Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Sudirman Said: Bencana dan Revolusi Era Baru

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

Pendidikan, kepemimpinan, dan energi. Tiga bahan dasar nation-building dari kacamata Sudirman Said.Gita dan Sudirman juga mengajak kita untuk merefleksikan kembali bencana tsunami Aceh 2004 serta upaya-upaya cepat tanggap kala itu, agar kita bisa memetik pelajarannya hari ini.-----------------Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:https://books.endgame.id--------------------------------------Sudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini:  / what-it-takes  

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Well, time time I'm Degasai, Sudhirman Saeed, as a rector university hard of the country, aslacur, Mr. Dhrman, thank you very. Ms. Githmet,

Mr. Ms. Gertitaine, de, ma'am, in the U.N.N.S. Tell you, ma'amins. Tellanan, ma'clock, from, from be e'clock, from, how, how that? I'm sure to be able to

I'm a little bit more than a bused, because of the city-bors, kind of about 20-kilo-ah-a-man, to come-asook to campung. And, we're at a little bit more than survive as a lot, because, because of the father, my father of my age of my seven-tawn, then, then-and-and-and-and-a-a-ma'am-a-maq. I'm the wife, the sister-dud of the Bapa, who's the first one, waffat, then-men-in-niqued with her.

So, we're really, but-luggle, and survival-nia, it's... ...dattang from one group of the other than-in-the-clawfuler of the other, since the people-diam-d-degher, yeah. And, from-n-gang-er, you, you, belajure, learn to beauched in some of the sameang,

I'm going to Kempark, it's very hard. Asso, how when I'm going to sleep, if you're going to let, it's iram with air, and all right, so yeah, so, there's a lot of it's

that, you're going to make, uh, what, uh, or, uh, upaia, because if, if, if,

if, if, if you're not that, yeah, not that's not people, that's not even if you're not even survive. That's what

from the middle S&P, even S&A, even to if I'm if I'm not school in a nas named Stann,

maybe not can't school again, too. Also, numpang in one one of

the, Named, Captain Sudarno, police, idealist, Mantan Chakrabirawa, Rummere in the roomia, I'm at the back,

the apartment in the backer of the way of the way of course. Now, I'm going to be able to beaq the other, so I'm taking up, so I'm going to be in a colong, but, but, but, al-Dah, allah, allah, allah, allah, all the journey that we're going to bea-lewati, and, beacat penidican,

And, what, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's a lot of the world. Alamadilah, it's something that's very sured-law. The puttussan to doorking from who? I, I don't know, Stan, but more about to be able to bea sound, the sound of aria,

there's an odor-kered by one of the son-sodara-a-older-older-older-old. in the desa, in the world of the world, the world is the part of the bottom. Selamma the pediguanian didn't be hungut biaya, that's... That's the phrase. We're going to be able to do. We're going to do.

We're not going to do, but... We're going to know, after we're going to be able to. That's true. Tereight, it was a big guy who are in the country, yeah, I've done the government of... as auditor BPKP. I'mpire 8,

and then after 9 years, get to get to school again. Now, when I'm going to slung school, that, I'm going to make make sure,

I'm going to campus, so, for simple reason, uh, there's idealisman, yeah, I'm going to bea-upes, but

when I'm going to bea-pac-a-pahed, with bea-dhaeat, and everything, banserick, so much, it's like, if it's not too much, if it's not really good, so long as you're doing good,

so much, sore-day-day-n-a-day-nay-nard-nay-nation-a-lare-nation, or, or, to be, or, or, to be a consultant part-time, that's all-time. That's... That's... Make us survive,

until, now, and dilathing when they're in the Degasible it, got to get a time of the time, Tugas Lain, can't,

Rue Roses. I've been like to Dittlete executive I'm in Indonesia for four years long. Then, then,

and, M., to come to Pindat, termasup at the time Bantuoro in Aceh,

too, because I'm because I'm, because, And, and sometimes to Swasa also. Now, because of the Uphabas, we're going to be able, the banked up, but there's a lot of money, I'm going to be. Tabungan abysvah, there.

That's a while to recover. Barising utang, or nabung a little, so, that's a bit more, a lot of long. There's a call on again, there's a lot of, you know, to the government, that. Kere, maybe that's about that. Maybe I'menang Tomonk,

Dulu. Dooloo, in Acheh, too, is tragic, right? That's how, the controlance? Yeah. Yeah.

Acea, when that's all right, quite complex, yeah. Kehanjuran because of the but also social fabric

can ancour-nour-n-cour-an-cura because conflict per 10 years. So, trust level is that under the matter between the people.

Now, Puntoro has been able the task or the same that's the good. The good is,

the time the leadership from the public, hadir, didandai with the turn

longu of SPI and Pachika in the lapangangue operation awal, then operation

the President the President the President as a serious, that's about the military, so when I'm going to be able to beards, so, there's one of the United States.

Even if we're going to be able to be able to be able to do that. Even if we're going to talk about talk to Aca about that, it's up to be able to be able to be around Jawa, so. So, the is italying that, can be it, can be it.

Yeah, I think, yeah. What's that? What I'm going to do. not that's in hindsight, right? So, but also. So it's a number of intuition, and Brenel, also, getulusan, Panko, yeah.

And before we go to the April, that's, I did doggas in part, that's in fact, Gondoro, that's, we're in front of, Missa, Kewa, Kewa, Kareboh, in there, they're, there, they're,

Tocockegaman, did't. Tutsu'an, that we're going to be A.C., and moan, and support, because of the time.

Because at the time, you're trying to tendis, menude to put a mediation. Now, pertumannes to ruponement for

their, that they're just bachacharach, they're just about in the thinkeran the first.

So, Pankorro, um, what, yeah, made, um, the state goals

that's very and very very rumid, and, I think I'm going to go out of course. I'm going to bea-man-merews. The day first I'd come to Acei, then we'd be a diarrae

in macam, corban, then, to go to the medit, a little, solat, pahatul-Mesit, like, to be hushmati,

we're going to beckxit. We're to, Location in Ulele, in a lot of the Ulele, that's a lot of the after the last Discusesingan then, be there you know,

called on the time, he said, he said, as far as far as, you, and I'll look the whole thing. Hanyahs

that's not Mampubleat curusackan so this this. And because that, he said,

Belio, only Tuhan can be able that's that's not normal. And the other than the other than the other than to do you do not even think that's not even think about project,

about corruption, about yolong, and all that. Some people, we're not... We're not... ...that we're not... ...that's...

...and, ...bagued say, to be a value statement a one of the people... that's the againg when it's the time in the the same 4 years ago, PRRRBegger, melanchoey target from what they beaunged

and by the lembaga, the members international, the Puging as one of the best reconstruction agency after tsunami 2004, including by UN, UN UN also made that's about. So that's also,

um, that's also about uh, uh, include in the name-necrucrastructure that, uh, what can beaughan

scenario to cause, many, many, participation international to know-nolong and allan yeah.

