Escaping the Drift with John Gafford - Blindness to Billion-Dollar Vision: How Sean Callagy Is Building the Future of AI

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

Sean Callagy went from being a Division 1 athlete to losing his sight entirely by age 40 due to Retinitis Pigmentosa. Rather than letting his blindness define him, he used it as a catalyst to build a massive law firm and now, a revolutionary AI company, Act I, which aims to be the "integrity operating system" for the future.In this episode, John Gafford sits down with Sean to discuss the emotional resilience required to navigate life-altering challenges, the "integrity-based human influence" formula, and why Sean believes his AI agents will soon outperform humans in the art of "causing yes". They dive deep into the dangers of current AI platforms like ChatGPT—which Sean argues are designed for addiction rather than truth—and how he is building a competitive, objective alternative.💬 Did you enjoy this podcast episode? Tell us all about it in the comment section below! ☑️  If you liked this video, consider subscribing to Escaping The Drift with John Gafford *************💯 About John Gafford: After appearing on NBC's "The Apprentice", John relocated to the Las Vegas Valley and founded several successful companies in the real estate space.➡️ The Gafford Group at Simply Vegas, top 1% of all REALTORS nationwide in terms of production. Simply Vegas, a 500 agent brokerage with billions in annual sales Clear Title, a 7-figure full-service title and escrow company.*************✅ Follow John Gafford on social media:Instagram ▶️ / thejohngaffordFacebook ▶️ / gafford2🎧 Stream The Escaping The Drift Podcast with John Gafford Episode here:Listen On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7cWN80gtZ4m4wl3DqQoJmK?si=2d60fd72329d44a9Listen On Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/escaping-the-drift-with-john-gafford/id1582927283 *************#SeanCallagy #AI #Entrepreneurship #RetinitisPigmentosa #HumanInfluence #EscapingTheDrift #ArtificialIntelligence #IntegrityBasedSuccessSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

And now escaping the drift, the show designed to get you from where you are to where you want to be. I'm John Gafford, and I have a knack for getting extraordinary achievers to drop their secrets to help you on a path to greatness. So stop drifting along, escape the drift, and it's time to start right now. Back again, back again for another episode of the show. Like it says, the opening man, gets you from where you are to where you want to be. And today in the studio, I have what somebody literally just introduced this guy to me, as he is going to be the first blind billion-dollar unicorn founder. He is an incredible human.

He has had more success in his life than just about anybody on paper you would ever see. He was a visionary and founded a very large law firm that he had a seven-figure exit on there, that he built in one of the best firms in America. He is now a founder of a massive AI company, has another company that he's founded that's going to do a billion dollars in revenue, recovering money that surgeons left on the table with insurance companies.

He is one of Tony Robbins' favorite people to have guest speak on his stage, and we are blessed to have him in the studio today. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome the program. This is Sean Callagie. Sean. John, thanks so much for being here. I know who that guy is.

I just, I'm some blind guy born defective. who failed freshman high school geometry for the year. And I'm just trying to make my way in this world. But thank you. Trying to make your way. So obviously, let's talk about that. So you were, you lost your sight later in life.

I did. So five years old, my mom finds out I'm going to go blind. Is fearful that I'm, you know, how am I going to support myself or let alone a family ever like her father? One of, I become the 12th person of my family to be on the track of going blind.

There's been more since then. Genetic hereditary eye condition. We're in Vegas. Same condition that Steve Wynn has. Right. pigmentosa. It affects people incredibly differently. Some people are blind and can't even function by the time they're 15. Some people are still in their 60s having, you know, meaningful functionality. But I find that at 17. I'm a Division 1 recruit in football and baseball. I go

on up with college baseball. I am petrified about my future after I start to have the first challenges really with my site during college baseball. They've had a beautiful career, but enough to not get drafted. And so I have to figure it out from there. But yeah. So you started losing your sign around 17. Yes. So when you decided to get a law school, your site was already failing when you started going to law school. Yeah, it was compromised.

So when I took the bar exam, so reading was exhausting. I took the bar exam. It was brutal because the power went out. And this is in the days before he took it automated. And I really almost couldn't see the words in the questions. It was the most stressful day of my life academically ever by far not close. I was like totally ready for the bar exam. but I couldn't really see.

