Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Suzie Sudarman: Propaganda, Kapitalisme, Utamakan Kepentingan Nasional

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

Hanya Indonesia yang bisa menjaga Indonesia sendiri. Ketika kita bergantung pada kekuatan lain untuk melindungi bangsa, kita telah kehilangan kedaulatan.Bersama Suzie Sudarman, dosen senior Ilmu Hubungan Internasional yang telah 50 tahun mengajar di Universitas Indonesia, membahas Iran sebagai kekuatan keempat dunia, kritiknya terhadap pendidikan tinggi di tanah air, hingga cara-cara yang mungkin patut kita coba untuk mengubah Indonesia menjadi lebih baik.Topik selengkapnya:0:00:00 - Intro0:01:35 - 31 tahun di Amerika Serikat0:08:05 - Kapitalisme yang infantil0:20:25 - Kritik pendidikan tinggi dan riset0:27:13 - Masyarakat perlu direkayasa dan propaganda?0:43:29 - “Kita lupa menjaga satu sama lain”1:02:00 - Iran, kekuatan keempat terbesar dunia?1:16:39 - Bunuh premanisme#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #SuzieSudarman------------------Buku yang saya tulis, ‘What It Takes: Southeast Asia’, sekarang sudah tersedia dalam Bahasa Indonesia dan Inggris. Dapatkan di sini:⁠https://books.endgame.id⁠Sudah baca? Tinggalkan review-mu di sini:Goodreads⁠------------------Episode lain yang mungkin Anda sukai:Negara Hanya Semaju Intelektualisasi WarganyaVedi Hadiz: Oligarki, Negara, dan Ketimpangan Sukarela‘Bapak Satelit Indonesia’: Kita Harus Bangun Industri Antariksa - Adi Rahman Adiwoso

National interest in Indonesia, what, we're not to be hindunging people, if you're going to be quietance, don't. It's just that the countries want to have put in critical minerals should be targeted.

Byk of China or the other, yeah? Yeah. We're not to keep one of the other. I mean, that's the number one. Indonesia is,

who's who's who who's who is in the world country? No, no, no, no more than profit, yeah. Capitalism, it has been

to them buwagh people who are people miskin that are people immigrant, but actually he should have marra on capitalism it's own.

Hello, you know, I'm going to give you know that book my booku says South East Asia is already

in the language and the English. Buku this can get puttacked melawit and endgame.

.id and at to book the redact you. Now, back to the show. Hello, Hello, my,

today we're to come on I'm a person from U.I who's a lot which is American Studies and American Defense Policy

and line, line. Bu, Susi, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, the sonnang of you, Pat, we,

thank you, ma'amation at U.I, but I want to hear a bit more about about about this,

how much how much can be able to be able, How about, bu, the idea of

my name is my way and I'm under the same handicap. Because I'm there's not there's

no way to do you. Lerue just like, don't be the other, the end of the other.

It's really being a guru. And then get a person who also in the people are there's been

the American Sericat, more, I mean, curiosity is there because I from from from

from class 5 in America Serkate. So, I'm going to U.I, but I'm Bialisisual

to bea-sissua again to the U.S. I'm in total, I'm 30-town in America U.I. S-ATU. S-ATU.

Nameda. SLEC. NAMU. Political science. Why? Political science? Yeah, I, I,

I, I, Pupu, I, and I, the same to be Omsiger that. Yep. Belio, he was a

group of Nip. Jaman Parcano, Partain of Jaya Jolla Jolla de Kisumo. So,

so, every day, I hear also, consituante, and I got curious. Manganiardin'an't politics is

something that I'dam-idam to befhamy. Then I, I'm getting model person for me, is Miriam Budiarjo.

I'm being assistant of Miriam. He's surrokerkerous to mingkat, inkingking, book, so yeah, he also can get

the intonat the intupt, and then make-s-lien with Ibu-Miriam, sore, minimum tea with her, so I'm like,

so I'm like, with people, with people, with people, yeah, Yeah, the bestoling berhubungan,

yeah, people who are living with people, people who still purist, that's, so,

so much, about Sujat Morae, Sautau, we're both, we're a year and and sogainna,

and sogainer, and sogain, and so, and, then, it's, the world of, my family

side, the family and son-in- my sisters are seniman. Wow. So, So, same

I'm in out of land to be literate they're not about about about political and sojour

who are doing malo they're practice work work with people, people who I'm really menaragading.

Antara people, people, people, who are more be perpengue to garrayin people,

murangcul literacy? Yeah, I said, you're, chat, That's my mys. So I'm

doing it that's not then I'm sure that's much more with Miriam Budiarjo and it's becoming a profession

like. Bucco what, Bucco what, who, who, who, muckingerue, when I'm going to

get you, Samuel Huntington kind of in a changing society. Right, that's, I'm still,

I'm still, I, so, I'm still the beauty of stability. But, Lama, can it

also can be abuse, yeah, because of the unlawed and so much. But,

but it was quite quite so, it's a power of Bukh Huntington. Yeah. Yeah,

we all have to be back. Yeah. That's true. Because really, benabar

menabern about about institutions should be did do you and so partisipation

it's not be liar and sogely that, the Rasmoglu, the

landasance is Samuel Huntington. Yeah. I was going to say the book of Simeoglu the last. On the democracy. Liberal.

The sources of authoritarianism and democracy, right? The last is, yeah, how democracy that's gotal, that. Then,

then, and I'm able S2, S3 in America, why? First, I'm, I'm just,

I'm, I was going to get grant from the Ford Foundation because there's no other than American foreign policy so I was always the only one

I was to Maryland I'm to El Paso I'm going to Hopkins after after because from Maryland to Hopkins the cut so

so I'm going to because I'm just not rang rang just essaying is not garrang just

yeah it's up And, finally, I'm really learn from people are people like Brzezinski,

Mandelbaum, that's guru guru, and if when they're going to be not, can't,

whether you want to want to make the school this, gru-gur- my guru

guru-reali- there. There, there, there's, there's, there's that there

in the time 90s that, when I'm not applicable again. Not applicable. They're still be thinking

for hegemonic forever. Turtomah, he's making say, why did think about Yurasia.

Because Eurasia is same back from perspective America because too focus to the Middle East. Because

Eurasia by China. That's the personn't the pergessarance that's there's so there.

So, there some conceptualization can the quatown maritime bertumbug

with the power because China made railway to make access

to make access to other places that not not not

never think by people people think strategy America

and they they're they Navy to have free trade, free trade the trade's already calmed. Beto.

Beto. Ibu, do you do we? W. 50 years. Masha. I'm first. I'ma'u.

I'm first, I'ma'clock. Bu, I'm here, this, many about about profession guru. So, and in the panang of you

do you, that's how? That's what I'm doing, perception about the university?

Dool, when I'm got to work with I'm Miriam. And, the thing cat three, I've been to be assistant. We're not materialistic,

so, not pern't be thinking that, not perniquing, yeah, not per think, why gauji little, why remuneration the same, but we're too,

you know, masiswa U.I. to have been a role model. If you, you know, you know, you know, look, Kamantto,

yeah, Miriam Budi Arjo, look, Salon, you're like, Malika, so, So, yeah.

So, yeah. So I'm going to be material goods doesn't matter. Now, this, it's not. But if you do you,

mampu, can, with anything that's got to put up to make sense, too. Cucup. Not know,

with gaji people of a good we're up, we're doing, we're just $350,000 do.

