Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Sabda PS: Tanpa Standar Intelektual, Peradaban Bisa Celaka

Episode Date: December 1, 2021

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If I think, let's get, let's say, a finite number of teachers. Even not finite number of teachers, if I'm looking at it, finite number of, from the smartest individuals in Indonesia this, the lusansanser-the-belike-in, turn them into teachers. Hello, people, Today we're coming Sabda Putrasu Bekti, founder of Zidius. Sabda, welcome. Thank you, thank you for having me.

Thank you. Thank you for having much, but usually, it's in the small and we're talking about penitism, where the education is very much

for us to be to the other, then, then we can talk about. Sure. Yeah? Yeah? Will. Maybe, maybe I'm just a little bit of a little, yeah, that I actually, I'm a little bit more than, I'm a big fan,

like, I'm a big fan, actually, not a little. This is your show. You're my role model, too, from the first. Thank you, thank you. Just want to make it out in the open, like. Soal, from where? From from from from from from from from from from from from from from SM8.

Lackar in Jakarta, uh, uh, he beth. Yeah, Tebette, yeah, it's, it's, the bethurt,

the same, the same, the same, that's all of 12. It's, it's, a, national,

yeah, that, and, and, interesting combination, my parents, my parents, my parents, they're both entrepreneurs. They're entrepreneurs.

And entrepreneurs are many many many different, one of the activities of their, theater and music, music producers, so at my room, to, during, There's many people, among people, slash

slash philosopher, that's about it. So, is it more than you, or is it like this? Both. Bapaku, too, tutra-dra-theatater, I'm the book, that artist,

so, and they're having all this discussion, music producer, us, and, so, so, many people who, I'm going to

him, I'm GENIwan, Yuan Fals, Pian Palatra and all these people having around in my home having a lot of discussions that's always I was all right but still just up to sit there for philosophy discussion, a lot of discussion, philosophical discussion, and a new discussion and and also make as well, and then I was the kind of home

growing up. I was in. Past the dayangue, I'm not the best student, yeah. Neither was I. No, neither was I. No per ranking one, but

but I, but I, I, I, I, too, such, I, like, so, I, so, from, little bit of the hobby of the movie, like, when it's in the late 80s, it's, it's not early 80s,

mid-80s, like, papu, too, told me, now, the market, Apple or IBM? What, Apple, what are you? Macintosh, just out of it. McIntosh, just that's just

talking about Apple or IBM, I don't know this Apple thing, Apple, IBM, I'm not the decision. Now, I was so into coding from the class four years. It was a new world that, which, like, little, you know, name and little, like,

like, like, playing God with the universe that there. I love doing this, this kind of thing, like that, mathematics. And, um, have a lot of hobbies, and I think the biggest part of my childhood is basically creating games, the play of the play of the games,

the game, you know, tournament Bull Tankskis, class 5 S.D. All have to dovetar, and buyer, and we can make atorality, and we can do it, and do it, make, it's made, and you're doing, like, like, model, like,

I have experimentation in the room, I've done a book, one of one of the first one, what I'm doing, try and then, in the room, wadu, I think that's got, it's been a lab, you know, it's like, that's been a lot of these things. I think, yeah, the kind of home that I grew up with,

like that's like that's really, yeah, the room that's just a certain because there's two, this, maybe, that's the other, that's maybe work can medaqaqa about around around. So, yeah, that, be able to try and about

different. Kaya, like, discussion in the room. Oh, yeah, very kind. If that, discussion, very, very, kind. We can, we can't ask what, anything about what about what, even, even, even, even, yeah, this, this, this, where's from where, like,er, like, right, from where

like that, like, like, like, like, that, but, but, dillazen it, but we're telling us, it's, glee, glee, or glee, or not, glee. Now, I think the discussion happens, not just in-ruma, but, we're just, that we're trying to connect. Why, why the lampu-mering, not the lampu'a-lomba-gene, oh, turned to light, this, like, we're going to, this, know, if this, why, this, this,

why, I'm calling this, I'm sorry, D. D.D., because, why, why, why, why, this, this, this, the city, and the hub here, and then, if we're going to, this, no, there's economy that because there, there, there, toll that's, and we all,

we connect a lot of dots there, We're a pericotomyan, we're coming, what's the risk of this city? If, if it's the perthmi, now, this is the kind of discussion we're having since SD. And, kind of, I'm having, I'm always. Now, this, I also, I like, I'm being-bung, too, I think what's in the otah, you know, has business, this class five SD, I remember.

This, this, this has a business plan, new this is a new to a bank. What do you think? I'm like customer my ESD. And then, then I'm going to go to come to the other, he's a broker, trader, a share of all kinds of, so you're doing about a share of, so very interesting, I'm playing the game, making simulations of, um, simulation of,

with my friends with my, with, around around, like, 20, or 20, or 20, or the game, this is the game, this is how you should play the game. At least in the carangarer-roman, we're playing simulasi-sahom, we're using, like, and I'm like, but yeah, that's my, I love to create a lot of games for, for learning, but it's not creating a lot of this game mechanics, you know. So, curiosity is, it's just in pitchu, yeah,

I think curiosity, I think the curiosity or I think, uh, the problem aticu or not, uh, maybe, from my father, uh, even, he's just to ask you, ask you a lot of questions just, and then we try to be with my deycu,

and the other, and the other, and the other, so we're just, we're just, we're just, you're, try,

try to testes of what, what, How do you prove how do you prove your hypothesis? Like that, we're talking. Wow. If my mom, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, even, he's more, she's a reader, like,

every reader, to psychology, anna. I'm, Ique's, kind of, not, not brilliant, that's super brilliant, that, just, just, just, and then, and I'm gagged, and, maybe, now, I'm still, maybe, I'm still, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

she prepared all the practice. Yes. I see. I'm sure to write an argument, fixi, non-fixie, fix, non-fixie, after that, for presentation to be done the gagap to structure my argument well in the in the book, and then, and, and then, and I think, I'mma'amuant, like, And I think, I think, if my mom's my, I think, I think, human engineer, like, he engineered a lot of things in me.

That's, if I'm not just because I like, so all these things. Then to ITB? To get ITB, yes. GAMB. GAMB. Yeah. Uh,

uh, the story, basically, Basically, I'm gonna'a, I'm gonna'aacan my my academic not too special, except for the same people who are already from getting mathematics, because the other than who like like, who like, who's really like,

so much of my teenage years revolve around, normally, of course, music, and then girls. Okay. Natural. Music, yeah, it's because this, this, so. Mama, too, is the person who's

like this, "'Mas, you know, like, you know, like, "'you're like, you know, like you." "'You know, like that's like that." "'Cobalah, music." "'Balaj, like, dance, but learn. "'You know, I'm going to music, "'tagia, right, you play music.

"'Olemgitur, like, and, "'sau, like, and so on the "'Charrymanguagued." "'Now, but, and of the "'I think one of the biggest achievements "'in' in life, yeah, "'I'm cutout of the art of the student of the same eight. That's a lot of authority.

