Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Stop Mengotak-ngotakkan Musisi | #Endgame ft. Stephanie Poetri (Part 3)

Episode Date: September 13, 2020

Kehadiran Stephanie patut dirayakan tidak hanya karena dia orang Indonesia, tapi juga karena bakatnya yang luar biasa. Dia juga adalah representasi masa depan industri hiburan dunia yang berani mendobrak berbagai paradigma lama, terbuka akan keragaman dan peka terhadap isu-isu sosial seperti bullying dan perubahan iklim.

I feel like even the soundtrack for what we'll tell what? We'll tell you what about it. I'll tell you in the English. This is Endgame. Okay, we've talked about five years into the future. How about 10 to 15 years into the future? Oh.

How old will I mean? Would you have finished college by then? I think so. Even if it's just like an online degree. Yeah. Because I'm definitely. interested in that right now. Not sure.

I guess I see more of not me personally, but the industry. I see so much more diversity and so much more support provided to people everywhere in Indonesia. Because right now I still feel like, you know, even though there's social media, but people still give all of their support and opportunities to be in Jakarta. If you want to go big, you have to go to Jakarta. I feel like in the future You got to break that down. Everyone.

Yeah, I mean, you can be anywhere in Asia. You're going to be able to orbit yourself. For sure. I think it's also... So you want to do something in that space? Yeah. In 10 years' time. Hopefully.

After you get your master's or PhD or... Oh, my gosh. I'm like, I'm good with a bachelor. And what do you think of getting your degree in? I think I would like... like to try music production because, you know, I did half a course. I mean, you already have a master's in music production. I mean, you just got to validate or formalize it.

Like ask for validation. But, hey, I don't know anything about the music theory. So I'll have to learn that. It'll be a cinch for you because it'll just click, hey, this is what I used to do five years ago. It's true. I don't know. We'll see. It's definitely, it would be like a dream come true.

I guess right now it's just understanding where it will fit in in my timeline. Okay, you've talked about how you want to enable people from all over Indonesia to basically rise up to the occasion, right? What are maybe two things that you think are problematic with Indonesia that you think you can fix in the next 20 to 25 years from your, your perspective, right? I mean, assuming that you're on to this trajectory, right, exponentially, let's say. And then you get to a certain point, you can mobilize lots of people, right?

And the ability to mobilize people, it's not long to know long, people. What are some of the issues that you think are relevant to Indonesia that you want to fix? Yeah. I think, well, one is like we mentioned, you know, how labels tend to really like force you to be a certain vibe. Do that make sense? I think I see a lot of people the most creative ones and the most genuine ones.

And even though they might not be, you know, number one or something, but they have a loyal following and are happy with what they're doing and they won't rebel. I think, you know, labels should start letting people make their own path. Obviously, you know, I understand labels need to make money. And so I think just find a better way to balance that. And I think the second part is how age is very, like, taboo. Like, people want you at a certain age in Indonesia. And it sucks because I see people like my mom, and I see people like Krustana and Meliguz.

They're so talented. And it's like they have amazing songs. But everyone's so focused on the younger generation, not realizing that, no matter what age you are, you're amazing, like, music is music and talent is talent. And I think, I mean, I remember when I was 16, people are like, oh, you're at the perfect age to start doing this. And I'm like, there's really no perfect age, you know. I can't see why they box you. Yeah, I agree.

Stuff like that. I feel like, I just feel people would give opportunities to, like, listening to music that, you know, aren't just made by people your age. Yeah. I feel like, you know, the same way a lot of older people listen to younger people's music, you should also listen to older people's music. And in a way, I don't think, I think it should be less about, you know, like this image and more about the music and the talent and the meaning and the background, you know. I think that'll go away over time.