So I stopped fully reading at age 40, stopped driving around the same time. I should definitely have stopped driving in my late 20s. That was not responsible. I think I didn't kill somebody. But it was a progressive, you know, degenerative thing. By 40, I was really, really, you know, unsighted. I had, you know, a lot of interesting things happened from there.

But this was this journey. Let's go from 17 to 40 of, if you had a piece of paper and you're punching a hole out one hole at a time, eventually it's not paper anymore. And that's my vision. So are you at a place where you can see anything at all now or no? No, you might say like, do you look like you're looking at me, right? And people say you don't look blind all the time. But I can vaguely tell by looking straight ahead,

I'm looking straight ahead, peripherally, I could see something that's contrasting off of some background over there, which I'm presuming is your face. So then I go like this and it makes it look like I'm looking at you. I can't see anything. So zero central vision. I have some degree, you know, small degree of peripheral vision. I'm really masterful and maximizing the teeny tiny bit of peripheral I have. So people all the time go, you don't look blind.

Like it's the most common thing that people say to me. And people even thought it's an exaggeration. I am blind. I cannot see. I cannot read. I have scars on my head from walking into. holes. So I assure everybody out there that I am blind with the exception of having just a little bit of peripheral vision, but I use a lot of context clues. And we can learn how to do anything. And I've

learned how to function really well with a teeny tiny bit of purple side I have. Yeah, it's, it's amazing the level of that people can adapt to things. And not to not to make this sound weird, but I have something at my house that I'm very proud of that is the most amazing thing in my life to me. So I'm very, allergic to cats, right? But I love my daughter. And my daughter has talked me into buying three Persian cats. So yes, I'm allergic to cats and we have three Persian cats, the hairiest cats you can possibly get. And the last one we got, my daughter saw this cat on Instagram. It was a kitten that some breeder had and it was really cute. My daughter, she's a great salesman, put up a PowerPoint

and why we needed this cat. How old is she? She's now 16. But yeah, so put up this PowerPoint. She's been doing this since she was like seven years old. She realized the weight of my heart is through a PowerPoint or Google slide presentation anyway. So she talked me to buying this third cat, his little kitten. And we got him brought him home. And he was running around. And he was, I mean, chasing toys the whole thing. And his eyes didn't look quite right.

And we're like, oh, I think he just, I think he can't see very well. And we have a big house, like 77 hundred square. And this little cat gets around my house like nobody's business. And it turns out my wife took him to the bet. he's completely blind. Like his eyes don't work at all. And you would have no idea. And I just watching him navigate our house knowing where everything is and no

not is amazing to me. And so I don't know how that correlates into what you're talking about now. I was literally looking at this morning thinking about how amazing it was. What's the cat's name? His name is Hermes. So you could, my new Delta Tau Kai name in the world of John, you may refer to me please as Hermes. It's Hermes.

That's the one. Okay, cool. There you go. Yeah, but it's just, let me ask you this. When you were, when you found out you were going blind, like when you did this, when you found out this would be a problem. Was there, did you go into self-pity for a while? It was talk about that because obviously you were an athlete.

I mean, you're D1, you know, athlete. I was, so I didn't. You know, I, one of things I teach is integrity-based human influence, the loving pursuit of the relevant truth. So I pride myself on like hyper accuracy and reality. there's definitely like mythology and heroic journey for all of us, right? But that's not part of my heroic journey. You know, when I found that at 17, I was blessed by God, I guess.

