Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Saraswati Djojohadikusumo: Setiap Kita Punya Peran

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini: https://books.endgame.idSudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini: what-it-takes------------------Rahayu Saraswati Djojohadikusumo membahas latar belakang keluarga, lika-liku perjalanan pendidikan, hingga aktivisme kepemimpinan perempuan, demokrasi, dan industri kreatif. Topik selengkapnya:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:23 - Jatuh cinta dengan seni peran sejak kecil0:14:41 - Kesehatan mental0:32:14 - Dua sisi latar belakang keluarga0:40:10 - Demokrasi dan Pendidikan1:06:57 - Kepemimpinan perempuan1:18:23 - 4 cara kelola talenta terbaik1:26:46 - Kemampuan bercerita, soft power, IP1:37:42 - Spiritualitas dalam menjaga kesehatan mental1:48:46 - Menemukan purpose tidaklah instan1:55:45 - Meritokrasi2:09:32 - AI#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #SaraswatiDjojohadikusumo------------------Special thanks to our ‘Future Narrators’ channel members:Mariko Yoshihara, Yemotto IBRAHIM, hobi kluyuran, Fajar Prasetyo, Dyah Firgiani, Arie Gunardi, Yayi Trisnawati D, Teddy Chow, Wwertyssnb, Widi Aphrian, hndraable, hendro trihatmojo, Muhammad Taufik Evendi, QunÔºáan Syukrilah, Ariyo Arinsa Putra, Reda Bellarbi, Muhammad Ismail Mubarak, KATE WOLSKA, Itje Chodidjah, Geralt Fajar Bukan, Jack Duan, Lucy March, Mr Gman, Irawan Purwono, Agnes Pranindita, nazaruddin nasir, 747sgw, Patricia S, Gusko Adnyana, Jerry Budiman, Mawan Darmawan, diah anggraini, Adrian Baskoro, Bambang Haryanto, Ezwan Zakaria, Naufal M, Kianti Darusman, Revolution R, liza dewi, Joanna felicia, Taswin Munier, M Firaldi Akbar Zulkarnain, Seno wibowo, Hendry Ahen, Ferdy Reza, Haju Ara Podcast, Ayu Arman, Flores Exotic Tours, Niki S, Anita Amalia, Dewi Risnawati, birgietta katherine, Derry Harnanda, Ridwan Sakidja, Rita Sahara, Sanityas Prawatyani, erna girirachman, Ronny Wijaya, Alvin Rivaldi, Stella sinaga, Kawal Jakarta, Freddy Wijaya, Bambang Made, fsoenardi, ULFA, Daniel Tagu Dedo, Yoggi Dinata, Omabudi Herawan, Dina Siswa, rita triani, Beatrice Cynthia Walter, Dendy Hernama, sentraikanlaut sentraikanlaut, Nur Aini, Sri Rahayu Fitriani, Ainia Putri Ayu Kusuma, faiza kamalia, agung Murdifi, Liely Noor Qadarwati, agita sari, Boodguns, Anang Rikza Masyhadi OFFICIAL, Didik Muktiyanto, muksin muksin, Rudi Gmail Nuriadi, Vindow Harum, irawan karseno, gaby diovani, abson Ly26, jaka susila, Reinhard Santoso, tjia martin, Roni Pebrianto, Roberto Sontani, achmad subarkah, Omo Abdul Madjid, Uswatun Khasanah, alex ondang, Arya Family, muzakir tombolotutu, Timmy Kids, only1su, Wee Khien Tan, Dawani Magdalena, Ricko Ciady, theresia margriet, Tri Laylaa Shaiza, Retno Sri, Buyung Aji Saputro, Fredrik Ong, Gricelle Sachi Sihombing, Erwin Loe, Dhanie Soeharto

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Hello, time today we get done Sarah Jaya Dikusumo a a man

and also a person Sarah, thank thank you thank you Thank you.

It's such an honor. This is a lot of this is a lot of overdue. Telling, de. Pengalamaan from from your from here

when in Jakarta and then this is this can be quick, but but how much

so, singat singat-singat singat-sinkat maybe for for the Jakarta. So,

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so, the world not, dark- talk-tarki, end-Tarkey, pendian, uh,

and then, it's 9-8, and then, it's 99-8. So, really, it's, it's been-in-an-n-n-er-n-n-n-er-n-n-n- even before it was

it's just but it's just timeing-neeming-neemang we're like to re-encan to out of exal partly and

and, and at U.W.C. in Singapore. School great man, thank you and

eight-bun-bun-a-bulan actually but very mind-opening Tarki is school great-mank. Yes. Dulu, did banjure? Yes.

KKKKKSah, and the female, too, core memories. Poconionnion, it's core memories, why? Because, if we're, the same, we're just to bejewang to come to come to come to-do, or, yeah, all, leave-raja.

So it's the same as, like, snow days. If, in America, this is banjir days, like, W. YWC, but just in 8-bun, it's very,

because I fell in love with acting and theater. at UWC. But because I was it tookas as a dutte

for Europe, and Timur in Geneva, finally, the family made us to make put us

to Geneva, Swiss. And I was there for five years until lulus SMA. So I went to

college Dulemo in Geneva and then then, they're to make put up

to school in America. To be going to get a kind of because because,

because I've got to know since 14 years, that I'm going to

be professional actress. Sorry, that inspiration from where in UWC?

So UWC I saw. There, or it's, there's play or there

they held a lot of plays, that, So, this, paddock, high school, but many clubs, theater, and so forth. And, I'm still inatt to watch one play. I think it was, uh, adieu. Hamlet?

No. Not that heavy, sir. Uh, earnest. It was a play, and I, and I was like, I was, I was, I was, I was fantastic. But then, I tried Auditzy. Audition DAPT DAPT

DAPT's One And this was my first time First time First time First time First time First time

To call to school that full Pauce But how can't And then play it was

Hiawatha Hiawatha for who you full in Poisy Bentucing

Bentuckna Similar to Shakespeare So this first time talking about English every

day, auditsy, the language, but this is full poetry. So, not the acting Biasa.

And I was just entranced by it, because because it, because we make that world ourselves, that world ourselves,

that's, that's a time to Geneva, that's past like part-like mid-term

break. So, I was I'm going to go two mingue then play will be from class

eight-graders are going to put on this show now there no other no longer for the two mingue

again everything's already set I'm asked I'm going to be like a shepherdess number five or something

okay but I still enjoyed it and we all and we have to paint the set ourselves

we have to paint the set And I still enjoyed it. And I said, if you're in the world where it's as a matter, or even, or even knows, no-even knows,

no no no name, and I still enjoyed it. I think I can do this. I think I can do this for my life. I think I can do this for my life. To be playing guitar or who's or the game or the piano, that's the way, that's the way.

So, that in the world. Why, it's that it's a more than a purporting? Because it's virtualization or actualization. Wow. From, I don't know why.

This is one of those questions on, nurture versus nature. But from, actually, we've always been asked, we're always, we're saying, what's going to be what

when, and I took that question seriously. So, so, that's, I'm from from to do this, what to do you,

if to go to go, Sometimes, sometimes I remember, it was like one of those core memories that random. Because we're taking in the area Kempang, can decad hero. Wachted to go to my dad. With Papa, on to go toko book that. And there's a book about innovators. And I was like, am I going to be an innovator one day? Usia, eight-tawn.

So, it's from before men, even from the child, even from a child, even from a child, always always to find jatity, I'm supposed to do. Tujuan life I'm up. Pada a time when I'm in,

if I mean, if you're talking about, the family's my, bagian manasenian. So, people are, I'm not getting,

from where, yeah? But I would say, the, this, if there's, there's, there, name,

it's, it's, it's, I, I breathe, art. It's, it's more than you. Maybe it's skip, maybe generation.

Not, Mugentemoyang, there's not, there's not, there's, if there's, actually, it's actually, there's

there, yeah, from my mom's family, actually, actually, still, but not the same, that's not,

my cousin, must be did, can, he's also, fashion designer, so we are the outlier in the family. But I remember

when I, when, that, acting, in Hayawatha and then it got to the point in where

club drama in College Dulema we're just in a very small cafe underground still still in a cafe style

only moat 25 to 30 people but every year we're taking something and I'm acting in any role. I have five daughters, which is an adaptation of pride and prejudice. So, Lydia, you know, the antagonist. And I was like, I enjoyed it and I found fulfillment.

I would say maybe actualization. Because there's one of that I love, which, actually, ...mases with what I'm doing now. ...slain from actress, it's about the wonder... ...of... ...baghemannadigern...

...and something that we just envision. ...that we just envision. ...that only... ...that... ...that... ...that we can make it into a reality... ...and we can make it into a reality... ...and... And from storytelling, and from storytelling it, there's always a message in the stories that are being told.

And there's power in it. And, for it. And when I was in university, so I went to University of Virginia, by the way. And the reason why I was going to laugh, Inda to London. The reason why I was going to laugh, because mama, who, who know that,

this is annax and want to to do not into acting, yeah, can't entertainment. Cawatern't, I can't blame her, I can't,

from generation, this is, this is a lot of what's going to be what. And honestly, because, I was watching your end game

with Katit Basri, and he said he was going to go to Ikej. And, and, same, it's, he asked, this, what's like,

oh my gosh, it resounded, sarendipitis. So, actually, because I don't want makecewaken

people, one of my values is to make hormati people. And no matter how difficult it might be.

A lot of people, and especially my friends, might think that I'm the rebellious daughter. But no, I try, I really try. Wholopon

pangillan the life is to come to the entertainment, like, but I really did try.

So, I'm going to be a university, campus that's the most far from New York and LA. Because I knew if I went to UCLA, if I went to USC, adity every week. If I went to New York, I would do the same thing. Goaityana much. Godaity to move to the world that, pasty, many.

