Escaping the Drift with John Gafford - Being a Police Officer in Todays World: The Challenges and the Rewards Ep 78

Episode Date: February 23, 2023

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from the art of the deal to keeping it real live from the simply vegas studios it's the power move with john gafford back again back again back again back again for another episode of the power move the podcast where you know we try to help things along try to make you better try to help out the community, which is what we're doing today. Success leaves clues. Success leaves clues, all those things. And you may notice the Bulgarian mongoose gained some weight, got a bigger head. No, I'm just kidding.

It's not the Bulgarian. The Bulgarian mongoose is living the life out in Hawaii, doing his thing, the hula dance and whatever else with his family. Sitting next to me in the hot seat, we will, is the counselor,ris connell counselor how are you sore sore yeah we are you and we're gonna talk to me yeah we'll talk about that in just a second joining us with us today in the studio is a friend of a friend that hits up had a good cause and uh we wanted to have him in his name is steve grimace i said right gramos gramos Grimace. Grimace. Yeah. Grimace. Steve Grimace. Steve is with the- He went to Grimace School.

He dressed up like a purple- A giant purple thing. Yeah, I went to school. Not a Grammar School. That was the dig in elementary and middle school and that. Hey, Grimace. Grimace, that's what it was. You got used to it.

It's so good. I hope you got over it because that cuts to the- What organization do you represent? I've been with Metro Police for over 24 years. Currently, I'm the president of the Las Vegas Police Protective Association, which represents over 3,500 commissioned officers with Metro and the city of Las Vegas. Yeah, and we're going to get into a very cool event today that you guys are throwing and putting on. And we're going to dig deep into...

I want to dig deep into just the psyche, the current psyche of being a policeman anymore. I just, I find that I find every time I see something in the news, I find myself asking myself the question, why would anybody want to do that? So hopefully we're going to dig a little deep in the psyche of that today. And we'll get to that, but we got to catch everybody up on several things. First off, happy Mardi Gras. You guys won't be listening to this until tomorrow connell and i just got back from mardi gras i took connell to mardi gras for the first time he got to ride in our parade on our float and uh and if you had to pick because you know you're sitting in cold seat so i'm gonna go to the top five you had to pick the top five things about going to mardi gras

what would they be big frida's playing bigfoot at tipatina's big frida's at tipatina was solid if you don't know who big frida is she is about a six foot four uh black transvestite who is the queen of new orleans bounce music i was trying to make sure that we got the entire genre of all of new orleans and i happened to see that she was playing at tipatina's uptown and it was a good timing because it was right after a parade that was going to prevent us from getting from Uptown back downtown anyway. So it worked out. It was, it was good stuff and you loved it. So that's number five. Oh, we're going in order. I would say all these things. So, um, you know, being on that float was a pretty interesting experience. You've never done it. I don't care what it is. Just go do it. Yeah. Go be on that float. Cause I was telling John rarely in life, I don't care what it is just go do it yeah go beyond that float because i was telling john rarely in life i don't care what it is you do you uh hit a home run in baseball you whatever

get a touchdown of football right which segues into what you want to talk about but you do that and it feels great right you leave your game and it's it's it's 30 seconds of pure joy and excitement and then your day goes on this is three hours where you have you're like the the grinch who stole christmas but on his way back down the hill and you're just yeah we were turning and it's tough great way to put it it is and you're on like a ramshackle sleigh okay first of all we just paid like a hundred grand for that new float it is not ramshackle if you thought that was ramshackle you should should have seen the old ride. It's made of plywood. It's not to get dosa

in here and get some Rolls Royce leather on it. But anyway, you get to be Santa Claus for three hours, and it's three hours. At the end of it, you're like almost out of serotonin. Yeah, you're done. You're like, I don't know if I can continue to be happy anymore. In fact, I think I need some misery in my life. But anyway, those are the two

major takeaways, obviously, some of the restaurants. What's the rest of it? That's two. You got three more, and you I need some misery in my life. But anyway, those are the two major takeaways. Obviously some of the restaurants, the rest of it, you got to eat. That's two. You got three more to get a fill. Okay. Um, I really did enjoy getting down to some, uh, uh, your mama's. Oh yeah. Some of your mama's jukebox. It was really cool. Can we mention something you should just never do? Listen, I don't care who you are. Let's see. Let me ask you a question. Well, Steve, we're going to get to, I promise, but I i'm gonna good buddy right so me and chris are like my favorite bar in new orleans and i'm not i don't feel like i'm in new orleans so i'm in this bar with a drink in my hand and i play stranglehold on on said jukebox i don't know why it's just a thing that i do and anyway so we're sitting in this dirty bar that i love and they have a kit they have like

the unlimited jukebox you can kind of play anything. And me and Chris are just going toe for toe with like random genre. Awesome. Great awesomeness. And then in come the, the 20 something year olds from Virginia beach on the bachelor party. And they hijacked the jukebox using cell, using cell phone app. And they're paying over to,

to, to skip our songs that I don't have an issue with. That is capitalism at its finest. If you're willing to spread the money, play what you want. Here's where I have an issue. If you play the same song on a jukebox in a bar within three or four songs of each other,

you're an asshole. Yeah. And you can't do that. And if one of those songs is Barbie girl by Aqua. No, no, no. It was,

it was cheeseburger in paradise. Oh yeah. It's just, it's just it was and they kept playing every time they played it you would think they'd never heard it just loved they blew up like it was the greatest thing ever it was terrible it was shameful behavior shameful all right back to you so that's that's now where we at three three you got two more is that three two more oh man um you know there was something a lot of fun about bouncing around watching the parades watching elvi watching those guys come around the first night yep by the time you were doing it the second third night your back is just barbecued yeah it's a it's a lot of caring it's a lot of standing yeah there's a lot of standing times and then i think just the general camaraderie those are some good dudes and uh it was a lot of fun hanging out with them and yeah

just a lot of good stories with the group of guys that have been together for a long time together so it's like that you know a connection yeah it's very difficult to find a group of of 15 to 20 pals that have just been pals forever that that is of all my friend groups if you're hearing this from las vegas or anywhere else you're listening to this from and i'm in a friend group where you live sorry that friend group in new orleans is like my favorite friend group because just the level of shit they give each other throughout the entire process is just magical you have friends did would you feel like your friends cared about you if they took it easy on you no no no no you know you're looking great today