RUrash $1. Ruppen. It's, grudu' But, but, can Miriam Budiarjo, Isri, Ali Boudiardio, so, can Freeport,

President of Freeport. Yeah. Well, for them. Because they're, because they're not in-assad, yeah. So, not matter. For the other, maybe,

a bit more than, because, because, because, it's hard, but, but, with, what,

the, with exposure to materialism, people, people, deprive, with it, It's not eveninia,

I'm not sure I'm going to but not it's like you know, there's a lot of that's all things like that.

What happened? What happened? What happened? What's happened? Materialism can't and now if I hear

if I'm over with guru with the docen not seterjankau too food and

food for for the so farga so I'm like this capitalism than panpa

panepatouan. So, capitalism as shock therapy for people who are still who's still, who's still, but not there

in guru, guru, I'm going to book a discourse in universities about what is capitalism? What is

what is the expectation? How do you make up-dampak negative from capitalism? That's what became focus I, so, so that's so much.

So, I'm, I'm trying to that's because it's the because it's the key because

if capitalism did happen without pengtahuan can we have two choices. One is

fire and fire, the liberal laissez-fair or flexible rigidity model

corporatis. Now we not get this soing-g undang-undang Cipta-C-Cepta-Cur-T under-a-Var

the lower-n-n-PORPOR-PORPORATIS. Right, can't not so. So, if in Europe, the control capitalism, it's, arting the burrushes

have been if you're in America, there's a different right-to-work-state and states that can be able

to have a ruckett puro, like New York, Chicago, and so, but if in Texas or

in Arizona and all the problem, if you're if you're making the sericat Bouru,

there's a difference. And then, not there that there some of the problem with capitalism that I'm

from the northwestern because I'm because I'm kind of right. This is to the right. This is kind of labor unions

how to create a just society and that sort of stuff that. That's not there. Not there. If I think

in Northwestern when you go undergraduate there's what I'm Freshman seminar, and it's always, topic the other, better, better. For example,

September 11th, topic's, topic is fundamentalism. So, the society of America is cockocke over people, people think of new to be hathapy

reality that's that we're up. We're, we're distant, yeah? Maybe because that when it, it's not there, Google,

don't have, I, can, school at a time where book, book, it's really

so far it's quite people who people who people who people, sub-s, if they're

if they're people, we're going to get-kejaro to photocopy, you know, because it is hard

to find book and find out of the people. I'm I'm I'm put

in India in India for some several years, that, the abatance India

is they're I'm must and it's noticant, book that's more. And translated. And translated, yeah. Bucco, Bucu, butchus, in America, in Russia, in English. And they're not going to beck. Yeah, it's just $4.00. If they're in America, it's $40. Yeah. I buy it usually secondhand box. Oh, which is.

But, but the cartas but the issue is the same. And that it's like

under the mind I'm going to beaugh people, the problem. The problem the people in Indonesia

is a person, people are based on oral culture. Beto. Jarang for he

doesn't sometimes for journal or or can't book or can't book.

So, this has done do, recayasa. And recayasah that's the way

that's people are people who not are people that's like the time Meiji or the

time in India and and so much that people are people so curiosity

I am somehow did be perilshera the badosos or so betel

not because not know this this is this if I'm look

book that's written about asia the same time to time to

time 755 000. Jumla book in the whole world $150

$150 $0. So, so percent that's a 0.267 percent for

the population 700 million that are the percent

from the population from the population during the population dundus can be

notrasic and documentation so far, 0.267%. Yeah, this is over-simplification, yeah. But, because, because, one, maybe, literati and or documentation.

I see, in Indonesia, if we're, if we're plighted if weashton, it's dilaphacken in shirkhacken, must bearticalization from generation before the,

to the restrus-stress. It's, there documentation. Because I think maybe also as far sociologous, the people

people who people who can't be partan or mengangon kebo. So, he's not

di-ajarking. Okay, let's go to basic, Baca. It's, did be back. Now,

more gawat again. Because not only only being a power to help the people

people who people, and sogain the that's, the not, if you

have you have done with the work but the time is, is it should

solat before? So, not intellectualism in the puup, but justu the agamaraan

that different than Iran, misalien, I'm so much. I'm, I'm going to

be that, but I'm going to cut in again about the penidikin now,

I'm I'm from Sabang to Maroke, 90% from the head of

the not of the non-part to get a end up so that the one of the one-satting

is to investration to do because guru, intersaxy with the student and

them, and you but if you get to give gai Mawav Mawavu

there, there there, there, U.M.R. Yeah, I, yeah,

I, yeah, I'm back like, if I'm I hear, what I see the data is, the majority of 3.5 jute of guru and dosan, that gajie is

just 2.8 million. Honorer, be kendary, 500 or 400,000, $400,000, a month. If I'm not, brilliant, from U.I,

I'm being guru in Kampongalaman my own Kyi, with gaiji $2.8,000. Then I got to offeran in Dantara,

$40,000, even, although I'm So you're going to be guru, bu. Yeah, if you're if I'm sure

I can't know on the amount on the other meja. But if with 2.8. No, not.

How much? Muckuck. When I'm drastic. I'm radical also. Puneaping that's really

brandy to make to say that all the part of abogickick in a matter.

Minimal just. And, manage in a way it's a not anti-asing if they're

going to invest but in the package that's not it's not a result of people. If it's

not a that will continue because there some there's there's violence

yeah structural violence to people because people because that's

the miskinance the structural the fact I'm putuling the world the world

more more more Automatically, all my sisters, pinter. Because exposure is but for people that are in

the end up to think she's school at U.S. I, I've been in U.I. I've got to people, there

three, maybe, yeah, that in S-1 just got to two comeeran this. Not-munkin a person,

a person, Papua, I'm going to school at U. First, school at U. U.S. maybe

the facilitation but is it. But, is it. So, makinghacken

if I'm going to mind that you know that North Western. North Western is a

school liberal like, people people, so, there are affirmative action

for people color, but because I'm made the base, intro to American

government, they're not be able men un unruh shard but

it, uh, uh, uh, ujani not a issue essay,

but uh, but ujian the for the for the other, so every

case I have used a man American American, the way, the professor can not

want to menelike, who can we can we're, who's who's the,

that's, so, they're sure, they're still, and get to and sogain,

but how this, this can, this, choice, yeah, test, yeah,

not memmenuie shard like how because the context is that he's not put down

to the people who want to talk about she work that's the work

or as a cook or as as or the

the the the because intellectual ism needs a

context I need my own thing but because because because

my own people my people I'm not intellectual. So, not there,

context room like that. Cuman, because I've been to be the professor from the first with the only thing

he, it's got. I want get to two points. The first, that we talked,

we've been making, which I'm that I'm going. The other is horizontalization. If you if there

people, there's being limpacan in slugugue and it's such-s-cour- -tort-ter-tulis- -sac-sac-

Horizontalization, did kaji ulang by a pupu like, depopoe, k,

k, k, k, that's the that's the name's peer review, right. That's the that's

true, wisdom or kibisanship or kivisakanaan that dilimphabilization that, so,

the point of the point of the next the partikalization perikutner, it's becoming kya. Now,

this we're too-d- -n-you- there. There's, there. There, D.

I mean, there's up peer groupings, that's important. If in America, peer, it's important. If you're not PIR that's true, two, from three assessors, you know, you can't be able to beckoning forever. So, sir. Now, if you're not able to In America, you're not able.

