Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Said Didu: Jangan Turunkan Layar di Kala Badai

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

Refleksi pembangunan bangsa dari masa ke masa bersama Muhammad Said Didu, seorang pengamat kebijakan publik yang pernah berjuang baik di dalam maupun di luar sistem.Topik selengkapnya:0:00:00 - Intro0:01:23 - Pengalaman bekerja dengan Soeharto0:12:56 - Bangsa berjiwa sosialis, ekonomi kapitalis?0:19:52 - Yang menggerogoti kita pelan-pelan0:24:36 - Pedagang ketidakpastian0:31:33 - Tetap kembangkan layar kapal, meski badai0:48:26 - Kesejahteraan guru dan pendidikan1:07:23 - Sanksi moral dan politik#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #SaidDidu------------------Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:https://books.endgame.idSudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini:Goodreads------------------Episode lain yang mungkin Anda sukai:Sebuah Surat Cinta untuk IndonesiaBivitri Susanti: Mengapa Hukum yang Buruk Boleh Ditentang?Etika Politik, Tata Negara, Filsafat Ekonomi ala Tom Lembong

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person, public. Mr. Mr. President, thank you very Thank you. Thank you. This is from from our own.

Mr. Puckett. Bapa, has been a decade in the government, learn to beaucrat and technocrat and technocrat.

Yeah. Cherokee, Pat. Latamabang, Bap, from from the way, from, I'm from, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm just, I'm using, to, USMP. But, but I'm sorry, preintis of them So, so I think

that I'm sure, that when the country is it by when it'si by people, people are people say, people get,

people get, bibit, is it from the cuturunan, I have to beit, from the compotency, otak,

diisit, the end, and bed, bed, it's from gulan, jaringan. Now,

so I think that, if I'm taking partimbing, and perimbing, melaer, the givit, bobot, and beit,

That's that problem now problem now this is that's the kind of

about the part of my patita I'm given by Allah I'm

always I'm from the little I'm kind of I'm I'm

class two ESMP already back school because I

not I'm I'm I'm I'm class two ESM

Kude Tekototot Osis because because there Pann and

Maybe one of the other than the United States is why I did. Because the people who are the lawyahuasis, I'm not there. I'm not there. But, but Allah hasi, this, I've got to beabase in three places, Kedctoran, NIPA, IPB. Now, cita-cita, I want to be able to IPB. Wow.

So, so, so, but, but, this, I always I don't happy if there's problem I'm going to

think that's about that 805 an who's what who's the who are people who are I'm going

work to my baby I'm coming to be alumni the not did get used

I'm not I'm notar too by the I'm back Abi I'm a bit I'm didn't

say if BAPah only can bringang can and capal. Negara Indonesia

is a country botanian butu biotechnology. A week then I'm coming to

come to me and I'mgues, I'mgues, I'm going to say, I'm saying, saying,

that's that's because of people, but I'm people, who's, who's

people, P.A. Shudormono, a heli bioteknology. Abis it then, it's, so,

BPP technology. And that's a granda and it's a year of course from the country from PASICC PABB

mempins project $30,000 $24,000 24, 24 years. Dissutelah integrity

we did doji. I'm at Mr. Hartto so that maybe many people know,

alluro Pembutut Kabilit 8,7, 9 CIV CIV the city

is there because because Ketua Haryan-Rey Dewe who have won't have got got selection, I'm taking administration, I'm young,

home 28 years. Now, I can't bekerja with, that's, so if you, so many people who see that's now and it,

yeah, I'm too too small, this, the room of my own, my house, that's,

but, but I always be with Dr. I'm I'll give about public Paham,

how much, how hard, how people if they're people, if they're On the same, I was going

It, I'm going to I'm going pabric pupug biologous Lansombedo I'm saying, Pa, I, you know,

you know, who you know, who you know, who you know what about Hassan and there's, he, he, what,

she, oh, yeah, so, and, then, it, but, you,

that technology not, that technology, that's, not, Professor Kuh, Bollue, , Pa, ,,

I'm in the Lamursit. Want to give them press, the bar pres, is set up $70,000, $19. 3, 9. 3, 9.

So, then, it's true, you know, to be able to be back to be my age 2, 2,000.

Pankil, Mentry, Shari Fulimbersa. This, Sadi, this, this, this is a social economy,

Pa, P, Pa, say, technology, he, he, got Pah, he, he,

he's, he's, he's, He's just, I see, I'll see, be debat 15 minutes and then, eh, how?

Pemeter, I'm sorry, did do, sir. Wow. So, I'm not, Mursit, that's,

he's robeck. So, not so, so, that's, that's the person, that's,

that's, that's, that's, people, who's, who never bergaued with Habiti,

if, if I'm, I'm not, so, so, so, that, the,

into, that, we're going to, because of the other, in the the other, it's not,

because I'm two questions, what you're making Bap, to givepac, to givepanian to givepals,

what he must hear. And the second, how you, how much, Bapakou, when you,

to be a process technocratization. I'm looking this, this can't tafsiran people,

because I'm going to make sure, he makes the bribal and very

very systematic arting that people are it's really very much we're we're in

we're in we're in part of part of that puttubbats to bebebassan beckar and make

the bestosan it's diselsaqq we're we're we're we're saying we're

about the perencanan national that began with perencancan technocratis

which did from curran big from the law from professor of professors to bureaucracy, to the government

and the minister after in bureaucracy then they're back to policy. Now, I'm not and I'm mindang

this okay, this, now, only people that's too people who can't say then I'm sorry

that, they're being different pedapat. We're we're doing gawionomics, Habibinomics.

That's You, Pat, you know, not, this. Art, it's not, not, this. I mean, arty, it's in the thinking it's in the thinking of my. Ah, here. Now, I can't know it, because I used to-sur-ur-ur-meranchang Taman Bua-Mekarsari.