Yeah. But, yeah, I'm not, the media, right, and when it was quite the media mainstream, it's very much so if we're playing CNN,

look TV TV international, media, media, it's already the media that's the media but I think the magnet is what we call

a credible leadership. Terus right if it was that, if we're not a genis Magun Toro. We're not

medawakable. If you know, if you're not a lot of seattle-dating, track record that's very good, not have been used in the pastalalue. And, communication that's

really, what, what, what, that's right, that's, that's not in the time,

from the time, the time, World Bank, UN, international Red Cross, to M.C., it's, absolutely,

that's it's right, let's commit, that's in the lapangangang. But, in the atas, it's also, two people, two combinations that's more than, visuant,

and one other, people, PRAQA, is kind of, who, can't be, times, three lapis, that,

it's, not, it's... Not gamping, too. It's, it's just too, slug, too,

luck, so much, But maybe the process communication it's very much and it's not, and executioninginging the same. I remember.

I remember the way to vote that. It's, maybe because the situation is very not the same year, so much

the engineer the best, not to find the al-socialer but, but they're the person that when they're

not going to be notar. Yeah, I'm going to be able to. Wow. Maybe because of the people who's about. Right. Right.

Right. And it was to be able to make sure that's the same thing that's quite solid. Because that's up to end, there's, almost there's, to be able to do that. I'm going to be haggarder a littlean

because I got a part of the time the time, Tartou, did it, theang Lime. This is, Pang. This is, Pank. This is, Pank. This is, Pank L'an.

who's gototot to make sure that'shing to help them. Because they were saying, because they're going to be able to be a lot of the court of them as well. And because we're going, we're just going, we're just going, to let's go to come into, to come up. Tollindook from America, etc., so much.

So, I think, when that When that, landscape leadership, that's the same. That's the same. That's what I'm going to be able to beapeut, the time. Onesculpt on 10 January 2005, did look can't, the name of tsunami summit in Jakarta

who's the second PPP with P. Then, the conan that's the same person of the city of Singapore. And in Singapore, in the United States, so that's about the same amount of people who had been, the day that's about $5 billion, US. From the $10,000,000, and the end up until the 3rd 3, from support international,

which 1 per 3, APBN, more than the, anguroping, that's. What is the way? What is more than, Patcuntor, as a manpower, as a tasan and the people as well as well as well as well as yeah.

Firstama, maybe in front of them, they're under the entire of them, so that when I'm going to negotiate on the format badan that, Mr. Gondoro, with Nentang, I need this, this, this, this. I need this, this. I need this, because I can't

work on in ACE, I'm trying to be able to meet I'm going to the I'm going to the President. I need to power hiring and firing people. Because I don't even can't use the way of conventional.

I need to system of engagement that from the same PNS at that. So, so, the penangue, then, PPSB, come up with a statement

beginning, in the back to plantican, after I'm after Sleu. Aunguro, the job we're going to make up. Yeah. Bapak, I'm from Acheid, I'm from Jakarta.

Because, when that's just two-bulan, three-bun-cabinet, yeah. Yeah. So, the, the campura of personal, then,

the Gondurian, then, to beaithuism that's about about that. That's been a lot of times that's memphis, even when it's been able to make, Mr. Kondoro, confident, again,

make gregard can't the right in the land. This, we switch topic. Ms. Pyrman, now, in the world pediccan. Yeah.

How much, the handangangang of, about the education Indonesia and to the way to the best the samestiness I've been

after the penidicant since I'm going to learn school and then I've been put to makehapen terbatus as as a major I've been

chita jitam mempin sth when that but that but it's not done-lac-n't first the function

that's the that's the way that is the way to make mobilization social social class, especially if I tell you

tell you, if I'm not there's been if there's been able to be the things of the same. The second. The second, we're going, aggatug, ragged, to invest in sure,

in the russan that siphat the bethut is a impact, like, we can't. Missal, like, the constitution we're saying, the agarant

benedican, 20%. So, let me get spending 20% of APBN, to to get to go to yeah. Y'n't-dank, aspect aspect of the

aspect of the fact of the batheas-sipater, infrastructure, technology, brand-galli, buy. Technology not, not the system. But what is

what's the is that? But, I mean, I'm not, is, number-one, the number-one, the person-in-in-pment-

and it's- And that's up because it's notepantamong, because there's a man, the Hiajadipandoro, very idealist, that's great, so, that's not enough

perlenaping. But because, because, because, the endidic, muck, then, it's not,

there's a product, people, so, one issue is, is, is, is, if we're just

serious, investasasasas, in the bidang, the, the, , research, leadership,

from the university, then the students, or guru, guru. Berangali, we're too, we're too much curriculum. Yeah,

sometimes, not really, that's the time, we're always in-belacking through, fromal it, the,

the, the, global. So, maybe if we can refocusing the end uprocusing the end uprocusing

that, even as far as constitution, is quite the amount of, but more than software, more than

investsation human capital, that's, that can be make, longatting than, fomotons

on the capacity of physical. I, I, too, I've been about

about the guru. This, if we're we look at the from the Mroke, 88% from the power of the house of the same.

So, yeah. So, the one's one is that if a one is a person who's one, he can't be able to be a Dura that's good quality. And I'm still look,

we're not, investation we're in guru that quality. What, what's, what's, what's,

what, like, like, like, like, like, like that's still like that's just, we're not in the way, or maybe we've been looking, or people don't look at, or people are we're doing. Yeah.

Begitka, in 145, then, did brought a school military first, the gombong, and, the, and, the, it's very,

so, and it, it'll be langsue, and, so, so, is very competitive, so, the back down from the people who are coming from the world of the first, the auto doctor.

When you're a doctor, it's a lot more than. But then, then, jade them, people who, be respected people who, do not be the society, but also as a economy,

it's quite. But, let me we look guru. of the start of the world. but I'maerle-hmm, I'm a small-sha-sac-M-P-E-Kee-Keelech. I'm still, now,

still the small, and the prud of it. Dipaksa-Mas-P-G, by it, with a reason, with a reason why, if you're doing guru, it's just to be a bit, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, because because of the same why I'm going to get into

so that's P-G that's P-G-A-M-A-K, that's first, the friends who were going to to go to get S-M-A, that's-M-A, if, S-T-M-B-B-G, that's-P-G, that. So, that's when we

we're going to be a currant-in-in-ig-tip that, level-ness, that's-gieting. So, we've never with serious, where the professor, that's the first of the first of the best, maupon, even if you're in person,

I think, too, I think, we're saying, as well, we're saying, the idea to scale up, that's in school. If you're, if you're, it's allude,

with skill, with unknowing-in-a-one-in-bye, I think that will beacept And capital capital capital So if we're going to get back Now, can't be able to make school of the school of school school school docent

that's, that is by ambil by bi bi bi bi bi biore and debaided with very, to beaia with serious, soingga the core of the core is the guru, that, that terms of the incentives, it was to be given by. maybe, it will be it's still

if I think that's been able to last I'm going to be able to be magnate or magnanimity the last year ago, and I'm going toampanagan how much more than the gooder who's good. And gajie yeah,

and gajie also be recalibration. Yeah, I always know if gajie 2.8 Juta per-bund. Yeah. Not can't be able, like that talenta

the bestrable. And chastrainess has to be jammed too. So, I think, the jury has been due to the profession that last resort before urusans, informal.

So, if, that, with, very serious and significant, yeah, the system of the scientific,

the, I think, the, I think, the, From the Uphazard, that's going to be a lot of the Uphabakhine and that'sa Tanga, or Indonesia, with Tijuana. Asia Tengar and Tiansk, in 30 years' long last, it's out of the otherbaraurauraura, from the economy.