So I chose University of Virginia in Charlottesville, Virginia. In the middle of nowhere. It's a great campus. But it's a beautiful, you know why I chose it? Not because all Dibuatel by Jefferson and oh,

this, he's, it up, Lulusan from there. I just saw it was a beautiful campus. It is one of the most beautiful campus. It's about this percent. Landscaping you get. I do. So, no matter what people say about Jefferson,

he was actually a fantastic architect and landscaper. And he, because he designed the whole thing, right? So, when I went there, I joined two theater groups, Shakespeare on the lawn and first year players. Now, as a first year,

it's been auditsy and can acting on stage. But if it's done second year, third year, we're in backang layer. And again, it was a confirmation that even I'm going to be stage manager or so it's who to make amassified

audio it was a confirmation that I loved that world major acting

so majoring actually ambril classical civilizations I was going to be Sarah Croft

not Sarah Croft Sarah Croft I mean beneran by my professor to

even even to a dig an archaeological dig in Turkey that was how much

I was in it if people I'm not asking, what's going to take it? Yeah, I'mon I mean, I'm sorry, no, subbiakness the subject that majeet in there. So, I have used to

noni or Romawi, so I took actually Greek. Wow. And I took Greek and Latin, and my paper was on Alexander Grade. Okay. So that was my world, and I took it, but because, and then,

I was going to get to theater and there faculty theater drama there. I was going to

do a double major. But I was only there for two and a half years. My mental health was

not very good at that time. I was already suffering from anxiety disorder and major depressive disorder from

from the age of 15 years. Sorry. But I only got diagnosed randomly.

When they were going to go out to the community center and every campus usually community center there are

massisua from faculty psychology that's doing random testing as part of their work. Then they

said, do you have time to do this? I said, like, in the part of the postakan

that time, I was like, why not? I've got time. easy and at the end of it um still I'm still

again you have six out of 10 symptoms for anxiety disorder and um 10 out of 15 symptoms for major depressive

I was like oh so that's what it is so there's what it is so there's not same because the mental health

and disorder and before not per not per and before never never we just thought it was normal

healing healing the how much right after that right after that it like

recommendasically to contact to mental health or student services did recommendasically to psycholoh

so yeah psycholok that I got that not the best but at least

there's a saddaren. So, so, not just psycholo. Many people also not just not quite

not be able not just not even because to be psychotry. So I had to go to both. Because when

it was, isilhan, there's a stizzards, it's been the people thinkeranial. Okay.

So, um, if you're from a privileged background, you get to go to a university of Virginia.

What has, What makes your life so hard to have been the problem to have been the people. But for us who are you who are about mental health and there's no there's no rhyme or reason.

There's no penjolation that's logis. Just happen to be, your, the other our own, our way we're being did make it so demikian. So, benarernery,

if it's actually my perfectionist nature. I see. So I used to wake up, if I'd wake up, if I'd just can't get your world's ending. Because I was like, that 15 minutes, 15 minutes, 15 minutes,

that was I was to be able to learn again, to knowise essay for another 15 minutes. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, so, if, my son,

like, I'm saying, like, Every day, it's can't be able to do with if there's

not there and there not a other and there's, there's a thing, like,

to trigger, there just. But, not can't be able to do you know. If you're about

healing process, not a thing overnight. As I said, the psychologist was not be too much but at least

there's and there's and there's to be to give this is what I was going through.

Yeah. I got into an accident and then that was the reason why my parents said okay if

if they're close to the time. And at that time when they were living in London yeah can essentially

the child people didn't go into an accident and I talked about this in Rosiwant because it was a sexual accident.

And so my parents were obviously traumatized. And I decided, yeah, from there, d'apadipad, let me try doing what I love. Because when that was one of the one Engangue is that I want to go to

the world entertainment. I'm going to be actress, sootra, sootot, but, co,

so it's hard yeah, the world, co, kind of kind of because, you know,

mosto, must be malaguer perintah people, most so has disrespecting them,

most should be larikin Diri, I didn't want to do that, but it was a major, major struggle

mentally for me. I said to, Mintaijin to the people to acting school. So I went to international school for screen acting.

Because, while even I'm really with theater, but, the people think logis'n't think,

yeah, but, I'm going to make money, if I can make money, that I can survive. If I'm

just, yeah, I've got to belajured, because actors, we're, we're talking

in theater and acting in the front of the camera, it's very very bit

illumumum so I want to acting school and then lulus from there obviously got agent

but then life gave another twist, back to go back to India to doftar visa

sopani so by there there there there's there okay

I did okay I got best actress one time which nobody knows about It was a trilogy, three films.

Three film. Three film I did okay. It was life-changing. Life-changing, in a way, which, that'd probably, that'd rather than stay in Indonesia. And then 2012, founded Parinama Astha,

because I got called into the fight against human trafficking, anti-perdagangan of people. So all of that is to answer that the healing process wasn't exactly through the medication that I took. So,

I've got. ...isbonerment life that was more than just about myself. Okay. Pause. Lessons learned that can be taught to

people in the world who are again that's anxiety. Oh, yeah. What is that is is there. There's, there, there, there,

that's been there can be a bit of that, that's that that's that's that's

not it's not right but but the actually to

not make reme yeah please never underestimate it

mm maybe we're we're to make not not

not not to not to Yeah, right? Because ownership taking, to mulberry

from any issues, particularly for, any issues, because, because, can, maybe, stigma, and if, in,

uh, lingungan iman, uh, sometimes in the linguangah to, yeah, it's a spiritual problem.

But we're not we've got that we've given us facility, actually, the sarana and prasarana

for we can be about mental health treatment same as like we're to gym

or or allharaga for physical when we're in a very high pressure situation apaka

that's in at the at the work, or we're in the world

politic apapap it. But we need, we need, we need to there outlet

to beicara with people that can give it to a straight or give it to make us

question that can make us self-reflect more more than some of my friends

that are in some of the biggest fellow like Kloffman fellows one of my

best friends Gita Shahrir She's one of the smartest women I know. But she goes to therapy. And he said, when I started setting up Saraswati Fellowship, it's a leadership academy for women. He said that the curriculum that I set up,

he said, Go look it up, Kaufman fellows. But they are like some of the brightest minds are there, and they still talk about mental health. They talk about soft skills. They're talking about soft skills. They're making upskill our people to become a teaming that big.

So, how we want to be a teamimping how we're going to be CEO manager HR or just

any kind of leadership position that if we can't be more

we're so so so you know make agree

be damay and please seek help seek help doesn't mean that

you are helpless seek help to find help from people who are

equipped to help. Bede with we're with people people we're in

people sometimes there's just yes man who's that's fair weather

friends. But there also that maybe great if we get with people that's

going to people who want to we're different at the when we can't

people that people that's even after S2 three about bidang it.

And who knows? Now, there's been psycholog. It doesn't have to be psycholo. It's a life coach. You know, some of, I mean,

Tony Robbins, who I met just a few weeks ago, he's like, he's one of the best coaches, that, and everyone, more Serena Williams, to,

anybody in the world that we know name-naman-naman. Many that's to he's not just coaching about investment

101. He's talking about your mental health, your outlook on life. So, if we're going through anxiety, depression, kettululah,

first and foremost, you are not alone. Right. There are many people, people, who probably

will be able to that they but to the part of the partuan to the part of the

problem. What are you need to be puttimbled more than for them can't show

sympathy or patronase. Did you feel overly patronized or overly sympathized

or inadequately sympathized? I don't know yeah I don't know, yeah, I mean,

in the generation at least my generation it's like in precipice we're at the same we're in the same we're doing digital medsauce

I was one of the first to use Facebook by the way because University of Virginia is one of one of one first of where Facebook

that was launchur can 2005 yeah or 2000 yeah just Just around, no, it was before that. Yeah, 2004. 2004.

We're, we're really, really that's out, only for the top 100 universities. We're in a generation that not only look at Indonesia, not only look at the surrounding us, but it's sadar, and mental health

is, it, will beiccarcant, more than, that's, I feel. So, if you're If you're If you're too much Spatty,

there's not two-duty. It wasn't yet even. Back-caught who's not there's better

than now. That's all right about mental health for the for the

for the if I'm if I'm to when I'm to be under on the

there's there's there's there kind of mental health. So no,

I wouldn't say there was too much sympathy. Tremend, I would say, the badaiian, it's self-diagnose. I'm juster, if there's people who are underdata

from mental health, and then, people around the people around the same. That just true, what you mean? Counterproductive,

right. So, the other, the person is, it's a very, and this. Because, Pepeakance

is high like, people are people but people but people that's kind of kind of

people are people who would say again it's not it's, it's,

each manus just, each manusia just better. Apalagi if there isu issue this

and what I mean by that also better. It's that's different, who's

being the people with the depression, with the anxiety, the way

we're responding will be better so it might be that if if we

patronas or or sympathize or I empathize and oh not what it's

it's if it if too too the discaisianin can

opposite even even there recently there one one

one one I recognized this this this is it's a bad

and betul just it's something happened he began

she called on time two and two and but

every we're not just it's immediately I contacted

it um umptune um um week before get

with the people to go to go to get to talk about to be there's like

Bu, I was like, Bu, I mean to help. I'm not can't help

this time. At that time I had to go abroad and I was one of the triggers. I recognized I walked into

one of the triggers. So I went to for the people, and sometimes that's the best with

to take to the home I think she might need it. Partolonging that's a good. And

debaugh to get him with psycholoh. Abis it to, there, try negotiations. Samppe, the isilathe like, um, tolong, don't,

Ms. Sara, can't meet, because if, not, she don't want to make, because, if they're not, I was like, I'm on I'm on I'm sorry.

Bucan't I mean, I'm not going to be it's not I'm aware of mental health issues I'm aware of mental health issues, I'm just to be able to give lampu-hijer by psychologna. Because I'm honi-jin-bu, it's not quite, if I'm going to belajure

that he can't do nother that he can negotiate. But it's not due to Oh, I'm not even because kind of we don't have that awareness,

maybe long as oh yeah, yeah, casian. But we're not sader that justru with we're we're casian, we're justru

become an enabler. We're not to help him to be better. Because it's not not true but

but but beener will always bad. To do the right thing is never is not never.

It's not always easy. Beto. This is this activism You're Now, now more decurracking to the penitings like this

but also there's other Talk about that Maybe because Many people who Many who know only Hashim Joy Hadikusumo But not

not many who about Annie Hashim Jaya Dikusmo My mother Yep I'm I'm I mean, one from

16 bersodara, from a mann'try. Wow. It's from one mother, by the way. But from two husbands,

because the one one, she got remarried, and my mom from my mom from my mom, from my mom, from, and my mom,

and my mom, still, I'm still, I'm still, She was really, if she was when it's when when we're sometimes we have

to give to one of a year to be in a room berenam. So, she couldn't go

to university because she was she was she can morbancan for he could be

currant to be adegn't be able that, like that like that like that

life, that she was what you would call Cinderella. She was what you would call Cinderella. Yeah. I was,

I'm going to Pramugari in Garuda Indonesia and work in Saripan Pacific where she met

my dad. But my point is, I'm big back with two two dunia that's

two different. One, from the can be people, the way, from Opa,

that is the talk economy Indonesia, E. Yute, Margono, when

it was to I quit to perunding Meja Bundar Demi with my grandfather with my grandfather with Mr.

