Endgame with Gita Wirjawan - Zulkieflimansyah: Pemimpin Grasak-grusuk dan Jebakan Ideologi

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

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that Indonesia is not it's not to beacquaticated with one guyh and one car. Yeah. I don't know the people that need to

get rid of the sake of popularity, electability, then, he'll getal health and the power.

This is endgame. Hello, time, today we're coming to get caught my guy, my brother Zulki Flimansh Belio is,

a manned Gubon of the Usoatera Barat but also a man who's very committed for education and how the country and

our country that can be back in the thank you very much thank you thank you thank you thank you

thank you I'm going to ask many the question but maybe maybe start being the lastar

blackangue sooo like you like you live where and how can be

We can't have you know how much Tiberate-div-dared as a good-digit, then to be politicus, and, inshallah, man. Soapha. I was in Subbawah, in the Uyghurah,

Barat, it was 50 years long as well, I'm just as well as young. Youth is young and sat hard. So, the time,

not get puttuncant by the situation of hearty, it's. So, it's so much, I'mbubbush school at

Subawah. And, since you from the time kind of the the camppong that has been made a place.

So, why people from the Ussu South Dengara Barat, especially from the people,

Sumbawah misnang argumentation. Because I have put there's a place there,

there, Pat Dinsamsudin, Fhariamza, Van Gavar, Mac, because because the wadhanes

there's is there's ready to be argumentation. It's also maybe a little bit of why many activists from there. Now, that's made I then have something that's, I mean, of my life of my life,

I was in 2009, I took place to be wakily New South and Warat in Student Exchange, partucarer to Australia. And I think I'm backeroy the Northern Territory it's predixie that to

the embattainment to have been made. And it's from grooming the future leader that from the muddain. Who know the kids who are school in Australia

that one time can be a manpinkin? So, so not again has to makeinalkan everything from from the until in Australia

it's just we're up to make because of the way because of the way new, the way of the way, and be ablejure

that new so. So, if it's one of a successan, it's, it's, it's,

the in in the un-agreed to make-agre- -cou-to- keep-mobuant. So, if you know, if you know, if they're still in the Uyghur,

that's about the Uyghur, with my own, I'm having my own own life, so, I mean, you're a lot of more big best. And, finally, I'm going to be faculties economy in U.I. That's what I'm going to be a new thing, Something that is a newi this isiopan

we're all from different different, has a gama, the ideology of much like in UI, like replica Indonesia. Now, I, I, when I,

it was, as the U.I. So, the Ket., the U.S. Indonesia, in 2009, 2004. That was, who's just like to make because of the

politics. And, there's a democrya so, like democracy in Indonesia now. One student, one vote. We're campaigned to every program study, to facultas,

so, so the group of the gore it's like now. Now, I think of course economy, so the assistant and then, then, school, lastor, master, and B.D.

Yeah, to class go. When I was back 2001, statuses not a be able toan country. Not because of the U.I. is like a body of the lawy which is a person that the person has been given a pillion, want to be a begoyneed or not.

Then, tibbut there's a cellarer that may make making them, some of the other people a lot of the other than we're not we're not yet yet in the U.S. not putt. And so, I'm not going to do not. So, I'm going to so. So, I'ma

from Faculty Academy, and Ramah Pratama when that, manant, manan, ma'asizuadio, it's called to be able to community. That's why, the time inusia

that's relative really, finally, we made to Sanayan in in 2018 and moved with conalalal

with, Ms. Gita, though. Masi Mooda. And then, Then. Quapen, when. When you know,

to be airer, perlintas? Now, if I'm going to beckyield that, just of the same, because it's not ever before. In Jakarta,

three periods of to be a gauda DPR. Now, when it, why, terpicker, to be a member dayerah

that, by accident also. When, Fahri, Hamza, and, my subhahathe, has a lot of PKS.

So, like I'm going to be a lot of and it's not yet. And, you know, it's the part of the new, right? Parte Gailorah. And I,

actually, who's got Fahri Amzai to go to PKK to go, to Jakarta, and other and sogain and the, and when

that was, and the time, he was quite big, significant. So, PXS, this,

in tata-tip, I'm-mintaportem-ma'am, as a part-gawarie to PKK, to make amaz-in-carta, the area of the same the power P-K-S-ter-gros. So, I'm going to beinted back. From the area of the same thing I,

because I was in BAT, so, yeah, when I'm going to be NTB, and Tosualisicatismalizing and the UNAVARANN, nancy-A-Barran, but momentum when we've been up as well-pilkada.

Maybe model social that we've gotcumulkan, that we've been able to be enough, so, so, after survey, there's a lot of the light at the end of the trunking, why not,

that's, and, and, we're going to, in contestation and menang. Why, why? Because, because the study I was after technology transfer

between multinational, a company, asing, to the person local. And there, guru-besar in Glasgow that, who that's really that

the country be-kempang that, not much make-sah the development without strengthening industrial-based,

to build a baseis industry but but quite but based industry this is stillap but the process the same blackeration is a lot more and factor the most important in the upgrade

industrial base is innovation technology and the end up the SDI.D. I was how much the country bekemang like Indonesia, the process of industrialization

that's up in the power of industrialization it, mampuallation, the capability that's important in the same. So, we'll see how much the process the technology

like what, technology like what, and system innovation is how much? Now, this can't beaqan because there people who are

who are menuguni the people technology that's with the system production and economy national many people who mereducy technology is a bit as a bitas technical artifax just. Many of the PhD

in the Bidanguech engineering, but very technical. But that's able identifications underlying structure, which, comprehensive, that, gambarant besaresing, that,

not much. So, so, like, what, name, name, that's about that's about the puzzle, I'm about how much, but we're going to bellowing the samearant

backer than there, there's dewana, in the place I, in Glasgow, in the way the country bebeang,

has to build industrialization with system innovation national that good. In the system innovation, it's identifications

that, the actor the most important in capacity, in upgrade human capacity, in upgrade the technology not university

not research but the research institute but this is very interesting. And, and since again, the typical of the technology from the country barat,

it's always, the whole whole calla-can-a-can the development technology is identical with proportion R&D. So, because many people fulis economy,

who's going to do you know, how technology it's, we're copyrights, then, proportion of our own, and then, proportion of our own, the economy, now, from the country. It's important, but not important,

but not important, but it's important. Amundry, industry, pengolahan, manufacture, our industry that is the industry that's the industry

manufacturing to upgrade the mampuant technology, for industrial base our business is a reverse engineering. so learning is that's only but many model-mody, there's learning by searching,

learning by accident, and much-machem-l. And the result of my story I'm ammenged-uped-one that's giving inspiration that there's not that not-mobile in the car bebeambeck, we're doing, as well,

Ansel, actually, actually, so on the problem. So, because of the problem, because engineering capacity and capability we have. But how much parsar mampu menop what is made by business we're making. So, this is interesting. Now, I was, I tried to show up to this. But not sexy amat for the peopleagang pejoration in Indonesia,

like Pah Bhabi is the actor, as a bit more than a lot of the economy we're not about the world, particularly. So, I have a casepaten as a capital area this, make expression what we've learned in a bit of concrete. In fact, before I was a governor,