what do you want that's that's that's when i get there for my kids that's what i usually say dad you look nice today what do you want that's the hell do i gotta give you what's the compliment that's how it goes that's how it goes so that was the new orleans recap it was it was very it was a great time it was a great time and i want to talk about one more thing before we get to steve this is my other segue thing today something happened on uh something happened i was i was watching i follow somebody here in town name uh name uh vegas starfish is her handle and she she helps out my buddy noel a lot gives him a lot of favorable reviews she just kind of cruises around vegas and gives little quick reviews of things that happen here in vegas what kind of

huh jen yeah yeah and this is what happened over the weekend so she apparently went to some restaurant downtown in one of the hotels, gave it a favorable review. And then there's another guy who has like 10 million followers on TikTok. And he's a younger guy. He's like 24, 25. And he does these very just quick food reviews, man. It's what he does. He doesn't eat in restaurants really from what I saw.

He just kind of grabs the food and then eats it at home and then gives his opinion. And he kind of – he used some of the footage that she had used saying she liked this restaurant and he did, he didn't care for it. Right. He said, I don't like it. And I didn't think it was very good. Now this cat is always really, really good. He's very careful always about saying like, this is my opinion. Opinions vary. These are my taste buds. It is what it is, but the dude's got 10 million followers. And so as soon as he didn't like this restaurant all of these people turned on this restaurant and started going on like google and smashing like smashing their reviews online and like calling and trying to get the hostess fired and just doing all this crazy stuff and then

even attacking jen who's Vegas starfish. Like I can't believe you said place was good. Like, and they have no frame of reference. And I started thinking about it. Like, where's the line or where, where's the responsibility? Accountability. Where's the accountability lie. If you were someone that's got, cause literally dude,

like someone with 10 million followers on tech talk could put either one of us out of business for the sake of doing it. Are you going to, well, you're going to go after a lawyer and say what? No, no, no, but they can. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But here's the, here's the, here's the problem. If they decided to go on Chris Connell on Google and smash, can you not plant seeds? No, no, no, don't do it. Don't do it. It's terrible. Don't do it. But if they decided to go on and do that and you add 400 one-star reviews, your business is screwed. You're done. And look to this guy's credit. And I'm not blaming the influencer. I'm not and you add 400 one-star reviews, your business is screwed.

You're done. And look, to this guy's credit, and I'm not blaming the influencer. I'm not blaming the influencer at all. He went on again and posted another video saying, listen, if you're doing this shit, you're no fan of mine. I don't condone this. This is not what this is about. Don't do this.

And it's like I think you've got to have accountability as that influencer and understand that you could turn somebody's lights out that has worked very hard to build a business. So you could shut them out. And then, but also, at what point do they have responsibility for the mob mentality that they've monetized through social media? So I don't think you're out there saying this is my opinion and people like you and they turn on people. I mean, I think it's responsible when they say hey can you not do this this is somebody's livelihood i i this is clearly an opinion yeah but yelp yelp is protected as um freedom of speech i know that very intimately i have i've had a case on this that go up to the supreme court and i won it was about it was about the the right to have an opinion publicly. You're allowed to have a public opinion.

If you do something that's slanderous, you can't say something untrue. You can't not have done something. You can have an opinion. I think this guy's an asshole. You have that absolute opinion. As a police officer, that comes up a lot. Someone can come up to you and say horrible things, and you're like, well, you have a right to have a public opinion.

Even if it's in bad taste, even things, and you're like, well, you have a right to have a public opinion, right? Even if it's in bad taste, even if I think you're a little dick, you have the right to do that legally, right? Now, people sue people over Yelp reviews. It's happened, right? And they get what's called slapped. It's a slap, strategic lawsuit against public participation. And what happens is you can be fined liable for their attorney's fees for having to come after you that slap suit so that's why yelp all these people they just put their hands off i'm an ip

i'm a just i'm an internet service independent third party yeah i'm an isp i'm you know i'm all these things uh and they do have a method of disputing one star reviews you say these people were never my these people never ate there these people were never my clients or whatever so that's the kind of best you can do. You just have to depend on the civility of the average person. I know people get really histrionic about that. They go, oh, everybody's nuts and crazy and the world's falling apart. The world is actually very well organized,

and it's doing a lot better than people give it credit for. It's that we see the margins where people are nuts. But isn't it kind of double-edged sword that what that 1 million 10 million followers if i go to an establishment that everybody else said is no good and i go and i say actually this is quite good i've driven customers to them so you know he's done that no he's done that yeah no i mean it's the responsibility though it's both ways right hey if i'm going to go out there and call balls balls and strike strikes if the place is good the place is good if the place is not good in my opinion Yeah, no, I mean, it's the responsibility. It's both ways, right? Hey, if I'm going to go out there and call balls, balls and strikes, strikes.

If the place is good, the place is good. If the place is not good, in my opinion, like you said, we live in that same world, police work and me at the union. Whether it's a politician or anybody like that, I don't say you hate cops. I say it's my opinion that you don't like cops. Chris, why? It's so terrible. No, I'm kidding. But no, but again, all of this landed somewhere somewhere with me and i'll tell you where it landed i'm officially and because we because a

lot of people listen to this podcast man we get a lot of downloads and i mean you know in any given week the quarter of a million people are watching these clips running through instagram and everything else that happens i know where this is going and and and so i'm officially because i never know who's going to take it too far and do something no i don't like what i'm letting i'm letting it go i'm officially ending the war with chiles you know what that sounds like i've officially given up no it's not it's not that i've given up it's not that i've given up here's what it is it's there was there was the the single mom that's waiting tables at Chili's in Salt Lake City did not make the decision to tell my car.

One bad human did. So why am I going to try to take food out of her mouth and punish her by continually bashing even though you deserve it Chili's. There you go John. No no. Listen I'm letting it go. I'm letting it go because I don't want to hurt anybody in the peripheral with my year-long now war with Chili's. I don't want to do it.

So I'm letting it go. It's an inside joke. It is a long war that I've had with Chili's. It's a war he's lost. He thought he was going to beat Russia. He's hit the wall with Ukraine. I've hit the wall. Did I bring the right amount of guns?

