Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Rocky Gerung: Darurat Pengelolaan Ide dan Etika

Episode Date: December 29, 2021

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Humanuant is the ability to make of fictsia. Now, bah, if we're being able to make sure that people are going to be a solution to here. Oh, no, solution that's in the way of your to be in fact that's about being abstract. That's the intellectuality, medalli electability. This we're talking in the country Wakanda, not the...

This is... This is N-GAYN. Today, we're a bit more than Rocky Grung. Bro, Rocky, thank you. Thank you. ...elamat with a number of questions like a bitisanae,

we'reaweirawan. We want to do see, maybe we'll start with COVID, this is quite very good, the development, on the vis-asinace, and the

back-upon-and-skel-in-a- idea of the COVID, There's a lot of the same. There's a lot of optimistic, there's a lot of optimist. There's a lot of COVID, muncule comealyzed idea of humanism, or post-humanism,

so that's all that we're going to pullehm again. But people don't think that in a way that's social, there's an upay to reinventing our humanity, solidarity. But if we look at the scale, the scale the scale the same thing that's

that's even growth, because there's that there's going to be quick. There's that, okay, economy can be able to beaumann format it. Not like growth, but it's going to be it grows, with assumption, the socialsman manusia human's the world of the world.

But that's again, again, we can make a project in two years to the time, still will be able to be able to be able to, so before people come to be able to be able. So, so I'll see how much. I look like that. Maybe sector business,

some sectors, certain, can't live more than the other than after after after we're still we're still with the risk of baru. That's not because of COVID, but it's because of the panama of the world three, then people think about what is this thing called humanity?

Philosophical question that, we're aware of it. Okay. But if I look at this, it's from the economy, many, many people that are from the micro-bago that's quite good. It's not able to make sure

can't make sure that we're not able to make sure that's especially digitalization or virtualization that they're to placid. Yeah, right? To play set in case temporary or to placet in permanent. Oh, do.

Now, it's kind, maybe to be able to be able to be able to sector And I'm not quite, that's probably that's the prospect to be able to beauburned to the same thing. And that will be a impact to humanity or to manusiaan or

the society, or, and how about it? Now, this, how about it? The government has always ternacle with prorexies, project that.

So, we want to help on the people of the for the way to the way to work for the up one of the way that in what's the curve of k that which is a exponential tumbled because of technology digital

and which is actually exponential because it's not be protected by the because of the country. So, in the situation, that's the other that's called Weber State that, kind of, the critic's I, If we're in a country, musty-mustra-an, musty-can

accumulation, but we're doing distribution, right? Right, corporeation, always be thinking accumulation, too. And the country has-asurer can make sense public that the result of accumulation social. So, so, it's a theory that's just a good way that's the only way. But, sometimes in the country, he makes public policy without basis social policy, that, that's it's just the gap

and we've got to make sure that the idea of human rights, uh, to the people, so that's, if we're using, if we're just, there's a question of Indonesia,

there, can't be a few years, or, 2007, if the idea about welfare state not be judged, by the same thing we're having COVID, So, because of COVID, the yes, it's been a lot.

That's the big thing. But this is not unique to Indonesia. Yeah. Many of the world of the world in the world, that's democracy. If I look at the end of the world, This is this is definisiccate as can-a-can-can

bebebasan-beasance-beaterpicka that's amplification algorithm how, in the negasas in a country-democratis that America SRIK, that's platform of the garingan social-digital,

and, ... Marasas-in-a-can with the bencian, and, and everything, that's as a big of the beabasan berbiccara.

But it's not bejaga, not did not beinat and not neutralizeer with info info more biggson or that's how that's how that? This, this,

two days LP3S, the maga Prisma, to make research with the research, you know that that's the time

over two years product democracy we justro by gumpalangy gumpalant gumpal of the business and political. So,

so la olad, did dorong for the people but then at the ujum, decagach, misal, the presidential threshold.

That, that's kind can't. so-as-sus-sac-sci-who-whal-y-y-hap-y-y-hap-y-you-pally-pac-pulling who, who's-pulled-pulled, so, so, there, is that set-a-legalance structural from the idea-democracy, that's not a-soil, but, as long as he men-du-pennu-pid-law, it's-hallangy-allang-alleged-alleged-old-old-to-dec-old.

...-cosososososososos, but it will be able to the end up to the because it's just like a cal-acal-aclan politic. So, it's still to look, maybe in the world of the world, that COVID-inni, it's just to make sure, to make decadmocracy, that.

Now, in Indonesia, can, the idea now, from, from the year, that perpanjana the time of the president, because because of the president, because it's because of COVID. Then we hear again,

the staffed PLT, governor of the area 287 that's only the president through the minister,

in the country. Now, if we're saying, yeah, PLT, the plactana tugas in the case not not even did do not make sure, he must be tutu but if I'm just tocue.

But if I'll becha it, That's two-half-year-year-old. So, imagine-backer democracy, two-and-half-time-pom, the people-pimping dairrean, that's part of the time of the time. Five-tenth-a-half-half-pom, from the people, from the company.

So I'd bea-half-a-old, he'd beckon phoenixing, he'd be able to rampe in the area for two and two years. Mingu first, mingue first, the one of the other, then for the other,

for the sonnaker. So, this is potency corruption, because he's not having legitimacy, but the people say, yeah, how can't make, make, make,

make a kautak-soara because of krumunan. You're gampang bettut, make it just online, you'll belajah online, why do you know can't beul not even. Back on,

So on. So on the things, that's conyled, the people are delircation, but two-sett-half-tawn we're going to be imping by 287 of the area that not

the people. Where are the theory democracy that can make-enar-tac-smachy that's like that. That's one, that's one, observation. What I want to try to

take again, this, observation, how, technology, This is very much has been to to goyang the samebangan

in what, yeah, upyagued democracy or in the law of democracy. Amplification algorithm to make medalleng narrations that's not sehat.

It's just terjade demy they're making the end uptunctuant platform digital this. This, this, can,

If you're not to see if I'm not take care about if they're not going to be able to be able to be able to be able to neutralize the surasuror that's not bad. Yeah, but but the silent majority that's not the same majority that's not being able to be chasmuchery, although they're maybe, this can we back to the omonging our ownings our how we have to be a democracy,

or to democratization, not only information. Yeah, that's right. It's not only about it. We just we can't do it. We can't even technology to make up to the public to come in Parliament.

But, but, the quackuasan it, always to intip the part of the more than the the word of democracy is the result of the fabricated

that's in the in the 80s and it's already did detects by Noem Tomsky professor mathematics from MIT who who Manufacturing Consent, that so.

So, the pedapart public it's in manufactures, in fabrication, now, now, It's more than the amplification because of the algorithm. So, so it's just to be arrahackan.

