Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Sharlini Eriza Putri: "Infinity Stone" Jagoan Indonesia

Episode Date: January 6, 2021

Co-founder startup genomika Nusantics, Sharlini Eriza Putri punya cara sendiri untuk menceritakan potensi dahsyat keragaman hayati yang dimiliki Indonesia. Baginya, pendekatan ilmu hayati (life science) adalah senjata andalan membangun bangsa yang lestari dan berdaya saing di tengah situasi bumi yang terus merosot menuju kehancuran.

The Hukum Kermodinamica that's that's entropi, alias, derad chaos, deraget chaos, there's a great of de-a-bebasan, no, there's not a story that can't turn. So, the world is already designed to make chaos.

One of a certain, yeah, it's a lot of it. This is Endgame. Hi, my, my, Welcome to endgame. Today we're at the time of Shardini Putri. Uman who's very backat and

engulutti the bidonics. This is a bit of got about many people in Indonesia. Inundas, in some of the time in this we can't be opas and learn more more.

Charlene, thank you, you, can't. Thank you, for me. Oh, same, same. And I want to ask you that's justerhan, maybe you can't tell you about about your life in where,

school, where, and what's just, what's the time of what's in just? Yeah, so, so, I'm at the Jakarta, 29 September of the 8,7, I, TK's the K in Jakarta, the SEDsd's also,

the SMPNs and the GRIGY, of the other than I'ma-chemy. Then I'm the UTIB, Jurusant Tany Kimia, and S2's in Imperial College London, subjurusan is a sustainable energy future in the Bawawakeney. Now, I, I,

I, I, like, as a child that, as a little bit more, like, I'm saying, not the idea-tiny-ty-ty-mant, but, not the parra-panky-and-a-and-a-tanky-and-a-t. But, the other than thing is, the paranty-nitin, is,

always paradoxical. Okay. So, like, Ibu's like, she, he, is the typenia, it, Freidanker. Yeah, really, people are beabas, like,

whatever, to get, or to... Right. Okay. ...sumperational in back of the and,

and, so, really, so, like, so, like, ...libebebasin, that's,

that's, that, But if my, mya's say, Iycea is a condoong conventional, but he, it's a person's very systematic, so this is, like, the other, like, how do you know,

and how much, so, how much, so, you can't make upheapy objectiv's. Now, Ibu'sa, he is a penelite, when I was in the middle, he was in, where?

He, one, the, but because I was I, I was going to work to Jakarta, then he'd he'd been back laser and optoelectronics. What I was when I was asked when I was I'm saying, when I was I said like that, the time when I was like that I'm not so I'm not so that's like that. What's the application?

What's the application? The application laser and optoelectronics it can be from from from from communication, communication, like, communication, internet, telecommunication, that's really, that's smooth, no matter, no interference.

And when I was, I was, I was even when I developed, like, like, like, a little, like, so if the am I, it's, it's, that's, it's, you can't be able to, oh, it's there,

there's concentration plankton, that's, that's, and, and you, also has also done with her research. Yeah, so I was at home at school, SD, because hobby of the hobby of having nassi Padang,

there's in U.I.S. at home in the lab, there, so like, when you're going to be up there because I'm going to come from there, because I'm not going to eat at home, so. So, I mean, GERgien Pr in lab.

And then, I was, I'm always look, like, wow, I'm really sure, He's like it's really, it's up here, it's up on here, there's just, there's, there's, and then it's,

like, like, I'm like, like, people, kind of, like, so, like,

if you're not , it's not ever a level. So, so level. So, so level. So,

like, k, talk, this, this, it's, like, , what, like it's like, like, like, when it's butter, really, ber busa putti, puttie,

so, and from there, I've been learned, like, oh, there's name is, it's a bit of hot, so it's just, and then. And there, like,

like, if in laboratory, like, like, for in application engineering, can, there's catalog, oh, this, there are optic,

like, like, there, some, there, Then there's junction, converter, and all of all kinds of all. Perna, it was just like my mother's. So, they've got to tell, eh, come down, come down, can't just, can't? In the manuals?

But I'm not really, I'm not really, class 4SD. Masha'u'll. Yeah. But I'm not really, in the cataloging that. But in catalog, I was, I'm just,

So I'm looking like, oh, it's not really, it's just as much like Lego, like Lego, there's, there's, there's a, there's a catalog, there's, there's one, there's one, there's like that,

like that's... Okay. And then, when I'm not being asked when I'm ahe coding, right, yeah? Yes.

Yes. So, so, my, I think, I'm always about So, I mean, I'm going to catch up with commasioan IT, there's computer, there's that internet,

and then there's in the room for people, to find journal, because of the penitika of my, can. But if... But in 80s, there's not internet, but I've been S.D. It's not, but still massive. I don't. I'm first time, you know,

internet that, yeah, about class 4 S.D, that's just... That's in 1. That's 1. Oh, 4 SED? I think of 4 SED. Four ESD, okay. Four ESD.

Yeah, yeah, in the time the internet, it's still, like, not sure, it's like that, like that's really, men's really, how much, so, you can be able to be able to make as much.

Okay. Now, if my dad is a part of conservative, baggian, but that's curiosity is, more about empirical science,

or non-empirical science? All right. Even if it's up to work croquet, that this is actually, can't be able to beckxed, but that's scientific, but not ever to push for

about about anthropology, oh, that's from my aunt putri's that. It's from my own putri's so,

so, so, I'm saying, she's, He's been in 1925. He's in the last 25. He's a woman, he was a little while I'm still, what I'm still, what,

but I'm still passionate in the literature and history. So, if there's a... HBS, there, too, in America. Oh, yeah, not HBS that. This is HBS in the Landa. Yeah, so... So, so, I was I was I'm,

I'm having, what, yeah, I'm going to be a lot, because I'm curious, but why, why, uh, I'm going to get in, that's about, like, like, the story of the story,

that's really, but it's really, but it's really, I mean, the story, now, that I, that, when I was, he,

he, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, like, this, Ken Dedes, like that's been culled, after that's been taken to take people, and all the same kind of like that.

I'd hear of like, like, siru, like, why this is like drama, Sinatron, that's story, but, can, but, but, but, but, but, yeah, if I'm garring a story, he gave a question, before ujian, which, before, I felt, because, he asked, the partionance-in-a-old, with the question, so she's about,

so can Arroq, can't even be able to the husband's, Ken Dedes, why? Why? I'm being wrong, yeah, he's like that. Yeah, more than that's, like that's like that.

He said, because, from the way, the question is, that's always, that's all right, but, but why, yeah,

yeah, why not, why not, why not, why, why, but, but,

if, so, the, It's different, there's a photo, patung, this patung, this, A, B, C, D, so I felt in the ujian that. So, so, if I'm going to do with the other, if you're going to be able to be. But it's still, but it's still, so much.

What? What, what? What, science or social science or? So, really, I'm really, I'm just the two-doumns, like. Okay, so much. Yeah, so much, yeah. Yeah, so much, that's, I mean, that's what I mean, Thank you, thank you for my

my little, I'm actually, I'm really my first of my little bit more privilege. Yes. Even from from the family that every time in Newland, but, I'm more to get more,

like, the beabasan of think that's really, really, very much for the time in the time

not because not because of people, not, never, not, but, never, So like, like, as M.A.A.

I'm actually, I'm galaw, like, like, as if I'ma or IPAS just, galore, like, because I'm going to look like, economists, too, great, and, you know, that's really, right? So, if you're going to, yeah, right, that's he,

like, that, like, but, Ipa, too, but, it's also, so, like, the person, my parents, give a good, so that's a so that's a better better than if you're

better than to find out of think about for fundation of karekirr. If s1, want to take, what, what, that's not what-noticed-up, because there's S-2. I, from from the same a just, I've already, I've got to be doctor

even though, because, because, so, the doctor in Indonesia, S-1, but if, if, if, if, doctor, to Harvard, that's graduate school, not undergraduates. So, so, um, so that's-labor, like. Yeah, that's. So, so I'm like, yeah. So, that's, like, so.