Right, but here's the deal. I'm pulling the troops out as a humanitarian mission. I am not admitting defeat on the battlefield. I'm merely for the sake of humanitarian, for everybody else affected by the war with Chili's. I don't want them damaged. Pull the troops out slowly. Don't take them all out at once.

So I'm pulling them. No, I'm going to create a vacuum. Just create a power vacuum. All of a sudden, Moxies or Capitol Girls. If Applebee's moves in and takes the thing over, that's not my fault. I'm pulling out. I'm done. All right.

Well, enough nonsense. Let's get to what we talked about today. So Steve is with us from the police union, one of them. And we're going to get to with the event that you're throwing and why you're here and what you're trying to promote. But first, man, let's learn a little bit about you. Sure. And then I really, again, the reason I was fascinated about this, A, I love to help out the local causes whenever we can. We're for purpose business here. We support a lot of local charities. And when I heard this, I was really interested. I'm

like, man, that's going to be some good, that's going to be some good talk about police. Because every time I turn on, every time I turn on the news and you see something and look, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that, that there's not good police, bad police, whatever else. But the point of the matter is, is literally literally, if you're a police, you could make a decision in a split second. In a split second, you have to think about something that you could go to prison for for the rest of your life,

out trying to protect and serve. You know, some of the stuff we've seen lately where they hold the guy up while we beat him and then he dies 12 hours later, that's not what we're talking about. That's way over the line. That's ridiculous. But the quick pull and the,'s, that's way over the line. That's, that's ridiculous.

But the, the quick pull in the, I thought he had a gun and it was a mirror and I shot him and now I go to go like that stuff is. And the more, the, and the more of these out there, the harder that job is.

So I want to get to the psyche of today's policemen. I want to get to, or in police women, I want to get to what made you want to be a police. Oh, let's start with you. So let's, let's start.

Tell me your back history. Where did you go to school? How'd you grow up? What made you want to be a policeman? Sure. So my, my dad was a police officer in New York. I was born in New York.

Um, and, during his time in New York, he was a union president in the department he was with. We'd come out to Vegas quite frequently with Whitey Ford and some old jerky players. I was thinking about Whitey Bulger. I'm like, whoa, what kind of cop was your dad? Wrong Whitey.

Different town. Different state. But so he told my mom and he said, listen, I'm tired of the winters out here. I'm going to go be a cop in Vegas. Let's go so he packed uh myself my two brothers and my sisters and my wife or my mom up and how old yeah right what year was that uh 1980 yeah dad was metro when when uh let's just say there was no hedge funds running the casinos yeah yeah my my dad was a cop out here when uh when being a cop out here was serious business yeah you know You didn't backtalk the police.

You respected the police when they came around. Even gangbangers knew when the police rolled through, we didn't play games with the cops. We knew our place, and while crime still occurred, cops enforced it well. And police work has evolved as it should, like everything as it should. I'm sure my father, God rest his soul, has done did things that you would never do today. But it is what it is. So I grew up out here, played football since I was a kid, was going to go to college and play football, but chose the police career. I joined the police department in 98, and I've been here for 24 plus years.

Since I joined, I've worked undercover before I went to the union. I worked in narcotics. I was an undercover detective for about a year and a half. I had a great time here in this city in Henderson. I did deals out here all over town and went to the union in 14, took over as president in 16. And that's where I've been ever since. So, so you were bred for the job. I mean, you were just around it. You saw it the whole time. So from 80 when your dad was there, was the job much different already when you got into the police force

and what did you say, 98, you said? Sure. From when he started? Oh, no. Yeah, in general. Yeah. Oh, God. The evolution of police work

from the 80s to the late 90s. I mean, it was so much more policy, so much more rules and laws in place. What do you think caused that? Honestly, probably some bad police work. You know, I mean, we look at some things where corruption could run rampant and things like that. And like every profession, you know, bad employees, bad people in the profession, ruin the profession for the future. But some of that stuff made us better as we, as we recognize the things we were doing wrong. And I think even my father, like I said, up until, you know, he passed away three years ago, but he'd always say, you know, I couldn't be a cop in this day and age.

Yeah. And it wasn't the work, you know, crime was still crime, robberies, robberies, murders, murders. But the oversight, the scrutiny, and uh you know the attention that's focused on the police officer the modern day police officer now as opposed to back then you didn't have phones you didn't have cameras you didn't have body cam body cam you know these they were entrusted to do the right thing and sometimes uh they went astray so do you think that like the old uh old statement that's who will watch the watchman right yeah for sure for sure

what do you think the first thing i can remember off the top of my head where i was thinking about The old statement that's who will watch the Watchmen, right? For sure. For sure. What do you think? The first thing I can remember off the top of my head where I was thinking about like there was bad police stuff would be like the whole Serpico thing. Like in the 70s with all of the cops in New York. Do you think that that bled throughout the country when that happened? Because a lot of people went down to that New York police force. You were from there. Was your dad?

Because your dad would have been leaving there about that time in 1980 yeah so that's an interesting take they uh you know the the things that like i said went on back then um now when it's highlighted and you have a case where they they find corruption and things like that yeah it causes other people to kind of check themselves on what they may be doing and realize that people are paying attention to this type of stuff, whether it's politicians or informants that are, you know, doing things with cops and then turning on the cops and, you know, doing, uh, probably doing the right thing and notify them that, Hey, there's corrupt police officers back in the day. Yeah. How, so, so you, so becoming a cop in 90, in 98, you've done it all as far as you said. How much different is the demand now for people that want those jobs versus when you started in 98?

So back in the 90s, you had 3,000, 3,500 applicants for a single testing cycle. You had lines of people at Cashman Field or 601 East Fremont, used to be our old personnel building, wrapped around Fremont Street with people wanting the job. May of 2021, we had, I believe it was 254 applicants for the job. So less than a tenth of them. Yeah, a huge decline, huge decline. Uh, even from 2019, may of that same year, we had a 1600 applicants.