Sumitra Jaya Adikusomo Memperjouang Kermerdakhan Republic Indonesia in Meja Bundar Diplomasi Dunia Yeah

There. There, but there's sisi other Yeah. Which, which is where my buu-shaer-shaer-its, where they're

being sure out-bishop to be med-a-d-ad-a-d. And it's from my great-grandmother and then my grandmother, and then from from my-grandmother, because he's married

with a-or-doctor, they're-in-hid-a-d-d-d-n. From the eldest, that's-in-a-d-old. Four-belest line. 14, the other. Sampyre until,

the other that's a day that's there who's there who there there who there's

many businessmen and strews. Bidda latar-belakang. But, Ibu-sa- because latar-belakang

that, passion, he from dula, is about empowering people. Because he She's

I'm like it'silating Jalan Jal Baccar if you're not dihapal

before the hapuss that not there no-a- not-a-na- -a-poh-a- iPad,

hello, that's always she'd always tell you. And from I'm still bay, he brought

to campo he brought to the desa and just-stru-d- -d-you-st-st-er- I think that's not ever Lupa where you come from Don't ever

Lupa from from your family that's where you have privileged Sarah And lucnia that's

that's my grandfather from Opa Sumitro It's more than my mom actually My dad bless his soul

He's a father who just wants his kids to be happy What's the most So, if you're looking When you're going to look at And then-down Because, it was really

It's really hard When it's hard In time, that was my core memory Papa, I'm doing, One time, My dad, the point is,

yeah, the thing, yeah, the thing, happy, but my mom. Want to be saying, Tiger Mom, Dragon Mom.

And again, podcast that I've been on the morning, I mean, I mean, Radee, this too many similarities, because he'll should do-de-mackan

jam-tudu, I was in Geneva. Hello, where, usually, we're like, study in-li-in-law, with pergaulan that's like that,

everybody, jam-tude, hang out. Not, don't. A-Rahui-Sar-Swati has already at the meja-makan every night. And, and

there, that's where I learned democracy for the first time. Because, every time, when I live-bureen to where, we're doing, we're going to be it, and going to come on. And, the next one.

And, to beabes-and-on-a-bebasked to mowmong whatever. But again, did it can my mom, he, your grandfather who's garrin'augh-oblee-obleche. Want I'd justin, There's only uncle Ben in Spider-Man

with great power comes great responsibility. There's your mom here. There's a lot. And before that, my grandfather, who's making up. Responsibility of the privilege. And my mom always always even when we're in Geneva,

many who also who also lost, we were almost piloted, because my dad has to payer back to the bank, because it was a bank which is why now they're

never more about, not want to not want to not want to be bank again. Many who's want to buy bank this,

no. No way. It's just enough. It's just up the time of life. And, what

that's the people, I'm there's many that's not that we know, if we my mom, to make,

My dad has PINjem Canaan Kiri So, we can't So, so we can be,

many who think Oh, from, from, many people, yeah, not have money,

silver spoon, many people, not have money, my dad, but my, my dad,

my, my, my, my, my, has lived in exile for years. Malaysia,

Switzerland, London. And the situation to eat is it. It's just bingue how much

my grandfather when he did he blarer in the other country who's not like to give in money

like to work. Professor Sumitra Jolla Jaya Kusumo bekerja in hotel as a bellboy as a

man. Mackan so until we're all we're just getting if we're getting

because we have been money because he will make to my father, my father, my father to be ajaran to me.

They're going to work in the service industry. Because he ever had been as a donor. I'm going to be generous. Because I was a waiter.

I've got to be waiter. So, so. So, so. So, with that my mom always, you know, I'm always that's never love

you're on Indonesia. Don't ever Lupa, you are the child's your and you

have a privilege. Because he from the other spectrum. And he isulah always who

had what you had Sarah. So, do what you can. Wow. This,

this, this, this is to use that you want to be the meja

macas. You know, you look at democracy that's how much Oh my gosh Sir

In context In the Gara Apopun? No, I'm still learning Until now I'm still learning until now I'm still learning

Because this because this judeur Kadang Bikin bingung If we look to America

To Singapore To UK To Australia Semmually Systeming Bedugrae Systeming yeah Bididate

Hasil can be bad Hasil can be better. So, if we can look at

Indonesia just politics, just democracy, system democracy. This is that kind of, I got into trouble, right?

I'll go into this. No, no, p'apal. Whatever. I got into trouble last year. Because I'm about we still

live in colonialism. What I meant by that, actually, is mindset. Yeah. Mindset, where the community

when we're tampaourate, they're not all, but to beaithing people have expectations about. Do it.

Bicara with anyone who ever made as a galon legislative or calon the general that's made

I'm sorry if I'm gawbril with anyone I'm saying not backal

can't be able to not not to because I'm because I know

I'm many people think that oh, I'm doing always I'm not because

I'm because I didn't be able but because five thousand

I'm two two nine and I'm and I amel to

formate the curmak the constitution that which which

was not being in the banding the case of the case that I'm laundering that

did not because the matter I'm not I'm I'm not

be able to the Pilkada Tangang Southan in 2020 through through

all over process and and And, I'm looking many kawain, I'm trying with with me purgeant

with me, undang, the endang, pidana kekrasan sexual when that when it was that,

who, who, who, who, people, about the people, people,

the, issues, the issue, lintas, commis, not, there's, and,

and, people, people, with intellectual that, with, with, the,

They're not They're not. They made me question. It made me question. It made me question. Tentang about system democracy

that we're doing this I've learned to try to look. I'm bedalh with packer I will never ever claim myself

as an expert in this. But this. This isilhan Isilat, it's made question

and the system democracy that's like what, that's on the same

which which is where, with direct election and one man one vote,

everyone more from from from, more from the sucus race

agam app has, which is noble. That's that's that's

important, that that's But, but with with mediation catimpang of social and ketimangan pendidicant that

there's a lot, what's what we can expectacca, that we can from the thing that's if we're using

system that because people because of the people, you know, the way, the caran is like this.

Padal, we have to makeirkan, it's puttut. Many people, I'm on I'd say, I'm not talking to the game.

Biasan on endgame, I'm sure. But if I'm going to be able to dole, reality-in. At the time, I'm going to say, BAPA, BAPA, what is the difference

DPRI with DPRD? Do not the bedgaining between executive and legislative? 99%? Not-tough. Not-tough.

Wow. This, this is going to, I think I know what you're getting at. Democracy, if I'm, in fact, not just in context distribution of the world, but it has in context distribution public goods, which I've got to be a lot, I'm going to make, intellect, pedigism,

and health chastraan nilay moral and the value moral, the way

I'm going to take more than more than to the end up what you know what you

know if you the code post this the thing it's

they can make people they can they're being they're to be

for if they're for if they're if you code post the life

the IQing It's not even though in the above. Yeah. Yeah, maybe quality rationalization or nullars.

Right. That's not just to be gongong the people that can redistribution public goods, yeah,

right? Now, so it's like in the Hongk la. Although, the ideology

better, system the system the government better, but democracy, but they

not in the redistribution public goods yeah can pedigulina kent

more school in Chongqing or in Shanghai in Wuhan or in Shenzhen bed bit bit

tipis but if you if Shambang thaning school in Jakarta

quality quality yeah Meroke yeah than in Jakarta school

better quality I remember Dr. Tita was talking about this on your

podcast and And, yeah, how much, I'm, I'm going to say, 88% from the Kepalahua'a not prededdinger S.A.1. From, S.A.R.K., this, not be able to

one-man-one vote because process nullarsing. Wow. Belom like what we want to to make uphackan, maybe, the last,

if in Tionk, it's two chalun. To be wali-cota, like, which is 140 in physical in physical

more than which is aque in process selection, in election. This is actually something that I really, really want to have a proper, straightforward, no holds barred, no, I need to chatem-house,

like discussion, with the intellects, the people, especially, activists, activists, from lintas group. And I really just want to ask, solution

what? If we're all only talk problem not can seless this barang.

If we can't say, hey, that's it should you have been about $280 $280,

want to talk who want to give, who may make, not partai. Bidda

with if if the system not puttup and partai that's when they

got curses, They're going to Who's not going to Divided Bede And to call in parties

silhackan Butt Butt Buttap But if she'llamomom He's like He's not

Kierjk Yeah Right Yeah Right And this Not Kempit Yeah

This is Kappa Oh, I'm mongonging not But, but But,

but he Andapot Posis it in a democratic melanchthonous through system democracy that's in

if I will tariff little to take a little I will, the term, the term, my field. All know.

Indonesia, why don't be able to get to get 30% but that's, quotas,

not the quotas, quotas, calic. Yep. It's, it'salian with system

democracy this time this. Can not can't don't people the people

the tahn food and look look at the result dapil B milhing people

or he may be maybe we have to make people we're not don't we

want to let's say we're men people people to them to

them to make 80 percent lucky lucky lucky or

yeah again like, is it. We're going to make sure all of

people who people who people who are not perna turn to depil, not per hard hard

in rap. I'm ask the solution what? Solusiness if you said, is,

is you said, is, the system like that's, like, some, the

selection in process elects. He, yeah, he has melewate

batas minimum for moralitas, ethicality, intellectuality, then electability, yeah,

can't? Comebadi again. So, if you said IQ, IQ, Iqu

Rataata Indonesia, yeah. But if if I'm my way, I'm going to talk to

guru so, so yeah, right. Yeah, because you, you know,

you're talking about intellectual property. This, this, brush-throok just, data as backdrop,

the yearnob, in 2004, Tijuana, Mendocts 1.8 million patent. Asia Tengara, in 20 years,

11th of the country, now, this, until the year cumulative, 300,000 Pendae,

that, that, if, I think, is, how, I'm the,

process the, and, of the Pemonguant Cognition, in Tjongok, in Banding Asia Tengarra. Now, if we're about 88% of the Kepaluroma Tunga in Indonesia,

that's not put in Ponditania FITU, NIST. Investation that's most the money is in Guru, because when it's a lot, yes. Jalan Kaki to school,

he's got to go-Gur-N-D-N-Dil-N-Pol. If, people-N-Penid-Dilican, shook-sucur-sucur-purned-Dilican. And, guru, it's It's been in the 20-200 murid.

And, the other people are in front of three. Rata-rata. Scalability is more be part-gown job-in-jawking,

not in parenting. If we're when we scale-up brilliance, investation in guru. Yeah, right?

