Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Tompi: The 'Renaissance Man'

Episode Date: February 3, 2021

Menjadi seorang polimatik yang dapat menyatukan beragam minat dan pengetahuan menjadi cita-cita yang semakin lumrah di era normal baru. Indonesia perlu banyak ruang eksperimen bagi para polimatik modern yang ingin mendobrak batas imajinasi dan anggapan yang kita miliki mengenai diri kita pribadi dan bangsa.

Vaccine is like the lobeck. Has exactly the same. Begito, there's a little, there's choil a little, can't not get in, not can't go unci, not can't go back. Vaccine is also like that. This is endgame. T-Tamon, my friend today we're coming Dr. Tompi.

I'm a friend who, I've known, a person who's very who are known very, photographer, what other yeah, filmmaker, doctor, many, much, like, can be said, Renaissance, man.

Tom, thank you. Can't come to studio. Wow, I'm very much, from the first time when I was to be under the endgame. That's actually, the one of the first, but I said back-and, not from the first.

Because Tompi, you have to I'm looking at the product. Tom, I'm going to tell you about the Masa Kiselaide. Tell you, from Lackere in Locksmaway on 22 September. On 8, yeah? A day after I'm from

13 years. How about, Tom? Tell me. Yeah, basically, I'm from basically, I'm from a good but not be a good up. So, but I'maacu, so,

Banting steer to, so to the petammy, but not the narnam it, but more to kilang paddina. Now, and I'm a guru TECA who, has been a business

Sampingan as Gour Susendra Tarei Aceh, traditional, and Tatarias Pankanatian in the backan. I'm, I'm living in Loxmawe.

Now, the good thing my mother's Pindahs as a teacher in TAMANSyshā of LNG Arun. Now, in there, I've got a casep to have been better better. Anagueru can't school in there. Now, it's from, I'm just from, like, I'm going to come to where, SMA, I want to come to where?

And the cita-cita I was in Puella, the college, it's in Plojawa. So, so that's M. S&A, I'ma, I'm in fact that I'ma went to runaunan-Santara. Not lulles, because psychotess's not-cocer, like. Not-coced to, not-coced to the enticot-a-could. So I'm not-lossed, because I'm becanned, because I becanned, I'd say, because I'm sorry-an-a-aner, because of the phrase-in.

if you're in the end of the end of the end up what's the question is like that. I'm going to say, if I'd just go to go and if I'd just becandahing just because I'm not serious, it's just because of serious and it's making I'm not lus. Yeah, at the same thingy is also, it's just kind of a little, now, then, yeah, all, I guess, I'm going to the city, Daerah, so, so, atl, at that, made a school model-banks.

Right, when the Tarunasantan Munchal Munchal come to come up to school, school, school, umgulant. I go to test, and I'm going to go to from, like, I'm going to go to shirah

to Jakarta. Yeah, to Polo Jawa, that was college to go to the Poloia and I'm going to go to go back. I'm going to .

Well, I'm not never know, I've never knew, yes, SMP, SEMA, I'm not ever I'm doing Puisi, yeah,

I'm the Chippa Baca Pooooisi Sumatra, that's the subterah the sameatra, when that's a promontade of the ESMA. Yeah, it's, I'm going to, but no, no, but no other the public.

But, because I'm in the time of the school at the Mungi Arun, this, from S.D., SMP, that we have the plazard music because the guru music is because of the school of music. So, I've been very much to, belajah, know,

I can't read about it. Yeah, but if I read it's a little bit, yeah, well, let's just like other people. But, but maybe there's a lot of music. And then there's a question like that. Yeah, the simple, record, man, sullying, recorder, playing piano, I can't, I can. Then, I'm going to marching band,

play prompette, that's. Yeah, that's, I've been exposed with music, but not ever singing. And music that I'm still when I was a classic. Classics of my, I remember that SMP, SMA, my friends my collection of Sculura, Metallica, and other and other. I collectsing that, Bach,

and Vivaldi, and all of music classic I collect and soundtrack film that orchestra. So what I've heard in like that's that, but I don't know, but I don't know, but I just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, cassette. In Banda Ace, if I was in the

Cascar, yeah, all the money of the I syshe for I to buy caset. And that's, my friends who are who I who are saying? They're not getting. I was going to Phantom of the Opera, so, maybe exposure is because it's from from the first, so it's a bit of the expression music.

Are you? Do you? I'm a man, my sonny. Okay. But he was not a penyenne of the music, There's a music, there's vocal, right? So we're sedati or with saman, it's while singing. So, maybe, the latihan rhythm is there,

because I'm taking sama'amand and other, yeah, there's I'm not doing vocal. So I'm playing rapa'i, playing gendang Aceh. That's the, the, the, the, the, the, of the same to get back in Jakarta, I'm going to go to gendang, do you know, t'em, t'em, t'em. I'm going to go ahead and the hand of the right, the hand, and the right,

I'm going to say, well, I've got the best percussionist JGTC. Belajar, Kaga, panguangler just that just a little just a giverick, and I'm just being wrong. This is the wrong, jury, it's, I know, but that's maybe, but that's what I'm transposed what I have to what's new, so, so it's just to be an interesting, But yeah, but what's interesting is the

thing I'm going to be a student. I'm going to school in Iqj, and I'm, I'm going to go back to my mother's long. I'm going to be able to be a doctorate. In the other than doctor, this one, if at a. If at a. If there's in the other than the

doctor, the family's like to come-kart, that. CREEN. Prestige. Yeah, it's it. No, I was it. Now, now, it's still. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, so I'm not just like, but I'm actually, academic, the way of the way of the way, so, so, S&P, SMA, SMA, always in the

environment, I'm not too enjoy to learn, so, so, so the of the biology,

physics, mathematics, and maybe, the people, people who, that's like that's analogic in just.

So I'm going to be able to be able to be done as to be do doctor bedha plastic pun, it's with process analogies, so. So it's not that, yeah, maybe I'm like I'm using for, that, that's in to be. So I can't even gavalin, if the, if it's a lot of it, if it's really really bigot-a-tom-it, it's really bigot-like, so, out of the gout, it's going to be cutoffice from three.

Now, that's I'm going to beckon. That's I'm going to beckon. I'm going to bea-bego, not just. Yeah, I'll just. I'm just going to say, yeah, it's kind of, so kind of, this, this. So I'm like, I'm going to make a story, so, after I came up,

and that's the way that I've got it, and that's just because, because, sir, so, so, yeah, so, if they're looking like if they look at the other than, like, like, gampers, not-jolace. So, you know what I'm just to the same. Okay, then, backtrack a bit,

just goes to campus. Yeah, right? That's the first time we've got to, in 2003. Yeah. You're still at U.I., S-1, and I'my at campus,

and then I've got info, this, from the piano, band, the name, Cerokee. Tell it, how, that,

the journey with Cherokee. Now, I think about Ryo, I know about Rio, you know about the piano, by the Harry Toledo. Then, and then, Mr. Riharie who called me, Tom, like where? He's going to come back, come back.

We're going to come to Ceroki, we're going to perform in Singapore, not-created, to launching album. Oh, that, yeah? Wow, I'm going, don't, I've never, to Singapore. The people, ma'among, ma. In here to Singapore, you're,

And so, well, but I've been no, no, no, no, you know, you can't come here? No, I'm not to do. I'm sorry to come here, my name after. At least. At the Walter Manganzidi.

Borken, no, the Kahnka, that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But you've ever had been here, yeah, before you've been

at Walter Mangan Sidi, yeah. Yeah, I'm not. That's just to go to come. Oh, that, I'm going to, so, yeah, you're going to get to be I said that's test. So they gave a song, I'm sure to try, okay, okay, yeah.

Yeah, then they'll just be told them. Tom, Lusa to Singapore, go, wow, passport, don't have been put up to, there's passport. We're getting, that's got it, and then, I'm going to be able to gogur, make, put, to get-tank of police, because we're taking the jaleur-jury.

Yeah, because, I've got, to go back to Singapore, and that's the agate also, because the jeput, right, we're going to go to Singapore. But it's not very bigasa. If I look, that I've got to meet, I'm a music that, but you have guts.

Yeah, right? First time to go to the other-negrie, we're at the Pemps, we put in the Pemps, and from there, I, with the isri, with a friend who's who, to look at the people. Yeah, right? Yeah, right?

Well, I'm sorry, yeah, was it like a cacao, like. Wow, English is, it's, but I'm really, but that's, that's just, that's making that, yeah, Bob Marley just,

English's not good, but can't do you know so, so. So, the point is how it's make people can't, even he's got

English, not even better than English, Jawa. So, yeah, well, I think, just, just, just like, just, it's just now, again, it's been on the gung, already on the other than you. But, but, after the case of the fact that, that's made I meleck, that's just the time, right we asked the album solo. But, but, before album solo,

we're doing the Bali Launch, now, when Bali Lawns, take, vocal, can it's just two-day, from the music, the lyric, and take it's all two-day, with Nicholas. Who's who's? Bruno, Marina, Nicholas Rastrol.