And soapotanth of the people. Tijuana, Tamaiccala, too-a-7-cali. There are a few-a-tribute that's under-performance-asia-tengara. But, the, in fact, I think, structural, is it, curangy investations in the penitigation, and it's not in

guru that ber-qualitas. Now, Tiongok, to not just and I'medepotics, but it's the time science, technology, engineering, mathematics. And this has been manifestation in capacity

their capacity, not only only barang, but jasa also, which technologically is very innovative. They, they're,

every time, can produce 4.5 jute. Product stem, S-1, S2, S-2, S-2. India, 2,000, million, Asia,

the U. It's $250,000. Indonesia, $250,000. America's $100,000. Now, this can nimbung with many things positive,

not, not everything positive that we can we can try to where do we start? Yeah.

And I've been there's been there's been there's been there's about. The same way, there's how much the countrymen of the world. And there's one of the benang-mered, there's, there's, uh, uh, naiky when people who mimpin whoopin whoopin, whoopin can't be able to be able, when the lawm is the greg, when it's not as well as well as that's also. That's also that in the ALAMLAOLET

if you're, if you're, if you're, who's more than what they're more than what they're asking. But, but how many deemate reformation system of an economy? That's very interesting.

How they It's the people And if you know And if you know There's a lot of the same way It's where it's been able to give a chance of the same amount of all the world To be able to be able to be

Begaveen-Negri right now Test is very long Tessing it's been years And that lullos It's very broadas Fromgoyal only than Rewan people who lost And people are you guys who are

running the government and the government. And there's one kajian, Conan, that's one dynasty that's been quite long. Now, that's relay on, or not even even makeandalking

the people, then it's down. So, if we reflect to us, I mean, I think, that, I mean, that's when I'm, that's when I'm,

the test. with very competitive, and very big-and-one-peng-panky, that's about, when we're inundit-udu-udu-a-olde people that, that's been-died-a-cabri, because the test-ang-sing, so, one-brisan,

we're talking about, people, people, in the academic, copulisian, people, the faculties of the doctoran, and, and, and, like, now, now,

now, it's kind of kind of, saring-and-sor, because of theodicist, because of the culture nepotism, buddhaven, mottetit, and the same.

Even, somebers, cumber cuddar that's the world people are so much. It's a

signer for people who people who people who have been able to people. So, that's something

I'm not hearterkerkan. Now, if you're from where where? But it's been to beaughan, because of the law schooler, maybe because of the hashisuah,

through selectsit, and did be ituited, and did beacutti with, when a booktusasarjana, it's a gulmbang, makingirming people to the world-negris, is it. or bank, or not by the government whether by the United States, the United States, people

and Japan, I've been to be able to, I'm going to, I think the number that's being given to 800,000-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-panii-pani, diaspora. Diaspora and LPDP. It,

that, it's actually, people are people who should not, we're not in, we're in. Taddy, we were in our case,

not the profile of the profile profiling banked, profiling that's profiling that's always quite. And, finally, the country, end up against me. But if you're going to be able to look. Dere, we've got to look. Dullo, Mr. M.T. M.T.E.O.

Oh, my. Maltau. nostalgia, it's hard. Yeah, out of course. Yeah. But Proto, Mr. Proto, until,

while before he was in life, Mr. Salim. But, while that, he was product from the generation that's big of

that's still, it's still left, but we but we're coming core, core the core

that, the end up back back to the We've got to make sure. Where do we start? Taddy, umpate four things.

We need to be able to leadership perlapis, lapis, the same people are people we need to be able to be we need to be

we need to be to be hilang-can and then-one can come up glomang like that. Now they're in-mah one, the 800 people There's in bureaucracies.

Maybe some of them 1st, 17, 12, 7, there in BOMP, there in the BORPRAP, there's been in the BORPERS, that's all right. In fact, it's verbal, this is often by the people, we're saying that we're saying. That's right, I think, that's going to last. I can't dovetraiser, and potency that's quite, though, to come down to come down. Now, when the symbol, that's the symbol that's going to bring up with data

nata-incentive guru, nata-scol-scoling that makes uproductioning and all that. But I said to one thing, that's the way that it's the way to beck. The same thing that is, the, you know, is to be tatah. because if we're because of the true

if we're doing too many social scientists because, because of the true developer, yeah, engineer, that we have, the true economic mover is the name are the entrepreneurs, that we have, how we have a number of. Now, that, that, pedic,

a he he has time, entrepreneur, the engineers, probably that's the industry that's very serious so that agenda, agendas, that, can be able to be done by the people can't beillaned in the labangued. It's been to be able to learn STEM, than with the non-STAM.

If you're going to beaughal with people who ambiguities than the rest of. If the same, that's the same, that he's binary if he's not nil or not one and then she Jinping he's just to after 40 years

he took, rotation to allure Tijuana, which is allurek which is in Tionk content creator to not

back'll be able to be willy-cota yeah, right? Yeah, right? So, they're not negear popularity, they're going tojerk

intellectuality Yeah, that's And, do you know, if they're still, if you're going to doggian with the otherbishop, sulidnail too,

but they've given a chance. Now, that, how? System, anywhere, not, not, in Indonesia,

just. Yeah. Yeah. Bissue. Sometimes, we know, if it's the time, one decade in

backgand, yeah, I've been there in the publichism, I've been there in activism, but I've been able to be able to end. We're not going to beckoning because I should have a lot of time, I'm going to be a new perspective of leadership,

right? So, whatever-pawpun way, the big, whenpati, as a point of the starting point pasty, will make sure can make sure

new, team new, new, the way, this is the that we're doing in this. So,

sometimes we're not know from where, but there some story of we're going to talkin,

P. Kuntorh. Can, D.A., there waskerusackan back, that'sat. And, G.O.,

asked, "'P, come from from where? you lembate you start from there because of the same because of the other

because of the same as far as that we're not as a bit more than I think initiative whatever now this is very and I say I've said to say and I'm not too

altipism you don't be pessimistic because the situation that that's looking that means that means

that's been coming Same like in 2006, we know howie Jaya CS, you know, and-tri-Gar-Ked. And, and, ternia to meet Pah-Harto, Pah-Rot, ma'A, so I'm going to-n-n-le-n-lews. And, don't be renter-shaug-shaqqa-fing-a-cure. To start from anywhere.

I want to build a school-disposy in the lingquang-s, to shuckers-s-sum-sum-sure-soucould can't do something correct, that's not-law, to not-movellant, formal, if you're going to be able to. But, I suppose it a bit more than, you know? M-Gasemar, in December of the last, I'm going to be a perjalan, so-tlet-spiritual.

To bea-buttal, you know, there's a job in Papua, gurned, I'm going to bea-merah, then Iceh in the day of the day, in the day, in the acet by banjur three days,

three nights. But after that, I'm, should be scheduled, to Kyoto because of the campus, and that's,

to come to Roma, the russan parang merah, and he's to be a man in Fatica, that,

that, after the end after Natal, I'm from, so, so much, so, so much,

the, so much, we're, How much from we're from the time from we're going to be able to say. I'm going to say to say it's going to be made up to try to the ground out of terms of. It has to go beyond politics, what I'm going to go beyond politics. What I'm going to say, two. One, because politics has overruled, all the same aspect of the existence of the life.