Yeah. But if, if if, if, if, if, the $2.8, $1. Yeah,

yeah, who, I'm ma'am talenta that's quality maybe more

more than it's a not want to be a good, but I'm going to bring up two different issues

um keniattaan that's in some and if if you want to hate me on this

but this but this this is really real that I do not Pilsa the first

when I'm Ranganerkunuk Ruanogiri I I'm I'm back I'm Guru Honorer.

Because, because reality guru guru who was actually had SK as as a guru resumi from the country, they're coming

just a time, the rest of the same-in-a-ann-a-tere. That's one. Which is why I was one of one one who's very

that's more, the way, the people to make the gai- guru-on-or-er. That's the

The first. The second, I've learned. So, so if we're talking about we can't not just

not just about guru that good. Oh, guru in context of whatever, more honor,

or what? The most the point, the end up. The point that's not, that argument.

I would present a different argument too. Yaitit upskilling from the guru

it's because I I wish I brought the data with me, but I've ever got data from one, from one of one of the people staffsus, which has been given to be able to Indonesia, if you're given

uh, you know, that's about by the students not yet but not it's not sure be lulus so

I'mk so that idea my friend Dirga Yuzha he makes SMA ungulan because

what he hadirken in SMA that is guru not the lusan faculty

pendidikin but but the mathematikana I'm, S-1, S-2, even if if you

can, S-3 is math, mathematical. Guru biologian, S-1-S-2-S-3 is, biologi. So,

it's really them-mahmy what they're ajar-can. So, this is, actually, presenting a different issue.

I'm not... We're not in disagreement. Yeah. I'm not, again, I'm not disagreeing with you on,

Gaji, I'm not. I want to present a different argument, just about upskilling. How we can't make sure the kids we need to get

pedigism if you're back if you're not sure to have to have been what they're doing.

And program that the praccarsay by Yusa and Kauk Kauru, it is the gajaj Dio, and

I'm got with them their, IQ-in- Kempgueing and the commasance wow

wawasance lawasantly and And I think to look to look at Indonesia to the

school, from Sambang to MROKE, like that because, it's not that's not really

need to be keep up, just to be people who can't be repartangue can't, not can't

make upskilling. This if want to talk nation building, that's one of one block. That's the

part of that's because the task guru semestin' to muntick imagination.

ambition and serendipity what do you mean by serendipity serendipity is co-hokkian and reuntunging that there two types blind luck

or smart luck if blind luck we're saying yeah Allah yeah Tuhan backar lilin I'm sure I'm sure

in the I'm sure I'm or A but but not belajer if smart luck yeah

That's a guru melit D. Now, you, if you want

to win in the Pertanning Bulut-Tangis in the capubotent like the province,

national or international, you, you, every day have to practice muckle

2,000 times. Yeah. If you every day he muckul 2,000 times,

the, he can't get to get to get to get to , and jatto in

before garris, that's lucky. Lucky by practice. By practice. Muscle memory. So, so a guru, it's he can

makesticantirut to be, ambisi, imagination, and smart serendipity, not blind serendipity. If the people not have attribute that

can't puttick three, if you're engagplagely, if if the people, if the people who are people who,

if you're not that if you want to be CEO of Microsoft, you have to be ambitia. If you want to be under the bulan, you have to be imaginations. Yeah, right? Yeah. Not even with...

Not even with... No, that's the other than... No, that's the third. But if, if I mean, I think, I'm really believe teaching is a lot more scalable than parenting. Now, this if it's in-cadventing, 20, 30 years

to the yeah. So, it's about Moods, like, more than, Mooderick, like, moretian, like, to make sure, more than, like, more physica morni, like, mechanica quantum, or more economy, or what, it's, and you know, Again, be there's a lot of

personal. I'm not about the people. Berdasar can personal person. Many who want to be

guru, it's demy being being PNS. So, so, so, to get

the the pastian, to get the work that he can't be be cut, and

after, finally, it's, after, there's, there, more than, there,

There still many who if, if they're going to be able to beware, matinee, matinee, because it seems great, but then when, when it's been dewasa, the parent who, who's been doing,

nah, you're being PNS, de. Bucan because they want, not because they want, to dedict the next generation. Not all of it, but this is it's justa-do. Now, that is italy-d-d-d-gim-a-k,

if, if, if, if, I wish I only can be dreamy and beharap, be doa, all the kids in Indonesia can get a guru that has been three things.

That's, that. That's not not perlue that. Not peru who's, who,

mancintai, medit and them bina, if muridna, if the murrits' more than he, the arusenue and he promosy can.

And he promosy can, Not, then, then, he's, he's, he'll, and he'll

, he'll about, you know, be able to keep in, because there, someone of the actors in

Merraputti, he said, Dulus, S, S-1, my, because I, was, the,

that, the, task, the end, to make two-D, design. He,

so, he was, he was, he, used, above-and-b- -b-on- -b-on-3-D.

Wow. Mala, it's like... Because, because maybe gurus still upskilling. This is...

But again, it's not something that I'm sure in the world in the degree also there's like this but it needs to be

something that we we're making that we're there are things that we're we're having. We're

we're sure that there Well, many people who are many people who are who are who are but not

because he not have a keyakiness he can't he can the flip side is there so there

so there so there there there is a guru because I'm going to be PNS but there

that's not not want because he's not he can't he can't be able maybe I'm

just maybe I'm just in Google just that that's I think I think I'm going to be,

parodigmas has to beubach. Yeah. And it's maybe from from the talk about. In this,

like, under-bundant it can be able to institution social, or that's a place, and then, and then,

and then, and then, then, now, this is, now, this is however, from,

rather, we're, about, that, that, that, that, We can we see, actually, we can not one,

not just two, in-tara, many people, who, who are still doing doing, many things to get this. There are many of, now, this, technology, can be musu,

can be a guy, but one of the best ways technology that can be used is for the sake of equity. Yeah. It's an equalizer. I always think this this, that it's maybe, Yeah, that's

with we we're hadirkan like, okay, pro and contrast all smart board. But, can it's one

one of one to makehubunk can not want, the isilhani, yeah, has been to be able to get access

to the guru who, who's, you're doing endgame. This, you're doing, endgame,

this is your way of informal, yeah, that's, through content that's that's

that's that what are what? If they're making want to be able to

they're there can't there's many applications, there many there's

many people, we all know courses, more Stanford, more Harvard, more Cambridge, Oxford,

so many that's much that's much that the time you're there's

about, but But many people who not know, I know, I know, I know. So, muddhawn, from we're saying this, people get to know, yeah. But, I mean, we have one thing, the way my outlook on penedican, let's see.

How I educate or how I choose, how I'm choosing, how I'm making school for a child. I have privileged, I'm maddery, that I have been privileged to be able to make school for my son of one of my life. But one of one thing I'm trying,

Is it not school this and guru gurusherunia instill the love of learning If I'm If I'm

If I'm This is better Yeah I'm sure I'm I'm I'm I'm

Maybe that I'm Thank you God I I'm I'm I'm from

from the big to the big to the big is very similar to me

There perfectionist I'm I'm I'm She's beingung. He, we know to school, like, yeah, I'm going to go to school.

Okay, yeah, oh, da, sometimes, sometimes, they're just in time for the school to start. He has got there just in time for the school to start. Wow. And if I, I'm saying with the gurus, is there like a gadget

that I'm not aware of, or there's something? Oh, no, bu. Biasan, he'd because he's doing schoolwork or extra work during the morning session. Somehow, my son justru

when he has to go. Anac my son, who's year, four-tawn, the woman, he justru nangis. If, when,

last, like, no school. Ah, I'm like... I'm like... Yeah, good. ...for me, terserah, nah,

want to be what? Yeah. And, you love learning. Because, so if you're jatucinted with belaj,

want what that, the bidang-ne, he will try know. Because I love learning. And, Pujit,

and the other, my, and I'mikot, muck, so, the, probably happy if to go to

book. Well, done. And it's something that we have to be sadar.

So, this other side. If you're talking about guru, I'm talking about parenting. that maybe upskilling's

susa. Parenting, too, is good if people who are pedantican, parenting, too, not, everyone who's

not being people who are not being, but there, oh, there, there, perkechalian, there,

but, but, but, but, more, who don't know what what you have to do you

do. So, there, there case on the young young, but I got PhD

in Stanford, molecular biology, immunology, from Pontianak. The people are not with an education. But, but she was the mother,

when he had from book. Yeah. That, it occurs. But it's not pervasive. Now, this is how to make make multiplicity

to scale up the process. Yeah. The most most logistic is at all right, where a one guru where's a different 20 to 200 murid. That's already guaranteed, and he's 8-jamb

in there. If an kid back home, one-jam, one-jam, I want to bring this a little bit into a little bit into a little bit about the women representation. Because this so, this is the kreakirang,

okay, guru, orang-tua, I want to talk a little bit about the patriarchal society. Because I want to, what, at the same time support that theory, or that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, but at the same time, I, I, I want to break it a little bit. Because, because, because, many people are, oh, patriarchal, too, perlucking-kul-you-lacul-he. Not necessarily. Just through, I think.

And this I'm going to be able with my team CEO who's three, people

women, people are hebat they're about. How much Sar, justro

who am, repartnaking what to make usah and make the same

to make the S-3 that not their but the mother and in this

that I also, and I'm sure it's also, and I'm sure it's also also, it's sure it's just not only in the room, but also in school. That's like, oh, if you're in the other, adeckyne,

it's, kak, permpuance. So, it's just, he's putang-duland, not be offered something more. Kadang-gand-d-d-d-a-it- but my point is, that many point is, Perilaku or mindset patriarchal

this, it's not just from the sake of that it's sexism. Because, in politics, I will bring up something very, very, this is not a politic

today, but the big part politic in general, that I challenge, if there's a position, there's two, three candidates. I'll say two, one guy,

the one, one person, one person. That's one, Laki Laki, heannes Cucup-la the money to be

to be to make. But, it's, there's, not not be monged with

Pimpinan and, yeah, no, there's who's backing he.

But then there's there's there money money backing-a-nia he also

also got to know bekerja and work and the community community

who do you think in a partai and this of course not don't want to

be long long lebr to go it so and it's

kind of don't don't of the same-tent-pult. We're taking, with peddiction. And this is why, if we're talking about the three things you brought in,

the ambition, imagination, serendipity, and serendipity. Tohokian. From the from the politic-practice for 10 years more, gomong,

it's like cassette-rusak about the terawakilan. GOMONGOMOND INUUNUSA to keep smangat GOMOND with

PIMPINAN PARTI Rintas Partai GOMOND about, the part of course, about, the kenturwakilan Prempuan.

