Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Sabrang Mowo Damar Panuluh: Keadilan (Token) Sosial Bagi Seluruh Talenta

Episode Date: November 24, 2021

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All of the human-sum-sum-goal. Common-sat-goal, the status-sosial. If in the city, the status-socials is from gotong-royo. You go-it-mach-can-as-o'-as-a-hack-hack-harmes, then, then, nai hierarchy social.

That's been on the community-kechit-clet-old but what's done with technology modern. But what's what is the technology modern? because when you know-sathe-sauce-sau-sas-sas-as-as-as-as-as-as-o-ta-o-ta-ofering matter-mecash-a-harmes-a-harmes-a-harmes. So, all statusial-ssocial not from from me-mecach-masal. Society is only object of what-name-a-enion-the-know-the-beenion

that social is a fact-suffing from the of the There's a good. This is the time This is there We're coming Sabrang Maw-Damar Panulhu Or Sabang Noi Leto

SABRang! What's about your name? Al-hmdulah, I'm still alive. We're going to be this day, this is one co-rematant, it's about to be d'atangy you.

Tell me about By the small in Jokja, then I'm going to know how can't get in Canada, back again to Indonesia. Mungo, please. Maybe that's cutokan name, my name I,

my brother, I like to be able to beck, and it's going to beck, and it's going to bea, not caroan, so, yeah, salem my father's name. So I'm like here

in Jukja, then, in Lampong, SMA to Jokja, three years after that after that, then after that, after that, back again to Indonesia, not jillazes rummutter, because then active in Lepeu, that.

It's as simple, it, actually. Can you know, from where do you? Can you? Can't beaughan to Canada, or that's the What's your decision? I'd be more romantic to be able to go ahead. Because that's challenge,

really, challenge from your father. You have to go out of the country, you'll make, whatever, but there's no other people of Indonesia. I'm not asking why,

okay, what the hell, go to where, come on, go, go, to go, yeah, all, this islethout, all the ratarindranosata, after he'll go back. It's going to be gladdened, but

in rest of respect, I'm glad to, because I'm because I'm having a chawahandra in the Muka, beneran, without there safety mat, the impetus, really, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no there's sodara, and there must fight to survival, and when it's up to the same a year, Indonesia has been a crisis monetary, that 98, that's safe to the United that's support from the room, it's also,

so it's interesting. Okay. How can survive? Do what weekend, if there's, if there's, if there's if there's a place, yeah, if there's a place, yeah, where in landang, if you have numpang time time, numpang long-lamp not not-enac-enac-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-te-cad.

The way, it's not a problem. It's very, very valuable for me. So, because of state of the journey-alern-it, when we're having stake life and death, After that, what's about that's about that's about that's about what I'm because if there's been a lot of, because if there's not too bad. If in Canada, it's not having room in winter, it's a great. Because in the sun at 10, it's up to minus 25,

just to get a kind of a lot of getting kind of, because of you know, matty in the road, because not, not there, or not there's heater, not there's a commas. That, it's a good interesting. And then what,

in there? Formally, formally, formally, learn mathematics, physical, psychology. Formally. Informally, yeah, I'm learning to be able to be able to be able to get along with

people from different, many different backgrounds and culture, that's enrich. It's a space of possibility. It's interesting. Minot or catertarikin' with physical, mathematics, When you're from when? When in college, or when in the time S.D., SMP, SMA? Because wiring, I was a pemallus,

I'd like to be able to get it, that information not just to be able to stop. If I'm, if I'm learning to that, I'm going to go and then they're just every time I have to learnes I'm always

I'm always I'm not going to learn that yeah, that's not ganti-ganty, the same that I think to find the

fundamental, what's like what's there, that's the thing, biotachorotanology. Wow.

But, then, the kind of can't, the biology, it's, can be governed. All the process

biology is, it's been with, with the But all of chemistry, but the methodology is, what, interaction, mechanics, it's just been disliked with physics.

There's, there's a lot more. If you're, oh, physics is, the way, if, there's a lot of correspondence, you know, the most the most of the reality in a way, the model that's, okay, I'm taking physical, I didn't take, but I'm taking physical,

but, but, you know, butchus, which, you know, marmatis, me. So, because, I'm going to be able mathematics also, as you're thingshoussing, and thingshershsing, and not physically, theotan, theotan, also the other than I also I'm taking psychology, because, in my opinion

I'm thinking of the behavior manusiness. I'm not sure. I'm not I'm not really. I'm not really. Wow. But, but the, but, but the, the, the, to do that, to be aphletica, a heiology, a hei,

a heclici, with what when back to Indonesia? No, no. I, I, I don't know. When I was, not, I'm not a-kechiran career.

I, basically, I, basically, want to understand things. Okay. Because life itself doesn't make any sense for us. This is finite.

This finite. This, this. whatever whatever, in the world, whatever, we're not yet, but we're not yet, that's not being able to be hindered by everyone. And then,

when the minute, what's the worst to be cheered? I'm not, not, not, I just want to understand the thing. How the world works? Why the world works? And so, I'm going to figure it.

I'm not, I'm not thinking career, I'm still, stupid, yeah, stupid, then. Then, how do you know, what's the beginning what's the first

after lullus, back to — After lullus, I got taught of acese in some of the

universities, but I'm what, but I'm talking with what I'm I was a lot of my heart of my heart I'm having fun okay having fun what's doing that making band lateo-it-do-it-so-it. So, it's applications that, I'm going to get uplifting 40-luxionist.

I was going to mumpulling 40-lago, the year-tenth-one, that it's about 40-year-old. Then, it's about 40-2, then, then, to look the poland, then, to look, and then, We've got to make a lot of the other than the result of analysis to be. And not sing-a-train, tersupegut by label and the rest of the school. I'm 12thed in-rublai.

Belajar music from how year? I'm affinity to have music, it's not deep-get, really. I don't get-be-bent, but that's not-de-get-bant. But that skill that's acquired, like, I guess. I'm playing music, I'm more than that's more than that. I'm more than music, actually. Music as a medium, how they can't be able to be able to be internal reality

that. That's a big question for me. That's only noise that's notepidant of, but it can't affect the cat, can't, can't be able to make up, it's impulsive, this. This is very much. I'm not evening can't even come as much. But I, when I was part of hearted,

I'm hearing music this, so I'm at the hell, what's the power of music, so I'm concerned, I'm going. So I'm going to learn physiology manuja, also learn the science of frequency in music and try to make sure menacing. Penasurer. I'm curious.