Maybe that's my last one of the last one of course. Because that was my first elected office actually. That was an elected office. So it was how you interact with others, democratically, and so again. My first experience, some of course, farmers a little with skills, guitar, and so again. But then, but, but that's the class 3 SMLA, yeah, I realized that,

it's stopped, it's all, it's all, I've got, got, got, got, I've got into ITB, because, because of course, PADPEDUKUK BADCU BADCHA MINOWS, but I'm not really a big ambition how, and number two, of course, yeah, it's to bea-bawandong,

being, it's called, said, yeah, well, the Cewan-Coreen, typical teenager, back down, right? back then. And I'm looking at back then, informatica, yeah. Back then I'm going to look at least, it's like that. Like the best, like my world's revolvement from informatica or mathematics

time that, the two. And then I'm going to beaimble. Again, another hockey that's been done. Where the bimble, where I was the best, I was Pah Sonny Sugauma College, Pah Sonia there, then director of the director of him, Dimitri Mahayana, doctor, Dr. Maidi,

he was now my co-founder, and basically, guru-guru bimble that, that's now, doctor and professor, because of the Dhabi. When I was at all, they were all of the guru Bimba. And then, I'm, I'm going to be able to dole,

how much, what's trick-track, trick-track, trick, but not. Just to, just to, in there, some of the learning-killedgering, broader, how to connect a lot of dots together from from appuracy, biology, this, physics, and medallant, mathematics, and, you've already crazy,

level, that was one of my proudest moment in life. Because exploring a lot of this, because because of the fact that it's not because of the time, even, even, sometimes, I'm not too, uh, the time it's too, uh, it's a bit more, uh, and then, um, and then with friends, of course. Yeah, with friends. And then, the idea, be it's not so I think,

I think this is, if I'm saying, many of the kids who are you, what's the people that's what's what's, what's is that's that's that's that's that's that can be it's so that. I think first thing first is, but curiosity, curiosity, this connect with the job and

job and insightful, if, if, And the other people who are the other, or the other than why it's what, that's what, yeah, well, the joban it's written there. As a kind of the answer to make upholstices. But I'm not going to be able to make your own hypothesis. But just create your own hypothesis too.

After you, try to know, and this is a process that at the very core, it's a process of scientific... But the the power of the power of the person is a push you to puthapest and retest hypothesis only, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, maybe I'm from in the people who are that, um, basa philosophies, maybe materialistic, yeah. Not materialistic as in to money, but materialistic that's into the scientific explanation of things.

Sure. So, yeah, curiosity's it's the way, that's the level, like, "'Cobot, not? Tawot, not? "'Cobot, not? "'Cobot, no. "'Cobot, why, we're not? "'What's the explanation of it? "'Setan or something? "'Basasal, a little bit of the...

"'Yeah, that, well, it's dismissed, yeah, "'not there's no matter, at all that, "'Cobot, come to think, "'What, what makes we've got to be in the place "'their, but not talk to the place. "'Aughtsarder, not long, we're looking. "'A lot of these things, that's not-pickristened,

yeah, it's triggered for that. And, I'd look at it, if I'd like from my father-up, maybe, not get-pinkered it's not so good. Like collie. The way of the... Nogrelia, yeah, we're the... Yeah, we're the...

we're the... because, we're ramey, quite rame, you know, must have what in school, has tebakan what in school, about hypotesis, about this, this is about about about about about we'll beaq about it's true sharing beren't. Wow, interesting.

So, um, and nuisancey, I'm not about to be made a little bit more than that, it's not a natural curiosity, natural, natural, because of people, to ask, nanny, the other, yeah, sometimes not even when I'm saying, um, but then,

but then, so, yeah, it's not about this, it's not, maybe, so, it's, it's, and it's, Just like that we have got to make up. Sometimes when I was in the same thing I was in the same thing, I'm going to have a problem in the public, like,

and try to tell you, if this, this, the list of the problem, like, this, like, this, like, this. Wow, this, like, this. It's like that, it's right, like, that. I'm like that. But, business is going to export, you know, this MEP, but, man, to try to make me

a translator, like this, negotiate, like, so I'm going to do. So they don't see me as a kid, but as a partner, and my dey-koo, he's just like this, but the way they see us like that, so we're going to step up to the challenge. We're trying to step up to challenge. That's. Even, if I'm from from the little,

we're talking about, we're talking about, people, like that's about, that's about, I'm like, you know, man, you're like, you're going to be like Iran, you're going to be, that's when you've been talking about,

this, this, this is a bit of the other than the ump. When I was right, from the minute when the community in Iran. Yes, milan. Yeah.

No, no, I live through it. I live through it. I think of America. I was right. at the right in Bangladesh. In the same, where? In the United, yeah.

So, so, my mom could see that can be Indonesia like Iran again. And then this

this is maybe maybe when it's like saying, man, if you're you're

you should do something about this, you don't so, so I'm, so it's like, There's the illusion of grandeur, that's the idea of the same thing,

which is imprinted, to be, you work out okay. Yeah, yeah, I enjoy doing what I'm doing, the family, maybe, being a mother, in a way, a mom who, who's more more, I think, both,

I think both, yeah. They have, from my my paupu, from my own concepts, lot of concepts. From my book, from my own solutions, some of the other, like, sometimes, this is a bit sensitive, but like,

like, you're curious, how much I can't like you like you so much like this one, that's about you, like, that's not said to be able to, maybe, now, but, but it's not to make, wow, napsu-mucked,

and then, 35 kilos of the 15, over the body, and then the body is soly. So, you know, theot of your, you know, what's your, you know, how can you can't get in the way to be, the way of the way of the way, it's about 80% of,

it's about, so much, so, how can't, like, this, how can't agree, the other things, solutions, maybe, not can't be able to be taken

in the society, but it works, it worked, and then, then, also, mom like, he's like to make me to make up to make doodong, why not gondong, tatuant, can't be there,

like, what's it, what's it, how much, try, so, this, Steve, my dad, with a lot of concepts, my mom coming with a practical solution that,

maybe, so, but it worked. Would you consider her as a tiger mom? No, no, not at all. Oh, just too, like that's kind of tiger mom, just soo-tube, total. Nile-school, bode-a-matt.

But solutive. But solosiness is a lot. So, I'm going to be able to determine. Okay. You want to move to where? ITB? Yakin, I'll help you with that. You want to see what?

You'll say, what's this? Okay, mama. It's something, I decided the target, and she helped me with the steps. use and action plan. If my dad, my dad, in the, we never did we're not, this is not this, this is right, this is not.

But it's a framework. If this, if this, if this, if this, example, for example, this, this, this, I'm going to success, to have, two people,

you can be so good at something, and then you can be so jerked just, so jerked, you can get away with a lot of your jerky things, if you're so good at something, or you're being adaptive. It's like to everyone.

It's like to be like to be. I, I, I, I, I, I, I've got the number one. Everyone hates me. Well, you get the consequences. I mean, when I think of all the same,

you're like, you're like, like, like, and I'm saying, well, you took this choice, and you get the consequences. Not on me.