But you know what? Mongomong also in perguron any organization manapun, ratusan that's,

about that's about that. I'm moving the needle is susa. This is talking about scaling.

This why finally, town lulled, one of my dreams, it was manifested. Afterning, I set up Saraswati Fellowship. Because what I've seen in my 10 years plus in politics, what did puttuked, it's not only we're not only we're going on, but it has to be visual references. Because three things are soft skills. So, so this is, these are soft skills.

So, so in Sarswati Fellowship, along three months, every week, there's super mentor beda, which has beenpainting, that is a person, politicians, businessmen,

who are big-belagued is the of the soft skill because this, many that's

I think Indonesia, talentatine is there is a many, benigny many.

As you said, there is a molecular biology. Molecular biology. Sorry, thank you. Molecular biology

there, there in the world pharmacy, there in the world of healthan,

there in the community there there there there manap

that there, I would say a woman, but can also, of all,

talenta-a-a-da, benigny, potensiness there, the potensiness, that's not-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-cli-a-cli-a-cli-a-cure-a-old. Blumtentu-a-lossed. So, we're-certain-a-cli-a-old-a-old-old-old. 15-1-1-Mid-a-year-women

between-u-u-tttttttttoreer-women, 5 to 35 years. Selected from hundreds. First batch, which is a chapter, 2nd batch, 8,000 more. This is from allot,

from air. From all right. Even from the world. Wow. Last batch, there's a tune-in it's reselection from two

other other than. So, we can do it, the world of Indonesia, and the, of the criteria that, has been a language,

I have to be in English, because of the time now. Why? Because we're exclusive, not we're not we're so-law-oh-law not we're not to allow to give this to all the way, but for scale faster, that's maybe Yuzza also,

making SMA-ungulant that has had visual references. Because, when I'm being the Ketua-Umum Tunas Indonesia-Raya, then, Prempuan, women women

in the world in Indonesia melitat there are women, can be a man, not organization

women, not It's not only in one, but in some of the other, in the publican, in the people, the people, the other than the other,

the whole, if all, if they, how can't, because they're, oh, not only as as a

plencap, yeah. Memang, as a piquotusan, this is what we need, in some sector. Agentsy more be able to

be partang-jop- And you know what? many people who say, if you're going to talk about politics, want to be on the same. Politic, the world

political, and with the world people are in the world publicing more menacutka. So what we need

to give them, these people who can be intern, like paid forward. And this is not bad enough. Because in the end three

months, they have made impact project, where they want to do, for they want to do, for their passion.

Because we talk my first session, this is gonna be the first session for the second batch. I always talk about passion, calling and purpose. Because if we don't know our own, we're gonna'n't know our own, we'll not jelas. And I really love one of my favorite books to Outlier by Malcolm Gladwell.

And he talks about the 10,000 hours, Beatles, Oppenheimer. Tiger Woods. They all went, And through 10,000 hours in bidang without people, too many who know. So, before they're actually

make the break. So I want to make sure women, women, not only people, we're going to also scale up with my foundation, Shantri Foundation. We're going to make sure this kind of, but for more luas.

But we're put to, okay, for us, we can be the privilege, we're who our, we can't have power to be something. Not peru, though, so you're hayasawati. You can be whoever you are in campus or in the perusiaan,

whatever, because I saw my mom from not-punia-punia. I mean, my dad wasn't always a conglue. He made himself into who he is It was through his own hard work. He earned his first million dollars at the age of 30, through his own hard work,

work, worked at the age of 30, through his own hard work. Not necessarily that's right back-as-dust, only because my grandfather not corrupt, so, yeah, we're from,

from it from, you know, it's justerhaned-a-old-old-a-degency. Point, point, is, there's-a-agency. Agency. So, if if C-W or or woman,

that, want to be empowered, they must men-in-jerk. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, right? I just about Marum that's on a lot of in a couple of the last in,

in context of the of the women, that just too, many people who don't want to be empowered.

So, this is the counter to agency. Now, what you're doing law-uped this is to make make that agency

there in a one oneida. Because I'm or not? No. Even they know they know

they sign up for leadership Academy. Did ask with Bushintakam Dhani who's one of the super mentors. Want to be leader

not to the depotan? Only a little from 30 this. Yeah. Which men say,

Maw. But with we're equipping them the equipped them with the soft skills and peta,

and and petaka, because of Saraswati Fellowship, they've got access to jarringan that otherwise wouldn't have. They could have. They can gobro long-lang-dung-lang-dung-long-dung-long with Donio Skaria,

gropo long-longed with Redna-Marsudik, because both of them already agreed to be super mentors in the next batch. This is what we need to give more people. Access, opportunity, agency. This is I want galley more than than education. In the context

nation building to control talenta or otak that's there are four the first. The first

is brain train. This are manifestation in Japan. The Pra and Pascha World

Second, they're can do make industrialization and certainly. Sring

people are people people people people 80% of the 10% of the from the

people that's not school in the world school in indigenous yeah, right,

brain train. The second, Australia. This is the name's brain gain. Some of the decade that they were them boughed

there's been bough talenta that's from Indonesia, Singapore, Bhutan, Tyeongk, India, so did it's industrialization. Top 10 economy, Japan and Australia.

The third, brain circulation. Okay. This is terminifestation in Tijuana, and shopping naik, he'd, he'd irim the people

to the whole of the world. So, they're giving more than 9, majoritist the whole, majority of Balik,

Jalme, B.Y.D. And, line, line. They're giving $9,000, the whole of perguron thingy, the whole of perguron thingy, the whole of perguron thingy, to Indonesia, $9.00. Yeah.

Now, don't know, I'll get there. Okay, go. T. Now, so, brain train, brain gain, and brain circulation. Now, the fourth, brain linkage. Linkage. This India.

50 years, they've given more than 7,000 to all the world. Europe, Australia, America, Japan, and other than, and the majority of the same. Jadalya, Sondar Pichai.

Yeah, right. But Sunderbcayaa and Sadiah, every day, I'm giving text to hisbunner, the PONACANNESTA, New Delhi, and the line. There's ledgated Linguisholm, right? Now, it's the end up in Indonesia

wants to what's the amount. if I'm in argumentation, we're not too have been able to scale in context brain train. Yeah, right?

Product pedigyika in Indonesia but not just enough to be rescalah if you want to be able to

China, Korea, Japan, America, yeah, right. Brain gain we're here we have used. We have

to move up. For talent that's good from the world, I'm going to work in the world,

and to increase, people, talent local. What do you think is the biggest challenge or the humbatan for that,

sir? If I'm in think I, think we're using argument nationalism. Yeah, who,

that's a bit a lot of parker. Yeah. I, I do, I'mgapant nationalism

is not about who who can't who who have been but but who who can't

getmated. Come on. Yeah, right. If, if you're if you're people who

that's noticmati that's nationalists. Yeah, right? Now, the three, brain circulation.

This if we're saying we're saying we have, know, diaspora Indonesia in 50 years last year, what? India,

Tiansk, 9,000, India, 7,000, we're not, though. This is like a test. Because I think

I heard this in the other end game. It's like, oh, what was it? 3,000? 200,000. Okay, But, but $9,000, $7,000, $200,000.

Oh, because over, you said over this many years. Over 50 years? 50,000. Oh, if you're in America, now, the school, is 8,500. In English, $2,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in a cumulative, in 50 years, it's not more than 200-a-billion.

Yeah. So, if we're saying with India and Taiwan, yeah, scale we're not enoughy. Yeah. Brain linkage, not there, because diaspora, not too much. So we need to give in and them up the door,

to make the door to put up the door to putt up until talent from from the world and then it's like that this is a lot

this is an aggastring maybe over-simplistic but if in Sumedang the workgna butth

ajaran mechanical quantum that's the there's not there no there's got guru mecanica

quantum and there's there's people who person people who people who can't be

people who Somalia, to learn a Rishammedang. That's brain gain. And then, brain circulation. Gingirim, people Indonesia, as much to the university the best of Indonesia, but the best of the United States.

So, it's a barang. I, if I'm a student-a-ma-as-washing, what is the most structural that's the most of the most part of the human to move? Yeah, the jobbant is maybe there 2,000, yeah. But if you're saying,

if one, that the most fundamental and foundational, is a cuterbukaan. Yeah. Because the attribute utahma that's an attribute

utahasic can the power of with the power preservation. For sure. For sure. Now, this if,

yeah, if you want to contextualize in context in the context banks, yeah, we've been

mennjukan getterbukaan. Yeah. And you know what? I used to talk with Yuzza and we've ever

like, I said, I said that because you mentioned about how India did it with brain linkage Isitilhania He'sp't been

saying that Yeah, because they've got people being CEO in this have people in Google, have people

in Pepsi, have people so many people who can't because they're their own country.

If if the CEO Google in Mountain View name Budi yeah almost he will be biased

if you You know, you can't you try people, but don't the dog, don't, the way of but you're doing work.

So, I've always said that, I've always said, PADOVOL I always said, yeah, if you have the way

to do that, can be able to get LPDP, like, can bea-sissue apopun, if you, you know,

just look for it, not everybody can afford, that's, I mean, it's bloody expensive to belajad in the world country,

we can do it in resimy and safe and legal, okay, procedural,

don't be procedural. If you do it, do it. Lackukan. Because we need, as

you said, people, people who can be dutah Duta Indonesia in out of

there. Because many of people, if from the things also the thing I'm

dealing with that, we're dealing with, that, we're promotion Some of the best ways is is people are people who are people

people know, people Indonesia in there's been to be able to be able to be. Pernahed? It's as simple as that. But of course, if people know, wow,

people are Indonesian. So I always say to diaspora Indonesia at all right, to the other, my, my, my, the other, the dutta,

the dutta, Indonesia, not only only dutte Indonesia. Yeah. Because, people,

sometimes, t'o'nuch they're with their with you. So, again, for all of friends,

ad, and have had to be work in we will not think less of you. Okay? Tid,

not be a different nationalists, yeah? to govaryngedgaran, maybe. But if you're a clear example, sir, of brain linkage. Not just go, he'll just, just go, he'll just, like, one-tah-tahun, there, that's it,

so, right? Okay, this is one-and-a-half-jamb, I'm also, I can't, if... Really? Really? Yeah. I don't know if the... I mean, really, the last one.

