Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Rocky Gerung: Jalan Berbatu Menuju Sehat Nalar di 2045

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

Mantan dosen filsafat Universitas Indonesia, Rocky Gerung, menanggapi cita-cita 2045 (dan pentingnya mengembalikan akal sehat dan berpikir kritis bila kita benar-benar ingin mewujudkannnya), fenomena pendangkalan, dan apa jadinya jika kelancaran informasi justru berakibat pada ide yang semakin tersumbat.

But we can't think of that's conceptual, can't beaugh the khani'ghiqqqa from sultan shahriar, the people, we're talking about we're getting a score 100, we're maybe minus 20

in, in the in the various different we can, we can we can't we can't, but we can't but we can't

have one of the leadership that can give can be a bit of the world can't live if the otakn't be lighten. Hi, the endgame this this is the end-game this called Rokhi Gurung,

the last Dosen Philosophat University Indonesia who's commentary the news of the Indonesia, in this I'm back I'm looking

Rokhi is a one in philosophy that, who ameming the from the of the

of the I'm notheraping this can stimulate many of the other about the art of nationalism, meritocracy, and penekananenan bernawar in system of the education and for the time time for the first time

this podcast is an endgame is a podcast and talk show of the collaboration SGPP Indonesia and Visinema . This is endgame Bro Rocky, thank you

can come to this No, we're not. No news is good news. Yeah. Bro, I want to ask you, you're born in Benado in 2009? Yeah. Yeah.

...bun January. Do you percée to horoscope? Horoscope, that? You're capricorn, right? Because that's, that. That's the batas of capricorn and aquarius, that. So, if I get to meet a woman, I'm going to say I'm Aquarius. If I'm going to tell you, I'm Capricorn.

That's true, that 20 January that was at... Yeah, right in the perbatasance. Perbatism. But horoscope, that's been corrected, that's the sudut parallax of bintang that, the subdued actually, if we're up to cur, yeah, maybe, deviations 2-3-draget. So, if you, what, is...

I? Virgo. Virgo? But I'm also, a bit at the-ug-a-at-a-to-to-o- at the end. Yeah, Virgo can go to September. Yeah, Libra. Yeah, Libra, you can't bring to Libra, but you Virgo or Libra,

but you're still, you're a gigawain. You, born in Manado, and S. Then, then, when you're how old is? I'm going to, yeah, I was lured in the first, PSCD 1, then, then, was in U.I, that, Yes, that's in the USKD in the bulwant? Yeah?

PSKD in the U.S.C.M. in the PNogorok. Okay. Okay. S.D. Lullos? Where? Menado? Manado.

Manado. Okay. And you, to U.I. Gambil political science? Yeah. The other, that's. Okay. Okay.

Why? I used to read International Heritage Tribune, but then, it's very, there was a conflict in the Middle-Thing, the problem Palestinian, so. So I want to learn that, with an agaping that the thing about Timur-Tenna

that is standard to understand to understand the politics of the world at that, so I read that, what that, what's the only the what's the what's the reason why it's the, what's the reason for the English in the Belfort agreement. This I'm still in, because I was going to, because I was...

1917? Yes, that's. You, how do you look at the situation in Palestine or in the Timur-Tenah? This is the end of the other than these, between Islam. There's a pananglement? There's a particular. I don't know I'm not into intensive,

but the last I think that it's a few people that that's melunate to Israel. That's because of the samegars, so that's about the same thing in America, he has to be able to buy by with Israel, so that's got to get a lampu-haw, That's what's been by the politics of Muslim as a pelemmahed organization politic Islam,

so it can't be back again, because that we must see it as a geysmal as a geysmal as a global civil society, they've already had a some kind of pachem to to be the ideology of life, like in capitalism, or communism. So, it's been a rhythm in the political world, that, that's as well as a lot of the ideology global.

That's... This, like I've got ujian scripted... ...nerangin by Ivono Sudarsono. But I'm going to back to topic this. But we're back to... Yes. in the same thing. Right.

This is interesting, but I'm going to try to you back to the small, you've got to hearal tribune, the time? Yeah, when the same time, that. That's not normal, bro. We must be read it at, right, it's not, it's not, it's not,

it's not, it's in where, it's, it's the, what, that's the, what, that's the, That's right? No, there's in the 80s or 20 or 20s? Because I'm at home my home in the hotel in Indonesia, right? Okay. In Picoc, that's in the Mandarin.

No, Picoc is in Hilton? Yeah, in coffee shop. The hotel in Indonesia, what, what name, Gawarama, that, bar, that. That, I can't go to be there, because I just came from me, From from from Havisalim, that's from 200 meters, to go to Stambrin,

only to read that, or, or you can't use tele-fax, you can't use tele-fax, and, and I think, I'm, I've got got to get, because what's the class of the International University of the U.I, yeah, it's about it too,

I can't even, that's, that's, I'm not know, many people, already read Herald Tribune. I just don't know. Yeah, Kompass, making the rubric international, but I don't know,

why, I'm, I'm here, I'm, there, I'm, with, with an upy, to be able to find that, but he's energy, because I'm studying, that, I, KUK.

And then, from that, you, you, not know how, to be a guru of philosophy. That's how, that, transformation. I'm still take, I'm going to be a department of electro,

Faculty of Technics, and then, to learn, and I also, I have a jacket of the Faculty of the Hucum UI, so I, so I'm four jacket-kuning, but,

but I'm not I've got to because I've got got, I've got to get it, Now, Philisapot, actually, I'm not so because some professor said, oh, Rock, you, you're, solesin, don't. He's the lobby my friend of my senior, he'll say, he'll say,

I said, yeah, I think, yeah, I think, the, after DO, you, if not, if you're not in two mingue, D.O, that, said, Professor,

to, that's Tihara, that, that, I said, Yeah. No, no, they'd be the other, okay, okay, four days before I do, oh, it's all right. So, I speed, I'll speak,

I'll write script, yeah, maybe, eight days. Wow. ...tent about the people's school, Yurgen-Hubermans. Wow. Right, if there's in the head, can't, you know, just, I just, just to-pac-c-c-coc-coc-coc-coc.

So, I can't get it, two jari, long, that, long. Two Toulencic. That's it. That's what? What's it? After that?

I don't know what I'm going to. Tiber-tibbaugh, there's a permit from U.I. To be doing, okay, I'm just going to just about 11 years. And, yeah, I've got to give them to give me a hundred. And I'm going to try and I want to take a gage, yeah? I want to just. So, yeah? Yeah, I'm not.

Yeah, I'm going to say, that. Why? Because I was, I was... I was...wee was to write in Compass or what, there was semination. So I've got, can't, can't... Gagi U.I. Peguquehuis can be able to be fair. Because he's who, because he's who,

I don't get to U.I. Who's the I'm going to do. And, bickin' matto-culea-barae, I'm going to do, I'm going to do, S-2, S-2, S-1, I'll do with S-1, I'll do it, I've made in curriculum, At that time, there's not a lot.

In the world, you know, if you had to know, if you had been at all right, I was when I was a good, I was a bit of a special, he's not had got a S2, S3. But if I'm going to be banding with the other that who has three, that's not be a lot of people. It's not.

So, that's, if it's, if I'm not a formality. You're too. So, so. smart, that's from the stashiming logic, right? That's just, I've got a lot of, professor, but it's a lot, but it's the same, the thing, the effect, like, that's the factor,

and the factor, and the factor, and the last year, in this, just three, four cases, the plagiar professor. And that, the plagiar professor, same than he's corrupting the people of people other than more than corrupts the APBN. Right, right, hasaic his ethics, he must have to have deli, hasil, hasil, prosyposition.