You think so? The way people get put in a box or in a certain category, right? I think it will be a lot more ageless going forward. And I do think labels will actually get democratized, meaning I foresee a future where you may not have to attach yourself to a label. Like a label or like a genre? A genre. I think, yeah, I think that's possible in the future

where you don't have to attach yourself to a particular name of a label. as long as you have a pretty damn good product, you can just put that in a pipe. And that pipe could be a YouTube, Spotify, or whatever. For sure. And I feel like even with now, like you see people like Billy Eilish. And five years ago, her music would not be concerned pop, but it now is. Yeah. Which, but it's also funny because, you know, what we used to see is like if one person, like a hip-hop,

now hip-hop is pop. Yeah. But now it's like anything is pop as long as it's popular, which is basically the meaning of pop, right? And so I hope that will reach Indonesia soon in the sense that people won't make pop for the sake of making it popular and instead make songs that they like. You know, I feel like even for the soundtrack for what? What? What kind of? Nant-a-jit-jit-a-tri-I-N-Tri-I'm.

It's like, it's not, you wouldn't say it's completely pop, right? But it's like, like five years ago. pop could be something else. Yeah. I think pop is a much more universal category. Yeah, that's true. But I mean, like five years ago, it wouldn't be. You could even have jazz within the pop category.

Depends on how you fuse it, right? So true. You like jazz? Oh. Sorry. It's coming from an old man. I mean, it's, it's, here's the thing. It's like, I do like jazz influence, but it's really hard for me to say yes

because the closest thing I've gotten to jazz, is like watching Indra Leswana and Kaifa, you know, play in their, they used to have like a jazz. They're on a different planet, man, when they're so cool, it's crazy. But yeah, that's like, I remember watching them and being like, what is this, what's going on? But for me, that was like my experience with jazz. And so I'm not too... But, after, in Chicago, it's a fusion of jazz and rap. What?

Yeah, it's wicked. It sounds really cool. I don't recall the names of the musicians, but I was listening to them, courtesy of my son who played them for me. It's just like, whoa. I mean, you would assume people would have done that way long, way before. Yeah, but it's bad. Yeah, yeah. It's so, anyway, I think you might run into it at some point.

I might check it out when I go home. Okay. I was hoping that I was going to hear you mentioned stuff like the environment. That could be problematic. Do you care about stuff like that? I definitely do. Does it scare you? It definitely does.

That the ice is melting? Yeah. The thing is for me, it's hard to, it's hard. It's a hard topic to try to focus on because you also have to understand, like, you telling a lot, like, all your fans, right? You know, try to go vegan, try to do this and this and this. You know, most of the things that are happening are because of big corporates. And so it's like, to what extent can I tell my fans to do it? But I guess there's a lot of things that have been happening that have been, you know, amazing, like how a lot of people have been using, you know, non-plastic straws.

And I feel like it's those little things that will start creating changes. And what I would like to say is, you know, these big businesses that do these things, they follow what the, you know, what the buyers want, right? And so as a buyer, you need to show what you want. And, you know, business will follow, you know, what they want as long as you're very adamant about it. Okay, so the customers will push. Yes, customers. Right.

Yeah. You think fast enough to push? It's like, I want to be. It might be too late. By the time the producers get pushed, hard enough by the customers, there's not enough ice. That's true. Yeah. It's a really hard thing because when you start saying that it's too late, people start giving up.

Yeah. Right? So you have to find that balance of making sure people try their best because if you don't try it all, then we've already lost. Okay, I sense optimism, which is great. What about garbage, how people just throw things away? I think as long as there's more items that will reduce that. Like, I always use my tote bag when I go to the store and, you know, stuff like that. That will definitely help.

I think one way is to, when I was in LA, like, I don't eat red meat. So it's very easy. You're vegan. I eat fish, so I'm a pescatarian-ish. And it's very easy when I was in LA. And here it's very difficult. And I wish that it would be more easy. I know in Bali it is because my sister lives there, it's very easy for her.

She said, you know, we have vegan meat here. But here, I'm not there. So it's just so I wish it was, I mean, now, like, digging places that you can find, but I wish it was way more accessible because a lot of people are interested. And, you know, it still tastes good. I'm starting to eat more organic stuff nowadays.

I just think it's cleaner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you be down to, like, growing your own herbs? If I had time, yeah. But now, probably not. But in due time, I don't know. I might. You've just inspired me.