If we can, let's just say that that's the phone that in the in the other, we can use that, to the other voice that in unspeakable, but then it just not just not it's not, that. Handphone, I'll back in the back in the

Pakistan, I was from Bangladesh, The phone is used to make people people with using Bytecée, why, the camera that's from the area slum, you know, then we look. If the quality of the bad, it's badgered,

it's a class-bawatt. So, the government, with the muda, that, not really surveyed. Kirim people to know that the area that's is still, man. So, must be it must be able to make sure, technology to spread that's now that's the

he can'talika public through the public then monitor the public then it's being bombardier with algorithm to, so that's to make a name, one figure, that

and there's not no facility, even, and other, other, sofuscation technology, because this sophistication technology

so much, It's not going to help you know, you know, you'll go to try to talk. If you look at the moment, the time, the same is to make up to letacken the power in the hands of the people. Okay.

Yeah, but, but now... Power in the hands of many. Yep. But, now, power in the hands of the few. That's about that's about in the war on the right now, this, if I'm in order to be plajari and be sikapy and maybe one of one of the sudut that can't make up to what, yeah,

the rank of regulation to be technology. Now, point two that you've got, how we've, to, is surveil. Surveillance, that's been done to do with a lot of us. I'm okay okay, for the importance of the people, Peningattingenicateran, Penteenths, and...

Penedalian criminalities, you know. But surveillance also can be can do not be able to be able to be able to the people and surveillance upon the government. Chengli, can, if that's, if we can, so we can't make check. Now, if this is only way just, and the de-seatera-can,

or redistribution of the de-segateran, it's maybe be residiki, more than. So that's a phenomenon that in the years of 18 was, it's been around the people of about the power elite,

but then, in the era, the capability to control elite is because of the power is true because of the power isle that's because of the people are we're going to control elite but there's a lot of the the noticement of the so that the election

be better with decision it yeah we can't control but in the process of the in the people of the politicality, that's not even know, can't even know, like rumours of much, such things like,

such as well, just to end up the importance, so, that's the control of, that, because I think that if

if democracy is still on electability with assumption democracy, there's there, the government,

and for the ability, the can't, The democracy is the government of reason. Through the government by the people. So, to the before we must have to campaigned, electability is that in the last-al-can,

or I'll have to be more positive, intellectuality has to be the electability. So, someone who wants to be president, he electability is determined by the ability to be think In the in the world, in the If you're more than that's more than that's more than If you're in the right Populism is very,

because he's going to endangue to be able to and that's been the way to be able to be able to because it's the algorithm, because feudalism, because of the gearing of the figure, not been to do not even to do you to the ability to

Now that's the new generation of the new to make sure the Americaneroy in Indonesia, intellectuality mendahului electability. That's that we can

campaigning, through talk show, and through podcasts, so much, so, to make up up people who able

to think in fact that that, can't be being conceptual, they just look at APBN,

the APBN, the big of the project, it's allot that. He's not even hitung the of the other than the environment, trade-off with social justice, that's not been it. That's the important Gita Wiriawan School of Government.

You've already, that's been going to like that. Yeah, because that's the curriculum don't. But, but, gini, you know, the end-ugue-of-you-can the community-lossing

to be mrs. Yeah. Yeah, right. I'ma with you, populism, or popularity is not same with governance. Okay. Yeah, right?

Mm-hmm. But, um, to build intellectuality, Mm-hmm. In the key, the people, it's also,

that's also, that's always that. That's, I think, I'm a lot more than you, yeah, right? Yeah, right?

Yeah, right? Right. Right, right? Yeah, that, So, I know, I know the goalcar institute. Right, right now they're going to be able to get a good school. We're going to do. Sure to do you.

Yeah, I'm going to say, I'm going to do. Don't just get a goalcar institute it just to recruit the people of goalcar. It's not going to be it. Because of the people who must have a competition. So, so, even there may be a lot of the institute,

all the people who are there's going to be there in the district. So, so Giacar, made sure, as a facilitator just for competition. Now, now, not be that. Before, the Kishore, had moved to Jokoevati,

so. So, people are thinking, this is what the academic to make up to make sure leader. If you're puky-pugian,

meducing, and, so, so, I can't, think, I can't playangin, that will, not can't

give them, but will result-to- dealer, like, because the The kishore is a good But I'm a good guy who's a lot of kishore.

I know that, I'm a part of it. I'm going to becha the shor this. But the question of our, why, he, can musty, we can imagine, he has a academici, he must be tanned

the termant to. Tungu the time. If he gives a school umu, not the Gawakar in there. But now, they're the genealogic.

And you, that's what I'm not read to. So, when I'm going to ask you know that it's not possible, people get started, the methodology perficer,

or, like, he's diplomat, must be makingucus genius, that. And, justro, is,

um, supan, so, so, Jokui, so much, and then, then,

so, so, so, so much, the, the unthinkable, that must be we must be we, I'm not about about in the

Professor Kishogne. He also about Professor Kishogh. Yeah, I've also on the show of my. Yeah, I've got to. Yeah, so we've got to. Now, we've got to gobrecy. Yes. Yes. Now, we've got to get technology.

Okay. Now, this, if I've gottin, this, can, is more pesat, the and the accelerations the change is more than the more than more than the more than

more than the more than acceleration the margin of error is more than getting, we've got in in a few hundred years this, this is the

this maywate trial and error. It's been the error error it's too maybe the world's the world two. Colonialism, yeah, right? How super power,

certain, can resistsati the power that's more than more more than, maybe, this, technology. Because I've got to get it, derivative one and two it, will be making the more,

the margin of erroring is much more than room for error, that's more great, but the error that's going to be colossal than what we can see more than what we can be colossal,

really. If we can't, if we can see a science, if we're going, if we're going of Copernican to Newton, that,

yeah, scalalany, just two hypotheses have been a bit little. From Newton to Einstein, it's more than it. From Einstein to, what do you? Physica, what do you know,

physical... Yes, Stephen Hawking, that's... That's, it, that, because in the in the down there's about multiple universe, that. So, it's more gyrrower to a new thing, the more than the more than the more than the more than it is more than that we can't look at least, if we can't get

be able to be able to some kind of ethics, stem cell, that's exponential, l'pattancell. But in America, there's sysm to make the same to take the system, there's a system. But the lembaga, it, then, not be a result, because the doronging extrapolation, And so muchikin can't people to try aetist

not controlled. People are to Singapore, Pinded to China, research stem cell. Now, we look at it as a problem in the realm of it. So, how do you know how much methodology to,

let's say ethical assumption and so that's the kind of a new-nameanical, eugenics, eugenics, eugenics, it's that, so we can look at, so technology, there's a percepatan, but error that, not that, not that's not provoked

catastrophe, that, like in the percibly eugenics from that you can't. Now, this is a kind of because it's a certain because of the world because of the people not really I can't make

the commutern of the computer I can't ulyk, one of the room of chemistry so, so it's, it's more more than

the in the in the world, in the he's frustrated, he's frustration, he's not counter-metodoo-

-metodoo-a-any-and-a-a-lawed, So much, so that's the way that's right, we're going to be called, then, and we're trying the art of the book suci that can't make up technology. That's also in the way of the way of the thinking, right? Now, the fact that's,

he's got to be able to beaubstensity, must be it's going to beaitherto. So, the other people know that, okay, Indonesia has a key, that's not just you pamirin perusacking habitat.