I'm doing in Indonesia, Timur, the, the, University of Symbawahua. People are not being asked, why Universesat Technology Sumbawa? because we're not even for technology, we're not even though we're not even though technology, that's the problem, that technology, that's not

not living in co-facuman, not erasolation from social context. So, technology, it's not technic, but it's the way to beckon with music, with psychology, with accounting, with business, and we need to rachute and maramue ecosystem's, so that's the ecosystem that's up to move,

the company and then to become, so much the technology of technological development. So, if you're going to build technological capability that's the same thing, not build research institute, not going campus that's good. But how much from campus and research institute is able to make sure can

people who can't doggiscah, and from the company, from the company, and from learning technology. Now, with with the power dairah, we have to beacisage what we've beena

so much. So, so the governor, better than the leader, better, to be a lot of DPR, we're giving

a chance. Now, that's the NTP this, we're doing experiment, yeah, if, like,

other, the program standard just. But, but, but, we've been program

bringererimkan Ribbohan another than usa U.S. Tengara Barat, this to

We've gotakable, why we're going to out of the world this, because we're going to be able to be able to be able to. But we're going to give them to be a lot of Indianapolis to be a better. Now, this is interesting, monot of that. Because we've been a lot of the world of the country. Now, the problem we're in the world, why is it important, why I'm accelerate this to make sure of theirahs

because of the same, because with democracy that's a bit more than liberal like this, if we're not aty-haty, the deerhanes to come to. When we're back,

we're going to think, we're going to bring by the people to Surabaya, to Malang to Jukja. That's tumbled, buch,

but primordialism that's more than banish by the government because they're because of them their own people. Now,

the people, if you're people, they're in the country, usually the usually, the kind of

Asianian and and thebanshaan. Now, this we want to come back, because I kate.

I was big, in U.I. Yeah, that's never I'maerahs. I'm going to Dapil, even calum, gawernor

in Dundan. But when I'm put down to ask Patsulni, from where? From Sumbawak? Orang? This is one thing

actually I didn't ever hear when in Jakarta. But when I came to NTB, it's a gungu-Sik I.

Because I'm Sumbawah, majority of people from Shasak, or the Lomboq, I'm going to be a sound as far as I'm thinking, if you're like, if I'm saying,

what's the other, and I'm not imagine when we're going to be president in Indonesia, if we're mimpie just, if people,

somebody, somebody, so, so, so, we know, One of the one is that's I think it's the end up

this is heiart can't be able to beaarcan because the activist that's heabat from the Poulos Lombok, this in in a lot of but if it's about it's about but if you're being kungungungu-dying with primordialism that's impede, we're not going to makey-mageu. So, so we are very lucky, lucky. And we are very lucky.

lucky. We are able to send students that's about a lot of people and I'ma, I'm going to Poland thanks for Peter Gantam who gave us the time when he was

due dutal there so, so the country gate-gates just because when they're in Europe

they have put the ability to getmaping Europe and because the other people the country and

the country second semester's in Portugal, in the United, but I'm going to be. So, so we're getting another, and this is back with confidence

that's new. Why I'm going to resa program this also, to anticipate many supply activists local that maywarnay

social media and penuress with the of the political and not-cauasah. Now, the other than I give you guys before they're being asked, you know,

I have to uncungang-can-B-Europpa so, lang-hank-an-an-a-N-TB this is not only the world, but in allure a lot. Ramake-can social media is with the news-ber-a-brita that's productive.

Ramackan social media we're with signal of changes that new, soingingingingingingesiratesi of people that in the Desa and with social media because of the people

people who are you being the same time in the people people who are in social media every day can be interact with and I'm

can't. They've got to have been a time who later last time in the BASISWK that back to NDB that's already

making mandi from Poldi, Wali from the Uythaglia, to the desks. So, so as far asychologous, he's already confident, and the veranian

not less inferior to the other people. That's the first. The second, the second, with being the heada

this, we start making an concept industrialization. Now, industrialization this, kosakata

that, which is identical with perusal with PTA mineral, industrialization identical with urbanization, asap that's up,

and mess up, and messrsac, but from the past, we've studied in Europe, who has school of thought that's rather better with economy mainstream this, actually, industrialization

is not always identical with proportion industry in the way economy we, but actually, the actuality, industrialization is is a power

a numbering, for the world, the structure and it's a stature deepening. Muley have been able to not to sell commodities, but mongolah

in the area to make haderkerkeranity externality, externalities that positive. Why NTB is kind? Why Indonesia Timurito is

because we We'd We'd Jalawesi, we'd Jalajong to Capal Capal Caput, to Pilipin, then we'll buy packan-ternac from the bachu that we've made which we've given it.

We've got to make a can that many from from from from where, he'd give to Surabaya then to doresikin, doolah, did get taken it's taken,

it's made, export to China but but but but America, but buttoll-of-trade yeah, yeah, yeah, so we're still when you sell commodity traditional that more,

then we'll buy product that more than this we're back. Now, this is, and al-hmudulah, we're getting COVID. Now, COVID-it is blessing in this gas also, ma'is, yes, we're in our own,

so, when we're not, when that, you know, I'm going to cash. I was that's about the people that's about someone to Pachokai can't NTPI, can't be given discrecy

don't bantuantuanty but be given in a form of commodity but it's all local commodities so so that we're just that we're cumulcan

repulcation BPKAPI BPK BG, Giacsha an Casesescusi this is like this is we'll mas we'll make usharaqat

for the sake of physical distancing, social distancing, so there's a lot of the time when COVID that, we're sure to make product that we'llah. But this will come gives help to the community. So, so there's incentive for

UKMUKM is making product because it's iraed by usherap by PEMDA, then this isiracan to be all local products. Now, don't permasalakan Because of the country whenever upon upon upon upon

the product that's not competitive of price. Hardgaining not much can't be able to be able to be able to be more than. Then, quality of it also, it's more than, more than. Now, this, don't even if, because we've given product to the people more than the more than the more than the way,

the quality of the less, and they're aghueka to the country. We don't want to be a rougain with a good. because because of PPPKKK, because I've got to doleuos economy, the school of thought that's neoclassic economics, that if you can't buy in the world, why, has to be it. So, so it's not going to be able to be it in the puritongation. And we're right.

We sure weircque, and the way that, while COVID, what know what, the way, evaluation from BNP, NTP, including

the province, who can't make upyx, secaligus, to build economy. Because, because,

we've got, we've got, we've been, with the way, that's true. And we're not only able to emmash,

the thing, of the but Ravit, but even when we can't even if we can't be able to frugal innovation that maybe just as a lot of everbishop.

If we're able to innovation in one product there expansion of human capacity and capabilities we have been the power of we're not only just can't make

the papechanes not only only Tomathe, but maybe sambal Tomat if it's like aam Taliyang, he came down to Jakarta two, three days, it's been basing. Now, with kerosan can't be

longer. Now, process meneerang down the kemiang down the kemasan in the more good, this if people don't think, the theory industrialization, di-haggap.