Yeah, he'd be pinjem propositions of a person and not want to argue, that's dungu, that. Coba, I'm going to go go all the more down. How much, it's better better, or, you can be better? There's a focal point, that means that's...

If we can't, if we can't look at a bigottingan, we can't see a perennieck, their paradigm, he is solidarity. Yes. Because he's based on equality, fraternity, liberty. So the revolution of the French, makesil-can the gillan of the French

to the right of the right as a lot of the cartoon that. So, the Pranches, tumbled with a paradigm of the education, that's all of the same. That's what the idea of solidarity. He's about the history of the people of the political. That's a good-biasa. So it's aterer.

Because there's a problem of social. America, the other. not has no religion raja or Gantung, Luy-16, in the people of the U.S. Alun of Kota Parish, to potong the hectorna, to, to, to, to beaureka, that's not sacral, not come from raja, but from the rake.

This is, it can't-tank, tent-tank, the head. From there, from the setteran manusia, that. America, philosophy is is the freedom, that's the liberty, so America is that you know what

you want to be able to learn what just, you want to be able to be able to get to competition, right? And America, not, America not have, what name, local wisdom that's the people, all right if in Los Angeles, the people of the world,

all the race are from the activities, political, basically, well, we're in Indonesia, but we're doing the focal point that. But we're gugub, sootan because the dejectelism we've never done when we're saying, that's curing over the the the theodalism. Up until now, feudalism. In the before class, professor,

If I'm not to be in class, the more than I'm not to protest, because I'm not too, Professor. Not that's not, I'm not saying, I'm not saying, not I'm not sure,

that's the President. So, so that's the system of the system of our education that. So, we have a philot but we're doing

implementations'an dae, Because, maybe in Qajaer DeWantel about that, he's about that, he's about Plato's an symposium, where he'd be in the middle, the monaumandah, dialectica, you know, that's not a feudalism in the Yunnan, Atena. So I'm aggap that,

if Indonesia, I'm making tro-bollah to accumulate IQ, the feudalism that must be hushed byrdalism, that must be the time. So, who's the Minister, Nadim, can be what he said, what he said, Merdeka, what,

but it's a soundbite a bit a while as a infrastructurialism. Where, it, in partai, rapat party, that kind of people ganku-gaw-a-gaw-a-gaw-a-a-gaw-a-a-cabinet. So, Nadim, so, the plough that's a little bit about, about,

about their Sementara, in the out of it, there's no other than there's no one to make up to people to If we're back, yeah, in the this is in Singapore,

not Korea, they're kind of kind of kerey, and they, can be able even, still, belgue by theodalism,

yeah, mentality colonial that there, over 100 years. Okay, there's Japan for three-something-tawn, but that's disruption of what's been a lot of what's been on. But if I look, they can't come out from goa

to move mental or mentality of the ... ...theirang, this is that for we can be more cerdas. Cobra. Empirical science, social science, we've taken. Now, that's in five, six, decade, that's the case of the fact that there's a lot of the fact that like Likuan Yew?

That's the first, a kind of a great-sejara that made up against the Singapore that, that's in lingupiole, that's the Asian value, because it's Asian value, about culture matters, and that's all that, that competition in Asia, it's in the facilitation, if we're in front of the system of the development.

Now, this is that we don't have, though. Well, Korea, there's a mass where the upay that has been taken as a got authoritarian, like, Kuanu also, then, the, the, what, that,

beneficial, authoritarianism, or whatever, but also, but he's but he makinginginging that for the other as a certain institutional. And that's partai and then to be modern, too,

we're gagged it, when we're reformation, right, when we're reformation, I, I go to demo, brought my, demo in MPR, DPR, that,

that was the Dalel we, we want, so revolutions, but the revolution that's too radical, we're not reformation. In other than we're going to revolution.

Because if revolution, it's a problem qualitative, quality-quality. Reformation is just a perubhation, it's just a perubhation. So, so when reformation, culture feudal,

carry over to in the system politic, carry-over again in the system in the education. So, there's gunting that

who's not just local wisdom. Yeah, yeah, but Korea also localism not lost. Japan, nothildo. He's just contained local wisdom that, culture, in the area culture. But in the bureaucracy, but really, bureaucracy, Weberian, not even patrimonial.

But we're bureaucracies still patrimonial. Partai political also, that's also. And we can't read, genetka, from recruitment of the DPR, Congresses Marta, that's the law, that's the reason why we're going to, that's the point of urgency to rebut bentang, that's very

– you use the sense of urgency. But sense of urgency to... ...to even to... ...andembenahi bentang, or even ...mereka, ...and for the ventang

that's just that's just like lepas, that not nimbled? Yeah, I also got that. Yeah, right? If in Singapore, they're, yeah, GDP per capita is more than the country the first in Africa, in 2009.

Yeah. When they were back, same with Korea-Slatan. Dulu, can, stereotype about the people of Korea or Korea-Slatan is that's black people are bego. But now, now, now, now, but you're going to go bego, you know.

Yeah. That's, if I'm in order for their to rebut bentang and to clean the bentang. Now, if, in my opinion of urgency our to rebut bentang, is, but sense of urgency to to...

...andepaned an pediggan, or to makecredaskan back. That, that, it's, it's, that's not a new thing. But this is a hypothesis,

is not there's a sense of urgency to to end up against attributes essential? If there's sense of urgency, I gave a chance of it. I've got to be inra Mayu, making study of the small. Inra Mayu, that,

after there's a lot, three-jambed to get in there, from the center of the city. But but the rate of the people indra mayu is 5.5-tenths so that's not lus S.D. Wow. Yes.

But what's just 3 hours from here? But what's what is in Indramayu, misdhameo, misdhontas, that's a sumper protein to, to, to, to get to, Oetak, there. There's a gunung, Cirmai, there. That's a sum of the cadang of carbon

our trade with Europe. Indra Mayu has... Indra Mayu is resort brass, it. So, he has carbohydrate, they have protein, the fish, they have oxygen in the gung,

he has been the bandarer international that's made in Majelengk, and he has had done but but only six-six. So, the other's where? He's been a peasant on the road. Because, the sense of urgency,

it's not be used to beauped by the consistency. Bupati, shall say that's all the same as well as the column Bhopat. But then, he got over the bureaucracy that feudal that's right. It's right, inremayu. Batik Indramayu,

now, no, there's no one that's because there's not in remoy, right to the Pemalang. So, the big of the gap is, busi, too, too, three-jamb from here, the Jakarta, the city of the city, Rata, Rata, Pruitsk,

not lus S-M-5-6-town, it's not lost S-D. Wow. Five-six, six-torn, six-torn, six-torn, is D-D, is-D, gila. Gila. I, I, too, because we've got to be much

a lot of the way that's sometimes, not risk non-performance, but risk underperformance. We're going to be better better than what we can't make sure how we can make sure that we can't

recing-resick underperformance. And this, if I'm not very correlations with the education. Yeah, right? You'll look just like if rankings ranking, for science,

and science, we're realistice, but I'm not about about. We're still, we're still. We're saying, we've got to be able to do. But how and who's it, that's what, that's kind of, we're not, ah, do you, a bit-a-that-it-that-all-map. And roadmap-the-the-roadmat-not-nott-meremental-a-poh,

but it'sal-gillazel-gillazel. And that, I think, I think, important for the world. One thing is about, it's about, it's about the thing that's certain by the figure of a person, by the leader's.