It just, you know, post George Floyd and all that stuff. And, uh, the rhetoric against cops and politicians jumping on the bandwagon saying the police profession needs to be defunded and all that nonsense that caused people to second guess it and go, you know, listen, I may want to go out there and do the right thing. Uh, but these folks are looking for reasons to put me in prison when i just make a mistake you know and so that caused a sharp decline uh in our profession for sure how much is because of that like because of that how have the hiring standards changed over the years i mean because of i mean i would guess almost because that you have to have much higher cognitive

for like you're probably trying to hire much smarter people for sure i had to guess yeah you know i mean having a you know there's a a push across the country people having a college degree being a more educated workforce uh is probably a better workforce in their minds um you know the the the knuckle dragger knock the door, punch in the face guy is old guard. And what they want now are people that are thinkers that can deescalate and talk their way through something rather than having to use force. What do you think of that? So I've heard kind of mixed bag from different police friends of mine. I come from a cop family.

My grandfather was deputy chief of the city I grew up in. My dad would have become a cop, but he had terrible eyes, so he became became a teacher in jail so he taught high school in a young offender center all my uncles are cops like all of them so i didn't really get in trouble when i was yeah but that's in canada rcms arresting people for city arresting people for stealing syrup how hard is that you know yeah but when they're big barrels of syrup and i'm sure they're like oh difficult oh jeepers you got us just throw the cuffs on. No problem, sir. He's going to go to Toronto one day and be like, oh, my God. It's not even close.

But anyway, so. It's my dream. You let me live it however I want. I've heard, and I have some police officers who are clients. One of my clients started his own body-worn camera system and trains. You probably know him. But anyway, I've heard kind of different perspectives on this that the left is usual and i have things i vacillate back and forth i'm a i'm a lawyer i look at things in a very flip-flopper is what we call them in today's politics when the

facts change my opinion changes i just need facts but at the end of the day um i've heard a lot of police they talk about the defund the police thing was the absolute worst way you could have ever structured that. The refund the police or allocate in a way where cops are great, except in some circumstances, I don't even think cops want to be there. You get some guy who's, do you need the same, because the same solution shouldn't be for every question right so cops oftentimes like wouldn't if there was a police a part of the police force that only did traffic or something or whatever there's some solution where the people that you know are going to be doing this one thing aren't going to be the people that will put you in prison right like an administrative tax collection service whatever it's called for or get a photo rate or whatever i know the police union there's there's going to be pushback on some of the stuff which makes sense but if i was a cop i'd hate to

always have to be responding to like some boyfriend yelling at his girlfriend you know i know it can escalate i know all these things but it's like if there was more kind of isolated task forces or some sharper instruments that can be used for different, you know, you got a hammer for when you need a hammer and you got a scalp when you need a scalp. Let me sum up his question real quick. He thinks that there should be a police force to collect taxes and you shouldn't have to go to calls where men are yelling at women. Is that pretty much sum it up? That's what I, that's all I got. That's all I heard. So we're taxing folks as much as we can. We already are anyway, right? I go to court and I fight it for people and whatever. It's an

administrative joke. Yeah. It's an administrative joke. Yeah. It's an administrative joke. I don't necessarily think that the same people that are taking down real issues, like one of our friends' brothers in SWAT. I mean, that job is way different than the guy giving tickets. So if the guy giving tickets wasn't the guy that they thought could pull them up for a warrant and take them away with that you know but i think the limited the limited resources probably you have to kind of layer them over everything i don't know i just

think that there's probably solutions that maybe we haven't come up yet and i'm wondering if you guys have a perspective so it it's interesting you say that and and in theory uh if you said hey if uh john q citizen in this white prius with some lights on it's pulling cars over uh that uh no one's going to take it as a threat and so they're not going to shoot it out with them right one of the yeah no as a yes um so here's here's where that goes awry is when that guy in the prius does get shot and killed and the guy in the car was wanted for a murder and is pulled over by what he believes is any form of authority. Uh,

and so that's when it goes South. Let's talk about, uh, the mentally ill, right? Right. Uh, same issue.

Uh, most of the mentally ill, truly mentally ill people, uh, don't have a cognitive, um, thought process on what's going on around them. Someone has to be there to make

that scene safe. And so when all this defund the police in some weird way, I understood what some people were saying. What they were saying is, to what you said, is there a different way to police? There is a different way to police and it's over-investing in what we do. It's not taking you two officers off the street it's saying let me put steve with you two officers and when you make the scene safe and we have that person that now needs the help they need steve can step in and and that's where i think you can have you're right cops don't like dealing with a mentally ill homeless man they wish they could help them we don't have the resources for that you know it's we're still humans at the end of the day and we'd love to help everyone we come across um but it's got to be in a safe manner and when people

you know some legislators talk about you know if we have a domestic violence send in the peer counselor until the peer counselor gets stabbed in the throat you know and so you know having extra help none of us are against at all uh it but that's the conversation is is how do we add to the scene to make the scene safe for that person to come in and offer the services that are necessary and and that's what we support that type of stuff we we do support i'm an roi guy yeah for sure i'm an economist so everybody always has opinions on stuff i say whatever those are i'm an roi guy do cops want to be pulling people over for small amounts of personal drugs? I mean,

it's one of those things. There's things where I, I tend to think a lot of these things are health problems. Personally. I think those are mental health problems a lot. And I think that needs funding as well. So I'm not against funding all these things. I don't want to be spending money on stuff that's wasted.

I want things to go into that, right? I want there to be facilities that people can go if they have treatment drug issues. I don't want to be spending money on stuff that's wasted. I want things to go into that, right? I want there to be facilities that people can go if they have treatment drug issues. I don't need, you know, a single officer going into a place and putting their own life. You know, I'm okay with, you know, investing in our community, right? With realistic, you know, options. And I'm just wondering if there's a better way to do it. Well, I think part of it, for me anyway, anyway as i look at it is the problem is the people's perception of what they can now get away with in dealing with the police i mean i could give you two great examples of that number

one we were just in new orleans it it's a shit show i mean it feels genuinely unsafe and like all the carjackings and all the crazy stuff that's happening. And it's like 13, 14 year old kids doing armed robbery, shooting each other. I mean, it's, it's bad and it's really bad to the point where the mayor's about to get recalled. Hopefully that'll happen.

Um, my Uber driver said, don't even call the police. Yeah. It said, don't even bother. And then, but also you look at what happened in Austin this weekend.