Politic, Forbohong, politic It's about the law enforcement It's about Alate Kewasan, political themacksa, even even having

modifications. So, has come back on the rumoursan Awal, the people, but the two is,

maybe, what we're going to be the abackation subattings subative, corotative, but rather collaborative,

to get to work and then, not saling exclude, but then we're saying like, let's have what, we have to do with some, same.

Sampbellah on one thinker that, not, you know, that's all the problem that we hadap,

that's allisely with, that's called as well as as a person, gotong, rotong, in the

a lot of the other than this time. This is from where it's the same but, by the same thing, the element that has to be able to and I'mobrol, and I think with 80 years

Merdica, people are like we're in many, many, maybe, this is it for, this time for, I'm going to, kind of,

thinking, back, to, and then, to go ahead, we're, we're 20 years, yeah, Underdochus 1stah, so much more than 10thal

we're going to 20 years to the time. I'm going to make sure the length can't make sure. But the longer, I'm still optimistic. Mengingot, Tionk, I think a down one generation. He can't. From GDP per capita, $125 to... $13, in 40-ahs. Don't-lapot, don't look,

the 80-an. It's the end upto-o-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh. Hanying because, maybe not one-one-one-shopping, but there are a few-per-bara. Yeah, that's a common vision, common interest, common practice, common habit.

And I'm so much the omonganer-cuntoro, I'm going to emper batu-a-a-a-a-a-oh. You know from there's just to call the post to whereupon, there's a lot, one of the other people who's the way to dolechia to the world. Now, Tjongok, too,

melewati three phases. The first, that they said, revolution, in the fall of 49, gontokan, contokan, and nationalists with communists, that's,

but, after the, in 2009, communist menang. But, but they're, I'm they're the same

people'shershershick to thenchewan. Then the second the second year that the end upsoaping is a path infusion to make make sure you if you're

if you're capacity, the agotatowns 100 jutea right this but if you if I'm at the same 40 to

learn stam If you've got to the standing committee, the Bureau, it's up tojy-pulled-a-town and it's just a bit of time. And it's term-manifestation in casksufferousa-usa-usa-academici and all the same. Pasti building is not.

Now, the third-inolidation. How they can make sure Make up against corruption drive. Maramikin'iqan. And it's even men'surrected. And this is the infusiness, if I'm not sure,

the same the most they can't make-daftarca 1.8 million patent. Melebehi combination America, Europe, Japan, Korea, South and Taiwan.

Imagine. One of the country. And Indonesia's from now, cumulative, if not as well, if 20,000 patent. This, this is one time, 1.8 million. That, can, if I'm in terms of pediguan, not only quality, but quantity. But it's been made by party.

So if we're going to make an upon penitatism, Tioncok, if we've, if we've got to use, if you're going to beaq, lemper batu, where it's it, technocrasiness, too, but also mensenses it's a loterbysa. I see there's beenammered that's that we've got to beckxed me. I'm not sure that I'm going to beaumption than the time to time, yeah.

It's like, betul that's been corrective. But there's ayeshaven to have done this, I'm going toruscany. That's not. And it's not possible to be able to appreciate meritocracy, like,

people are people who are the sameptuance, because capacity, because penediccuitary, because process political schoolinging. Although, although people mayangan communists, that's too, but to the same is the same thing.

It's not even if you're not even be able to be able to be able to. Tibery borghumored, too, not there's a lot of the story. Bercaliki, one dynasty to can't ruin the nameannotism because you can't

be able. What are, people who are who are deduick with good, desupe in people. So if we're going to take it's three things. Number one, anti-corruption, ramalinkan, and resumbrance. This is a PR we that's being mental. Banka that is, this is a person who is resilient,

who is very co-cox, very strong-dunged by conflict whatever, they can't get to come back. And, It's normal, in Maluku, in Acheh, or in dera by or nothera by the decoerowalue by the same. In the schooling, they're going to be able to dole-lawing, they're going to be able to be it. If that's if you're uprook, if they're in the Raiat,

I mean, he's paid, I'm going to pay. I'm still thinking APBN's what, first, $500 trillion a lot, $500 trillion. Now, it's it, it's it, $2,005,000. Now, 2025, 20thum, then, 3,700 trillion. Mipar 1,000. That's more than to be more than the rise of the right now. But, why, the way, the, the,000-bott-upon-bawait, it's not barrenact, naï?

Because the bag of the three, the shingalanguant more leban, then, more than gila-hmm. So, we're still garranty one era, where the peopleimpin that's

unappreciation meritocracy, so that's so, can be able to baris-resources to, as well as

the abacking, and then, I'd like to bea-calfean, and howardat record. Like, by the orchestra like that's right. The people are back

to comepulkin and then they're playing. Even, sometimes, the dirjia no, even they can't even though, I have given to

people, we're just enough. And, and I'm justing I've got to five, five hundred hundred hundred people, and we're not

What is that's the people? If you know what you're the President, can't make 50 people in the room of the Senate. If you're 50, it's 25, that's that. That's,

to say, by President, hey, the, you, you know, you're going to make to

each of each person, startly to be people, and then to make sure, and pasty,

the president, the S.O.N. The president, S.L. Paradeean, parisagin, if you're going to get you guys, to join the Assyllone 2amu, that. If we have 5,550 people who are working with, the character that we'dam can, and I'm sure,

I'm sure, will get-tem, that. Rasagna, Bufatia, also, think, macket, if somebody, and direction, direction, too, can bea-mere-in, who's-a-ma-in-a-man, who's-meregall. The, that's current, like, the perlombaumperolech, but in the time, but in the interlemsia, or the

expression values, not this, that's, that's, that's, that's, need to be able to, how to make making a turning, one, one, one,

one, one, one, the, that I was about, I think, not just, just,

just, much, than political, curfutant, the powera. You know, has a revolution probably yeah.

I've been been called revolus mental, right? Moralitasa must be back again. Like,

it's like structure the government to the people who can be able to be able to be able.

So, I have I was that's a verbal that, that's what did say

by the people by the people, right, now, we're, we're,

we're, or the statement that statement that statement that's about statured, from 6.5, from the same thinggal. That's bullet. If you're recruit people, to beardastardant, integrity, and there's got accountability. You know, wrong, but I'm notu-sala. But if you're not, I'm going to be able to be able to be.

And he's people. he'llelming with five people. And then you with living with five people. With the attribute

that's same. Apere same with the kind of when it's I'm saying. I've got some of

some of book of books of Likwandae and one one that is

the did that didate the when they got LAMRek that

when they when when resimicking the school of the

A few good men. So he said, Singapore has been a lot of the world. The same of the land of the world. If we're right to be able to the country and large. If we're not nine and six people, not investsation in the bank of capital, yeah, we're finished.

And the coonciness is, say, yeah, butthews a little people, people who are people who are not. Why? Because people who are people pinter who don't have been made, It's a carousal of the power. That's also, that's true.

And then I'm always, to do you know, consistent. I was in fact that. I heard, he's belajure from Dan Shopping, too.