Now, in IPA, it, uh, I'm pretty much more of the-placiaran, almost all of the classarant, so I'm going to, that one, it, to, the technique, first because when you're resets, like in the internet, if did look at curriculum technique, chemo, he's generally, not over-specialized, but mathematics,

there, biologian, and the physician what like that. So, so it's just balanced, like that. It's just quite to be jaddinger, foundation, Kerkah, berfikir. So, that's, good. Then, when you lullus from ITB, why to Imperial College? not to do you,

that's not planned, actually, not planned, actually, I'm not planned. I mean, I'm from the SEMA, it's one of the best schools in the world, yeah, right? In London, it's, it's, people, that, MIT, English. Yeah, can be taken it's it, that, it's not-biasa.

Um, actually, like, uh, My environment is competitive, and it's quite literate, like, ranking universities and so much that. So, like, like, from the S.A. it's really, there's chita-cita.

Citathe's about, well, that's not, that's about, that's it. Mm-it-i-tle-or-Hartre-L, like, and, yeah, like, and, like, I was in the same as much And in the other than my time.

Oh, yeah? Like that, because I was prepared, I'd like to get to German. Okay. Awoling, that's, like, I was like I'm going to from ITB,

I'm, like, like, like, if I'm going to look like seeing the buss and and all the

kind of, what I'm getting, like, true-calling I, to go to work for work because from the other

other than the other than other than the other yeah, look, look, yeah, then, after that, really, be really about it, what's the other than, I'm going to work? I'm working. I'm working four-tawn.

Okay. After lulled from D.B.? All right. Okay. Then, then, then, then, that's just, moment, after the last of the school, again, just,

just, at the time, I'm just like that. Worked in where? For four years? I work in multinational company, in BAA. Actually, I daftar program MTNY, that's as marketer, but it's just to lemper engineer.

Okay. Yeah, because maybe kind of, or more like, that's really, that's really, because, because I'm actually

when I was in marketer, to, when it was in marketing, right? Marketing, because I, I, I have a conviction when I'm going to make because I'm going to get to, I'm going to get

that what I'm going to get what I'm doing with my mother's going to, it, is a bit more advanced, and it's strategic. But why the bigang that not too ganked, like, I was like, I've been did showing my dad's like the caring and and so like applications that's complex, but why not hits in the pastaran?

Selalalala, like, SAP or or Eureka, and all of that. And from my mother's like, because of the other than the other thanat in the matter that just, just like, that's the bureaucracy, the down of the study, yeah, that's like, so, I'm not going to be a rossan, like, like,

like, that. Now, then, I'm going to see there there's been there's been great, but not too, because not too relevant. Because the market, because the market, not really...

Or maybe the timing is wrong. That's timing, too. Yeah, right. Yeah, right, not just because of the futureistic. But, that, the application, actually, it, but,

actually, it's, so, if they were more literate in the business and, I think, I think I think that's about. Oh, yeah? Yeah. So, I'm like,

wow, the commercial site, this is important, branding matters. So, more than the marketing, the first, from the team panelists, wow, this is, this, this, this, this, this,

this, this, can, this, skill-in' to beca using manual book, with baza-an-anue, and, so all kinds, So it's like that.

Which is okay. Yeah, it's actually I've learned about there, not be learning engineering but about how about how about about it, because, after after they're going to be left Jolla. Okay. Perma, or, or long-term assignment, that? Lama, ma'am. So I was that it, at that, at Lampo.

Okay, then, after that, you're to Imperial, of the law-examines, why? I'm going to try it. Ben-mereran-meran-meran, from the technique chemia, then mechanical engineering,

then to genomics. Yeah, so, there's one matac-culea-favorite that's really that's really called thermodynamics. Why? It's got in there, because there

there's a humanist, thermo-dynamica, that's the othera-leas, de-raget chaos, de-rejabasan, it, it's probably going to be up. There's not a story that can't turn. So, the world,

it's been designed to make chaos. One of a certain, yeah, it's oncure. Now, in that, I, too, this, it's powerful, yeah, and it's, like, but I'm not so, the application is like that.

Like that I'm going to put in the fabric, like that, on the car, like, to go to come from, like, so I'm going to go to come to reality, like,

from the technology, that's the that's the same from the other. Now, that from this this is the

this is that, this is that I'm from I'm not really paradox, we can't make up to make upstacken one perspective, perspective of our perspective, and, it's relative. So, I mean, I mean,

I've been in the team international, the background of the education of the Ivy League, like, management, energy, and so much, like, but, in one side, I'm just also in the place where work with the same from from the student from the same from the same from the same way that's from doing the job to supervise

like a lot that high-risk, that's, I'm scared, like, as jave it's gap. And I'm, I'm going to look, like, how, like, high-level management that in the company multinational, it's really effective, really result-driven, and even more focused, and there,

but in there, the city-burhs'er-serun, it's the people are the leaderships like C-C-J-J-jure. And then I'm looking, like, type of, I'm, I'm not making, I'm like, like, ambitious, like, like, corporeate animal, like,

so-law-law-lawed-like, like, beputtaken, maybe, maybe, promotion, or, or, or, and, or, and, whatever, and, best, best, best, best, best. But at one-as-a-as-a-a-sac-a-cariawain in the same, even though, even though, but, yeah, bha-boh-hug-a-hug-a-hung,

I'm just because of-bac-bred-bac-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. So, there also, career-nit-a-a-a-a-deged, but it's from a carer-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-exceptional, so, and I'm actually, is that really, like, um, caget, like, oh, this is the world, you. Now, from the technology, it's also, I'm not even though,

because, like, alumny technic chemistry is the one. They are, they are, the engineer of the chemistry, chemistry, this, there, this is, resources, like,

how to come out of the power outputs, the output of, like, peptin, agar, or what, with the value of the so, it's going to beaumeration, like, to be able to get up to beaum of it, we're targeted for innovative, but low-cost,

like, and minimum limbah, that. Where, I also, I also, I'm just sader, like, still, there's the name entropy, at the end of the juburned justa, but at the end-u-gut-u-a-lusts, so, at the end-u-strimed. So, like, in the upstream of... You're not, is,

Is it not sopheropi? Oh, I'm saying that's consistent in all right that, the world, or social. So, how that's because of evolution? Evolution. Evolution situation, evolution of condition, evolution of whatever. Oh, that's really, pa. Now, this...

Can, many that's been around if there's evolution, it's, can, it's, can, and it's purguesan, and it's abhawakiaan, yeah, right? But paradoxical, right?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, how we reconciliation two concepts this is... Okay, like, like, like, like, like, like, evolution is, maybe, there's a...

...and there, ...isalal the evolution is, from the side technology, like, like, the case like, like, like, or technique chemia, like,

from, maybe, it's just, When, when coffee, su, ya, just like, just, it's like, like, yeah, it's still low entropy, like that. Then, and then, the other, evolution, like that. He's like, okay, I'm more

more more, I'm more, more, this, want this, so, it's designed, like, oh, it's more than process extraction, oh, aromanii the aromae to be able, oh, it's,

it, and, add-in-in-in-hanser, so, so, and, that's human, he's actually, the other than the other than cerdas, but with more than some kind of,

they know there's knowledge, he's got to desire to control. Okay. I mean, it's just monotone. And, this is the problem. Because, because, because, the engineer,

jaguam, can do you do with process control that's actually statistic, that's rapy, very monotone, mongin oneotone

something process, limbh's more monotone, and, And, and then, when the limbah isle-noticed, because there's, I'm not going to look at, there's been a lot of the way, because it's the way because, it's the way up for the the the the monotone, if, if, like, why, why not good, yeah?