Tampan-Bu-Makars-ari. Park, Gita, so, you'll bepahmah. I'ma-Bot-Tin, lo, the person. I'm the person who, you know, why I'm going to bea-manyi. Yeah, not-a-uang-a-sum-ta-u-sum-tau-su-su-sore. I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, I'd say it's a lot. I'll ask you again, why Ibu

to build a room and the house of our lives, she's beginning. If you're

not the men'ti menula and then it's all the generative. Canker,

the and we don't have and we don't know. Maka if people

to get money money, the question I'm why, I'm why you can't

bring, the country don't people who's people who people who's

who I mean, not sumbangant to do you. I guessant, I'm going to senderka to the country. That's, he said. Now, the turtegoon, I, Rata,

he said, he said, he said, he said, I'm going to bring a room of a heart in Papua. Oh, why, boo? He said, if he said, not even,

long, still. At least, I'm, you know, Malia, so, I'm, can't I'm not I'm

book, I'm going, I mean, the person, the person, the, I mean, I'm going to write a book.

I'm going to say, why, I'm going to be able to say, I can't be able to get into. I'm going to see what, I'm saying, you're going to say, wow,

I'm going to. Now, the question of, God, why I'm because, because because, because, because, that's a lot of

not, not, you know, not, I'm not, that, that's he, is a malum, the interbuckance

is quite, rather than, the other, bad, I'm yeah, imagine, man, not the man,

of the campung. Umur three, not the son's to be sure. Um, um,

two years, 30 years. Yeah. Manor, Bapa, as a analysis of public,

how much how much pergiseration or perubhance process of the people, the

time, Pardtok until now. I'm looking see, I'm so,

I'm looking, so, so, so, reformation, it's, I can, I can't

, she's, can't, can, , That's the one of the best of it, and it's that it's true that

all the political that's people who make sure I'm saying, I always say,

the result of the United is, menerhacking to be un-garde I can't, they can

be madhka me, they can't marry to say, yeah, 98, I've got the B.R.

Harapan I, It's It's not It's He's And he And he's

more than the He's critis That's the That's the part of the 98 This is Dementin'Rocan

So, Sohinka I'm, I mean, It's been It's until now.

There's There's There's That's And I'm Yeah, Sobott Yeah,

Mr. Pat Gita, when Abibi when I went to Rwant MPR and

I'm in the same as a big of politicians merah who, menerriakin

Habib Habib only back back. So I see how how much people

people people on the people in the public. Now, in the hukom

society and the law that hasyl, beens can't gettucked

on bad. Now, that's why, at that time, I'm saying, I must out from politics. I dole to goorkar. In Golkar,

to, uh, tingue, I'm taking as well, I'm going to see the chalue me, this is, whyluck my own, but yeah,

I have, there's a bit more, that's funny, but, I'm going to, be able to, but, may be people,

when I'm, that's at all, I'm, I'm, I'm, it, you can't, In the heart Sumantar Utara, number three,

what's the other? Not that's the only that's the only that. Why? It's only supply P to gopenter rural Sumantle-utara. Bayang-can, Pat, that's, wow, the, so,

so, if I'm going to be able to get it. I've got to chat out, the consupply P to goberno. Dich, I mean, I mean, I, selection like that, wow.

Now, this, we have we, we're going to how menempat people who have been

bibb, bobot and bebe, in the world people. I'm making context. If we

we're we're banding can the people, the Hong Kong with Asia Tengara for 30

time the last the end per people people take 10 Cally.

Pendatat per person Asia Tengara Nake 2.7 gali. This

because a few attributes. The first, that's that's not real- is that is a

investment in the public the business and that's good, the second,

the the infrastructure to be enough enough. We're not,

we're not. Asia Tengar also. The other. The other

Kekuasana and talenta. So, so it's Pemrecruiting in in Hongk is more meritocracy.

Yep. Not patronage and at all the loyalties. Bhaalitas. Bhaapha. In Asia Tengara more more than

loyalty and atopatronae. The four, the daisai sain, we can't we can't accru Ijinn, ushaha. In Tionk,

they can make out of 10. I'm using usah per 1,000 people, people, area,

Asia-Tengara, rata only one I mean usah, per 1,000 people. Now, the fifth, maybe. This is a bit too paradoxal, because Tyeongk, in a political, centralist, but, in the economy,

more decentralizedist. Okay. Many democracy in the world as far political, decentralized, but in terms of economy, more centralistice.

Panang of Bapa, how, about, about, about the things that I'm saying that I'm saying

this, or maybe we can be from the system between the point of the kind of the

kind of or from from the city or from sysi. I'm, I'm going to. I'm being this, I'm

like this, I'm being this, not ever really, because he is a part of

people. So, so, so, so, so, just, try,

think, we're, we're, we're, we, the, the, Bungarno to Pahart.

Bermalik, to go right? Yeah, right? Now, so, this, this,

all variable to be gone if the people people, the people bethaping it. Now,

problem of our people we're still too too, with political. Terlalue to keep

with political. Padahal, I want to I'm not saying, almost if they're consistent, it's political

not can be engagued. The point in the way to do you know and they're being able to do it,

not so, so, so, okay, like, this, this is a very,

very, because this, like, again, like, again, like,

again, now, when, to get to get something, if, if,

if, people, people, people, people, many that is

a better because of the problem now. Problems we're going to the same thing the samecirked

are people people who are the end upending like and it's thinking the people who can't be variable for people to people is

nationalism patriotism, what name you know, intellectuality, but in fact it's more because patronessy. So,

so, so, uh, not too, okay. Now, now, you know,

he may have notepkan that there's pernacan hukum. Yeah, you know, but,

we're, we're, we're, we're, we're success to because the,

because, the, The country has already under the power and penagakan the law

and penagation the law we're going so you're going to so that I'm going to think that

I'mgap yeah we're more more than I'm just I'm just just if you're

if it's just if you're because 5% to from Batuara from the land and from sprued

only Consumption with My own money It's just 5% So, so not use to Banga Bangalang

5% that's I'm not not even too, not not so. So,

so I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm this, this is

being strong, I'm saying, we're saying, we're saying,

we're we're part, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're,

yeah, monos, socialist, but economy is capitalist. Right. Artiness, if people people,

the communist socialist, artiness, capitalists will be big. Yeah. Right, right?