Now, the malasan in in the look, it's where, so, so, you can't play Twitter, can, TikTok,

TikTok, I'm, some comment, it's, it's been Also, the people who are the celebrities also, two-ketechurched, I'm going to give you guys, two-three-cali-tapes-tampil, and it's a lot of the world,

because that you're called celebrity. Because you're just about the synodron that he's playing, because the pers is just sorot it, and then, he's, it's, what, what's the name you, Hermes, and then, and then he's not even if he's not as a Hermes it, if you know what's the name is said,

''I amazes a lot.'" If you're Dewee Pentechua, Yunto, Perdag and he's not, and he's not get that, that, he's not. That's the reality. That's the reality. There's not there, not there's not the con-sumed with the

people. When, when, if Armes, it was just as the case of Grace Kelly. Because Grace Kelly, you know-tupy the kind of his from paparazzi, that. So, so, it was, it was, it's, you know, to be able to be able to behead.

Now, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, uh, c'artan khaki, you're like, dutah, you're like, dutah, you're like, you're saying, you're using, like that's like Hermes. And that, Ermes, when it's got to get up to give-in

the people who have restaurant in Los Angeles. He wants to go to to go to the restaurant Italy or whatever, that's been, he's not, he came with a sastrawan

of the clit-hit said, Gray-Kee, you can't, you can't go back you, not be able to get up,

GAPLukk in. So, that's, that's in the there's a chastrae Manusia. That's not so. Now, we're here, how, how? There's evo-i-i-u-i-u, they're using Hermes,

then, he's puttinae to the baby-sitter, and I'm going to be here, I'm going to be like, armes, not can't get on my baby-sitter. So, the d'ang-lal-it-that-the-mellan.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but dangle, that's, so on. If I'm going to Nadim, too, but I'm just, I'm like the power of the cause of the kind of the

that's quite systemic, yeah, right? Structural. Now, I'm going to like to make to make up to structure, so that the directionality

to the right to the right. I'm going to a bit this, we're, we're, we're,

the commoererment on artificial intelligence, where we can requeousouser, intelligence this one. This is with assumption that capacity cerebral, this is only 10% use of utilization. But it's

it can be able to be ableogous, or in a different way or even in artificial. Apaka we have to make upheighting how to accelerate the acceleration of the cedarsing? So, it's not that. We're in the in that we're in a lot of we're in a part of biotech, you know.

If, this millennial, if we're just, we're getting on the phone, we're getting along from our activities we're going to goop, because in there, we're coming, even emotions we're titip in there. We're afraid, where my wife's my, and then there's been a body line in there.

So we groggy if we're getting along that. So, so, the phone is an extension of our psychology, that's. And it's, it's the development technology with, will be it's existentialism in the human's human being,

or is that I'm still have self-core that? This is a robot-mini, right, that's been done. We're still set up to that. In that, we're in the preparation that we're we have been with problem ethics. Because there's in a new from there's a certain that there's Frankenstein, but not Hitler,

too, that's reneuxa that's called, biologous? Yeah, biologna, eugenic, you know, genic, that. But if we're still and then and think that moral, or ethica, it, is, can't help hang the technology,

we can't even to make upank It's the ethics evolved, and then again is high-tech, this is that must be on the jambatted by curriculum. If we're doing, how, curriculum, we're doing that, it was still, it was,

Raiacan, two one, two, two, two, two, but, Viroz Sablem, in that, even jaguant, and, now, the war, the,

algorithm, algorithm. Now, we go to there. Well, we've got to be able to be jayymejapah, yeah, but that's a krajaan, it's not a democracy in there. So, it's really, memory we always want to bring back something that's big,

but, but, it's a little as a lot for, to attacking the nation's stupidity, because of the feudalism that. Urgency, that's not there.

Now, now, And then we must be in the way to give them to give us a new, so that he'd be able to bring up with bureaucracy that corrupt in there. He must be able to be it. So, so on things like elementary, like this, like this, now, if people, if you know,

if you know, people, they're not intellectual. But, then we know that, because that's just that that's what's that's what by the media, There are many of a different

which are like to dialecticier the think of the figurant Harari in there. Now, if he's about Homo Deus, but because of the termitance of the basis, he can't be able to debate Harari,

with artist who's top in TED Talk, that, that, can musty be included that. How, if, if,

also, dialectics from Harare, in the forum international, which we can, every week, we can hear debate that, that's more recent from the book that's written that book that's written. So, back in fact, say, how, if, as a university in Indonesia, still in the English,

can't do you? Even, even, even, what's in the United States? You know? Do you, if I'm not, in the other than Asia, that's in their system to selects who's who is the guru. And who's in Korea, it's top 5%.

In Singapore, top 30. And in here, I've never heard. And many people, to not even underestimate, that correlations of the quality of guru with quality of the product that out of the from the company of the big-being-that-high-old. And if you've put a guru who's not-quality, yeah, almost, it's almost,

must-like, but, there's a perkechalien. But, if we're, we, we're just not just just to looka-quality of the student, don't even make-applican curiculum but also the quality of the guru that's

And this, you can, you can, you can top of the class. You're out of the class. But you're like to be a good. But you're the top, maybe they're going to be a bank-kir. Oh, yeah. To do, right? To make, how we can't we can't bea-muday-ac-can,

that's the profession guru that's really that's really magnet for graduate-graduate top? Yes, for the word of my, the lusation philosophat, that, he, so, so, so, so, is the CEO in the U.S.S.A. So, an analyst in OJK.

Because if he's been a guru, guru-hizavat, it's not, where there's people who need a guru of philosophy. In the America, lullusan philosophy that's, it's been analyzed in corporations that in the world-being, there's in West Wing,

So we're not really We're not even-garde-a-shares, so much more than the Deghast, that's just Degro-Degovative, so it must be given incentive to be able to top-five that

D'all-five that said, say, Gourou-Gajal, commissarce, so. So, competition, it's also,

with incentive that bribute. This is, we're, we're, to get more than I'm going to object, that's like, that's, I think that's structural?

You know, that in Seoul, in Korea, South, there's high school, Sam, up. Who's lulled from there, said to get SAT, scholastic aptitude test? 99% from who that's score is perfect.

And, yeah, you just just, you just, to get 98% tally just junker-balik. This is 100%. This is a perfect score. Now that's very correlates guru and teaching. Because he's chintacin,

guru is, so, so, the institution of guruan, it's competitive. In our, we're saying, it's in partay, right.

But, bro, if I look, and I don't I'm not quite like politics like you, but if I look at in the countries that's the world that's the system politic-in-due, that's not based on vocation, but, but, but, they're going to be a crusade.

Yeah, right? They have a mission to make upbhasa and a But if I look at the countries that's more than much more than the political, or process political, it's only as a vocation. Yeah, we try to look

genealogy-in yeah. In the a while of Percadekhaan, pejouang it was as a guru. Yeah. Shahrirhata, Sukarno, Bhaqan, Kha, Kalli, Bha, Kalli, Bha, Kav. So that energy that, he's he curass

for a political of hope that to the future, that's the other, that's a problem, the positive. Yeah, it's a problem qualitative, because he has made

of the of the time colonial. So the endam that, he tumpahed to come to the curriculum. So, the Constitution is made

by the debate intellectual that's that's not we can't look at again. We see that's a pedangkala-as-and-a-calfeat. That's the same go-catsy, that's being called, you do you're amazes. But that's the thing we should we say that we're saying. Because this is intellectual,

but, but think of concept, be-fickle-conceptual, not-bisca-bac-the-counter from Bung Karno, logic from Sauten Shahrir, from the people, from the people, if we're going to give score 100, we're going to minus 20, in the more than a certain of the various,

because we can't do it, but we can't do it, but there's one of the people who are a leadership that's quite that can be achaia. The country is going to be able, if the othacken the world is being of the it, not come. From the calimates of the penic of our people

the people of the people, really, but we can't know. This is it. Amaliyah even being really, but we're thinking of untut. So, this is that... Yeah, this we're in the way that's in the way that's about in the way that's about... ...sook, yeah. ...sook, it's been made,

so, it's been made, oh, well, there, until, there's kajip, no, there, no, there's, there, that's, that, mental crusade, and... ...the logic of critical... criticism that has to be putte-buttend for the curriculum of the education. You, if you practice, you get luckier.