Lals, then you know publish book, publish book. Editor-in-itored is peer under. So if you

want to put on a topic certain, peer-ne, it's not not be published,

we're not-publish, if we're when we're saying, oh, this, yeah, editor-n-

-itort-n-it-old- -it-old- -the-c-v- -v-v-v-v- Yeah. Apalagued journal, more gritty more than what

what's the end up after the phenomenon industrialization galar. That, how much,

so, d'n't, Dullo, Dvysip, I'd tell, with people PSI

this, recruitment is tight. Not-bis- -n-bis-a-s-s- -s-s-pug-s-s-s-s-s-s-cuit-s, Kudeta Visip when gawat-gawatt

he was made by the besan profsselmah Samarjan and then mobilization from the bottom to

not there got to gentrification I really believe he need to be gentrified now

I'm not can't be being given if I get chentrifate by my Riam Mierjo

that because there had been discipline can I'm made

so I'm maybe if you want to be doing docent, I want

to be in the current now are more than it's not a problem uh,

the criteria must be number one can not be there testing testing,

and even like PKS makes make NURul Vickri and

all much, people people people mispulation the partn

the partnation so we're people who look on the

people that's that are because American society is engineered, socially engineered. You cannot have mass society becoming quality. That quality is created by efforts. Misnesty said, Kornhouser,

made book about mass society. Indonesia is mass society. You know, look motor from right, to kiri, kiri, to can't. We're back, we're back. We're back, we're doing. So, politeness has been

illed. Budi pekerti, not there, not beajerkat. There's mass mobility that's dangerous. Yeah. Because it's creating

people who people who don't know, fathom ethica. This, this is back to point that

before, but, Because the long not too not too not too we're not

to be able to put in their attributes up. Ambition, imagination and the peruntungungan cerdas.

If the peruntunging butah to, ya Allah, I malice beavers I'mka

A before in the ujian fisica murny. That's the peruntunct but if if you're

gooduntank yes yeah Allah, I'm I want to purported I'm to beaure

10-jamb inshulah I'm sure I'm back back to the way A now I know I'm

really just guru who can yuntick ambition and the currants if you're

right because if you're if you're $2. Yeah we're not can't

be able recruit. Also there phenomena in Indonesia now fanaticism

to people who want to I'll get gajerendah. Now, if you're good atyghur in gajerendah, who can't move are people who are fanatic

who are going to ask the line, the law, and fanatic, not the lily-nilis scientific. Now, this, is not the matter see?

U.I. dillandah. Dillandah if you're not not said with a surang-gur-bissar in MIPA, more,

more, better, D.O. because not dishear, laboratoryum not be shared. So, many of

people are people who are in FATISISM in FTA and in MIPA. Lawla, they say, oh, technology

technology Christian, we're callah because, you know, but a a lot of because you bad,

because you're this, this process nalar like this, you're, but what what you

do you do campus, to be able to make sure that discursus to the still rational. I'm not

that's not quite to get book. I share with class I'm and then

I'm, and I say, I'm contradictions yeah, the semester in the time there.

There, there, Kondulisa, Rise, Bicara, there people who MacMaster

and I'm master, I'm, I'm, I'm going to download from YouTube one of the one's

I passangin Jeffrey Epstein now you're this is this is like what is the kind of

the kondylissarise or the effect from Jeffrey Epstein let them think that's as UTS I so you know

you know downloading downloading YouTube with Jeffrey Epstein yeah see how you judge this

because they have know that America can be dishonest. Now, we have been aware of that. That's true. That's right.

I'm back to point here, but I'm going to golly more more than the thing about the what kind of what can be doing by civil society

to make buhackan not only not only the but can bejacking, to reformation quality and keseatraan

this israeleran this is there are 3. and a half-juta, guru and docent. I'm in-nawok melancho-cultu-culture because culture

is embedded, yeah. Culture is also structure, yeah. So if if we're not them,

make them make them make sure emotion, pass for rationality that new, we have

to understand too, they're doing, better than people, people who are the

people who, the, then, the hammer, the problem of the problem, oh, there's a

thing, this is in this, it's not to be so. So, that's

my friends, I'm able to kind of realisacus my own dreams of

voicing the voiceless. Now, that's if it, if if, if it's

culture not be-abed, ABS. Yeah, culture, can, repaganagan

seniority is, Everything, yeah. So, that's that's that's that if you're

not the culture not can't make sure make up things. I'm using Fukuyama

miscelling. Fukuyama said, to make compitaking competition that good, to make

the economy that's a good, sense of trust has there. That trust not there.

Oh, that's how that's it for the people local or the community that the community

is the unkind suram-y- how much make-sipak trust that is there or not

or he's supposed to penembaugh senioritas penembaugh chalon people he rejuke

not the problem he trust the this this is this is this is down

so if you trust your government you can compete and you can create a

better economy that Oh, phenomena that's the penomberal people are that's the

end up in it's like, end uputability to class elite thaning the world. It's more mienkut.

In the world, the country may bebeang and mishkin. This is the last, B, B,

muck, on the education. This, this, this, is very much in bottom of

wazer, can, but, we're, but, But maybe the task

we're two is to how much mainstreamed to the people who even if you need to

get used to be able to be able more than without up the upyestrimed to mainstreaming

to the people, I'm not certain to be the pedulian at the level of

the penimbingin I'm I'm I'm sure on propaganda the one

one is people people people people in the northwestern

so the power of propaganda is very so much we're not even

propaganda to be rupacanda it is buzzers bachom which isin buzzers

not how much make the society this gentrified unit gentrification

we need quantifcation we're not to try kats mullig buddha to look

there's there's sure that's but it can bejikovans it's a parallel with what you're

in what what we're doing what podcast bapap podcast podcast we're

now this because American society is a manipulated society in the art

percayas social engineering in this is not And, social engineering is to

make up unawatt can quackack a lot of not to make sure that's one of

people not community is not community. Yeah. Society could be chaotic, but community is

when you share beliefs norms and rules and all the much, then we're different

community Indonesia, we're society Indonesia. Yeah. It can be vulnerable.

So, Yes. The up the way we, bu, the channel in this

or in this is to to be not want or mowatit TikTokism

yeah, right, right, people, this is mabok hanut in TikTokism.

They're too, hangut with sensationalism, festivalization festivalization. Short-term games.

That's capital-term games. That's capitalism. Right. Now, I'll be there, so it's short-termism, short-termism, or TikTokism, this is that

the bandwidth only 30 seconds. So it's, to make alhick can attention, it's with sensation or sensationalization,

or festivalization, not intellectualization. Mengingat quality of And Asia-Tengarra, to must be able to break it. Manky-nation, I'ma-can-couin-court

that, after, that's the end up viewers'nard if there if there's a sensation of crisis certain who, that's not, they're not,

if they're, they're giving beauty, too, not nandak. Apalagely, did caste intellectualism so far. It's,

maybe, in, but, perkechualian there, but, We're going to be on the platform we're. This we've got, we can't seeeran, from TikTokism to intellectualism.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, average viewing time per episode, we're 22 minutes. That's the only way that they've got to end uprocy 30-detic. To get-jumpot in duracy 22 minutes, yeah, well-man. And, yeah, if we're looking at from the number of

peopleangue and the people are it's quite much more but I'm going to be I'm in

look at this is there's a good deal with the keypendininant to what that's what you

don't mainstream can and I see junkir back every every day how for for someone

who who people who don't hear the talking with someone that can

it can't kognitinusin because I I'm in batas intuition, I'mu, democratization that only

can't be result if there's democracy cognizy. If you're 90% the power of

Sam from M.R.O.K., not, not, we'll make, the pedicance of our democracy

the number three in the world. Because, you know, the, but it's, if the

quality of Maroke, or quality the class in Morocco that's much better than in the Jakarta, we're not

partut be banged of their democracy the first number three in the world. Silakan. Yeah.