More two time again too much. But I just got a note from your staff. You have to go. We're going to go. We're going to go.

We're going to teller. Yeah, can? We're not putting penged. I mean, I mean, that, the, jumulhally,

the whole world 140 to 150, $150,000. Book about Asia Tengara just 375,000.

Majority was written by the people non-Asia Tengarra. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, so, so much of the number of book that menarasical Asia Tengarat,

it's maybe 0.27% from total book that's all the world. For the hawsan that population, 700,000, 9% from

population of the population, so so, for the population, the world, only decrytaken, or did don't

0.27 allurh in the world. This can't garis pawahi that's, emang,

people, people, people, people, can't be berterer, not be under-documentation

the story. I would argue. I would argue. Oh, yeah, sila. We'd like. We're not

can't mendonging, but, again, this is wrong, from observation. We it's a

country that the culture that mendonging it's condonging it as farbal yeah that

if the time Aristotle, Plato, blah blah, that they're there's much,

in Indonesia is actually from, so, so, so, we're

upic abu or bong merah, bong put, that, that's we're doing when

when we're from people from the old to the mouth to mouth to mouth. If you're

if we're not there doesn't even because there's a legal I'm not no no

no no no no I'm saying there because there because there there I'm not saying

no but but but but there but there but there but there's

because I would argue we can we can't we can't we can't we can't or media storytelling

So, so, me that's me that in the world perfilman, that's that's like,

what, yeah, not be debat, discuss, with, with friends in

this, and I always say, one of weakness or the lemah the lemhan it,

in script writing, because we're used in, if we're goinging. If, So, I think the gomannesson,

that's about about a hundred episodes, that's, I put it this way. Jaman work that, it's the same, the same thing, with the voice-over. For example,

like, like, like, like, but, but, you look, just,

just, yeah, how, he can, be like it, I, like, I, you know, that, you know,

that, that, you know, , that, it, if, If it's script, padal script for film,

film is media visual. Tercadang, if we're looking script Hollywood, it's, they've got to patokan-n-n-n-n't-

90-minute, naskan how much panang. In our, it's justurro for, I worked with penulis-nulis-canario, pernage,

I've worked with producer with Soutra Dara who's nulis naskan we're we're going

to go international because I work closely with script doctors in Hollywood my business partner works in Hollywood for 30 years

plus we're giving it's not not not not not not be able that that's

that's it's that the ego the ego big enough so it's so

so not it's they're not going to be able for media. Nullis, pun, Baca Bucco just still be asked

because there's how many who, see, who's like baca Bucco? How many have had purporta of

their home their but at the time in the time, can, for we're to work

so that book no percent page too took time, even there even, I'm sure, there's

there many the people people people people people people people

the people the position arsip the person or

purport the not as a position that but as

position buangan I know it happened so on it has been

so on it. So, we're value in where for storytelling

it to I'm going to draw the line a little bit further I had the pleasure.

I had the pleasure of speaking at a panel with finance secretary of Hong Kong and the president from Vietnam. Oh, my president. And I say, that's,

if you're talking, the question of the session was, is Asia's century at risk? And I said a resounding no. Why? Because there's one that, this is for the investor in the out of the other. And you can check, I actually said exactly the same thing, okay?

For the para investor, banker, or whatever. There is a new oil or gold. Whatever is your preference. Yeah, that's what the name is intellectual property. IP. talking about technological patents. I'm talking about stories. Sure.

I'm talking about talk talk about talk of talko-tok-sejarra. Indonesia has been empire, not just kingdom. Empire,

the rejaeastern in Asia-Tengar which is maja pahed. We've never, and kerajaan, kerajaan dulae, even, the Sultanan Aceh

has been impimped by Sultana Sultana. This is a Muslim Sultanate led by Sultanas. It's checked, not I'm who's who's

not I'm resett. It's ajarra. All of this is IP. But how we're how we're in-cretaken. Korea-Selatan K-Wave.

they admit all we did was copy-paste what Japan did but we did it faster perfected it perfected it Japan did it over

how many years China they know the power of IP because IP is what the end of the end of the soft power how how do you know

about Indonesia we have put together we have been Culinary that were abraham and

wherever you go, there's restaurant Japan. Korea, by the way, Korean

restaurants, 20 years ago. Not per 20 years. 10 years not like not like

now. Japanese Restaurant Monitjin. I used to go to school the becal that

was still still still be seaweed. My friends sushi but like mini-attor. So,

until now, we've got a bad friend until now. We've got to be a hub. He's always bring it up. He said, sir, you still remember, not? We're still,

we're making you what? Nasi, co, and what, there's some, that's who? That was 35 years ago.

But, but now, who's who's not know ramen? Who's who not know? That is soft power. Thailand,

they did it on purpose, They make, so that the bagu their that can be taken to put in even,

even when I was living in Geneva, I remember my mom at the when she was going to make

massac, we're going to a grocery store, is a Thai and Vietnamese

grocery store. But, there's there's there probably had indomis, it's

there, and it's the bahcuh is from Vietnam and Thailand. So, for who

who want to make restaurant Thai Vietnamese in the other other than

other they can access the backucus the government did it

on purpose so if we want to draw conclusion in Indonesia

potensin potentially the I'm with you I'm with you but but I'm

I said Southeast Asia Asia Asia. But we have barely scratched the surface. I as a wakil ketua-um, Kadin, Bidang, Bedoui, Bidang, with Bucintakam, Dhani, Husma,

Wau, Coordinator. With my team, we're making white paper on the soft power of Indonesia. Because, honestly speaking, if there's one industry that is one industry that Indonesia forgot to build, it is the creative or cultural industry.

And more it's in story telling book or it's in the form film or it's in a form song that can be brought.

Mackania investation to grow to make up-rechaia IP our This is a passion I fully support

muda-mudder from the people who oneang to if you're like you can you can't

you have wonang money jean Legislative and executive BEDA Back again to the personola it. Silakan,

let's get dorong for the kementryan Dick Desmond and the department Dik Design Tech can be able to watch this

and some other because it's not the first time we're not the first time we're talking about this and we can't be able to

make much for having this sir. Myap. Marof, galdar gud. Yeah, Hasique,

Hasic. Tuman, that's Sarah Joyari-Husumo, a person activist. Thank you. So, can I just say, thank you for giving me the chance to do something that I don't know if this has ever been done before,

where we come back. Oh, yeah, there. There, yeah. Okay. But rarely. Rarely. Rarely. So thank you for allowing me to be one of the rarities.

because and a little bit of background to all who are watching after we shot the first part of this podcast there's some part of this podcast. There's a bit of gungle

and because I felt like there were a few discussions that thought process that didn't even until, and I took a chance when I took a chance when last I just came-cared

in World Economic Forum Summer Davos in Dalian China messaged to Patita and I asked him if we could

either do a do-over or to add and I think it's fine that we add because actually what is about that's been

that's that's that we're being part of that we've got but there also other

things that actually I just want to encourage this being a very good best practice slash

percontoan, if you never ask, you never know. So I took the chance, I asked, I asked, and thankfully he's given me the chance to come in again and add a few things. The other lesson learned is, rupaniah, I'm the type of the pemikiranginia melanchu too fast until, maybe, mulut below

or the mouth to catch up with my thoughts and I think I better bring a notebook so for a perfectionist I am, I'm a little bit, I am it's not even a little bit, I am a perfectionist. I want to make sure I answer your questions, right? If if there's a partanion.

So, don't be scared of acknowledging when you have issues you need to deal with. Okay. The other, one of the things I wanted to add from what we're talking about mental health, just the first one. the first, I think, major subject that we touched upon.

And there was one question you asked, I felt I didn't really do it justice in how I answered. And that was like, how did I heal? And how is the healing process? How can I overcome it? Because, uh, the first session of Saraswati Fellowship,

and that became a big topic. Um, and, uh, Saraswati Fellowship, as I mentioned in the, part is a leadership academy for women. And this is our second batch. And it's not just a Gen Z issue, as I said. This is actually permaiting, it's just a janeh even more than, just to be able to be bethutal,

bethabiled. And I want to be able to be very open about, that, again, healing process is not something that one malem, it's not something that one-tahun, and even if if it is a mental health issue that's also a possibility,

especially with a few things that I mentioned, which are bipolar, even narcissistic disorder. I know some cases that are in Indonesia that among friends, that's the stilhanes, like he had narcissistic disorder there. Because, like we're going to say,

what he has nangop it and always taking it to the extreme so, we never know but but the healing process that I also want to mention is I kind of alluded to it

but I didn't really do it justice in the sense that I really started to heal when number one through faith at the time more medallami iman and I said this before

it's nothing new and this wasn't for myself, that I'm not even because I'm not because because I'm personally, because I'm really, because I'm really,

God Jesus who's that's in life and menelamatt can't me. The second part is finding purpose. I kind of alluded to it when I said, oh, I started shifting my focus

at a time when I'm in the community in the public and the anti-human

trafficking and all the actually honestly, but really, I put it this way, at the time, when we're put it this way,

at the time the permasalahan that's like putting a um, um, um, um,

um, um, our focus on finding solutions, on serving community, on knowing that our life is to serve a bigger purpose, a bigger something than just ourselves, that it's probably, it's I'm going to focus not only on the problem on the

problem and I don't know who needs to hear this, but muddhawn, this is maybe maybe

need to make the maybe that really want to drive that point, that point, that every single

one of us is born with a purpose or it doesn't even have to be one purpose, but there is a

purpose. We don't even need to know what it is. we simply need to know that we do have a purpose not-munkin-n-n-gha. If I may,

I want to read a passage from I started writing a book, sir. But I never got to finish it. I went halfway through and then I started doubting myself. So even we get imposter syndrome and we question ourselves

constantly, layak, not yeah? Can there who baca, not yeah? But I just want to take a passage out of this that I hope will be of use or added value for anyone who's menager can. I wrote, God knew what he was doing when he created us.

Imagine, at this moment in time, on this planet and humanity's history, there is nobody has never been, nor will there ever be, anyone else like you. Only one of you exists. Somebody else might have the same DNA as you if you're a twin, but nobody else has your fingerprints. Imagine how amazing is God that billions of human beings have been created, but nobody else is nor has ever been, nor will ever be exactly like you.

Biology aside, nobody has gone through exactly what you've gone through. Nobody has ever walked in your shoes. So if you think about it, nobody else can do what only you can do. You were born for such a time as this. You were born through that family, in that country, in that year, with those circumstances for a reason. Nobody else has that reason, only you. I wrote that two years ago.