I'm not. Manority, but curiosity is the mother of invention. Yeah, right? An obstacle, yeah. And, okay, how this is to be we're going to be able to be we're talking about in penediction, yeah?

You, if I'm in fact, I think of course, is very biger and deeper, yeah, right? Capiawayan in physical, mathematics, philosophy,

mace, much, There's a book that's justo' called out of the title of range. Yeah, which is called David Epstein. That he justeruncant the importance of the generalization, it's more important than specialization. Padal actually we're in the era specialization,

apalagued for them who a good coding, you know, yeah, you know, job computer science. It's the most people, that's the same, in the years, the jago accontansy,

the most likely. But, argumentation the David in the book that, it's episodic, where,

in the time in the longer, that, that's more able to mitigate risk, as a structural, is a new

that's a generalis. Now, this, how do you? Now, this, do you know, with, maybe, what you've done or what you've done

now, what you're doing? I'm not sure. If you're not wrong, that's right? Buttell? Beto.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just remember associative if, if I'm not, if I'm not, okay.

I'm really, agree with it. Because this is one that's one that's the fact that's more deepened. Because science itself is built on a specific paradigm, paradigm. Science is said that's as a paradigm reduxionist, where problem that's compartmentalized, in localization, all the other is that's categorized paribus, that's not be able to be able to the same way,

this is that's realignation. This is that's why it's the way. Manusia and the alam, not like that. All right, all the variables are correct. So, so yet, paradigma reductionist that has made problem that's

the same this, that we've been, like the word of, we can't makechaqqqqqqqq with the way of thinking that same when we make sure. This is a radiance-resolutionist that's a specialization

that's been used to be used 300-tenths down this is amazing but there's a bigotisenging that we can't be able to look in fact that we're just about 15-year-lons that long, if it's not wrong, it's one area

in the paradigm a sub-veh phenomena that's paradigm that paradigm was system thinking where it's not as not as a reductionist, but as well as well as to general. So, we'll see, all of the things that are from the object, not object that's the object that's

the problem, but the objecting of the object, how the back looping, how, the controler, how much, so. So, the plagi motor, it's not business, it's like, science can't get, but the business, how, the machine's, how, can'totment, how much, but if the system thinking, he'll look, this isyakable,

where the same thing is the same thing what's the whole thing that's what you can't be looked by people who are generalists because they're just as a whole I think. I think what I'm saying, I suppose with the point of it, because now

everyone is debaed upon adductions, but what is to look to look at the the system thinking to make, to make, to make, to make. So I agree with the generalist, it's very important. Anyway, that's specific, it will be

can be changed by machines, this we're going to be in a era narrow, artificial narrow intelligence. Narrow, all of the specific that's, and then again, can be changed by the machine. But what, what,

intelligence, the general intelligence, AI. That's only human who can't, that's not even being the manusian. Because next is generalist, it's really needed. This is, this is for making harapan.

Because many people people are lomba-lomba to learn to learn that the kind of the

kind of, so that they can't dole-like-louc-laping, but there's also that I'm not going to be coding, this is how I'm going to beaure I'm going to bea-anthropology, this is going to beck-lacu or not? Now, that's, if, I think,

specialization, is, but generalization, to, the, to, more for the long for the long-to-can. Now, it's just how we can't meddle just to specialization to generalization, so that's to create stability,

yeah, can, in nation-building to the front. Now, back again, on the peddickan, this I, I've been, I've been quite sering about

the importance of the good-gru-the-cuit-go-the-go-the-go-the-cue This is that if I'm saying that if you're if the top 20% they can't do that one-year-old that's a number of the average that equivalent with 1.5-tawn. But if guru that at bottom 20% quality-notice, it's in one time just in ajarar ajaran

that's just a half a half a lot of now, that's how, how to think of how to make of how to make it to the way to get up to the future, so that's going to be more to be more. Maybe the point of my opinion I think that's, because, I think, the methodology of the education is, I'm not as well as far as radical, ushast. methodology

and the moreepleified guru and that's the restructure and sethifties, and set uproos it's assuming that society is in a strata knowledge that quanta so there's steps that like tanga, like.

Inferra, in the era of the information in terms of the age of information, can't be honest, I mean, she's not just the same person, and the same can't. Is it really, benerter with what he askeder-can? But, manusia, too, but the other, but he'seric, he has learned only what he had he had that he didn't even get to the ultimate truth.

The most important is the model, model model, that he's always learn from anywhere, can't learn from wherever, methodology to make upgustics of the illness, to get upgrading theiriness, how much. Because methodology guru and murid, it's effective when era of the longcaan information.

Information's a little, the booker, by the booker by facilitator who, the facilitator, the mubowahua, then, do evaluation, whether information that can't be able to make sense to givepats to the student or not. Now,

method that's not method of fix. Methode is because limitation communication. So, when it's notarer communication to elevate, with the data technology, limitation of communication, so it's open.

We can communicate with whoever, whenever, wherever. Dispersy, information, it's, the, the word-fieler information, it's soar-bias speed

the public's very high. But we're getting a lot of the bookings if we're curation by the people now, information that's better there's curation, that's dangerous. So, logic, I agree. But fundamentally, I think I,

there's more be changed, we can, I can't take the concept of Gajar, Dailantoro. So all of the students, all the school, the S-D, can't learn from S&P, S&P can learn from SMA, the child can't be able to be able to be sure or

if it's true, if it's not, if it's good, if it's justru can't gawing everyone, that's as well as, it's in a way of the education which is called as a feignment method, where how to learn the most effective is with being aghury

other, that's methodelic in the feignment, So that's, so that's revolution in the world of the education, this is really important. And for the revolution, we can't be out-of-the-box, in the world system that there. System that's now

from limitations. So we have to be able first principle, we're looking first principle from education, and rebuilding the way of education that's new.

Well, I'm not, I think, is like that. And on the society that's making can't make sure the fact that's about stratification of it. Who's who really competent, who's really is who really is,

what he's really psalmation? We still still can't make a difference, the person who's title of the pediguanian-tinged, or, maybe, the, the people, but he's a pomew'u-do-o-do-and, that's not not bring something new. But there's a prop-possess that

but not good but not yet rare, that's not commodity, or not the sum of the power of the human that we need to be able to be able to get that's got to have the money that's good. So, I think, fundamental change is to have been revolutions for the policy of this. I'm not, I'm sorry.