Yeah, yeah. But if you don't practice, you will never be lucky. Yeah, that. So, yeah, if you want to go, you have to giggish, you have to have to be Yeah, I'm not... I'm not... I'm not... if I'm bandinginginging the other than the other than

people who are more secure, more of pediccidiccan and secalan, if I'm not much for we to do, for we can do things that even more better, and I'm curious, this, I still want to stick to topic topic that's the

perpanagement biologous or artificial. Pemberedayment of things like that, you look at as a con-sciation or bonus just? We're actually must be mungang

to the kenishcayaan because this is one inevitable in the technology, technology, will be exploited the tail of the final that can't actifes the other,

then we must beaumtick to beaunging that, if we're not even lobus frontal, because lobus frontal can be used with chips, that's just though, it's making people research about cognitive studies, but in we, it,

not be looked as a tantan if our, if our own 50% it's, it's been it's in the vodalism, that's about the robot, right? That's right, that's always there's a lot of

that we're going to be taken the identity of thebanksan. Yeah, but although, identity of the human being up to give upy on the people. We're, we're going to, but our own, but our own, we're hallucinacy with

identity of thebanksan, while in the world about the technology. Some people, I don't know if they're not but even if they're not even though but it's not in the way of the people. One time, then, the people will say, okay, I just read the President Jokoy

said, this, because there's in the Quran, we have to halang the product out of the world of the world, oh, what, how to competition? Because it's been a bit of a bit more, Because of malls, the most of the world is used to do not in the showcase. How we want to know that there's perkebangan product that's made by technology?

If the showcase is it is an artifact that's the kraginan, that's the thing, we've got to do. Why, this, what's it, why? The museum of the world is for the world to come to the more than the other to come to be. But, don't halangy, product asing that, What other, what's other than, that's kind of a bit more than you.

It's a bit more than, I believe, with the company, so long it's like, in consumption, and the alayak can be used if he's been lewati. Yeah, right?

Yeah, and the top of competition. If he can be betanding and can't make up the product product of the world yeah, okay, okay just. It's evolution just, then, then,

But it's not that it's going to gore because of it's on. What's right. What's it? What you'd like in product in the country, not as ever like the product

out of the country, and it's more than that, inefficiency in the equation economy and and, that's all of

that, that, if I'm might be, maybe, maybe, President, the President, but the aggregate is that's, but the other than the resultant.

The other than the President said, we're doing the product of the product of the drugi, two-two taro in the showcase, that. That's more, more, more, more than we're more than we're more than the sumber in this show this which, which, which, homologi,

sometimes, or sometimes, we're asking to invader, not investor. Yeah, right? Mental like that, if I'm in order to think we're sort of realistic to make sure we're

we're like to transfer of technology. And, bahawasn't a guru in the world that's really difficult to to gawes here.

But that's just for for the importance of the people in Indonesia, that's not in the case of it's not as well. There's a certain that someone scientist who has a patent, more than 1,000, he can be able to be contributarchean for contributing,

for the importance, manufacture, and other. With an open-upka-and-so-with-the-the-per-the-the-counter product in the country, that's un-unquote, and it's not just to be amanhack-like. Let's policy or in policy, or the policy, it's always be able to be able to be able

than than products other. If he's for butto and there distinctive character from technology in the world, he can, supply, create, it's all demand, so what's what's about, so.

So, mental, this, mental, it's, that's because of the way that's because of the to be a bit more than the way that's being bad the way that's being a bit more than the I can't stop stop, I'm going to singapore as a example because he's the

made from the first, to beck-up-divered to move-diry, to to deliver talenta from anypun-a-darmupt, even if it's really, to bea-bri-a-lawed. And that's a prior-sharat for them to be a global nation, global city, global economy,

whatever. And it's been, there's a lot, not all that's all that's superna. But if I look, in the few decades the last, with the open that they're can't make talent, and the end-to-do-ejun-nue-nue-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-man-faffact.

just too, they're themselves, as a country, as a as a society, as a community, yeah, community, and that's a lot of it. And that's a bitaburkan, even, in a good-hurted-in-backed in a country like Indonesia. But that's structural, not gampang. So, really, the way to that,

we've got upay-can, and by-h-hattahabee, all the kind of, we're critic, we've got to about Habibi um, but if he had

can be put-turbishan, can't be it through, but again, that's the that's the power of technolog and economy, if that can

if it can be hitung, and the hitungan it's to be brought, so, it's still be able, but it's been it's been to think of the link and match,

so that people, so this is this is a great that has never filed about the utuwhal curriculum, so there's president other, so that's better than president's before he'll be ucaping bombast-tis that's new, so that's the other, just for other,

but it's basically, basically, must say, he must have, he'd just, That's also, that's the endang politic in our own. That's the world that's, to get a one of the menace that's one time he'd be caged. He's not ragued, okay, this packet that I'll take up

so in seven years to come in the final we've got 80% of privilege in Singapore. Right, it's not. But if we're in Singapore, in the way that's in, oh, that's... Yes. But I don't know how to my nalurie my. Yeah, yeah, that's...

You can, you can, you can make a perbanding. And back to the pediggan. How, so, lulusses of the school that's come-mucca-demeanor, it's, to be a good-gourn. That's true. Yeah, it's a sure-eastern, as well, it's just about what's about it's about. He's about taverns, like the

from the pro-national, from the company national, gaiji and everything, the packet is that's all right-biasa. I'm going to just, because, I'm going to be justra and I think I can make make make make things more than that's more.

That's if it could be pedomankan and the case, the quality of our education, we can be better better. It's more than it's better. It's more than it's more than it's more. To be more than, G.W.L.S. Gita Wiriaman Leadership School.

I'm going to ask you. Can't we must have to take initiative. If bureaucracy, Biasm. Although this studio has been a product of culture, artistic, credentialed in the accrued the film film that film film that's

that's been inspirations to make up the wazasant that we're product of, what name is, that's the name is, V-C-Nema. We've made film, name's Chahia from Timur. Chahy from the East. I've known.

You've been a story, and I'm a jury final at the festival in Palembang. And I'm jagged from the Arctic, not because I'm from the East, but because from the way... I've never known. ...Intyreducered to look at cellar that.

The actor, as a lot, to sort of bea-actifed to percian-their-during-dir-dir-dhi-law. And that's energy from there. So, the, hajahy from the Timur, it must be a chaheanthara, not from the Timor just. I was the jury final, so I was jagued it. That's great-biasa. That's great because he can, what,

yeah, what, yeah, about reconciliaeation. And reconciliaeation is by the young men just just with playing sepacabola. Yeah, and with a percikapan, tibbe from the timur, the time from the tibreighted.