That's my favorite. The choice you made to be an entrepreneur, that's still much 19. Yeah, yeah, 19. If we're the first legal company, that's 19th. To 9, 2008, yeah. But if you want to take back, to the what, what name, from early,

that that was, I think I had a lot of business, yeah, dagang-I-cans-cupang, Make a house husha from from S&SD. Masha-a-lossil-Law-Wa. Then, then, before, didn't even YouTube, so, tablator guitar, to dole-solo-solo guitar, we're doing guitar,

and so, because in my life of my life, because, almost all the entire thing, naturally, not think to work what are the opportunities out there? And also one, and I'm not even one, I can't even up to begin about about about 10, 12, about 12, like, oh, oh, like the rapids, like that's just like that,

not being able to get used to be able to about 1, 11, 19, 12, this is this a person like what who wants to be a career award? So it's only natural for me to be an entrepreneur to get like a lot like, like, like, like, blah, blah, blah, blah. I need someone. Not really. Not really.

It's like, but I need, basically, if you're going to be able to, it's, I think, well, I think, yeah, that's entrepreneurship, and then I will have my, let's say, COO or a GM that helped me organize, structure, that's structurization, and make the organization, blah, blah, blah. I work well with, with, yeah, it's a security. like with a team, small team, they execute.

I do the bacchot. Okay, let, we'll try fast forward, but with how, how from seven or eight start-up that you've already made, is Xenius the best that you would regard as, or there would have been something else, but you're just stuck with Zinius now? My first startup is I think it was one year, two year before Alibaba.

If you're looking at Alibaba, I think that's my first startup, it was it could be as big Alibaba. But, but the problem is, we competed in manufacturing based in China. We're in, we're not in Indonesia. We're not. Because of the job. If we're the best, I think, I think, I'm going to say, Zenius, is the 27, if I'm not wrong.

The other, it's my MBA. Really? Tuition, yeah. So, I mean... Tutorials before the actualization. Because it's a lot of things that interesting, but it's just, it's right. Timing is right.

Timing is past. Timeing is past. But, really, the difference is like this. One, e-commerce like this, the two, e-commerce that retail, the two, e-co-ed, etc. All these startups that I've had to... I think that's like that's like that's because

because of the money, because of the money, but it's been very easy to do this, to bring the money, but it's like, like there's nothing to it, there's nothing to it. So, so, no more genius, the best in a sense, that, yeah, this, I think it's been 17 years, but my passion, my fire, fire, not illang-ylac, yeah, in the

pediccan. Wow. So... There's temptation to do that during that time it's time being okay. No, no. Because I can say that my life is about this mission. Not necessarily genius,

but we can do a lot of things. But basically, I can say that. I can say that, yeah, well, my life is all about this mission. And, the means the means is education. We can't kutas, yeah? Marry. What's your idea of a good education? Good idea of education.

To be honest, I cannot say, I cannot say, like this, good education. No. But if we're take back why, I chose education, is because we see in the same, I personally believe, I'm not genius, believe that this is reformation, then democracy, and then,

then, we'll be discussing, perdebatant and stuff, that kind of, kind of, there's, no, no, the, no, no, the end of the debate,

this, that's how much, that's how much, that's, not there, not a model that's right, and then I, I, I,

Istanbul, Mald, Masma Dilog, that said that's all of the people people have to beaughan here and then I read that and then and I also know how many people who are here and there when when I came jr e.meree, I think I came to a conclusion in where, it's like, the people of this, it's one of the intellectual standard.

So to intellectual standard, yeah, there's a sort of threshold. We as human beings, human-fussed standard. And if not, it's a bad way. Because we're relatively democratic world, in Indonesia or the world. Because if not going to be able to be it, it's a big global warming, climate crisis, all these problems,

because we're not going to be able to 8 million of the world, maybe it's not yet 10 million, maybe there's 15 million. not yet we're having problems and humanity it can be in danger, yeah, if we're not to make this. Because, yeah, if the basa sara-hāri-haw-n't-do, if they're dooddoll, they can't think, they're not saddened, they're not saddened, they're

in this together, and we're in this together. And in democracy, if they're dod-d-d-d-do-and-want-pul-pilion, the milling the doodd-l, we're in the same boat. So if Thaya, if I'm back again, what is the good education for me? Maybe, sederhanaranty, we'll back in two. There's two goals from education. First, the two-one for individuals each-mastain. Tujon each-mastity, it can be a painter, you want to be a badminton player or something,

go ahead. It's as social mobility, belajure specific. Now, there, maybe, maybe, not need to learn to learn latex. Maybe it's not even though to do not much more than logic, this is not much more than the science that's a new, because it's as well as it's not enough. This kind of education is not enough.

We need education for society, the purpose for society, where the purpose of society is that, how to make humanity this past the threshold, past the civilization threshold, to sustain our civilization, humanity, uh, humankind, we need to pass this. Now, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

I'm, I'm, I'm, to, I'm going to enforce it as penting that, this is, even, even, that's the, it's not yet, if they don't have this, not lulled one test that's showing them, the threshold, it's, it's, not, not, like, we have voting rights, we have, like, we have a zim,

oh, yeah, but, yeah, because it's just, because it's, because, why, why voting is it's not be a bit more so much more than that's maybe even more than what's in general can't beauching people can if they're not be basis this at alexal standard that common commoner most is critical thinking scientific reasoning logic and and so much so if I can say the good education this is individual

target and then the societal target is target target and then the means the how the innovators do the job including ourselves, but there's no, I don't, I think there's no, I'm not I don't think that there's one, that's why design is that we're, we're saying adaptive learning, personal, learning, because not, the individual is different, but the way, but if the two, the two-doioner, the reason we can't. Society, target the end, then, and the individual.

If two two are you to get to get into one packet education, that's the good thing. I'm going to ask to some of some narasumber, or, to make some paradox, where information or dissemination information that's very democratization. But what's very is very,

not even though not democratization yeah, right, even, that's probably that's the process for the

human, and if we want to actualization our our our more

than before before it, it's kind of idea, but if so that's the

the half spectrums is hampa or cetech. How can we can't? Yeah, right? Now, this, if we were not only one channel. Now, more a thousand channels, there's now, but I don't know how, it's gravitati to

kind of, or kind of, yeah. Yeah, to polarisation, yeah. Yeah. Now, this, this,

or system that's not democratization idea. Carta or system, okay. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this, this is not to be the smeging that we who exist as democracy. Because democracy is, it's, is, free will.

And how we have to democratization idea, ke, talent, like, But in the democracy in the but in democratization talenta, too, even, selection talenta, too, more than based onusasor.

Not based merit. Yeah, right? Now, this is paradox, or maybe issue that has to be obadi. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, I've, I've, by the way, series Westwing, this segmented visor, all these things, like.

Now, to bethurt's a bit deep deeper into political model, when there's a model, the winner takes all, model in one political system, cendong, actually, it's two parties, like, when, yeah, well, winner takes all model, cendong, will be only two parties. Then when we're just the president,

there's one party like like this. And model two parties is like quite everywhere, not really two parties, but basically, if you're going to win, you know, yeah, the best, what, game theory-wise, we can't see that, yeah, just, just, one, yeah, gimacarra gumpuling one cubo and the lawannes, it happens everywhere.

Now, this, this, the cumbu-cubuan this, and consequently, polarization to the idea-isad idea the end-down-cary-can-coran-kir-khani, right-kir, right-kir, right-kir, where, because it's associati with the people, the circle,

that, and that's-al-a-ean-a-chamber, and what-lack-chamber, and, now, with social media, we can choose, anyone we follow, and we're-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-lach, He's like the other than the other than the WhatsApp group of the people who's amplified.