I'm just about, not, it's not. It's more effective to learn in the community, in forum, from the campus. Because curriculum in the campus, not as fast update with what in the labang.

If you're aware of this, they're, they should have to do there something wrong. We're going to get up. We're going to get up. We're getting to get it. Well, it's not-long-long-long-sunged education,

it's not-than-democratization. Yeah, right? We don't need to do canals that's exist in a hundred-a-toum. But what I want to try to get, this is a paradox, where I've seen-en-act in episodes before,

... ... information that's so that has been so democratization, but the idea is not democratization, yeah, can? That's what we're looking is, creation two eco-chambers that's very polarization,

but not too much in two eco-chamber the same. Now, that's, I think, It's a bit of so that's a good, because democratization of information, but democratization of idea, this I'm not,

to how much, how much, or news, that's now, it's now, but what's not is, editorialization

to have information that or to be dissemination. So there are some of the phenomena, if I think I'm not that's not democratization, it's difficult to

we can't make the quality of good. Mungo, please, if there's if there's pan-a-can If there, if I think

what I'm what is what by Mr. Gita, we've been told us. We've got to be the formation. We've got to be seen, demographization. Why, what's the idea is not? Now, back to me, with how to look at paradigm,

the same thing, then we've got to be able to connect what that's what happened. If I'm going to look at it, with a iceberg model. Peristee-in-law, it's because the pola that's because of the structure that's a rule of the game's media and set up. And structure that's true that's

there's because of mental model that. I think of it. I think of what, what, idea is that's been able to be deposition to make in a way. Because because it's not there's not yetixturialed the way. So the way has to be pactsa. Polar has to be dorong with power. Because if the structure is there's idea, poloan will be able to with the same thing, what's the way that's what we're trying to dole that's not just as well as

number one is, but to make up structure that's the best of the processor that's going to be. If the structure, the ecosystem is not going to be it and the waystewa it can be able to be with, with, with, but I'm, in my opinion, from the system thinking, what's the thing. What's the end up in Indonesia is, I'm a bit more than a bit.

Because the most of the pastime, if you're looking, goutle, it's done, so they're making sure. Why, why, Rhabo? Oh, catering, I. There's structure there. Why I'm going to catering that?

Mental modeler, I try catering that most much, that's the most. So, mental, the most, made, gottelan. This, can, someugan-down-down-down-d-you-s. But we can't change in society, if we don't even if we can't be able to be able to be able to change

if we're going to change the policy, or to not we have to look, we have to look, we have to look, we have to make the model that's that made that's happening. We're going to focus to symptoms. We're not focused to disease. Yes. Yeah, right?

That's a metaphor or analogy that's same, with what you've already described. But, but, but, but, but, I'm going to, I'm still, peripotesa, that's it, technology, or technolo, this is very per-perant to not

to not make make make sure there's democratization idea. Yeah, can? If we're like, if we're looking at TikTok, we're looking at Instagram, that with the power of machine learning, or artificial intelligence, they will be itchewing, even with the intensity that's more than before it,

until there's adixty. Now, addixie like that, if we like to look like, kukes, kukes, or a dog, or olaraga, it will be able to dogguhing through, until we'll look at HP our day. Now, that's, if I'm in order to be able to beaubati. For the keyment we're democratization of idea. If he's like, yeah, boy, besocken's, they'd be cast to look,

don't get to look, right? Yeah, right? Now, that machine learning, or artificial intelligence, not designed for the penitings social, the penitinant apopun, yeah, right,

who, and I'm, I'm looking, justro, if we're going to be democracies to be a different, that we have to be able to think and so divergent. But without democratization id, the divergence, that will not be true. I agree totally,

so I think, when I'm going to watcher, noton, what I'm going to, what, what, know, documentary social dilemma, and some of the commentar, the people of the social media, and so forth

they're aware of this problem. And they're aware of this problem, and they want to say, But it's not much because they're resting on mental model profitability. Absolutely. So if they're going to be, this is a ru-asacture.

Because structure is for creating money. I'm not anti-creating money, but creating money can be effect something for something bigger. And I think also, creating money is important for sustainability. But this is back to the perdebatan Joe Russo and Samet, the first of all-al-al-it, So how capitalism also can't the capitalism that's not as a brutal where

industry in the world, what's the world, and so on the restriacan, that's industry that's even mish. It's making up. But, but, it's not... For the russam TikTok this, I think, over my view, yeah, over my view. So, the problem of my society, that's in the area any time frame

it's always distribution as a lot of 10% as a pioneer, 80% as a follower, that's the most of the bottom as the society because it's not to carry on the distribution positive. It's the simple thing. Now, the head of technology, it amplifies some segment of the society. because because of the market

in 80% because of the same that's all the same that makesleaking range in, because they're making profit the problem is there's not

that there's that's important, the handle the 10% because, because, I think who have people, like we're,

but I'm going to go where, I think, if I'm going to work in the I'm going to bring up because TikTok

Facebook, Facebook not yet that's not even maybe there some people. I'm making sure you make sure they're because of the point of people

as a billionarer of 10% this, beer there there's a place. If there are people who ammang in terms of think, they're going to build growth himself,

bianself, because if they're being in position in society, they're going to be replicated by the generations of the future.

Like the hook of voluosity. Now, this is to try to be an initiative in there, that profit not too big change in a society. This is not very difficult, because of the people who are quite in capital in the world, mental model is profitability. So,

to now I'm not too, it's a bit of difficult, people who are who are in top hierarchy in the sumber-daya, but think, I think, let's go to 25 years, we can't crafting, for mental model. This, budget is a bit of, I'm just a bit of a bit of surhat a little. I'm looking at the way for...

I've got tracked the way that's for bill press or bill card. That's, I'm going to do it's just going to make it a little, can you make a change in for society that's very big. That's a per-empat from one of one pass-lorn president, president, it's pernipat that's a significant change. if you take to leverage point that's right.

Leverage point that's. I mean, that's the point that, the symptom-na, or in poland-inor or the model. If leverage-pon it's not to model, gives a time two-tawn, budget that's very little than the value politic that's so much.