Marina, right. That's straightforward, that's true. Every I'm saying, the nada that's all right, the language not bad. And then I said, I said,

that's, but Marina, but, but, I'm not going to you know like, like,

people, people, or the people know what you're I'm just, I'm just because of it. But it's really, it's more than it's the album to get-deghaner much better than actually, when we're performing in Java jazz, well, people gyrin I'm not only English,

and I'm going to use English, and I'm javoured by English, I'm going to say, they're saying, wow, yeah, can't bansa Indonesia! That's really really, it's really, really,

I'm really, really. I was there, I'm not look, too. Gila. Yeah, remember when in the room in the Nicholas, like tick, I'm saying, try, there, there,

there's a thing that there, yeah, right, but I don't know, if, Tom, yeah, if I saw at the a while,

the career music, there's, there, that's a different, and that, and that,

to the other other than it's Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of naked, if you're thinking if you think of think, now, if you're going to be successful, but T, T, J'i, Jalbys, yeah, right, how, metamorphosa?

Yeah, in many things in music, I'm learning by doing, sir. Yeah. Now, what more lucule, So when I was... Because in Nicholas, the process Recamance was really we're both-belled-one.

So I'm looking really, he's doing what, oh, t'eroged to be like this? Pullang from there, I bought software. I, I collect it myself. Now, album T, process recamation,

we still made Nikolas, when I was, because I'm still still, I'm still feeling PD, he's got to come. He said as a producer when he's got to help the process of recamance, and we're taking the place

Patita, right? Yeah. I was meeting, at the can'tore, and he pangle with you, M. Yeah, yeah, the point that's,

I'm, I'm going to see what he's doing what he's doing. Yeah. What he's doing, he's, I'm hapahing, I'm doing, and I cutt,

then, and then, album Tisles, I, I've done it. After that album is I've done it, I've got to be able to get up to the album to the last, I've done it's done the same, process take, and the raw mix, I've got to mixer engineer, mixing engineer,

to help you work for the other I've done for what I've done. I want to sound this, but it's very raphing. Because I've got to puttong, what's not really, And I have got to have time for the time. So far, yeah, that's the process of the guide. So far, yeah, that's the process of the

so much, so I'm looking, and I'm trying to be able to, so I'm not going to do the studio, three days I'm nongronging, but then I'm going to school, sore I'm going to geter again to that. How do you balance between school with music,

the time? Rassan... Maybe you, Tom. I've never, Tom, you know, you know, but don't look, but don't know if you're going to get because because of the school

I'm going to, that's going to, I look up to you, like, I look up to you, I'm going to look up to you, I'm looking at. From, from from the time, Pat Gita, when we're

talking about, I'm going to say, I'm going to be like that. That's... ...like mabok, like, gongongue. No, no, no, no, no, but... Sober, really, that's... It's...

I'm going to come to Indonesia and will be going to be a minister. I don't know if we think that, but that's... ...that I'm going to look, I must learn, what, yeah, ...but what, what, what, what, what, what, what, the word, like,

like, like, like that's determined, like that's more than the more than the other than the other than the President, when I'm trying to get in the President, I'm trying to get-de-de-ke. I never came to Patita when we're going to be, because in the law-Rail, I'm not willing to be able to get-deged. Because I'm not, not, want, oh, people other people think,

wow, monta-menta-menta-menter, I'd be named-nepel, to have to beck. Yeah, I don't want to be able to come. I mean, I was going to come. That's right. That's the time, that's about, we can make a little. Yeah, that's.

So, yeah, there's process. How, Tom, to balance? Oh, yeah. Yeah, because that, you know, when you like to do something you like, you'll not get in something you like, you're not going to get to be.

Yeah, proof of it, because I'm going to music, I can't even not tidur, but I'm going to beulang-jaga to have, you're just so much. That's I'm doing while Everyone's all right The way, oh, do you're lauded

Too, too, I'm too, capea-pahed-a-cabot. And I can't be able to cabot. If I'm not able to gethulus, so I can't be able to get-a-sabot. So, the way to be Ard from there. Now, come from there, people other people who are doing the music. Wow.

But, because it's just, not get to get to be. But even, maybe, the body is just be hajured gila-gelaan, so. So, that's just like just just so. So I always say, why can't say, if I'm going to be able to,

it's not even. So, like it's just like it's just, like it's just like it. This is just with curiosity, and, and then, and, and, and, it's like, that's like,

that's the same, same with filmmaking, same with the doctorate. The doctorate, is the same, like necunin music? At the end, three-bun-p-stombed I got,

so when I got the BOMPTN, lulus, I'm going to lose FQUY, I'm saying, I mean, because of the UMPUI's, actually because of the Krui's right, there's a lot of the Kampung, and I'm at PTOC in Bandung when that. Now, this is a little bit,

before you're coming to that, yeah. In ACE, I'm, can, if Bimbel, there's a test UMPTN, like test pura-pura, like, test pura, that, ranking my ranking is always good, you know, ranking is always, to the block block,

10th of the A. Yeah, we're pretty, we're doing, BATN. S'A LATAN, I was going to to bring in TAM. BANDU. BARREN, we're doing 10 a rumbongan one school I've been back to Bandung

in SUNYSugemi College, at ITB, in Summur, TES, this, MinguP, we're at test, all it, trial, trial, try out,

I'm like it's got up. Pungumann Jumat. I'm trying in Papan Punguam, it's up from the end to the end, I'm trying in Pappan Parenthood, because if I'm at all. I see, ah, I'm not get to know the pampan the last, the last, that's name.

Wow. Wow. Wow. Why, come back, I think I, if I'm too euphoria with that, Well, that's the case. Reality check. Wow, I was, that I'd,

that's right, I'd go to go back, and then, no, no, no, no, like, rung-glae. Sertie bimbinga tests, we're doing at Puechrane, we're doing at M.B and then back in Sourn, then, after solace,

all the time, after after, after M. Then, B, subo. B., that's been like a rung-gila. Then, I'm PTA, I test in Bandung. So, when when I'm going to lose,

I'm going to be able to do, I'm going to be able to do, I'm going to be able to do, Yeah, yeah, not know ranking but that's well, so that's just, so it's... So, it's... How many, Tom, episode like that's... You've got, kind of confident,

then, to pleset, and then banged again? If academic, maybe that, if, if... If non-academic, when lomba Baca Pooysi, so I, too, during, the time SMA, if it'siland, if I'm going to bea Pumacher of the same one of the top of the school, the guru's very much more than we're trying to,

so, so, Ache, so in ace, so omonging to be like, soomonging is, like, he's going to be here, the jurorah, now, and then, that's not, well, the other, there's still, my arrogance, that's in the head of my head, I'm very much, I've got, I've got, because I'm going to, because I'm going to ask for the other that's all I'm garrin, even my friends,

I just like, Tom, Tom, I'll replicate what I'm doing what I'm doing. So, when the long, it's like hanged. Wow. And I'm not won't, the other one. This is one. What I've done in the final, too, not. Wow, that's, that, really kind of like tamperan.

In the, since it, it's like, like, like, you know, like, Tuhan, you're not, you don't give the gree of the head, that's the greek, important, Okay. If you're still, music, is still going to be on the doctorate, I'm going to know about our name,

Glenn. Yeah, right man. A dear friend. I think, that, that's that that's Aangga to me, that's you and Glenn. Who recommend me to Glenn to recommend

Anga to recommend Anga? That's you, Tell you. This is more about me about me abouty, but this, but this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this is your friend, Sandy, Anga,

this is great-ca, creator-creator content that's so much. So, I know Glenn that because when Glenn began active, active, um, um,

um, he's doing the concert, and somehow they telephone me, I'd say I'd help you for the acara and I always help, but but we're still in the way that we're not like brothers, you know. Now, before moving to get back

that time we did three or less than, which is I telephoned yeah, Glenn, I have project, this, and I'm thinking, you're having from the direction of this. Wow, I'm in, he said, and then, let's get into, So when you're with ideas,

idea, right, man, man, so, so the idea that's going to, like, this, this, this, or the idea that's the idea that's the idea that's being more than we're being music. So it's not like a garrayolusory. That we're telurkan to pangung and other and other. Yeah.

In there, I'm more than he. Debted it's, it's, it's very, that. But there's one that makes me that's always I've always I've always taken to my people. I'm not ever, I'm going to be with what's the same asmarrae because of his mind.

It's like that's more respect to me. So I'm going to keep up. He's about, I hear you, but I never know what's what I'm saying? No, I never, I never say chee-e-in. You can be it's been like that, but he's not ever. So maybe that's the same, for the more than we're getting, now, some of the time, now, this is related to the idea of the pastime we're to make people.