Oh, hey. Bro, I want to ask you, about about the history. And this I'm, after a year, this I'm going to be a bit more than critical, but, but, but I'm not going to ask you, why people Indonesia, the, buddaya, bach is, is, is, is, what, and I'm going to be to look at a book. And I, if I go to the book, it's a book.

who's not only about our own country. What about about about about about about about about about the Uruisans of Ournegrie? Well, that's why it can't be able to be able? Because there are a person in the in which name is the history of Indonesia. It's school in many of the school Australia, school Ben Anderson,

like, book of the book reichletes about modern Indonesian history. It's already in terms of the same. Although we should be able to pass with the asslain. But he's also in terms, but because he's tebucked, that's maybe 2,000 alammon. Because he revised it still, because until 2014,

must have revised edition. That's that's that's gratis-can by, can, big a PDP. Can the data, can, but we're doing great, right, and then there's a problem to review the book that that's written by other.

So, everyone actually, bachia, if you know, if the son Psema, not know, he can't aska the baffa it or bapani. Ayah, to-drang in, what the story here? So, I also,

learn, the mother's about. So, can't make up to the other. Let's from that, that's analysis of the other. Also, many books that's behind,

because it's been a book of bad-bhya-bucked-mellate from Tan Malacca, that's kind of with logic, like that's satire. Now, people,

man, man, but if the PDF's still be reader, but if people look to be able to bea-the-the-cue. That's a big,

So if that's sex, is a certain that's actually that's actually that's actually can't make a risk to make up he's going to take to the tariffat to make sure that. We must see in the history of Indonesia, what's actually that's happening to be killed. And we don't say that's going to be a gunner, but in the politics of Indonesia, there are a good thing that

where the powering of the kerosyla, that's we learn. Nelson Mandela, if you know, can be made a kind of a talk of fictive that people, people, and, in the pandemic, and,

the way, what they're in the penjara, what the book, what he'd be made, why he'd to keep to to, and that,

that's spirit. Now, it's the important that, if the gurur-gur-tut-tut-tad-a-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t. So, he can't do that, of the world, so that's that's true, it, that's rancang to be refikers.

Kyila, you, with an agarer of the Pendix of $500 trillion per year. $500,000? Wow. That you can, tis-sisi-hing. So, whatever, to make, lulusans the lusans that's top 5%,

like, 10% or 20%, that's really, really want to be And then to be able to propang the people who's about people when you're going to write a book, the idea you're great about, you're going to publisher, wow, this is $10,000. You drop, whatever you're like to work in now.

You make draft in three-bun. In this, you, there's idea that's great It's great-cran-a-can-can-court-a-court-a-lour-dough. Now, that's a big of $500 trillion, it can be syshick-can to mucucous process of the people who brilliant in Indonesia. Because, no, not just be able to be a work, but be a be a good-a-career, but that, I think I, that, if you'd be pedomanked how like that.

This, this is a certain, a symposium, small, but serious, so much, so that's so that you know, so. Millenials, can, you know, to kind of, to be it's about what, what's about what about the people with the talk of our people. The people,

cagued, like, with Cathy Melua, the, the, the young that, just the big in the bigot, in the English, if the music,

uh, 9,000 bicycles in Beijing, that's all the same, it's, it's, what he can create that? Or if we're know,

that, Kethimelwa, that, in the um, maybe, 15, and 16, he'd have, she'd be in the So that millennial is, while he appreciates

he, the celebrity who's being fans, Cathy Melwa, is that the millennia, oh, yeah, we also must be able to be c'alleled because it's just the ability to be able to if there are the best five in the in the understanding of the best five, but there still there elit that who is making it,

guru as elit peradapal. That's going to see, wow. I see how much of the Western civilization for 200 years, that's the only one of them to be able to be inchatatowal and menhurtain. And in the process of the

pen-reviewed and the peer-reviewed-ne-a-crued-crued. It's really, it's... Yeah, peer-reviewed. critical thinking, right? Grimmsing is wrong, substansy is wrong, this is a partier,

it's a comma, it's, it's, but it's been it's been and it's to the generation that.

That's what I'm critical. Why, why do I'm there must have target that lullus what? What's,

so, so, We've got to the lawful, we've got to scopus or what, we've got to be able to lose it. But I've got to be able to lose it, it's got to be able to lose, we've got to be able to lose kind of, yeah, not that.

We'll just say, we don't let's just to be able to lose from, we just so that people know, okay, there's a tapisance of quality that, in universities and the degree. The university, that, you know, well, the Massachusetts one of the um, If it's not in the group of studies,

it's bego also, he's learned in the other senior who organized the group of the groups of the groups. That's the community also, there's a place of the culturean that's a certain of the cultured. If now, there's a business, Nemeh, that,

to, to find el-harm, with inspiration, with debate that's quite to make sure to, even the other, How much if the word in the form of active, so it's more more than active,

more than more than more than, that's the word. Stop. Top. That's right. Yes. I'm thinking. I'm like thinking,

I'm going to be, I'm going to be a good. Maybe, well, I'm going to be able to bea-trak. And I'm not going to run it, that's really, and I'm thinking, I'm thinking of my minding my business, how do you know,

why not I've got to make my students I'm just going to write book I'm, right, one class there's about 40, 50, okay, you've got I've got to asker in, you've got to have to be a book. Five people, this chapter one, five people are two. That's great.

That's great. That's great. That's great. He will be able to beaccarat in a lot of the semester that the publicerate is book, references, fact, all that, that, what, that. I mean, I mean, must be,

this, I mean, the curriculum, a, as a pandemic, SFA, SMP, he'd be in five groups. Make book, yeah, you'll, then, there will be tutor. I, mis-vete, you'd be volunteer, to be volunteer in one S.D. For five groups, so we can't be it.

Top. That's the idea in the situation of crisis, pandemic. Bucan culturedivasa, but in the room. Yeah, there's a lot of group that's. This is just a tipping point. And the more than the more than more than, I'm more than... I'm trying, I'm trying,

I'm really, I'm just about, It's very long-like-old. It's just about you're in a formative years. So if you're all about about it's all right, you can't do you not-pac-a-pah-a-a-a-a-a-a-sd. I mean, there's a commoing, but more exponential if you can didique more than before nine-year-old.

So, primary education is important, I, for, I mean, I think, if I look, gurus who's going to teach at the Kma-S-D, it's important, it's very good, Not as well as well as MEP, SMA, university, not yet. Right, it's the, that I'm going to tell you in Dram Aai,

stinting is the most tinkling. There's the most of the gistence. There's a lot of oxygen. How can stunting? So there's a policy that didn't nambung. Yeah. Now, it's been making a lot, that,

pollution so many. Can we must have been thinking, so stunting, that's gill, in there. Prostitut. That's right, because he's not just about prostitussies. So we want to look at a packet that can be shaping ideas to make upanguangbanks this.

Like, in a second-a, like, in a perchequaping, can't be able to be able to be able to. If one minister, every week, one flock just, he's going to say, with a number of their and the same other than the other's the other's the cistered his, it's, it's.

And it's a lega, then, and then, so, so, so, so, but we're

about about politics of hope of hope. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to gaseer a little, want to ask about philosophy.