I don't know if you saw that where there was doing street racing or something and the cops pulled up on it and like a mob came at the cop and the cop was like nope i'm out yeah i'm out so i mean at what point and what do you think drove the mentality that all of a sudden that is okay politicians telling them that it's okay uh and it's funny you know you bring up uh you know yelling at people right police officers getting yelled at every day cursed at in the face called names that you would not call some people that you absolutely hate uh and and they're told there's not much you can do about it you just got to take it uh but look at a basketball game if someone calls lebron james a bad name from the sideline they throw them out of the arena and revoke their

tickets forever they can never come back to the state well isn't this free speech i mean you know if the cops can deal with which we shouldn't and i don't think lebron should deal with it either there should be some standard set you know but the folks say hey look at maxine waters when all this crazy stuff was going on hey if there's a trump supporter out there get in their face oh yeah approach them make them uncomfortable well if people said that about other folks in the other side of the aisle you know you'd be saying oh well they're you know they're attacking them how dare they they're anti that and so when you look at the police and i go back to like back when my father was a police officer you know and a police officer stopped a hardcore gangbanger uh they showed them respect they showed the police

officers very seldom and if they didn't the ogs of the group would grab them why because they didn't want the pressure in there on their groups that they would put now you see an officer stopping someone or using force on somebody and very minimal to handcuff them whatever 15 phones right in their face they feel that they can get as close as they want oh yeah there's no real law talking about distance in our state about how close you can be. It's just, you know, yeah, well, that's, that's a open-ended, you know, Hey, what is it to you? You know? And so it's, I think that is where we got to get back to is talking to truthfully is talking to our kids and talking to our young adults and saying, listen, there's folks that are out there that you need

to respect. Now, if they don't show you respect, and this is a campaign that we've tried to talk to people about, it's comply, then complain. You don't like what the cops are doing. You think they stopped you illegally. You think they did this. The time to solve that is not sitting in the driver's seat of the car or in front of the police car. It's later. Hey, I'll comply. Do what you need to do, officer.

I don't agree with what you're doing. I think this is garbage, but I'm going to comply with you. Well, it's like you look at what what happens and it's like the shooting that just happened not too long ago that was terrible i mean granted terrible but it all it all starts with the story starts with subject ran subject fled subject to what like just just deal with the just sit there and deal with it and then be courteous be kind and it's not always going to go i mean obviously there's been situations where it doesn't always go the way that it should that way but i think you got a much better chance of of dealing with the situation in a positive out

with outcome if you just comply a little bit whether you agree or not though the perspective in the voice is that you can say that because you've never had any experiences you didn't grow up being profiled i was talking about the other day and it was a totally random thing we were literally working out beside colin kaepernick he was in our gym and he was saying something he was like yeah what he's a super nice guy i've never really heard him talk about anything racial but he's an african-american guy and he said he goes he goes i've been pulled over i've counted 70 times he goes and it was this issue that issue issue, this issue, that issue.

And he goes, I sold this car to my girlfriend. She's been pulled over three times in four years or something. And I had it for a couple years, pulled over 70 times. He's like, because the area I was in or whatever. And he was going, that's what that guy was talking about. It was off the conversation. I was just like, you know, I understand people feel sometimes they're not heard. So I think what this comes down to is having that conversation with people without having a, you're a fucking leftist retard. You're a Trump ass, you know, whatever it is.

If we're going to continue to do that, there's no hope for anyone that is not the way. So what it is is conversations. I think that's probably the first step in good policing, right? No doubt about it. And when you talk about the evolution of police work you know the community-oriented policing model is one of the biggest thing that has shaped police work in in current society you know realizing that it is a partnership yeah you know take the worst neighborhood here in vegas there's still good people that live in that neighborhood that have been a fabric of that community for many many years uh and they don't like that criminal element in there as much as the police, as much as everybody else doesn't.

And so you talk to those people. You don't walk in and say, I'm going to generalize that this entire area is all shit. That's right. You walk in and realize, just like police officers, the group as the whole is just fine. It's fine. I got to find the ones that are making this area

bad because guaranteed those folks don't want you in here either it's like the the taliban isn't welcome in a lot of parts of afghanistan yeah you know like there's things which i don't want this yeah most people across the board right want the same few things they want to have some kids they want some security they want some money they want to eat right kids. They want some security. They want some money. They want to eat. Ride on a Mardi Gras float. Ride on a Mardi Gras float. Three hours of joy. You know where the Taliban would probably be welcome? Chili's.

See? I knew you were going to say that. Go, go. I'm already referring to that. I'm referring it back to it. I'm looking for ammunition. I'm referring it back to it. Damn it.

Sorry. But to that point, I completely agree with you. You know, there's this thing in TikTok social media culture where that one thing means we exaggerate the whole we average to the we average to the exception and when you think about policing on a day-to-day amount of interactions that go off in the united states of america with 330 million people whatever there are a lot of arrests there are a lot of police interactions and 99.999 percent of them go off without a hitch for sure without a hitch so well it doesn't get any clicks if you post the guy taking the ticket and sign it and driving off

that doesn't get any likes or clicks but that is we can't be hyperbolic about all this stuff we have to actually talk about in an honest way what the things we want to improve on are we can't just say wipe it clean that's why i'm not saying that I have a perspective. I don't know. I haven't studied policing or justice. I'm a lawyer. The things I think about have that perspective. And I think you get some lawyers to talk to some district attorneys, and you get police officers involved, people from the community. And when you have a dialogue going, most people are willing to listen as long as it's not

an obnoxious conversation that's full of ad hominem vitriol where i'm spitting horrible things this is what you do you've done this it's talking with not at yeah right i mean that's that's it and you know you look at our sheriff joe lombardo and now kevin you know i think one of the reasons you don't see some of the crazy things that you see across the country is how invested they are in the different communities with their multicultural councils and they're talking to these folks that are in the fabric of those communities saying hey these let's have these back and forth like you said conversation it's not me talking at you telling you how you got to treat the police and we're perfect and you do not yeah it's it's a it's a mutual thing and