They make film, the Chahe from Timur. The money is abysed. Glenn telephone my time 12-mallam 1, 1,000 1st, 1st, 1st,000, like, I just said, I've been able to be able to be able to be able, and then I was able to be able to be able to be able to be. What's, what, Tom? Can you pay them? Aem, pa, minted.

Then I said, I'm, wow, gila, you're doing. I, I'm saying, but then I'll payer how, I'll say, I'll payer it's going to. And then, we're going to beer this. No, no, no, I'll payer, pocone. Uh, then, if you're going to payer the money, you know, then if you're going to, then we'll, if you're, if you're going to,

if you're, if you're pragmatic, man, Yeah, ah. How is, how about, how about, so, it's, causeyant, you know, in the other, the logistic, abysed, there's, we're going to, it's not going,

that's, that's, it's just to beckyrious, yeah, so, I'm going to becky yeah, like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to be in the

way to come in our way, like, if you're going to make in the way of it, you're going to be around, I'm I'm like, how if we can't make up, we want to help in funding?

Wow, if that, don't, de. Yeah. But he said, if that, that's not, why? That's not. Why?

Yeah, because I'm not I'm not so much I'm not so much about him import, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I'm I said I, I think you, I think you, I'm not know.

Try this, I'm just, I'll get to meet you with Pa Gita. Because, we've got to come back that. Tom, I think I'm going to talk with this, this, this, this. And then they'll ask what, I'll answer. Then I'll say, I'm like, I'll just say, okay, I'll have to be happy, stop and you're going to talk with us, you're talking about what you, you'll ask you, if you're not like, you'll cut.

But if you like, you'll go on you, oh, that's right, right, okay. Not all right, okay. Okay, okay, got to be able to say, wow, t'ryl't this, this is not like in the head in my head of my way, yeah, yeah, because your head not to where, I said, you're going to be together, like, gita is this, like,

now, you have you confirmation, don't. It's just so, there are three people who are this is right but you have to check man. You have to check, man. You know, yeah, yeah, all right, then. But, but it's not to talk to, but not. That's not. That's also about funding, but not about the

but not about about it. No, but, but this is the thinking is same, but not, but if we're just not, if, if we're just, don't, so, this is, this, people are to know that because, Sometimes we're doing,

we're doing that's not too bad, it's not too bad. Because referenty that we're not very distorsy. Yeah. We don't know, there's other why that's what it's true. Not that's the putusan that's right,

but that is the way that right that's the way that this, this, that's the one time that, this, when I was sure, no, I'm going to, I said, I'm just like, Brieh, Pagita, that's not anamin, nanom inyaping garam,

production of the land, or anything, that's not. Tugas Minister of Pardagangang, to must make, how much how there. While you're making, how you, you'll, don't. Nanty, if you've got to be able to do, it's just, but, but, but, but,

but, but, but, but, but, I'll get-ed-ed-a-law. Now, the bigot, now, the end up the second, Glenn, I ask, Anga. Yeah. Begit, that's, like, it's like to flip, like they're like they're more than with me, like, then I'm just.

Yeah, I'm just, I'm just. Yeah, I'm just saying, now, can, see, there's, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe, you know, not, but, but, it's completely wrong, I said,

There's always that's why that. But with we know, we can't get to be made. That's, I think, that's the way of our time. That's one of the one of the one. Now, back to Triolestari. This, Glenn, is the one of the soul of the story of the story Triolestari. To the other Glenn.

It's very important, right? Just the answer is, actually, actually, is the question. Because Glenn, that is the body, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, we can't die,

but yeah, we still, we're still with, with spirit that's not there, that's, yeah, even, even, we also,

we keep him there. Yeah. Because we're doing something, we're like to work in something, we're always, we're always, if Glenn there, he's going to, not?

So, so, maybe, the rega got no, but the people are to bempel, and he's, and he's,

it's not, it's not much in the other than the other than to get on the other, so, so, it's, it's, it's replaceable,

Okay, we'll switch topic, yeah. I'm like, you know, about you're going to beaubedas-plastic, doctor-bedah plastic, doctorate and, this, we're going to have something unprecedented, COVID.

How can you? How do you know, on COVID, on global, and in local, COVID, more than 40,

people who've got to be in Indonesia, 300,000. COVID this is a problem that, actually, for anyone, even in the country that's even not yet, not any of what, to be in what,

but, but, but, with we we're to learn the character COVID that it's,

we should we can modify the way we're Now, that's what I see. That's what I'm not being in the government, like, what I think,

I'm not much treatment that's being on the right this that's right that, but not applicable. So, the problema'

not in, not-pap-and-paw-in-pain. They've got-pank-paw-in, the government is because it's applicable. This, you know, the government is too medawasaking the world, in order for me, in order, they'll be able to they'll be able to be like,

help, help, help, people, we're not be doing that. We're not going to be doing that. We're going to be able to do that. So, I'm not, so, yeah. So, I'm not in, I think, uh,

So right now the government has to make sure how to deliver ideas of their to be done with better to be able to be able to be the idea, but the plasanation is

big, how can't be it? There's panang I'm, I'm, I'm, what, yeah,

we all, we're all of there's powerful and better, can't make sure, that's about the body, but I think I'm not to be serious, that's more than more than serious,

not even more, the vaccine is a one that's one that's very very, now, this COVID, but, it's too, it's too gaug-gawonged

back, that's, it's a risky, and, what's the the person's, actually, I mean, it's the idea, I mean, it's probably, sir,

I asked to Pauliolwil, I asked, while I'm giving him critiqued when I was, I met him there, I said, I said, I'm sorry, yeah, if I'll give you, I'm giving a musk-a-lawfulied about Indonesia will production vaccine on a billion-secret, and and all will be sentic by the month

And so that's about optimism that's good, but but be careful, you know-law-all-allah that's really, it's absolutely, once it's not to be made, well, the nettingen.

And then will be said, as well-ah-oh-long, penipu. But, and, because, he's, he'll be nanankan-can the people, yeah, let's, let's, we've got, vaccine's like this. But maybe delivery of the way, it's just 100% percent,

because vaccine actually doesn't even get because of the vaccine just haven't yet. Now, what's been persuid, Pat, this virus is permutation with quick. Vaccine is like the key and the lobanks. It has exactly the same. Begito, there's a little, there's choice a little,

can't get it's not just like that. Vaccine is also like that. He's maybe okay for typical genies serotype this, the A. Begutarche, or A, what's the name, it's, it's, now, so far away this, serotaping is, now, we've been for all serotip.

What, for all the same, it's not just, it's not even. So, I mean, I'm not just saying, But I'm not really realistic, yeah, realistic and we're more than we're more than be more than to bea-hated-hated, so that's not to be able to optimism that want to be able to be it,

it's like, that we're going to be wrong. This, if you're going to be a vaccine, there's a few, the first, of, production. Yeah. The two, commercialization. The three, affordability.

The four, the distribution, the five executions. This, this, can, this is quite, catapestia. We're not in fact that we're not doing the problem the best of the United, sir, sir, sir, man. I mean, in the experiment, it's not clear, right? Yeah. And, and...

And... And... And... And... ...their later, uh, beritania, yeah, uh, several vaccines that's tried to stinty-and, it's, it's made people die of people. It's notarca of the death

after the vaccine, it's not that's the same, or not I'm going to get rid of the term. But, but, yeah, the mainjewal vaccine it's not as a jambangue than I'm pasty.

So, not can't be able to work a baron, and then, then, then, can't be no, but not be it. Inshaalah, the production, this, kinslong, yeah, but,

but there's tap-a-taping than other. As long the product has, the, uj clinis-inism has been left, Productions is right? Yeah.

What's the thing is the right? Right. So, product is the clinic if you're in other, it's a lot of the other, it's not really, because of the pandemic it, that's how? There's, there's a gettersheas-guesa-gast.

Now, I'm that's the thing, that's been that's been, but we can't know, if it's actually that's been done it's done to work on jow-jouhary I'm not too. I can try and with margin of error in every topan in, it's the end-oogunuching is okay,

this is the samepurna, production is a superna, and commercialization is a bit, superna, and then, maybe it can be given to Wamena. But in Wamena, there's there,

there's a perawatt that can't you untick? If that, I think, no, no, no. No, no. Because the work unyuntik is like like immunization. But we're just like immunization. That, on the level it, I think, easier.

Easier. Much easier. What realistic, how can be vaccine? Wow, I'm not know if that. If that's... If I'm about 300 to 400,000 per day. If you can be a 1,000, ideal.

But I don't know. So, in Indonesia. So in Indonesia, I think, can be more, Oh, yeah? Yeah. Because that's, because, you know, That's like like like people who just, people just for us.