That's how long I haven't been writing again, but that was through a lot of my own personal struggles to find meaning to my life, to figure out, doesn't matter if I'm alive right now. If I'm gone tomorrow, will anybody, will my life have made a difference? And then to know that I have a purpose, even if it's just to save one life. And that's a saying that I keep on telling other activists,

teratame that's the anti-perdaganan, I say, look, Sometimes, if we're in the world activism, social, we look at the problems again, we get so overwhelmed. Because we're going to menelamatican 1,000 people, we want to save everybody.

But by ourselves, as close to impossible. And I always try to ask people to shift the focus. It's not about saving a million life at a time. It's about saving the world. one. And saving one life is a legacy of a life worth living. And that's why I needed to come back

because I needed to make sure people know that there is a reason why you're alive now. I don't know who needed to hear it, but I needed to come back and say that. And while upon even if you can't even we're just living for our kids, my gosh,

you might not be somebody to somebody else but you're everything to your children and that makes all the difference

so I really wanted to drive that point that don't ever feel like your life is useless or that you are

nobody, you're always somebody and I always say even to the Saraswati fellows that we

we all as supermentor, it's beenontaping to make sure to people that we're mentoring. But what becomes of your life doesn't depend on your

super mentors. It depends on how you take in the information you get and the circumstances that what you make of your circumstances

mender the story from Mas Donio Skaria he from, again, campung in Sumatra Barat. Sudirman Saetai listened to him and how he came from Kabupaten Termiskin, Jawa Tengah, to be who he is now,

and so many other stories, you don't have to look at me, you don't have to look at me, just somebody to see that there's always, there's always, there, and if they can't, you can. And I really wanted to come back and say that, sir, so thank you so much for that chance. And maybe if I can't To make a purpose

It's not instant The point that I'm The point that I'm kept Before is Processing is Gradual It's long Not a setica

Casabaran is very To beputed To come To make It's been Therein'n't In a world where where

all's Serba instant Everybody talks about that Right With digitalization Automization all the whole all right

because pace is going so fast it's almost like the world is repeating itself for rat race like like the hustle mentality

and I say hustle is not necessarily bad thing I think we need to work hard there's there can't working hard

not not much not much not even there in if you didn't work hard when you need it

to you need it to hustle you you hustled But maybe I like to remind, especially the Jensis or who's who's who's still curia, that we can't hustle as long as then we, to find out used through, so we can find out our limitations.

And I want to go back a little bit to purpose. Because, because of the session was actually talking about purpose a little bit. And I really love this. I got this while talking to my friend who's a special staffer to one one one minister, coordinator. Ferro, who's the founder of Pijar Institute. I was talking about passion calling purpose, and then, sir, I need lullusan technique. Bhasa passion calling purpose is like in

awan-awain-awain for me. I, like, I'm trying to make the language of my, yeah, and ever since then, I always credited to him, I use this. Maybe to help, like, maybe to ...embentoole a little. Siapa... ...what the heck is my purpose, like, I'm not telling you what your purpose is, but... Look at it this way.

Analogynia... We're a single-kire... ...it to be purpose our purpose it's to... A, B, C. It's usually in the form of something, bentuc. Mojadjad...

You have no idea how often I hear that from my menteeve. ...moh- ...not... my mind. Want to be a minister. There's always a form.

And I remember, I think I was telling you this in the previous, that I knew I wanted to be a professional actress when I was 14. I talked about this. But then I watched the film, Soul, S-U-L. Animation, by the way,

I think it's on Disney Plus, if I'm not mistaken. Beautifully said, but the intinia, It's actually here. We, if focus

in form, the bentook, we're going very much can't becewee depresi. Mackan't so much

like, calic, like, chelac-c- not-be- ague the body. And this is a

real issue, because so-ol-a-ol-law that form that is a-tut-n- -pad-pad-a- part-sat-a-

when-sart-a-mobil, we're-plit- We buy a car, I need to transport my family of five. Not much buy it to see their car. We're going to go fast. We're looking for speed. Pasti, yeah, the usual suspects that we buy, Forbes, what, Forbes, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, yeah.

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. McLaren and so-trucestrus. That's the usual suspects. We're not. Or, or sorry, what? Speda. Bending jalanjoling, it's going to be able to get better.

Poganying, we're looking for something that will serve. The purpose, the purpose is not the form. Form follows function. Function that's supposed to be focus we. And my function, if you're, if you're, like, oh, yeah, the function is like, oh, yeah, is as simple as, I'm going to be a life, I'm going to be a good

for other and even if my life is just to be of added value for my kids I can be called by God tomorrow and I can die in peace

because I have checked off the box lived my purpose and I want to put on DPR or like I did try to to make undurcured

but not or, tibba, or tibba, or I go to Singapore, or not use to a negat, but

tibba, but it's sure to be docent, Tibatimis, or, Sarah, why don't you go back to the world of acting and do that full time?

Wherever I am, whatever form I take, want to be a ketuah or just like, sometimes, kind of sometimes is like, oh,

Has to be a cutuah. Hello, if you're going to be a good. Yeah. Not even if there's a day who's there who's there who's there who's very good with finance. And has integrity and space. But there also who's there

also who's got to be secretaris who can't long, lintas organization, who, and, is there's a bitabar persona. You know? And there must have there who can be vision. No, not everybody needs to be the CEO.

I know I cannot do my businesses if I don't have my CFO. If I don't have my CFO, who's so good at execution. And this is what I feel like, that should be able to talk about Pemerdayan UMKM. That is what we need to start teaching. It's not about you do everything. It's about, try to try who,

in-tara your jarringan, maybe in the little in one complex, in one desa, who has been a power from our own

and, you know, it's more, if, if, not be able to make gadget, not be, not, not,

get, but, to, to, to-to-to-o-on-line. There are many, you, people,

who, like in SMK, who, what the name, it's still about marketing. Guys,

to long, you can't be interning not perl in the greener. I love when there's SMK that they're

working, the practice it's, that's going to help WMKM in the other.

There, some, I think, can make the economy go around. Now, if I can shift a little bit, because I know

time is limited and I want to go through a little bit of no X. Hence the notes, the notes, okay.

I want to talk a little bit about democracy, but because you mentioned a little bit of that. I felt like those, that was one of those that, that, that, that, that, that, had to pinawere to that, limited time,

that's limited time, that this one is the one where it is my question to you. Because you mentioned selection versus election. This, because many that many, the generation of our generation, we're, and they get fed, And they buy into the narrative,

that if we're, if we're democry, we're democrycy, somehow, oh, democraciness mundus. Padahal, America is indirect election. In-direct election.

In-Direct election. Roller visionary, that. It's got to-tutant all. Oh, my gosh. We've got, we've been monged the people who's

people who, Not long-America, Mon-I-Gin, is in direct election. They're not using it's not popular vote. Electoral. President who's not-pillar-presenting because of the power-terbany. But, still many generations' muda-tina.

And then, Australia, they have compulsory. Want I mean, I mean, yeah, de-ad-es-calian, if, if not, if you're not, include pemilu, in-sana, did-end. We don't have that. And they actually look to us and say, wow, you have 80-something percent turnout. Tampa parapsaan.

Tadapapesan. How do you do it? Now, so, this is why I ended with the question, what, an hour, two hours ago, I guess, in this show. What is the solution, that, can you go a little bit into what you meant by the selection versus election? How do you see, the democracy for Indonesia that would work for our people?

If we're looking many democracies in the world, it's a penrecruiter, talent, more based on patronage and or loyalty, not based on meritocracy.

Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah. This is true. Wow. Impiris. And Tentunuching,

if we're looking from SABG, 88% from the people from the

people are not even people from the electorate that's not not have

not the status. So, it's so it. This is not generalization

but on the publicing we can be able about that they have been

there's have been cognitive to be Okay. So you think that matters. Yeah. Now,

the key thing, as far as long as to menournment 98% to 0 asceapat maybe. Yeah. 93% to 0 asceapart maybe. So, yeah,

yon-noblos, or non-mandatory, that he can be nullar. Yeah. that they're who are who can

be more sensationalizationization or festivalization not making intellectualization popularity contest yeah

and popularity contest is the the person is won't be menack by people who

people who people but many people who must more more more than

this is this is this this is this kind of how, we want

to increase efficiency pengamilance the part of the point. Now, I'm taking Tionk.

Okay. Tionk to if there are two chalone, want to be wally-cota or to be what's aque

is 140, hahl of physical murny, but not can't you can't. You mentioned this. Yeah,

right? Yes, you mentioned this. And then, and then, he's gottold consensationalizationization but maybe

IQing 98. But what But what they're But the one Not the two But the bullet

But it's But back But back Mabok With the second Yeah Now, this is the

main thing Yeah, which is Miser Hibur And the people love

to be hibur Yeah, of course Yeah, right But, but if we want to make nation building

to make the Rantai NILA so we're doing just just because

don't make a few Sucur, we can make microchip, EV, rocket, that can't d'arad in the buland and everything. Amen, amen, amen. Amen.

That, we need to recruit-a-lanta. Yeah. If people are non-STAM, if you can, no comma. Find the in-between. Now, so, what's the, the... So, the,

non-STAM. But if people, if people, if they're asked, if, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I, ma'am, ma'am, I'm not, but if,

if, if, you know, one, time, one, with two. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, this,

if I'm, if we're going to giring nation-building to the way to to work to make make intellectualization to be rank

in the Rantanilay to be rank in the tatan global geopolitic because the end-ugugn't the narasic we're not

as a batisit we're in fact that's the first number four, that even democracy ter-becer number three. But democracy

is what? Democracy is if, I think, I think, is it, distribution or democratization public goods

including intellect pedigation, health, health, social, need moral, the way social. So,

so back to the question the selection or elects, yeah, if it's, that's in elects

is, they're who are, under the standard criteria baseline that we want to

yeah, if we can be moral. He, if he's able to be integritas, he if you can, I can't get it's up kian. He if it's more correlations with the importance of our own to democratization public goods.

I think we're aligned, but then my question is, the really wanted to sit down with all the activists this, like, it's like, okay, carerang-in-as-a-cari-carser-git-a-gir-k. Because we like it or not. Guru.

I know you're going to go there, I know. But it's kind of long-term, yeah. We can't talk about long-term, can. But that's talking about long-term, not instant. If you're here we're reformation, Gage guru and criteria guru. Gage and criteria,

meaning, if, if, for, for the guru that's not in the system, how much? In Indonesia, there are 3.5 million, majority, the gage, 2.8 million. Ain't going to cut it. With gage 2.5. 2.8.