It's like that, like that. Look, like, in microscopy, oh, bacteria, that's just that, then, it's just, it, and, it's, more than things, getturb, and then it's more than being different limbing the bacteria used are more than being

better than the permissaned is more than but it's okay. I want to try to challenge a little, because it's kind of what, yeah, a kind of a sense of responsibility in the sifat manusia, but if,

this is a bit, fast forward a little, So if you can be re-cahasa, to be insohnation or or a Kessempurnaan, we can beat entropy. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what's... With monotony,

that we can't even that we can't eveneroy. That's really, It's really like what we're in Nusantix, perjewang- Sorry, that's this is a fast-forward. We're actually, we're going to be able to. But, now, the problem is that is, is not we can't we're not

we're going to be the rise to the entropy that we still can sustain, as a person, so as a man. So, from the of what, I'mbeleager of, I'm doing, this is paradoxical, in a dogcical, in one-sacal, but the alam,

alam, it's not really monotony, like, and, and, and, and, and, entropy, and diversity, is like, nimb, so, so... So, uh, ibaratna, yeah, ibaratna, this,

actually, a-o-o-organism, where, masing, mack-lid-it-it-lid-pac-reactors, like, like, the reactor-and-s, and, like, like, So, more diverse, more diverse, biodiversity in the world, it's, it's, it's,

because, Ibaratness, oh, I'm going to be able to live by ABC, but, ah, may be able with organism this, be able again with CD, and this, so that's the cyclos alam that's not cut. What is, actually, right, is, actually,

to get economic gain, the top-sting-tinging-in-sting-in-n. But, but, not back, again, this, that's making the entropy, that's making more habitable for us. So, like, the way to make the entropy the world, that's not really bad for the way

that we're trying in the Dung Sanix is, with, to educate, and, what, you, to be, diversity, to still be it still to be able to be to be able to be able to be because,

the language diversity. Manusia who have knowledge, have desire to control, they want to monotone. Yeah. Yeah. I'm okay, like, we're, we're many hear sound or nata that fatalistic.

Yeah, can? Is that in context entropy, or whatever? Mm-hmm. I, if I look at a perubahance and will just be in things that atomic, and then, bits and bites,

and bits and bites. And the other than genetic, and genetic is with genome sequencing that's been done by many of the other in ribu-an laboratories in the world, this is there is a titic-terang, right, right? If we can,

we can re-recaeasa. And if we look science, is how we can can be able to get what's but if we can't even how we can re-cahasa what's what's what we're going to be, and, now, genetic, it's just with application technology,

how the sequence that can be able to be edit, can cut, can be paste, it's it, it's, so, species, Whatever, it's even if we can't be able to be able to if we're going to get a certain of our own meters.

That's it can. If we want to get-tourunan that IQ's 1,000, mathematically it's possible. That, if I've got it, it's like 5-10-generational embryonic phases, that IQ can be up maybe 50-100 points. Point. Yeah, if we're going to 1,000, if we're in 50, how generational embryonic phases, can?

Yeah. Now, it's, the end-to-wing-of-shundsifat. Gene, is, actually, plasm-bubbaugh-sifat. You should be optimistic, don't. Don't too fatalistic. Optimist, right? But justro, we're just that. We're looking at the kind of entropy that's sustainable

this as a problem. And we're seeing how much the of the mainstic to beaubricity to be able to solution, so as a solution. Because, like, ... we don't know, like,

code genetic in our body we're going to get to, and then, there's penemuan alat sequencer. And more than moreoverdbable. Because of two-hundred-dollar sequencing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, do you.

Yeah. Then, after that, well, sequence code genetic manusia, where it's already mind-opening, like, because,

like, racist, it's not bad-dars. Like, like, racist, not ber-dars. Oh, this, sensitive, the topic.

Yeah. It's, like, oh, terneture Nercure, it's not just because there's correlations. Like that's, and thener, so, actually, is, when we sequen cell in our body, it's the second of the cell of our body,

it's, the biomayom, it's bacteria, bacteria, so that's also, yeah, it's just, the mind-opener, like, before we always look to look up against,

abas it, that we're doing that's good, there's one of the good, and we're just sadar, we're not 100% manusia, yeah. Trenata, they're also, they're also,

they're also from our body, so. So, the paradigm is, yeah, single organism, there's name of the other manuania, there's name of bacteria, if now,

after there's genomics, we're actually making look, that, oh, manuania, yeah, he's super organism, can.

So, we're our own universe. In our body, our own universe, that we have ecosystem in the usus, there in the the world, there's in the other much, there's in the other than, like that. And there's really, many things that we don't know.

Like science that's actually, really, really, doesn't make correlations causality if this gen this is that this is not to know. Or microbiome, this is that's about everyone, it's not even though.

more diverse, a microbeleum in our body we're making resilient. And it's consistent, not just in the body of the human but in trumbuged carang, in the other, in, in the human, in the tumbuance, too, in the huts, in toupis, too, like that.

So, with the genomics this, it's, really, like, this problem is, why entropy, that's high-high-that-high-to-it-know-know-tack-tourn't. We're not-tahed. We don't know.

There's a paradigm that's not so that we're not even ignorance. How's how to be it's not going to provide tools? Ternia, there's a lot to measure, this, how, so we're really optimistic if, one-saidivority level, in our body, or in the ecosystem, ecosystem, that can really be able to bea conscious decision.

For example, this Apple Malang, non-GMO, this Washington Apple, this diversity score of A, this C, or people will be able to playing field that. Now, there we can have playing field that better. So like product petanic, exotic in Indonesia. Even can be re-caiasa, so it's superior,

in than the A. Yeah. Yeah, like that. I'm going to tarry a bit, If we look at the story, this is the this one person who's been hypotesis on transmissi information from the from the next, that's in Aristotle,

2005-tall-in-lough, but he not know if that's whether or what or what, but this, like, if, if, if, if, there's, there, there's transmission information, yeah, right? Now, that's been by Mendel, in the father of genetics, but although he was actually biarrant.

Now, this, if we're extrapolation to the depotally, so, it's actually, it's quite great, for we, for we can, to be able to beaic our own, as human, and biodiversity that there, flora and fauna. That can be re-requayasa, to be sustainable,

so that's what, what, what, what, what more than what's more than, that's, if you think, in Indonesia, that's, that's not, well, I don't know, to think of things like this, that's how, that, that, there's, so that there are people like you that many, So, how to we can put up to our biodiversity,

to we can, what, what, you can, what, to make, what, we can, what, Yeah, one of the, what, yeah? Yeah, propaganda, in a good way, to give you to give you, this, this, this, relevant, like, I think, like, I'm just, like,

like, it's, that's relevant, so, and it's, oh, it's that, that, that, yeah, right, that, Now, because we're also, we're seeing the moment COVID this is actually as a thing-in-ingat, like that. So, something like that's because

many things that we don't know, that's maybe, that's maybe, that's really, that's about the way, the other, yeah. Mm-hmm,

one, why, if, if, if, if, if, , if, , than the air that's more than like that, or not a baby, or not a baby, or a dewasa,

like that's that's, that's just, it's just, can't get infected COVID, but there's even if it's not using, not even if it's about, not what, that's about, that's about, and, like, immunities, to, what, and, and, like, that's all that's all that has, is there's correlation

of diversity, gut microbiome in the perute our So if the gut microbiome is diverse and seimbang, like innate immune response is more soinging the immunities he's more more, and if in vaccine, chance for success is more than more. Like that. So, if it's biosyce, yeah,

it's just got to be able to get back. And then, how is the way microbiom, if in usus, it is, soimang. So, really, simple, the answer. The answer is, is,

and it's more than So like, like, from the other than we can't make like that's like, so simple, to enhance diversity, so simple, we can't more diverse. Gar-gadro-rug-rujack, and, and,

and, like, and, and, the buwant tropis, the other, so, so, consistent, so, so, we're,

we're making new-normal, because because the environment more russing, mutasin more We're more like more than what? And we have got to with what?