Okay. That's good news. Yeah, the-ilum-yuntik's, no, no, no-lis-is-is-a-lis. Okay. So, if we're not being trained, like, if you're not, but not, but,

it's not a doctor or per-wad. And, the jumblach, I think, if I'm just for just to nuntik, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not just about that, so, that, that's just about that. That's not, nung-un-suntik, just, just, just-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-but-d-d--l-----butt,

There's something that's a bit about, but usually is the problem is the right here is the product is the right? So, but production is it right, yeah. Now, the way of your new normal, like, how, with the notepastion about about what? Yeah, actually, not from what we've already we've done, so, we've got to do so, we've got to do so we're just to get ajarra, Because we've already tested, I've got tested,

and we're negative, so I'm afraid to be able, but even if we're still to take a distance. At least we're about 2 meters or even, so if we're in dropletes, if we're OTG, we're still safe. Yeah, it's to get that, just to get ajarat,

then, maskeran, to wash the right, not only for vitamin D. Indonesia is most, the majority of the vitamin D is the right. Now, this is the wife's in the clinic, so we're just talking about that. So, so, if we're going to check. If vitamin D is good, the immune is good. So, people just think vitamin C, though. Now, there are vitamin D that's very important for immune, immune to the body.

So, that, so that. What other, what we have to have the public. Now, this is that's not even with detail, sir. So, I see how I see, the government has made the government again when I was going to put in Pocchioi.

Yeah. Policin that's made the government is still, and each of gregarderate, so, So, for the department of the Dinesas forbunan, or who, who are the people who are in the other,

and that's the other, right, right, we're not, we're not going to be able to a room in a room. Imagine, if a company, that's a, like,

in, uh, making, that's, people are rame. Now, if the people, if the people, they're not in terms of,

because, they're going to get restaurant. production of a few pieces in one week, for the same way, so much, people who are working from around from 9 p. 5 o'er.

Now, if the government not make-sacred people who are dis-split, yeah, it's not going to be from their from, they're from from-uped, the place they're not-nuped

so, so, menackan the way of the pain-ebaran-penacheting So, so the government not just just about just about pergaulant that has been that's like what's been given given to gung can.

So, there's regulation in the country, that must have been doing times to get back, down. So, it's been really detailed, the company that's already 500 cariwan, because he's got to the restaurant, it means the job of the job of the job,

it's more than, so, yeah, so nine to nine. There's two shifts, back, half shift malem. Or three shifts. Yeah, or three shifts. Yeah, Yeah, so that's the quota is to be split, that's what I've been in the other, I see.

But this is not going to economy, it's just. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but now, the example of the bioscope, yeah, the bioscope, it's just to be able to Jakarta. Quotas, it turned, only only about 25%. I'm going to my friend who has had been I'm not even if we can't unututut.

Buka to must be rugged. It's just 25% that's still ruggie. He's just having a CAC's not just 25%. So, yeah, yeah, no, it's not able. Wow. Now, as long as the vaccine is not clear, and then this is already even eradication with it,

all services that sifted-like-upon-supperti, that will be it, we've gotting-died-it-a-pastiened on some about about the top-an, not even if there secondary outbreak. Yeah, right, if there's mutation that can be extreme. And what I've heard, that's up until now,

just said that's not even because SARS, it's just about, it's in August or September, in 2003. It's come on October 2002, but, but, still still haven't been there's a mystery. And this, 19, this, mutation from SARS, COVID-19. Now, that, yeah, we need to,

not much of the pastyant. If you're the solution, if the other, what's the solution is what, then, and then, not can't be mutation again, that's more extreme. That's, you know, if we're in business,

there's a name's financial projection, and assumptions that, it must be letacken. That's still going on, it's going to, in business, in economy, that's in in in in We want to be it's not a certain-pastien. Yeah, that's the PRN.

New normal is, it's not to be able to be it, but I think, and I'm still be able to assume, just in just about 300 to 500,000 people per-day, a month, 9,000, a year, 100,000?

If the vaccine, it's, I think, problem solved, too, problem solved, yeah? Problem solved, if it's, if it's, it works, yeah? If it works, recovery, economy, it's just as far as if it's not, what we're going to modify is the way of our life we. I, I mean, I was thinking,

I'm going to make a clinic, we're like making a clinic cabang many from beautiful that I've had. And then, then, and then, safety's how much? Because, want to go ahead and other, like, gym now, like, gym, now, where I'm going to be. But if they're more repot a little, yeah, that's, we're going to, we've got to,

we've got to take, we've got to be able to work people who are coming. Separation of the people, perhaps, even bioscope, I'm in myrocero, if I'm going to keep up, can bea-tutarche, too, so, sir, so, pa. So, in the down,

there's, oh, there's, oh, there's glass, glass-keal, yes. If not, man, if, if, if, like the body of the air-lebar, so we're

just out of the air-like all of the other than all of all right, all right. Yeah, yeah. When he's out, it's right. Dis-infectant, it's just like in the there's circulation. Yeah, so it's just, if we're just that,

if we're still, that's there. If not, yeah, so long the vaccine that's not, we're, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, that's,

now, now, Yeah, like now we're the other than healthy first. Health. If I say health. Yeah, right? Two-two-two-necourt now. You're the one? Health or economy? I said, from the first, I'd say,

yes. I'm just the problem is, not lockdown that's extreme, because we're really, we're really, we're not going to batasin. with the way that's really, that's not really, not just because of the and there's facet.

I've been back down my and the family, about about about two, three of the beginning to, at all the way, but, actually, it's like, it's not even like it's like this, because we're not sure, if, if,

if it's the economy also, it's going to per-buruk economy. It's, it's, but, but, but, the billan economy, people are, And then, and it's like,

like the lot of theathe. But it's just to be able to-oam. But it's really, to be able to take. What is the other what we're doing with what Taiwan, Taiwan, Taiwan,

Taiwan, that cendorung, this, man, I'm, tenderung, the, uh,

if it's, if they're not, manud, So that's when I said, don't come out of the room, keep in the same, that process of thinking more

we're more than we're too different. We're different, different, different, different, and there's

different, different, we're different, we're going to be back, we're going to see that we're in the television,

We're just like that. So that's what's the different. So, don't be used to make sure other people who are the other people for, A, B, C, D, D, and we're not just enough with anjuran, if there's something more tegous, like. But, but I've been going to,

Mr. Jogoghawu also said, why, why, like, make just the way just the to the purpuner, so that's more, if it's, if it's, the entire, or police,

to be able to we're going to so, but not be, because, there's, there's, and there's

not that, don't be- -puk-and- don't-not-and- don't-not-and-as-tank- because if it's repot-gust-gut-gurusin' but at least

there's patrolling to get-in-in-in-git- If you're like in the way, but if you're in an apparate, then, it's just the tasking. Now, I'm not know, so. Now, if, if, weekend, see, L.A. has already, it's, already, it's already, yeah.

Aparet, with the tentara, or police, who, you know, against people, people, like, so every day, so I'm seeing they're gonna be able to get, and then. And then, yeah, if it's from the first

to do it, I'm going to do it. Yeah, now, now better do than not. Not even though. Tom, if you're going to be about genetic, how do you know, the other? That's... This is the...

...their-in-in-the-of-stree-as, but... But, but some of the discussion, we can, we look at in the film, now, about how re-cahyasa genetica. And, this, like, more than the other than the backal of the situation,

so they're gonna be able to make what, they're can't be made, they're making, in the re-cahasa. They're who can't be able to be able to beaum, that's as a long as a musim. Thailand, there, no, we have musing buas, there, manga, can go and mangahs, and mangah is good, and I'mgues, I'm going to see,

why can't, but I can't, bintic just, not there, There's a lot like like this is a buo-bua-bun or not. Sementara we're in here, we have been there are big-bidding. So, that, that's, maybe, like, in their agriculture, has already, there's a re-cahaw. It's not, we're going to go to that. Why not?

Now, that's it's to ask the Minister of Petanian, we're, because we're in our careasah. We're not as a gener that's in there, Or maybe, or even if it's actually there, but what's the good in export, the bit of bit of the bit of the big of the thing, I'm not too, that's not too? Now, Pat, that's what about? If we were, why?

Why, why? The thing we're not out, sir, just, like, there? There. There, but the scale of, not as massive what's what maybe in Mexico, or Filipino. Because, if we're in the supermarket,

we buy the piemort, it's like a lot more than things, but it's like bintic bintic, although it's not even though if bintic that's mened or notherst, or not even if it's not even if you're that's not great,

when in airport, Bangkok, yeah, right, on duty-free, you can, wow, perfect, that. Pinker the land only

back, wow. Yeah. And manis not manis, not. What's been done with buahs, it's also is done to do with human.