And I look, this is what's happening. And then, as can't-a-can, if I have had been a good idea that's like this, like this, where I think, wow, gill, why you can't kind of, now, it's kind of, now, it's my stance, whatever, like, specific to this point, this is my stand, specifically this is my stand. Now, by the way, I have habit, to follow the spectrum from social media,

all the spectrum, that if people are saying, SJW, kiri, feminists, this, libertarian, whatever, whatever, blah, blah, and stuff, and so, and sogain. I have spectrum, because I'm going to say, we cannot dismiss any idea,

just because it came, let's say, from Ben-Saviro or something, or there's someone else. So let's just... ...that's just... ...the... ...theirdered... ...the idea... ...based on the idea itself, not the person...

...and the listening behind all these ideas, right? ...being intelligence is showing an ability to listen to an opposing opinion. Yeah, right? Yeah. I think we can say that it's meta-intelligence, yeah? Because... ...unt... ...untto be able to be able to be able to... I think that I learned from philosophy, a really good practice in philosophy,

is the ability to make uptaken idea, and why this idea is there, why, idea this idea is there, why, this is a really good training, philosophy, in the back here, to look, not easily dismissed, but as a peta, it's where, and then we'll look, sometimes, maybe, idea,

idea, if we're making memetical model, model, mathematical model is basically like genes, but in memes. MIMS, it's is a unit idea, where this is a link-it-like-to-with-the-bi-me-Meplex. Working together as an idea, it's called Mime-Meplex, this was, who came up with the idea in the book, Selfish Gens. Now, how much a one mims that, collaborate together, for my I can see that some of the idea

like, I can't see that's like to come up to come up to this, but I think it's a good habit for us to start to milan with the idea this, this, this, this idea right, this, this, this, the idea liberal, idea, like, blah, blah.

But let me ask you this. Isn't it upon us to make think I'm not to make sure the way to make up to the more can't be able to be in

now. Now, can't man, ma'amaf, not can't communicate one with one, not be penetrae not, no, there's any or in

or there, but, you can't be m'boh, communication, yeah, how how much of the people can't be able to be able to

beaedle or even whether they're either, either ideology, but can be communication. This is structural patangamination. That's it, so, one of the things that I want to

impose, yeah, is a one of the standard intellectual, that is, that, that's, that, that is, because one of one of the one thing that's one thing is that is a good, and be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be the

topic, and so much, even when they're from from when they're from being in the different, there's been many people, they're doing in a certain way, basically. They've been, don't get into the topic, the issue, and soagery. And,

and, it's not just habits, yeah, maybe, genetically, we're in a certain way, involved in a certain way, which we're getting under it's even more, more, yeah, more than what's being said to.

Now, yes, it is upon us to provide that kind of education that's that kind of education that's, that's, I always always always always always writing science and reason, because science and reason this, mathematical process. And by the way, by the way, very important, from the

my students of my students who are very important, if I'm very important, I train them with mathematical rigidity, rigor, and so again. In a few months, they easily start to the barren that, because no longer, if this is association this, this,

this, I have to say this, I must say this, I must say this, oh, I should be, But with the lawy mathematical proofs, then, I mean, later in the way of the... ...fromal-combeckuble, the...basa, it, is to be used to to make...

...andemboeca... ...and it can trigger your emotion. Now, with this kind of practice, they're moving from... ...emosy, sorry, emotion, it's just about what's being analyzed, and then analysis it's with more dingin-like, and the unsure k-ean-nearer,

What? Yeah, right? Significantly beckxed. Yeah. Because, when they're starting complexity, they're not like, the,

the, like, so, so, if we're, if we're, being gazed-lighted, yeah,

if we continuously guest-lighted ourselves, are you sure, are you sure, are you sure, I'm sure, because I'm, how do you know

what you know is true? How do you know what you know is true? Now, with this kind of mentality, when you're like to happen to 100% because of the majority that's the matter that's more more than more good, like, wow, it's like,

it's important. I think, just the model of mathematicians and scientists is a healthy skepticism, healthy, it's a good, it's important, for we don't even so-haken really with that, let's just visit first, let's explore the idea, let's try it, let's entertain a bit, with it,

it's a very good mentality, this, this, this, with, what, What's what, what is. Innovations, I'm more disruptive. I'm going to take, in the, to the history and to the if we're in the speed and acceleration of the speed

of the technology, for innovation technology, this is more than derivative, the first and the two it's more, it's more, is a lot of error. Yeah, right?

The more of the margin of error, the more than the error is it can be big big, you know, right? Now, you can, what, you know, intersection of humanities and technology.

Yeah, right? You know, medied generation enrus with a touch of technology and with a touch of human, that is, right? Right, right?

We have got a value system that's great, like, there's a lot of the kind of the quateration, that's more technology is being with the speed and accelerations of the speed of

the risk, the more the risk that more in the two one and 22, and the more error-ne-

If the cause, more colossal, that's the word. Yeah, Yeah, right? Now, this is how you, the part of the intersection

of the humanities and technology to make make sure that people who are people who are who can be subsumbanguish for the bigiaxanaan in the taking the putusan to the time? Yeah. First of all, so on the perkemah technology

that, it's... To be honest, yeah, I actually, I really, I'm a bit fatalist, I'm a bit of the I'm a bit of a bit, you know, yeah, not really robot, you know, not really robot, but basically the robot owner, then all the economists, you know,

probably there's, probably, there, there's a problem that, and that's the amplification of error, and then, when that's the, so, so, the, that's the, that's the, that's the, now, from, I'm not,

I don't know the solution there. I'm not wise enough, probably I'm not smart enough to have the solution for all this. So my solution, is to make things to not as a burrug that at least, make sure everyone to make sure everyone to make sure that's a collective decision-makers of the problem of humanity.

So we're, I'm looking at that, with less that's not even better, not going to be able to beckon. So, when we make decisions, not emotional. We can make decisions, it's going to be for 8,000 million people in the block to the the other, in the other, in the other than the way of the next. The other thing is this big thing, we have, well, yeah, the world free that has to be made,

it's, again, I cannot find a better word, but materialistic. It's like it is. We're still as much of the world as it is. We're still inter-intervention with the world as it is. From where the world, guy, the world, the way, that's all this myth and everything, that. Then it's dangerous. That we still, we still have this kind of beliefs

that not see the world as it is, and even I've even even, I've seen look at the tweet, that, this is not even if it's not so much, it's going to be able to be it, this gendous, this, this, this, this is ginn. Oh, my. There's still that's flat, like that's

then, how we can't have a right solution? If the people, it's still, that there's a X-factor that won't cover all the bases, not see things as it is, but to try and there some other things, there's other than other than other than. My way of education, basically, Genies, to,

to make sense of the other things. CERDAS is basically basic skills, pure things. CERALAHLAC is basically knowing strategic knowledge that changed the paradigm. Basically, that's a problem that we have to see the world as it is. We have to see the world as it is.

We have to puttahuality that's as accurate, now with a part reality that's accurate, we want to go from A to B, we're going to get out of B, But it's not that's about B, let's take up to the U-uade, you know, if you're not accurate, you can't gawur, and it's asic. Asic, for the young people, it's about understanding human, understanding others, and then to be understood, and how to work with others.