Now, now, if you're just to be it, that's what the other than you can give a warning hour, you know, some kind of, this is a bit of a strafielo, that's the fact that's not there, and we can't look, we can't know how,

We don't know how much there's a global ethics that's been given by two, three universities bermutu but it's controlled by public. Because we always we need to make, so that Frankenstein not

did in the laboratory, that's what we can start to mulling Indonesia can be the first, the way of the first, to make-halsil can genis peritance of ethics. But that's also I ragged,

Because of the brain, the body research, innovation, national, is the lasting President Jokowi, and bebaned penitian to bring in megawattah as a leader of the Uyghurans, to make a basis of Pancashila. That's a bit of achaip. So, it's a bit of the basis of Pancashila.

So, how do you? So, I'm going to justifi-justification. I, see, I mean justifications, if that's about Pancasila, the adilat, social, and, that's there's a good thing. Yeah, the other than the other. Yeah.

But what I want to ask is, how, the war of the two, that's polarization, and two cub, yeah, German and secutu. Two-dou-two, two-douan-doing, I'mongang the capacity technology, but two-doag-doin,

the idea is that there's a bit of a bigayan with a scale that's great, I'm afraid that's the time, it's not too deterministic, yeah, right? Yeah, not even we're to plung in corridor which, which, which, is sacral and will be good.

But if there are two ideology, or two ideas, idea that's the other than technology that's can't be a miscarotrophic. That's error that, that, I think, that is that's because of the point that's because because of ambioury, not because

the cutatjama of methodology, so so, it's just the purpose of the because it's the people that's the other so, so, so, so, so, so in the community science,

it's, the other than they're quite but only one people who are good competitive, not collaborative, miring that. And it will be error

the perennelian technology and that's not, not, not, if we can't theory theory physics that that's that

that's written by Thomas Kuhn, the theory paradigm, paradigm, paradigm, that paradigm, revolution in the methodology, that's about.

So, that's about Michael Popper, adjuking, that's called tentative solution, that. At that we don't never medugue that the

disoinging of the dung by ideology, that's right after the during the Second, we're in the technology that

technology that that, and that's that, research of NASA, in the Roosevelt, and then Roosevelt, so that's actually, still,

even to bebujews by Albert Einstein, so that's not making a project nuclear, but gagged because Roosevelt in a the condition of lumped, maybe more than the military-industrial complex. So, it's true, the war of the two that that's actually

competition technology sponsored by ideology, it's catastrophic. That's the point. Now, now we can't even think that in Indonesia, that I'm talking about, IbuMega is important as a psalis but he still

a person ideologue, the ideology, the two party, that's the that's the bad thing, so, Don't give mega. I'ma can't be able to sounding board just, don't mean the company research.

Because he will be able to see the way. This is about a little bit more than there's a small brin. I'm going to make aikmaheer. That's it, if you're not in the place in the place that's in the bestown technology, it's going to bejaxana. So I'm going to defend that. the main that's the people that's if you're doing good,

in aeology, in a way, yeah, it's justin' okay. Yeah, right? But from the first, brain, then,

what's the people, that's the bureaucracy. Yeah, yeah. Okay, that's... Not the laboratorium. Yeah, this, this, bro.

Okay, I want to take to technology. Yes. This technology, this, this is derivative one and two is more than, yeah, right? And,

how we can control perubhan perubhan, for the good one and good-beyechan. Yeah, right? Now, you, if you live in abat the 10, Diband you in the 7th, the other than 3,000th years, yeah, right, in 3,000 years,

but now, with the way that you can't make suretacresan artificial, how you can re-recaresaerneron your, how you can't recalayaecese, how you can re-recais cell and code genetica you. Maybe in 20-30-t-tallon, manusia, it can be a species

which is the delta in the period of 30 years, in 3,000, between about 7 and 10. Now, this uncontrollable, can? Erroring more much more than. I'll explain it, that we can't, uncontrollable, because we think, as we're anthropologists,

we still in there, 20-tawn to the time. But, but it's very much, it's the era post-human, So it's like the world Why can't the other human being there's always like a human being like that. But we're just as well as

if we're just as well we're just just as much more than we're just more, more than more, it's more, the back inherent in our psychology our. But I'm not that, especially in a calangamah.

Right, that's just can't be able to if the status of the human's a permanent. But actually, per-hary of this, manuosite is not permanent. Paral of our body it's been bionic, actually.

Handphone we're in the canong that is not something external, it's internal. To AI. Yes. And it's a big of our life that. That's maybe, so if I'm just a some of posthumannism,

we must have to chitil, mental, to remember fact that the era of the other than the long as well as well, it's going to be it's going to beaacquence with the keyakinan and silacturna y'amahosa. But for the sceptan be sure we should be sure. I know we're just making emasksed effect

the people of agamas, but only. But if we're not, I'm not sure. Because the perubbaughan it's more accelerations and the more accelerations is making, because we can't control destiny our Oh, that's right. Yeah, right? Yeah.

Like, like, lagoonia, like, Mary, or Destiny Child. Right, right. Now, now, you know, if you're going to beca book of physical, that's tangy-angy, yeah. The last, Minkio Kaku, can, he, too, menarasical, that in the time, maybe, 5,4, 100, years to the

you can replicate neuron your that's used to download to computer and it's been projectsically to Mars in three minutes through laser beam

in there until in receiving station did download again neuron it and then projectsica to do you own and you don't

need to take a person to Mars to get to get to yeah yeah yeah

yeah you know you who you like that planet Mars, it's around, lopat, then, then, they're back again,

neuron it, upload to your brain, you've got to be able to world, you've ever to Mars.