So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

It's like aam because of the same-calf-caheng. Pardalang, the process is a-caliang that's-degas with technology that's-deged-sett. It's not costless,

not timeless, and not automatic. That process the learning-belagheration with dara-dara. Now, this is said by Pach-Jewi,

actually, Banga, bel, bella, product. Local, it, subsansionioning there, and we're,

and we're I'mtab, the Uyb, a part of the province of the people, that's because if you're not,

many chalul, come to the place to buy alat kesthetal from China, buy this product, particularly product the product

the government. Now, if we're not di-a-jac-bicarer, mas, then, the, there's,

there, the d'inas, we, the, the kemn't, why, this is, this is-c-

So sometimes, there's why theattings, the theorying, because if actors, actor, in the development that, not seren't met, not work with what they'll do, it can't get caught in casusuku. So, so, like,

making mehisma, we're industrialization, and what's interesting, we're also, yeah, we're given a case by Mr. Jokoi who has, or the one-rumah, many global events. NDB It's got a motor GP

current, the world super bike, even XGP, motor cross, Dunia, two series are in NTB. This is

acceleratesi kind of change, we're up interaction with caragamand, buda of new,

mental, the Pemimpinpinning, management practices, and a lot and I'm, and I'm optimistic, yeah, if anyone the other than the other than the other than that's the best,

it's very interesting, so that's being the people to beapeuticant and there's kind of. There's two things. Semenjave to first time we're coming. So, we've never never, not ever gregnobrol about pendidicant. Yeah, right? Tolepas from profession, what's just,

yeah, right, more than being being able to beaugh, like, or like, or what, or what, we're going to be,

we've got to go on about on the education. Yeah, right? And, narration you, too, with the education.

The first, the one. The two, how you can't be able to be able to And it's just a lot of urusan or so much more than a lot more. Yeah, can?

Maybe we're going to be able to. You know, you know? You know, you're who's who undergung me to UTS in the year 2010. Perdana, yeah, right? And if I see in book, book of purportaqaan, in the people in Indonesia, that titel that's about that's about between between

the cost of social, 32, 33%. Hocom, 312, 33%. Economy, 32, 33%. Ande, end, econom. But what dismayangue is, the detail that's kental with the ilmo terapan.

It's just 0.5%. This is, this, this, how if there, if there's in the NTP that's important to innovation and technological

development but if you're a lot of this is a bit more this, the point of time, in the usia

muda. There data again, which I've already, which we've got to, anguplas

stem S3 in America America, the year, in 2001, that's wrong, that's the number of the number of the US-3, that's the United, from India, from Korea-selaten, 1,000 and,

from Turkey, 400, and from Indonesia, just 82, since then Ghana, Gana, 113. We have to have to be it. We have to get a good-it-kindingak-upy-cuitism. How do you know how to make virul-can what you've done in T-D for the penitemingan our entire Indonesia?

The first one, we need to be tecanked, that we've been banged technological capability, technological development, this processinging is long. And the way, you know, ishikou, so much-mulose, so much-mulose-as-a-old. And technology,

it's not singular. Technology, it, many models, and in the set-up industry, the way of the learning-peleadure better. Chemical Industries,

with industry manufactures, accentuassinia better. Pedidica, and perbankan, technology is also,

the technology is better. And so much as well, so that's digitalization. So, so much more the way of the way of the samecairation better, soing it's a matter of policy or

the policy that mustiness not as a ragam, that's the first that's important, that's important, that's not there's actually as far automatic if in the new-classic

that's, it's reducted with learning by doing just. Learning is not only by doing just. There's there's design in systematis. Now, because of that,

when you know that technology this is long, and has to the choice, the industry the, well,

the ecosystem has to be the whole. So, so, if we want, in NTB, it,

to build industry permasinan. Because it's not there will be industrialization without there

machine tools industry that's So we need we need to be able to because of the same-as-a-c-c-c-c-a-c-c-c-c-c-a-c-cc-ccccc and then-ccccccccc, then-cccccccc-c-cccccccccc and then-custsperc-a-c-ccccccccccccd,

even, even though pondoc we have put-purner, actually if technology that's what is is to make like we can't make sure, we need to make sure, we've been born biotech industry, we have to have been able to

from the power of ponderop to, and to make sure with a way that's very much more than extractive industry, we're making, we're making make upangue, we need, must be ASD,

in pout, in, the potentate, you can't make sure that's matha, physical, and we're going to beaumatimusit, misdancey, misdain, A, same with V, divagy, misalry, right? We can, we just beajaure, that to make hitong percepatan, the speeder by the time.

But, if we're in the Uralia, it's just like, in SMP, in SMA, in the UNA, it's clear that A, it's acceleration. V's a velocity divided by time. So, so that's the narrations, the narrations, so that's the wordasiness. Now, if it's terminated by the acceleration, velocity divided by time,

he's made, he's the story that can't becaitken with chasaharian. Now, guru that, until now, after after, not even though, a, it's acceleration,

actually. So, the rankan not yet not yet not yet yet yet about the other than people who are you not across the right andotak

karee we're in the same capacity now pondok pesant trend we're Ustatt Ustatt Jai Kiyayi naa if you're if you're going to about

the story of this, it's interesting illustrations inda inda but but when I'majar mathematics

it's the guru's not communicative that, the, the way, the way to be that. So,

if we're going industrialization, the backbone that's the ability of, the technology, and innovation, this is to

get made from the power, from the small, from the TK, so,

so, so, the, system, we, do, the thing, what we can,

what we can be doing, I, I, I, I, I,

I, what, what, what we can to make guru for quality-to-untook-its to be able to

data-tariff to the detail that we want to get-upon-the-depan. Yeah, right? We know, one one, namain, Bagus-Muli-A-Di

who who's-an-elac-e to-elac-in-jolk like a lot but with a lot muddhra. Now, that's how you're how you're not. If you're the question of the

question of the other kind of how we can't keep in the way way in process gajar. Now, the experiment we're, this not just rangerang, we've been purported

in University of Summawah. Mantra al-in-it-a-wale-it-a-wale-n-mantra-a-wail. There is a way. if there's there's that's the end uphame, that's the first we've given. And it's already

we've got to beckx semester 2, the nextelian, anac petaning, with experiment and can't winnang can international biotech

competition in MIT. Coba, we'll just bea backankan, when it's notac the manacet people,

the endarred in New York, that, that, the, umpah, they're just to, they're just to beaughalier

just to work. Then they're back to Harvard, come to MIT. It's been a lot of their life. They're still taking PhD, got full bright scholarship, in America,

and all the same. It changed the way the world. It's been able to. So, so. So, so. So, that booket we,

that's the, name of, Maras, that's in, man, us, we're there. Campus, we'll be small. but the chita,

we're bigot, and we're going to gongue but gagasan it's must make getarking some of the world from the way that. The second, the other one of the

government, we're giving inspiration also, that the people people have always have philosophy that good, we're trying.

Kata, the one chino, the gung, not has to think, the thing, the way, there dewana.

And then, Gunung Kaui, it's not high-tiguan, but because of the dewana, many of the people who are going to come to be able. The sunnays, it, not have to be in theagaa. So, we can make program study that has had dewana.

If you're going to make biotechnology, must be a professor biotech that best in the bidderna. Yeah, it's to endang to be there. Now, metallurgy, has had dewana. Now, I think, people like,

my people, if I'maughan, if you're about to campus, let's talk about, the Sulawesi Uthara, Sulawesi Tengara, Sulawesi Tengar,

he's a bedang. Johanes Surya making campus, he's just a dewa. Mas, we can't make sure, music, accounting, business, etc.,

or, nanty campus where just, it's just the, the point. The point, but theawan that's

one. And, because I'm because I'm asoomac, because of Acese, people Jambi, people,

allu, all right, to, we're going to bea-sissue in Shumawa, pullang, and to be able to bea-bate. So, so, so we're rebut,

why UTS that we're back on there? Because, because, in governor before I, to, human development

index, NTB, is not because standard of living the the majority of the bestraigna, the borgh, Jakarta, and Malang.