We have got to be with immunities our own our own ownity our own ownity that's just one of our own thing we're not that's a correlation, immunities is correlates with biodiversity that in our body of our own. So, we have to have to make sure how much

so biodiversity in terms of diet and also the place in the condition balance and diverse. PENUATMENT. The power of our body, in the that's not as exponential of the power of mutation,

the disease, yeah, right? So it's mutation virus, it's like it's more exponential, than the power of our body our. Yeah, so it's... If it's... If it's been a lot more linear, linear,

the more than the exponentiality of the from the disease that's been mutation, it's the other than the other than mutants that's where, that's what we're getting the more of the things, it's more it, it's just biosis,

and, and, it's more extreme, yeah, he's more more, you've made PCR, right? Yeah, PCR, right? Yeah,

Talk about that. And how from there, succour-sukur can't be vaccinacy? That's the process that's as a panang of what, and, yeah, sila-huh. Yeah, so, like,

maybe before I was a little about, what, yeah, about the story before making test kit PCR, so, so, so, so, really, like, So, the mission is that's just like, entropy, this, naugnable, how much the way to manage is

with with imperjointed to beaversity still to be able. Now, how to beaversity that's the important, a context, and the thing is important, there's business that's relevant to the community. Now,

so we're going to beaumavisity this, actually, we're at all the way that we're making, like, like, talk, market what, in Indonesia that's the most operative, but technology that's also already, and regulations not ribbed, ribbed, really, we're looking at application this can't be takenaline through health and diet,

and not microbiome, that, it's like from ecotourism, it's also from, like, like, mobile-listric, there's a lot. There's also from pharma, it's also from agribi-biotech. Now, just we get, this, the market that's the market that's beauty. Because market is good-be-buck-bri-buck-a-loss. And, it, and, also, the,

regulation, that, too, also, still relative abu-abu, and it's And it's a good for startup, right? Now, then what we see if, if microbiome that's not asimbing, it's the peniacet of skin, it's a catawan. And, like, in the muccaiom, there's bacteria, there's jamur, like, like, say, I'm just as well-pacring,

you're gonna'uncussan, that's all that all right, like, yeah, he's gonna be done. So, like, in there, we're hypotesis is, if we're who we're gonnaeotomyme diversity matters, in the alam, like, diet, immunities, perot, and, like a jowan-a-ohan, that's like to jambangue, but if it's just imbang,

the blood jirawater, that it's just kind. So, that, to beautee dula. So, business we're allan, is someone that's wap test, the blood mucan. And then,

then, then, and then, right, down where, or if you're going to again, there's a different sequency.

Oh, bacteria this, it's not going to gulose, you, oh, why? So, why? So, why?

So, they have got a certain for, oh, yeah, for the other, yeah, for the care that's more than the last, the most of the right, the right, that's the right, and not yet, and not yet that's the, there's,

there, can't be there can't, can't, can't. It's, long. Well, this, we think,

it's, so, there's, there, who's not only people who's can't even when it's too, not manis it's not as much the little bit more than the chemical component of the kringat,

it's already, there's gothame, yeah, there's, there's amyloseyno-yuk, yeah, like that. Why, like, the skin like that, then we're educating about diversity and so much, because we want to solve

from lifestyle, to inspire if diversity matters. And then, then, after that, When when COVID, like, we can't get P, SBB, and so all the same, because of North Atlantic, people in New Southamix, it's peop

and, the tucang protest, so, like, if we're going to be with, like, this, this, this is the government so, not there's been a positive? This, this, this is this? It's just in Surabaya, just this, just this, just this, and, just this, and, and then,

then, and, like, in Nusatik, there two people, People, too, that's great, that's the CEO of the Revata, he's before, in Singapore, in the backian-medical diagnostic. So, he's making tasket,

what? Biomedical engineering. And then the other, that's my friend my school in English, he was on a cutie, he's got a S-3, bioinformatics in Oxford, and then, lab his, that's,

he has a project, want to live back, Mamut. Oh, oh, great, right, He's like that he's very much. He's like he's going to be like, like, you're like, Like, you know,

like, I'm like, oh, yeah, and then, he's also, he's got-gabung in a project where, he's been sequenced genetic, and he, he's, he's,

like, sickle cells, the penacetor, it, turned, it's, because there were there's not that people that's not

mind-blowing, Now, we've got to talk about testing and such a lot of things, so, Rev, you can't do? Like, like, do you can't do you? How can, and so many information kaffirah, how? That's why, I'm going to, tell, ta'y-tank. So, after they're both, too, so, commit, okay, if there's a person to volunteer,

to make prototypes, we're maju. Yeah, because they're both, too, And so forth, I mean, I'm saying, for social engineering. So, if you know, that's got to contact, or if there's a lot of the task force, this, this, many people who are being contacted via WhatsApp.

So, after the number of PAHM, Kepet. Now, before I, if I was organization, it's, with the government, what, yeah, a good-upéte relationship, like, like, love-ed relationship, like, why? Yeah, the one-sissy, like,

I like, like, how, how, there's idea, there's a lot of things, but to, to make upy-noticent, dispositions' long. You know, after the end. You can't, why. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not.

But, in other, I also, I'm really, this, the government is actually, really, he's serious, he's not making us, because, at the end-d-d-dict-d-d-d-d-d-taped-d-d-d-d-baped-baped get to get to get, so that's

there's LPDP, that's, got to get up. That's not to the current need. But not to be a lot of the right. But there's a bigotraiser. Now, that's there. There's been a bureaucracy. That's it, that, genetics. But, but, but,

so, but, there's about because, because, it's up for the WhatsApp that's, really, really, really, they're all right. And, if it's, if it's,

if it's, after, maybe, in the last month, can't, then, yeah, we're, we're,

This is the work of the first of all. After all, after we're following, and all kinds. Okay, I'm going to Nusantix, it's going to task force BPPPT. You who lead sub-tax force to make PCR test kit. And we're doing it? Then, verifications by the chief? Verifications, it, from lead bank,

lead bank, and from lab, lab national, also, from biopharma, because biopharmia, because, has been a laboratory that's leveled at certified WHO, yeah, like that. Now,

And if we're going to take it, vaccine? Talk about it. How about it? Yeah, that's... So, if you're, if you're, so if you're, like, like,

the vaccine COVID, this, kind of success is about 50, 55%, and then, actually, actually, not a causality that

when, if they're, if they're going to give the vaccine, they're going to when they're getting the immune that's in the system immune that's even in the body that's even though,

so, really, there's what in the back system immune that. And, that consistent is, making diverse and balanced microbiome, usus, they're more good to get vaccine. So, like, the company that's in the world, like, English and such all kinds of, they've already developed vaccine with basis microbiome, so, like,

the imjerk, that microbiome is, so that's diverse. So if if you're from the vaccine is more effective. So in the other than more diverse? We are, people? Maturebians. Because we, because we, it, in cartel of estuia, then if combined biodiversity,

and the land, we're going to be the number one, so that the diet we, and, the, the, the, the, the, and the other things, that's more diverse, more diverse,

diverse, than the other. So if, like, in the other like, like, oh, Indonesia, room, from viruses, exotic, and be badhawares, yeah, it's different, and that's core competence, we're really, right? That's right.

So, so, what, yeah. This is, what, yeah. This is, we have, that we've got a unfair advantage. That's what we look. This, if, if, this, can, we, we're, capacity to vaccinate.

at the least, 300,000 people per day, yeah, shuckers-sucur, it's a jute. But this is realistic just, if a day, three-a-hundred-a-bue, a month, that's nine-jut-a-tone, at a thousand-a-totus-a-tot-lopulation two hundred hundred and one. Mastigua, right?

Three-tah-tawn-an, right? Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, so, man. Now, that's what we can do we can't accelerate. with success factor that can be partang-jolpian. Don't even be it's untieck, three-bunuched,

ah, and it's a-h, it's actually. That's actually inevitable, because like vaccine that's developed Yeah, it's black box, yeah? Yeah, really, and effectiveness also, the result of the ujinnia, like, yeah, 50, 55, so, I'm going to see,

also a momentum, where the government is to make sure that's to make sure that's to make enhance immunity. Okay. Dimoled with things simple. If we can give you, diversity matters,

we can also, we can't goadogad, can it's not ma'al, and it's not much, it's also, local, we'll also. We can't even be able to be able to be able to be trained, right, all right, all that's on the plant,

yeah, there's a hydrophonic, yeah. There's hydrophonic, yeah. Maybe we can more, what, yeah, more, like, if, if, if, jabeau-degu-tabek, they want switch to sped,

to speed, mobile, or other, or whatever, and, so, like, to make momentum this, we're making, to bea-beenurendia more than more than more orientation

to bea-diversity. Something, what, yeah, core competent that's all right, like, to ask people, why, biodiversity is what, what's-lucity is, yeah, luci-lucan-a-cunay for tourists, and so, like, but,

but, actually, no, though, because there are Earth-Bio-Ginom Project with pendant $4.7 million, dollar, because they're looking like biodiversity is important. With we're going to sequence

some organism that in the world, we're really, like what what's... The target of the... ...moyard of three million people, to sequence. Yeah.

