton per hectare

can be that petanis in Thailand that's up unsur perfectionism is more than in Sragen now how

for people in Sragen it's been aspiration to be able to be able to make uptivitance from 18 or 15

or 15 to. Yeah, this is very interesting. I spoke a few months ago with someone that's something that it's just a bit more than sub-you-lawful

if there's technology and the ability that can't make-mugue you can't more productive in making the pan-in-a the, the answer of you? The answer of you is,

I'm in-cinty-a-a-a-a-luck-a-luck-a-luck-a-lacquare because I'm not, but I'm uprookure but the way of the last now, that's like this it's very much very much more than I'm trying to

this essenceiness to kind of kind of like to say it's very what yeah this has been influence that I'm good enough to

my own that really that's not all it's true to looker lewet by the end up but there

a process, where where she's she's overcame, he's downed traditional, he's just like that, she's happy doing it.

She's more than happy doing it. And if it's even with timbal back, where you can be more productive, but I can't be more productive. Yeah,

that's, you can't bring I think, I think, that's value a lot. Nourique. Yeah. Artic. In fact that context it's the power of preservation. It's more than thaning can't innovation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But, you know, but you also have been a pat pat pat upon that for maybe other, we're more than we're more than can't. Yeah. Back again.

Yeah. So, topical or sectoral or dimensional. Yeah. Yeah. Same as perforcianism. I was just

cuck up karepically categorical as a person you're too perfectionist. I'm saying, because two perfectionist, okay, I'm going to say, okay, where's like,

that's like, that's like, but in the way, but in the other, I can't be munker, you know, for me, for sure, sir, for me, for me, to be able to be usyia 20-tahoon, but I'm not able to detach I'm I'm from perfectionism

that's about I'm back I'm sure I'm sure with all the flaw and the kirkurangainginging that I've never imagined because in the blackang I'm backer I'm

there's got I'm going to have I'm back maybe as a locomotive so I cannot just think about myself I have to think about at that time about my brother, how to make a better living for them, how to create more sustainable life,

who I don't want to predicts, I'm malice, I'm malice, I'm predixie, but I can't even think of course, I can't thinker that the value that, there's in my life,

and I'm, and I'm not, if people, if someone, and people just to look at it as much I'm taking care of, I'm right. There's a lot more a good way that's

a good leaptive and like that would inspire someone. Thank you. Noric. With great power comes great responsibility. Right.

Right. You've, I've got to be acting in out. I've. but...

but I'm... but... ...to put an agent stay for a year don't think I have the capacity to do it. But I wouldn't mind to audition like online audition

or there can maybe get to with agent certain to I would love to do it. But to go there, and stay. wow,

I don't think, I can do that. while upon when you're adeptan when Jennifer Lawrence. Oh, if you're doing project yeah, yeah,

I'd like to do it. I would love to do it. But, I mean, for like, people always say, oh, Reza, you have to go there, you have to go, for example, you go to L.A. Oh, for audition. You stay for a year.

or six months with a certain visa. Stay there. There's like this name, you can stay there, find an agent and like and other. Try your luck audition here and there. I don't see you as that person. You could be the Sharukhan of Indonesia.

Sharukam is can choose to live in LA two days or two Yeah, right Yeah. Because Yeah. For meantaner by

yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to give you big head, but I think you could be the Sharukkana of Indonesia. I mean, others could also.

Yeah, right? Yeah. I think you're at that level. Gigla, you've been, uh, uh, uh,

uh, maybe than 70 film. Uh, why have to makeir, I'll audition again. Yeah, right?

Yeah, to thinker. Prospects how this is tough. I'm justaure parisites. Squid games. We could do that.

But the way that cornyokin from sutradarer, producer corporeation and somepamongue

to panting. Massive. And, And soap to make up until they dream works. There's a partion. I've been put duduked at Comite Oscar as a member of selection.

When I was did ducasca to include to be jury selection film Indonesia, which will be given. I don't know. I don't think so we're going to come on with this.

Because when we have Roma, film Roma, the best foreign language, even in category tactics like, it's, it's,

it's, and, the support financial that's very very big. Absolutely. This is publicity work. Absolutely.

So you cannot just make a good film and expect ah, I'll, it'll be there. No. film film, has a new strategy

to be able to be able to come to Oscar. Because if you have to make dinner, cocktail party, yatouin some academy,

um, Agatha Academy to vote for you, mempromote film you, republicasically film yeah, because,

I'm, yeah, if, if, if, award season, Oscar, to,

baliho, Baloo Besar, for your consideration. If we cannot do that, I don't think we ever going to achieve that. In your lifetime? No, in my... wadu. You being a perfectionist.