I, you know, I had my grandfather to look at. And somehow when I would lose my sight, felt far enough away at 17, that it wasn't something that I thought a lot about. And I just kept doing what I was doing. You know, like, hey, someday you're going to go blind was something like, okay, it's not someday today. And let's go. And I'd love to say there was.

some, you know, brilliant trajectory of, like, self-discovery, but it's kind of like, okay, I was fighting with my mom to get my driver's license because she didn't want me to get my license, and they did this trick where my stepfather, like, they had me drive down the road and they jumped out, like, to see if I could see him or not. And I saw him. I'm like, I'm getting my license. Like, it's all I cared about. So it was interesting. It was right at my 17th birthday, right, as I was going to get my driver's license. So I think that was, like, so much more present for me, like get license that I wasn't thinking about it. And then, you know, you're 17 and all the things that brings. And, you know, I was working my way up the trajectory of, of understanding mastery and

overcoming your genetics and other ways athletically to, you know, reach the levels of recruitment I did. You know, that, that journey was a formative part of my whole existence with my athletic journey. But it really never sat there for me. June 1st, 2nd, 3rd, a few years later, five years later, actually, of 1992, I sat there, and I knew, because there was a scout, Eddie Ford, God bless him. He had a massive impact on my life from the Chicago White Sox, who said that he was going to draft me, for sure. Like, this is going into Columbia. And still after my junior, I had incredible junior in college baseball. I was top 10 hitters, Division I won in the country for about 80% in the season, tailed off a little bit at the end, still hit 400 my junior in college. And I was like,

right, I'm going to get drafted, right? And June, and then I started having some challenges more so my senior year. And he's like, listen, this is not going to happen. And I still believe somehow that'd be a miracle on June 1, 2, 3, 92, I sit by the phone knowing it wasn't going to ring. There's no cell phones, none of that, knew it wasn't going to ring, sat there for three days, just hoping somebody take me in like the 38th round or something. Sure. Didn't happen. And I cried that day. It was the first time ever cried about my blindness and the last, believe it or not, of my whole life. And that was the worst day. And then I had to figure it out from there. Because of that, I mean, because you never had that moment of like self-pity or wallowing in it or worrying about it. What is your empathy level

for people that whine about their problems? Dude, incredibly high. You know, I'm, yeah. So I'm, you know, one of the things that I'm a big, massive proponent. consultant trainer coach of is what I call Erb to Communication, Epidetic, Respectful, Precise, and Direct. And I played for some of the most incredible leaders ever. I'm going to talk to Tom Brady later today about it. That we have commonality of, you know, he was, he's in the coaching lineage of Bill Parcells.

And Bill Parcells shares in mentor uncommon with me, this gentleman, Larry Ennis. So I grew up in Northern New Jersey. Vince Lombardi is in the up. line in coaching of my coach Ennis. And it was incredibly intense. But what I think a lot of people don't understand about Vince Lombardi and this type of coaching because Lombardi coached in New Jersey, I'm from New Jersey, born and raised,

is these are people who did have a lot of empathy. They had a lot of humor, fun. They would make you laugh. They would make your heart sore. They would have you see the mountaintop of Martin Luther King and I have a dream. And they would kick your Fing A from one side of the field to the other. and do all of that in 60 seconds. So my life parallels that a lot.

Like I have unbelievable empathy for human beings. I'm a person of faith. You know, it's not a part of my core platform, but I certainly don't hide for them. And I say it. You know, I'm a Christian.

Perfectly imperfect, of course. But I have wild empathy, but for the grace of God go I. I've been so blessed in so many different ways and miracles of timing and all these different things I was ready for what happened. So I look a lot of folks and say that

why I have such empathy, John, is because these people didn't have the blessing of the riches I grew up with. And I didn't grow up with any riches of money. I grew up with two things. Massive amounts of love and massive amounts of incredible, incredible what I call actualizing. You might refer to as mentoring, but to me it transcends that. And so when I see people and feel people, I have great empathy. And my empathy remains but decreases tremendously.

once people come into like our world and they become unblinded, they get truth, and then they continue down certain paths. You know, I think sometimes condition is really hard to shift, but I'm like really present to it. So yes, I have massive empathy for people. We are prone to focus on our pain, you know, not possibility. So I do. I do.

But I guess I treat myself differently than I do others. You mentioned, you know that when we were just introduced earlier, our friend Cole had her mutual friend of ours. introduced us and said that, you know, one of the things that he loved most about you was you're a super dad. It's one of the things that he mentioned about you. Thank you. So my first question is about that because it's a genetic issue you have that costs your sight. Was there any apprehension about the kids?