We can't make significant change in Indonesia. Not even then it's going to be good, but trajectory society It's like tilting to get up, giving. The problem is not easy to find someone who has vision for society.

This is interesting, because I'm going to try to take again, if we're going to try to take if we look, the development technology is very exponential. And we've already that, the

the technology this beckery with things which ishaworthy that's not that's not democratization idei not

this is a lot of it's got to becated or has been by the ranker regulation and and, and,

and, and, and, And, the way isaughanusiness too too, and not eveningotty perubhanes-a-gutely

this linear, and perubhanesan technology is exponential. Yeah, right? Now, perbedaan or divergency between two things this is supposed,

this isicapy with participation manusia that's in process politic. Yeah, right? So that's in the uniliality

this is topang, like to keep up and technology that's more exponential. But what I'm can't understand is why, not or below too many people who

have been pediggan-tingy, it's going to move to process politic. As a can-again, there discouragement systematis.

For people who are quailitas, ah, from I go to politic, mending I'd be making startup just. Or I work just in bank, or work in a person consulant or what. Now, that's how much, the way that's young in Indonesia

that's good, inunditia, who are good to process politic to be able to be able to, to be exponential, can't make sure that's exponential, that's true. Okay, I want to respond to it. There's a few aspects.

Okay, aspect first, this is a mental model that's very different between politics and knowledge system, with science, and things, and things. On the knowledge system, credibility is number one. You've made paper,

you have to be able to protect, You can't you're nothernal, you're just to look at all the world. Tools this, it's incompatible in the world politics. I'm sorry, not-pentee, credible. What's important, thank you. Yes, I'm sorry, that's not-pubing, credible. The most important, it's going to be able to be able to be. Ingates, at least two-three-mingue,

credibility-pansal, not-pent. This mental model of people who, who's real-tomom, that, is not completely. compatible in politics. But not that's that's that's the end. Because politics is like, politics is also emergence of choice, the choice, the people can't make structure. Lacky, like I'm going to talk structure,

because it's not even if there's structure that this effort is too much for people, what name, they're, who are people who are being in the science, in the data, they're not I don't want to make a credibility. What's what I'm... Oh, boy, yeah.

Harga ditty, that's hard of it. If I'm going to leave it. Pindach to politics, to make a credibility, that's not much. If there's structure that can't be able to medibati this, that he can be able to be being made up to be the same

policy, by the basis of credibility, we can't be able to that. So I think I'm going to politic, because it's the symptom to handle it. If we're making sure credible, you're still in the field of your, but the people can't know

in a way of credibility and expertise of the person. This if we're going to beadiping with politicians who's not in terms of the key-illemone, this is the people can't know who's decompetent. But we don't have structure yet. for that because we're because of the same thing,

there's been ever in the world where one human human human being having a perubhaping society that's when I'm getting up. Don't know. WhatsApp.

I'm not even can't imagine if there chat program that contact, the jangyangmend, I can't even be to bea. But,

but, but this change technology, change technology, there's been there in the a lot of the human's a depatheap so much

society this. And I'm think there, there's a little percent that's tuning in there's, we're going to hear in their next, how, how much, how what's the, there's a lot, there who's who has a little, there who has money, there who has been a tona, there's

event, this event, this, the event, the priestly, it can't be it by, it can't be able to be able to structure and pola, I'm not to me. So I think I'm like that. So I'm not the angle of attack that's not too much, I think, is the angle of attack is one of the is a cotak nublos

that can't embattany, right? Antara who's who has existed in the science, with the importance of our, in process politic. But, again, more structural, I think I'm going to the cotak nublos, it's also, it's also,

disugue information and peddication, yeah, that's, that's, that's very structural. Yeah, back again to issue of the issue of all that

how, how, so, that's just he has had, have to have to have to have to have what the right for the people

to the world to the world to be in the world that's a good so that he's a high with the and and what else if what is suguhin

in the cotak noblas is that the people who who who had juara in the bidsang other than that's great, that's that can't be contributed for the publician to the future.

I've made experiment this, man, in the first of the last I'm making application that's that's the application that's not to be mantaoed but not to make up but I'm going to

make up and voting where the most think to answer and I'm going to two candidates. Every week there's about 10 questions. And the two candidates from the team says to answer to answer to the question

then I'm displaying the application and then about the same of the this one, this one, but not going to be, but not going to the or the other, or the other,

the other, after she's left the answer that they'd decide, the one percent of the A, and how percent the B, that's correct

This is a question about about how much about how much about output that's actually there's a complaint that's my name every day, the job of the job just just to be able to counter-hap I'm not going to be able to, not

I'm not pahmap, okay, I'm again back to this, on this, on, what, name, diversity in society. There diversity knowledge, there diversity, If you're perfect, there's diversity of IQ in the other than, there's, there's diversity capacity in the otak. So, not everyone's able to be able to.

What I've done, what I've done with, which I'm trying to do with the methodology, testimony in the terms of testimony. Because I, I mean, in terms of health, I need advice of people who expert in health. But in the way, because I know mathematics, in the society, I think I'm going to be a good-gourou, in one way, get a guru in one bitang.

When we can crowd-sourcing, how to menelay a person candidate, we'll have expert view from all angles. And then the problem is how expert view this is, conversion to value by the value by the right by by the right. So, so that people who are not reset

can't even look that's more than from the experts. From where? From the expert's from where? That's from the society. Now, this, then, butthewal algorithm at certain. This, this is a good idea because I'm, if I'm a mathematical,

so I can't make sense of algorithmic that certain who makesil can output. That's what I'm trying to try. It's quite. But I'm not quite, but I'm just, angle of attack is systematic. This is the system of the structure. This is the same thing

that you've had been up before, in a separate, it's related between democracy with authoritarianism, You know, right?