Yeah. That, okay, that's, but the delecky I'm not to know. That's from there,

there, people want to get people who people, than people than, that, people,

maybe, people, people, not, we can, we hitun, energy what we can,

that's in the spirituality so that's the metaphysics that's what's been didalilkian English that Capra, feature Capra who, that's that's actually that's actually that

but when that he didn't imagine that technology we can beamed to with the with the power and then the amplification

every-cali-a- and we have have been to Mars, now that's the way that's that's about the technology that's be beam to Balihho, Balahua Parthai. You've just been thinking Mars, this, the government,

we've got to be thinking, massang Baliko, it's, can, it's achaip, so. Why, it's been in HAPE, just to beam to the HAPE. It's just going to be able to HAPE. And now,

in Baleh, when I was in screen ATM, that I saw that there was, I'm popping up, so. Yeah, well, it, but that's, must be I'm going to be able to pass on Mars, that, so, so, why the wadjain he is in ATM, B, R, B, N, and this, this is a single-a-can-you-knowed. This is interesting, this. This is, I'm going to try to like to technology,

because I, I'm not quite, I'm not quite. So it's the screen time in the 8 to 8 to 9 jamb. Unique, can't? Ajaip. And I'm kind of, because of 8 to 9 hours. People are like to beacarant just, they're both, look at the other, not looking at one or the other. Yeah, right? Now, now, if you're bandinging in the time of the war dingin,

And then-due people, people to depot agent-a-gain to detects to monitor perilaku of people. They're, they're like that. They're, like, g-gare,

but now, people are to be decency because he'd be deprecke. Apalagi, even more than he'd ha'et hapain's, the more than privacy, data,

and, scalany, it's, they'd cro. Yeah, right? Now, that's ironic, that'sa, that's with reliance, to be able to monitor, can be surveil. Yeah, that was called,

the phone, though, was called, what, the name, cell private, right? Yes. for the phone if you know if the phone online

what name is he had in the book in the book one can't see the yellow pages yeah right then they're

to be private but justro that private it's not did not dmitmati because he's

I must upload status my in Instagram so so he bachorin it right right

that that's that that that's that technology surveillance that, by Pegasus that, he's agasch, he anged that Apple

can't, why we're bongar, even even the phone not yet, he can sedate data, now, so on some of it, that's a diffurcation, it's the,

man, d'Aid a bit more, to be a person in the condition private but there, there's got a goda-and to mamer can. So, technology of the

and over-assay autonomy we can. That's what's the evolution of technology that's external, he's bechokol in the core self-kut. And then we're all right, technology is about our kind of our

technology that's not, you're going to be able to for a part of technology that. That logic's not. So, so. So technology has the o-tackeners-and-an-a-an-anusia

for the technology has been long long time, technology has to have comepuneration melampauy the other than the same. Now, we all are posthumanists. You know, not? This is, if I'm not in, the majority of the world,

from the city of the people, not from the way, it's from, it's still in the country If you're going to be able to be it's If you're going to be it's a new ideology. One, ideology open source, one other ideology close-source.

The open-source, is aggap, Android, more more affordable for people who who live in the country be able for-eastern. If you're close-source, iOS. Apple. You have to buyer. with the data you're more safe, right?

Yeah, right? Now, this, can, we live in a new-negara-beamang, majority, can, may be able-billin's, he, niscay, will be in the corridor open-source that more-murra. It's more rentan,

can, for perfor-en-rown-data. ...smacin-retan for them, to, yeah, not-bis-mach-and-all-d-d-pac-moh-d-pake-ed. the law, to do you know, that's how much, that's the way, and before we before we can't even

that's a middle income trap, that's, that's actually, that's, that can't be exposed with kerentanan of the power of technology. Yeah, it's,

that's, for the good-uncting that open-source, not marketing just. Yeah, can, social, yeah,

and, like, and, can't be able to big data, so much that. But if we can't even-source that potential to be intip by intelligent, I look at the other than... Intelligent that, he, do you know, who's in-tip, that justro, close-source, because people know why it's not it's not.

It's the way that's the way to begasus. Pegasus, not but it's not bad-sourgreens, it's not so. So, it's in-in-pac-pac-y-gamping. Yeah, yeah. But more than more than the more than in the room that's more than in-tip. Than that's the other than in the sauna. Okay, this is the topic

of the next. You've got to be a two-called on the consangu. Yeah. Yeah. If you look at the senjana, it's more than, and in context of the senjana,

this I'm going to be on-upic luck or hockey. Yeah, right? That's variable, that. Hockey is more correlation with where you're like you,

right? Yeah, right. If you're in the place where your, your more mrs. He's more can't know in the school

in the school. Okay. if you in school when you're lo-loss, you're still to be modality-in' too to be business. Business you're bankrupt, demodalin'lain again. Then, if you're not-cate, or what,

demodalin, too, for doctor. Or, even, it's, it, too, with artificial intelligence, biological intelligence. Now, that's... Nose job, face-lift. And financial job, and physical job, and intellectual job.

Now, it's more than... ...the have some of the have nots. That's how much. That's in the 60, there's a person who's carloos, who... ...that research about what is called culture of poverty, so... ...so there's a goodaumuday of the miskinan.

The person is... ...aver figure is a miskin. because it's more of the more than the more because of the way to make more than, so it's more than, there was a critical that, yeah, yeah, but we don't think that

that's because of culture, but it's because of structure. That's the other critical economy, that where there's structure exploitation, there is there there's a comminganan. That's a perkemungan-barrow. But now, technology is papas,

because there's just people who are who's just people who are just because of the but he's bhaugia so that the whole of the welfare that's not even being hitung by the index of happiness so that's that the plan that's beenclican so that millinials,

our, what's what I'm going to say I'm going to buy branded product They're on Instagram, they're from Instagram, the other than in the other than in the other than inlandia, they're promoting that for the people in Brazil. They're going to tuckershan banjo, so as if the product is,

because for him, for buying a bagu, he's going to hitung, if he'd buy one of the device, if we're making, that means that we're making, that's, and it's 3,000 per cent on

the one gene, That's not yet to have been in the same. We have to be cutie to doce. But, that's not even though. But the hitonant is in millennials. So they always think, more better than Greta Thunberg from President Trump

more better better than to think of ecological from the government, from the So it's a millennial, right? So if that's the consequence of the all of the uquera-aggregat about disparities, you must be hiting-ulang-cal parameters.