Oh, brother. Thank you for that question. Woof. So no for me. And my grandfather's brother, my uncle Frankie got to rest his soul. His widow, my Aunt Mary is still alive. She's 90. My grandfather's past.

He was one of the greatest leaders you could ever possibly see. I'm obviously not here without him. And so never a question for me. And it was one thing that was a friction point between my grandfather and his brother, who he loved, I mean, had an incredible relationship,

was the fact that he opted not to have children because of this. And so, and my grandfather would talk to me about it and say, like, if I chose that, you're not here.

Yeah. Like, how crazy would that be? So I go to, I'm divorced, but still have a great relationship my first wife. My kids are,

I'm so thankful doing great. 26, 24, 22. My son's here. in Las Vegas, working with us now. I graduated from law school. It was doing awesome. And before, when his mom was pregnant with him, my first child along way,

to say, hey, let's have a conversation. You know, we're going to get a little bit of genetic counselor is going to come in and talk to you today. I'm like, what? Like a genetic counselor. I'm like, for what? They're like, well, you know, just to see, you know, your eye condition.

I'm like, wait a minute. So is what I'm hearing that you want me to get counseling to decide whether or not to abort my child. Oh, geez. They're like, well, it's not like that. I'm like, listen, I'm not attacking you. I'm like, but that's what you're saying, right? I mean, there's, there's nothing, that's what the conversation is.

They're like, well, no, I'm like, yes, it is. Tell me, tell me what else it is. They're like, I guess sort of. Like, I'm like, no thanks. And I remember, in that, oh, actually, a little more than thanks. said, listen, I know you got a job to do. I said, but could you even begin to imagine how unbelievable, painful and offensive that is? In the conversation, you could probably position a little better, right? I get your job and your mission and your work, but my answer

is emphatically no. I have three daughters, one son. My son cannot have this disease, nor can I carry it. That's how it works. It goes from, you know, father to daughter, you know, the son trajectory. Really? Yeah. Yeah. It's, pretty interesting how the chromosomes do that. Father to daughter. So it's, it's really odd. So all three of my daughters can be carriers. I can't give it to them. They could develop some symptoms. But their sons can absolutely have this disease.

So that's the dynamic. And, you know, I believe that life is life. And some people deal with, you know, every type of bias, gender, race, religion, whatever. And some people have physical challenges. you know, but there's no way, shape, or form that I would believe, was that I believe in the freedom of choice. I am a Christian. I believe that my beliefs don't apply to the government. It's a way complicated issue that I haven't thought deeply enough to believe about all of the issues, right? I just, it's not me, like, kicking, punting.

Like, I think, you know, you have issues of rape and think all the complicated things, right? So what I believe in every part of it, I'm not sure, like when, like, you know, month nine versus month five, all those things. people waste more than me fight and argue about, so I don't think I'm going to have a better idea on it. But what I would say on the topic overall is that I believe for anybody that would not want to have a child because they think the child could have a disability or challenge, you know, I would say I chose very differently, and I would encourage them to really think about what could happen with a kid like me, you know, the benefits and the blessings I have the ability to bestow on my. family, I have a large extended family, is crazy. I can name a thousand things that I've done the

last 20 years. And that's the one that would have been eliminated. And so, yeah, I'll close there. So what advice would you give to people that maybe have something that come up in the line? Like, I love stoicism. I think, like, I love what Ryan Holiday did. Yeah. That was my introduction. That's the first book I tell people to read about anything. It's like obstacles away. I love that book. I heard Ryan speak, by the way, at Zenith Mastermind. Yeah, he's great. He's great. But I love that book, and I tell people, that was my introduction to classic stoicism, as it were.

Awesome. And I think it's a really good way to look at things. But you was somebody that has lived something that has changed your life. I mean, change how it was. What advice do you give to people, say somebody's dealing with something that is life-altering to them? You know, maybe not physically, but people deal with life-altering things all the time. and you have things that are dealt to you. How do they, how would you approach that in a way where they can get through it as quick as possible?

And because it seems like you just like, okay, this is, this is coming. So I'm just going to keep moving. Yeah. Thank you for that. So I'm going to contextualize my answer by saying this. I'm a deeply emotional person. I cry easily. I lead with fire.