Now, we back, now, we can make campus in Subbawa, then, then, the allowance, we're giving allowance

the way of waifs, and all the attracting best brain from Western part of Indonesia. From the Barat, we're

to take the IPM Indonesia Timor this. And, when I was So I'm in DPR, I've made sure that's recommendation. How much

how to school curuance is good. Don't only be in Jawa. School of high accutansi Nagara, if you can't be in Maluasia, tarot, in Maluku, Uttara.

School of High School of Statistic, for why, why, I was in Jakarta? I've been when, when I'm in the Piminan Commission 11th, I, I recommendation

from Bant, from N. School of Straitiske, the sameealmustat. Nilatimatic is about 8-9 But what's said the PPS

Oh, ma'ap, we can't be able to the same, because the nilions 10, many times. Now, we can,

if you're, the nilionsiae math, the number of to get back, that, brandry-in-ne-n-n-a-l-statt-Sat-Sat-Sat-Sik in,

there, in Indonesia-Tim-T-Ur. Can, there's-l-L-L-L-D-Sat-Sat-Sat-Sik, Kaya. Pinter. Now, if you're going toh matter of Pinter,

this drop to Indonesia Timur, then the impact social it's a lot. Because externalities he will be able to private to be a state,

R.T. There's a other thingka, there's, so, and then, knowledge base our level down to,

until menhah to be good. So, so, the government, to come. Like, Gai,

P.Jew, like, Make up in the U-Kotan-Tamur. So, school-scoa-saucle-the-Nusia-timur. Because of the U-Sia-Barat-in, not only about the world, but will bea-baudi, about entrepreneurship, capacity, and a lot of it,

and this is the... Now, this is the... I'm going to say. I'm sorry, I, myself, the MENTRIPENDRANNITICAN our own, to be able to... ...pendiped our own. ...and, now, this is...

...theirpurner... And it's because of resistency to be able to be. It's not much. Now, al-hmudelah, what we're doing in TNTB with the presence of the University of Technology's whoembao. This is, it's, that's not that there's a way that we have commoan. Productions talent, that's already

more than the area. But I've said that the it's still centripetal to central. how to centrifugal can centrifugal kind

centrifugality is only can't be able to implementations off-takers if there's if there's product of pedigants in

Sumbawa how he can be able in Sumbawa also, not in Banyuang, not in Jakarta, not in Surabaya,

and this, entrepreneurship'y also should have done. Now, it's I think backer was

with money I'm, I'm going to issue model, or the kind of underbatsasan model,

even, big, the idea, there's been being, is going to get, the product

can't, particularly in T.B. But, modality is, And the other than the I'm not the same as far as far as far as far as partakers, I'm learning

system innovation, that actor the most important that's the system is the world people, the people, the people, so,

so, so, and, and be a friend to the people people of money this, so that the environment

people, there's, but, butle, and amaz. So, the task we're the power deerahers, is making sure that

money and human, so, and investation is very, and it's very, and it's, but, but,

but, this, dignity, can, also, be able to yeah, yeah,

and it, because, not even the, people, people, money, reducting

personal, it's, some, because, because sometimes, because of the same thing people that's not a lot of the area. We've got to, it's a lot of, so they're going to, so that's going to beaerick, as a bigaiian of business. Now, in our support we,

with people who are small with people who are important, to make upengue how he's be thinking. We sleep in the same bed, but we have different dreams. So, so you can't believe, your company as machine for creating money only. But you know, but you have to think about sustainability, about business jankeranguechang,

both the job you're not only maroop to unctunctuary, but also to perpanyang usia business. Now, not everyone people or management of a company has a way to think of a lot, There's the end uponged.

The important, IPO, I'm going to get up. Then, then, you know, now that's like this, gina, there's a dialogue that's long. Because if a person

business, have been able to upgrade the ability of the people, there's not there can't. The person best,

like P.T. Aman, Wattin'U.M. It was, it can't get a schoolah quality,

gives scholarship that many, if you can't if you're the way of the company the management of the other than model just. But, also, he's making sure capacity of the community.

Because, I'm in order to make a capacity that's more than being increased, will cause, people, the people, the people, we're making,

because we, we're from Pemda, we're, we have, Sumbawat, Timur-Mining, in Doppu, ish,

but it's the 3rdawain when they're about about because of the local this is still going to make sure if we're taking the worker, we're going to beckar

this, that's amcamsation. And I think sasha's just as much the claim emas. Thembagha many in there

to get one two gram emas, has been TKI, TKW in Saudi. Because that, we've been

BESISWA. We're 100 people from the desa we should beaure we'll learn partambangan we get to bea-syswa with the hope that if he's notcung

tambang, did aserkan by the elmobu-phing. So, we still have five years from we're making sure the SMs. Masha, to be an operator

alat-berat just people from from Jawa. Apokka, is it's hard to learn al-a-Bot-Bort? We can make a academy community

that can't manage-an-a-an-a-d-a-lach. Now, has to have that's that'shapar with people with the world of the way ofusah they're human, and then they're

people, oh, they're not matadduitan, misalya, or this person. Oh, this is just to makehikirkin their own, but if, if,

they upgrade the ability, the company, it can't be able to support it and then, al-hmudelah, misnation,

that's, down with program scholarship, now, how much, so that'sar the time that's uprochle that's the world. They're notherment, but the company also unung. Now,

it's a problem if it's the owner of the company of the company of the thinker's not too much as it's not too. I was just a lot. Where I, in-hmm, thereputetotet, a hypotet. This is based on data I think I'm in fact mottom

if we're looking at Asia-Tengara whenarikin money in countries and the other national direct investment

in Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, that's a lot of the whole per-a-four-dollar, $100 to $400,000 to $1,000. $1,000. Singapore, $19,000. Reflexed our own country small,

population 5.5 million. If if we're cupas, data data in the year, In 2001, FDI that's in Singapore, that's 105 million dollars, in a lot of the same number two in Asia-Tengarer, that's Indonesia, that only about 30-millionary-dollar.

So, in a relatively, or even absolute, Singapore, is, it, cuckup-muny. Now, then, we're galley again. This, this, why? Yeah, the end-uging, this,

there's not-a-couralogy, not-calae geography, not-cate-corae not-cour-court-a-alap. But Singapore, Singapore, is to beprojecticcline

as a place that can't. If we're cupas again, why he can't be posisical the place as a place

that can be-certain. Because system is a lot. The rule work. The regulations work. So, the end of the rule of law. Peneguaghan human. I'm not looking at any other

that can't make sure can't penaricant model. Begit to be level 19,000 dollars per person. Inundasia, Philippines, per dollar per year, Malaysia, Vietnam,

$200,000, $400,000. Now, this, how many, because I'm looking at as structural, the money breeder that's in Indonesia, that's about 45% per cent per cent

perg, and in the country ander major, including Singapore, the money bearedar per capita, the ratioing is at 150%.

I'mangang because in Bima, in Bainabu, anywhere, that's many people that idea of brilliant.