If it's a biggsona, maybe this is bifaxana, because if if you're saying, if I'm not in a small, not I'm not so that's not too much back to answer I'm not smart enough to answer what should be the solution for error rate and thing this, what I can contribute here is make sure the agents who are making the decisions through voting through this, through that,

and that, that, and that, that, it to have a cognitive capacity for making the right call. And we communicate well between each other. So, yeah, we as a homo sapiens, as a collection of homo sapiens, make the right call when the times come. I can be hypotesa, that not because of the penetawain

that will mitigating risk, But just too, but just true, I'm just true, you know, right? Now, wisdom, that's been to take,

too, with the way that's about, you're more too, tipis, but down, or lebar?

Yeah, right? Now, this, there's two schools of thought, yeah, the one,

who's, yeah. Specialist, yeah, specialist, or journalist. If I'm intuitively, yeah, I'm repikierpacialists

that's great but he only can mitigated risk that's just but if generalist that, because more the way, wawasance,

semestinia, the bigiixtanan and intuitions more than intuitions more kaiahe. So, it's more able to mitigate risk of the long, which is systemic,

Now, this is still in context of debate now, right, right, between pundit that's in here, but I still be a pundit that's about, I'm thinking, I'm more than than for the importance, for the error that, not the other, because we've got to be it

in the world, and the two, technology is same, knowledge is great, two-douin, but the idea's kind kind of a bit more than that's because because of the bigiakshanaan. Yeah. Now it's... ...penting, if I think,

to be itanem to beaacxananaan, to beaughan, to mitigate the risk of the long time. Totally agree. Yeah, totally agree. Mankan that we embed inherent in the in the mission, it's, it's, it's, there's a, yeah,

that's a, that's a, a, because it's like this is because of the generalists, we can't see that generalists and specialists this is a bit of course dichotomy that's a bit of course dichotomy, sorry to say, that we're seeing

there that there's generalist, yeah, which generalist this really, basically, they're learning the framework, learning the patterns, applying in a lot of things. So they're just really specialists

but this abstraction, specialist, but this abstraction, it works in a lot of, what you know, vertical, specific skills. Now, we're looking at that, if back back to the subject in the design, or there's individual and society,

in the level of society, it's the quality of fundamental skills. So there are fundamental skills that's all the actual standard that, that's what they're waged. Now, once they have this, Then they can't even in specific skills. So there fundamental skills,

then practical specific skills. Fundamentals, insights, and specifics. Fundamentals, exactly. Now, insights is very, very important. Now, we're from fundamentals, inside, and there's some specifics. Now, this is, why, this is very important.

Because as an educational industry, we're doing challenged, Okay, you've got to do you, you're gawjure PR, you're doing communication, then if you're just, then if you're the skill that they're doing the way of you,

that's just to do you know, jihad, to be terror, so what do you say to that? If you, you're going to do make a technique, like, to make, to make, to make, to make, what do you say to that? As an educational company,

that is our, yeah, we take it as a moralist. responsibility, before you even jago in a specific, we have made sure that they adopt, all these, yeah, the cecechea-a-a-a-an, basically, the c-cce-ce-a-an, it's called as a-signal as a-sacquette as a can be able to learn parallel, it's,

but, yeah, that, that's-cea-an-cad-cad. But, normally, the component is to achieve that level of wisdom at the end of the day, they have a process for, first is the first of the first, the important, let's say, like the history of life, history of human, civilization,

some sort of these things, they're really, maybe, like, analogia, maybe, if there's, if there's a meeting at 6 p. at one night's at one day, there's a other one that's about about the time after the time to do you,

not even when they're doing, sometimes I've got to get, kind of idea, it's, well, that's, it's all, it's about, that's about, it's about, I think, some of the people came into the world a bit late, not going to learn,

so they're not know, maybe there's, it's, ever, I was already on the other than something. Now, I agree the wisdom. And soal generalists' it's right. Mankly, that we want enforce. Like we're going to enforce.

Being a generalist is a must for this kind of generalists, yeah, maybe we'll define a little nancy. This kind of journalist is a must for everyone to have, not just for nancy-n't-n't-a-jave. Now the problem is, if enforcement this, no, there's. Sorry, too, I'm not.

but I'm rather gallows this, this is this is this just this is this, if it's not it's a way, right? It's so, can be, I'm seeing, I'm going to look at, there are pola, yeah, in the other than the other than this, because they can be too focused in there,

it's actually, it's the leader, and it's been able to be the more enough wisdom, wisdom, for the call for greater things, exactly. Now, that I want to play that part for that, for that's going to be in there, and how to make sure you work with, like, to, please, can you enforce this,

for, and enforcement that can be, so, let's S&, Lus S&A, Lus SEMA, Lus SEMA, Lus SEMA, LUSA, standard there are, there, or not even to work in the CPNS, LPDP, maybe, all kinds of types of tests, if it's a rarangue in the form of.

Because we're endangered, I can see that humanity is in danger, that's really, really, because we're just too, and... Because, this, all together. Tentation is, if, when the young, now, he's just to be

aher coding. Yeah, right? Maybe there's also that who want to be ahered gardening. But maybe important for, who are more than the gardener, to be able to learn about anthropology, who want to be coder,

be learning in the history. And this, this, this, this is it really, in the paracapan multilateral. That there, some, that can't be able to think as longitudinal.

Terely latitudinal. Yeah, right? And, and, is something that's something that's something that's in Amazon, reinforced, it's correlates with what can be what can't be in Cambodia. Yeah, right?

Scientifically, it's empirical. It's a empirical. But you always talk about connecting the dots, right? more than to the dot to the dot, than the other than, and this is very, if you're not being able to think as long-itudinal,

it's very much, it will be incapacitist's our in-capacitization to mitigate risk, blunder, that scale can more much more than what we can look at what we're going to be And so much the intersection of humanities and technology,

this is from the first of the beginning, it's to be jacilin. To be honest, there's a part of this that's still dilemma. Because should we hinder the progress of certain part of things? Because this is this is kind of risk this is much of the especially from the social unrest in the same. Imagine, yeah, like we also know, when a lot of things done by robot

to reduce a lot of human work and so again, this is it would be a risk for the same, social unrest. Yeah, that's another thing. Then, from there, another risk, yeah, maybe, maybe, we're gonna be more than the conflict between nations, this the conflict with nations,

this is, it's not even, it's nuclear, it's a cyber, cyber, which is like this, that's risky. And then... All he takes is one crazy guy. Exactly. With access to the...

Tomol. Yeah, exactly. Now, and we're exposed this. We expose ourselves to this, because of the connectivity in the world and sobagnet. Now, and, yeah, that's, I'm just really, I'm going to be able to get to education because paranoid being paranoid about it.