He, meng, he's always, yeah, he's always, yeah, he's always when I'm doing than Dan Shopping.

I, see, I'm the main Eceece. He said, I will be at the bottom of the totten pole. Dang Shopping,

that giant. And they said, and they're about in 2008. There's what I'm notarylana. What's the better than Paharcho with Mahatir when Mahatir, which is. This is by the same. This is by the same thing.

Two peoplepimini is one generation, and the way of the same, and it's notherst, and it's not a bit more than, to the titic-sum, until the time in the time we're living from Malaysia and Singapore.

Bedaghan is the two that's school. Bealajan methodology, learn to bea the world with bad, so much. So, so they're going to

the system. Now, Rapa Hartoe, or did, in the, in order, in the, then,

then. Then I'm, take napas, see, look, like, see, Whyling, why, why Taiwan, that's

so much quicker from COVID, even flu-burung, too. Rupang, a president, and president, he was a scientist also. Wagel-le-Presidents, the manatea-sehatan, who made the year of the time of the U.S.B.? Then, President Vietnam, also a person scientist. Begitupon, Malaysia never left

from a scholar. So, yeah, they're politicians, but, but background, you know, but they're notepa, you know, America, don't ask, but Singapore, don't ask. But, the country sebaella, it's all around, or people who are people who are people who are

people who are much, even if they're still-in-lawing, even when they're-a-school, that we're, we're not, we're not, but, but, now, now, we're doing, ... even in the campus

even when they're glars professor to the people that's actually, they're not really who's got to have been able to. So, so,

so, the end up the gap between leadership role and capacity intellectual, capability moral,

that's moral, that. If the story China there was one paragraph that's Gondot

the people that's got to beauteuant, but that's because they're being called upon. When we're doing to get back. Partion best of

that has been a lot of ask the answer to ask you to, Mas, Kittaker. Maybe it's to what they're doing in

in 2009. They're they're sure being able to make sure frombersiikkan from

or canker. Yeah, yeah, that's about the nationalism that's irauch by communism Yeah, Chang-a-Sach

and with with that, they can make make capacity building, that is about infusy.

And I'm look the Tionk this gila-gilaan the capacity

and and yeah, yeah, if we try to in the context of Indonesia, there is there's there's a good, there's a lot of

people who's more than in Indonesia to more than ahe as aphi-physica-murny as a people as a people from the creator that popular in TikTok. If I'm not even as well asi a-lis-a-mour-mourney,

he can't articulations about but what's the of the impetus to impetus impiris, by the data. This is that I must

be part of the culturedial can. A little bit more yeah. I should say, I must say that's some of

the public democracy we're going to get to national is this. This is the

the worldster that who used to do that can make to sayance, the

But, but the ability, but the ability, I mean I'm saying, misleading. And now, it's just like, we're saying, we're saying, we're going to be here. We're trying to do survey, that's not. It's not a scientific method, too, but the missing is, Paul Serreite is, policy, about the people who are people who are people who are people, about the part of the person who's and as a lot,

you know, you know, you want to make them to get, because they're not because they're not not being able to ask about why why mili she'll. Now,

the slackation, the result of the answer of people people who are people who have enough knowledge to menili to, did get used to

make upangue public. Then, then, then, democracy liberal is very marrake, at all right in the warrenuant, the money,

that's, because we'll be able to be able to beware, yeah, gnarer from the purpose of the truth of it. Because, can, serenicrous, like, allot for what? It's not a lot of power, resharmes, chastraan, and the power of the law, and all kinds.

This, the reason is, it's all, it's all. The one is, who, the baguantam, to make sure position basis popularity

matamata because of making sure content creator, more popular and other people

like that not all people, not some artists too, nother basis popularity

matemata so. So, that we think that we're going to make you know,

that's what must be do you but we're kind of we're we're we're

we're leadership that And to into in this situation that that's like that. Nowadays,

certain just modern-in-kind-law for what? For the school is difficult if the onto the roadهando is any the died by

the people who have had about, upbun of kakotan, hubuang of the kind of

klo documented, things. That, both between sort of vulgar in a

word, implicit that it's it's true it's not as well as we have to do something it's not able to beware can because

this is too big, too much, what yeah, be a highergah to, to just, on the kind of

on the situation like we this. How do we do that? Yeah, maybe

putan, puttaran the matter of the last time, we can look at I'm going to look at the people's from the people from the people from the people from people from people from

from from from from from from perturricular I'm from I'm saying I'm sorry can by the men's young, you know, to build up against, mulalalate, mulelelea, mowbonging,

and upbunun for puttukar idea that. And, and I said I said, if we're just about, if we're making, we're saying, our solution is that's the solution that's

from the world of the people. We're going to be able to be backer democracy the most third in the world. But it's just as far as existence we're to redistribusically

sound. But we don't be able to redistribusically public goods in fact, including intellect And, socialismatraan,

the healthan, nalaluehsum, yeah, while after this kind of about, barumptation about

Tyeongk to putt be called as democracy while the ideology communism or or socialism

but they're more than democratization public goods sub-eachachers and more than

the better the healthans my time my time my in the T-R-R-Satiscan, doctor, and everything's all right, just to pay $4.00 in the room

health care of the umum, and then the value moral, the way of social. Now, this, the fact, sorry, back to Tioncok, but in there, the, authority political at all the capital, not atas,

the authority, politics. the American-capital, or economic capital, it's on the authority, political capital, too, in fact that's notherty, tell-mortality, the American-Sericat. That's, it's not a puttisbeard

as plutocracy. Because only the people-usay-pung-usah who multi-billionaire that is Singapore. In Singapore, the practice politic-ne, that bullet

that's is putt out of politics so that's not in partiggan and it's inundangue that the undanguangy there. If anyone more, the $3 or $1.5.3% or what per-orang or what. It's consistent

until now. I think of the time, if we're going to talk politics about Indonesia, we have to try from social, culture, whatever, to make sure that

politics is away from money or money is out of politics. I said, teletal one thing, when you guys when you're saying that authority on the legality, yeah,

I'm just not so much. But, heabatening, is, minus, so-as, so-al-baw-d-a-single-party. Yep. But it's a democratic system.

So it is working democracy. It's very democratic, very democratic, very technocratic. So, people need to be able to do it's just a lot of, just not have any other

just not have no way. Yeah, more than the way, we're not, that we're still many parties. So, so,

so, but I'm the same it's about, in the ecosystem that's the public ethic in, undernda. It's undergrindy when you know,

we're going to be sure to be sure. 99 for the job for job and one for me, and one for me myself, if I'm also value statement

that's also value statement that's just do keep with the actions and the other. Now, we're, we're actually

enough to come up to level like that. Cuman, just, is system this is from the world it's not as far ashting

so that's more than more than that I'm giving place for people who I'm putting, I'm going to say, I'm going to beaute idealism because, the fact, realism just.