I'm sure, and in the Poulos in Indonesia. But if they're not not it's puttemple

with Fulus. Cousian, and the upang we to make Fulus, this not can't be

from the country just, it must from the country. And this It's the illustration that it's about the last thing that we're we can't make-projectsizing our power we're,

but we also can't nationalism our. How many, bro? If, I'm not sure that if case that did take care of Singapore, that's the most important, that's not going to have taken. It's the most important. But I'm very sure, like, like, Dikwaniu, you also, that warisand that's what we're the last thinghurt's right. So,

so in Singapore, why mabwe can't make up togaping rule of law that's because they're making sure many people who are in-nagrinly. And when they're at all-awal, to English, yeah, to Oxford, to Cambridge, then to America, to the Harvard, to MIT,

that, in there, the, the way-pand-in-in-in-ponding, and, that's, can't be put-tentucan, by the people, because of the same-hmmingrich. With them in the other than

they're actually sadar that's not a person but they're making but they have a system that's able to minimize people people so, so they're

having system that not because the humanisiana but system that makes, want, not want, people will

have puttouan that can puttouan that's about the law. This is we have we have we have we're going to gregersap this and give them here to make sure. So, so yeah, this is, but, by, oh, oh, which they've been

brought. I'm going to say, andac-anac-aselom we've got to give him, I'm giving you're giving you guysel can't from the payagetalayan, the payagent pedagang-kechil, repacksa we have used not to build embatten,

not to build irrigation, but mencholakkan you, so that one time you can't you can't you can't build on

the badean with the way, that's with way that way with care that way. So,

because it then, then they're back, they know about governance, accountability, about democracy,

how much, because of the way of course. by the way that isaacus'am in each-mash-a-mash-a-mash-a-vis, and why Bayas-Siswa-NTB this is interesting. Because we're coming from the country, we're not wajibed

them to come. You know, if you can, don't pullan. Don't puthue colam this with ikan-a-can-a-one-one-a-uskigin-a-a-gigin-a-a-s. And becalanalah to allure. Workerjublisle to institutions that

because you don't need your butt but your brain. With you're being being diaspora to allure you, you know, and you can't put uprooom the area we're. Because of Indonesia

this, apolagia, if we're doing, if they're going to pullang, he's malawan. But if we're freebebass, he basically

and it's and, ternetka, we're making, Now, we're notarang, that's the other, that's about, but there's not. But, yeah, who's going to beapeutic. But, mental commasurances that, they're supercephemy. Because signal of changes that, they've seen.

Now, they've made, now, renewable energy. Kosakotakit, too, minimal, better. About renewable energy, about green tourism, about sustainability. Socap-captuble

so muchap, because, because if you're still good, now, because we're just about rule of law, because without rule of law, mas, cost of doing business is still mahal.

There's not that investor that may be able to place we're, now, not just the governor has been given given the environment that if this, if this is not be transmissican

to know, this is the real-itrable, this ishaping. Investor, I'm not sure that it's not yet manned down the same. Now, this can't be in the book of book, but in reality, there's, there. They're aghap, because he has been-piharer to the calum. Now, this, so, so doing business, that's not ever done in the place other,

but it happened. So because of that, I'm really, this is the sweet-but-notes we're not peted now. But in the long-d-pant, we're going to be able to.

Now, I'm back. We've got to be able to. If you're going to be a few-one, if we're going to, but we're going to bea-old when-in-N-Dun-Nusia this,

merems'em-a-Nusia to learn science and technology to beware 100,000 every year. without what, in what I'm about what I'm saying, and 100, you know,

we've been talking about, he has to be given to Harvard, to Stanford, now the worldminer's not, no, it's not-pah,

to Russia, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Russian, with two, three-juta,

to, it's, if you're, if you're, the amount of, dollars, can't be, two-a-oh-a-l-l-l-l-l-a-l-l-l-lars,

People's like to Poland, to Czech Republic, like that's all the same. If I'm, 100,000 people to give to out of the country, 2, 3,000 people make Gagirdunia. And that's what

has been done. China, did do you, and other than the other. I want to use a illustration. There's annaq Indonesia from

Pontianak. Not ever to Jakarta. But, I'm noteparding, to the other thanate biologian. He's about he's going to be able Olympiade,

biologi. Dapet. Dapet, attention from MIT. Dica, Biasiswha, full. Brankat, ma'i from Pontianak,

right to MIT, in Cambridge, not lewath, Giacarta. 4.0, IP's S-1. Now he's still in Stanford, where I'm going to learn in molecular biology.

I'm thinking, this is a lot of strenipitous, where he, because of the veruntungan and beckhaw that a person people, to beck, for her own biology, more than than the time of the school. He got a chance. Talent is universal, but opportunities are not universal. Now, this is but it's but we're in-bbedo'em-in'-a-old. A-Ju'ta-old, from Sabang to Meroke,

you've been ablejure tovel. Poconial, you have to bea-five percentile. But, you know, this. Now, this, in Subbao, in NtB, it's not. In Lombok. Now, this how much we've beenbeling a million people,

take, total, so far as score-neigh, in the score-ne, we're at least, weimblein, we've got to beambling, we've got in GEMET, weimblein, we're doing GEMET,

weimblein, we'll learn biology so that he can't bea-a-a-pe-a-pe-a-pe-a-pe-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-lombeiluuuuuuuu. We've got a... We have a... So they're, they're in the Ural-Nagre because of the Ural-Nahasahsha. So we're Kursusin.

They're asal-mau-so-sha-kurs-in. Even, the Uttuana-N-Chi-Niduptu-Bas-Qa-Gy. So where there is a will. There is a way. I like it. But how will this and way this can be scale. Because I can't...

And this I'm... I'm sure. I'm... And this, I'm... Like that's about the narration, it's very can't be inspiration for many people in Indonesia. Not in the dimension of public policy

but in the dimension of whatever. Because I'm seeing, this merit is a lot of years. Because as a democracy the best number three in the world, population the number four in the world, there's no reason we can't be

resander from up. With Hong Kong, India, Japan. I'm sure, shucus, America, I'm just like, I'm just about, you know,

when I'm in Kennedy School as a senior fellow, even post-doctoral I'm at least, but there's, only because there's a person in Harvard,

that's a friend-bye, I'm gonna, Tarik Mas-Ut, now, that, said, to Harvard, yeah,

this Gita Wiri-Awan, and Peter Sondah, yumbang, there, Raijew, that, when that, And so.

The other people Indonesia carien not accommodated as simple as that. What's the other than Peter Sondah who's contribution better than Hartford that.

Yeah. Mastute us, right. We're going to be able to and after that's up to the way that's there's a lot of

change. It's been bough. This is what I'm mean, this, maybe, buha manis that we're giving,

this, we can't give me, for the opinion of political. Sorry, as I'm the only way.

I've got I've got, I've got, the scale of the same-sissue Indonesia, in English, it's just 4,000. From the Tyeongk, 200,000. Scalal of the sis-sisui from Indonesia in America, now 5, 8, 8, 8, 8,000,

the time I'm 18,000, in banding now, from Tyeongk, 400-mepardt 550, So how we can, we can't be able to beaing, be competition. This is the end of the end ofgum ofesk that's in America,

the United States. They're blessed. But there 279 million other than get paid money. Now, this I'm so much. Now.

The awarding is this, this, man, weep this implein the Pendergat Pendergatiness must be systemic You are one of very very few who you can't be able to

because there's what I'm going to ask you. Because there's Cater Cicinji that I'm in order to say is very good in this. The book this, don't kick the system too hard

because the system will kick you back harder than you thought. Now, if you want to bring in And because of the last one of course. because he's not even dang.