You're going to I'm just I'm just to keep in-cuiting-lut-lake-like philosopher that you the most idol-can or Gemari or what? Yeah, if many people are Plato, because he's who's in the republic that's in the process democratization in many people. Yeah, that's it. you, how you do you know,

as a little as if we're to get-kind character our philosoph, that's going to be what's the problem of the life, so that's not a lot of the human, that. I, misal, I, misobey, logic existentialism from Nietzsche, because he's mampo to robes of

of the of the world of course of course, that's true of course, with making up to power, that's all that's going to be able to power, that's everything will come back eternal. Because it's a rancang us to think

about how he looks at a kind of so that he's, not a philosophic existential. That's the part of the philosophic that's to the world, to make the field of the world, that's in the world. And I think, in the years'

six months, everyone, is gandu with existentialism, he's, he's, the music, the music, that that also, even in the lyrics from Nina Simone

who were up to anti-the-kequoasaan. So we can read, philosophy that, engenangy, vilay, the way of the culture, architecture, technological, technology,

that, that's, but if I'm going to talk about, Nietzsche, I must see, I'm going to see for the American, John Rolls, who is in order for example,

you're in Harvard, because they're professor in there, to look at the problem justice with trying to demarcate between liberal, and the classic, with solidarity, manusia, so in the film West Wing,

there caption, if he'd macet in a perdebatan, call John Rolls. Because of that, John Rolls, but we've learned that, I mean, I mean, that's also, the person, the president, John Rolls, who's the person, because of John Rolls, because it's called John Rolls.

Call Chokra Minotto. Call, we're iriawan. It's that we're going to. Now, there's a few philosophes who are more in Yeleneck, like Zavogizek. It's perkeembourg just from the thinking of the classic Europe that that you said with you know,

it's been named in a lot of the institution since it's not going to be able to. Even though, even a great-sat-sat-a-sat-oan the penhunged to the and the people that was in the museum-mesium of the Catholic. In that, I want to say one philosopher, Namboreto Eko, that. Umberto Eko, he wrote one book,

novel, the name of the rose, the name of the rose, which, then, it's the film, the name of the rose. So he's gothacken that, in the rest of the rest of the lawyte that's in the way that's in a greata catholic. So they're who's going to be given elitreta, it's not it's, it's not to be it's cutucan to God.

But although, the people were the people that, the book that, that's puter on the end of the hallamann. We can't, we just like, we can't, like this, like this is because of the ratin. Because he doesn't know it's a rachin. If you've got to have it, they're not going to have it, so.

So at one time, there's a person who's people who died, and they're going to be, and it's because of the law of the law. But that is criminal, they who end up to halang the information. Like that's just, can't that's just can't make a lot of the idea of our knowledge of our knowledge

of the knowledge, but, but, has known by the abrogance of the alas. That's the dalian. Then, then, what's the debate? What's the idea? How did we, how much with Shethit Jenaar, how much from Pramudia Anantatur? Can, you know, you said,

public discourse, it's a hidden. So, I think, to be singat, yeah, I think I'm going to talk about Nitzat, John Ross, Mertlowe, yeah, and, yeah, and, But if you're for the men's men, men, men, men,

wellalily, with the book Bertrand Russell, the history of Western philosophy. That book that, too, I think of a lot of it was true. But if we're plight of it, it's history of intellectual. So we can't read from the time Plato, until the abat modern. Like that, it's always there in the room of the time of the bedroom of the bedroom of the

Bill Clinton, too. He was always, though, back to get them, but history is still. But, history is not so. So, it's like, like, cairgap, yeah,

a little more than to read Sinchan, but if you're like, if it's still. You know, that's about the book that's been the word that's been given a symbol of perslisition between the law and theology or

or religion, that's almost same with what we've seen in the time Abbasid, which jaya almost 500 years. And that, we can, yeah, we can be able to as a Muslim, that's only Islam.

when it was about science, al-Qarizmi. Many of who are not know that algorithm, the muirrāraism, algorithm. He who's the algebra, mathematics, astronomy, and other. But it's, yeah, at the end-o-to-o-o-jong-y-y-y-jong-y, what, what, what, of the same from Hamid al-Ghazali that's more than revolutions

in than theology or science. That, if I'm in order to be watershed, where the more than the more than the more than science. Although Ottoman over 500, 600,

but they can't make a science like what was done by Abbasid for almost 500 years, as much the Uyat. Abbasia, yes. Yeah, that's the Prophet of in mind, and Abbasid, almost 500 years.

Now, I'm looking, gile, and hulagukan, iraqqqa, in the abet in the 13, 153, or what, that's a tipping point, where Islam

that's not merangul and medepaned and like what we can, maybe, we can't have to be the future of the last. Yeah, that's about the book of the history, can, it's not even, the thinking of the

because it's been in the several, 100,000, it then, there's been there, there's many that there's been backer, but some

of the book of the Plato, Aristotle, Hippocrates, to the same, then, then, then, it's in the Arab. So, it's in the same way, then, it's in other than in the United States.

Alexander, right, right? Aristotle, he's brought to Bersethe. So, the peradaping is, because there's intellectual Arab that, that's interest in the world of the information. And then, there's debate what's more important, wahue or akal, you know,

not that's al-sali, okay, we're agunged wakou, thinking of the thinking, uh, can't be able to check, not be umpul-kulled. And, some of the other, must be able to,

um, must be a karl that's called, or what that. So, so we can, it's as a problem in the society of the factua. We don't need to be able to, in the realm of that.

Now, we sometimes, when I'm going to say that, not the law is about, it's not, this is the fact that we must have to be able to be. Now, this musty also in curriculum to talk about the information of the enthue and how it's been halangy. Right, it's... ...and it's...

But, guru it, back to the guru, he must have a perspective that macroscopic, opiase, and so much more than the criticism. So, so they don't promote something. Yeah. Ahle of Physica that's the most

known, Albert Einstein, he's who, that's the existence of the existence is a coincidence. That's spiritualist. So he just true amalgamations religion with science.

And, and I think, she, he just too I have really very much more than existence of the God that's not a lesson for we can make a difference in science, so long we're in a good. That's happening.

Stephen Hawking also, so much, so that he maximal can the day of the logic, it finally, he came to some kind of a kind of a cosonging. And the kossom that, he must be job. Agama has made a facility that as a personal experience spiritual. So it's about the problem spiritual. We can't do you know how like to learn philosophic, not know how much of mathematics.

But while, the one of the kind of the world that was the kind of the end of the whole, and to make aggriming something, and as a while to agiturting something, and that's the most of the most in the un-unerunerable khan, philosophy, Emmanuel Khan. He said that, that's

that's been with a bintang on itas on the and moral in his heartiness. Right, can, be the stunted by bintang as a symbol of the people, and the kind of a way to give a kind of call, eh, you, there's a tautilatism. That's the philosophy of the education that we can just,

we can't just, how do you? Deccart, how, in my, I think that's for I am. I'm Ghiot, ergo-sou. If we're now, coitus ergo-sou. I'm coitus, I'm I'm there. Now, we're now, we're not that.

We're now, Descartes, Artes to make a titic-balit back from theology to rationality. But he knows that if he had done revolution to rationality, then he can be gungo by aristocracy theology, so he still gives a case

to be a think in the other than theocratic. But that, he tunded to the other. He still firm to say that that's about the because there's a curugua, because it's called Kojito-ergo. So it's not, I'm not that I'm afraid,

who are, who are that, that are there, so that's always menendacken, he's, exis, that. Now,

phrase that, if I look at Instagram or Twitter, it's, but there's what I'm what I'm saying, what's the K'i-O-Rgo-Sum,

that's if we're, if we're not, if we're so we're going to be, because we're going to be consuming. What's going to be consummou ergosome, I'm consuming, I'm consuming, but I have we have. How about, bro. We're going to talk about the past time of the last You look at Indonesia? Yeah.