Yeah, if people don't have people who, there's, more like in public service that, that's not idealism. Sometimes, sometimes

we're just like to looko to look at the other than integrities. Which is the basic requirement, so, so much, yeah. So,

if we're going, contemplation, merenug, and then, be thinking a bit of, chaghergapang, is, or,

not sayang, with the republic that's been going to be years, then we're, we're going to, like,

thinker, the people of the people of two two times deramble in the under the same

in the lastah under the other of the other and by the and by the Lord, and then again by the Lord, and we're going to review back, too. by the value system right,

that's about about the law. Now, if you're not too, or not even wrong, or not long. Maybe the problem is not but the system recruitment has been distorted by the relations,

and the abuance of the carapot. That's the, that's, that must we, we're doing back back, and then, and then,

and, you're really, but, until, to be the lastar, not, And we're about about what we're about

about what we're about about what people parrower people fundings parents that's merumuskid in the words In other, in the

political, if I'm inbred say social re-engineering that's maybe can be awally with langcahapun to make sure

in the next-a-a-a-gur-gur-a-gut, that's the first-a-half-a-tall-20-per-tres. And this impuris, he, in a-a-one-a-tahsard-a-a-gare-a-a-tah-a-gare-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. But investations that's structural is guru. Because this scalability is able to be heldanguble. Parenting is not scalable. Teaching, that's far more scalable.

Now, if you're not in school this, beratapan in between 20-200 students-as-sissue, he can't unlawfulerganas, and co-hockeying that can't be lathe. Like, yeah, nanty discourses will be a bit. It's how much How much more than we're the main It's the same

Itikabilitas Two, intellectuality Barrow, that's Not putter-balit, that No, it's, I think that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the I'm doing support campaign to go to the other, that

That's, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, If we can't shortcut, wow. Because, because of it, because of the people who are making experiment in the education, they invest in social, but then, to invite people activists,

to be a good. Hasilner, and we appreciate, on various initiatives, school, people are people, also, school,

the, school, garuda, that's being the dorong, I think, to be there. Asal,

it's, the intigna, be jacobotry, then then the gurus of the same. If it's if it's been allowed like that, although system being installed like that. It's been made

method of penitical. And this, it's kind of, the system medicaid national want to be taught along by the new, it's a case. And, I mean,

I think, there's a lot of, that, mas, we're to, with serious, men usun campaign this, talk with policymaker, and,

talk with DPR, maybe, more welcome because of the end upendixen this. So, but I think they're going to be able to be able to be neutral. But, but I think, why, when it's come up oncule

talko-tok like Dijah D'Avantoro, Munchul to-a-tokos like Yamin, Dr. Agamon, can, because the result of the education the best-beak, and that's the system-can to, um, uh,

to, to try, probably the time. but it's sustainable because it's in and the same as soon as in, not as in, not. Not so much the day in or the bestok. That's. I see,

I see, look how much Singapore and Tyeongk in one generation be a result, conversy-diversy-diris, from the two to-dunia-to-dunia-1, first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if I'm sure I'm gonna'u-picts to be able to, yeah,

apacch, whether that's from the political, at least behind, if I'm in front of I'm gonna'uette. Mudahedahant, paraemong authority in the penitigations, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Ilegislative, that's a good, that's able to be able to talk about this. I thinker, I think I think we shoulder-notic we're going to be able to be able to get maybe more than repatrippat participation we've got to be able to make sure

the power of economy and dominant Sementara 40% in the above it Bercal-a-cali-public program, etc. Not, not just enough mampum can't make-enact them. What's gaping like that's about

if you yeah. If we're there's non-politic or beyond politic that we can

doorm we're back, and ball of fall of the number of

and very president metargate about percent because than

part of better than not much we can't get to be to get

that. But the pamping that that's that's just So instead of, Netsucuses,

Pemines economy, we have to have a bigeran to make up economic. The 40% is not being object to

give sandunan, sandan, and some matamata. But, we're just active. Let's say, can't be it emosked like 15%

in the power to give up with the RICKERCNPBWP, so that we're going to be access to people, but we're in fact, but we're going to beaccesses to beaming-eming politic. We are truly... We're truly... ...a-pacruly, you know, bribalvehap, bribalphah, can't even with because of the same-basket.

Because it's always be back-bayangy with the same-same with traumatic. Why not take initiative instead of to continue to

contribute to process political? We can sit back the resolution to do-on-in-k but there's a organization that's credible,

that. So, we can't imagine per-tumbuant double-digit, if the busat production, then the amount of the people, when the young muddha, not entry in kota-kota

to be working informal, but also, because it's a producer. So, because, because, producer content, not. Then, the placements, diacetka,

between 1% and 40%. That's, it's, it's, but, but, you know, but, the need to be dorong. And if it's because,

about it's the way, in the way, in the world of the world, I think, I'm going to meet a lot of the United States, democracy is bethaping on the commemorting, on the healthismat, but it's mutter in

elite, which is it, is it, about, reput-kewaskan. Because, because, because, it's,

it's, the democracy men look at, people, that's the benefit of the benefit but if we can't believe in the worst maybe there's a bit more there's one way of the way of the way

and we'll continue to talk about this to melibatting, bethapotment, 40% the bottom-bath? Selamma, the one-paling-bawak, not mperew or mara-pendidikin, And so long as well, to keep

not move uproof definition democracy. The one that's in context the distribution public goods. Yeah, we're going to be going to bein'n.

But if, if I'm in front, I'm going to bekiyakinan, back. Anak, men, men, young, now, kind of, I'm going to have, like, yeah, we've got

like we're like you, like you're like you're like five five hundred just. From 285 million. Now, this, if I look, it's very a golden opportunity if it's a geopolitic.

Because I see this bifurcation between the Hongk with America's it, it's more nearer, percerain. And I'm looking We have the Asia-Natralities

we're in aeconomic, the geopolitical, geostrategis, geopolitic. There are perkechalienes, two countries but, if I'm in terms of the same country, we've got to be able to beauntalities that can beaun between Tioncok and America. Now, we've got to look at,

that's America's only more focus America's America only from Greenland to the lastan because they've already under the starrasan their toadop. And, the Hongk is very much more than we're making about how we make make an brand.

Yari technology from the Hongkok that's moreh, to find fulis from America or the but this is We need an end up to the product-dochement. And we need a lot of the we can't-a-niquette-nifference. And if we're going to

make a put-tumban economy, it's not too hard-sulted, theoretically. To make-in 3%, from 5% to 8% to only but to the FDA that's more than $45 million. 3% of $1.5 trillion, that's

$45 million. So, the FDI that's the $1st,000,000,000 $40,000,000,000,000, $8.00,000,000,000, $8.00,000,000, that's even more, is in the people in front of Singapore, that's a number of 140 million.

This is because two things. The first, the penaghanism. Two, capacity translation from the notepastien to be risk. That's many, you know,

I'm saying, relished today, that's true really. Five percent, can we're putter about the consumer consumption just so. But if you're going to

make up the lawfulcy, the paracian policy, then biocrasiness and deboraciesed. And translation from, I like a problem of, from uncertainty, to be able to be able to

be it's going to be it. More whatever more than pastime, it's, there's, but truly, there's there's room, if you know, 40% massive, then the time.

capacity, but also, we're really, and I'm sorry, yeah, I'm sorry to, people who are playing in import.

Sometimes, sometimes, import, not the not the matter because we're not the matter, but we're,

but, I'm going to make sure something, and I'm, when I'm when I'm,

what, see, menugue, not can, so, so, so,

not as a process. If we can't make uproxaturn, banking capacity of production pangangang, a country that's upon, there's a lot of, that's, and it's not, not even,

not even, double-le-get, we can't get. But, but, but, massive, and the people are, not be able to intensification, but extensification.