Right. Hasil capitalis is that the publicis, if the government is capitalis,

then all they're back to give, they're going, I think Indonesia, too,

not used to malo menconto China. Yeah. Not used malu mack Russia.

Yeah, So, So, so, So, so, So, so, I'm not

I'm, I'm, my point I'm, and I'm from the people in the

that's this time I'm back back back between according Passal 3

Undans Darsar, 45, and the people, the, Pancasilla can be monaseless.

Yeah. The wiena socialis, economy is not, not by capitalizing, what, perseeingan

in a basis meritocracy that's good. And that can be done. If I was looking at the Hongk,

it's they're bullet menepat puttment authority political atas allan, di-atast

capitalism. Yeah, but they're also There is a penjambatnan and the authorities politic and capitalists. So,

the road economy be putar. Now, we can't imagine Indonesia to the formulations like that that's like authority political

it's mutelq on the and the authority politics and capitalism that will be so that road economy

be putar. This is this is in It's not as intuition just, I'm thinking. I'm thinking perpendap, Pat, Pat,

Pat Gita, patcuitan investor can be in because the commandant is political. Politic

Indonesia, politically sog, mingog. Yeah? Politic sog-mog-mog. Politic-sog-mog- is very

not, not be able by investor. It's not be-in-in-a- impestor. And that, that's the

It's the pliering. So, if they're political their political caneggeran, not political sogok-menjok.

So, that's what we're going to be-indar. Now, we have that we're taking back,

this, but it's not, this so-gok- Mewpaty, want to be a president-bri- if, if,

if the oligarchy perampok this, not-and-a- -gative-g- -g-g-d-d-d- Now, that they know.

They know, they're talking, to be able to, who's who is who are going to come to Indonesia? Yeah.

We have come come to come to come. Summariah Alamada. What's the market? He can,

he can be making people, can be a other than someone, it is that's the problem is,

the problem is the problem is, but I'm, this, Pat, we're, one, I'm, one,

the, staff, I'm in the position of the Minister of SDP. I'm doing for example. I'm going to bring up. I'm going to get to Moveda. I'm going to ask you, why you're going to make

make sure you're making? The answer to be the press perunding Indonesia. Chapeed by the perundersia. Why are you to receive me, we're going to be able to be you, you're going to be able to someone, who's who is memeras,

he? Wow. Depress in batu barra, dipasar, in the barrage, di paris, di paris, dietic, the press, dieters, all diperse. That's why.

He has to make the money fictit, tanda-cutip as far as in Australia, to be imported this. This is the story,

I mean, so, so, so, So if we're in a job, I'll take a example of the Jail. Casus DMO. Yeah, so people are people. DMO, that I've never said, namany, there DMO with disparity of the cost.

I'm not sure. Because it's not because it's not because of corruption. So, look, Menti who's whoca making atolling, that's the way that's theuctor. No,'s it's not theuble. Orramp the people who them puttabat that

is the minister who's MOTR-O is a place because of the power of disparity 100% and every time it's noticant by the people arekable tambang

what the urusation RKAB every time in the upa-up and there's study the layakhanes to bemanjouk Abis 5 years not usah

Now, he said to mending-handlinger-hark. Emang-hand-hack, emang-ya-lis-kindle-can-cundit-community that's all-lund. It's only, it's only,

man, back, if there's a, car, if you're, to see, there's a place park-and-a-court- part-crupsi. Mr.

men, people, there, many of, to, for, to, more-a-cru-

-cru-cruited, the people and the people based meritocracy than dibunding can patronage

and at all loyalty. Apakarer to be able to be because it ischalizing will be

misciliated risk politicization pengamilance I'm such a I'm much to

tell us people that under that's under miscarasy sos such

It was very, I was going to but still I'm going to I'm going to back in the time as well I'm in front of

the same 772 CVG from the team SBJK for the commissioner Derexia

DPR DPA DPA DPA I'm I'm I'm I'm

but I'm 50 but but SB.B. P.S.B. P.J.K. not that

meritocracy. I want I'm going I'm going to get a pantheon about the investment this.

This, if I mean this this is a time for Indonesia can't be able to

be 8% per time. I'm I'm in Bapae that's the baseline we are 5%

and some more times I'm saying, we have we have we're trying 3%

extra than $1. 1.5 trillion dollars that's only $45 million. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Yeah. $45 per time, $45 per time. $45 million. Now, I'm looking thesis investations of Asia-Tengara. Every time, Asia, Tengara,

and $200-3 million. From there, Singapore, $100 to $140,000 to $140,000, Indonesia, $30,000 to $50,000, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippina, and, Vietnam,

each, and each, one of the same $20 million dollars. There's no other can't be

money as than Singapore. Now, and agap-la, we can increase penerimaan investasy

from the world, from 50 million dollars, and so, $95 million dollars. Selsa.

We can't. We can't get pat-in- -a-per-send-sebut. Yeah. Yeah. And, $195 million dollars, that's

still in-bawah what is that $100 to $140,000 to $140 million. But, but, that's structural, to make an investation from outside, the other,

the first, is penagheran of the law. Yeah. What is say can? Delaksanakan. Delacanakan. And, no, and no,

perubhance. Okay. Now, the two, this is important, This also, back, I think this

this is this people are the capacity how much how much Indonesia or institutions

in Indonesia or insati to be translacy from the kind of getting

risk. Okay. People are people are being being not can make a

different and risk risk. Risico that is quantification can be

quantification, can be prinkatkan. If there Pankat, it's oxygen for modal.

But if for the notepastien, it's unknown, unknown. Okay. If you're not known, unknown. Yeah, yeah. Now, this, want, not want,

the people who are luas in Indonesia, has more much learn STEM. Science, Technology Engineering, mathematics. BAPK. BPP, BPP,

be issued by people by the people stem. Semakin more than people can be hitong, from people can be translation to be decidapestial. Yeah.

And, So, in the risk. Now, in the context Asia-Tegra, Malaysia, it's the most king, make conversi the mahasiswanae to learn STEM. 40-7-5%.