This is makingingotka. Now, if you miscarry, if you kind of thing, the way it will be able to more. Multiplication. Now, now, if we

we're giving rations of Europe, and now like in Czech Republic to the last life sciences, or technique civil, miscellaneous, there.

Now, why? because, because, because, they're notary because, because, can, they're also, make upgrade accreditation institution that's very much need to be important

international students. So, so, there's opportunities for us to be there. But, but, in here, it has been given, to, for them to, they're going to be administered test

it's not puny. Now, this isbant. It's pretty four-bulan just. Yeah. Backan, if you're people, 100,000 people every year,

to take care, and for the Olympics, for Olympia, that's. Now, it's very, we're in, what, modality? Apak,

that's, in P, or in any, the UTS, it, the, the UTS, it, accentuasic, that's epit, chemia, it's also,

uh, berkaitan from model that we, we also give incentive, scholarship, and the sameagat for who want to learn accounting and finance.

Now, because we don't even start-up companies or technology this, if there's not there, no, no-modal-not-modal-n-modan, not-cath-cath-a-cuh-cath-a-lare-ed-a-cuh-

people who, And the people that's notamounting the part of the extended family so. So, so, we're making accounting and finance is important. Penteing.

Now, because that, we have, there's a moment now, al-hmmla, in UTS, you know,

in the UTS, you know, can't be in psychology, you know, can't be marketing, sopue, the, Interacti, right.

Right. Because, while upon Universities Technology, we have jurusan sanitari, Sini Music, there's name science, technopac

so that they're called, science and technology can be magnate with a way that's very much. And, and even

one of the problem the docor that can't make sure and make communicasical things that

all right with this with the language It's alexia. Bro, we'll alighting, to democracy. Panangangu, this, how much? Bentuc democracy, this,

how much? We've got been lewati experiment idea this long 25 years. To the the front of the democracy or process democratization, this is more good

for ade, ad, and the children, our children, our future. Now, if you're if you're notang democrycy, you know, now we're in the time of

demotangangue, consolidation, but people look, this, the democracy, making lank, to be

the wally-o-kota , and the government, and other and other, much more and,

and there, there, there gium in the community and can behilderkan, while long-called. So we're between rock and hard place

this. Now, because of it, we're not, we're making fathers we're saying, because of many of funding fathers this, the school's out of the world, too. Memong, democracy liberal,

there's there that there's if not be barrenue with the education massacat that's just toerhack. So, so, when that, the election democracy

Panjasila is a compromi. Because of the reason for the new, because, we're the President-Barranourn-Indonius 2004-this-old, should do-doch-do-do-and-do-visiveness that's-cath-cathes to be able to work-purement for sure for-in-nambungan our

to-reproven. Now, maybe democracy that's like, if it's the way, maybe it's the system. And, in-nour-n't-cum-in-law-in-law-lackan, but there-all-all-all-in-per-rebuy. If you know, if you know, Amosal right?

Apocanian-as-a-cage-da-ca-da-could-ca-degas because now, if people-lian-longed to decad-desa, fragmentation social-ness, it's hard-bred-up. Luka-battin that's, sometimes, because scop-ness is little, that's, it's, menhumbuged it,

to, well, and, now, this, model social, that's curas, habis. Now, because, I think, we have quite ari-a-ali-i-a-i-social that hasi made up to make sure that we're in mind-haping to make sure that we're inhumaning, we'll have a model democracy that's a laeuvre.

Democracy, this, akar or cabang is a lot of tabangue, is how much process democratization to be to be related about how we can't to be democratization

talenta and democratization talenta to be correlates with penselectsian talent more based meritocracy

not based on loyality or puttronase now there has a lot that I think I'm very paradoxal

we can't We've been shawping in reformation since then 78. As a autocracy, they justru, they're justru, they're just to beaerousal-discation talenta.

Ibarat Deng is very bullet. I'm not at-dully. You want pacarer of my or my enemy-goe, but if you're IQ you're 150, you patut to be pertimbanked to make uphysi,

whether or is a policy, political, or in front-unorship, or, in any, that's consistent. So, this is very paradoxal. Existency Tiansi Tiansk as autocracy, but they're very robust democratization of talent,

so it's alexion talenta is more than thaner than loyalty or puttocrat. And there's people that's about Pesta democracy democracy the number 1, number 2,

number 3, number 4, number 5 that's, there observation that's the personality that's more based on loyalties and

or patronage, not based on meritocracy. This is a discount, in. Discount, in art we can't we can't find a topalentah with the power of the economic development

is difficult. Cultural development we're not, social development we're so much we can't be transcissi from the culturean, and the world, in the context of democratization that we've been through for 25 years. Where's? If I think I'm notar

That's just Nanty down process It's going to make sure Peniswain-Penusiness But if if there's intervention which Yeah,

then it's also contra-productive If you're Because more the more than the money, the time-talentah heabat this

not can't come to Because, how to put a capacity, how to put have to have if they, if they're money just $40 million,

to be Bupati. He, he's not not put uprocious same as far as only because $40 million, he's just. Now, when it's

just, you know, man, we can't have capacity, can't be able to people, have a power to make

the people other people. Now, not the people, the, you know, can't be about,

if they, can't be able to, The way is a lot of People'shaw-bara-bara-barying, you know, you know, you're going to be a lot of dynas-na, so, so, talenta-talentah-hebate,

who got-punreaked economy, and, at least, they're over-lack, now, this is a lot of, we've seen-hekitts, if, if you're, people, that, people, that,

the the marketit, the end up after you know, imagine that's people who had been in the time,

then, it's like, and then, the life of life, and then, that, even,

we'llpac, even, as can't be national, ASN has professional, but in practice democracy,

we can, can't be, Ms. We've, Miss, Miss, my, When when we got contestation,

It's hard to make Gaiting mehirtka Now, this is what you're going to be. You're going to be able to take care of it. Because it's not to be associated with figure certain. In scope that small, this is very bad the way. Now, it must be a bitangue. It's notanguia, god of the power. from the people who's the people's

like the people who's about people's right now, right now, bad gone, b'bigone that's been overlau we're going, but we're not one day right that. But, sometimes,

because tension, the campaigner is a crass, it's hard to look can. Now, how we'll lookhack this, this is jack

digital-in-you- can, he'll make you want to make sure when Facebook's like this, because, because people

sometimes. Now, has to try the but I'm sure that's we're optimis, again, there's a bit of the sameoompson and then with the same thing

to socialization about democracy that's and it's very we're, and we're meritocracy this so our charat our, to turnang to

stage that more much, that, that's, we're given, we're, it's sure, to bea jokoy to beaughan-ruma because, because we've got toot-G-G-P-G-P-G-P-G-P,

we're not going to make-Mot-G-G-P, but with motor-G-P-G-P it, maybe not just motor-GPing, but motor-GP is, has a personeratting, which is upon, if you, if you're-N-ROMA-MOT-G-G-P,

but one-one-sarrot-sarrot-sart-N-ROT-NAN-SAT-ROMA, class international. You don't want to make up. We're not going to run-roman-jipi, but runway, bandarra, but the runway, bandarrable, for the logistics motor-GP. Perthi, it's beenarer has been long. Banarangue, masa-barned the terminal is cumu. It has been dand-in-bagus, too. Now, what logistic-neciness, the many more than the air-bohannation, you know, the highway-bassioner has been good, the street-gloor-mobleties, so many-cassilities

the telecommunications, so many. So, which, I think I, it's not a lot-biasa, actually, that's in giving us a chance of that people, like, people, like, who's notepi, but the patiae but the way,

so even though, although I'm from the PKK, actually, party opposition, but, actually, the part of the United States and the world-biasa

best. I think, in all the titic in Indonesia, anyone who's even know what what is do-laken, what is to beankun.