I remember my, I have a friend who's super into, like, this, the organic and healthy lifestyle. And she told me she bought these, like, packets of seeds. So it's like chia seeds and she had like kale seeds. Then she just planted it in her back garden. You can use this hydroponics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that.

You just put stuff on plastics and they grow vertically. You don't have to have a lot of acreage in the real estate. Which, you know, I feel like people would think, oh, but, you know, it's like one thing. But yeah, when you, like, when you, for example, need basil, you would go to the store. and get a plastic packaging, right? Right. You know, so it's that plastic. It's not the basal itself.

It's that packaging that you could reduce with. Reduce? I'm like, I don't know English. All right. So we've talked about how you want to be a producer and a producer and singer at the same time, how you want to help out, you know, the other musicians, you know, lift up.

And you've talked a little bit about the environment and all that. Anything else, do you think that matters that, that you may be able to participate in the story of fixing? Yeah, I think I really, you know... The reason why I keep pushing is because, you know, you're so darn popular, right? And it helps to be popular to bring about positive changes. I'm not trying to push you into a corner here,

but I think it helps to understand that, you know, you could do something if you wanted to do something about it. Yeah, I feel like a large part, large subject that I have always been interested in. That's why I got into psychology in the first place was to, you know, reduce, I wouldn't say bullying, but, you know, bad vibes between people, I guess. And I was just tweeting about this a couple of days ago. I was playing a game, and it was the first time I felt extremely, like, demeaned by, people I was playing with. And so I usually play with my friends, right, on games, but it was this like specific one way.

Game in happening. I don't want to say, but it's like a shooting game, you know, on your phone. And it was the first time I played with other people, like random people, which people do all the time. And for some reason, they were very inappropriate. And I felt it hurt because I was scared that it would have, you know, this is affecting me. And I don't enjoy the game anymore. But they get to go and continue and do that to other girls. And so it's creating this, like, toxic place for gaming for women. And so it's like, to what extent can I help? And it's like, but also what if it's just the culture? And it's really, it's hard, you know, because, you know, I'm not, my job isn't in the gaming industry. So I don't have that much effect. But at the same time, as a person who games, I wish I could do something about it. So maybe talking about this year would do something about it.

I'm sure lots of people were paying attention to what you said. Yeah, well, but we'll see. It's a, I guess I try to, you know, I read some of the replies and it was, some of them said, I used to have, you know, a very non-toxic and angry brother. And now because of gameplay and playing with random people, it gets very, you know, the behavior and the way they talk. And so it's like, how do we combat this? Because when people mentioned it, like mentioned it in social media, a lot of people, would say, but that's gaming culture, right?

And so it's like, how do we find the balance between making sure that we don't get rid of this culture where it's just fun banter, which I'm so done with like, it's having fun, right? Compared to, you know, being rude. Yeah. And I think it needs to be fixed going forward. Hey, anything else that we haven't covered that we should have. covered? I don't think I think you're very detailed.

Call me bro. Call me dude. I'm going to try to end this session with sort of a rapid, a set of rapid fire stuff. Okay. Questions or whatever, right? Have you ever had people ask it back to you? Sure. Okay, so if you ask me and then I ask how about you and you have to answer too, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's start with an easy one. Okay. Would you encourage people, to buy the stock of Stephanie Poetry? Oh. Isn't there? Yeah.

I don't know. Of course. Yes, I don't know. I would buy your stock. You would? Yeah. Well... I think you have a great future.

Isn't it scary, though, like to let people down? What if you let people down? No. I think it's going to net push you positively. Okay. That was an easy question. You just asked me. Okay.

Okay, if I say the environment, what would be the one word you want to answer back with? A community. How about you? I'd say keep it. Keep it. Keep the environment? Don't throw it. Right?

If I say the ocean. This is really bad. How would you answer? How would you answer? But the person that came to my mind was trash. Isn't that crazy? I would keep it. You would keep it.

I wouldn't throw it. I wouldn't waste it away. If I wouldn't want to waste it away, I would not throw waste into it. Right? For sure. What I hope is one day, because right now what we're trying to do is like decrease our, you know, the way we pollute the earth. I hope one day it would be like someone would find a way to literally get rid of the effect and do a rewind. You have like a machine.