How did we call it? There's a lot of 2005? There's one who's that's been tagging the of the world by millennials, who you're not not in back

to be in the era of robotics, in the area that the area that Sibion, cybernetics, Sibion, cybernetics. C. Biont that's cybernetics, biology, ontology.

Singularity. Yeah. So, yeah. ...theirpennattings and artificial intelligence. Now, we are in the gawangangangeload. Because it's, it's still in infrastructure hardware, but we must have to install it

to in the thinking of the DPR, I'm looking to, because he's going to make regulation. So, it's the way that's right. Now, now we talk about four point of technology, that's what I'm saying that's, the right, but what's the right, because he's just to imagine, the jayette car that he not done.

Can't not we do? If we import, what you said that, expert line, installed. If that's just, then, so from that from the other than it's just, Then we do that, and we do just as a big of the upyrear in Indonesia, and we can do make up to make 100th of the United States.

That's going to go. If people are rago, yeah, the anguaran can be hito. But, if, the money abadi to make the people that I do speak robotics, that's just, don't getagued off.

Don't get from the Nahajia or Dana Miras, from the other to give a new kind of Indonesia." I'm sorry, I like, like, like, there's like, like, there's a lot. Okay, this, this is the end of the process of politics, right?

Yeah, that's true. Now, how, that's up to politics, that is, people who are top. We're tap-up, we're up, we're up to one-one,

we're putting in the podcast. We've got to talk about, So right we've got to talk from the people who are from the from the people who are going to be a good. Yeah, right? And then, we're going to go to process politic. Now, so on the incentive what can be given by the party, so that they're going to,

to the party, it's not... Yeah, at the end- -to-o-o-jury-egetra-an. Yeah, but... But... Just we just... ...the money, this is...

...it the... ...can, this is the... curriculum in the part of the part of the curriculum that must have been adopted by party politic. So, the people who are the people who are not to be interested in the commission of the Angara. Because many are they banged, rather than in the gintip of money, so.

So, from the partai that must be related to, if the President, if you said, what the vision is it? Just that's just because of the right now. So, it's just, oh, oh, that's the so the people will be able to be able to be able to get to be able to get back, if you can't be able to get out-sourced

to support the ball, to outsource to get a duet, yonogged into the U.S. We're not going to pick. Because we've got to standard that politics is debate concept. Debate concept is, that's the way to the case,

coherent, with implications that's the other than the idea. But that's just that idea. So, that's just the docen, maybe, can come from university to think, okay, partai, it's more heabed from university because there's curriculum that's used by Gita Wirawan,

for, yeah, that's for design logic in business, that's, that's, if you're going to say, what's going to say? What's the Gita Wirawan? So, people not know that, oh, the badge of the public that we need for,

that we need for business, but we want to be able to be able to be a good, so the potency that's in, there's, there, copassus, colonel, gobro, I'm very, I've been taught at SESCOGab,

Abri, in Bandung, and with colonel that, he'd bach the literature, I'm overlau because I'm military. Because he's a good military, but that's the task for the country, and I'm more than other, that's more, it's a good thing,

but I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be able to. That's a lot. That's not, that, that's not there, because not be that's not going to talk show, because not be able to talk about army readiness, not thought readiness, So that, that's got to be able to be able to be drawn that's true, not drone, tucar-tambah corruption.

You're going to be a larlar. Yeah. How, that, for the point of it can be able to beaughan in 2004-5? I've seen that I think that people are confrontations in Nalar. But this is just can't come from if we're like to live in a lot of our dialectic we're to live can.

So we just need to be banty, if you don't want to be in matthew, but I beg in your in the or I'm not tegur your in the I'm not tegur moral you, I'm not tegue mental you, I'm tegue to think tibule discourse.

Discourse kind of be be recapt. And then we can't write-eckan-narration. So if we get one concept, concept, oh, I mean all the concept in the back. If we're talking about the way of the way, why do we use the way of the world? We're going to make uptive from narration. That's the problem.

It's right, do you want to come up. If you're going to come up. If you're not just like this just like, if we're going to logism, we're not, we're not, we're not pahmobam. Maybe many of people who, if you're inunditist or to intimidation or or to stings,

so mustin'er have to becue. Yeah, right? Yeah, musty, because I'm trying to be able to learn. Yeah, right, okay, I jabanin, how to I can be able to learn? That's what I've got to alami, if debate in talk show that's already the debate, academic,

jabat conceptual, like, it's, it's, yeah, but you're atheist, So I'm just label, so I'm not to say I'm not even because if you're not in Indonesia. If we're talking, you know what you're saying, you're not saying, that's not the same way to do not makeo, but he's just want to say that,

or with gampong, rocky-gir, you're, like what, what's the abuongu-lgbush-lgbush. If I'm going to, because it's democracy. That's, it's not to give a critique, because it's be a big way. So, so it's not able to look at least the world that's upstracting. So, I'm going to be able to do that.

I want to challenge, L'Ne. You, do not for we can be more to the more to the more than? This is not just as it's topang by democratization pipa, communication, but juster, more important, democratization, ide. And I'm just through pipanization, information this is already democratization, but ides, not paradoxical, right? Yeah, right.

That's right. That, if I'm in dilution, meniutkan, process of the learning. Why, if there's 1,000 I'de, why not we'd hear all of them all of us? Why just who just who's just to be heard just one or 2, even 1,000,000, even there's 1,000, even there's 1,000, there's 10,000. Shingiangue, if it's

be distributed by the polo, so that's harmony, if it's if it's not, if it's bocer, then it's been cacophoni, because I'm not malacan policymaker or anyone, I juster,

I juster, misalaking, because they're with machine learning, artificial intelligence, and the key-penettingal commercial-ne, they've got to manipulate the psychology manusia, so this is bipolar. Yeah, right?

One that's the one the one the right, the one the right. What's just because this just the only gawong in here, this gawonged this, this, this can't communicate one, not can't penetrate one another, and it's not because It's not happening democratization of Id�

It's a lot of autos. Yeah. It's not even though. But, I don't know, in thought, though, that's size of democratization of pipa, communication, or information, it's been tamin. But it's not,

demotization, ide. That, my, I own of the that's the idea that's that's the way to do you know, that's true, in the meaning, in the world, the kind of

sometimes when it's cause it, it's because sublimation with to agunging it, and agungan

community, So that's noticred to be with to stutus social, and to status economy, and then to increase, even being up against, but not because of the fear, it's not being in fact,

the papalization on information, but the idea just there in pipa pipa berkart, that's. Mampet. Pipa is 2,000. The pipa is 2,000.

But the pipa, pipa, this, carat. Or maybe, maybe, I'm going to be able to be able to be it. I think, one topic for this, I'm going to ask for questions. That's question of curiosity is really because we're going to think that in the information, there's a idea, so about that, but that's idea that manufactured.

From the algorithm that's that that has that has been over the citar. But he controlled, it's not. If you idea, he's probably in the plumbering capillare. Now, this, now, this, is aorta and Vena. That, that, I'm just too. Yeah. I think, this, it's going to be it,

with the importance of our own to 2045. And I, I'm, sometimes, kind of, if people, like, wow, so that we're the economic the most of the number four, Okay. But that's not everything, I think we're going to be in the first,

but we must be on batu-bara with calapasawit, too. Not that we're not going to do you. But we're also for other. You've got to make symposium. I'm going to do you know, that's justo. That's... ...lancar, info, ma'pette, idea.

That's serious. So, you know, no, this. I'm going to make... I'm like that's a lot of because of the webinar is kind of like like that. Lancer info, mampet idea, don't it's about the problem, this is about the problem,

not the word, another interpretation of the other than I. This is the last, this, one of the other. This, I've had asked some narasumber I, may know, is it more than multi-partai, like now?