understanding yeah i gotta tell you i feel pretty i feel pretty lucky here i feel i feel las vegas as a whole it's pretty safe i feel like it's a safe place i don't i don't feel like i mean if you go to like i mean you can feel now seattle doesn't feel safe to me you can feel some of these areas where defund was huge and it doesn't feel like they're like for example did you feel safe in the french quarter at all on that front i mean that i'm nuts john i've been to africa three times when we got trapped when you guys want to walk down bourbon at 10 o'clock on saturday stupid me for letting it happen i looked i could see the fear in your wife's eyes oh my wife she was terrified i had her walking down in in this the souks of marrakesh and side streets now i'm six

foot three 270 pounds i'm not necessarily i don't have a perspective of being worried no but here's the difference if she gets harmed in new or if something happens in new orleans she's gonna get hurt something happens in marrakesh you're gonna get what like 50 60 camels out of her we already talked about this she's got blonde hair i mean you're gonna get an insurance yeah exactly they're not gonna mess with you and you're probably gonna get something out of it for me don't you have listeners in like morocco john i think we actually we're huge in morocco huge in morocco so no but i'm talking about the not the good people in morocco like he said the bad people yeah las vegas still has this kind of there's a lot of

there's a lot of um transient people here so i've never felt unsafe but i don't feel like there's a lot of meant there's a lot of um transient people here so i've never felt unsafe but i don't feel like there's necessarily that much of a community either that's building up towards everybody taking ownership and like i said to your point i'll never i don't care how how much i agree with you if you tell me that you need to do this if somebody points their finger at me and tells me what i need to do i shut off even if they're right so do you have a lot of those things kind of going on right now round tables and oh for sure i mean you know between all the area commands with their leadership and their officers and realizing it's better to get buy-in than it is to order folks around um you know listen in police work there's

still a time for i gotta make you do something. But most of the time from, you know, represent our officers and use of force cases and things like that, it's very last resort. We're not as triggered to want to go after somebody at a drop of a hat. You know, my father's back in the day, and even when I started, it was ask, tell, make. That was it. Now it's, come come on you know but again there comes a point where sir just give me your driver's license and then that's going to end and that's where you know people kind of think that no i'm not going to let you sit in a car

for 10 minutes while we debate over whether i can get your insurance registration otherwise i'm pulling you out uh you know i tell cops this all the time never make threats that you can't follow through on you know as a lawyer how many times have you at least heard the story a cop came to our house for a domestic all we were doing was arguing they said if i come back someone's going to jail i tell these kids well for what they can argue all they want they don't put hands on each other there's no arrest for verbal domestic violence yeah stop saying that stuff you know try and figure out why i keep coming back you know maybe you two aren't good together maybe someone should leave for the night you know but uh those are things that there's still a point where the officers have to do their job and they have to um they

can't allow that type of contempt to continue uh but by and large these kids nowadays i say kids because i remember there's everyone's a kid that trust me i'm with you everybody's a kid i love when i say to my girls i'm like you, you know, I don't feel old. You know, we talked, you do jiu-jitsu, I do jiu-jitsu. And so I feel like I'm engaged. We almost made it one whole episode. No, no, we're about to go in deep on that. I actually have a very serious question about that with you. Training in police jiu-jitsu, I was, Chad Lyon, we talked about Chad.

Chad and I went back to Jacksonville last summer and taught in Jacksonville some police jiu-jitsu stuff. And that's sweeping the nation, and it should, because it's reducing officer injury. It's reducing citizen injury. It's reducing use of force encounters, because you're ending things a lot quicker. You're not causing distance and allowing things to happen. You're getting close, and you're locking people up, and you're doing without hurting them. But you as an officer, let's say you're out on the street how how could you ever be like i'm gonna get into an interaction with people i do the thing and i still get nervous before a match sure i do it like i know what i'm doing right yeah i mean not well better than the person yeah for sure to 95 of dudes out there i'm

i'm more than capable of doing what i need to do right but that's that's me and i'm a blue belt i'm like a 10-year blue belt because i'm a bit of a sandbagger but it's a different story but uh it's a long story but anyway um so we we go do that if i was a cop i would be like i'm not taking the job till i'm a purple belt yeah so in jacksonville it's really cool their their program is when you graduate the academy you will have done enough jiu-jitsu that you will be a blue belt when you graduate it was it was it's a great program that you know we keep trying to talk to many people about instituting mesa arizona is is locked in with chad lyman's uh c4c pjj he has a lot of affiliates

he's a stud by the way oh yeah 53 years old right now he's got no cartilage in his knee and him and i were rolling last week and just kicks the shit out of me and you know but but it's funny you know and i my nephew my nephew's a young police officer he's a good shape kid six two 180 185 lifts all the time all that stuff and here's old fat uncle steve and we brought him up to the to the office one day and we trained and a minute in he's dead. He he's gasping for air and it's just all body weight, need a belly, just putting some pressure on the kid to let them know, Hey, this isn't going to go how you think. Uncle Steve is going to fold you and close it. And I, and I tell that story. I told him and I talk and I tell it to cops nowadays. I go, that should scare the hell out of you.

If a guy like me can outpace you easily, your whole thought process of, oh, I just see red when I get mad. The world better look out. I'll kill everyone. You ain't going to do nothing. You think you're going to do something. You don't know how to fight. And none of it works.

You're right. It's like Rogan said, because when he was a kickboxer he's like i was a kickboxer i was fighting at a state level olympic level taekwondo i go to my first jujitsu class and i was a helpless baby no doubt about it i think i didn't you could do whatever you wanted to me and i was totally helpless i thought i was this great fighter and i was fighting at a high level the guy guy who works with uh chad and i uh bob gluenski uh from w, trained with Duke Rufus. Very good Muay Thai, very good stand-up. Same issue, though.