100-3-5%. 100,000, take stem. Singapore, is 36%. Indonesia, 22%. How much, Panang, BAPA. You're,

you're a product technocrat. Now, this, the next thing, how, this, that we're like copacus science and technology, manusia

that's been the technocratis. So, so. So, so, there's many people get to people who are people who,

because people, this is terrible from politics and the other. He's betel of technocraties. And that's a planananan

that's very good. And the first di-handcured on the reformation is Habibi, right?

Some of the people have Habibi had be hanscurekan. Now, ancuhl, all around, people. We don't know, people, man, ma'amination, too, we're not, we're going to, we're not, we're taking,

it's, can, is IP 3.5 to atas from pergloan-tingi, the best. Anac, young, that, Pat, Bhabi, is, betutut ditt with, not, and risk

to be the way, it's kind of people who people people people who

people who people technology, that's the people who is there is a

badgang petigant that that's current. I think we're as a

person who has been ever ever people that that there's

there pedagang petigant and and sheap I've met

people It's very long after this I'm going to I'm saying you I'm going

about you want to be business in hitam puty. He said everyone people who do business

in Indonesia will be going to be business is business

abu abe. Now the so much if we see if we're

making much campurt people to get back business that

that is the part of the artiness, pedagang ketibank, I'm from the bank from the bank, not usa, not usa, I'm sorry, I'm trying,

I'm going to get from the capital percent from from, asal we, we've had been to be-thed at the press.

He's, he's got, the press-ne-up what. So, so, the time, we're-we-

under-a-re- -re-re-re- -pimpin-da-a-er- and bintang-bintang. that melendue. After they're after

they're taking to the matter of the first we're press on the trade patians

and bintang patians and bintang they're they know so, so, so,

so, analysis, Pat, Gita, bettel sederhanan comealick can

analysis catidapastian business to meritocracy and, and, who have

can't the compempower science and technology, indifference, from the pedagang ketitance. So, not much, investor in Indonesia,

because he knows that the mainmendaliki is the other the other par par parading catatapestian. Narration not not say,

this is a person for the young young young not that we don't even before for the kinnian. Justru,

we have putar back narasiness so, we can't we're borgkan to make to the future. Yeah.

Yeah, right. And it's not can be able to happen without any investations in pedigation, di-meritocratization,

di-technocratization. Yeah. Now, I want to try bunkus in a context that more concrete

about, energy. Okay. This, if we're going to be the bank modern,

we need energy, but, Listric. Yeah. Now, I've been One of the other things

that's the electrification that, it's only 300 kilowatt hour per capita. Bapalama diWM. Baphaarer, Bapa, bansan, it's electrification. It's 10,000 kilowatt,

hour per capita. So, we need to do you doge in two-galy-lipat. Daya terbangun our, that, is, it's, it's, around 90-100,000 megawatt. So,

Bapapha'am that we can even make up 5,000 megawatt per year. Nauged from 100 to 700, we have to 1,000,000, 500, can't, 100 gigawatt or 600,000 megawatt?

With capacity banking 5,000 megawatt per time, we need to 120 time, ma'am. Now, this is thereupan, young. They have to move 120 years to make

what is modernity. Because I'm seeing this conceding that without electrification that they can not be able

to make up modernization and they can be rankul narracy AI artificial intelligence as a among people

don't even so that they're being able to do you know so I'm gonna be so I'm gonna be so I'm gonna be about, I'm gonna be

deconautics we can't because lobby political I guess you know, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm at S.D.M. We're going to make, can, you know, we can't build the Bawah Law at Sumatra, so it's the upankitia in Sumatra

just. Don't be it, batu barren that's brought to Jawa. What happened? Lobby, the minister, that's very much, it's, it's, that way. Sitelitus Shuri, ternat, it's the thing, that's about it, is to beangun in Bantan.

That's So, so So, so all the amount this

is a because of the people they're their their So,

so I'm back back Mr. Patbo Burtle buttoo butth

people people people people bitcate technocratis because if you

do you didagangkan so so, so so the P. I'm

not Muckin' D.R. PLN. But I can tell that I'm sure he's not going to do. Because of the importance. Because of the importance, too, because it's too.

He didn't be remorobos that, bag of it. Now, this is the president. Now, I'm looking, that president is to, but problemingingia, he, is there that has a kithing with business.

Artignor, he belocan to the other. I see, for example, it's now. Dibelokan for the business not the point of

what we're saying. So, so there's only in that's actually, that I'm

back back back, I'm back, part of pastian, like, that's in Indonesia, that's,

that's, that's, I'm, this, this, can, it's, it,

but, this, but, this is the problem, yeah, I'm, the problem,

What's what's, I think, Prabot to mendocratist to make it. Now, I'm okay,

that there generation muddha that's not, but I'm ma'amap bebet not too.

Bibbett also, bebett, Bobot and well, because bebett that,

yeah, I can communicate with Pat Gitawirawan, I can communicate with other, that's been bed,

jarringan. So, so we're know what, the of what we take-noticed what we're

so, but here this is, I always be in-aw- yeah-old would-un-un- un-dhawn

the President Prabhu and, and what we do-laken, and heart-n- and that

because I remember this if I'm if this, if it's gagal, gagged and it can't be

the government of the government of the fact, I'm not I think I think I'm looking like the people

Kira Kira Kri-Kira because it's bad-dendam to have the person from, not there's-sinkir, from, from the number

that's not-be-an- that-be-n-n-n-narrh Mar-a-be-be-backed to him. Now, I'm going to tell you. I've been thinking of the Kyi-Kar-Ki-Ki-Ki-Ki-Ki-Ki-Ki-Ki.

Can I'm going to be able to at the time Jokov, I, I've been two years to help Jokowi.

Now, I'm looking this. This is I hope Prabhu may be this again,

that's this, I'maamar with the government. Barucus, I'm not the way,

I'm not so-quate that old. So, Pat, Prabhu's not not used to talk.