If we're going to gini-racio, what's what, what's the generation national? We're looking at this one in sento, we're making genital between the people of sentul in there, and the denser in the deserts in this, which is the same,

different Chalapagin with the people from the people from the in the near to, the same to, so, actually, so the generation is the local, and with that, and with our people,

the pain of the people, there's suffering, that we can't, that's the point, it's the, it's not, not just, being,

the, every time, upacra, And that's a generation to think about that's about the That's true that's true That's corrective to be corrective That's true Yeah, right

And that's how we can democratization Yeah, that's the So, so, So, how there's a trowonging to Arapod that which is facilitation by the country Sop that I can be anguited to beaunged

Meloing that Go to the regionation is more So that's like that's about Mathematic, it's been to be hitung, but but but, but, but, it's not going to be able to that's about, that's bad. That's right,

I think, nation building, that's from the down. Not from outside, right, this, this, if I look, how we can,

we can, like, when I was going to go school, that's the fact of competition. competition, but if you're

when you're not young young, it's been indoctrined in the capital of their, that's when you, if you're going to success, you have monopolistic. Yeah, can? And monopoly, in context. I'm going to be it, when you go.

I go to Silicon Valley, yeah, but there's not a social networking platform number two, just one. Not there's marketplace number two. just Amazon just one. Search engine number two, you're not you know, you know, that's that's that's been up in the menack

young who are now who are going to be entrepreneur. I, if you're going to be a monopoly. Now, that's nabraq, right, with free will. Free will for to be a competition that's competition that's superna. Now that's not only

be in space or domain entrepreneurial, but that's been jolar to dimensions of the other, including politics, termasue, terms of social, and, like, so we're being

we're used with concept that monopoly idea, monopoly, in space, whatever, that is norma that we have to

This is the to be cancengen, so that is to corrective, so that's been sponsored by some kind of ethics individualistic, that's, that's the same thing of capitalism, that's spirit of capitalism is competition, that

because that, not be there's one one of a subpoly that's but long-lomer, but long-laped too, because I'm going to think about, meninkir-kind-in-law people, it's a lot of to be able to success. Now, public ethics this must be

that you've got that you're making, but you're not banged to something because of dopey, that thing that's same, now, the millionials, it's, and two, if they're too much, he's going to keep in the end,

he'sinkirked-kered, but he'll be hacker. He's been pangue simulation that's made by the person who'd want to monopolistic, if, if, if, competition that's fair,

and, the, actually, competition fair, is, it's, the same-access just. Not the same-man-modal, but cas-a-sac-sac-sac-sac-sac-sus. But, not the same-capital,

but access-ness that must be-bucca. Well, if that's I don't know, hack it's just because I have facilitation that's the same to compete. Now, idea that's kind of what we're saying as human solidarity. And everyone's doing research it, how human solidarity is back up

by... So, so that's the idea of the solidarity is still in the idea of human solidarity. This is problematic. This is the cranks of regulation in the country, I'm going to look at, I'm looking at it, not misgapy, or sifat, which is monopolistic. It's a proper. Because of the... Massa, I mean, it, he.

Not masa-bodoo. If I'm not so, if it's divergency chronological, artinging, cranks of regulation that's about, for the kentingapingat for monopolisic, it's bekeembanged in era of mesin-uap, sedanconcuh, so it's era digital. So, it's not yet, right? And that, and it's like,

di-briarin just by people kentongue kentingan, especially in policy-making and in political space. That's right. Now, that's what was called, calculus of pain. Ticobae. If you're on accumulation with a baser monopoly, at the end of the,

what's the, what name that, pyramid, pyramid of sacrifice, from the sacrifice, from Peter Berger. But, the part of the socialan manusia, sometimes can't be given in formula

in the making. Because manusia is in the making. But while technology, he not want in the making. He wants to be in the making. People can be repinded, pindaparadick.

But technology, if he's, he tempug the route that, because of the calculation investations, error eliminating, he'd be done, then he'll go through, that's right? Now, this,

the journey of this is that is the kind of etikus, like Peter Singer, that's, etiq, that's, etica, more than the ethics than the ethics corporation.

Now, in many studies in the people, who's always want to corporations that's the other than the other than the other than the corporation that's the corporation that's the corporation that's installed in the

ethically co-operation so corporation has been etiquette co-operation so. So, so, from the first that, Hata, be thinking, that. So, so, so, so. So the But actually, the jeges of operation, it's just to be made uprored in Indonesia. That's make-a-kindle-dalae it.

So, must have some of the course of the cabinet. Two-mings-kally, the gaita-wara-one School of Government, so that's about the public-ethics. Right, that's the intinious. Right. Yeah, that's not.

No, no. No, no-sue-mallow, don't. Not all the minister in the trite in the world ethics, but still, but Srimuliani is the people who are the people who are abacized the environment,

but he's sponsory Omnibati Law, that anti-linguant. That's paradox in the concept, right. This I'll give a critique, from the matter, from the logic,

just. Yeah, yeah. It's, maybe there's partimang of politics. Because, because Indonesia, because Indonesia,

because of industrial industry, yeah, but, But if I'm about with with in Silicon Valley or what, this is like to be in the capital in their.

Try, I think about it. I'm going to beaum of a single in there. Buy or bury. If I don't I buy, and, this is a perusan monolithic, the good, he'll look, there's idea that,

but it's little. I buy it. If he's not to buy you go gopour. Now, this, we've got to have been overgorithm, that monoply that's not for our own for our own F.O.C. In India.

And in many-manyl, yeah, the time oil barren, and rail barren, and drug barren in several in different countries and benua, even. This, how many,

the trend-in-a-er-a-er-er-er-in-a-er-er-ean, this is more than more than polypolicistic and like it's just by the rank of regulation and that's more dismayanked the perkembang in swastah

it's very exponential and perkemangan in policy that's very linear it's more difficult to mischapy, to make things that might be long long. Yeah,

And that's that's the sameo-economics that's homo-economics in the in the term Adam Smith, there's

a person moral agent because that book, the theory of moral sentiment um, and mayang-bayangy the wealth of an age

now. Now, now, what is called homo-economics that, he's, but also, but also, the people who's just

deseged their own-acumulation and not the facial ethics if we could be using, you know, that was called as a accumulator that, Chicago School,

you know, Austrian Economic School, and then, they'd be bang-bang-bye by Cambridge School through New Deal, because it, it's, it, needs,

solution Keynesian, so much. So, so, so that's the reason why, it's not a good-guna. Because moral someone, in-dial-in-in-in-in-in-law, he only looks like,

he's going to bea-lumphing. So he's not looking, that he's part of the community of thought. In fact, when I'm saying, Silicon Valley, can, in there, we'd be able to be able to, there's a new kind of... of the economy of justice,

by the technology. Right, we can't imagine, Silicon Valley, it's okay, he's a kind of anklav that, it's just rationality, but we know, or we know, he knows that the negatara, it's in the land in the kind of

so as a lot of, minta, for the law, to make the technology, to make up the human solidarity. So, if it's not to be, there's something that's in the other, in the other, that's what I'm in the way,

that's what I'm in terms of the use of the same of the way, the exploitation of human. So, the intuiting human to have manusia and it's about the and it's been it was,

it was a, the, alat, the elaps of peradap, after it. Now, if we're in in the class class international,

can many people, come to come to come to come to come from public policy and the siphate ethics from the environment of ethics. Rupa rupas that, yeah, not just in Silicon Valley. So, so it's like doury in the dunging from a suburbation.