Concept democracy, can we're we're being in the democracy, democracy the most-the-one-number-tie-demean in the world. And, if we're going to be consensualingamblean, we have to have a cuterbucka-man about the plus and minus-nearce

about democracy. What you've got about democracy is democracy is small risk, small return. can't be incriminatalism, yeah, can, d'auntaryanism,

that, if, hockey, the people's really biggain that's very bigac-sac-sac-na, brilliant, waddo, explosive, but, so-beligna, is explosive y'yngsop, yeah, right? Yeah, I agree. Now, I agree. Now, I'm going to try to back, Let's try to fast forward to the

how much more than the democracy to be more safe to the better, so that's about in the context how we can be more redistribusically to be a better than we're more sechartre, we're more than metric in whatever that relevant in the

Mungo, How much? So the problemahman, democracy, I'm... I'm trying, I'm trying to puttou, not true because vote

because food is clear, but I want to talk heuristic just principle of the principle of democracy can control,

executive, judicative, that's that's alling control one and other so that's getting optimal,

the that's the problem that's there's the problem that's the problem is that the problem is that's the problem is that we're doing that's not what we're doing people who are you're trying to take the optimal for most people for everyone as as much people so much people so much as it's been able to be able to be cartel like a lot of a subpoenaing of a suburb of a syndication what are coming up to be able to I think of the I think that's the capitalism and politics

is the lemahua'amahs that's the costumans, politics it's both constituent. Yeah. Rackiatia, if you can have a sound on the system democracy, this not only five-tawn-secretion, but also as a system of control, because what is that is that because of the atas, in order, I'm not going to say,

syndication, this is not not the syndication is in the form of the people of the people who are the human who has had the same for the for the penningan syndication to be it to be a good point. We can't take take from here. This is the a path of technology to the front, how blockchain distributist ledger that

can be able to be contender for the system economy that's control of the people of the what'sat-pussaritization, that's like blockchain is. In the society, it's not as simple, because of multivariam, that variant is very, but, I think I, it's the other than, the direction to distributed power that,

because there's one of one, I don't know, but if I'm not I'm not the same, if they're not, hypothetisic-can which is called fluid democracy, where there's

not there's not there's wakil of people. But, every person, it's representation AI, because we've already who can't

profile people, if every person has, they'll be able to every people. It's, every people's every people by people, everyone, like the people,

automatically, get up, if you're like, if you're gonna be able to one person, so it's a copy digital. It's, I think I, good ideas, but technological-wise, we're not enough structure

to be able to make it. What, what, in-tara-it-like-git- So, we think, I'm not empowerment people who are people who are not in the government not deregolation but more

more than experts in the bidang of each myself. I'm going to be it from mutter mutter. I'm going to look at this this is a lot of the way that I've beenir-can getonged rotong we're saying we're going to talk about goutong. If from the psychology, from the world of biologics, of the human of the human

that's common goal. the human goal is in the human that's in the world. If you're in the basis, the status social is that is from gotong royoong. You goetka-can-masawaray-as-as-as-a-harm, then, na' hir-a-hir-hir-sosial. From the kagat-got-Royong,

it's many things that have been made. mecahka of distribution of labor. You're what you? You're pinter what you're making macul, you're making up and you're making work for the next,

you make a house. So there's a book of social distribution of trust. If people not going to work backi, not can be hushed in this, this, this isa. You, if you're going to burrish in

You do you know, you know, like to do. There's a cohesi that's because it's a certainangooning, it's a certainangooning, it's not. That's been on the community

small that but what what's going to technology modern this? When when when you not with

making make make massacan, but, pamer chewa-gai- -bous-Bahers trying influencer, making sensations.

So, social not just the from the matter of matter of society only the object of what name is, the concept goton-royo that's true, the social is effect

something from the ability to make makehacking this. This, I try to replicate in the world technology. What is the bookings social. Buckees social in technology modern and we just have like.

Like to preferency, but, but, but, you're not mechhackan matter of anything. If there's bookies social to make make make sure that's because of what? Because he's about what? He's about expert in what,

in the field, and, and, we're in incremental, to make make make sure of the situation that's easier, that I'm still in the world technology that's still not yet, the nata social not

not termed with... This is... This is... This is... ...you're... ...you're... ...and, you're...

...the topic... blockchain, in the context democratization, the decision, which is the same this has been in the world of the world and if I see that internet, it's from 90-same, period of 30-year-perioder 30-tahun, that's per-tumbuant-per-tourn-purturet over

60-per-pess. But blockchain, application, that's the inception, growth rate is 120% per-torn. I'm not I'm nothipotesa that it'shawing that it's a lotchayant

that blockchain this is not only can be consensensens in context finance or or money

but it can even jolar to domain domain domain line can be for the importance we

can social re-engineer to we're doing political re-engineering, we'll make, of course, economic re-engineering, and whatever, because, because, in fact, fundamental, blockchain this is, because there's, one, transparency,

two, of, of, desensualization, that can't redistribusy, yeah, right? And, the, of course. Recourse, what, is, what, is, accuntability? Yeah, right? where, many domains that's this is the same thing that's the fact that's centralistic.

Now, this decentralization versus centralization, this will be a debate or discourse that's very in 10, 20, 20 years to the time. And if the phenomena this has beenuble 20% per year since several years ago, this we have to anticipations. Yeah, right?

To the point, that the application is, this, can't, be able to domain, domain, in the world to the economy. Yeah, right? I've been I've been I've been a bit about a webinar

what kind of that's about what you're in what? What kind of before subcommittee? And I'm

answer, this blockchain. Posicinia on this. When it's it, the currency, as a

representation of resources, we have explosive growth on commerce because because of the because of the token

because of the storage value so it's a lot of the game to make hierarchy so that representation to have

resources that we have given to beouacel can on a subter that's universal so that can be done to be tokenization

this is important in think it's it's important, it's been made something that's stuff like the something much bigger, because of the world of course of the world's. karma point, because of the blockchain, how much be able to be able togenessing.

So, it's a bit of tokenization. So, it's a... It's more than it's more than it's more than that's more than that's more than that can't be it's a possibility that's given blockchain that's even though it's evenericant. But to be able to look at it, that's a generalization, we need a system thinking to see this opportunity this. And, in my, this is up for grip, me. Siapa just still, still, is to be able to, to gampil.

Indonesia, you can't take it's, but it's the idea of ideas now, but not the war again, but not the war again, right, because economy, political, social, budaia,

it's all can be tokenized in a hypothetical, yeah, and tokenization, that's actually, yeah, it's, and I'm looking

if, If this is 120% per year, in a little more than 10 years, this is maybe era that explosive after era internet. And internet also, the development, desalerasiness, not too significant.