Pocanying if we're going to get respect, if we're not ashing asing as a

not valuable or merugick or merugick. We have always look people people who people

if we're going to give up the, we're not be in-gap, not,

you know, not, get a different to be able to make. I think they not have been

doing the people who are making the doing that not the donation. And, and it's

we're going we're and the same, and the kind of people are, this

there is a problem fundamental. How much the way Indonesia to trusting, like

Fukuyama I just say, trusting to government so that he be able to become competitive, be able to make economy

that's number one, the keyhaling trust is because too much manipulation and too much corruption.

That's just. If that can be the same thing of trust is comeali and we're making the society

like we're before greg-gap gempita international capitalism and neoliberalism that

to be become from Indonesia without a penitawain. That's the thing because for I learn in Northwestern to, waddu, guru gurus, can, yeah,

guru guru people are so my God, this is not me, okay? But they're making a playageran

that capitalism that's not be able to let loose, you don't have knowledge of it. Now, this,

how many, men, when I'm the gagasance is, because we have put, of the information,

has it should gouru guru, the whole Indonesia digilir, to U. U.I.,

dojark in the short-term, this, lo, what's globalization will be

this, like, from Danny Roderick, like, from who, but, but,

usah it has, so, so, so, massification, the thing,

with, with, with, guru, to university of the university, Unitas

Pt, the There's pack-pacarnia, can't be unhaz, if you're guru-guru in Slovakia, be un-CEN, if it's in Papua,

can't, if in Manado, can, you know, all kinds of Pt-N that are Erlanga, it's, for people of people in Javutimur.

Masa, lifea, life, so, see, the life-a-laping. You're not. The life, can, make,

it's more, you know, if it's more more, more, What's the end up what is it's up to be massive and

be direct in the way to see if the solution is one, the guru the guru did implant for courses

a week and come back to back and back back to class class you. I want to go ahead

from the penedigan but I can't resist but if if I see that campus

campus in Indonesia the consens exclusivit is big in the in the way

if you're if you can lullusan from U.I. Oh, not too. Now, now,

yeah? Now, there's a student at St. Pasundan. I can't get to

Rue. Yeah. Because website, but it's not too. But, it's just

being CPNS if if if you're published. If not, yeah, not can't because if

in America, yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the last year,

in West Coast, that's at Stanford, and they're mustsd even make recruit, even that even got to

get S-T in Stanford, got to usier. Yeah, yeah. You're gajer at MIT, you know, you know,

you're going to do, or at Princeton or at Harvard. After 5-10 years, we're going to be over again.

Singapore. Just to you know, that's, the people who are lusus or mid-west in Stanford.

So, or from Berkeley. not incestuous. So, so, the diversification wisdom is important,

bu, this is important, but I'm maybe I'm wrong, benchmarking, but if I know about

the campus that, that exclusivit not, if exclusivit U.I now this, because in

Landa PKS, is Nurul Vikri and kawan that. So, they're not put positions positions as

as assistants, as, and the end, what is, what is some of the

in the same bag in the at each level that's like this the government not can't

make a heart card guru to be that science is a pursuit of challenge yeah not a pursuit

of religiosity that's so so that's it's that's that's exclusivit

that's that's from the agamac not from UIUI, UI, Pendirinia Pendirinia seculare,

Kohlir, co. Yeah. Pendiripendirin them bangun tatan, coderoternan but all be hijawkan.

This, this we can see that Iran. Yeah, which is to thinkerangue this isem

this is big but but segregation between science with agam to nata that's

what's who's who can't since 28 February in 2006, that Iran, that will survive more than two

mingue with handtaman with Israel and America. It's, if I'm in relation to be correlations with scientific discovery their.

Yes. Iran is pandey, Farsi. Yeah, 5,000 years. Yeah, so.

So, so, Iran, that's a country with a land of people, they can

produce $350,000 product stem every time. Indonesia only 250,000. Asia, Tengara,

$750,000. China, 4.5,000, India, 2,000. America, $800,000. Then, if you're going to mongkot, Tijuana,

from 3,000 campuses, menempat can two campus in top 20 to be top 10. Tate Kampus, from 10,

Kampus, only the top top 20 the two of both of the two only is in Singapore. But I believe

sense of deprivation that's that that's in people who are in Indonesia. If deprivation it's down, everyone has

having the same and the kind of economic and not, I think people, I'm going to be people, I think

if you're busy, in America, we're doing humming motorcycle or vehicle to where wehicle to where, we're

not know like, oh, the next thing is, I have to work to get that money. If you're going to, if I'm going to go. If I'm going to go. If I'm going to goreja, to comeanapun, okay. But cogniziness, it's not because in exclusivitization that. Dibankun by them who are insecure.

He thinks if you're going to partay, then he's going to be a minister. Yeah. But, yeah, this back again to guru, boo. The guru that's going to gajunit. Yeah. If, if I'm in front of me, the end of the most structural,

quality of guru. If you're good, it's a gooder. Tendency apapot, that's maybe can't be able to. And there's a theme like meji,

restoration, that's a national. That's not linearity that we're up can. But, but before when we're not linearitas,

we have to look at, the most goutgut this, we can passin the quality that's being taken to be part of

So, yeah. So, he can help to be themmah extremism in context

whatever. Apocity or ideology or anything? Or, anything? What I experienced

in school Catholic, yeah, there's not there, the agamac and science and

such a much. But if in U.I. still, you know, you know, tarbih

, So, that's like, so. Yeah. So, this is that, I do you know, I guess, I'm saying, because it's going to be given. Yeah, I'm going to be privation.

Economic deprivation, that must be acquit. And, there's a lot of elite, can't be deputely, yeah. There are people like that's treated unjustly. Yeah.

Not got got money, not have means for life, playa. This, yeah, if I'm going to deprivacy, we've got

look that's the contimbang and it's making more than the same thing and the

world in the world major majeu and mishkin particularly for the country that's

he's being being being a court right because not can't

not be not can not can't menundah yeah strangen from them

I'm I'm going I'm this in context juxtaposition an

how how Barat for some several decades to be upy

to campaign to campaigning the liberal but there is a gagalal

that the that liberalism is manifest in democratization public goods

not the yeah yeah right right capitalism right

now this now this now this now it now this It's not even the bestinialization model, but why model is more elitization.

Now, I'm looking globalization or campaign of the liberal to the whole world that's done by the Uphart. This is universalism is high. My God is your God.

Tampa of repatriation and supremacy tercate with buda and kadaulatat. Now, Tionk, I see, They're like, they're like testing the water.

They're going to try to make sure to make sure that. But, like they're going to be purpluralism, not universalism. My God is not your God.