Right. The Andesquoise that to have been because we have because the government focus on to attract the perhatian millennials

Indonesia, so that don't go to be or not be able to be people, go,

what name you make, end up, some kind of, like, that, that's, that,

that, must be, we must say, we're, I'm notary of what he's what he's doing that's halangleraned the socialian manusia that um...

embankagged silicon valley, too. Dulu I'm going to make upgagan silken valley as a from what I'm saying. Yes, but... But this problem is, the money, is the money, this is too much in there. And this is the phenomenon

that I've got a lot of elitization of this. This is a lot. How much more than elit is just about. Howan it's more than elit's just about elit and elite this can be able to be elit technology. The people who are the world, the person that's the world

is now is a person and people technology. And how they can, not only make upengarvi, but make co-optation policy, make co-opaties, the swara-and-linkungan, and what's what's what's

anti-truss, anti-monopoly and all the other than that's not not yet dystopian yeah, right? If we're looking to the front, if we're

extrapolation, if we're going to be the same from penitance or policymaker, but probleming the politician and policymaker in the country Noggi that one, they're not muddened.

They're not just like, they can't they're not to manage like this. Right, right, American, can be it's a bit of ethical barrier in that. So, no, no, because in the case Silicon Valley,

there, there's, who, who will the republic, or Democrat. Because, synopsis, we're,

mental, of the other than that's that's really, really, that's not only banty, that's right, and that's, in the history also there's a process that

but, there, there's communities in the community in that to be or not to be, he must be, he'llow or he's gungue, same as like

the way of the Hitler, meaning we're monoply we're not diggues like the people like that's like he's just like he, you just like, he's just, he just being upbanae just. So, man.

So, it's the, can musty-up of the BPP, IP, that, that, who, that's, and from allah, from the sociality, and we can't just as well-you-like-you-like-to-you-like-you-like-you-l. But if B-P-I-I-P-I-P-I, if that's Silicon Valley, he's also not what's the problem.

That's the important, they're in the elite that, you know, about the problem in the world. Because we can't imagine Indonesia, so on the law, to, rather, so on the other,

the potency to lari, but it's been to be batis. So, so you, it's just so you, but it's just so like this just like to until they're in the finis, dismalib

by Japan, and then so, so one reflexes about what is what is it, but competition for competition with sub-duty that there's no other

but we can't be batted by resources so much so on projects, projects infrastructure that gag of gregap demita that,

But it was by the other than we can't be able to be able to look at least that we're in there, we can't be able to. — — —cualy, that, democratization, it, — be barrenan with democratization of salurant, that you've often — you've seen as a deliol. — idon is democratic, but — capillair's that — that's just that just that. But it's not even more than the pluralism in the world. This is okay, like a little about economy.

The kind of money. This is systemic, in myrador. If I look at the negra and the other major majeu, ratio of the GDP or economy of their each-masing, that's 125% to 200% In the country? America, Europe, Japan, China, China, China,

15%, right, right, BEDAW. In Indonesia, it's still in the BADRAN. So, if we have cita-cita-cita that's mulli, right, right, bro. Yeah, and the pluses not. Now, you, yeah,

we all have to make it, to make it, to make up to make up to make sure that building, that really, It's not only in the context of infrastructure that's not how we can't

we can't run a curugunate and everything. We're on the right track, but this is how we can amplification or augmentation. Ujum-oom-oom-futious, bro. Right. Yeah, can't. Yeah, it's just in a hundred percent, 80 percent, with a check-u-u-up.

But for Indonesia, problem is a moral-hast, There's there's there's about two, you're out of the other. But two-two-noticed, it's the other than, it's actually, it's been able to be-be-enarked. But moral hazard that, well, this is a good-de-lis-go-de-lure, I've got it, I'm not-loughed.

So, we, in Indonesia, the thing, as in aeconomy rational, because of intervention, policy, from the politicians, there's, it's, too, People are also. People are too much, but then OMKM is only

who's recheon-doin, which is actually, to make in demand. So, sometimes if we're thinking what, what's, there's,

just, the people tumbled with, with the as a homo-economics, he can't be able to be able to

be able to That's like that. That's what I'm going to do. What kind of is the government? Okay, this is the last, man, humanity. Yeah, right.

Yeah, right. In the in the story, or or people who can humphun the society to be able to

bekerjas'am. That's they can be fixie. Yes. Not, Or not only like I make ficts, this. I'm just how we can't make up to the people who can't narrate anyone,

with fictions, that, the other than the other than it's great, if you're more than it is like, yeah, right. And this empiric, though, in the story, that's people who can be humphun, you name it, like, if you name it, like,

people, people people people who are called in the world, He's a big-is. He's not even going to be a book that I've been read. Now, this, this is that, range. What is the book? David Epstein. He, to, the, inton,

the, now, this, is the era that tendering with specialization. You, you know, range. Range.

R-A-N-D. Okay. Yeah. R-A-N-D. What, that's, that. or renta. Yeah, rentan. And,

and I, interpretatine, you, too, you're more more than you more than you more. You're more

better than because you as a generalist, you can be sort of horizontal or long-todino,

not-to-0. And you more than you more than you can mitigate long-long-sysenic, if you're a specialist. If you're a specialist,

you're tunnel vision. You can't be to make wawasan that you can't mitigate the risk of the long-pansans. You only can mitigate risk of the panic. Now, this, yeah,

so, so if anyone who has been fixie to the this, this is not tunnel vision. Well, can, people of the people who's

if you know, like the people of the greek he must be to make-hiducan politics of hope, that basis of politics of hope is possibility higher than actuality

stands possibilities because that's based on fictions we are living in the ontology of the not yet. The not yet is that the not yet is that but the not yet is now kind of the not yet is kind of not be issued by the agama just not just for the

to make uphagen the other. Well, the other is a bigian also from the upay to umpue ascatulogy that that there, that there. But, But for some of the other people who have

that's has a right now. Well, the way of the other, it must be able to be able to beckxed. Not fictive, fixie, it's, well, if, borg, this, fixie, it's energy

to make a result, energy, energy is to make up so, so. So, if we think, And then Indonesia,

with the people who's about to make upheaval. That's also, that's a fiction that's, what's the making, or what that, imagine society, imagine nation.

Now, we're not did get in there, because there there's curriculum that's that, from there, people, that's done with the curriculum that.

Now, so, Learner-beldered. That's good, but to learn in the world. That's good. That's good. ...to-dochlegged to, you know, not that's fictive, that.