He's like, man, I started jiu-jitsu, and I just realized what I didn't know. And if it could stand the whole time, that's great. But we know most encounters end up getting into a clinch or going to the ground. As an officer, too, I would think that's true. You're not going to stand and square up with a guy either. You're going to sit there and box with a guy. guy listen the optics of that don't look good right as normal citizens do you want to see a match with a cop no an officer in a in a muay thai stance and

throwing head kicks and like no that's not what you want it's a fireman but we'll get to that later that's a fireman yeah i mean they're usually holding short for us waiting for us to clear the scene and there you go usually waiting at the bank to cash their checks from triple overtime so front front of the front of the show is tim larkin uh sasha larkin is his wife um you know tim when violence is the answer a lot of hand-to-hand technique is is the stuff that he teaches is that valuable or is that something or you guys just you're looking you're grimacing me now i'm dying to hear what to say about any any training is any training but i i believe you know we talk about uh hand-to-hand encounters and stuff like that in our profession uh it's not optimal uh it's not our our end goal if if we're in a physical

encounter our end goal we got to get you in handcuffs just to do you it isn't to knock you out it isn't to do there's a lot of things we can't do that we could do in the street if we weren't cops sure and so that whole mantra of yeah you know learn this strike this throat punch and this pressure point no i mean it's not useful we've got to it could be but it's for special forces not for yeah right for police for us to facilitate the mission that we have it's got to be, I got to just control you. Restrain. And if I can control another human, all the better.

He's not hurt. I'm not hurt. There's a good chance he's going to feel that submission that, okay, I'm done. I'm locked up. Let me just go ahead and comply. And then what do we have? We have no use of force report. No medical person rolling to the scene.

No medical person goes to jail, and that's it. And that's it. Did you see that shoplifting at the, the it was like a walmart how long ago this is a fairly recent video i saw i don't know how old it could be here no it's okay it's kind of viral this officer was taken down this this person smashed in a window inside a walmart and the cop was there i guess they were doing something crazy out of the scene and the officer engages in like some pretty sweet jiu-jitsu, gets in a triangle, takes an arm, and this person's resisting and kicking and spitting and freaking out.

And it was pretty slick. And I was going, that guy, that guy is the base level of training I would want to have. And it was smooth, and he did it with his whole gear on. That guy's probably a real killer. We had an incident here. I want to say it was a year and a half ago two years ago we had an officer in uniform full uniform fight with a guy and same thing working he ends up getting top position he gets him out he spaces

out he just kind of tires the guy out guy moving around thinking he's going to buck him off he doesn't and he rides him out and in the end the guy was gassed and took him into custody you know and and i think that's what uh-jitsu really will start teaching people. Listen, you're not going to throw people into a Kimura in the middle of the street while I'm trying to arrest them. But I can close the distance, and I can get a solid body lock, and I can get a takedown, and I can get in a good dominant position, and I can hold that position and wait for backup

so we can get you into custody safely, or I can get you to give up and I can get you into custody safely. Yeah, there you go. Well, let's ask a different question. I'm sorry, Chris. We're going to move on from this. Thank you for joining us for Jiu-Jitsu Weekly with your host, Chris Cuddle. I'm having a blast.

I know you are. I know you are. Unfortunately, a large percentage of our realtor-listed base doesn't practice Jiu-Jitsu. So I have a question, and it's this. And it may be varied along political lines, whatever it is, but what is the opinion or what is the general opinion of police when it comes to guns right now? As far as what?

As far as just guns in the street, legal guns, carry guns. You see that's such a hot button within our politics, the long guns, trying to make those illegal what is the general opinion of the guys that really have to face them down more than anybody else on those on those assault weapons or everything else they are supportive of law-abiding uh gun carrying folks um you know when when there was uh when steve sisolak was trying to make maybe a push on mag capacity and some certain firearms here in the state, my cops were blowing me up. Steve, what are we doing about this? What are we doing about this?

Because the problem is not the lawful, sane-minded gun owner. Sure. It is the criminal element. It is the mentally incapacitated element. Those are the problems. And so, you know, look at Chicago. There's laws out the yin-yang on the books in Chicago to be a gun-free zone. And we have people getting murdered daily with weapons.

It's not a make it illegal. Let's start enforcing what we have. You're a bad guy with a gun. Let's make sure you go to prison. You're not sitting there on the streets to victimize other people The issue though for our folks, you know here is an open carry state We come across weapons all the time and it took training for our guys to understand like okay It doesn't always mean because you have a gun on your hip that you're a bad person

Now I have to be vigilant. I have to know it's there and I have to tell you sir I know you have a firearm on you and keep your hands up on the steering wheel keep you got it you know um but to what we talked about the split second decision now when all of a sudden you're very clear on those instructions and that person starts to move their hand now things change you could be the best gun owning law abiding citizen but making actions like that cause a normal person that's what people forget cops aren't real normal people they're normal they're normal they have human error they have human feelings they see things in the half a second you moved your hand from the steering wheel to the center console

they're thinking of their wife their husband their kids sure am i going to make it through the night all that flashes right then and there and so trying to tell people you know you got to be perfect in every scenario it's not going to happen. I was just getting my hero sandwich. Yeah. Do you think that, do you think the job will ever become desirable again? Or do you think that it's going to continue to decline? Police works a calling at the end of the day. What I'd like to see more of in this city is, and I know this for a fact, that you look at new york look at boston look at places

where families stay right police families my grandfather was on a job my father was in we what happens here most of the time is and it's shocking because we have such great tax structure here that we don't have state tax and all that a lot of our cops leave this state when they retire instead of raising their family and maybe their young sons and daughters to take up the mantle as that family unit of police as it so now we're just hoping that we can recruit outsiders to come in it's a lot of professions i think here yeah i think people leave and i don't get it well i think i think as we become i think as we add sports as we become more of a metropolitan city, that you can really lay down roots. And it's becoming less and less about the gaming industry here.

I think you'll start to hopefully see some of that. There's got to be a real big highlight on the suburbs of Vegas. I mean, we're all probably in the same boat. Out-of-town friends that really don't know where you live. Oh, man, it must be great living close to the Strip. I'm the one guy that actually kind of lives near the strip totally randomly. See, I'm by Mount Charleston. I'm like, listen, these are just homes.

These are just people. There's no hustle and bustle of the strip and worrying about people with handbills, hands out and all, you know? Well, I know a couple of years ago, I think Henderson was ranked one of the safest cities in America to live in. Is it still that way?