And what's a ecosystem is resilient. There's what in back immunities and all the kind of like that. So, I'm going to really... Okay, so there's

If we can't even if we can't, there's about, there's immunity, that's immunities will be it, there's really, because in the world context microbiome actually, the trend is, kind of healthy lifestyle, balanced diet,

maybe there's who's going to be mindfulness, there who's sustainability, and perjewinging the community, so I'm doing so, I'm going to see,

what, yeah, that's actually in consciousness of the people's but it's still in elitist, yeah, that's a calangang of elitist, but if you're in the calmeda in the behind, we've got, we've got resets. Aspirations to be conscious, there, but what's not there is, what, yeah,

uniting context. But in the desa, they've been in the area, they've been like that. Yeah, like, uniting context that's that, that's not there, that's not really, like, like, because if, if we're going to switch to the sky for the sky, or let's switch to the other than,

or what, or toller panel, and, and, if you have money, that's, yeah, if you're more, basic, basic, as it's just, the more than, and things, but if we're actually, when we're all of now, people are now,

parno, and immunities. Yeah. We can't get-enhanced if we're diet more diverse, the environment, more diverse, biodiversity-divisity- So they're so, like, oh, this is a unity context,

where we're doing this really for not just for the matter, not as a matter, for the environment more than better than, but back again, for our own, and existence as a human.

That's if with manusia, but if with flora and fauna, what we can do? What we can do? What we can't, what, what, um, diversity flora and fauna.

If we have, we have, we have vision, what we have, we have to see, spot-spot that's being Rewas and all the obvious. Moral Rift, and, like,

we can monitor diversity. How much? That's what we developed in Nusantix now so, so we're like taking data, sequencing, we're making sure how sequencing more, more, more than than

data more reliable, because if data's more also machine learning is more good. So, so yeah, we can't bea-divisity score a plus. Beesocity score's a plus. Then, so-besoking again, as a minus, eh, tibet-pac-pac-pac-oh,

it's not-boh, that's not been able to bea-lawinging. Begutting, then a-lady, before they're a-lady-bucked. Not like now. If we're not-tough, we're not-toughed-gut-n-luck-a-tot-luck-a-old-a-cout-old. And it's-cust-lata, and then-liet-lust. But, then-ttttub-sssacing-old. Sizing has done, not, for you can make much massive, yeah, in the whole Indonesia?

How much money are we talking about? If we're talking about it? If we're doing, what we're doing, the technology is, so it reliable, but the end-ugnigone data,

data genome project international is, there's it will be able to be able to the land of academici and so So when the data that's we look at, oh, ecosystem of resilience, so this is this, this is this. So if you're open source.

We can't, like, but it's kind of, but how can't, but how, how can't, that's the other can't make it? What I mean?

The information is, but we're, but we're, for all of Indonesia, this is, to make, on the about the

bio-diversity our own. Yeah. Yeah. But it requires money. It's probably money. It's not a need just. Yeah.

What I'm going to know, what is the money that's need to be puttuking to beaupersity that. So, we can't make a little bit ofusitist to be a different. So, this, not just stop, if it's a bit of purruthan,

so even if it's more than pay-divoritya-inthinian. If you're mapping, all bi-diversities in Indonesia, when we've been kittung, we've got to be itchews, like, so. Yeah, right, really, little. In context, economy $1.1 trillion. Yeah.

APBN, it's $150 million. That's e-ecee-e-e-ah, that. Yeah. But, from there, we can't really be able to see if, if a ecosystem of resilience, that's like this, that's like this, so. Now, if you're going to sequence genomes genomes 270 million manusia, it's, it's a bit more, so we're just kind of a bit.

If we've got, we've got, there's a suco-suk-turtentu, that, that, d'u-etentu. But because they're taking sikip, now, now, no, no-wong-ren-tank-a-n't-womong-sucu-ap. Yeah, right? And we know if... ...their from Kenya or Ethiopia.

The more than... Yeah, right? It's because anomaly in the body, in genes, so... ...soing the transportation or production hemoglobin it's more than the normal, so that's transportation from paru-paru to all the cell-badan. Now, that can be re-requay-hasa, genetics.

If for mapping genomic... ...inomal-manusia, Indonesia, 200-juta, it's not going to be more than $2 million dollars, dollar, sir. Oh, yeah? No, because it's more than the Yeah, because of the world of the world diversity, yeah.

C. Codinetic, it's more more, so like, on course for storage is more big. Wow. So, total, total, like, $4 million a lot of that's, wow,

we're allege, yeah, we've got, we're gonna, yeah, and to the right, so, so, if, if there's

I'm going to make plasma nuftah this, to be, to be together together, or what, we've got to assess, why he's going to this, we've got this, we've got this, so we can't put aqueousan for diplomacy, for negot. So we're more, yeah, more than we're going to be able, like, great, great.

Okay, if you're thinking, this, can, the need of the need of the data to make making, not the human in Indonesia, or biodiversity, flora, fauna, and all of it, that's not more than $4 million, right? $60 trillion, or $60 trillion, in context APBN,

more than $2,000,000, it's ece, right? It's little. And this benefit is, it, is, well, that, what, what are what, what are what are what we can

or we can take as a collective, so this is this is public or public and private, or private enterprise that's doing? I'm actually, still still still but, like, to answer this, but I think to answer this, actually, I think, to ask back to the other,

like, to someone, like, because I think, I think that's based on the the basis of the human, that's the basis is trust, and trust is, like, and trust is true about, like,

trust protocol, maybe there's block-chain, maybe there's imani, or, like, it's like, it's from the number likes and shares on YouTube and,

like that, where it's the end of the monetization, like, like, the question's the first is, economy is now, not already, not from, since,

we're going to be making we're going to how we monetization the kind of if we can, if we can make direct correlation between

the importance diversity, and diversity that, so, like, cost of degradation can be like, what's a certain

like a truss protocol, so that's like diversity, to the other than it can be looked as much as it as a matter. If I'm saying I'm looking at it's as data. Data, right, right, right? Right. Yeah, right? If you can, from the manusia just 20,000

data points. Yep. I'm not know if biodiversity is it's is that's in the millions, in the hundreds of millions, or in the billions? Yep. Salsay. Because if you can say, hello, no-useu-mong-n't-mong-nama-lampure capital from where, or institutions of the money,

I have, mapping from data with 270 million and and a million or million-a-data, data data biodiversity, that's, yeah, that's, if I'm in my opinion, it's really, if you're going to be monetize.

If you're going to hand-off. But if the government wants on, al-dh-dh-lal-lilah. I'm just, like, from we've got, really, really, business case that's solid, But we have, we have some,

there are values that we're having to be able to be because we're going to monetization data as a strategic it's same also, it's also, what, yeah, the people, we're going to, manusia, will be able to be able to be able to get back like, like, like, the other, like, the other,

like, the other, like, this, this, this, and, this, this, like that's like, but scientists, when they're not think antibiotics can fatal like now. Because, because the tendency of scientists, they're really, they're going to be able to

help a way reductionism. I always think about, how, so, if we're going to, if we have data as a strategist, point that's the machine learning, it's, that's accuracy really high, yeah, or even 200 million, that, it will be,

be what's... ...that can't even more than the other so they can say, oh, they can make a clinic like, I can make a clinic, baby, so the other, so, so, and then, we're going to be hadaping

again with nature of the human who, am entropy and is too where, when they look, I have knowledge, I have control, and I have desire,

and if you've been power, it's, it's just, in, uh, uh, uh, it's, it's like, it's not able to control, that's, maybe society, but not even tautin' more diverse, it's also competitive and toxic.

If everyone wants IQ's high, what's the only if everyone's going to get IQ's high, because what we're having a ecosystem, a one of a certain, a new or something, they have resilient because they're diverse, because, one's making, to, to be on the other than if you're like eugenics like like like, like, like,

like, like, for us. So, for us, is to let us as good that to monetization, yeah, we have to be, with, what, yeah, with, consequence that maybe, that's, we're,

we're, we're having, yeah. Yeah. Taddy, I'm challenged, the first that is, and diversity, where paradoxes is consistent.

Now, the second is that I'm going to challenge again. I've ever read the book, the gene. Yeah, he... Sidhartha Mukherjee. Yeah. And, in that, he's just like, the end of nature and nurture, the end-to-dojun-to-do-neurtser,

how we can give environmental nurturing that good, so, so, potential nature is out of all, so, even if you can do get a genetic manipulation in the badan and, who's more than such a much, yeah, if nurturing is better,

yeah, he's not pinter, so manusia, human to be able to think journey, to have wisdom, but if you're not getting better, not get wisdoms, this is the

case that the third. The case that is the because AI, because now, even, even like, like, my child I'm

even better, algorithm that's, algorithm that, the algorithm of this, this, to this, But if, if it's designed constrainings by one it's, it's been the objective of the person to the objective of the person.