Perlavanan their not as well who's what you know, who's what you

know, let's case of DLsittoros that's which incra 2008,

20 years only be executed over the Brabaw and and

the and they're not too. And if they're not

not in Bawo that we're saying upon huckus memoritocracy

and then penataan all this then the attack back will come

and the and I'm looking and I'm and I'm looking and I'm back back if you're when it's

the most the most can be it like this I'm talking said China Russia or whatever

because because of because of because of economy but there can have the

capusian the factian the people the fact the this long two

years, but it's not doing. So, so, the problem when the

August, he's doing the upon the law, then I'm making the people,

people, Mr. Mr. I'm going to come to Indonesia. I'm see,

this, the people, for Indonesia, to, and Asia Tengara

can get to money, far, more more than as a investor,

they're look at the market where other America can be being

it's stagnation eropas yeah Asia Pyongok also already

dishealeration Japan Korea can be even stagnasi not too

robas the partumbb Asia Tengara which demographic young

population 700 Chuta Indonesia 2825 Juta yeah it's

It's a look for money for the money and liquiditas in all the world this israeli and they're niscuitous to

make sure that but we're one, we have to tell us narrations two, we also

we're to be partong togaping about narrative our yeah, with the

energy that technocratis but also, penaggakin that I'm going back to the

other because this Like it has been narrasical. If we can if we can't a newfound per time, from 5,000 megawatt,

anguplagely to make up to pengement 600,000 megawatt, it can be done 20 years. Inshaulah, we still live. Anak,

our children, our children, we can't do, but we're makingmate, but we're making sure if we're making 30,000 megawatt per year.

And we can become a. Because AI, this, want to not want, has to be rankul. This is

this chayana. And if we can't build 30,000 megawatt per year, it's not casar,

we can make up 12,000 land of work. 5,000 megawat, it's 2

jute apanganguerg. If you, $30,000 do, six six seven

two, 12 million the land work. Now, I look the number

land in the public the end of money to but yeah, ma'amaf,

informa. 75, million, including content creator like I'm saying. Now, the task

anyone is mimpin is, is, to formalization informality informality. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, this only can be do you can be

about the people emasukement model that payan if we can formalization

to 12 million land work in five, six years before so much

so much people, we have people, and the energy energy,

energy, yeah, energy, that's the most fundamental. If if all

power, some of power, someberdai, manusia what can be the person

upon, we're we're we're focus to to make upang can't energy because without energy we can't

get to be able to change. Tamping energy we can't get to get modernity. And this is putter back narrations. Seringly I mean, I'm heard, paradigm that's, that's

is, that's too many, it's always it puter, this, this, back. Deng Shopping, from the year, since, Xi Jinping, to Tyeongkok

always be thinking we're, we're, we have to make the energy more. Tiongok It's made

4,000 gigawatt America 1,400 gigawatt Indonesia only 100 gigawatt Tijuana Tijuana now now have been

current 4,000 gigawatt like. Imagine, so 8,000 gigawatt and America only want

to make 2,600 gigawatt again. Indonesia has been more more than

this is being with the people land work that massive,

and it can make stability, such, social, economy, political and geopolitic.

So, in our people, that's the key of the question. I think that's that's the

generalisical the more. Selahue generation. But if I get to know investors, investor,

investor that's not, not more, the less, because, because,

because, impestation not not come because it's, and he talked what

what the ribbet about what the energy in Indonesia, how ribbed it. So, if you if they're

going to be impetuptus, it's not a goodatting. Not something that's a important. Now,

I think, that's, it's the need to be a person, can, not be more than three

key factors that should he can't get taken. Don't even. If you under the industry

automatically run. Yeah, not use, not use again again again, not just

longer to endang investor he'll come and he'll kind of kind of that's that's the

in the head of uh uh... uh... but we're gonna people

people this can I'm saying I'm saying kirkingkirk people people people

people people the most the most the most the most the part

that that what we can what we can do so but yeah

to move mindset I'm looking, this. This is, this, this is, this is, this, and I'm in a class menack

atas and I'm and I think if we can think that, we can't endcuring, and pedagang

capatian is, is a person bad, and people, and notal. And,

and it's there's there's about, even, that technocratis that, the decidaction,

the world, It's going to be able to be able to be, what the name, the war of the other. And, and the kids'nud, more, he can't be chay-raya. He can't have this,

he can't, this, this is a-hawks who we've built, he's-cair-cair-cair-cuh, because, what-n-n-a-n-cata-cult. I, yeah, we're more than-a-a-l-harm-a-hung-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. Oh, for me, now, this can we've got

always make upbriky fundation, Pa, that is because we're always too, too,

oncangang, there's too talk, there's there's car and in negat. Now, I want to say,

I think, why Captain Perahub Pinnisi, Cap'Ravinisi can be able throughout world,

because he didn't per menurunking the way when I that's at when I'm about the

that's the principle that's now. Now, if they can't be able

to be put up to the world not burtuant. We're we're always catutant.

Now, so I'm think I'm think of baday, right, in the middle badai,

bad deistation that, the time badai economy, badday, but people,

the, right, kind of agonar because economy agonement yeah

can't park then part and then people people oligarchi is not

to be because they're too because he's bader to because of the

abac too melewati that if there there there there there

that sobe that the the lembaga and resac because

because because when they lewap bad bad day perbuike now

don't like before we don't know we'll look we're trying to make the

bad at whatever for the because of catap buhya diselsa casus got to

KPK Firli diselsa demic because the demaiian this is kind of

humane upon repat per had penimpang that that we don't

not carbancan nasi bans demand demus demic demicic but memalumi

penimpang Now, belayer-laught mewati this, and tian-tieg light, lair,

that's rebeck, you know, we're back. We're gonna hope, baday-na what, what,

what, that's, I'm gonna because I, I always think about about the

people, they're too, they're, I'm gonna make make the next more than,

and I'm looking in a geopolitic. This is a plus. Because Indonesia, to with scale