But for somemata, buy Xiaomi my don't. Belie B.Y.D. Go, don't. It's pragmatism. Now, this, if I mean, I think, resonantziness,

in the bottom-wadier, more than the global South, the end up $13,000 per per hour per year, and cogniziness

maybe still also be able to batas. But I'm look at political economy argument in the context of

the Upacuble to globalization, this will be not back the bank, without the saddaren of their

to melmah technology. Agar Mitrani or collaboratorn, it can be merank at the Rantak

in Rantak And they're in justice, though? Not necessarily. Not necessarily. So, they're, if they're going to sell on B.YD in Indonesia, they have to have a kisadarer to build public BYD and there local content. Soapy, so that people in Subang,

can padat karek and can belajure, how bigy-lishtric is like how much. That's not done by Tiankok. They'll be social, economic, political blowback. because we are going to we're going to we're only

impugned to consume but without there's a time to learn. But the lemahance

from China is in private power in artian mafia mafia that not

controlled by the government China scammers narcote trading that

that's not to control myself if if they can control Chinese overseas. Why Chinese mafia

they can't control? Is it deliberate? Well, the problem is it in the situation? And the problem with China that, we're like pirip China, not can't be better can't

be ittrak, from people, people, if they're not gals, gali, emas, did bring, to the galsung

to the country, why, the people can't have been there's responsibility, that, not only in sharing technology.

This mafia not per kentali mafia that's in Cambodia that's in Laos

in where man who scam the world asia dengaras narcotic trade

that's killing us we're we're making center for narcotics because

because economy not economy not not they go to narco

economy economically So it's the question. Obat's what, if liberalism, not mbucked democratization idea and model, then what's

what's done by the Hong Kong, you're not too wiserer. Posture our to the front, how much? Indonesia

We're injaga Indonesia. We're injubljana. That's what is that. Soak, so I can, Indonesia not exist. That's what I said.

Indonesian society there, Indonesian community, not there. Saling Jaga And saling Juga

only can with people people who are people who are people who are people who disinkirken by media media and

there are people who wise like we're getting narasumber that they're not they're trying that viral

that like TikTok like like individual individuals buzzers buzzers Munchul on TV

I think this is a very sad situation Because I said, it's like a mafia state. It's a mafia. Young, what's amazing, how it's not clear that we're not being

that we're making more than more than for the penning to the penitain to the penitian. Yeah. Yeah, right? So, I think, if I was going to America

still still normal, before Maga and and sogain and the same we are taught to be fair that fairness is instilled

in SDA and the fairness that is that is that is that people people

because he because he has been because he's being done to make this

but why this is this thing because capitalism it's has made

people people people people people who are people who are people who are not in

because they're because of people are not educated, and they're educated, and they're in rural areas

and they Christian fundamentalist that, which, which, which is end up

the solutions that can be because they're they're not, not

but it's just like the people of the color that's they're not a labor, cheap labor

to be under money and this all over junker back because the love

of education has to be part of a propaganda I think America is not too

so. So if people who are people who are people who just get

their social welfare and they don't be due like up to school

or not it's it's so if if you're in justice yeah

in the other in the world that's not there not a not a suburb

that can but I'm I'm sure I'm talk if I think

in in the people in the people I have to speak to

them to them and they're they're response they so

so much so much Muslim costume that they they're making. Actually,

they've had aspirations that's that's not a paces of making,

who's I'm going to I'm going to be there really, the time after the reformation.

Because Tarbih that's going to cause campus. So, I like

lago make sure, to make sure to them to make to them to make sure

to them. That's a big dilemma. I'm always been up I'm going to ingot-can a story.

Where, in the world of the world, the degeneration in the context three times. Umayah, Abasya and Ottoman.

But what the most natural is the time of Abassia or Abassett. 500-Town that, the,

that's not the true their their stupka. To be combinations the quotan innovation with

the quater preservation, one domain academic, which is by tala hikma, House of Wisdom, who's indombed, who's,

even Mimpin, that Atheis, Nasrani, Islam, Zoroastrian, this is in Baghdad. It's not with how much peradaband

they're not. But it's russat the U.S. Yerhudi too. Sorry, because I'm, because I'm, I'm,

Instagram, Instagram, Instagram, Tucker Carlson or, and all the same that's that's that's

being in ad domba so. So, healang some wisdom that's that you're

that's that's there reformist Muslim in this that that

that not not did get from from the current

now now this that during the best okay

but sooddard so soodd so without using label. So it's the idea. There's a way,

in order to divide and conquer and to lemagh and melegmack in the same way. Yeah. Because the problem... They're seeking for

scarce resources. Scarce resources to critical minerals. It's clear that the countries have put into critical minerals who may be able to

China or by the West, yeah. So, we're double whammy, like, to get everyone. So, Indonesia is a gagged Indonesia, that's the important. But, but without investation for cognizabeth, it's hard.

Yeah, propaganda. Propaganda, that education is important, and also, do bring can, and do you do you do you

to university that's good, so they're getting a week just a week just

just like on the night, December, March, and then onutupan that,

usually, kind of like that. Now, that's important for them to

make sure what is globalization, how we how we're how we're making manage

to be not stable, how much to bejured Indonesia to keep resourceful

and success for competition that's that's not that we're not baudh raiat, competition

how much. But, AI, this is I am I so haring yeah. Propaganda

about data centers that's as malacat penelmat, men, the economy Indonesia,

because data sense from America America Sericat because It's not polluxing and

it's not the best light and the way of how we're just being it's quite it's quite

it's easy to say it's not profitable you're going to be the victim of these mega gargantune data centers I'm

I'm eran I'm I'm gemous if like that like that why people can'tawing quite

why people yeah if I'm not you know Ikeur can't me the way

that. We can be a good. And, let's say, and distribution IQ. We can

work together with us that's not working for the education guru. But,

but it's money from where. Mandatang on guru that's not costless. There

on the food, on siang, there, there make certain

there, we can't we're not just the not pay it, but

but, but, but, and there of the amount of transportation, money SPJ, and what,

SPJ, or what, uh, money for their and so from where it's, from the, department Dikbutt,

but, they're, they're all over suburbcy and so, so it is it do do not

to make to make sure, it's just to get to university, we're gemblen them. I,

I'm, I'm going, yeah, this a little speculative, but idea to make adud

dombacan that's importation that if you're not. In fact, that's Shia versus

Sunni, yes, Nasrani versus Islam, Hindu versus Buddha and allan.

Hindu versus Islam too Hindu versus Islam in India, in India, in Gucharat. And that, the thesis

The fact that the public or speculations Ibu, is exportation from the other countries certain. With the resigning. Yeah. Sengagement. And that, if I mean,

I think, can't be halangy. If the cogniziness and the IQs, and distribution cognizant. Ayo, this, don't, be pomp.

Yeah. Maybe narrative to the past our country is how much for we do democratization cognizzi. Ah, yeah?

Yeah, Maybe we can't make theme that. Because now, because now, we're in paris per baris.

Yeah. It's kind ironic in the swasana where there startifying of the brains,

okay? How do you mingulcumulcan dynamica for curiosity? Curiosity is important. Yeah.