And I'm seeing if, if he's super-pinter, to answer objective certain, and he's really reductionism, that, the end-ug-ugioning-uhn't-weigh-en-webaghed. Why, we're doing, like, we're being with AI. Now, we're going to be a.i. Why?

Because we'll be able to be able to be able to life that more human, because AI is being data, machine learning, and robotic vision, for the matthes, but he's not a concept that's nirani, not there's five sciences, and so much like that. So, with AI, AI-semajew,

it will be a... ...can be something normal, the same reality. I'm sure that's a high-i-signy that, the other people, to, what, ameem-mohan-like, wise, that,

for as much as much as, go, put, put, down, so he can have a algorithm that more human, so that can be able to human in-human in-human

in-human, that's in-the-game in- that. that's in singularity, that's the name's nature and nurture, the story can just be different, because with that he can't train- There's been a predabathing.

Yeah, because of that they can't be learning, can this, can this, can be like, every person can be polymed, or then, every person can be scientist, and everyone can even

can even make self-credas, like that. Then, then, man will be rebutkan like, Yeah, back again, like, like, it's like, he'll endropingingingan more sustainable,

and everything, like that's all of all kinds. And then, the end of the end of the way that's that's always wisdom. Now, uh... Lanka. Now, wisdom is that I think, we can, uh, can, if we can't get,

if we're really, really, um, mapark our own our own to be there's about engineering but we're doing like, like, like, art, what, what, what, like, history is what, and, and, so again, so he can get like the red and so much.

So I'm just that can monetize. AI, I'm not terbantahed, singularity, it's, even, it's, but at the same we're going to monetize data Indonesia diversity, so that valuable it, we have planning, also reformation, education as a systematis, how much the way the way that's not too redactionist like now.

How much so that's uparker can be able to look at the other paradigm, so they can, what, yeah, can training their own to get wisdom, because what we know now,

eh, ternata, memory that can be passed, though, even when the moment's traumatic, but I'm sure that's a real traumatic, but I'm sure if, if this is a lawyer hebat,

maybe, this, what, this, or what, it's like, like, that's like that. Now, like that, if we're now, now, we're going to preside for 50 years like, I'm going to be really, really, being open-mind,

with a lot with my other, my child I'm also, my child I'm going to after singularity, that's got along with AI, he can use of the wisdom to make manoeuvres of human, but if,

if if the pediccan's really, it's really, yeah, it's not, it's the, it's the end, it's the end of the time for us, that's,

so I'm not want to ask, we have potency So I'm not only the monetize, I'm sure that's it's actually, but the question is is it up to make data and strategist that's right?

There's one kind of that's systemic. Angupe-lh-lap-liaan in thesis our thesis to create the bigiak-sanaan that we want And after we're making to the people that are in Indonesia

and all the biodiversity that there, this is need to beaute, and this can't come from two-a-a-a-a-rahaas. One, swastas, one, one-pemirited. One-the-porettal. The swastah, we're exposed with the cyclous two-tallon.

Yeah, right? You got seed funding. Yep. Yeah, and gave the data to you do not, you know, this is in down to-year-old-allon. And if you've got from the government, succour-sucur,

the government to be think, 30, 40, 50, 50, or 100-town to the other, but there's cyclist politic, too, right? Yeah. And that's the cyclos five-town. If the cyclist politic every five-town-in-a-torn

it, it's a way, it's just, the other, not, uh, tariff, No, it's hard. So it's how to mitigate risk of risk like that? I'm more than I have more than fact that, because sector swastas,

they're, what, yeah, is used to be used to with to keep common interest. Okay, but it can't be generalized. But, because, because, not can't be generalized, Because in swastas, to to becernuang to monetize

with the way that's not aspadone with the kind of that we've created. It's there. There, is. There, is. There, I'm not able to answer with detail, but what I'm saying,

if we're coming, if we're going to come in coming to get in, data, it's actually, it's really, monetize, but we also we must be able to control entropy. So, that's right.

So how to... So how... So how, so that's the swastainty is like a super-ecosystem, so like, like, to be together in a truss protocol, with, you know, pep-business, in-end-education, actually. Yeah, but the example of concretely,

like, if you're making... If you're in the North Indonesia, the more than the more than the world. The way, this is that's a lot of the world, stop, people from all of Indonesia and the world. But, the penderan of the swastah

has interpreted that better, this, this is not red, this is just a good, or this, even, even, even,

this, try, to, for this, for this, for this is, Now, that's not conflict, conflict, like that's can't be that can't be able to beckontingan

the government and if the than the than the swastat. Or, even, from two-arraiths, swastah and the government, that will be able to intersects where we have to choose, yeah, can, to the right? And if in the because of the same thing, because of the intersacisting, like,

because of the other people, the business, he's not want to be sure, when he's deadlocked in, that's got down, because you're no choice. Yeah, and you have no choice. Yeah, because of the boundaries business is so that's just,

he can control ecotourism also, he controlled the other, control the other, back, to the other, to the end up to the world, where the swastah, more powerful than the government. Oh, it's been a new thing,

in context bits and bytes, it's been a bit, they're pretty much nation-states. Yeah, back again. No, no say to be name, but they can control the perilaku of people because we're looking at phone six-jams a day.

Yeah. With system governance that like that, It's not really... Yeah, it's been a good. Yeah, right? Democracy in some of the different countries by technology, or the technology.

And not cututup of the things that's more for the importance of biodiversity that, it's also. That's how that, that? I just true look,

look, maybe, the data from the can be partanguecked or can be partanguptan. Or, I'm part-termism. Long-termism.

Sorry, that. No, that's not all right, but I'm not about. I'm also, if you're talking about the other, you can look it's like... Because if this if it's from out,

like it's, they're going to be a important to the community not as much on, that's the logica, yeah. Yeah, logica is.

But kind of, kind of not lohish, how things that's happening that's actually. Yeah, that's really, like, Indonesia, like, was it was a basis of cooperation. I think it's like, like, like,

maybe, not, that's one of a certain that, where, that, can't just be participation and, and, so,

not like, not too binary, like the swatho or the government. But I'm thinking, I'm thinking, risk daur-ulang data in swasta, it's more better than the risk of theur-ulang politic, cyclos five-tawn. Because politics, to, the, at-ugue-ugue-n-chutin the

people, so long, for five-tawn to-de-pan, we can be aware, like, that's right for us. From the... Not even politicians

...notice, what, what, yeah, rewine, or unwind, or with what, from what, the policy that's... ...that's the strategist that, it's just like we're the power by the country, like, we're like that, Bummi, and the Keklaken, and the other,

it's by the other, it's by the other, it's in the country and, like, like that, the end-un-to-do-like, and that's what I'm not, right. I'm not, I'm not. I'm not.

I'm not, that's not. But if you're thinking, this is a long. Yeah, if it's a long, yeah, it's not a power. Yeah. But if, if this is not a case,

it's not so much promising in the world, and resources there are in our resources there, not here, the end-un-un-un-in-you-to-the-soasta. Yeah. This is, if I've got some of the book,

there are some of the other in context artificial intelligence. Yep. The other countries that are not that's about the majoran of the other that's about the world, it's like to new-sul, not the route artificial intelligence,

but the route synthetic biology. Attae it. Yeah. Yeah. This genomics, this is very important, Now, this is that I'm that's hacking. Yeah, right? Biohacking.

Now, hacking cyber just has been biot-to-becered be hacked. Now, that, it's, it's, it, it, is, more than it's more. Yeah, right? Now, that's... Now, this we're a little bit, in Indonesia, in 2004, 5.

Yeah, if you're gaiol, while they're goutre can't even if you're inundasia, IQ's going to be up, the human's like what, the indom can like what, the mutton can't, yeah, can,

all can make basketball, like Michael Jordan or LeBron James, or whatever, and then, if I, if I, I'm, geopolitical equity that I

askirational, what I'm, economic equity that I'm asking, if I'm not, if I'm not, political equity that we aspirations in, is, why, is, not can't win world championship in the soccer

ball? Mesa'a, not can't win 10 Nobel. Yeah. Mesa, not be to space station. What'sa, not can't, whatever, then, why can't be dum-dutisasi the world?