So, I'm just that's true, that, if, from the potency, it's, it's, that's, if there's a if there,

yeah, it's a, someone, people can't if we're in the people in the of the life in the thing that,

The humanucian, that's actually in the way that's the bigot, we're being bifixie, too. Solusin what? Solusiness, we need to be able to solve it on the no, solosiness is in the in the way of being abstract. That's part of the fictional, you know. Technocrat, not be that's not that. He's been thinking, there result, there.

There's output, there outcome, that's all the people, the people can't make up people that's possible post-COVIDs only can't. The people just have the power to imagine post-COVID society because they've read the information from the world.

So, the, the, the, the, of the bureaucracies that's in a way of pothoic to makehutum on the agregate economy, as a lot of the global vision, there's more than that. That's what I'm going to be prescipacan because we're still thinking about growth,

about the pachach, etc. But, the other people think about tucer-tamba-value, like, there, I think what's what, what's going to, what, what, must be in mall. Now, the, the, you must be puttub.

that's it's it's the time. The company has to be it's not going to be it's going to be it after after after I'm going to be able to if I'm going to work from home, or, actually, the money's the social, if there's a company, if there's a cbd,

can, actually, they're going to be done from 6 p. After that, it's on, idol, can. And,

can be used by millenial, for ha ha ha, or pymulung, I'm not to be able to be able to beaute so that's not even though to make a toilet so modern can it's what is said to socialan manusia. Now, the badian, of the other than a person who's visioner

and mampu be ficture abstract and conceptual. That's the point in intellectuality, medalli electability. This we're in the Uakanda, not here. Wakanda, we have to ficti, we have to be. Yeah, that's about dystopian, like. Yeah, that's a big. I'm going to, I'm going to talk about,

to, I'm going to, I like, I'm going to take the concept. And that's kind of a bit more than what we've got to talk about how we've got about how we've got democratization the idea. The last I'mkut, I'm-a-uncate, I'm going to okay, curiculum, too, I got a lot of parkir,

to be upgraded, so it's as well as well as time, and the development of the same. Quality of the students also have to upgrade. But quality of guru, this is the important, I've got, I've got, and the studuiness,

it can show can't clearly, that if the top 20%, he's got from the top 20%, he's to be in a year, that's 1, 1,5,000, But if he's got from the bottom, 20% in one, he's just to have just to have a half-tawn.

Now, Mow, from there's from that, like, as far as far as much. I'm more than, why not with guru that's jubalhs not as much before-sebelum. But, there, this, that's just more than more quality. And that we pipa-in just in digital to the people-loas.

Pasti-in there 4G or 5G in allur-tititit in Indonesia, musty-you-musts, we can't be more than to be something that's something that's been in, I think, but amorting the top. You can't buy a lot at the same. Because this is the idea that's great,

because this is a great, but the linguanguant is feudal, that's the so-neunguanguang, the linguanguania, Nadim, it's feudal. Because, And if in the selenegrakan, the penit interest in the project, and all the same thing,

it's all the same thing, the booku-upon-in-purgu-lawed, then the recan, recan bureaucrat in there, not can't get a book again. But, while, in fact, if we're not sure, that, for making-sincellic, dipendos, the guru-go-go-you-mampo,

to make-concept in-kepulled-in-the-kepah-able. thing that's about it's about it's we're we need to puto, there's a marineer, so, marine, really, but to be true, to know that the area that will be taken by copassi, it's really, that's all right, so on the beginning, that, that means there, as a certain-angaran also, yeah, it's a very for guru that's that.

So, there's special force there, there, there's a paucousoussus, there, there, there marinernerner, there, there's a person katana, Now, that's that's that's that's the other than we're in the way that's we must be disadarked, there's that there's that's even, that's, by giving them give incentives to other, who are not-themed.

Because, guru has always had some sort of solidarity. Yeah, that's solidarity that's that, in the land of theodalism, too. So, so it's not to be favoritism, it's just to beckon-it-same, imagination, makeshicky, has got to be

brought up, and be back up, if you're being put in terms, that's okay, that's not into the way, who's not make up

a group of the group of certain, they've given give, the incentive, and other that's,

so, so much, he's, he's, he's belelinged over the thingcuinging that veld, who,

that, that's about the inertia. Yeah, in the idea, he's got into the abackan inertia that, that's the law of course of inertia. And then we'll come in a while we'll talk about with him, and... ...sook, he can explore,

habes-ableness, now the idea there. Only, he's out of one, he'll just bekepunged, that this, that's about, with, adat,

with a gaw, and, he's... He's... He's... ...he was... ...he... ...he...

that's mental that. But he has to be it to beaes to beauching, beauchasies, to beauching bureaucracy, or he wants to deal with bureaucracy, that's fair-dall. That's the point of. Inuit, you know, do you need, not so? Social re-engineering? Yeah. So, it's allure in the world,

because of the the partir of the platform digital, like, the wrong of parkirn't kind of, like, some of the parkirn't, some of the other talk about. So, yeah, the is it's social engineering, that re-engineering.

Yeah, yeah, before there's already, you know, right, engineering, that's the kind of too, technically, so. We know, I mean, the future that's the world not in the termed in the termedonged in the

same, there's a tempurung class, the tempurong business, the temperament, sometimes if LSM is in in the tempurung, we're looking if there's conflict radical re-engineering it can be or reinventing our solidarity, our social solidarity.

Now, the idea that's that that's in the people by the people, that's the word of the meaning of the when we can't readgeist, it's like, in re-engineering, but must be there's a stilatheaval, that, like, kind of like that. Like, kind of like that, but yeah, the other's kind of technic,

not like, athish, that. So, again, re-engineering that can be from the clomple of the small, like, school of government, I'm not three times I'm like this. Because in there, it's just to be reinstalled how,

not back to default position, but, we installed again in an up way to bring a variable barue to minding from perspective fictive, not from perspective

that bureaucratis, which, and technologistic, like, that's the same time. So, so, so, the idea And ideas of this, and it's good,

and it's also mendassar. If the other than when we're not being being called, long we're being being a gangue, so on,

we're going to give a generation that that we're going one. One other one,

this, this, this, this, historica, narrations on universal basic income. Yeah, right, that's in the world maju, even in the country of the world of be come. I'm, I see, had a panangangue that this is maybe

tolimutti the pentingan some technologues that want to make I'm not going to do not robotisation. Oh, okay. So, universal basic income. So, minimums, it, do you know, but the kind of the other than the other

other than that are being able-dayaking the of the other than how much. This is, you can't beaumbed to humanity to the time. Because there are some of the people of the of the history, ahi anthropology, ahe of the way that,

that's the future, this, this chayah, can't be made-spaces that useless. Yeah. — —emingot, —

—emingat democratization, id, and not-ters-sik-a-pac-pac-pac-pac-ed, and, — —the-mach, —the, this, —the, the —-pil-pil-the-bally, below, is that's about superfluous or useless.