To be democraticing with a health. I also agree that, but I must give you to tell the other. When we're making multi-partai, it's because it's been the under the condition monoparty order for the other. So, so as a allah, that's not right, I'm not really, I'm just too. So-o-oh-ol, so as a lot of authoritarianism is multi-partai. Okay.

But, I'm also who I'm going to think, okay, multi-party if in chichil, it's maybe a revolution will be good, but if it's in the back in that while mental, I was trying that, mental veldal, mental mumpungis and much,

there's no other, multi-party. Because it's just the land people buy ticket only. Competition in there, competition is a multi-partisan. Yeah, but it's a competition palsy. Because in the back in every party, there are oligarchy, there plutocrat, there

fastest interest, community, so that's not, not the system multi-party. That's what is what's going to be the same. Now, the fact-it-notes-hulled, now, then what's going to bea-party, but pass-threshold? It's, it's been retentangang, If you can't make it, if you can't make up the

side of the partai. But the salarant is to be made the discourse of the discussion that's in the down. Not, up, DPR, ad-ypire, but we must be start with this, like, talk show. So, people get to the end of the two partay that is temuan pragmatic, after there's course, that's just that's not only the

through the party that's that must be made, now if now, I'm going to say that, but what's the person is that, that's the period of president. That's what we've been talking, so it's not three periods, but system recruitment, we're making the opportunity,

in the plumpartime. This is also the symposium the other, like this is going to be like, you're being, you're becoming more people, because more much more than you're more than you're more than you're saying, you're going to

you, right, right, and I'm, and I'm in hypotese after, the existence oligarch, this is a this can be correlated of the

redistributions this, right? Redistribusity of the decapitalan, that's not as maximal, not as optimal as what we've got. Genie coefficient ratio has been increased. Yeah, right? Because, maybe, policymaking, this, this,

because it's been the power of the of the power of oligarch. Yeah, right? And, the kind of rations rations raseo'nobin hood. Mm-hmm.

If Robin Hood, that's, can, non-missue, but, if, in, if, in, reverse Robinhood, the more makeshers

miskin. It's not unique in the country, but in the country In America, in the Uyroa, in the U.S.C.E.O.S. coefficient, the coefficient is the the U.S.C., even in America, America, America, it's almost 50.

In Indonesia, 37, 38. It's quite big. Now, this, how, this? What, this, is it? COVID, is, almost it can will beaeseleration of the economy. As much of the economy, it's more than we're going to redistribusically

to the state to the people that the most in the bottom. It's more, can. Now, this is how, what we can see the end of COVID, maybe two years, after herd immunity is to be get to get, 70% of population, have to be vaccine. Can what's already, oligarchy is

the oligarchy is that because of the cower tuxer tally-trakis, because of the way, is functional not in the genital indexed? That's what not did not be negotiated with politics. Because, because politics because politics only

for oligarchy as a casco. Right, this is the it's not anti-oligarchy, but it's not to functioning to make ... Many oligarchy that's positive. Yes, I'm going to say that. I must clarify,

but, but, as well, the posture of the position that they can can help redistribusies of security security

good, but this is not that's not the musifers, in the dislesiq, in a lot of from a forum public. Not with casakusuk, so now, now,

with another case ofcus, which will be in order to be the importance, right? So, he's not final to look the function of the

to make-and-run just. He got, what, the capital gain from the capital gain, not from the

policy, but from So that's again, we're back to ethics our – does not we get about control of the bijection? Do you know about the function of opposition justro to maximal can distribution at the end? That's what is the halangue by thequassian. So, one packet, actually, the feudalism is still in the room

room of the public. And that's also the oligarchy, he wants to ask, oh, well, I'm going to tungangue theodalism, He's just a business as rational, and he's he's not much more than rational if he's not go. If not, how do you want to accumulate if ambatt and bureaucracy is the basis of federalism?

And capacity of yonog, is only in them that more mampu. Yes, that's also, that's also, that's just because it's not just because of it. But actually, the use is, really, not want to yoke. If it's just, it's not, But it's not even to

jogo. The result is all of all that's small, not can't yawgo. It's leapt in the in the resigning of the pastoral. Okay, this is the last. How can we can win

10 Nobel, 10 Oscar, 10 Grammy, 10 pay-one, 10 pay-one actually okay in international? In the

in 2004, we must to make a way of this that's a way to make a method of thinking, so that he's not brain-drain, right now, the diaspora that's the last year, I met with a young professor in Nottingham

who, who's much more, who'd do notar physica, and I'm just, we're going to back, what what's going to do you? If we're going to get back in the country, there's not journal in Lipi that's the Lippe who can't get a lot about research the last,

gangang-louet, with the new, no, there's no, it's just popular, peer-review-ne, so, he's just, he's just, he's just, there's a good

one that from Japan for research about mobility, yeah, he's research in Michigan, because because the here in here, you know-movement,

because we make sure that we're making mobility, then we're making, not software from mobility, algorithm of technology that's being used. So, it's really, can't, this is this is a bank that is the people that are clipped by colonialism,

now, is it by global capitalism, must be it's a melasat, the people who are that chipped, That's what's what's in India, india, that's panning Nobel, where in the world, in about science, like, economic science, and all that. So, it was already, if OASA that's been made, and what I've been said, pipanization,

it must be bolonged in there, so that's the confrontation of the, so. So, exhilaration to the idea, that's the idea that will be drive to who's making a good, 10 people have a lot, but he's research, they're giving, the gajie just,

online, more than, they're more, that's about, when I'm going to go, they'd want to but he's

about, about the about the people I'm going to talk with who, if I was up I must be lobbied with the party,

because a party that's that's been a lot of the regulations, not the university, or not must be able to signal NPR. So, that's that makes us to make us to make up to the chagre from the north. You know, not, from 600-a-noble in science, that 25% to be given to be given to of the people of the people,

the population of the world, maybe 7.5 million, and 20% percent. It's a small percentage, if you're a percent of the percentatement, maybe 22 percent, from the total population. But who won Nobel, it's in the above 10,

from 600. And that's the kind of Pakistan, and Iran, and, and, like, and, so it's just you can't of the world of technology by each of what is the people who are people who are not even people who are not even if the country is secular, we can't be able to be able to be stereotype like that.

This is a big of that. But, but, what is radical, the other, people, Jewish, All right people, the Jewish, they're in the conditions of the community of the government. But he has been able to know-ban in the Bidaventhaled in the world of the people. So, that's two methods that are different,

to the cemotermatimates to make up to make uprolet asupan rohany, that's two things are different. But if I'm going to bea-buck-buck-a-buck- to, maybe, 200, 300-tttahue people to dolejord. But, from 200,300 years later, they're adjudic to be able to be able to be a book of a new book of a newfound.

That's it's more able to be a penetowal. Back again to topic of the old today, how, for the people Indonesia can be more be more of a better than we set up. We're going to be a school. There's a person for 2004-Internia? In fact that's a way that's the way that we're be able to be able to technology. Not we're making sure,

the competition is very tight-as-as-caram, the way to go to, sure, to make talk show in the room-ang-a-ang-asasas, I mean, can't we're still people who are still still being with the threshold of party political. And we're already in the United States,

so that's about, kind of, that's kind of, positive. Calumetarylam, and we're doing OASE. OASE, Contraperator, yes. Thank you, bro.

Thank you, bro. Thank you, our Gita. Treman, that's, Roky Grung, who's who's good for the as a company of education.

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