But, again, as far as structural, the kindlalal is a rulus. This, This is that is that is for many of us that we're in front of the full-us, back again to the back.

Now, I'm going to back again to democracy, because of pesta democracy, if I, if I'm in myrude I, it's been a lot of long and I've got and I have to look to look democratization we're to more than the selectsia talent based on meritocracy.

One of the crass or the crows that's notary to bechipakance seminjerk di-ciptakening Tombol, Like retweet, share, which, if, only mongongonged sensationalization

or festivalization, not intellectualization. This is characteristic from how we're is a parkir to make sure of democrypha. Yeah, right?

Now, this I have been thing for the people who are to be able to in the same-a-and-res-but that, that's the democracy this isamakan with amplification

algorithm. If it, that's just-men-lurs be-kel-lunjutant, we can't come-crapra, to make-pluged to get a newitist

to the different. Then, one of the metisos, how much more than human that's using H-P for 10-jams a day? I'm not abis-pickr. And, to bea-banylain who look

to TikTok, content content that's kind of sensationalization, or even festivalization, and it's trajebac-back in process communication only one-same-a-lame-a-one 8 million in planet in, they're they're communicating one-same-one.

Okay, but it's excessive. They're not communicating with predecessor our number of 107 million that's already this is the name is a history. If I'm in my opinion I,

learn from the that's more bigixtan because we can learn from the a good this is the other than we're nothered because of two phenomena one, amnesia historic

two, penguhrangan immunities cognitive we can't bea between facta and opinion this era pastacaque-benarance can, which is very lecat with an people who under young people and democracy or democratization

this is lecat with annawana young who's in the other cartoon network. But, but now they're just noblos. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we've got past C-50, can, a little bit more, this. This is, how, this? I think,

I think, again, young people, to, more, not underdited from amnesia historic. I think, I think, I'm going to and the young people more than the more than the humanitaph cognitive, so that he can be different from facta with opinion.

Now, this is very popularization percapant and polaritas perchaping. This is cancer. For we can centralization the conversation that's very need to beputed for peace and stability to the future.

Because it's a lot of power of who can be able to do not-traveling a lot more than a lot more than that's travel. Now, because of that, the land that's not-biasa-it-you-account people who are standing among the crowd. If I, I see,

I think, ma'amacquoise, yeah, that with education, that's good, with interaction, like end-game, meducation, massuracan, especially millennial, we're at, will, have, will be, and, there. So, so, so,

we'll try, make gulirkan and perubon, because, because then-hadir-like-haping that we'll be able to. Because if technology, this is like in-per-dang-a-ha-ha-ha-bara-just. Because of, social media, this governance, more good,

the direction-sychologous, our constituent, or people, we're being more-de-cate, can make bureaucracy our more pendic, that, and, yeah, it's, It's noting we'reamu social media but if we're

if we're just as far as well as we're trying to reserat pananganguagued that we'll make sure with the power of it. Amen. This is just about with the heart of you. You're still talking about

biodiversity, biodiversity, green economy. I was a few years ago lecture on-line and I'mangut a paradox paradox

on-sustainability I'm very think that's narracy sustainability this is too elitist this. This only gaung in it-it-it-to-it-a-a-o-a-o-a-o-a-a-o-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a

15 to 20% from the population of the end uproly 5% that's still care abouting to puttick they're not peduli want to pay batu barra or what,

which is affordable right. Right, right. Now, then I'm going to look at illustration on the country that's big name

India and Indonesia which, which is, which is, of 3,000-hour per hour per hour. To beaum-mahomirate narrative, it's really be able to be able to think

as far as modern. And modernity, that's if, from the sisi, like, in-sac-l-6-watt-hour, we're only still 1,300. Then I'm going to be-hung to make from 1,300 to 6,000

for Indonesia India. India India is 1,000 megawatt per time. Indonesia, 3,000 megawatt. We need 90-100 to get to modernity in 6,000 kilowatt hour per hour

per person. Sedang-can carbon neutrality as far as Glasgow, Paris, that has to be in 27 years. This, can not reconcilable this is 27-this-this-this-year.

This is a good-perlequake-a-terbuck-a-ture. Terbukaan how we can't how we can't find between supply and demand. If demand, gampang, I can be socially engineer or socially re-engineer or socially re-architect. Prilaku manusia.

You, if you can, start the day this, don't make bat-batharral. Yep, boss. Asal, there alternative that's very far down. If you're down the supply site the technology

and economics. Technology not had. Hydro, solar, the gas, nuclear, anguish. But, but the problem not

terjangal per kilowatt. The country be able to have been able to pay five cents per kilowatt. Sedang-can technology technology to minimum, 15-20 cents.

Now, this has to be subsidi if you're gonna' sub-sidization, it's not a lot of because the room fiscaling is there's badas, right? So, it must have

been pickaping from the country and the country maju. Now, if I'm looking about sustainability, sustainability, this, this, this, this,

the issue of, the issue, the issue, yeah. Now, if we're, literature, sustainability development,

the same thing that's important for the government issue, actually. But, because I'm the way of my name my second thing that's technological accumulation. Not even the country be sure sustainability

if there's a problem technology. And technology this not identical with one of technology just industry manufactures, industry industry IT, and things about, you know, have the technology that's different, and

many different. Now, now, the country is becoming to catching up in the process of industrialization, because industrialization this driving force, the most important, is innovation technology, has to be looked technology what has been a convergency that if you're going to southeckon kenten one, they've got impact on the sector that.

Now, now, people Lattah, gomonged about industry 5. In the NTVi, in Indonesia, even from 2,000, even in the bottom it, still so. So, so, so,

so, so that's been so much, so, so, we can't talk about green economy, green technology, we, we're in love-upakant that we're not puttuling, people, whether this is

popuania, or, this, the subsidy that's important, There's So, so they're not think It's about

What's the Right, this is Right, so it's technology, so it's, but technology

technology, but technology that's not singular. But, but innovations in all this this, the same

the same the way therein's better, accumulations are better, system's different.

Yeah. Mackalak sometimes idea, Mr. Jokkoi, just, that's

all, that's specialization just. But sometimes, but sometimes the department that's in the partembourging that's in the concrete. Because it's not even gongue anga. Let's say we're

bomb, pertumbunbent, the crisis COVID the current, that is Maluku Uttara, then, Sulawesi, NTVC, is good, but for people who are that learning economic, can partanguant not only

numbers, but what about the quality of growth? quality quality of what? Now, Melaucu, Uthau, Sulawesi, NTB, pertumbunuant economy, tranged as positive and good, because there are perusasance thatamang that

can't beware. Tenduant, the angas statistic we're, tingy. But, at the time other, is paradoxal that we don't want if we're not even

halirisation. Now, who like this, can be between rock and hard play, as a politician, we want to be And make-downed-hap-hart, but deep-down, now, hard we're not-sled. There's a lot that's not-sled.