that'sa the same area with scale that's in capital to be able to beaun between

China and we're not too not too can bepaksa or the pojokin to make

one of one because we have been $700 $700 $0. Indonesia only 285

$0. So, So they're looking we're as a land of Asia

and I'm in look at the Hongk to be in we're going to get used technology

not because more than more than more than the way we're cost as $5,000 per

people per per but we have to get to bad for the

important for the because they're not much money and they're there

$140 $140 trillion dollars that be-keololed and has been diversification. So,

so, and we're generally, and they're very genu, and they're riskiness even more big, because the process

the process of the putusance in there's more unique. So, they have also make a diversification. Now,

this we have more able to be sure, but we have to make the dexteritytas to be

being, from the from China to to be from, from, and from It's, it's a

capitalized. Now, back back, to the penidication. This, if I'm the rest of structural. We're going to

from Sabang's to M.roke, we're going to be 90% from the capital roomatangga not not have been

the education SATu. Yeah. The hope we are, for a one of a man who

can't room, get rid of a person group, and, who's-s-sucur- -up-d-d-

more This is a biganingan the people and guru the task is to put inundic three attributes. First,

ambisy. TANpa ambisies, not much be segment the Kmenterian BWM. The two, imaginations.

Without imagination, we can't be underat the in the one. The three, the peruntuntonan. The buruntunctuant

is it has dilate, if we're if we're doing the player BULU-Tangis, we have muckul two If we're 2,000 shuttlecock, if we're

two-roup every day, latian at the net, jatheaval, jade, get to be able to garis, commonation best in semifinal, the jueraned un-dunia, we're notepatkan shuttlecock to be atas net and

before garis. Okay. Not be able to beign-a-ah-ah-ah-oh. I'm going to bea-final, but I'm alas-latiate. Yeah, it's not. Now, it's just can be-suntik by guru,

but the problem-neye, that I've seen. From 3.5 jute of guru in Indonesia, majority is digggy 2.8 million. Yeah, in the Kampong Alaman Bapa,

yeah, in Plossook, in the Salas in the southern. Honor, R, B, that's only, how can't be able to make a lot of the other meja, how can't be able to

gashar? How much? Can investor just think, if you're thinking, if the person, people, the way,

elect-to-s, that's somewake- people can be-belocan upon so. Not only

quality of a person, pa. The big-sacan can be-elok- when-s- and the fact-an-

that, the people people-be- people-end- -kind- not-sul- -sul-sult- to-dict-

with this because we're who can't be dictated and I'm and I'm and the

foundation for it is there just just it just just just can't

just and you imagine Pat Rott Mbengue SDE Impress

what it has fondasin there I've got I'll give you I'm

I'm let's say PART PARTRto to PART RAN PRAP Marncangang

BORAT Pugugui the country, it's with good. Because then people are this,

the gulongan one, the gulongan four. Gagit he is do-cour that the

number can't run type 21. Golongan two, it's type 36.

Golongan three, this this is harjana this, tip 45. Golongan four,

it's type 5, the people, the pejabat tip 70. It's It's been rancang by Pa Hartto,

pa. So, so the guru SD isd a group of two, usually, three-six

room. And gajiness di-sue bydarsar- per-tacety- chit-lan gadi-a-cac- so.

So, the room can'talick-le- by-h-h-a-h-l but, but at a-cad-d-cult, that's-cuh, that's-cuh,

that's-and-a-clicmack- how-e-clication It's very much. Now, let's talk, the kids, young, can't buy a

car, not be able to be not able to this, you know, but, why, why I'm,

why you know, so, you can't you can't be able to five, in the end of Jakarta,

Rupakita. Now, I mean, I mean, thinking, people, that's been landasan,

not just can't make gai gai, not, the, the, of the, of course,

the, of the Negri, do. It's a new. It's a name.

Purnas. It's been Dyer. Now, it's a pernachang. Success. Success. So,

so, so much. So, so, people, so, people, so people,

people, so that, so much, the, the point, the point in technocratis,

there, there, M. There, P. There, P. Usulan project

that, then, that's lawless to men cost we we're lullos to be technocratism

it. Baru do mean to make the pergenumia. Howgaining it's true before,

Pat, Pat, Paranautau too, perenchant technocratis very good. We've

many who already romantic with technocrats that we sacksican and resaken before,

yeah. Tentunuchan that's not But I'm not, but but I'm going to see, but I'm in,

technocratsy is already technology that's pernachem-punah. Now, this is how we can't

make-urangy or mutar-baling extinction. Pemunah. There, not other other people

who are people who are lukut, but also curang, and kaiat not-jolmbers it,

it has been certain social. What can be So, so I'm going to do. So, so I'm going to do you know, so much, yeah, so much, yeah, and we're saying, let's say, why, see, if, if you,

if you know, people tell, perampok, still, come, d'atat, bapacca, this, Bapaccai, Bapaccai, that's making the their, and then being banga-punia like this.

So, this is, like, I, for a person, people who, who's making-nguing to where, for me, to me in-mata-and-a-n-n-n-n-. Because, it's, it's

it's it's it's so I'm so I think because if if we're not going to

get over from the government because we're going to make them about it but it's

what I'm but it but but but Mr. Can I mean this

can't you know Pervorpo's therein we're part of one of one of

one did it because before men investation this this will be

And only with people We can't even we can't good corporate governance good governance good governance that's right

Yeah, but yeah only that's because intellectuality The second can't energy The third

Pankan Rukum That's just One other Yeah Guru Yeah Yeah And I'm

And I'm And I'm And I'm And I'm Tugas our And then And so

To turn To turn Percentase Tersebute From 90% to No Ascepet

Mucan maybe. 90% is percentage of the capital room

tanga that's not good high but but the

change but the resolution is with investions with

people people people people to be there people

around to be between 20 200 so so so

multiplications yeah yeah yeah but but I have

premise but and by hypotet that If I was the lawsaneer, if you're only $2.8,000, nation building, not can't be able to be.

Now, I'm going to try. Ah, if I'm going to do with what I'm going to do. Cobra, if we're doing. Trague, $30,000, $1,000, $1,000. Not, we can't be recruit guru that's good quality. And, you know, the amount. $3.5,000, ma.