And let's just make sure everyone have this ceceive eye, and wisdom. Because, yeah, again, I acknowledge that since the, I'm at work that when, up to the, When I was specifically, it's computer science. And then I could see this as a problem since, yeah, it's about 99,000,000, that's the other than again,

it's just like a crazy guy with bio-weapon, cybersecurity weapons, and if we're not protecting ourselves and what's not the thing, that, gawad, that, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, let's say, let's say, there's a person a man, leader, to

say, we're in danger of, this, gina, gina, gina, gina, then, you're calling it, like, and then, then, and then, danger, so. And, actually,

my, by the way, I've got to something very, very important in my life. You, you're, you're, if you're a leader from others. One step ahead, you're a leader. Two steps ahead. You're a good leader.

Three steps are probably you're efficiently leader. Five steps ahead. You're just another crazy guy. So, always make sure, at least, at most, three steps ahead. How to make sure you know, you know, five-starved ahead, teach others, enlighten others, make other see things. This, this is not going to digress, but if you're talking about the penitinan, in the history, that's kind of people who can be able to bempin with scale that big.

That's what we've got, not facta and science. Yeah, right? So, we have to make this well. Exactly. And we have to make sure that's by any of who's who's being people who are the ficts who's the fact.

Yeah. If fictions not safe, we're chelaca, I'm going to amplification again, we're going to be talk to the time of the next. This, we've got to, what, yeah, at the titic or crossroads, where disruption technology is

technology is more than if we're going to 21, maybe in 50 years to to the time to we've got to travel to planet Mars with maybe, download neuron our

to computer, then we're we're going to laser, so, we're upload to other to Avatar

our, then our avatar our can't do Then upload again, it's upload to the other, neurons we're not. Experiences, it's been in Mars. Real.

You can tell people that you've been to Mars. Yeah, right. This is a bit utopian. But the dystopian, scionaryon, scionerion, the one other one other in biological intelligence, this,

in many laboratories, There's been a lot of the other than for the other thanchayasah code genetica, so that's more than a lotchicke, even IQ, theoretically, can be able to be able to 1,000 from 100, with 10-generational phases of IVF experiments. Still, does it, we need, if we can't do

to be able to do? To be honest, yeah, Why I do what I do? Because I don't know other technology other technology. SELAINI, let's do some biological things there in the head or chip or whatever. So we have to be outsource some part of our job there,

we're saying. We have, what else else outskirts there. Now, if there are brain activities that we can outsource the chip or to biological. It's imminent. Neuro link, just a bit more than again. at one point, probably we'll be there. But when I'm going to be there,

this thing is not there. This thing wasn't there. So, maybe, if my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, kind of philosophy that I'm a lot of line with, basically, leave my life with, like. I'm an American pragmatist, John Dewey, William James, yeah, yeah, well, okay, we can see the future,

where we can, not really predict, exploring, exploring what the possibilities of the future, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I want my action to be real and prepare for that kind of things. So, back in the day, I know, chip, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, much outstas a lot of things. Well, genetic, yeah, yeah, jama, it was, not genetic editing, but these kind of things, we can improve, but before that happened. One thing that we can do is to this kind of education. So in the future, probably no longer an education, the concept of education that we know, practically obsolete,

in the future, probably it's not about education, it's about being connected to the super-consciousness. The world of knowledge, which all neurons in these, not just our own neuron, but other's neurons. Now, but not know how much how much can't matter knowledge with experience.

They're kind of experience private people, even, if we're sharing it, be more than, maybe, like social media, imagine, as social media at the neurotic level, what's the name, how we can share this all, it's trustable. And, finally, the decision-making our more accurate. who can imagine that social media

we can't talk about, and people can't be people, and so why not? In the future, we're not like... We just too, the technology that's bypassed the process of, you know, information processing today. Which is, you know, by the way, I'm going to see one of one of the time 2000, when I made a thesis for,

to make a thesis, that, you know, If I'm going to be that if I'm going to be equal, I'm going to be equal, that's all of all kinds of equal, economy equal, exactly. Ah, and it's one of the most important variable, information processing,

not everyone has to mrs. Not everyone has to mrs. If information processor only error, if information processor is error, want information rata, so, how much more than how much more than how much more than how much effective now, now, now our education my kind of education that I've gotuant, how much make make sure information processor

this at least process the information correctly, and then it's more than what's another one connected us. Okay, probably in the next part of education, just to bypass information processor our kind of social media, it's a brain connectivity, which is where we bypassed information, the process sensory-like, we can't even be brain, and then we can access all the neurons that are in like that.

And, that's the kind of education that no longer, yeah, already, you know, just as we've agreed on the protocol and everything. Probably that's the way to go. But right now, before I do. No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not

about, yeah, if this is what I do not, but I see, at the end of the end of the technology, as changy, the technology and the and the way is important. Yeah, right?

That, okay, we can, we can codification data data cognitive our objective we can be robotized. We can codification, to some extent, to a lot of extent, our emotional intelligence. But the is I'm not sure that can be codification.

Yeah, right? So there's a batas where we can't make codification to adept attributes, if I think I, who am perkia humanities. First of all, if concept of the concept I don't really believe in that kind of concept that's right by the body. If you're going to be consequency.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's what I meant. Yeah, exactly. But, that's, just want to be clear that everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The complexity of our brain works, it's not in, or not in the titic, where, I don't know,

lancat to the level of the life of the life. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that, that in the other than in a lot, that in dialectica, with the human, with our human, with our human, what,

uh, what, uh, the, uh, the, uh, um, the, and, I'm, I think, yeah, I think,

I think, one of the critical part of how we can survive is, how we can survive, We've got to tacto-can, our own of the environment, and the concept of the environment, the concept of environment,

man, and then, when we're able to learn advanced, we're able to create the other, that's the problem is now, there are many again again,

again, and many of the other relevant, and more than modern, we need to choose together together, where we are we are we going, where we're going to together, we're going to go to together, as a collective model.

Because if, if we can just be able to make, in this part, I'm not saying that every buddaya totally like parts of the Bay there's, there's a lot of the way that's because we're trying to survive, just. Now, now, because the quickness that's too fast, we cannot rely heavily on the buddaya part for this, absolutely. We have to make a go beyond this normal human, you know,

cultural evolution to discuss more into the ideas in this, this is more to make making business together that's more rational and so again. This is that kind of, sometimes we're, sometimes we're just to be able to get jabber, we want to have the importance,

this, not, material, financial, or, or, sort of, that's natural in our genes, to being ambitious, ambitious, to think, to save, secure, that I want to save, secure, I want to help,

you know, team my, turunan, maybe, some of the resources, but that's the doorking – which is rational, even though it's

too, rational, but now, but, but, what I'm saying is that this is the time where probably

our genes and our genes and our, our cultural inheritance, it's been our biggest problem to survive humanity. Wow. Now, so how can we go beyond those things? Now, this is my thought. That's my thought. We're not.

Let's. Zinius, the praneran to this is how to to be what's standing in Indonesia. In context of the context of the education, we always get beaten up, Pisa, like, proficiency of the other, and everything. And all this.

Yeah. There's target, in five-time, 10-town, the time of the same year, of course. First, I want to tell you. Sometimes the way we do education, oh, we compare, oh yeah, we let's say, compare Indonesia with, like, Singapore, or with Finland, with English, like, blah, blah, blah.