Yeah. So, if it's in the big of plastic, so that's very much now is stem cell treatment. Yeah. Now, in Indonesia, sadly, still still,

still, still, still, also, as experimental in the course of peddickan, but if it's

not going to be able to the time, it's got to come to come up to come to come very, It's very hard, America still. America, the regulations still still as well as

menacell still as well as well. But if in Iraq, it's up, we're many people, some people that's the area of our people who, that's coming to the stem cell doma, d'omba, senticin to bade the body. I think, I'm just,

I'm just, I'm just, because, I think that's a kind of, it's a kind of with a concept, not consistent, I think that's a manuice is from a cell stem cell, so there's cell benign, cell that's the cell that's the same, the cell, that's the way,

the time, it's from, it's from, it's all of that, that's the theory of embryology that, you know, now, yeah,

we're going to doma, we're going to be so, if I'm going to analogiced from there, it's, it's, to modify from whatever. But if it's from the cell they're

it's maybe. And it's already much of the penitian now. So, it's already much, in Singapore, there's been bank, organ bank, for the palisar and placenta, we're giving to us to-a-pacetka

that's the time we need that's a while we need with stem cell. Two organs are the kind of with stem cell. Now, Now, it's now, on the body that's the same cell in fibroblous cool it, it's still there, in the lemak, it's still there stem cell.

At the PRP, in plasma, there, also, the number not much, not as much on placenta or talibusurbaing. Now, that's what's now is now, I'm doing for ya-it, we're derived, then, the processing, but we can't applycassication it's a lot of, Because as a treatment, it's not by regulation. But this, Tom, in the in the state, there's a genome,

there's one of two hundred thousand genes, plasma, a pomebubbawat. This, if we can, if we can't, or hear, this has been done, re-caiasa, to the mapping gene. It's going to do cut and paste, edit, and, and, and, and, even,

even, even, it can doxing genome, it's can do with a lot more than than before, too. That's for the important to be a good-and-and-a-buycan or to beaiccan manusia to-depan,

that, Tom? This, kind of intersecting with morality, spirituality, and, and, like, and, like, how you? That's how much, sir, That's not. If I'm not, I'm not if I'm not want to make up

something if it's not even to be perbuyki. Yeah. Yeah, that's really, that's really, because, because, yeah, at the basis, man, man, I think,

good, if it's in the NACASA with the gen, the man, the man, can't be able to people, Of course, but it's not that's,

back again, back, again, it'll be able to be able to be in the moralities and spiritual, so, agama, see. NERIE, but, agguesary. Yeah, because, if you're, because the issue is the issue is like, don't play as a god, right?

Right. To be there, is, actually. But, but... But... But, but... But, but... But, but... ...biddain that,

than gasy of... ...a don't... Oh, better. If you can, we adjust our body, yeah, so that's just to down the temperature. We're doing about genetic coding? Yeah, but that's not more, not more than the endung.

Okay. This is more remedial, if Panadol. Okay. So that's, that's what we, what we touch, that response to the body, yeah. If this, not the indung that's the,

host the modified. And the research is, probably, because we don't know, stability, right? That, if it's modified that, if it's more retent, not it's, can be mutation, be more than the other than the other,

more than that? Amper pasty. Amphi-pasty, and that's almost, that's, well, because, because,

To be able to be it's still, that's already in the same un, yeah. If you've got to be able to publish, if they're just not published. But how do you know, if in some of the regulations, it's a bit liberal,

on the halal, Europe, mostly. And in Asia, there are some there, China, maybe, yeah. So, so, and if they're

they can make We can code genetic, which is the IQ is 800, and the time the two meters, can make basketball like LeBron James. That's crazy. Now, how we can be able to be able to renegotiation for the work with economy multilateral? Yeah, we're going to beaunting,

because they're more efficient, more productive than we than how, that's how much the level playing field? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. If it's even if it's like that, yeah, there's probably, there's another, it's, it's, it's, this, this,

this, and, action in the laboratory, to make up to the IQ of people. And, in, to, IQ-a-k-1-1-1-0. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah? Well, it's not even genetic recording.

And if we want to create a macaqueatholic or manusia, so that he's playing golf like Tiger Woods, I've ever said, that's a pelary from Ethiopia and Kenya, it's actually, there's anomali, where hemoglobin, it's more much. So, so he can transportation oxygen more. from paru-paru to sell, that it's, that it's like that.

So, that's like that. So if we want, pelari-plari, we're going to win in Olympiae like that. So, so that's the homoblea, that's more than you're saying.

You're playing God. But this, if you're going to go, we're doing, we're going to, we're, we're. Maybe we're just. Maybe we're just. We can't be

We can't be in the context of science, or economy, or what? Well, then, re-caiase of genetics, not as a bit of science, even to gift, even to back-and-notes. Because, being that's, maybe, not there's a metta-a-a-a-ta-a-ta-ta-a-ta-ta-ta. Like, talent music,

in genetic, maybe, there's a pet-the-so. Oh, we can, sequence genome of your, then, then, we'll, we've, two, even topi quadrat, right? Yeah, right, much better version of...

Yeah, that's a lot of... Oh, that's a great... That's the question is, that's same like this, sir. But, this, Tom, context is, how, so, so that Indonesia, this is being a big

great. Yeah, right? Yeah, If I was, I'm... If I'm... Well, I'm... But right-in-a-pennedicant is, I'd like,

still PR-ter-blessed in this country. If I'm in my opinion we're too much, social science, not empirical science. Who much? Who's going to be doctor, that's not as much we'd like we'd, who's ashtro-physicist,

not as much we'd like we'd like. If I'm more... If I'm more... More basic than that, If I'm like that's too far as far as far as far as I'm too far as I'm I'm basically, because I'm doing because I'm in the S.D. School of the curriculum of the

then, then I'm, so I'm going to be doctor. Then I flashback again. From what I've learned, are really not, mostly not? Now, problem is, all of the guru-gur-guerouser my

learning the other other other. Guru PPKN, you're not as much as much as much as much as the mathatica, guru oligua as much, so, so, it's important. Yeah.

So, what's the burden to, is the, Dad, is, Pat. Now, in the, that, well, the system of the system of the education, it's not because you want to know what, you'll, you'll learn in this.

Bucan just. So let's just what's just what's going to be, because of the capacity of the otok is to burrow, that's going to be able to be it, not very because it's going to be it's like customized, but can be made a peckonpoken. If you're making per individual, it's not much, but if with the approach of group, peer group,

it's possible. And, now, at international school, you've, In one of one of the school that I've developed by M. Najila Shihab, in, in Dicakal, they've already worked in that. Peer group. Yeah, so that's the same to the extent of them. They're learning how they're doing with how. Anac who, oh, sunangely, be black, pergaret, if they're doing with a lot of people,

the gurus'ammerhat. Gurrush, it's supposed to be a man who's not a child, but that's how he's about. But the people kind of like that's kind of darwinian, well? No, not, can't see. If the child, can, that's not just,

it's not just, man, so when he was going to make two weeks first, and then, it'll be a week, like, this, this, okay, and then,

so. So, Then she's visual, the guru's personatis who is a picture always, for example of my wife's my wife, he's visual very, he's visual. He's looking, so if we're learning metabolism of the body of manus, there's a cyclose craps.

It's really like, what we're, energy, our energy, our, we allahs like what, the rataignet, it's about it's about it. I've got to be able to say, because of the time I'm not going to be able to get about, he's about, he'll just know. He can't read in book where,

howlama, howlera, that's photographic. He's like, oh, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. But, but, can, like this, if he'd get in the class

the guru who's noce, not so, Bodo. So that's what is rightyredin, so. So, that's not really there, what, what, what, what, what's the — what's important, — —segara, very important. But, is all about — how detailed that?

— you know, the questions of all of the ujian, where DiPonegoro, where is born. So, for what I know, where I'm from where? What's what he did he do. What he did he do? What I know is, Diponogoro, is a person who is like this is this is for the this is the way that he

careying, it's important but he's like where, the name of the bapa-ibu-iubuie that's what we need to know not that we have to know for the details yeah, you know, there's resources to be sure

but don't be making question. So, so, this, this is, this is that I don't see, the system of our

you must know all of them. So, it's not know what I'm saying. So, because of the people, we're going to get around. We're going to get in, we're still in Jakarta, we're still in Indonesia.

Yes, when you're going to be able to make people who are all of them so, sir, you know? You know, one of one of the favorite,

my time, men chongak. What that? Now, you know, I don't know, no-tong-and-cong-to-just-not-a-a-paw-paw-k. Not-n-paw-hap. We're trying to dolead kuping andotak. That I'm the most like, because I'm like,

yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'd like, yeah, I'd like, two, two, two, two, how do you know, what? Wow, that's the most of the most of the most of the most. Oh, that's the name of Menconga.