Yeah, that's not good. Because of the more than the other than human's, that, is the basicity, that, did-assaracted. Now, we've got to the idea of this much as a new since the French, that, that's,

So one isaicaternity, and all that's all the e-gality, liberty. We also know that idea that's about the people of the people of the world, economy socialists, Marx, do that. But compositions of the thinking of the thinking,

because of the calculus of the technics, so. So, because the idea is. And so much of the basic income, which is by who's who are young, the other than the other, Blanda, that. Now, same as before, the idea from Thomas Piccetti,

to, to, to make-hitung-ulang system of the system of the jacan that's adil, that. Now, idea this is not to imagine that there's one of the for the other than for the income that's important,

but access just, because sometimes when I'm thinking about what's I'm not just about, because of income that. He's more important to be social and the other human, like this, this, this,

the other, who's, you know, why, you, why, you, do you doffarting to be the right to can,

you can be surobot, You can't be a robot. I'm going to make a right to make a right to make a sub-robot. Artin'I'm going to be able to bea-robot. So the idea that's that not that's not that's not the idea that's more than the right. It's a real about it's not for what. If I want to make a good-milkittance, why do I make a right-millik.

If I just want to be it, you're just the right of the right of my right. So on the same thing, it's the universal basic income, For a country, if we're going to be in Bhutan, the people who's going to say, what's going to say, the world's not been to- So, the locality of the idea.

Yeah, so that's the important. He, the, the, the, has of her own with the of his damai, that. So, this, this is the idea that same, like the KPK, what's the KPK, what's the idea of the KPK, what's the key, that's great, or what, that's,

right, right, right, right, because it's, it's just for people who are not just for, for I docent, why do you know, to ask you to be able to dojure, because I'm notarrakeye, can. For the people of the other, it's also, to beckyush, it's not. From the way, you know,

from the way to do you're great. Like that's about the best income. When again, if you're too technic, yesar to one of one, the idea's good, but for the other, the system of the line, uh, yeah, it's a ma'hift,

the same, he's not even income, he's trying to be able now, just because of catastrophic COVID and ancaman the kreasaan the people,

back to some if, if you know, if it's not eveninger, and it's not evenser, and it's all right about the body, he's perluas the body, and perchequaping

is an upuasion to plighting. The last, bro. We've got to be aubrulled about puruban-ikin. Okay. Okay. This isa-half-pick.

This isue that's a long-pangue that's long-pangue and this not-account-cagain. And this not can't the other than neutrality emissicicis carbon in 2015, if we're going to acceded paris, yeah. Yes. Emissi-couragre . 25% 2040, 20-40, 20-5% in the last.

This is not a good-gazer. This is not going to get-gesser. from our consumer, from our consumer, which, as a consumer, and using the consumer, and using the fact that's and science,

than non-science. But, at the end-un-unuch-n-nug-nudan, we have to take political ownership. So, this, this, back again to system politic. How much more than our children our own people, like the problem of climate,

for them to make up to pentas politic? It's not gampang, bro. Yeah, that, I have had been the problem that. In Europe, there is an extreme extinction, that, XR, that. Yeah. He doesn't even but he's not about the issue

political, not just as a issue at-pies. In this, there's a lot of children, but he's still afraid to make the issue as well as a policy. He just want to keep up so that the government, be dolead, so, so, so on a volunteer, be able to make the attention the government,

and I believe that the government can be very happy hearty to be made for the need of the world. To make sure that's what we need to be able to beaute. Now, this is we must we have to be able to political. No, there's access to politics. No, there's a solution. If we may think,

if we'll be in the next, President Jokoeuwe will go to Glasgow to have the partanguagre agreement that. Now, anna, a man, can't look at it as a partanningan politics, must be it. Because he must be dual, right? Why we must be able to be 20%? It's long. Or even before 2030.

Now, the conversation that must be must be made in us. And, this, we'll beckx all right? from the omnibus law, then, the cases like Luhudh who's being Khaar, it's been, it's been must be bicar because of the people, that's not, that's not,

that's about, it's part of the ability to to medallel-can that, that's the world to must be in every aspect and that is the proposal political. So, so on the bigot-and,

that, yeah, I'm going to bea with millennials pro-linguant. Bacchan, how about, pulsa. They want to not to politic? He wants to go.

He wants to be able to quality. So, just of them, relact. Menolak it. Because he's aghap, this bosuk in the realm of politics. Right, they look,

Ghanjar-Pranowa, that, Tiber-tiped in, in video in mocked, so as if they're gawed in the copulician. Then, I've got to be able to be able to. That's what, what did mean, too, about the thing that's not, there's a-bubon-doing-in-it-upon. Dway two-doin's not complied with the idea of conservation-linguangun.

So, millennial, so, you know, there isaign alternative to make make sure that. That's a good, but political is poor. In Europe, there are party I'm going to be in there to lobby in the parliament. Now, we, kind of, the problem in the indonesia,

we must lobby the party-hijou in Australia so that we'll be here so, we're going to in here. So, you've got to be able to to make a generation of the Jazeal, which is a way to to imagine

Indonesia that's another. But, the generation of the people that that's being that's being made of course this.

This is, this, but I'm look if people that's participative in the process

political and make issue that's not much. I'm not more. it's like that's right now. And now,

the people who are people who are people who are in fact. Gave the opinion, to not want to, I know, really, really. And how to them can participate in, and it's as a crusader, not to refocation. Yeah, it's, that's,

challenge our to the future. Yeah, challenge our, yeah, challenge that's that's that's just up to put the picture that's not going to be as being as per semenorsed

by the gapungan and green that the gawonging that's the other, kind of we need to use to so, so they also

have a fixie about the future of Indonesia that the future, that's the function to be dedic

because I do, I'll do when it's when it's when it's plan because they're they're going to be it's the better than the generation of the

there's not there's kitherto kitherto, think of the wow yeah there's other bro, we're going to we're we're going to

talk about endgame yeah past COVID, democracy humanity technology technology technology we can make a series

So that's really, Indonesia can be used again in tariff ficts. Yeah, I want that's more than the other than more than that's more. Thank you, man. Professor Gita Girovan

who's who's who's going to bring down on the new on the other Thank you. Thank you. Ruhmah Kall Set. Amen.

So, he's agnesme, so, because, because, to make us, have a lot of our people. Yeah. That's our time.

Noggy Grum. Thank you. This is Nguyen. This is Engain.