Well, if we see what's going to be able to what possible out there. We'll look at what's possible. But one thing that I constantly have this debate over and over again with educators from around the world in international conference, is that's about, why, you're like, you're like, so that you're not, like, so, you're going to be able to be

learning, from, why, why, why, many, that's being from, like, from, Zanis, Proposal of Curitum. Better than, like, if, if, like, too, do you're,

too, and maybe not important, sorry to say, that, that's about, we're going to be used, I also propose something that's something that's about to be taught, and they're talking,

why, always be debated, like, it's not only not, it's not just, this, just, this, like, what, what's going to be. Let's say, we want to be educated in London, 100. In Finland, they can be, starting point, there's been 60.

Because this has been in buddaya, in the and the other, They're going to go to the budaicists, that's always for the people that were logical reasoning, everything logical reasoning to be, so they're starting to point in 60. In our, it can be from,

even not from 0, it's just from minus 40. Because there's many as many who have to unlearned, yeah, in, the other, people, maybe,

what, what, or there's what, like this, like this all this mystical reasoning that's happening must be bombedar first, when it's been when they're going to do like this, like, like, again, until the room, they'd back again to go, or, or, or, or, in, the, family, or in, uh, the, uh, social, uh, setting.

Now, so, um, if we're learning from, from, from, from the world just from, from the way, and then make up and then that's not work. So what we do is, that's exactly our anthropological insights into the country. We're looking that this is the way we should build our curriculum. So, yeah, if it's like caravan local, it's more caravan local to build the way we reason as a nation.

Yeah, logic is universal. But, the way we make logic is also, is that's universal. But the way we do mathematics is, it's different, not just comeot just what's success in the way. This is the hardest part that we do. First, we've made all this kind of pedagogy that totally local,

the way that's universal, but with local this, the way our brain works, because tropical is different with the work with the, what's evolved in four seasons. We don't have got to be used to be able to, not-trained, not-trained, like, this is like, this. So, first part is, by the Goucault part.

The first part, the other, we were using AI, of course. Dulele of course, the jurorset was actually AI, and now, now, it's kind of up to how much, how, how can learn as a adaptive, personalize, as well as they can, so they can, how much more than from where,

basically, where's from where, how much, iron fundamentals are built under the model. So, pedagogy is how to, the other, the other, this is true. The three, this is true.

The three is enforcement. Enforcement. How to propose to, yeah, that, for example, when, the, use this, please, we're begging,

so when you're looking at this this case, when you're not only, what, like, what, like, with a career-on that's been, that's being able to get a carioan that good, but you help people to understand that standard this is important. Because, because,

because, and, sometimes, enforcement standard is at Tuval, sometimes, too-fall, there's standard in chiefs like, but if they're not achieved, not achieved, then it's beenonged the improvement of this. Now, if there's standard this, then the improvement is this, it's affordable,

and even for certain parts, to free, that's the way we want to play the game to enforce. We've already already, I've got to go upla, that there's a standard to make humanity. And then this enforcement has been where? We don't know what we're doing for the level of the government, even, even, even, even, even, you know, standard UN barren.

Or this is just, we can't just as much as we're doing it. But in the form of the small-hundred-its-old, not just as well as the people who are people who are people. For example, for example, one, the selection of the people who are more than a lot of people. Promotion in the, you know, in the company. Then, interest-ling, there's fintech that we want to get to get credit rating. Oh, yeah, that's right. Enforced other things.

There's what we're trying to do. Provide a standardized test, which maybe many people who don't even agree with standard test, but I think it is very important for us to have this standard, and then also providing the way to improve the adaptive learning and so many in the next five years, that's what we do.

And of course, the last part that's basically what you're getting into the system, and it's more of the whole education system. You've done more than 80,000 videos, right? Probably, now the status. In the next five years, how many more? I think there are some part of it that confidential, but I think we can do some interesting AI here,

that's more significant more. I can see the number that's growing just a lot of exponential. But keep in mind, that learning is not only about the videos. But what's important, it's really not a soal. Basically, not a for say,

if you're going to imagine, now to test, it's not only about test, but the right kind of flashing that triggers you. Yeah, right. I'm going to tell you, I'm from the class three, I was like, guru I was thinking. Yeah, right?

He's, I remember. I remember. I remember. I even remember some of the questions that, as you aptly pointed out, we'll meet you. Yeah, or intellectual curiosity. Guru my school's my, my in the S. I'm from the school.

Now, I'm going to take the to the pran guru. Yeah, kind of when we talk about on the education, I'm going to be a lot of the topic that's about curriculum and the school-sysu-sui. But we're like

more than pre-mey to the penning of the importance of guru. And this is empiris, that if the guru lulled in the purguron, top 5-20% percent, that he, in a 10-year, in 1,5-tallon,

but if he doddle, lus at the bottom 20% in the perguron-tingi, surr, he's in a while just to have a 10-tawn ajaran. Mustin'n't we have to passi-in'n't, yeah, who gajer in any-pun, not in platform you just. By way of policy, ke, or by way of persuasion, ke,

like that, if it's even top 20, top 5% like in Korea Southan. In Korea Southan, can, top 5% who are not just status social but the status socials, but chastrainess also the security, he's sure to make a bank, in a company, consultant, or in startup, or to surrude to be a guru, he'd be made to be a guru. Because the gajy-nevite's okay, and the status social

social if you're put up to put up. Yeah. Now, this could be the game changer. Yeah, right? But problem is maybe you're going to be a good good quality. But I'm a bit optimistic because

in the era digital. This can just we're trying a finite number of teachers, we pipa in just as in as a digital. What you're doing already? Yeah. Now, you're actually on to something really good.

Yeah, can? Thank you. Just the amplification just for the importance of game change our own change our own. And if there's a good one-percent, like, wow, he can,

in a year, maybe, gnajara, the one-a-jured-a-juration, the end of pippa-ch-ch-ch, what you said, c, c, c, that's work? And, and, I'm going to, what, yeah, want to be able to accelerate, right? Yeah, yeah.

Because it's gemes, too, if you look, if you're going to look at least the standing-in-neux-trait-out-out-out-out-out-out-us, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. This must be de-acceleration, yes. Yeah. First, the problem is so complex. Why complex is this.

For really, good, good, good is good for good for good for goodness, it's not only about learning the mathematical things. Designing is to, even, the standard is this. He's going to do, we have revolution of learning. There's four layers of revolution. Number one, technology. Guru has been able to do with technology. It's, yeah, it's just, it's gampanguing.

the most of the methodological revolution. It's where the revolution that's in the in the methodology that's not just, methodologies not just mannobaccoe, but they must install the thought of the people that important it's two different things, between just to just to give information,

and to install a sort of a policy, that's number two, the third, the third, pedagogical revolution, Pedagogical Revolution, that is that that guru is justro has used to have integration of knowledge so, so that, they're also about mathematics, but it's not only about the math.

It's not just, so much of the matter. Storytelling. But, yeah, storytelling that, can be a good logical connection in mathematics and, and, finally, can be able to think with, what, to make a logical connection this is a story that's interesting. That's what I'm going to be able to,

meriphing, menisir, like, right. Many people are being able to narrasicant. Exactly. Now, it's also, the name of the cedarsan, if we can't say dots, yeah. Dots is what we know.