We lack curiosity. And if we lack curiosity, you cannot learn. Because you don't have any

element. Back to guru, Yeah, back to Guru. That's important. I'm going to get ridgant with

I'm sure if you're not get to be. Yeah, but it's not getting. But, but it's

only mummugut because I think of menten I'm a general, I've been in the world so,

so I'm so much. So, I'm going to be able to I'm sorry to be this, but,

not look, I'm not put a question of class 3 SD I in the matter

in the matter of concord. Because I don't know how I'm seeing he is very inspired

so. I don't love about umongan guru class 2 SMPI

about about about about I'm going to talk about music my class

two SMAC and that that and it canbark betap important

the part of good yeah right pro-modo mm- um

apal if if if you not not get what you what

is what not good for Peningaten Cognition And that if I'm

in order I'm in the way to be able to love to notang colonialism in bentombe

we don't keep in other than other yeah that's not one. Yeah

Indonesia is injaga Indonesia, who's who's who's there's no other

there, and it's if you're also there I have a little bit of Samabankah Yeah, that that's the

glorakan I'm really propaganda is important propaganda. Propaganda melbourne by podcast but if you're about,

but if you're about, tell you. Elmune's from where? That, that I remember really,

in TV R. That, in 2000, on, there, there, program BASa Indonesia,

a half half a day, and then BASA English, now, I'm not look at

channels channel that's that's in the the way and that's regular.

Yeah, and that it's democratize without there's to be medallien to make, that's

making that's not gonna' not much. Mascarct Indonesia, there's also some of

malas, yeah. So, if he did bodoched, he would be not human

because, I'm being, can be abatty. If there can be abat. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, a guy, guru, or if anyone in the past a can't get to be,

bro, you, if you're if you will be able to get a job at the Amazon.

And that kind, oh, okay, yeah, I don't, I'm malice. I'm

that, that has there are there who should be people, who are people,

but, now, too overly informed, maybe, yeah, informed with buzzers,

informed with so that's all the people can't make sure this is the most strategic way of getting

ahead, that's how much how much I'm going to see how much information but this not nambong

with democratization idea, which is justro polarization idea, polarization modality. Sengaj. With

with a even if I look at in the program technology that it,

the pengolotor data for moderation content So, and absolute, turn.

So, so it's a un-goyakable to make-dairate-ampluritism to polarisation percikapan, it's not. For the kentignation

shampo, clickbait, and, and, again? Now, this, we're trepuck with definition that the amplification

algorithm, is same with democracy. I'm not spakat. I'm not. This is, this is such

has been buhawak polaritis, idea and model. Yeah, that's buzzerism. Baserism. Because no, because there's no, they've got to beaerer.

Who's who's who's is going to beazes? No, there's a loter. To help out in university, it's got to $250,000. Asisten, malas, now, not they're not,

no, there's money. But Iran survive since the Hantam on 28 February in the bottom batas intuition

this declaration that they're making the power the power number four in the world

after America and Russia and Russia in in batas intuition this this

make up the tatan and it and and I'm garis-bawahy that multipolaritis as much

the real. Now, there's a name Liza George who's that's about it's that's really

correlations with proliferation nuclear. If I'm in Bahrain or in Iran more than I can't be

important to make a nuclearization as a deterrent. Because when I can't be

hantam by Israel and America. But, if I'm If I was in Japan or in Korea Southan, I'm making I'm

thinking I'm like you need to be nuclear because because of the interceptor Ted missile my own by America to beindhundred to the Jordan

for the important the of the important panhand I'm going to multipolarity that can be

correlations with proliferation nuclear. So, the world discursus is different. If you're

And, ducatting, America provided international public goods, which is international security,

all, still, still, they're going to pack-in-it- to. It's, it's

evolution from containment with consensus, without contentment with consensus, the containment without consensus,

and then challenging the, bipartisan shape of American foreign policy, the Donald Trump,

this, and it's them and it has been the problem intellectual in America,

the American and what what is what are there's the people that people not want

with Donald Trump who even even, even he even if he said, he's

anti-perang but at the end up partaking unipolaritats that it.

So, so, the what is there is there is there is there

in America. Don't fix it. when it's not broken. And that Donald Trump is trying to fix something that it's not broken. Finally, it's really broken. And that it's, kenytaxed that it's not,

how they're makingycouping that general's indeed make acuque, they're not going to give drones by Iran to America the United States. Because they're not not been there's censor.

So they're taking on technology. Well, and then the world of the world. So, so they're very hot-haty. Padal Donald Trump didn't have so much. So even broken,

don't fix it. Nah. Let's break it as, again. So, if Stephen Walt said, yeah,

he will be known as the worst American president. And Stephen Walt and Merle-Shamer who

probably always anti with the development that's the development. They're, they're both

have been able in podcast I'm going to be there's Shimer two times Steve

but still but yeah that I'm that's that's who manned they're in redepanking

but I'm can't make bedack two types realism yeah which first

this realism Mir Shimer that which that's manifestation from proextes the coattance

for the Seimbangan of the power Offensive realism. But but but the one other

again, that's there's other than there's there's more than more than

proections for the importance industrialization sandiata I'm I'm not as I'm

not the second on the first I can't be spakat can be better than

that that's that's that's that's in in the In six context of the

war in the Timur Tengh. I'm looking there are two ambatton that's a structural. The first, productivity. This is the alliance of Iran, Russia and Iran, China. This is quite kental.

And productivity of Tiansk to make production drone, productivity Iran, to make production drone. It's a big, it's really. although they're

in the hantem abis, in Isfahan and some other people but the productivityitas more than the productivity

than the productivity that's the in Israel or in America. So, the ammunition in America America's America, the depletion

is more more than anticipation, right? And it's costly. Right. This, this this is the

perbatasan partam. The second, I'm the two, I'm look, the seterbatasan fiscal.

So, the matematica if I look, Utang America and America's this has been more

more than money and they have paid them $6 million per day, $2 trillion

per year, which is $1 trillion, that's only to payer bunga bungaer bunga

money of $40 trillion and the $1 trillion And the $1. Kempuang. Betul.

Now, if youatak uang, dampenflation, yield will be And I've been made.

And I'm looking for 30 years, they can do you can't do you

buy bansar upon fund for Japan, Tijuana, Tijuana, Tijuana, Tijuana, Tijuana,

but, if we're seeing, Tionk would be mongue bond, yeah, America

Sikat Tadadini's $2 trillion, and now are 600 million dollars. Japan, I peratin

eight last year, it's under from 1.2 or 1.1 to the number of

more the north. Yeah, he can't give a tanker, he's not there's not

profit. For what he? Mendau-ulang, not there capacity again for the money. So,

the caterbatassan economy America to melanchot can matematica fiscaler, there,

did, it's, it's, it's, it's, abacasasan amunisies. Apokka

it, to make Can scenario new to the end? So, many who will be able

that will be able to. But, but the problem is, the people who usually

always be trying to make sure, to make unci alliances, and badions.

Fork, yeah, the general America who can't naval adventures

in there, Cooper, it's as, lobby Israel. Then, if they're If they're

supposed to menucle Iran, while while they're being exiled nantiness, if it's

so much, so that's the problem. The problem to the scenario that is, but it's

not true but if if you're looking that he can't make even if even if it

doesn't make the while upon it's just. And people

The other people's also, you know, if you look at America, just we look at professor that we can't becha. The other, not promising at all. Because they're not promising at all. Because they've got to

humanusical, that's as a person who's being here. Now, more many people think on in trailer cars. Because they cannot pay rent. Renton, it's too much. This is,

this, is? With Roman way, Buk, in the Abbot the 4? Yeah, the fall of the Roman Empire. Yeah. Cuman excesses is, it's clearly in Indonesia. In America, not clear. The fall of Roman Empire, this is what's happening in Indonesia now.