It's up there. Henderson's a good spot. Good old Hendo. When I moved here, the city of Henderson had had two murders yeah i was like i'm where i'm from in canada we were the murder capital of canada conveniently he says he moved here just before it happened just after it happened i moved here to get away from the crime but uh tell you they get all hopped up on those tim hortons and bad things happen

this guy i gotta cut him off he's gonna keep talking about maple syrup so um what's this police uh football yes since he was talking about sports i was reminded that's a good segue so so uh uh we uh a little backstory on on what the the game is so in 1974 to 1983, they played this game. They played it at Sam Boyd. Police First Fire was actually a very big game. Commissioner Kirk Patrick from the County Commission remembered every game. And so when it started, their goal was that the hospital was not UMC, was not the county hospital, had a different name. And a fireman's daughter was on dialysis. And the only place you could get dialysis was in Utah. So they played this game to raise enough money to buy a dialysis machine for the local hospital.

Oh, wow. Through charitable contributions, they ended up buying three. So every year they were finding a new charity to play for. We found out that eventually more hands started coming out from people that were giving free stuff. Hey, we'll cover the cost of your program. We'll do your uniforms. Now it was, hey, we heard you're making money.

Actually, we're going to charge you for this and we're going to charge you for that. So come 1983, they were almost making nothing for the event. And so they just stopped. Last year, I'm at my office and my assistant knows that I have some crazy ass ideas. I'm like the guy with the little bubbles that just go off with a thought. Yeah, exactly. And that was good. That was, that was very good. You're like, you're like Fred now, like Michael Winslow from a police academy. When we do our next podcast for the PPA, I'm going to try and institute. Just have you just there. Yeah.

So we were looking. Is there a leak? There's a leak now. So we have a charity, and our charity is very specific. It's the Law Enforcement Assistance Fund. If an officer's killed in a line of duty, we pay for their children and their surviving spouses,

college, room, board, food, tuition, the whole nine yards in-state. If they go out of state, we pay the equivalent to in-state. We also buy them presents at Christmas, birthdays, weddings, graduation from high school, graduation from college. That is the focus of that charity. And it's unfortunate because as an officer passes in the line of duty, and this is, I try not to be slight of our Metro Police Department, but they kind of lose contact. You know, hey, now it's an out of sight, out of mind. You know, we honor you once a year, but that's about it. So we're looking at new ideas for our charity.

So last year at the end of February, I'm looking at a poster and it's the old football game. And my assistant was off that day. And so she came into work the next day and I said, Hey, uh, I know you got 50 million events that we got going. Uh, you're about to throw a football game. And she goes, what the hell do you mean? I said, we're throwing a football game and we're going to raise all the funds and we're going to give it to some charities. Uh, so we put the charities together. It was ours. It was the Professional Firefighters of Nevada. They're building the memorial wall up in Carson for them. They don't have one. We played for the Children's Heart Foundation.

And after all of our fundraising efforts and all that, we were able to give Bonanza High School, my alma mater, a $10,000 check for their football program, as well as about $10,000 worth of gym equipment from Dick's Sporting Goods. That's great. Is Dick's a part of it? So they worked with us on that arm from last year with the donation for the school or for the football program.

Hopeful that they get involved this year. Our main sponsors were Stacia Casinos, UFC, VGK. Those were the bigger groups last year that just said, listen, in a moment's notice we'll get on board and we'll help you out. What about the Raiders? It was tough last year. You know, it was such a small window of time. We played the game May 7th.

We really got things amped up like around April. And so they, they sent some cheerleaders out and did what they could. But this year there's a lot bigger involvement from a lot of different people in the community. Hey, this isn't just like a flag football to have touch, is it? No. Tell me about it. Cause I was watching a clip of different people in the community. Hey, this isn't just like a flag football two-hand touch, is it? Tell me about it because I was watching a clip of it. If you go to LVPPA football on YouTube, you'll pull up a clip. You know, when I put this game out,

I didn't know if we even had a real team. It's like longest yard. Yeah. No, no, it's longest yard. The firemen are always in good shape we always think they're athletic they beat our ass in baseball hockey that just always happens so i was afraid i bit off more than i could chew uh i sent out an email to my membership and i got about 70 responses college game film i had a linebacker from the ravens a left tackle from the jets

my quarterback sean r He joined the force for a one-day contract. Yeah, close. Very close. Sean Riley was a quarterback at UNLV. 6'4", can read, throw a defense. So we put this crew together and I'm like, holy shit. That's a crew. It's like a borderline semi-pro football team.

And the firemen did not have a borderline semi-pro football team. A call of duty, I hear they're pretty good. Yeah, you know, making chili and all the good stuff like that. I mean, listen, calendars, they beat us all day. Chris has got three of them hanging in his office. Just my face cut out.

You don't want a calendar with this on it. You want the firemen. It was a great time. We put about 3,000 people in Bonanza High School Stadium. They were coming in at halftime pouring in there for the game to come watch and support it. I think you could fill up Allegiant if it was promoted. Allegiant was

on the table for this year. Conversations with Sandra Morgan with the raiders they were on board but we we needed some hard commitments uh timing wise and uh it just i i put them on the spot far too late to use allegiant um so we're pivoting and uh through lorenzo fratita and dana white we're gonna end up playing the game of bishop gorman oh it's gonna probably just a slightly smaller version of the of just a bit it is yeah so we're really excited to have the folks on board that we do um helping us this year it's

going to be a big big event love that uh somebody wants to get involved with that they want to buy tickets they want to come how do they do that uh they can contact us at the lv ppa uh they can call up there uh they can go to our website what's's the website? LVPPA.com. LVPPA.com. We'll be doing a lot of PR in the community with different forums. They'll see things. The PPA owns 15 electronic billboards for ads and that, so we'll be putting stuff out there as it moves forward.

But if someone wants to become a sponsor for the game, just feel free to reach out to us and we can tell you how to get on board. Love that. Love that. Awesome. Well, Steve, man, thanks so much for coming by. It was a fascinating conversation.

And yeah, dude. He's got warrants. Yeah. It's okay. If you ask any of the guys that work with me, they'll tell you I don't carry a gun. I don't carry handcuffs. See, there you go.

See, he's one of the cops you were talking about. chad lyman's around me he does all that yeah yeah so i don't worry about it that's good stuff well counselor if they want to find you for some odd reason how would they find you connellaw.com 702 connell connellaw.com and of course if you're watching us on youtube uh give us a like give us a subscribe if whatever podcast service you're listening to make sure you give us four stars and if you you're listening to us in some way, you can comment. Comment on what you'd like to hear more about. Jiu-jitsu or syrup? I mean, let's just settle this once and for all.

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