It's, that's the last 30-year, it's over 60% per year. This is still be consensumbringan, and be e-cory with era blockchain, that's I think, not only can, that's, be applications

in some other, other than economy or and money, or that's what I'm trying. That's what I'm trying to get support from where, man, man, because I want to talk about something that's before, so they're not even being about, why they can't imagine, why can't

say, I'll give analogy that's justeran. I'll say analogy that's justerana. Why, because of the token is quite, because this is quite amplify human aspect. Because of the debt, we try to doge. It's just to be used to. There's storage value in there,

there's fundamental value. But if I do with good in my kampong that, I'm just to be able to be able to be. It's not to be able to be. This is resources. But although distribution of trust, it's more fundamental in society, not more than the same fundamental in society

with resources. Distribution of trust makes up from the society, resources also from the foundation this is tokenization. And this is an interesting percolon. Angupe-la, this is in context of

money, if people want to pay bitcoin, yeah, right? in Afghanistan, he's in Kabul, he's going to buy them dollar, terima, peri, or what, you'd be it byrown with me, Bitcoin, just it's just to direct, he renders risk, risico sovereign, risk of what, that's even in conventional wisdom has been risk. Now, it's not just to be argumentation

to make upholing level of trust that's unpresidented. Yeah, right? Now, it's very much to be manvahatkan for the potential currency, social currency, cultural currency, psychological currency, apopunuchel,

yeah, that, that, So, yeah, we mustaer that this is not something mustahil to the time. Is it going to be in two two weeks or in our lifetime, I don't know. But if we extrapolation with lojica, this is not something that's possible.

Now, I'm going to tariff again, to issue or topic of democracy. Yeah, can? Angupe-la, the power of technology for the importance of our democracy this is not going to be time frame, I don't know.

But if I look at in democracy or process democratization, that's the most important is institutional building, right? how we can't, how we can't we can't even make up-un-as-a-constitutional, not as, not-terbatas-executive, judicative, but, all institutions that can

make-bearsar-can-basket. Yeah, right? That's the end-ug-ugn't-as-it-to-one. that's what's in democracy, that he or he or she, it's to be in the development of the strong of the lembagan or a lembaga. How, in my opinion,

my think I'm from what I'm? From what I'm from what I've learned here, system, up-pun, there's a result of it. System whatever, also, there's a good example of the gag-l. Yeah. What about from, communism, democracy, that's a lot of, democracy. That's a lot of the result,

and it's not the system. What is the most core? What is the core? So, I think that's the core is credibility from the people. If the person, whatever can be able to bring up society. If the people are not credible,

want system as well as a by it, because in the end, it's interesting in the end, it's the righteful, the same the most credible, and if it's optimal, the most capable, capable and credible. Now, we're also,

how we can't find credible and capable? If Janjad Russoe can't be like this, democracy can't be able to be more than the big Swiss. The sounder U.S. It's cutel-bucked, with Jav-Barat, it's far.

Swiss is very big. So this is a small because democracy, because of the same way to be able to be able to be able to be able to beacom with what he'll picket. When it's not known long, what's happening is biosecognitiv that's from media, from penitraan, and so forth. So, so that's people,

not because logical decision, even know with the person. But from, the impression, impression, system one, that's called Daniel Kahneman, in the system of sociatist, not the system biological, like that's what I'm called Daniel Kahneman. I'm seeing the way out of the token this

already. Credibility, it's only able to be awashy by a little people. But every person, has to have a little person in the secretarney, which, as a liquid, the velocity of the stinging as a high currency, that can't

hierarchy that's based on social contribution. if we can use the election as a basis of trust and we can't even make sure that we can't make even more than the more than the same thing than I think I'm like, if we're saying, if we're still methodologies as well as, we've failed

on the hypothesis that's been talking to say crusoe, that democracy is great enough, and more than Indonesia, it's just from the media that we're not even through casting or not. We need to puttile sources. How credible sources?

It's if one institution so it's centralized. Ideal has to decentralized. So how much every person can give token social token that's already, in the time I'm trying to work. This is what I'm trying to build

social token. Because it's not only important for Indonesia, but also important for the hypothesis of the world's of the future. I'm not sure. I'm concerned about your panhandle of

this. This is we're looking at Tionk, America, the United, that's among muck, the system of the government that's different. Ideology that can

be able to be bad, but two-douanut capitalism that's quite is a lot of one, one of one another, one other, democracy.

How do you how do you look at the past the time we need, we have to make Huawei or have to choose iPhone?

Okay. I'm looking that's allang again, Matt, I've done, it's allang again. It was all right between democracy and communism, where that,

where one, one, one, is one, very free. It's, you know, to see now, who's what kind of peti, yeah, in terms of economic, kind of welfare, in a way, sure, as far as growth, if we'll look at it. Yeah, multivariate, but I'm from one side of this issue, that's one way, this way,

that when China, with the foundation of its' but it's based the system capitalists in the atasn't, it's got to be more optimal than the other. This is again, in the world online, public space, where all initiatives are there's been, where all the aghazan, what, inund, in the United States, in the United, in the United, is very free,

very bad, about what about what I'm about what about about about about and Indonesia also to go to keep in Chinese it's very controlled how they're very controlled to the world, the room public in social media

and in the internet, and in the internet, it's very control. Then, they're trying to balance with social credit social credit that's not tumbled from but social credit

that's drop down from you've got to give up to sell credit if you've given the credit's more, if you're if you're going to run, and so forth in Indonesia, we don't know structure to do that. Social credit, like China.

Social credit, we're... diversity of value is so much so much. And government is not enough strong to handle it. Fundation the foundation control not not even can't drop

from the top. When weircaths, let's let's beaithous, population that's upon what I'm talking about, unliterate, this is too much to make sure to make

the room public that's very egaliter can be counterproductive. Because, the room public that's egaliter, we can hear the base of us, but also can't We're the worst of us.