Then, the cedassan is not the dots, but the connection. Misalely. Let's say, there's there, there, dots that isiness five, five, five-five-five-five-five-five-nine-five-nine-five-connectinginginging. But, it's the connectioning of the 10,

connection can be more. Now, in Indonesia, we're used to learn to learn that, even in the mathematics, yeah, doesn't know, math, psychology, and it's not, but the connection between this, this and that, not ter-jade, not so. So if we say that's the other than that's actually, oh, this is a lot of people who are people

but it's not turned into something remarkable because of the connection. Because all this connection, it really triggered connectivity, it's can trigger creativity, innovations, and probably wisdom at the end of the day. Wow. So, the guru, with standard

like that's under the same as impossible, is almost impossible to have quality whews, so many, that's like that. With quality of the standard that's our target is, yeah, and, and, again, and we can't understand that we're, economically speaking, like,

usually, there's three jute, want to be with what, from the side of gaiji, that's the best of the gaii, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, too too far too. If I think, well, let's get, let's say, 200, a finite number of teachers.

Even not finite number of teachers, if I'm looking at the finite number of individuals in Indonesia, which are the best ones that are the best ones the best ones that's what Zenius does. And then, you know, it's, it's, it's, that's like the papay for people, for they can be digitalized, being accessible by everyone everywhere, then,

then, work with local teachers that everywhere that, so that local teachers, the function is being just to learn routine a day-day-day, but, well,

to gau-rout-rout-the-lust-you, your job, it's now, how to be motivator, to be the individual that can't be digitalized. When we're into the era of robots-robotan-in-in-can, not we can't get to be able to doleases.

Human emotion, human connection, yeah, right, guru in the laban can be a functioned that, guru digital, that's with all the AI, blah, blah, blah, the combination of both, that's, it's made gurue in the laban can much more focus on the individual things,

and more than what's like what's about what I'm doing, ex-Qaeda, every day, no, we can do other things that can be more, what, yeah, and, that's the way we see, the combination of the current Guru Digital and Guru Latvia. This, can, anguaran, this,

making bigger, but maybe concern is, a part of the aggaran it, that's a desensualization. You've got to be it now in this. I've got bingunned. I'm just a bigonged. Many of the people who are different,

the pola-pickirn, one and one and if it contextualized in how, how, it's, he might not be able to obax and KAPS. And that

And it's problematic. Yeah, right? Now, this is a nation, we want to step up to the plate, yeah. Yeah, maybe there sparks of excellence, but there's going to be there to the get get to the point, right? Yeah, right? Now, I see prospect to universalize

wisdom, knowledge, whatever, like the pipa digital. It's not to be underestimated. But it's just the acceptance of it. Yeah, that's sweet. To be honest, yeah, if we're going to look at the way we should do this, first and foremost, enforcement. Yeah.

For, that's, maybe, maybe not just to do with standardized tests, not just with any of this or something, but it is only human nature for if for in fact that's like Finland, maybe they're not just like that. But we're like this, like this, there must be some sort of enforcement.

That's a time like, guru, to be honest, to be able to perform, and so much, that's not going to be able to. It's so hard. What kind of enforcement that we have? Enforcement what kind of enforcement we have

to make make sure that people who are making And if it's what kind of, what kind of, what, what, yeah, what, yeah, maybe the stick is what, it's not, basically, almost, yeah, all the people can't everyone, can't be able to be a class, to be honest, my kind of education, in the beginning part,

a bit of, a crass, we cannot make a change without these kind of things. Now, maybe the areas, that, you know, is really, for the nation. We should have something standardized for the nation, and then enforcement and formal that's at the level that

the classed as the SM, and as well, then, gurus of the gurus'n itself must be gojok a little, like, this is hard. But if, this, what, yeah, this,

there's, with a way, maybe, maybe, more, But to be honest, for the application that's that's what I said about, for the application this is the only thing for money.

Yes, there are super incredible teachers out there that are actually making school that's fun, but maybe, the number of 20,000 individuals that's what's impact in a year from all this very interesting, very innovative school. Can you replicate it? Can you duplicate and make it available everywhere?

It's too late this for you. For me, the fastest way is, sorry to say is a free market in education, where set the standard, set their pride standard, not just about the standard. Curriculum is, let the innovators do the job to do something, doing, and then do it. Unto-unct is it's good,

in Indonesia, this, president of our, not much more than a lot of education. Model is like voucher. Basically, basically, you're school voucher, if you were in the other than B. But school voucher, if we're in traditional schooling, can, mahal, but we're using school voucher,

model here, we can, we can't use voucher for, for example, digital, that can be very efficient, yeah, but still standard that's just like what, we have to start like what. We have got to pay, the card of the POM, the data, B, can be used, like that.

Now, if with all this funding model, it can, you can, yeah, can't be partangurop, yeah. Exactly, as much as we're going to be, because, they're not to have willingness to learn, but not to be willing to pay, what other, ability to way, not there. So, I think, the education is the better is there, but I want to give framework a little.

Learners, this, it's, it's, it's not really willingness to learn, not have ability to pay, ability to pay, But stakeholders, the government, the parents, and everyone, this is be be a good way, well, learn. Now, they're going to give money. Now, I think this is the difference, yeah, between the education industry and the other industry. If we can call it industry, now, see, the more than I look at the model this, the stakeholders

this is the standard, yeah, we want to start out of what, this cha-a-tad-dily, okay, we can't better, we can't make cacare-untled. All right for money with voucher model, give a dompet, you know, yeah, you know, why specifically to attack,

why not traditional, yeah, this is more efficiently, guaranteed, that's something I can say, I think, that's the way to go to accelerate the standards

and the voucher model that specific to for attack. So far, from all, from all kinds of combinations that I've tried, this is the faster So I feel optimistic.

Hopefully, let's work on this together. There's comment commentar, I hear, how how Indonesia can't be very very much very much. To be honest, I'm going to look at, actually,

if people are always, jelead-joleck this, yeah, like this, like this, like this, but to be honest, I can see that there are a lot of things to be optimistic about, you know, yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm biased, I so, I so love this country, so, maybe I'm biased, but yeah, we do, we do. We think, that I think, one thing that I like I like that is like that's more,

be much more, what, yeah. This, this, sometimes we've got to, we've got to look like, but as a cubbuban, or just, you know, human connection, because of technology, because of social media, we're going to look at this idea that we're not like,

we hear this, can we go back to all? we go back to hourly, you know, you know, you know, human, what, yeah, have friendly, interaction,

interaction between, you know, between humans, no people more, that's, I have one suggestion. Yeah. Reduce your screen time

from eight hours a day. I don't see why not. Yeah, right. That's what we do, actually. The company. People are like, two of the other not to look at one, not not about one of other.

Yeah, yeah. And it's more... Yeah, so I think what's needed in Indonesia, for me, yeah, the right kind of human connection. And I think rationality, science and reason, ask questions more and how things, just with, yeah, just don't tebap-tebuck-buck-mistice.

Yeah, yeah, we're, yeah, we're, Plans, we'll be it from there's going to let's go ahead and say, hey, let's explain things in the, yeah, more significant, so again. Help a lot, that's... Wow, okay. Thank you, Lo. Thank you, by, you.

It's been fascinating. Baja, many, but... Bajic today, out, like... Okay, okay. Andes, that's the Zabda. Thank you guys. This is this. This is an endgame.