True. Political, economic driver, that's about the economy. And, um, um, the world's about, but maybe orchestrasiness before I've been

with Paginan. Pagin, when the generation of Bapha, the minister, can't beauretna, not heavat, abat amat. One candor, utatatat in SMA. If there are Dr. Lunders 3, it's to be called,

you, the, Bapah, Dr. Lunders, this. If you've got to the timeat, we've been about the UNAsC from America, but because orchestrator's it, the it's thing technocrat,

heapat, we're going to be very, and I think the time the time, the oldo-bara that was

one thing, but, after recovery, it's not baza, but, but we're back,

we're back, we're back, massul-l- -s-l-1-2, We have taken, we have some of the bestisulah, we're talking about, but we're not making the best technocrat or not the best technocrat or, or, or, of the, of course, of political, the name is the name. But it's kind of beda, we're being able to, we're going to beaugh, in Singapore, in Malaysia,

even in, now, Vietnam, right now. Yeah. So, yeah. So I think we're saying weakening that penitism has been a better,

so it's a bit more than semantamata formal, but also halal that didalue with same as well to make one um, um,

um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um,

Pemangu leadership role, that. So, how to do you know? Yeah, right to start? Yeah. But, but some, I'm going to be able to be sure to make sure

a pantheon, for me, it's been in the same, yeah, just, Magripla. Same. This is, but this is,

Magriam, but I'm going to be doing, content creator right. You know, this is I believe in this, you know, but, you know, all the risko that's the current, the most people, that's the

people, but also the result, if we're trying, there's something, there's also that you're going to start. Tadigate to be different, be able to think about that's the same long,

while while, and I think we'll say we can't say that this is your time that's, like, like, we go-N-60s,

yeah, and then, in 1998, we got reformation, we look at, we look, people, people,

the people who are more than-gallel. This, putan-out-n-lap-a-l-l-l- of the lawla, after underbanks 1808,

1, 128 under 9908, or 106 embalogue 98 democracy maybe this time for the

law in the story in Chinese to consolidation because because

we've we have people who have people who can't not have authority

I mean, I think I'm not really yeah, it's very good if you're not network, with the world communication

we can do something without having to go moral leadership. Yeah, yeah, Mr. Mr. Rihership, yeah, yeah,

I'm going to geter a bit to the experience as Mention as D.M. Yeah, If we'll get, if we're back again to Tjok,

he's about 3,700 gigawatt. America, 135 gigawatt. Indonesia has been 91,000 megawatt. Tyeongcok, has already been around to build 4,000 gigawatt again. America has been a runcana to build 2,600 gigawatt this 2ndyla-gill-gill-a-an

because they're want to make-reger supremacy and primacy at the AI that's very much them need to energy. Electrification

Tioncok and America States is 10,000 kilowattour hour per capita. Indonesia, only 1,300. We can't build more 4,000 megawatt,

last year. If we're like this, to get electrification from 3,000 to 10,000 so that AI capable but to be more than 100 years.

So, the denominator it has to be we're going if it's 20,000 megawatt per time. And, and, shuck,

shirk, the goutanning that's been new, it's about it, how much? This, this,

I'ma nostalgia. I'ma I'm not a lot of I was not technical person in the bedangued science, in the time I'm back, I've got to beka, I'm going to be on the MIGA, I do with annaung

on Kliestrikan, alluremberg product turunation, some of the public there PEPA. But, so, but so much the amount of it's It's just, that's the first, energy is not be able to beaumudityas. Artinia, bagucus, do you, don't.

Then, people get, that's not even. The other, amannotment is, must be able to bea-uner-uner-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-esting. That's de-ad-unad-unad-lisdik. Gasing may be given to keep in-bent-buoy. Bat-bara, for the penangangusic, Mi gas is quite like that's right. But what's getting to get to be able to be able to.

Yeah, it's true. Number one, the decadarance of the end up to landings. Why? Because we're tariffingap in short-term game. Gali fossil, gali baddubara, migas is sedate without exploration that good. Then,

then, every time, disorderly, project, or program renewable, that's always much more than much but the time more than the time the end up again the world that's been there's been

25% now that's 12% around kaly so that's potentially the potential the bestinable that's more than 1%

to be manvathed but we're we're meantok on the three the whole of the world of the world. because of the world israeli because of the government of XTM is a lot of

so that anyone who needs to be done but in the reality, sometimes, that's the regular is more quite. So, so it's going to be made up to say that you dolemen and the value of this gina, don't get a lot. to be there's there's there. So, so long as number one,

number two, president, the president, paramed course to get to to Rout Pellan and Pertamina, I mean,

I think, and we're not in Pertamina too, and bag it's often very. Yeah. To be undang.

Then, make, why we can't we can't see people who can see-jalan with this, And then what?

Thenhallang is what, don't know? Allure problem, there's solutions. The same thing is basic interest. So, the PR we're.

Now, the slackation is this. Nogon about people, maybe people may be sure people who

can't. Noguble in education, all people people, but I'm going to N. But,

N.C. Just very small, very tiny, group of people who can fath, but that's got backhack, the impact that's not carot-caro-caroan. So, we're also puto-car-uh,

the people in the bidangue to from the regulator-ne, the plasanation, business-nesses, who have knowledge about impact or a result of the keturtingalance this. Although,

I was said, He's no longer commodity, but he is driver of the economy, that's the way. That's the same again, still the way, I think of, now, again, fromcure citas from, from the people who still in the land, the company, like, the people who are the people who are in the industry, to.

Adieu, right, that's like regulation because of the part of theaq-pac-yac-that-you-cac-that-could I'm going to be able to. That's more, more than, investment more hard, but the nature of energy business is number one,

is long-term, the second, capital-intensive, which, the third, is technology heavy. So, three-thaguen't-neumptuble, It's the scale global player, while even people,

so people can't have been able to be able to be able to be able to places. If Indonesia is not interesting, then, I'm going to be able to. Now, this, this is a lot of concern we also, how do we fix this? Simple again to the undanguangue again, singer-one elements that are too much

It's against against us. Yeah, we're not, we're not, we're not quite, we're not yet, but we're not yet, we're going to be able to bellowing the purpose of the whole thing. If we're not, if there's, if there's, if there's gotasance um, in the land in the country, it's there. This is a macro, if we can't macro, if we're about if we're under underpin'n't

PDAB, it's only 45% the room fiscally just a ratio of penerimajaping pageant, which is about 10%. So, we have realistic to know how, yeah, if you know, if you're not, you know, to have to open the door to,

for the world-nagre too much. And the money is there's money. But they're perfor-reduitsa, that's the caranguania, best better than today. Lusa, more than before the best. They're not peru.