Nanty, the rasteringing on the ratata literacy is what, the latter-rata knowledge is about, we can't see the chaos

of the world public in Indonesia. Meliard from the taronging the, the ruminism and democracy that, to answer

public, I think I'm think I'm sure how we can make sure we can make from the emergence in

because we have infrastructure, we have structure mental model that's gotong royong, which is what I'm the same, this is the basis of social token that will come from from below. It's more compatible for Indonesia. We can't get to be able to be

China. The sum of our data our own energy, our own, ecology, we're different. So we have to find a system but idea social credit that's good ideas, asal not by single authority. This is a egalitarian,

this is just, this is decentralized. That's the idea. Now, let's the idea. We'll try fast forward, that you. Pandanan of that like that's like to the

I'm going to be more concrete, for the keypentinging Indonesia, to the 2045, 24-tahun-old-again. How many? Bentook our with the smagat gotong-royoong to make up-oak-soscial credit, then we're, what, yeah,

what, yeah, what, this is what? I have to implement to be a room to be interaction because that's structure that has been used to be able to be able to be not going to be what I'm going to be what

also. That's what I'm going to do. What I mean? All resources that I've got from artists like what and so forthon that, it's all I'm betting on here how I'm making a structure, a structure where mechanism,

gotong, it, can't run through social credit. Social credit from the bitangue, from the demagerness, from the demagerness, from the natuaglia, it's based on contribution to memecatchen massac. This, real-ne, I'm trying to make social media. There are two things that I'm doing. So, how much...

evolution. There's two evolution. There's there's one. There's two evolution. There's token. Token resources which is a currency. Token preference, which is called status social, many people are people, many people, many people. It's been the next thing that I've beenongued, that's token

contribution, token manfaat, token impact. How can you can give impact on society to mechahaposition this, this is my opinion my botasies I'm, the other than the other the same human trade

revolution industry is amplifying human mechanical energy that'd that'd be maceol sawh just one hectare in a day

with tractor can be able to amplify human power then technology digital amplifying communication which is very fast and very fast

next. Next, I think I'm, amplification from brain power what's the word so much, so that's, it should be able to assist people to make upmanquarensia to make upland comprehensions,

make mumpulcan information, so that's the way fasal that he wants, to assist by AI expand your knowledge. Now, that real-in-lawful, I've got to be able to be able to... About 1,000-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-7,

I need-tell to build a social media that carry-out two ideas that. Token of impact and amplifying brain-power. I'm with the time. Interaction with you know how much. I'm in the way of the same the way of the same way. The other thing is,

by all the interaction is, where everyone end up social credit when he's making something. One of the impact of the next thing that's been the democracy, the way of the people who are doing something. Don't the most of the whole lot. Don't the most...

Don't the... Don't know what, but social credit detail, this, from where? You've done mechaqqqa what? Problem how? Expertismu, where? This is. That realness, I'm making.

Optimist? Simbolic. You? You're optimistic? To the front. If, if, anguplaglia, this is a way, then you're going, then you'll see,

in Indonesia, that's a year? That's how, how many? I'm looking at it. Maybe from optimist, realistic, pessimist. Scenario optimist, like how? Scenario realistic, how? Scenario pessimist, how? This is this, I know, I don't

be able to use optimist pessimists, this trick that I've taken. Because, I'm not optimistic and pessimist, that's from the data. If you're not optimist, you're not perimis. You know you can't anticipate what's going to happen. And I'm doing. And I'm doing something

that's the cost to be a result. If not, what's so, if you're going to, so, but I don't know I have all resources to do that. We need to do it. We need that, too. Perang, to, put, so much more than what a lot of course. too. So if it's I'm not to what next to society? We're going to...

What's the thing? What we're doing? This is a lot of Georgia University at all the year. This, then, release, youth release, this. Arrheny, all. When we're backer, we're talking, we're doing work in platforming, this. This just by people to be gagged by people.

Because it's pretty obvious, if we're looking at a direction, to this one one's one that's 2045 that this is the best course path to the

path to be the back to be about being about about the penitian about 19772

so there there's penit in MIT if not if not if not if it's

by Gaya Harrington if I was called I remember the name that Gaya Harrington that he makes plot course

plot he was He has been able to industrialization, this is growth. When there's group, there's limit of growth. If it's limit, this is a limit of growth. How, yeah, limit of growths? When, in chart, there, there are three plots. First, business as usual.

Plot, the plot is as usual. So, yeah, we do something we've done with the same we've done, that's the first we've got plot the 2 is CP comprehensive

technology how we're making make make sure to make surenative in this plot the third is SW

stabilized stabilized world the world the world the world is stabilization business as usual is business

as usual is business as much we're using we're doing we're doing if we're if we're comprehensive technology

is that's we're all the technology if stabilized that's the same way, how we invest on the education, and on innovation. Then,

in 2020, we check, we, we data, the data, the world, we could plot that's,

to check, me, what data, the data, the data, do not, we, it's,

exactly, we could plot in business as usual. We're I'm the plot the first. And prediction of the first, business as usual, that society will collapse in 240. That's what, if you can't,

that's because production, willpower, and, I'll be blamed the lake, if we're business as usual, because feedback positive, there's collarsioning. Plot the second-thewan-thinking. Plot the second-to-comprehensive technology,

it will be a hard-lending, soft-lending, but not a certain-angirling that. But there's a sustainable growth, what's the way, this way, this is 4,000 can't go on the world. The kunchy-inia is the investment how, as soon as a bit of education, education.

How much to answer this? That's what we've done to do, we can't make social social, if we have to make sure some mass education without making making sure how the motive utama for what I'm like hierarchy

of the kind of status social that's there's many different there's a keycayan, hierarchy popularan, there's hierarchy copulneration, there's kind of and so forth. This hierarchy is all has been

been around for society that stable. But, If we can connect that we can't connect with my I'm pretty optimistic, because if you're not if you're not going to optimist and pessimist, yeah, yeah, calculations, yeah, that's going to do, from the calculation that I'll do. Optimal course is here, so,

so, how we can't make a lot of public, where we can make mechaq can't massac-as-cal-caligues, they're going to be on status social. to be a status social social social what's the nature from the human being that's just to have to be accommodated but how much better than how much more than the way tommasks mechews tomecatchackan side. It's not a lot of tokenization

from social credit to impact their, because we're society has already made, not just one campung, how we have to be able to do that. This is pretty complex. But I think there's if we're not in terms of the way, if we're still in terms of the world, if I'm not sure, I'm not sure. Optimist, I'm not sure.

Optimist, because not the data not enough, because if you're not enough to be able to optimist. If you're going to do, the rish management, after that, that's just. Yes, I'm sorry, if it's complex. No, no, no, no. I'm not. No, no, I'm not.