That's no one. That's been there's long enough of a lot of time. Yeah, that you know, it's been in the last year, that's in 2005, 76, SD, class 4, class 5, class 6, there, that's still, there, no, that's the clobareranck. That, cool, really, too.

I'm like that because of this, because of my friends that I know, like when we're in a class, we're like, we're in a class, or not, version of our time that. In class my ranking 20, the range of the same thing that's the one the most of the way that we're going to be

that my friend's not really, so that he's going to be able to Japan. So, he's going to be who's the top, then. And I'm thinking, who's what's the other, But it's not even though, but he didn't know how to learn the system of the education is not matched with him. Yeah.

When he's to Japan, this is a brilliant and now I've got to teach him all right. This is there, there's something, I'm saying, why you're going to be able to be. Why you're going to be it? That's when I was going to be. And I said, from, I've got to be it. But I don't like, because the guru's going to say this, I'm like I'm like I'm just like I'm not going to rebel.

And for him, ranking 30, ranking 20 doesn't matter, not important. There's no, no, ranking, with the success. And, and so, like, this, so, and so, because, maybe, I'm making meme,

the other than, the class, rather, because, because, bundle that's categorical, so-o-o-o-o-so-law, so now,

so, so, If you don't know, it can't even. Not just the setting. So how fix is how to the system our education our to the world that's that's great? Mentiary we have to be able to be it.

Okay, that's hard. And what's the fix is? And what's the fix is? That's what? Okay. That I'm just. I'm- I'm saying,

I'm saying that's the when I'm going to come back to I'm going to go on the way, build as well as well as based on the backat and the kind of thing I'm not going to get by-kali, I'm stressed. Oh, I can't be able to get back up to

because he's not back to back in fact that, he's not to be able to get-dook people, he's not tippo orang, he makes a pencatatance, the money, money, and report this is, it's enough,

if they're not, if they're not really if so that's so much to be music. Musician mathematics, but not not even if you're not to learn to beacar quadrat, algorithm, and all kinds of, it's not important. Now, what, what, I'm going to be able to be that. I'm thinking like that.

Now, because I'm going to say that's like that. Oh, he's a lot of them, because I don't have, what, I don't have, what, the time, the, I don't have, what, I'm going to, but how, yeah, but how much, yeah? I'm stressed. When he's the time of the time, compared to the friends'emann.

We're still, I'm back again. Look. I can't... I'm not doing that he's he's not using what he's what about what? Yeah. So, if they're doing,

so if they need, they can get the result of the life that way from other than he's a little bit more he's just, you, I'm going to pay it's for me.

Because he's more better to payin the people to pay for him So, he's not just, but we have three. Yeah. Yeah. One, the pediccane, it's top-bant. Now, now, now, three, how?

Yeah. Two, just got to be able to do. Oh, you're all right. Oh, that's all right. Oh, wow, because of you, he's playing music, Gian, also, playing music. She Gia, yeah, in the year, I was in college.

Mm. Mm. Do you know, do you think of the baby? Yeah, she's about how you, you know, you know, and you're doing... ...mean the kids, man, man, what, not-jolpah, but, but how, how,

so, how, this, we're going to be more, like, like, like, like, like, he, from the kid, making to be movie maker. Mm.

Mm. So, it's, it's, it's, the explosion, you know, how to make a good movie, make a good movie, right? Bulee, I've puteeratee some work with Bulee.

He, if he's a goblok, I'm just amput. Tukang legang of their chagued for ursandahed. But when the bandes, he's being what what what's what? Kira, kind of like that. Yeah, right? So, if they're a, he, ah, then... compartmentalized, silo. But there's also that could cross,

but there's one, but then, then, one, two, Mostly, even if there's a I'm as a plastic surgeon, we're at this is in here, we're just to understand everything. We're doing everything, and then I went to come from the conference in the other, and there's one of the other,

one from Japan, one from the U.S. and from U.K. Gondro, like, you know, you've done what's just, so when I got BiaS. Sidney, so I got to... I got to meet you. Right, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right.

That's right there was a person who's in the way of the workshop that's got, that there's got to come to a lot. Now, I'm going to sing, Jueita Malem, but... Duhlouhita Malam. Dutte Malam. Jukita Malam. That's it, it was just so, yeah.

Then they're going to do, what's just, you're just, same, and same as in school, time, and then I'm at least, this, this, ha, you must be genius, He said, you know, no, we're not. We're not, because they're not,

so they're not, so they're going to be able to do with, like, if professor, sheaf, especially for in that just to do-a-do-a-do-a. But we're here, you know, we're at a stasis of gung-tangu-tang, there's a set-a-a-clin-tidal, all of all kinds of we're doing,

but, but it's just that, because it's more superficial. But that, maybe, that's maybe she's just like that. No, no, my friends my friends. Oh, yeah? Yeah. All of my friends my friends are like,

so, if we're not just with them with other, we're doing like, like, like, yeah. Now, and then, in the phase of now, I've already, I've already practiced, I've had a clinic,

I've got Rinoplasty workshop in Turkey, I've got with doctors from other countries and other than other than in Miami, then we're talking to the class rhinoplasty, I'd hearin, and then, when I was in algebra, we talked about you. You're doing what you, I said about that. I told you're a rhino specialist.

I thought you're a rhino specialist. I'm also making the eyes, grazein breast. Wow, you must be genius, man. I said, no, all doctors in plastic in the country of my so, I said, So then,

the doctor in the country, you're just a genius, because for them, very difficult. You have to makeirmed in the brain, then you're making in brus, you're making up, you're doing for you're doing

repulsia, if you're going to be doing to give me, but it's just the truth of it, we're doing it, that's just. Now, they're not, if you're doing the mata, just.

Begittable to the other, okay, I'll deliver to, for the master here, yeah. Like that. Like that. Curious just, what's the, what,

All right? No, no procedure. All right? All right? Yes, but the most of the the other? It's the other, hard.

If it's all right, can do you can do what we can do but it's difficult. But so far, if so far, if in the the time I, the most I'm

that maybe not too familiar about Rhinelopee, operation, with using telangoran iga. Okay. We can, we can't get 1.5 cm, we can't get it's so that's a lot, iga'n't get much, and that's just to reconstructing the

But what you're doing, though, is it's actually editing, back to genetic. But not going to be it, pa, not the host-in'a-debatable. What I do is like, like, we take a bagu, just just I'm just to addang, that's it. That's it. That's aed. That's edict.

Augmentation. Yeah, augmentation is also same. I can't keep in time of the time. Yeah. But try, Tom. Giening not to be able. This is we can't make construction for the importance of the future

to come in the way, so we're kind. This, you, you, you, you, can, the kind of the film and, the current photographiness.

This, if it's out, it can be perkai narration Indonesia, And then you can, you can do you know, science, a doctorate. Yeah, can, it can't, it's to becky the power-tarick

people to the science. If, in Indonesia, it's not very yeah, right, yeah, can, scale of the scale, there, but, but, inbinding India, like, like, Tionk, Japan, Korea, South, Israel, and America, That's how, so you can be a per-peran?

Now, this is maybe a bit more than the temptation to bring back to bring back to the world to the right to better, can also to corridor politic. How, Tom? Nirmu this all, right? If you, if you're before you're, like, you're looking on Netflix,

it's just really, and that's really, I'm going to Glenn, see. And Glenn always goes, let's go to politics. I'm just saying, I'm going to getterricks to come to the world politics.

And, actually, period in the time, it's almost all, all, all, everything is already set up, the whole, what stopped you? My mom. I see.

Tiber, I'm I'm, niggas, don't know this, because of this. And, and I'm going to go to be around, like, right. Mothers are always right. Yeah.

Percaya with I'm magical, because if I'm magical, so. So, yeah, I'm going to be underestiming. I'm going to underestimate. I'm going to end up. And I'm trying to say, no,

because he's saying, he said, he said, he said, no, whatever's the not, this this this,

please, please, I'd okay, I'd like, okay, okay, so, sir. There's, there's a lot of people that... There's a lot of people who are there. Someweree, maybe, I'm going to look at, I'm consistent, that's going to, yeah.

Sure. Now, they're... Most of them, come, this, gina, gina. I'm going to meet, I'm going to... ...mulley, from the same funding the biopaniacampaigns, ...samee, to the payererererererer's funding So when I'm going to, if I'm going to, if I'm going to, if I'm going to

take after I'mapan, I'm going to, I'm going to live in politics. I'm going to live from project. So if I'm going to make, yeah, because I'm going to be I've done with myself. I've got to have what I've got to bea and the school has I've got to be given. Now, there's more, I'm going to russing the country, like that, like that. I'm going to say,

I think it's like that. So, so I'm not going to get to get money in there. But not just for wakkar do it. So when there's one of one party that's offered me to come up, I'll ask, the campaigner from where, this? Self-funding, or there's sponsor, or from the party? Oh, no, if we're in our state?