From, from, from, okay, Krook. I'm more more than I'm actually I'm actually there's a girl who there's a

person who's he wants to be different from four institutions one, one, gaweser in the kampung halamannes

in Wono, two, did tower work in Amazon, three, in Dantara, five,

the apple. Gagi at Apple, Dantara, META, and line, that's aghapal $45 to $50,000,

but he did tower $30,000 to pull down Kampung, gajar in Wonoob with Gaji $30,000. I'm sure. He will come back.

Because he can't meet a womanosob. He can't meet people, he can't put a lot of the table, and he can putas in body.

Gagear and redistribuosy barang public or public goods. Bayangin, if we can't if we can't gage 1,000

Guru just from three-and-and-juta each-masing each-mast per-bun $30 trillion $1.

Okay. So, this time. This is managed. This is. And if you can't be

result, we can tundas-and to stas-a- And it's mack-a-comer. Wow, I can't see, but

emasen, ma'amassan is actual in 20-town. There, ponackan-cae in Malaysia Gurus-D,

$35 $0. budget. Mr. Malaysia Bar, Singapore is $4,000

$1,000. Malaysia now is going to make in $3,000, $4,000. Japan, Tyeongk is $4,000.

I've been from Ragan. I'm not, $35,000, $3,000, I'm going to $30,000, for,

for God, for God, people, people who are people who are money, but if you Gage 500,

honor, or 2.8, full-time, sorry. Okay. Okay. How much? I see,

like this? Can be it? Experiment idea is. Patut, not? To be parted not. Because why? Because, because, when,

it's, if, if you're, it's, can, even goerak economy in there. Yeah, in, in the,

he, he, bekerja, and, and, and, and, past,

that are, are the people, not, this, this, only, only, people,

people, who, not, because, not, because, Pertigur, Jelex

but because you, because you're having a hobby and and it's not, not in not in

not in other than in other. Now, if they're in this, not much, but I'm

not much, I'm thinking, experiment this need to give you, can be this, can be gaii

people, makegach people, that's more more more, than, rather,

than, in the in the way, this, this, it's, it's,

the, can't, the President, maus, Suresh, Ibarang. The other is only this just,

not use, now, what, he's, it's got, he's got, this is there many,

many, that's, many, what, it's, it's, with, bicarer,

abysik, to be- to bishik hat of president. Mundah, un-undah, the result of the over-

our-and- with, besic-c-d-a-u-u- whouasa, the big of the president, so that we talk to do not

do not. Doa and in it, in the air. This is not in itiart. I'm, I'm going to

keep cutat in the penidicicant, because, I think, this structural so. If it,

if it's kind of talent, that, there's a part of, that's that's often

that's often that's called brain train. Not brain brain drain, yeah, brain train.

This is Japan, but, Japan, Japan, can We've done industrialization Pra and Pascha

the war of the second. With people of people from the menang Nobel people, not ever school in other Japan. So, they're going to quality of the quality of the deductions

is a lot of years. The scale of production is that's allar-biasa. The second, brain gain. This Australia, Singapore and America. They're moving Pintu, welcome

and gettankan talenta that's the world, from the Bhutan, like, from Indonesia,

Tyeongk, India, welcome, the case the government or permanent residence, there's

real estate. Because there's an interbukation. The third, brain circulation. This is Tionkok. Deng Shopping

when I was on 9-8, until this, nirim, in curmudate more than 9 million.

people who are people majority of badger STEM majority of back, they're now them wanttah

product products like BYD Xiaomi, Opo that we're that we're brain linkage

India they're giving more than 7 million to allure to learn STEM majority

when no back to India but it but it's so yeah Nadela Sundar Pisa but they

they're still every I'm giving WhatsApp to Tantany, to omia, to Keponakan, to Spupu, to the men

SDs in Gujarat like in Bangalore like in Calcutta. There's led linkage wisdom. Yeah, yeah. Babang look at

Indonesia how, in the context four dimensions to be able, for example, B, 50 years, Indonesia has been more than than

$250,000, India, $7,000, Tiamph, 9,000. I'm looking because, because

when it's, because And the kind of example like a chance like this so much

so you before at the BPPIT that's a lot of people are people who I'm asking

I'm saying I'm not I'm not sure because you know to Indonesia did gage

with $5 $0. per month you're in Singapore $80

$1 $1. If you there $100 $1 $1. So I

I'm so I should you want. Because I you're Inhumate in Indonesia. That's the first, that the gage,

not be high-harked, same-secally. The second, is that, what, what-n-naman-na-old-kind-kittance-cithed-cithed to, is-mem-kir-kind. Dysinkir-can,

because, because, it's not, there, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, we're disresack abys, abysan. And what's most most of the public education this,

the company this, the company need to be repas from we're not, we're never men,

make up, try just, but we're not, we're going to talk, when he's a,

professor, doctor, because he's political. Aftern't the, and there's the percayal

pedic can also, unculok an cholok. Now, So, I mean, I think,

okay, la, the bough, maybe not too. So, we're going to get to be able,

it's in the middle and the restacken the Lemba Penedica in the, now,

do it, D, S&P, E, MAL, yeah, and problem I mean, I mean, I think,

yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're going, again, the public public,

the, and then, and, don't like, daira. Because, because, SEMA,

a area that's the first the first of people, the power dallas. I think

I'm able Pusat again and didata better from the so. So,

why, Gajy them because because the money, the

DAU, DAU, DAU, Dana allocation umum. Dana location umum,

Dapak honor in atas, not to P. You can, so, you know,

So, I mean, I think, long-can in the first, now, the U.S. A.L.R.U. Amid al-I. Guru, and system

Pengajian guru are in Pusat. Don't be dishekka-khan. This is, it's a little. Okay, like, Pat Gita, said, say, okay,

L'A, 100-Tilun, then the year-tahoon. BUSATO. Be sure. Bees athap. Now, set-lough,

but he'd be-al-al-l-d-l-l-d-u. by the and benahy bettool so that I'm in this one of the

two sides and I'm abel ali system peddickan tata system panggian

now that year and it was in high high top of top of but after that

it's stacnan but not 15 million to come back in until 205

lopa 20 20 20 years last 20 20% 20% from $6%

from $6 $0 $0% So, it's going to be able to be it. That's not going to so.