Yeah, right, we're just as how people Indonesia, to be known as, not only the people who creative, but but but it's, and athletic, and whatever like we look at the people Korea, we're looking at the people India

we're seeing people Japan, mainland Chinese, Israel, and other and other. That's from the artificial intelligence, or bits and bites, from the genetics, there's there, there's, there,

that can be able, in the basis wadjar, yeah, without co-optation the long-lanking, or to be able to be able to be that, it's kind of to be it, but not impossible, though. Not impossible, like, I'm going to say two things.

The first, in the time, if you're in singularity, can't be synthesed and things, what's the wrong, that's natural and be a good way, because the other, the endrope is high, or the other,

people are going to want to be able to be purgowned to be able to turn, like, that's one, no, no, no, there's a small, and,

then, the other, if we're level, where, the singularity, AI, that's the samegues, genomic, store data, then the power is in the that diversity of the most of the most

we have to keep-matian we have to keep in the reasonable action from now, we have we're making. If we're not looking, not lucid, that's not like that. But back to the question, back to the other. The other one didan-in, you?

You know, you're all right? Yeah, right? Who who's who's in so not tercoctation, I'm like to talk about the world of finance, like, is it can't get money, only basis to make what we have now, as a country, like,

like, if we're pitching ideas, business, and so all the other like that, we're valuations from potentials, from target marketer and, and, like, maybe, not, the country is, it's from potentials now? So, with genetic diversity, with potential by economy so big, then we predicts the economy,

economic, economic, will be so great this, and then, then we'll take it or how much. Okay, like, that's traditional, that's what we're now,

is the path to profitability and scalability. You know this. Yeah, but if I see, see, it's more saderana, narrations.

Yeah, right? to execute. You have both. You've got to know what you're pretty good at it. And I think you're pretty good at it. Then you're just taking executions just you've got cuop, cuop, and there's not scientists who can execucusy. You have the prasarana that.

Now, it's just in scale up just. Now, now, this, the most, this, Because there will be a point, where you have to outsource, because of the kind of the kind of a factual. It's factual. That's, I'm always,

I'm advocating for us to more to be able to getterbukaan to come from the out as long we have a need of the need of and that, and that, for our mainstic, If you're not only okay, we're getting talenta from out.

Yeah, right? Now, if you can narrate it's about you can't make upaickegee. It's a cinch. It's not soo'n't to get money. Yeah, can? Just to try one other who's with your story.

And you've found one already. And he's also, the garingan's also, It's more-bysa. She can't gop-cobes. It's okay, this is it can be pegang. Just who I'll see, in the depot-up, if you've got scaled up, you know, in board meeting,

okay, the money has to dow-ulang, in time X-Town. Now, that will be a conflict, because you want to come here, I'm going to go, this, this, this, The United States,

the other than 50 to 100 years, but they have to dow-during the money, dow-lusts, it will be a conflict. Conflict of the important, it's not that it's not that it's done it's done

in the other this is one of the risk that's a risk that's that's been mapping, because we're diversification business, so that's, So that's every momentum,

that's the goal that is how we make diversity index that can be used in any way to keep the importance of Indonesia, but can have some of the sumber danae, so, we're going to beautee, that's the per-grapherakal more quickly. So we're going to be diagnostic kit, because the years of pandemic will be more,

and more, so it's still there. So, so strategy that is diversification, We're mutterin the money, so that's from royalty, or that's from, from, B2C, so that we're just to have, what, yeah, to get to the nulia,

to the end of the end of the end of the end up. That's what we're doing now. No, no, I like, um, the, you're, to, to, to, to, ender reductionism, yeah, right?

And, that, I, I'm, I, too, But if, I think, this is many people in Indonesia, and, especially in the government, to know,

the importance of to make making to make up about biodiversity and our own to be able to live more and our

our own to be able to be able to that's another milestone. Yeah. And it's maybe is pull-and-s-one-a-dolars

dollars, in-er-so-and-a-lis-mil-a-lare if we take take up 20, 30, 30 to the time in the context PDB that's $1.1 trillion, peanuts. If we can be able to be big, and far, and I'm going to see, until 2045, GDP our GDP our $10 trillion, GDP per capita, we've got to be $32,000,

yeah, for this g-doveting this, so, must it's okay, it's be partangu-jewapen. And this can't only to look-upor, but acuant for the world. Yeah, right. I think that's cool. That's really cool. Yeah, and we also

am making to sit and we're very aware that that's really that's just the greek-mastaract, but more to policy-making it's and everything. So, if it's if you have a viscous' vision like to see that's like to 660 degrees, that's to many people. That's what we're doing today,

and we're doing today. And we're also aware, because in New Southamix here, talent now, is more people who are scientists. Which is good. But I also look if the communication it will be more effective if people are people who are people who are people who are more powerful.

Because, to get more than people, who's more powerful, What's more powerful is, if if you're like, like, like, like,

uh, , maybe, there's exhibition modern art, that's about entropy and diversity, paradoxing how much, like that,

that's what we're trying, because narrations, there's already there, talent's, but we're really

A science translator that's smooth, that's mind-provoking, that's what we're really trying to see right. Yeah, at the end-ugging is how, so that's cool, in the matter of the world, yeah, right? Again, how people Indonesia can be known as a person who is being who's not only creative, but also, pinter. Like, aspirations, sump, pomew,

before, but more than the people have there's a lot of the other than he has been, because he has been able to. Yeah, and we're not going to beaughed from the biodiversity and stuff. Yeah. We're in the water number one, the war is the one,

the same they're in the backer, we're going to, but we're going to be think of panang. Yeah. Don't be able to get-tebring with short-termism. Right, right.

will be making you're pussing, sicking. Yeah, right? So, it's just been thinking about. Now, we're now, we're just panang, this, this, planet, now, is 4.5 million years. And, simple life form,

that's from 3.7 million years, but, many of not know that that, So that's 2.5 million, since 3.7 million years ago, that reproductions is clonal. Yeah, right?

So he's not need to be in time. Just out of the world just, it's just, so, the, reproductions. Now, since 1.2 million years ago, it's not-clonal. Evolution, that. He, so, it, has it's got to meet with the mothuc of other, organism, and bacteria, and other.

And then, evolution is more than we've got revolutions cognitive, kind, of 70,000 years in the last. And Indonesia, if I think I, to, in the context of revolution cognitive,

because Indonesia, there's been a letupan that's an overbiasa. It's about 75,000 years I think that's there's correlations between the situation in Indonesia 75,000 years

along, with revolution cognitive. It's a lot of 75,000,000 years in the evolution manusia in the men-nugue penempurna

we can't be perparen like, like, great, great, great, we're really,

that's really cool-cirre. It's great, so I'm, eh, the people of Indonesia, that's the hypothesis, that's there's a correlation or a revolution of cognitive revolution or revolution of cognitive, the topa,

75,000 years than 70,000 years that's a part of the evolution humanity that's But that's still now, Indonesia has to be be able to be a big role but for we can be a big role

to hindering entropy to do you to the imperfect we have to mapping. And you are playing a big role in context

mapping that and it's and it needs and the doit is This is this is from where, in-manyl. Yeah, can? There's other than the other?

On the genomics? I'm, I'm sure, from the data research of the government, I'm really, what, yeah? I'm really, momentum, this, really, momentum, COVID, that, don't get let's be left-can, because in the momentum of COVID-in-in-you-

There's very there's a lot of the right of the time, that's about, that's one of the same, to make wudetka, so that pandemic this is behind. And then, I'm looking

also, like, like, we're reset, like, sentiment in social media about COVID-in-pictive or negative. Only Indonesia and Malaysia who's,

even the event this, actually, more than 50% people, people, there's, So we can't get to reset, so re-reset, right.

Because, because of COVID-in, not sengal so-gated to reset. We're getting to get out, we're getting more than the people who are so powerful it out, we're getting more than what the name of the other, we're just being more critical

so, so what, and so all of all of people, people, people, just get to be part of biotech, but before I'm not-gertie what it.