What's the, what you use? think it's ideal? 30 jute. Okay. Yeah, right? Yeah, if you, yeah, if there's a lot of

who's been backat suma cum laude lulled, lusan, agape, or U.I. Okay. He got a paring in Dantara, $40,000. Mm-hmm.

He got a parable $3.mend, the a he al-aslidim-aslidh the a he al-isle-aslid-a-oh-oh-mendang, the mother-twean-mendang, the makan-mendang, like, from the food in Jakarta,

like it's going, he'll be able to nank up the $30,000, so he can't be able to get $1,000,000 from Dhan, I think that's one thing that's one thing that I found, this is it's a little bit,

a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, in Cadin, in the baguasion of the other one of course is culinary also,

some one of the power we, One of one of the other alasan when I asked Dubes Indonesia in Russia one time

I said why it's quite hard for sure to maintain because there

thereupon restaurant Indonesia in Russia in Russia and this is out of the box I never would

have thought that would be the answer but I'm like oh he said yeah but

but the problem keb much kebac chef it home sick

and I'm like Okay, why I said of the, I never thought that. I thought the answer would be, Bhan Baku, would be, the estilagued, the estilations, no, it's homesick. And I'm like, that kind of makes sense.

If you're diaspora that line, Vietnam, Philippines, they go somewhere, they stay there. Yeah. We're, it's, because, because, if, if you're, if you're going to come down.

Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, right. with her parents in Vietnam. He's more more than the food Vietnam

than the food Vietnam in America. But, yeah, the money and in America, gauginess more. Yeah,

kind, lifestyle more can be partong-jolpacan. But if in Sumedang, the gay life-hubes can be part-gulaping

with Gouru, as a guru, $30,000, a month, Singapore, has been from, from, from when

when they're gaj-gulun-a-d-d- $4,000. And, And to try 3.5 people who are people who are in gina

like, the most of we're going to looker as democracy. Apaka we're able to democratization

peniticsics. Mm-hmm. Belom. Qualitas in Jakarta better than quality peda than

Quality of the education. But in Indonesia, not Sabang, Jakarta, Meroke, beda, beda, beda, great-bottes. Now, this has been democratization. Now, this is,

again, I love looking a little bit deeply, like, if it's the thing. If you're not, there's a, wow, all gajiguru will $30,000,

but, but, the qualityas not, this. No, that's, we're not, that, that's compensation

that we're not can't be recruit quality that's not about recruitment for the next generation. If you're

if you're recalibration or in recycle that's this, this is this is political will.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if we can't be so, so what we can be upskill,

who's what's justel to getjelin whatever, to, like, like, program

school of Garuda, or Taronanan Nusantara. Guru that's gure on 120 to

to atas. I confronted. I, I, confronted. I was to get there. Yep. I'm sure. Yeah.

And then I'm 15 years. Right. Because, masing, masu'n't 120 to the past.

Yeah, why not did be done to three-and-juta other right? Yeah,

with criteria that same also. IQR. 120, can be multibhasa, multi-bhasa,

can be because the task guru. In the absence of the Tugas of the people to

Miantic, ambitionation, and serendipity. Now, that, yeah, to be able to redacted to three attributes to be able to be a quality. Wow. And since you mentioned political will, the end-wujung-ugn't-uhn't-as-it-tut-out-situ, right? Yeah.

But this is the chicken and egg. This is the chicken and egg. This is the chicken and egg. I'm talking about problem and solution. This is the chicken and egg situation, because because, we're not like, okay, we don't like, we're not sure with how do you change that?

In DPR, sir. Yeah. If I, if I'm not sure I, I think of legislation to make change gaij guru, make, the paraturan recruit or maintenance guru,

we're, we're, it's, it needs the executive and legislative. executive political will that's this is the bottom line

to help DPR dook Now this is because kind of kind of kind of sometimes people are this wrong to

This is wrong this is wrong ma'amapal as to comeerdecaan since now IQ our IQ we're just we're not

we can't single handedly point to somebody or all we're we're sorry thank you for that

Because I think with all the noise, I'm going to say noise, the noise that there is media social, that drive by those who who's who, the situation is, the point is, it's not even about the penitangue, it's just, they want it chaotic, and it's becoming more and more post-truth. So, when I was at Weaf,

so, why, also, I got the courage to message you to make this chance to come back. I really got reinvigorated. I love being in a room where I'm the dumbest person there.

I love being surrounded by really smart people. And, sessions, and I was listening to a few of the sessions. And, and pasty, this, this, many

that's about AI. I'm not saying it wasn't talked about last year because this is my second year, but somehow,

even more so but with underlying question, which actually I've already asked from from from from

from from from from from from IMD Business School. And he was talking in a session called

aligning capital with jobs. And the young, top of mind, pasty talking about jobs. Di Y20 even year consistently passing among future of jobs. With AI,

not be aligned an antera AI and then we try to, they're to fool ourselves in thinking that the jobs the way they are now will exist. Not because AI itself is to

do what humans cannot or to make it faster to make it better and and then I asked him a question at the end of the session then what kind of future sir do you envision the future of what

the future what with system economy and politic that's like with AI that you're talking about he's like you're going to have to reset because

when he said he gave to he didn't ask him again. I went up to him again. I asked again. No, no, no. Please talk. Just straightforward with me. He said, well, I think it's going to be more

that a perkerjaan not like for life. Pequerjaan for self-fulfillment. This at least what he said. Now in another session, after that, Gen Z and their great expectations.

All the global shapers there's I asked, this is lucied, you know-in-timore, how much for AI inclusion and

and I'm going for your jobs. But in another session, I just heard that the jobs will be gone. And this the words, Professor Briss,

yeah, not mine. He said, the intinia, the work that's not want to do you do

anybody. Whether it's whatever you can name, as a tucang Bersy, what's the same, those are

that he said, this is what, Jansi, this is that I asked, you know what, Janzi, I want to ask

all of you in this room, what is your great expectation? If that, for the future, if the future, if you're going to be gone, if you're not

be the same. Rupanjaubani, the same. There's a jobbant. who I can say that, oh, I, I, actually, it's used to the penitling

with the same, to, actually, to, actually, crisis, which is, in our generation. And we're no longer,

again, again, we're no longer looking at jobs to live. And I was like, yeah, but you know, Indonesia, we have more people than we have jobs.

And if you're looking at it that way, in hearty, and I actually finally mentioned this, you do realize You're talking about socialism. Yeah.

That ain't capitalism. Capitalism is talking about... Or socialism with Indonesian characteristics. This is a grand opportunity to reshape narration our story. That's the answer, by the way, from the Latin America. Yeah, it's not Indonesia. But if, if I'm in view,

if we're not, if we're using AI, this is more than energy this is more more than conventional wisdom yeah,

can if we use cloud Gemini 3 chat GPT or deep

seek that the power than simple search in Google

so we have we have we want to we're

not spectator from narras AI we we have we

have per from 1,300 kilowatt hour to 10,000. So, we have to make in the day to beaum two times lipat. Now, now, the question is, now we've got to beaum 100,000 megawatt.

This may sound a bit too technical, but we have to naikin the day to 700,000 megawatt. Seven-kly-lipat, right? Yeah. So, we have to build up 100,000 megawatt. We, we're

every time can't be able 5,000. So, we need we're

120 years. Wow. Because you're going about Gen Z, Gen Alpha

and Gen. Yeah, beta, I guess after that. They're stakeholders, we

we're spectator. Because in 120 years, we won't be around. No. Choice our choice

we're mutelug has make accelerates. Yeah, from 5,000 megawatts a year, we have

been born minimum 30,000 megawatt so we can make sure we modernization in 20 years, 600,000

is 20,000, 20, 20 years. What's the effect of that? Like, you're talking about raising all this

kind of With one stone, you kill so many birds. One, we can make modernization. Two,

we can can't be rancol narasie AI. AI. This, if we can look at, the labang of work that 150,000 of which 75 million is informal, which is

geek economy. Yeah. Content creator, like I, this gig. This is informal. Not diggat. Yeah, right? I'm not, I can't.

I can't be able to work. Now, they're not able to work. maybe the fabric is it's not it's not. But if we can build 30,000

megawatt per year, this is a rule of thumb. If we can't if we're going to 5,000 megawatt, net job creation per year, that's 2,000.

2,000, in all forms, which formal. So, so, imagine, if we can't, if we can't be able to be net

lapang of work that, 12 million. Pertown, imagine. This job creation massive.

Now, if the informal economy there's 75 million, if it's about it every time we

build 20,000 megawatt, we can make sure more than five years or six years. So you

kill so many birds in one stone. Now, now, you can parodigmany, we're

dayhue too much. I disagree. This, this, I've heard that. I've heard that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

If you can, narrations, to putter a little to more than supply-sler economics. We're sediacred-can-due energy. Then, then, you know, if there's energy, the lamp-and-a-ener-energeneer

we've got, we're trying, the lampoenia, switch-ne, we're trying, the work-de-bankunan-y. So if you're saying about, you know, basically, killing two birds with one stone, or whatever, Many birds.

Many, many birds. We can be rungul narrations. Sorry to all the bird lovers. We're not sorry, but actually it's a rummanger. No, we keep them in a cage. We don't kill them, we catch them. Oh gosh, okay. But again, I want to ask,

just to make it very simple for that, maybe, maybe, but what does the 30,000 a year, in the bentook work in what does that actually translate into? If there energy, There capacity. Capacitas. Capacitas

memongue. And, what's been able be end up again. It's been lighting. If the lampuany, can't?

Perlu perjia, can't? Yeah, if there's penguantu. Perlu, what's... This goes back to your very earlier point

in the other session about patents. Yeah. If you're Tiongok, in 2000, can beaughan 1.8 million patent,

Asia Tengaria in 20 years, in the above 300,000, this, this is a correlation. So if there's a correlation. So if you,

if you know, investation that's the most good, day, energy. Then nation building. So sad. Thank you.

This is not more men, this is what I felt like I didn't get the chance to ask last time. Because I'm like, I'm not here as the packer. I have questions. I feel like...

No, but your articulation on getting out of that hole, it's brilliant. Thank you. Problem recognition is the penting. And, bahawasana, this not baku, that's it, it's been socialized, it's to socialization to people. Thank you so much for this chance.

Thank you. I think, I've, I've gotten what I came here. So, so you got something from me as well. Thank you so much. Thank you, Sarah. Teman,

that'sara Jara Jaya Rikusumo. Thank you.