Yeah. Exactly, you know. Instead of like, oh, we can't make this pass this to make plastic. If that's like just mengurangi, but we can't do anything about what's already been created. I actually like stuff like that, but it's just not scalable. I do too. Yeah, the scale with which people throw shit into the ocean, it's just not near as much as whatever you can do to clean it up.

Okay. music. Did you buy the stock? Yeah. The thing is like I don't know anything about stuff. I'm like giving a baby. You would be supportive, right? Yeah. Dude, I feel like Indonesia is like at a peak right now. Like you see how many talents are like coming out and getting recognition. And I feel like a large part of it is because our like super rich culture is affecting people's

creativity. That makes sense. Like all of kids from little, they've been in a way to play anglo-golintang, you, don't underestimate the possibility or even the fact

that your existence, along with Nikki and Rich, would actually be so inspirational exponentially to the future generation of Indonesian musicians who can actually internationalize. I swear, I swear, I think you're going to see some real game-changing trajectory. Sure hopes.

And I feel like it's true because I came after Brian and Nikki, and the fact that they inspired me means that they'll inspire other people and so forth. And there was people who inspire other people. Yeah, but, you know, some of us were thinking, like, we thought it was going to stop after Nikki, right? And came you. Hello.

I think the rate at which, you know, Indonesia, musicians are going to pop in a really good way will accelerate. Yeah, for sure. And what I do hope is that after a while, the language will come, you know, the same way that like Spanish, like, you know, Latin music is big. I hope that one day, and like, K-pop, that, like, the Bahas, Indonesia can be, like, the song Latif has, has, like, Japanese lyrics, right? And so that's, I feel like that's super cool because after a while, you know, you're also introducing the language. Yeah. You know, the other day we're talking with somebody I was interviewing about gamalan, which has been in existence for, God knows, a thousand years or more.

And that's pretty darn original of Indonesian music, right? And I think we've got to do something about it. If K-pop is up there, no reason for Indonesian pop. For sure. I mean, the funny thing is Gamelan, in almost every tropical hit song in 2016, it has Gamelan sound in it. And people don't even know it. It's like, oh, Gamelin Indonesia, they just see it as an instrument in their pack, you know. And I remember it was my Garmalans for a hollintang that you can hear in these, you know, top 40 hits that are big everywhere.

So, you know, I think we need to tap into that. All right, one last one. If you had a chance in your lifetime to do a duet with, right? Beyonce or Ed Sharon? Oh, you can ask me that. I got to make it hard. I think I would, oh, that's really difficult because I know it's difficult. I listen to both of their albums all the time.

They're both like gods or real music gods. I think I would. go with Beyonce, which is very shocking I bet. But it's definitely because the cultural impact she has of up bringing, you know, pride and like culture is, I feel like is amazing. And I feel like to be able to meet someone with so much positive, you know, would be cool. But I'm a veteran want to like, do, you know, do it with me too. Cool. Kama Beyonce, she speaks on non-musical issues.

Yeah, which is really important. Yeah. Someone of her scale, being able to use her platform for such an important cause is really cool. So I think it's like such an inspiration. You know, right there it tells you a lot about you. Where are you going to end up? Because I love Beyonce. You're going to do alright.

Thank you. Well, we'll see. Well, we'll see. Maybe I'll play badminton in LA and then I'll see. I'll take you to meet up with some of the great badminton players. Okay. I'll have to... No, just chill. You know, it's going to be easy.

Then I will, like, show off to all of my badminton teammates. Especially my teacher, I remember. He was like, so... He was like, watch this. This is how you learn. Hey, Stephanie. Manet, it's been great, man. Thank you, bro.

Thank you so much. Thank you. You know, you probably haven't spoken. this much or this long with anybody. I'm very sensitive to not wanting to push you. No, but I feel like, you know, like I said, I work great under pressure, and you found the right balance where you'll make me comfortable, but you also make me not be so basic.

All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. TEMAN, that's Mennie or Stephanie Poetry, our team that's very bigot, and we'd want to give inspiration for us all. Thanks. This is Endgame.