So, can, with Caesar that's dipas-kipas-in while eating and then all the prostitussie terjadi, and all these sexual games happening. Excess. Excess. Excess. It's

It's been now in Indonesia In America in America don't see in in Jeffrey Epstein

but that's the past still still still still still before. That phenomenon

that's underis-bawai how much acuntabilit to elite is more more than accuntability

to the people. And that not unique in America and it's and it

and that's not that's the problem. National security has been sexuality. Not a matter.

Not a real issue of how to make everyone stable, yeah, that's the real ganjal, we're getting,

we're looking people, the people, the people, is the innately, he's not sugar,

but, but I don't know how he's like, nebbbb, nebac, name back, but,

but, if you're competing with them, they'll crush you. That's nature, from them. They're can brutal.

There are not unsur he did acquitansi-in to make that he'll do. Oh, yeah. Diquitansy by Jeffrey Epstein

Mossad. Mossad. Mossat to go to go to CIA, Mossat to where

Moseat so if he said, if he said, who did ask you know Donald Trump

M. Venezuela. It was Larry Fink. And it was to tokenize, he said

to tokenize petroleum. For the people, for the to the unmentment of their own, make sense, make sure,

to make sure. So it's how much? In the context multipolaritas that's that's kental with proliferation. And I,

I'm interpretation proliferation, that's not only in context nuclear, but in context many things. I'm looking that the Asia

Tengara or Indonesia, to have more more than dexterity, it's, it's, So it's not

bergantung with the Umbuds but but it's going to with theongok Percantcy how much

Now how to makebebiskan DIRY Say no This is our national interest We're

we're not we're justcursus can the attention national we're We're

which we're that there ceremony this, term but national interest Indonesia

What is can It's not Melendungy Raiat Indonesia If you don't keep in fact

We're going to because we're not know what that will do with people who not put in

people who not much people who should be in the people people and we're

so sure for we're kind to Indonesians be kind and be the voice of

the voiceless Oh, very very I'm trying but it's not easy not easy

not easy not there who's sympathy. If they're giving them give them appreciate who are in

not many people not much that's there's there's a question so that they're

so that. So, we're living as can can't can't be to get if there

is a dramatic because actually not that's really that that's that we're

sometimes we're sometimes people can't buy bread, because it's

sometimes people so much I'm before buy bread I just I buy three

and I can buy two and I'm and the price and it's far than than than you

before you mean we're not quite it's been agraris yeah which that's

always be uh food security but al you know you can you can you want

regime import to get back back not food insecurity do. Do you have a public policy

school. Push people to be logical. This can't no logica same again. We're not even even though they're getting kickbacks, all got kickbacks. How much melrus can this? One, you have put themimpin

that's really, brandy, to say, I want to give you can't give people Indonesia, I'm going to give you people Indonesia. This, I mean, I know opinion I'm not unique.

Opinny Ibu, this is same than opinion many people. Yeah. And we

see it in all the world, percerion that has been the opinion public and

the big and the public. And the more we need we need people

people, which can make sure the person the thing. But,

but, if not , the recruiterate in administration public, it has more than meritocracy,

not by the notarer, and, loyalty, just, the end thing that's, that's,

so they're more able to make accountability to the people. One of the one thing that is the

one thing that, and, give stability, d, and, and, acmure and be unlawedictal

investations not going to come to come to come with prime man B.YD is there is a lot of

people soing that they're not normal, and then many motor vehicle, company

also Toyota supplier yeah, and they're going to so. So, the intinion

make your country comfortable for the people. Don't be bohonging to be wronging And it's

has effect, yeah, distrust that's the same when it's not able to get to

get a competition, not be making, work, masas, demo, there's,

and demo also, they're not at the group of this, and the

so much, so, the apparate people, and it, not, that's, not,

trust from us, because, I'm talking, I'm going to talk about, I've been

about, we're We have a cuterbatasance fiscal, because ratio of the taxed toadop economy is 10%. The seter baritaph, ratio of our own bredar our economy only 43%. The country majeu is 150% to get up. So this ischay, we have to getterbatsan economy,

in the fiscal and monetary. Mow-mau, we have to end up on the model from out of the world. Namanmen of the other, or FDI. Now, I've seen over, I'm going to go about how FDA that's a South America.

Every time, 200 to, to 230 million dollars. From there, Singapore can get to 100 to 140 million dollars. The country one-pulau, 6,000, can't disproportionately far more than the other

other than the other. Indonesia, 30 to 50 million dollars. Thailand, Malaysia, Philippina, Vietnam, masing, 10-30 million dollars. This is because of two attributes, I think I'm

the first, the unregation the law. Yeah, that's. The second. The first, capacity.

Now, translation, to, translation, from the catatislation, and it's not-pastien,

unknown, unknown, if the risk is known-un-un-un-n-n-n-n-n-n. Risic-o- risk-o-if-cure, but if, if,

It's just it's hard. It's not can't be able to oxygen for for model. Panangan,

Ibu, on the lawum and capacity translation. Susit is a mindset's

the world to be cultural, can't be able not we're not we're

not, just be thinking for for the self and it,

but I'm better think for law and order, it's can be able

it. it's really, it's from the end up and the rest of

that's the premanism and other this is eradicate. There's there Professor

Harvard who a he about mob, about rebellious this, Elizabeth

Perry. Elizabeth Perry has been to beundang to be to be sure how much to be

making atas mafia like this. I'm don't know my people myelis

mafia Indonesia because the kind of mafia regular. Officials our

officials we are permanent. Yeah, right? Because he got, he's pungli,

right, yeah. Jawara and not at the level below. How come

you know investment? If investment yeah people have been people who have been

a problem. This is the problem security that the that's

the security to It's come because of the not the human

the law the way being in the people who's being in being in jacal. Pramanism

or people betawirmp and it and it's much much kind of bentuck f.

F.I. L. Elizabeth P.R. that, Cuncina. Cope Dengar

from how he was she did see how many times like model

model like because mafia Chicago, pen to can. Hanyet Ness

who can membertas mafia, mafia, that's, to Al-Qa-Pon. So, so we

need elit-ness. We need people, we need to people, because it's a real- that model

not can be heard. While upon he said, this era new, with the people,

the model-n- -n-law- with Preman-Jawara. Officialssia-Pra-Man-N-Jaw-A-Wara. How do you know, if they make a fabric, or did it,

or do you know, if they're not, if they're not money? There's a lot of there's company, Nour-imam Subbono, about,

why's he, not-as-en-a-mafia this. There, I'll send it to you, not yet. That, if we're going to $8%,

baseline we're, 5%. We're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're,

just a percent in context economy 1.5 trillion is just 45 million dollars. So, we're only naikin model just the FDA

yeah, $45 million. If we're this long as this time in 30, we've we've made in $75 million.

China has been going to end up the United States America still? America still don't that's coming

data centers. Is that enough? Data center can't but the electricing not there

book electricity we're still in the batam like more for

more than for Singapore so so much so much means it's not easy

that it's not easy that that that's not so so so so

the the government has been really focus and propaganda

and moreubbate and and memaksa officers that's making primal

you know and can't you can't you're not you're emolument for the

case of that you're not, you know, you know, don't want to get, you know,

we're we're, we need to give how about. That's that's where,

budaa kind of kind of kind of kind of miskinan yeah. I think if

we're too poor and it's just jihad. Because it's

mending shard for people are people who people are people who mean there

have been people there are people who will be restorations Indonesia to be a

country that will give the kind of the country and it

is a good bruney Kuwait Saudi Saudi Arabia a Abu Dhabi, Dubai.