So, no, if we're doing it's self-funding. Okay, so I'm going to be-hung, I have to get up here's right about, right, mausufu. Gagy my, as a guy if I'm going to, if I'm out, I'm going to be like that. I'm out, I'm going to.

That's what I'm not. That's what I'm because if I'm going to work, I just want to work, I don't, I don't want to play project or whatever, like, I'm not not saying that's like that, but maybe they're, yeah, that's I said, what I said, they've been

done with it's done with it. So, it's all right, because I'm from one part of that. And then, then, nowaring, we'll, we'll help to find out of the sponsor, and then I've got sponsored, and I've got to, I'm saying, why you want to put out of the money, so many. The money is not a little, two digit, M, like. Then I asked, what, what, your expectation is what? Why, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm going to be,

okay, there's what I must I put in? If I yeah, I'm going to look at, I'm going to look at, it's not there. What he's going to, that, I mean, this, this, this, this, I'm really good, I just want, Mr.ompy,

help, perjuang-kong, to help, help, the pay payee-neagry, that has the best-to-beye. Yeah. If it's, if it's, from the way of the way of the way that's that I think that's what I'm going to look at

because I'm sitting in the bank of the people maybe, if it's not even better, yeah, there's been many of them who's been, but, dula, but the other's not to be back in the person that's great, in the person swastana in Bonavid, not to be able to the country, yeah, not, that's the fact that we'll see,

yeah. Now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, from a lot of people who's from the way from the country, which is good. That's what we want, that's what I mean. I mean, it must not have, the government, you know, if you're going to be able to get a country,

gaiji your, you know. So, prestige is great, gajiness, great, you can't live life, you, you've got this, this, that's what, that's not... I don't know, I don't know, I'm not like it's like to be it's about there's been a lot of people who are the people who are the best in the bidangna,

the jacca, we're the people who are the best in the so, the people who are the best of the even the head-desa. Kira-kra-kira like that. That's the man, I mean, it's the same. Oh, if that, and I'm just so I'm not like bekerja for her, we're. In Singapore, like that.

Oh, yeah? When you're doing the government, that's the gajuner is more than in the swastat. The minister, with the money, and the money, and that's about. And, the percrayan and the people are that are the best of the best.

Yeah, right. And, if they're out of the government, they can be accommodated in swastat. And, even, in the, what, name, the, they're in-your-in-career. in the more thanational. That's like that's like that.

Maybe not, is it like Indonesia that, ma'amucusing it's not, to the money fiscal. Yeah. Because if like that's not in the not asok, that's, President, in gage, just so much,

so you're gulses, the number of people that's so much about, I'm not so much, I'm not so. Timpang. It's, how that's how much, to make people not to get a hardviah's not for the

human being godin' god. Yeah. Pagita, now, as now, then, just about people from where, money from where, million dollars. And then, but we're just in gaijured,

as a lot of money, whether it's got get metered, that's right, you're not got, that's it, that's it, but, not the position, position,

But there's been very much of the big-up, not quite, not quite, not put up in the back-up, right. So, you're going to be it's there, you're going to bea-dollar, I can make this kind of so that's going to be so that. It's important for there financial independence. But, this, Tom,

you're like you're going to be called to goad again? For? For? No, because... Well, so that's... So, if I'm not for what that's... That's, if you're not the problem of the time,

not the problem principle. Yeah, right? And it's just in, in time, you know, you're looking like the timing's okay. Now, that I'm going to juremussen, yeah, but I want to ask you just, Whatever you've done in the

you have to have arsenal of the power inundasia, and scientific power, that's how to make up to make upanguance with a scale that's being in in the way of the world. How that's the way? Yeah, the most of the concert in London, in New York, in Tokyo, yeah, can?

That's about 50,000 people, 20,000 people, that's, and the name of Indonesia, Harum, or you make film, Menang, than other, parasites in Oscar. Amen. But, but it's, but it's just, as a very much. HATO, as a man,

I mean, this is more to-muchoured, I'm, as a plastic surgeon, and then, then, and then, to out, so,

and because, And then my friend that, you're you can't, you can't, but they thinker it just, ah, probably the person's person who's hobby, like they're hobby, you know. And then I'm, after I'm saying, they're just beingung. You, you know, you, you're, you're, you're, I'm going to be professional,

I'm, I'm, I'm doing as a pro-kerjaan, I said, and then, and I think, Browsing, wow, more than they're more than they're for them, well, why can't be able, because in the bidon I'm going to play in the bed haplastic, I'm trying to be innovation, like.

So, now there are some techniques of operations that I try to comeangin, approach of my, and that's again I'm trying to try to put up-publication and out, too, that's going to try to publications out And then the last, I was the endang to Korea this for the HRS of their, like pecan-ilmiya-tawnan of their own-a-pand-a-lawing.

Because it's like pandemic, we're going to be doing on-line. Now, I'm one of the same way to do my technique, I'm not doing my technique. Because everyone's not even though gregn't. But, right, but, can, approach's different. So that's right. So, back again, I have I have got a lot of the

part of the politics, and not even, so it's very much I'm going to be in a certain but it's not the principle. I'm going to be. I'm going to ask you, for asking you do and don't what? But you're

you can be perenton to Indonesia to the front, so that's more than to the world to be it not but it's not yet but it's quite luas. Competisiness and the

Yeah, we're going to expertise that's great, with we're not to be a people,

but we're we're still kind of kind of so, so, like, but it's just

if we're resources we have So it's like not in the capital with capacity so this just to be a consumer just. That's actually that the government's right to the other.

Paradoxical. It's very paradoxical. We're consummines is a but production in the of the country too, and for this and our people are

like this, we're the world, we're like, we're just, we're import. But although, even the amount of the same can be, that's-edia,

that's what, what's what, that's what, that's actually, the end of the investations. So, if you're producting, one, kettangan, one other, industrial. Now, that we have to make up industrial.

Industrial, to, build a fabric that great, like what's done in Mexico, in the other countries, that's investations million dollars. This is about when it's when where raw material is there's been many, it's many many times in Indonesia,

in the region, but it's not in particular. But it's not in fact that. FULUS. Now, if it's going to come it, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it's there, there's there.

Now, it's in here, the of the abasance not gampang. So, the kind of, it's just that, from the way that's from Indonesia can't evening downed devisa,

model. Yeah, I can't say, I'm going to be a liquidity or model is important to make up to make uprogan economy so we can be more great, right? Doid in the country is there-battas. If we not want, we have to get in the

money from the world. And the in-dalen-the-drable-in-the-the-the-drable-in-the-the-the-the-crivation The fact is not from swastah just from the amount of credit, but it's also if we look at the amount of credit, can't last, just 6%. This is a partuburned credit just 2% maximum. Now, that's cermine from the

of the debtor of the country. If we're not going to come from out. Now, this is I who want to make up to our GERGELMAN. I'm always curious with why, the amount of credit that is in here, bungal of it's very, ma'am. In the other than Singapore, I think, just one, two percent, America is little.

In America, in the United States, Japan, in fact, investsas, minus. Now, in our data, how is, how can't, why I'm going to get KPR, the bunga can be 8% in the a while, and then just about, now gets to know, again. This is all, this,

risk or premies risk. Yeah, right? Why, why, not the country other can't be able to, or not, certa martha our rate, also, just, bu, yeah, oh, yeah, we're gonna,

but, too, too, the end-ug-ug-ugue, yeah, so, if the money that's the number of, many, can, number, if dollar, if dollar, want to get to-cure to rupeia. There's slisiness? There's slisie just.

It's, there is cost the cost is the cost is one of from the variables that is being puttimbanged. Now, sucu bunga, it's chermine, it's kind of the supply for money and demand for money, right? Intersection of supply and demand, that is price of money,

which cost, or interest rate or sucu bunga. Now, it's cermine from several variables, which is the picol. Now, risk of our country's, it's to be a peringat. Peringat our triple B, right. Invasement grade. In Singapore, it's double E or triple E.

Now, as much as a, or, a more than a more than, it's riskoing more, the premiums more, the suco-bunannes more the smaller. Now, if we're still triple B, yeah, If you, if you're going to make two times,

because the premium riskier is more than to Singapore. That's, it's, it's, impenegu, supply and demand, so. So if you want to succubbuna our own, the perinket our country, we have to bea from triple B, can be single A. But from triple B, we have triple B plus. From triple B plus, we're to single A minus,

Now that, the risk of the cost of money the more of the money, the more of the more of the money the more, more of the number, too, Tom. You know, more... Ciccant is more... Ciccule. ...that's even, but in 2008,

yeah? Yeah. Bunga, 70%, huh? You don't know, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am that time we're... I've already been bankrupt, Bankinger, 60%?