As far as absolutist, this day is, that's the right. The way, the right. Now, that, if, I mean, the marauds,

that's, the negation of the law. Yeah, If you, if that's half-hearted, I'm not yet-haping we're not sure. Only based on consumption, domestic, APBN, export, import. I-in-y-nevestation is key. And capacity translation,

it's not only related to caprication in bureaucracy, the decision, and everything, but stem. Because, the, more people to belajure stem, he's more than translasing, from the retickech, from the risk that's in the first minute, I'm in corporate secretary,

then, belgareted, and then, he made dandani supply chains. I'm not a three-garetion that, because I'm not sure not a person because I'm not sure that. But, Paras, Marmars, meakinkin, Patto, when that,

commissarist, right, but, you know, but, Boudiono, by the first of Mr. this is about this isle of leadership and management just like,

okay, I'm, okay, I'm doing. But, we're going to to be about the sikap from the global player

that. So, I've beenumummed to be the unit integrated supply chain then, then they've

had been that, Seifron, that's, when, that's still, come back again, Kono Kipipa

KATHLEPELIP, everyone I know you, and this is a time to deal with you directly, with Pertamina directly. Because, so, there's been

many people, we can't get in matty with barang, rather than, rather than, through the jellinan trader that's rumied,

that. Yeah, of, we know, process that's not been a long, but it's, that's, one of the

I mean I've got credibility. Then, then the policy is just. So, really, when you're trying mitra, that's quick that's probably, and, and, maybe it's we can't

project in the whole energy sector. Not just as big gas, but also, electric, renewable, and all the same. Apalagherst factory, it's now, financing for Pat,

It's a lot of power, so it. So, Yeah, we're just to the whole buyer. But, but the system is the way to act, out of allangue, so that's the same – the way of cooperation, the function of cooperation, and utility company or utility provider,

by the country. That's what maybe can be a item big, if we're going to be able to make sure, or to becepat, of the energy sector. This, Tjongok, it's every day import

more than 10 jute barrel. Minak. And, and the kind of of thing, I'm not in light, it will be, dupon, duke,

and to build energy the aback. Because they more than primacy and supremacy in the AI. The endergues

energy is, more than, than the conventional wisdom. If we take deep seek, Gemini, Grok, that's the energying 10 to 50 times in the banning Google. And, and nishcaya, yeah,

Tiansk, whatever, want to make batheap, we're going to make, the mainit, we have, the most, we'llampo, yeah, America, the AI. Trial, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

And, and the, and, and, and, the, And if they're from the middle of the most from the middle of the same think just because succour, succour executions

to make sure and production lifting-neux we thinker how to energy our energy we're, to be able from the new

can. It's grand manned in Indonesia and the data that's what's about electrification 3,000 kilowattour hour per capita

to 6,000 1,000 per capita, it's to build 400,000 megawatt we need 1 trillion dollars. If we're going to make up to 10,000 kilowatt hour per capita, yeah, by the pencatenatenaten day, we need 2 to 3 trillion dollars.

So, truly, I don't know, not the gnatality, Yeah, energy sector It's a game changer Yeah, right-time Yeah, right. Yeah.

We're doing it, we're doing number five, from the bottom, so. So, Brune is 10-lipat from us, Malaysia is 9-cali-pard

from us. The United States, Cambodia, Myanmar, but with the Philippines so if you know it's just

did you know I'm better fun in where you're going to be doing duke so long there's

there's a there and and the backwomen we're making product stem more to

I'm sure because the money Because of the Uptuette's the Ute That's money for the decade and Withamon-maf, they're weaponize Dolar Yeah, yeah,

Yeah, so long the money-uped to dolar, the need for dollar, it will be resin-ambungan, and that's what be weaponized by them. Macken. Mawakness, it's more into-ac-ac-ac-al What's what in Venezuela and

and allan-a-it-it-it-l. And this, this is golden opportunity, opportunity, for us. A lot of us. A lot of people, especially, Indonesia's about, to get,

to come to America, but also not have to be able to with some of China. So, the main to not too, don't get to the right,

and, we can play, yeah, and get a technology we can talk to China, and then, funding we can

go to America. That's, that's, that's, that's the merellus and what yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's, that's, that's, then, that's, he's happening, then, locking, that's slot, but generation, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, , uh, that, that's, uh, how, that's, uh, how much, but we're, uh, well, being

Going to съawak, during the det doctrines or suppose. party depotally, the process of this, that's such a lot of it, it's great

really, right? Yeah, yeah, agree. And how we can create tentative, but even give deeds about whatever

to makeate the productivity in context pangan and energy. And we're convinced, too, too, too, if we're making sure, if we're going to be like, if it's going to be able to get. Yeah, like,

be rass-a-sragan, it's kind of five-thekish-tons per hectare, but in Thailand, Tianok, now, now, 14, 15-ton per hectare. It's with a predication that good, precision agriculture,

which, pupu, and everything, it, is, if, if, if, double, we'll we'll be exportir one of the surplus and surplus-as-as-out-bishop.

Now, that, wadu, up-sides, this. That's allure-lingar-in-lankarang strategy that's it, this is the best-hand-ad-a-solusie in the pastoral by Fassit,

so. So, if we can be-ed-in-in-in-in-a-you-to, that. And we have a, Bands of talent, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 56, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

but, um, even boyer d'clock that's the same time, memenin talent, talent that we have been. I, I, so is, I, that, iç, that, you know, that's the authority political, that has to be atas economic capital.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? And I'm, yeah, yeah, and I love, yeah, and I'm not, whatever, to the different from the other of politics. Yeah, right? So, can't two things can't be able to be able to do,

how much we're going to, but, Mr. M. M. Because I'm going to discursus on the Pilkada Lansung, that's up to level. If you're going to be able to be able to see what, if you're getting to get a reju, So, so aspect

that's a way of the effect because of the end up. I just learned from the story justicesan technology, casksetsan economy, casusiness, and successan paradole,

that's just happened in a thousand years. Selamahs, there's aembanger between who can becuaq, with who

the the lawlaughey that'shaping the same thing that's the samebang the sameang it's great really like

technology, economy, the social, and all the but if you're not asimbang it's just despotism

that's the more power, the more power the tundas the bottom the bottom is that's what's what's what's about what's about what's important

and that's about it's very actualization of the way so that's it's the way that's the thing that's what I'm going to ask you can't make sure that two objective taking money our politics and not substitutes accuntability with notaritas.

Mas, we've got one and a half-jambrole. Oh, no, I'm sorry. There's a lot of other. There's a lot of whatever.

For the country and banksa and people. Yeah, I want to use again again, I'll again appeal to ...because-hmm

because 180 because of 80-bottosurga to be over, 60-juta. But, also, the reality is, more than 100 million,

the people are people who emper-olegal and the part of work-in-former. And that's another generation

muda. If you're not acting, you don't act about this, We're all to find out of the last I think of the time

I'm in the way how we're going to be able to beckxed this. And what we're saying about about consensual, they're not going to sustainability is your theme

theme, theme of you and I think it's time for you to act. I think it's time pangil, informalization that's just So it's because of

not or not there's dead formalization and not there's already formalization the land work and

because of the end and the and the kind of that we've been about we've talked about

times and I'm just and lucuia if in the country maju, people move to

get to the sector informal it's by choice but if if if if there no choice

because because it's because of It's the repulsan. Right. So it's up. So it's up.

So it's because of the repansan. So it's involuntary. Not voluntary. Thank you. Thank you. One of the, actually, I'm going to be able to be able to be there. With a lot more.

There's a lot of other, thank you very, thank you very. Thank you, thank you. Yeah. So that's Soudan Sait from University of Arcadnecri. Thank you.