And from the online like this, what, what's like, so people, asal get access that's the same, they can get access from gurus, because if you're coming up,

online, one guru, can be looked many people. So, this, really, momentum that's to make a propaganda positive as a moment awakening,

like, like, like, like, COVID, this, like, so, like, from from from, right, yeah, from from from from from from mong.

Ben, really, like, this, this, so if you've got to be able to be planning in, like, oh, 2020, resett's for this, 2021, this, and, and, and, again,

to make that's really relevant, during COVID this, is, after this, oh, we're, there's a

different, and, so I'm going to see, the, And I'm also in the same-sumptuang in the sub-sumption, one of the samegiosis and the swasas and the people,

like, lookit-martin, I'm really, I'm really, really, really, really, very-bearderap, and I'm actually that's a good idea, I'm going to be a good idea, because the vibes now, and now, you know, you know,

you know, the, doit, too, in the world, yeah, right? But but the money is to be called for the fiduciary, right? What is it that it, it's, it's, it's, right?

And they're being bingong, what's it's to puttapot-in-where-and, and, for some-tara, just to me look at the countries and the major-majews. Just to see, the many of the money has been mobilization for the importance of technology that disruptive. Yeah.

Right? Now, you're in technology, which is to recayasah, something to beaicay can't and good-beyeakhan. Just how can't get into the pipa-negey-a-necunned-a-oh-a-u-a-u-could-a-a-certain-a-a-clican-a-a-cue. Exactly. And at the ujum pipa-nia,

this, succour-sut with you, have the importance of you, or we all. And that's not an impossibility. Yeah, can? You know, you just have to acture just how you know, cuap-cub-crap-cna, and you have to up with people who have money. Now, again, who have the money is here is the

government. But if in swastah, it's out, not in the down. Because we're going to the scale of the great, this. Four billion U.S. 60 trillion, million. And that's for mapping just. But if beyond mapping,

to make up to make up, wow, that's more than more than that's more than that. That's the duet and liquidity that's in the world is, around $100 trillion. But the majority of $100 trillion this is be called by managers who have fiduciary responsibility. Now, you have to be a lot of managers. many of managers,

so that's up to one or two that cana just with thesis you or narrations of your, okay, you know. Thank you, sir, I'm sorry, so I'm just like, I'm just, I'm enjoying, because it's really, it's really,

and, also, encouraging, because, yeah. I'm enjoying it too. Yeah. Right. Right. Maybe if, if the diversity in Indonesia is as strategic, it's the time of the boundaries of thinking, it's,

it's still just the local, regional, versus government, but, yeah, it can be able to be global. I'm going to end with some questions, rapid fire, can be it's about, I'm-gap-lars, this is a-harm, want to buy or not. But I can ask,

what's in 2004-5, that utopia that you've been for Indonesia, is what is it? Utopia, yeah, like wakia, like wakana, like, kind of, like, nature's there,

it's, stills, but it's more than natural-buttal-it, but it's also, that's cool, that's cool. Yeah, because, because, yeah, this, you know, for real-hurturt, yeah, to be able to beaille, I'm really, narrator that's really

storytelling is really, that's really, and it's really, and it's really, it's really, kind of, yeah, phenomena, entropy and diversity, So like, man, the technology is just go,

who's lecler, the Iron Man, and, and so like that. Like that, he knew how control and everything, and then, then, and then, there's a lot of people, and then, there's been a lot of power, and then, the, then, the titic like that, uh,

titic like, um, to learn to, like, wisdom. Yeah. Yeah. There, there, there, there, wakanda, and,

like that. I'm like that's all right. If you're even though. If you're still in the world. Yeah. But it's... But even, but it's not. Yeah.

D-hmannabundas, like, Wakanda, it's, really, it's, that's the kind of, yeah, the United. I'm, you know, like, you know, utopian that, Wakanda, dystopian,

it's, asgard, not even just, just the other, just the other. Distopia's, Yeah,

dystopian's, Utopian is that Wakanda. Because there, nature is there, there's nature there's there, there's there's like, the raja-raja-dululunia, and, and, like, they're, they're,

they've, they've, and they also have, posse, what, the, that's, too,

to help to help the stability of the world, that's utopian. If, dystopian, because of asgard, if we're just back

with perdebatan political about the pastal last where the pasting this, this, this, this, and end-deme, end-dend-nd-end-end-end-and-and-a, and then-rusha-send-and-a-ruxed. Okay, the question the three,

because two, have been the answer. Synthetic biology, net positive or net negative? For Indonesia? Sintesis biologiness, biologiness, I mean the process

to make sense of biologian or resource for... Yeah. ...pengunaing synthesis, in context biologi, to make upurbiqs? To make sure genetics? Net positive or net negative? For India, yeah, pa, yeah, pa, yeah? 2004, in, I think, net negative.

Because... Why? Because in the year, um, what, yeah? that in 2004, if I, I'm about about about apache and if I'm about what's about, the point where singularity maybe could be,

they're, they can unlock their full potentials, right? Now, why I said net negative? Because, from the other, we've, we're from, we're from, We're all right now,

we're genetically diverse, like, to the other, people are more than, like, not have Jawa, and Sumatra with Sumatra, can,

make sure, that's coming from, and again, so, so it's just so much if we're we're going to

change our different we're going to the full potential we're so, so, because of the people in Indonesia is very diverse. But, but wait, but it's still to be challenged,

so as a can't heterogeneity is wrong. Sedanghanismanity is right. Ah, I mean? Homogeneous. Yeah. It's more than heterogeneous. For us, I'm more than heterogeneous. Okay.

We've got heterogeneous. Yes. So, it's okay, don't. Because we've... With synthetic biology, it's... so much more than heterogeneity? Justru, point is,

synthetic biology, that's the first time that's from the race, in the world, where, um, what, yeah, from the evolution, it's,

uh, at the titic a heart, if not, if not, if not, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, he can't be intervenes, he can't be, If it's not in intervention, he can't live, and so that's like,

he's been a part of, he has, what, the genetic is, the other, so that he can't be able to keep, but the case in Indonesia, the casus that we're

with, each people will unique, genetic that's going to diverse, why we have to edit genetic we at that, right,

why not we're not we're using singularity AI and for some of the other, we can't like this, we can this, we can this, we're going to be like this. Because... You're already in the Javartheon of the other than

singularity. So you're looking at the year 2005, singularity is going to be net positive from synthetic biology. Yeah, for Indonesia. So it's so it's a lot if we don't have AI for biodiversity. Okay.

Okay, the last, how we can mass produce scientist in Indonesia. It's from, from from from from from from from from from from from from the world, if the pola, what, yeah, the pola of what you're going to say, it's right, that's, that,

that, I'm just, that, so, I know. So, like, like, like, like, like, How, how many of the bigot,

not did diddick, not be able to be able to. Now, I'm seeing, and literature that's also about, if everyone is, they're born with curiosity. Like, a boy, it's like, he's going to put in, he's going to come,

but the the other, the way that's like the other is like the other than, and what I'm having, like, curiosity, critical window is, the lawyre than that, to go explore, this, this, this, do,

that's not tarot-all-do-do-do-do, that's notar-l-er-beck-old. Even the birthsum of nine years. Yeah. Yeah, but if you're coming, that's more than, I'm like, in German, like,

like, in the Mettode kindergarten that, you know, just, it's just to look just just to look just look oh, he's just like, like, what, yeah, like, like, oh, this, why whyan you were the wayne?

Then, you know, there's a word of this, this, this, so, so, the curriculum is justro, de-bebasin, but the facilities is, this, that is, I'm not a rata. Now, I'm not, not the money, they have access to that, they can buy a manor-mahal and so all kinds of like that. But if we come here,

if we're going to, um, uh, the Pembinaan per-secolah, for Indonesia, it's not there's like that. And I really, and I see, if there's not there's not even if you're from, the other people that's from,

there's not there's a reason because genetic that's so that's just randomness, how we can nurture so that natural potential potentials out, so. So,

to make a science scientist is we, we can't even maybe the intervency. Maybe, maybe, from the people of millennials who've who've been who've been,

that's what's, he's not even when they're aware, how the story of it, that's. So, from the money to beawn, to make money to make money, oh, out of the program, part-uporan, to here, in the usia, where curiosity's,

it's not been not to be better better than this, maybe, that's the same thing, that. Wow. Yeah, sir. Yeah, sir. Thank you, thank you, and don't bosom-bas-en.

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