The most of the most of the most the most of the most of the best that's really, really, be back-up. Yeah, not that we're too naive. And, maybe the penelity, in the two, he, is, is, is,

has been calculated black swan, event. There are some of the that COVID-19, this is black swan. If I see, this is more than to see this one

this is a anomaly that's actually be anticipated. This is not totally unanticipated. Now, apakak-pac-in-courts-examput that's been incorporated events, or episodes, episode,

that's going goy-attray, or business as usual, or stabilized world, or, or, or, whatever. But I, I, see, I'm, I'm looking at glass, it's in a set-a-pennou. I'm optimistic. And I'm looking,

Indonesia, that in 2004-5, is... ...cerned-manked. And we're going to be able to be able to get over the episode, or maybe, or, maybe, we're going to be a good-noticed that's a more than

disrupting, disrupts, that if it's been able to be able to constructive or positive, it's, the tic-in-flexy-in-y-nata and we can be able to total, like, from nowhere to somewhere, in time frame that's very finite.

Now that's very much to be in 24 years to the time. How? There's a question of time frame, too. If I believe that, if in the scale, global, whatever happens, human is going to learn. In the end, we'll get more dewsan, If you can be the great filter,

if you can't even, if we're talking about specific Indonesia, we're on the pan-gung of the world, so we have, in terms of a rival, rival's the other, if we're not as a human. So, if we're talking, the time frame is the essence, is, if we're in fact-five hebat,

that, it's crafted, or just or just to be able to puttick, I don't even hypothesis of Weber to modernization, where the alurr has to be able to do we have something more to offer. I think, I think, what, All of the other unique-and-pournial and has the power of the same from where. I mean I think I,

to get to get a time frame that's quite to be able to be key player in the pangoon, it's, it's to be calculated. Not by evolution just, but crafted evolution. Now, best thinker, need, I guess we're like, how this, what's my opinion. Yeah. That's my opinion.

What we have to think about, for Indonesia to the time essence in this, I think, one of the one of the one of the first one that's one that's happening in China, in Japan, in Taiwan, it's been a ruckableness demography. And bonifes demography is finite, finite, time. And in the story that I've learned a lot of the world that's not able to make uproofing and it's very difficult,

naïn, Africa's a lot of, now, Indonesia, now, Indonesia, now, this is the bonus demographiness. If with so many of people, there's not a structure that made them self-propelled, this, this is,

the arus-out-tabra-and, and we miss once of a lifetime opportunity from the position. So, I think, time of essence, we have opportunity in this, this, this,

if we're, if we can't use time frame in 12, 20 years, this, we'll miss opportunity, generally. Yeah, why I'm notepat matting-matian-necked like this,

because I'm, I'm in, this, this is once in a lifetime opportunity, this is finite, anyway, goagal, yeah. Mati, but not yet, matting toulous. What, ending point is just as much. And I've learned from business in this.

If investment, it's kind of information that's the information that's the information that not past, investment engandung risk. Yeah, information that's the most of the life, can matty. The other, can probability. Okay, I'm not invest, okay, I'm not invest, If I'm at what can I do optimally

in time frame that's given. Yeah. But, but we can't get information that's not, but asymmetry information is also excess. That's what's the risk also. In context of whatever, not investation just. And I still have been a biterimetry information this is still and many.

And back to topic of all today, that information, asymmetry that's not that's not true, that's structural. If we're about democryation in fact, that we have to democratization idea.

But it's not a lot of it, because, yeah, that the kind of the things that we've had discussed in detail. Asymmetry to have information, acquisition and comprehensive to have some of the components one component nature

where the way the result of the DNA number two availability to have information to be. Number three, methodology to have miscaradowinging information to be. Information

very much has been there's already, model, nature, not we can't be able we can't. What we can elevate is methodology how to acquisition information that's so much effective growth

theory. That's the method of the method dothediness, that's the most effective, in fact, I think of the case, which is done to do with the law as well as long as long as long as long as, rather than rame, ganket for methodology, comprehensive, information. And I've been, and until now, there's still there's social. general custom, what,

method of comprehension that, this is that this is that I'm doing with symbolic. Thank you. Last, I want to ask. End game, what?

End game, okay. You know. You've got success to music, has success as a heathletica, physical, and now,

I'm going to be symbolic. End game, what? I'm not know, parameters success, but okay, if you're okay, if you're just, if I'm glad to say, al-belin-law. But,

but I'm, you know, can't I'm looking at the nature maystaking space of possibility for us. Nurture menedia can't

a way exploration, but consciousness can make we make, we'll make the location where we're

per-stiring. Now, the game my name is this one one's the blackout. For society is the power of course, it's the ability to convertions

into actualization. There's a machine conversion potensiness the proactualization to be able to be able. The commasance peradapan is conversion that effective.

End game I have. Summangan to have time frame of my life I'm what I'm what I'm what I'm, what I'm saying, what I'm going to do this? I think make sure the system conversion that's the most effective to convertions of the people can be actualization, because that's the impact of the most part of the society.

system conversion this has been evolution for the same and I think I'm not even this is a good, it's been able to make make sure, if it's been able to put if it's been puttick, the inclination will inclinations up, that's endgame, I make system conversion

from potency, to be actualization. Wow. This, this is a loter-biasa. This is a discussion that's a philosophical, but I'm very interesting. And I see that you have to really, really, make indahed-can the world of our. And I, too, not-assimate the kaian our owneratheaval our which has existed for easily 2000-tahue last.

Yeah, right? And this has to gossock. and I'm going to go back again, in context decoupling or percerayan, between the U.S.S.R.C. Tyeongok is a peradaband that's the age of 4,000 to 5,000-t-tahun. America is two-and-tousand-tahun.

Permanu jembattan. The jambatant that's the most lochis is a lot of the world that'sa that's a bit of a few years, or even in Indonesia, that's actually inundasia, that's been exisdial in the millennium the first,

Ajahit, the millennium the two, and that it's not that, that, we're quite as well as it's a carer way, in the way, right? Apalajy, even if you're the development of technology, instrumentation,

that can eveninghacken or more more than more, this, the application. Exactly. I agree. Yeah, right.

There's not one one of the other human who can comprehend the potensy potency of Indonesia, we're, we're very diverse, we're very

talented, problem is the conversion is, I think we're saying. So, when we can't conversing this is a fact effective, not authority, this is, system that can, what, what, name, what,

we have a layout, layout of the development that adaptive to make the problem that that's being because, because point adaptive that's very important for the war

pancang Sabrang thank you very thank you very much thank you very much thank you very much thank you very much thank you very if you're not

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