Yeah. But we've done many rhetoric like that. From many people in the people. But,

yeah, we're doing, we're going to be the chairman president. Maybe it's that's going to edit.

Yeah. Yeah. Malakat for, Kira, we need someone like a really,

man maybe really not momentinging it's only making sure I'm making manage resources our resources

we're not abysa many people do resources fish we're getting resources lobster we do resources

what else what's that's being the world don't make upark huts who's who

that's who's sure usur smucker huts don't don't menendas Don't bend india Succo that's

single in a place geography there's a kind of being made to be in making

the first being if you know we can continue we can we can't be seen

we can't maybe yeah it's very I'm very I'm I'm

this time umas Buh 100th time in the year for Asia Tengara

because we one of the three-sand-half abat that's the three and a half centuries of humiliation. That's because anomaly historic in the abat the 17

dynasty Qing from Tiansk from taking to domestication d'idivist so they're not reproachsinging the quatans

because that the quatown that it's that it's 15-12, Tiba in Malacca, then Belanda,

English, and other, other, we're going to be in half-century of humiliation. But I'm

looking look 100 years to happen, Tionk and Barrett will be proections one,

and one and not know how I'm think, this is going to make sure,

this can bea uncoly and political for Asia Tengara. And we have made It's just to be able to beauses

and stable, in state. If I think the amount of last year, based on the other than opinion and panang in in the Kwasan Asi-Tegara,

that's not more than 9 million. Sedancon, in Europe, in period, the same, 180,000, nigh, which, which, which, which, the war,

the first and the two, memotan, the, so it's, million. So it's we're it's

badmai. Kedamayan and predamane to khanon for economic development. What else if we're

we're trying with premise there kestimbanka between the part of the

world and 100 to the point. So this it's not it's the time we're

to invest in kognis. Yeah. If Or not, sense of deprivation That's high. Oh, it's hard.

So, so, we're not. So, we can't get access to the power of their people.

Not have been not. Not yet. Dendangar, yeah. Yeah, I mean, than begin, this, bu,

moumorrow, more than. But, but they're inspired with over-loula about, obrola-lac-mac-

-an-mac-an- can, it has it's a good to make them make more than

it's not because maybe they're not in the decline of the Roman empire this is

to think things about things more than things other things that's not there

can't not necessarily about so so so that so how yeah

that's it's it's very much I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm to what what you he's given by Likwanyu. He's recruit people to be based

integrity, competency and accountability. And accuntability semestinia to kirkat. So. Because

that, distribution public goods in Singapore is, it's more better than we can't

be able to be able. Maybe they're manageable because because of because because

the only Chinese Scalcum 5 million But they're But they're But they're I'm going to distribute

public goods So I'm not see not I'm looking look at the amount of Yeah

But if you can't come impending to make Desa Desa yeah Xi Jinping turned

to make making To make abutut So that that's that's right So that

I'm in there's a Falser in Tuyg that the time that's revolution

1949 Bajem Baj MAK MAK DRI DRI to runcule communism or socialism.

And infusion, this is the paracarce by Den Shopping since the same from 178, until here, Tyeongk is from 9,000 for the world. Majority is to learn STEM. Mackayn

MAKES, B.WID, Xiaomi, OPU, with the higher that's more. Yeah. In 2004, they were made daftarcan 1.8 million patent.

patent. Sondland Asia Tengara for 20 years, cumulative, $300,000. Niatka,

right, Rue, right. Correlation between people. I'm not. If you're saying, if

want, if want to go money America, if you're making the way, that, it's,

but if the way we're going wugut 200, you know, to be to get

minimum wage America. That, that yeah. So, there's a alternative that bad, but apaca we

are a banksa that can make sure that's like that in the Hongk, yeah. There's hierarchy

in the subcuing kind of. I don't know. Maybe pain point not not much the

problem. What's? Pain point. Oh, pain. Rasa sicket to be

too. to to move something extraordinary. But, yeah,

Tiongoyouc lewati revolution in 49, infusion 78 to now, now they're

going to make consolidation. Consolidation to make globalization with pluralism, not universalism.

They've already from the time America and Europe, gag. So,

In the America There's in America the people the people the people not majoritarianism but plural

pluralism but it's but it's implementation because because elitization because we've got

one and a half time there's there there's there for the people who

want to learn to learn to be product product for the grand,

how they can't make looker posture of our community international. The person

I'm going to belajure to be curious, don't look to be curious, don't look to make,

to make, on the darkan that's the people that so, so there,

there's, there's there, there, that's, with and belajure more and don't

marat. Now, I'ma sure I'm sorry mystisua myra for two years.

They're going to go and sogaining. But, but also, the problem is there is

demo, is there is there is that there's that's the monging, there's

there, so. So, so, the mack yeah, who's people,

we're we, we, we don't say, we, we don't say, So,

so, mutton-mutern only want to get to get a plan politic, but not for the other

the ones that men are that much people, the people, to make themmerdekak to be

different, that's not now again. So, the people, have,

we're to look to look at who who can hangy asal

not something that ultimately , ...andimbing permacola in Indonesia

because that's the sometimes when I'm more enthusiastic but less cognitive about what

what actually setunguio to do. Inruth Ibu, reformation 9-8 to make

result of positive? Positive in art, men hangalking Suharto, but because

they're not planning, yeah, in-cara program, Afteran, it's the lander. Tullesan a professor from London School of Economics

which is American, the story about, the regime that's regime that's reformation, it's the task is meredam the level enthusiasm

to make sure of everything. So, so, actually, maximal to Mr. Jokowi who's been born, the order of back. So, it's

it. So bit by bit, they're impacass in the power of bureaucracy that sure that

never the time. It's only that's not the time that before it is better.

In other artian, why must be coming again to the 6. That's that's a big

question. Because, not there never had questioning. The the most the

most of the person when I when I'm making back in the U.I

2002 I'm making sure to make make make sure to make argument.

Yeah. Pertan research question now is pandey all.

It's under that's under the partasan because partion

that important how to question things what to question what is

the why and the so what? That's simple. I always I always I'm always

What I'm going to What I'm going to What I'm going to What I'm going to That's what you're You're going to You're going With the majority

Indonesians that's Therebats But I'm But I'm I'm going to I'm appreciative I'm going to

I'm sure I'm good I'm good Witherjo If I'm I'm not Disipin Mereyarjo But yeah

But But But Observation I'm About who many who, since reformation

the power the power oligarchy is more more than under the because because of the

power reformation that they're because, when they're to be the role political

to include to include and so they're so there's better

than they're not having what you have done the

education, deaccelerate and guru don't be made to be good

because they're being good reformation that they're not going gotto

gontok kuntok kind for who who who we have we have to

if we're reformation if we're with idea new, and it's not very much. Doa

my name one, but reformation guru. Okay. Spakat I'm because I'm also

guru, so I'm spakat from talking reformation politic, buddha and other. Now,

what we have we think about how we make make make make bursa this, so yeah,

there's there's reformation Gulu. because that that's the what the most

but people tendrung make abey can show me the way sure I'll follow I'm not a leadership potential

but I will try in my own feet but but it but it's very bad very much

being really hopefully be with with somemagnat by Pagittah end game

this to be a smat penemangat the people to become reformist in the

publicing thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you that's

that's that you know I'm Susan Sudarm Dossens from U. Thank

thank thank you thank