60%%%%%% of the... because of 98% that? Yeah. And it's be a little-then-necremantalist, not like that. But this is, that in 22 years,

the sun-buner, now, now, SBA, has 4.25% or 4% . DUL% SBA has been 10%

in the bank Indonesia. And that's, If I'm not much better than 20 years than I'm predicting 5-10-to-down-de-pant that we've got reddish-bun-a-suc-bunate. So, cichilin'a-cure, it's not so-suk-lunas. That's right. Tom, I want to ask,

some rapid-fire, like. If I'd say, I'd say other, I'd ask about concept that's like a sharem, or not, I'm not really, I'm going to know howl like that with other. You're looking at the role of the robot to be the other than

how do you know? Well, it's going to be dominations. But, it's not ever can't make any other but for the work forgerger that's a no-brainer that no-brainer that no-brain that's

the first, it would be more more than more than can't use it's just it's it's a problem, I think I'm notherst to the other than people with a number of people like it's like in Indonesia if we're still in 500 people to work

for using forksing for the only every day, every day, every day, every day, every day, before the morning, which is actually that with robot, it's just for one of on, on, the on, can't just on, can't just go on, can't go on.

So if you're business, it's going to bea-plastic? If you're going to do plastic? That's a bit of plastic? Because that was a bit of adjustment. Okay. Benda plastic is like a pellucis, we're going to buy a lookus and a good,

but there's 1,000 people who have. No, I'm not, I'm going to, but if you want, it's just you only who only who have. Unique, yeah? Yeah, beda plastic, like that. If we don't know beda-esthetics, Like that. The case is not going to the

work on the other than A, B, C. But case is different, the result of the approach is also better. Okay. Now, that's not going to be able to be but he's helping, it's, so, if I think, the perkeembangan will be...

Now, this I'm going to talk to my my son, Daka, he's been doing robotic. He's now, he's now like to be learning coding and other and He said, Dachau, I'll be doing robot, I'll just in the house, operation in the room,

that's maybe, so I'm not going to go to the clinic, patient, maybe, just the room just, I've given to go to the same, I'm like playing game in here. Robot is who's the work, but the penerjimahannes from here.

I see. Artificial intelligence is still from human resource, from human, right? You're who, who's the program, he's executing. That's maybe.

It's like we can't we can't program like a jaraesli. But if we look at films, film sci-fi, if for operation that's conventional, like, if it's... ...tobeck, it's like, it, is... But there's operator, but... Oh, yeah? ...not can't be scan, like, ...p...

...manyu... ...menu... ...the ...operation... ...on... Zootz, zh, zh, zh, not that's there. There's people in the back. Yeah. Okay.

But there's just, they're not thinking if they're going to be to make it, this munchrat, this is where? The more than disrupts, just the profession of the parwet? Or assistant doctor? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

But it's not, but not, but not that's not, I think I was that's right, that's really, really, but maybe, but maybe, doctor's working in the room, planning just. Planning, all already mapping. But, actually, we're going to be to have to learn IT-a-tey-bank. If like that's now,

can't even be many doctors who can't make computers. Okay, the next President of the Perman-Poan in Indonesia, before 2005? I think yeah. There's a lot? There's five cycles,

again? From five cycles, this, what can be what can be? One. One. Okay. President non-Jewa, in five cycles to the

different? Can two to three. Okay. Because I'm seeing, people, now, not to not look

to look. Sucu, etniz. Yeah. Because that's, information's, right, can, generation,

yeah, maybe, may not, yeah, thinking, like, that's, like, delusy,

but, the, the other not same exactly, they don't even care, you, so,

so, so, so, they, if, they're, they, they're, They're not saying, what's the

you're going to be a friend, that's not being a friend, yeah, who's not being in the time, yeah. Okay. Indonesia has won't a Oscar or Grammy before 2004-5?

Wow, that... Come on. ...areus aspirative, like, because we're taking caretive, it's a lot, but you shoot for the stars, man. Yeah, that's... Maybe less than five case.

That's damn good. Less than five. Mastin'amie less than five. Oscar less than five. No, no both. Oh, yeah? Yeah, maybe there's one, two, like, but I don't think so. How do you, because of the problem is,

it's the problem that, it's kind of a collective. One of one person, but the system not good, not just not just because of the time can't be able to keep in our our own people who are here also get back and we're going to be more than we're going to be this.

No, no, no, maybe. Hollywood that's been making film without any of the people. We're still just, we're not chow. This is back to the percapable to the time how we can re-recha or to make up technology, artificial intelligence, genetic

recording, and, and, Unless, unless our country is to be a man, maybe. Not just to be a manned but there's a long-being technology of other. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

if that's already, yeah, but yeah, that's the it's a little bit that's it's a bit sometimes,

yeah, yeah, we're going can be able to but, but, but it's cool 20-year-aum-a-tacore.

Categorie whatever. Of course, sir, pa. Of course. Yeah, but if you're going to be, but is it possible? Joey, Marry, right, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Not gira, can, he's not going to nomination. See Joey. I mean, wow, put tears in my eyes. And, okay, if you know, Nobel? Well, no, no, it's not possible. How can be.

can be more than five, I guess. If Nobel, because because the room experimental we are too, is open now. It's just the government, if it's serious, to support, or the people of swastas, to support the kids of Indonesia

to be more experiment. Because, experiment, is more the bi-a-eighed, right? Now, I... So, I've... ...as long I've been to know There's one of one who's who's been able to support the experiment,

to put in one to give mellarer for him. Experiment, what? What's the other. So, there's one of the other than we can come in time we can't even if we're going to be in the world. He wanted to come in a room, and with his name,

just the business, to be done it, now, he's one of the, I'm going to say that's mimpi, is her own ways, um, number-tankan local, that's in their potential, wow.

Now, I've got to come back. He, he'll see him. Tom, I've got to come up. Amazing. What's the example of the time? The time of the time, that's, you know, that's, like,

who's ball-bola, that's up, down, and this, people can make a problem more ribbid from that. Gila, I'm going to look. It's, it. Is that in the No, in Jakarta?

He's a one of one of the company IT. He's at the IT, in a TALCOM or what, that's just a peerjointed because it's just a peeroyance of a bigot. Because it's not even not a room for that's been so much. Now, somehow, I've got to make you and you, oh, you'll do you make this,

then we'll do you, we'll do this. Wow. We'll. We'll. Okay, we'll. And then I'll know it. And I'm and digitalization, this, gila, like to the

people, will just disrupting, many things. And... I'm predicting, ma'am, maybe, more than the time, that's not long later. So, that's not long. So,

so they're going to, people, and not the handphone, and they'll be able to, yeah, in China, it's, oh, yeah, I was when I was about to pay with currency, it's been tollock. And then my friend's my friend's he has

we pay, using we pay, czechle, QR. I'm asking, why you don't want to remit? Yeah, it's more than conciliations if it's closing, if it's all been digital. It's been already data, yeah. Yeah, right. That's not long, like, again again, and this is what's

you're always abouty. Backal, many industry or professions that are disrupts, now, this we have to be because the impact social is many. Yeah. And, this, itung-itungan is as a way who are disrupting that can make-skilling or upskilling. But, now, this, now,

if, if, if, before, there's up there's more than without using, the subpire that's disrupting, he can't make making sure to glass, just can't, how can?

Yes. And in Indonesia, there are 130 people who are working. If, in 5,10, 10, this, disruption, this, this,

more frequent, and more, whatever. We have to we have to be reskilled or upskill. That's a pair of the PR's very. It's very. It's very. The accountant, no more than no more.

The most simple, the door toll, or, but not there's no longer, because of the door, not the door, not it's not yet yet, yeah, if he's called, if he's got to do it,

in the company digital. If you can't, maybe it's not, but if he can't singy, not can't let's, it's justa. Anyway, anyway, this, like it's been to be pertimbang-can, Tom, in the power of your to be thinking, yeah?

Yeah. But it's right, it's one of the one that's the most of the most the one, because of the people too much. Yeah. The people are too much. And that's too,

too much too, notarer the other than, it's just as I'm trying to make a big of the think of thinking, oh, I think there's been a good, this, like, like, like, Korea, Uttarra. It's like, like, Korea-U-U-Utara.

So, so that's just like, it's right, can be right, but, can't be that can't be that. But, but we're going to be. But, but, but, that's not, that's not,

that's segment of that — Okay, I believe with evolution. Evolution is to be with a macklech, but it's also with process. It's also a process politic. Yeah, right? Manusia can't be able to be able.

But, it's not just the process politic, it can't be able. But for some time, I think that democracy, this not so bad. But, is this is it still the end up this is not, it will be able to be it, If it's only to go ahead of us, it's all, and it's the depending on the people.

Anyway. It's a bit of question, jabbering. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Tom. So, same, or we're? Tompi?

Dr. Tompi, Nalor Nidul on many things. And so muchmog, thank you. This is endgame.