So, the perjalanen, man, mas. So, and, uh, sedankan public, ingot-na, yeah, so it's kind of, so much to make-a-indunisia this. And Indonesia, Indonesia, this, terlampua heterogent, to be dedicated with one-pent-as-a-one-a-old-a-oh-oh-a-oh-. Now, because of that, because of it, because of it, Pindah to do you, so that's about

Indonesia this, not be able to get into one guy and one way. Mishanae. Mishanae, maybe, the bigot, the country to Kalimantanthamur.

Maybe in time quite, like, many, like, but, but in the sake long, this is important.

Belio has been great, because I'm Mugia, but, I'muji, but, I think,

I'muptu' It's right now. Weirited people, like, people who's money, imprimuded investations, perfor-reduited beyond Bali. Idee, that we're

termed at the place we in NTB, and the result it's really, so, for motor-jip when the sigma-naut-it-out-bush-y-old, hotel, travel agents, productivity, But but not even

but not even though but even though it's not only. Now, imagine if we have been used to evening people kind of people kind of of people kind of

people are economic classic to look at the angkaniangus too, but just just think it's just the problemerone that's because he doesn't get ridguesug for the sake of popularity, electability,

then you know how much of the power of it? You know, you know, and you know, how about it's how much? Is it, is it even in reframe or in reshape?

If you're... ...menged, ...that's... ...that's smant and it's more than ...uniform, not in the country in the country of the country

but in the country, we're going to be it in a good. We've got divergency the kind of and also divergency of the new and this, the end of the process of the

of the state of capitalism or socialism or communism or communism but what more dominant this is this is how this

this, I've got by VUI that's about it's about it's like a bigotus, like that's, right? Lago, tingat one is, this, this is capitalist that's not begis, but, but,

but there's not a bitassment, so, so, so, um, there's, there's, there,

so, there, muck, there's, there's, there's, there's, This is the capitalis

is the living company that's the way to look at the industry, but also entities organic that's just like oxygen. We need it for your life, but that is not the purpose of life. That issue about sustainability, about upgrading the society, and other things, so many things.

Manky, there's corporate social responsibility. it's like, that's like capitalism and neoclassical economics is important, we're not like, long as long as anti, because, because, there is nothing

so practical than a good theory. Now, so theory neoclassic that's been able to upgrade the rate the matter of society, and chastraan. You can't have evolutionary approach of economics, or processual paradigm.

But this, classic, capitalistic, mechanistic this is to be able to result parading material that. It's all the kinds of currowning, it's more than what, like, social, and, like, so again. So, so that's the way, I don't know, like the coutyna said China

said, not-pud-dully, the cuching-in-hitam or belang, the thing, that's, Because that isharesahshaqat. Maseratat, not important, the ideology of this now. The important, he's mampan, to beaughan,

rasa human, and chastraan. So, because of us, that, in Indonesia, this, is it more

more quickly this. Now, because I'm very sure, we're not just to beck in issue ideologism,

miso-is, capitalists, socialist, socialists, Sos Dem, this, Indonesia can't make sure, the way to make sure, and I'm sure sure in Pankhamot.

All that's justicot in Jakarta, well, t'cot a carof in fact that's in Papua. musty-a-aarifan, from Indian learner, to look at different добавan to make sure if you're mouth, andnesses-money-a-iron-garde gestellt, so he lives in Menaraguenar, Garding,

an которые-or-or-cada-o, rather Вам Derri, he didn't ever to make-merectsac quin Посherat in the cupola. So, so much mental model that, muddhawn, maybe not yet, comepani that's really, to get to all the people of Indonesia to make sure how much than it,

the vansai, the way. Sorry, this is a bit more than you, the rubulment. If we're, if we're not, if we're, that's the most dominant, two variables. Labor, and capital. In era where we're more

monosonged adorn robotics, AI, porcy labor, this is the same as farcement more than making more, right? Now, this, if we're binkus in context democracy,

the intinia, or essencey, is how we can democratization and model, so, that's allotan large-to-punuch to have access to model.

But if, not, the whole-in-as-punus, dominoesi-modal this, this can't be-kindar-on-oleg- by,

only a glintir. And this impin-es, that's-n-n-nation-in-sept-to-n-n-n-namb-namb-namb- not yamong, or even even tisenged that'senjangang is more than increased.

Now, this is how much? So, really, yeah, second-like, is that Mr. Jokoi, is. But, must be there who are men terrapakas. Yes, and, because now,

can, it's not much as much we've got to be access to the model, like, as we've said. Now, now, now, now,

when you're, if, turn to the area, it, it, bag, economists

the death of capital why the world that's whyju-major. Because they're in the country perkemonged not much, because they have a land, but not can't be able to dowank. Property rights.

Now, now, Mr. Jokoi, this is to be a society. You know, you have a certificate that can be able to bank so, so you know, can't access to the model.

This, can, the long-a-awal. Because I always on the longatant, that's always the longauling, that's the longka first, this. This is the way that's been made by Mr. Jokwani. It's, by people who are

by people perbanking, economists, economic, that's a lot of the city, so that'sercate that's not disimpan, certifications. But, it's been derogued. Now, I mean, it's actually, land-reveport, that. Now, if this is, it's not a lot.

Then it's not-a-a-lap, because this is not-sert-mortar, and he'll be able to make sure. It's right, that before, there land, capital, and labor. Maybe laboring, with the abhoring, but skit labor, it, still will be able to be a lot more than turembering. Apel-in-a-a-lacety, it's not a lot of scarcity, can't be reductions with access there's a lot of

many people. I think that's more better than than that more than than productivitas. Not based on asset. The amount

we're productivitassness is still relative rendah. At around $24,000, $25,000 per-or-o-one-torn-torn-dug-dashah. Diband-hing-in-Gas-a-Ban-Purra. Diband-hinga,

$200,000. PR our, we're still how much? How much? How much more we can't we can't make sure that productive. Because more than we can't make upendia can't productivitance to the end uproreder

from the payerset. Because asset is it can be able to if it's not bigacal-sana. Or, or people who want to bemerdaiacan, it's but if they're productive,

he's more than productivity for the penitiveness, for the penitain, or even kewirausaan, it's more than. So I'm more than... Maybe what's justicaping is, how we can't get productivity.

I mean, I'm sorry. So, if we're looking at it, one-satuner the one-stuner to make-grat-cant productivity is to introduce technological capability in the economy we're not only new under the sun. What we're in the sun?

It's all right now. English, it's done by the years ago. Now, industrial business we're not going to be able to, without industry machine per kakas. Let's try to bea-bankan. If you before, people, potong, bamboo, just two per-day to make an amyaman. With introduction, with the first one machine

just from two, byang-hmm, imagine-a-productivity. Now, if he's just made up to make sure the market, they're going to beckxed to try a new. Now, because of the, machine-mesin this, that, in industrialization, is the, inton. So, so it's the sector

technology that's a newfoundation technology that can sector the other. It's interesting, ma'am. There's a person final? Yeah, I'm not sure.

Because I'm very much, yeah, I'm very communication with people in the world, millennial, including in NDB, and they want to make make sure if one person, we can't know Thank you, thank you for the endgame.

Thank you, ma'clock. Thank you, ma'am. Tumann, that's, bro, Zulki, Klimanchah, a person pedig and manan gubernur, NtB, who's great. Thank you, thank you. This is an end game.