If there's someone who support that, maybe we can do that. Because if if you're going to m'amonging film, we do have a good film. We do. No doubt. I mean, I told you, if we've told you, if we can't do anything better, there is no way we can't do anything better. We absolutely can do better.

Beyond the shadow of a doubt. Patita said, how much massifed Korea, penetraising their to have a spotlight, even at the festival festival so much festival, special not can't be able to make up, they

have their, they know this is the amount of money that I can bring to the table, but this is what I deserve. So it's either you gave me this kind of recognition or I'm going to take all the money. So it's up to you. Doesn't it make it doesn't it diminish the artistic value proposition?

It just underlines the transactionality of... We cannot lie there is transaction there. But it, menorrhous to say, not medagradation, because it's really hard to be partonged by. Ibaratness, without that, this is it also can't. But, upaca the way this is down.

I don't think so. They're making Acara And then how much of the cariburian market This is our table That's what we have on our table That's awesome, sir. You know, I'll bet you a donut

In your lifetime, we'll be won't Oscar. Amin. Oh, wow. I feel it. And you're still young. Waddu. Thank you, we ta. I was like to denger.

You can claim the bet if and when we win or we don't. What other, Reza? What else? Yeah, I guess that's already, not quite, not quite deep. I'm gregory and make uptrikan we're nothery can't care

this is a lot of and be correlations with capacity to make a depend on buddhaia and innovation technology that can't be anaktirican

and this this is manifestation in marginal productivity we productivity. We have productivity. It's only $25,000 per hour per year for money and jasa.

Dibandingingan Singapore, di-atastus-d-dollar, PR-Kita, is still many. If we're not, investations in technology, innovation technology, we can't be able

to increase productivity. If we're not we can't make up productivity, not know, intuitively, I'm not sure we can't the because

because of the technology with intellectualization intellectualization to to compasic it to project us to project I'm

I'm if if you if investasy in innovation technology I have no

um um about that, but that's back back again, that I'm saying, that's the part of our car our cultured that is a car to be able

to be able to optimale can, what I've said, about, the, um, the, um, the, um,

innovation in, um, technology and, and, this, this is more optimal when the roots, the core belief

as a buncha as a bit more than it's it's putenuhy arting it's derog there's been many lines line that progress that's not

I don't know I always I'm optimistic with that we're talking about we're talking about kestraan we're talking technology and like other than the other than the core we're quite as a lot as our own

the kind of we can just we can move further that's what I'm saying if I'm sure if it's if the car the quat the the water is more

and more than more manifestation as far as multidiscipline in multi-dimension and spaket and not we can't we can't think we can't even think

That's why I hope through our conversation. I really hope that anybody out there will start to think about, I don't know, spending your time, not too much, start from five pages a day, read something. You should trumpet that. I'm going to jump at Jumvir Balik. I, if I, if I, I'm going to ask, I'm going to be able to do. book one week

the last what? Mm-hmm. Who's book one last year? Who's the book?

Six months last finite. That's not quite because they're trapped

with noton something that durations only 30 detic. I'm

not here. Why, in other, people who are people general, rather than they're about about,

storytelling. Evening, even whenceritka about it, and, like, about it. He's about

about it. He's mampu. Because of the storytelling that's from the little. We have to have it.

And, quite, and, with don't, and, and, and, other. Tiber

I've got to see there's something that there's a bitabotus. There's beenang that tibut, not s'gapest, or putus, even, extreme-ne-put-put-us, that's. What's made, yeah,

that's kind of the time it's, is a communduran, see, I'm in that in love in love in love even though I'm not even

I'm not even though buty that's the time before more more and the time now not there's not I don't have

I don't have I don't have data only but but it's there's there's there's

no we can get information from TikTok two three minutes we got a lot of information correct I mean, I mean, I mean, but it would be nice if you dig more.

Because I think that's the beauty of it. Dig more. If you know something, you think you know. Or you know. That two two things berth of beda but I say, so on it. You think you know. You know these things. I think those that are going to be listening to this episode, some may

convert some. I have that belief. I think you can help in displacing the assumption of scarcity of wisdom. That's the way that we're long-backed with bigiacxanaan. We're with with with the it's get used to but it's

this is incremental right this is right this this is and I have a keyakinan

intuitively that if we're like we give up that perfectionism in you

that doesn't want to give up the pyramid was built by an optimist not a pessimist

I think I'm quite proud to say I hardly give up on something. Yeah, yeah. Keep at it. Okay. Thank you, Reyes.

Thank you so much. It's a pleasure, but really. Sama, same. Pleasure. Teman, it's that Ressaradian. Thank you.