So, so I think that's, and this is, this is, you know, we know, can,

the impact economy is same. Want to what, the impact economy's same. Now, if President

Prabhu, can make a government, because the person, I'm going to make the

case, if, under-in- -in-o-in-o-o-eus. He's He's tip-can this all to get-tri-tri-lion

the amount I'm in-a-pengalamation $1,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000, $2,000,000

$3,000 to $1,000,000 $1,000,000, that's right, and that, makes sense so, so, so, so,

so, so, -Pak, is, is, the, the cabinet he has there's there's

there's how much making making people of I'll give you know I'll give you know

can't the potential now is the penertiban tambang penitban sumberal that's

the sameber power penendipan 50% in fact in fact in fact in the

time half two kate half two Kui Lippet it's one ton now,

the price it's one million, you know. One million. You'd like, it's not

not going to anything. Now, after I'm sure you, the president has been the technocrats

who's who dook, eh, I, I'm going to my way the way.

Problemsia is, the problem is, the sum of the amount of the power of

poor, yeah, that's politicality. Politicians Who know what I just? Almost all politicians Pacti-Patheticians must be rank

and menenducing the penitism it, that's pasty. Now, dula, can success Pardt or whatever

and that the same, P.S.B. It's, can't puttackan people technocratic in the

kementrian that intie. How, for, to, is, Apaka Bapa, Bapa, you know, will be able to beaercian

from the world as high as we want to incant. I'm going to, if you're talking, the same, the penanguant of the law, the abac. Pesan, Bapa, for the people, a lot of the way, to give them, for them to make-and-smanget their. I only have, you know,

the young, don't, you have made some of making some moral sanctioning moral to make

the way of people who we think it's people who are people who make you do that you make open up

the way people who people being moral because only people people are people

are that actually can make man who can't move on that

ultimately that it will and I can be I'm very that, you know,

that Mr. President Prabok, if you're underlety economic, mendalicking rule, underliction,

meritocracy, bad, the time as much to make them to make the public. If you still,

I'm still still, I have because I have done people, this is the lawan

system politic too. There's under compact. I'm not, I'm not

people talk, I'm, I'm, but I can't come, but I'm

because I So, that's kind of, kind of, the other, can't care of the other, you know, if you're going to give them to give them,

give them to the people who we're not, people who are you. It's quite. It's not, jellas, work, koregoy, kampang,

who, look, in kampu, the other, yeah, we know. Now, the other, yeah, that's, ma's,

I, mas, I'm, just, ma, ma, just, the system, politic, system politic,

this is, What? What what we can do? What can't be able to make up buddha

to make a buddha to to the accountability to be a thaning to elite? Now I think

but this again this I'm like this is we're about we're our name met source. We're

we're stillmating that. There's other, the, um, the, um,

um, or the spotting, my, is the suburbate, and I'm going to know how much. So, so I have

hope to bea about the medsos, memos, and boughke, the slahackings public. We don't know,

I'm from because, Kaltim, because, because the wife, like a rata, that munchin-gur-

now, dundoo-a-a-a-a-a- med-sos. So, because, they're not-hook-n-n- to the from the

people from there are there people people who are to make sure to make sure to make sure

I'm now I'm think more effective Pat so far so it's so that

it's there's and it's abacac abac abac abac people people who

people effective fact effective fact so far if we if we're

if we're if we're there two chalon there two chalons who So, so much, so that's,

the wali-kota or what, the one, IQ's 140. Okay. Ahali physical moreny. But, maybe not jago-gomom.

Yeah, yeah. The one other, jago-mong. Jago-mong. I-Gu-n-a-kuh-i-kuh-9. But in Tjongok, bulit, ma'u-ed, but,

which is the first. Okay. So, what do you need to be able thinker. Now, how we're out from to be a macabuck.

Many democracy in the world mabok. With process milling, only be based festivalization or even sensationalization,

not intellectualization. This, this, this, this is a cultural re-engineering. How we can't change our our culture our

to, to beulksy in banding electsie that bitty. I, I'm looking it's a

lot of, to launch can't draw down in the middle of the middle of the people of so I'm

so I'm think that the first is that that there there are there room

contact between people and the so that DPD the

department that not campaign Pampan Pannann just just

on TV and maybe that that is that

the sohing the room Mugugugugn't not there not

there Artiness, the person is, maybe goal put, the end up, if he's going to be able to people who are

people who are because he can't know who's who the same, that's the thing too, but it's doing,

that system people do not, we've got, we're not contact with us because we got contact. Now,

we're putty, the, there's, there's not contact. So, maybe, the same,

the area, there's a place, where it's a place massam poster and there's not there's there's there's

there's it's a but that but that but that but that in the middle that we're

that we're saying that we're saying that it's that make facta politics who's

not per centaurant because it's facta that's right that I'm not the fact that I'm not the factus

then wehack then we're saying I'd do It's really fact that's being engagged, it's purucing the number bad. That's, I'm not.

Now, I'm sorry. I'm, now, I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm, we're sure. Two, two hundred hundred hundredthous in the, the problem economy and the problem

meritocracy and other than the last. Makautarch. That's what you is in the thinking I. And I've been saying, if I'm

saying, if we're not necessarily from politics, then we're not we endowed, And, if you're not majeet, if you're not able to be able to get much more.

There's a person. There, sir, sir. Yeah, Parabawah, yeah, Parabwe, still, with agenda, utamia, because I'm thinking

agenda that okay, pillar of bapak, memberantas corrupsi, menarchic by the narcaal, and, and, and, and,

and, that's that's okay that's yeah, yeah, just like,

jolid that's people who can't englandland commanding kawksks yep

contol captain capal pinissi not not mener on the

on the we're doing we're way we're way thank you thank you thank you thank you

thank you time that's Pati Dido Analise Kebjcan Public Thank you.