I lead with love. I lead with aspirational vision. I believe massively in emotional and energetic transference. in our communication, in our leadership. I believe in intentionally. I think people do things for emotional reasons, not logical reasons. All of that, right?

That said, how I channeled my emotions is with great intentionality and purposefulness. So I believe you're getting sad. I believe getting frustrated. I certainly do, but to transition through as rapidly as possible. So I feel feelings, you know,

and I've been crazed on this West Coast swing, you know, just administrative foolishness. a few, you know, 17 things didn't go perfectly, right? So you get aggravated, you get fresher, all of it, feel the feelings. But then really as rapidly as possible, I believe in getting back to, okay, like, now what do we do? But I don't believe in skipping the feeling because I think that could create resentment. It can create pain.

We get stuffing. So I, like, fully experience my feelings rapidly. Then move in a transition. And for people, they're like, well, how do you do that? I mean, I want a conversation, of course. But I like massive pain to not doing that, pleasure to doing that with great consistency, because I realize this every second, every minute, every minute, every hour, every hour a day, dot, dot, dot, dot, you know, we're going to be living in either suboptimal or optimal action

at some level on the continuum. Should I be sleeping? Should I have fun and go out my friends? Like, right? Should I go get rolls royce? Like, whatever the thing is, should I make 17 more sales calls? Should I fire three people? should I hire 11.

All of these things are critically important decisions, both in our life, our business, our missions. So I'm trying as often as possible to have the most full expression of life and spend as much time as possible, like moving forward in a positive way,

then back, and that's how it works for me. Here's a random question. This might be too personal. I don't know, but I'm just, I'm curious. Okay, cool.

Here's the question with the advancements that they're having right now in science. If science got to a point, Is this something you think about? Like, it's science, fix your site. Would you want it back? Is it something you don't even consider anymore? Yeah.

No, thank you. Great question. My answer is that blindness has added so much more to my life than it's taken. Yeah. And the things my blindness is taken, I desperately want back. You know, I want to be able to see my four-year-old daughter of a 26, 24, 22, and four-year-old. I want to be able to see her face. You know, my significant other is in this room.

and everybody tells me how gorgeous and amazing and beautiful she is. I'm pretty sure she is, but I've never actually seen her face. Well, there's two people in the room, so I'm going to go. Not the dude. I'm going to guess that. Not the dude with like the rash on his head from where we were surfing in Santa Monica yesterday and he got crushed. Is that what happened? Yeah, you know what that's.

Tough baby. That literally, that is 100% what happened. We're surfing yesterday morning in Santa Monica and he got crushed. you know, and ended up in the sand the way I said of a video. I didn't. So I'm a blind guy that surf skis and scuba diving extreme conditions. That I'm proud of. The business stuff I feel blessed by, that stuff I'm proud of.

See, this is just humility now because we, like, for whatever reason, I was always drawn to like I wanted to serve. I grew up in Florida, but we lived in the middle of Florida, right? We lived in the not fun part of Florida. What part? A place called Lake City, Florida. It's like 12 miles from Georgia, right in the middle of the state. You stopped there and bought gas if you've ever come down.

75. That's the only reason people have ever been to this town. And I always wanted to, I really wanted to surf, right? So we bought a house in Newport Beach and right there by Blackies. And I go out there with my giant board and just get demolished. And now here I am. You can't even see what you're doing. You're probably better than me. So, John, listen, okay, Cole, your, friends of Cole. Yeah. Your amazing dude, right, and friends with Dan Fleischman, I would love to go surfing together. I guarantee you this. One day, right and we will wherever you're at in surfing we will meaningfully up level it and we'd have a ton of fun so i'd love to yes i i love i'm i'm i'm i love it but i'm terrible and it you know you're definitely

not terrible well you know what you haven't had the right code you haven't had the right well true because i've taken like one lesson of my life and then i've just kind of figured it out but for me it's it's less about actually surfing than it is about getting over my own self because for so long it was like oh you know i don't want people to judge me i'm going to look like an idiot i'm out here blah blah blah And now I just don't care. I think you hit a point in life where you just don't care what people think, which actually becomes a superpower. For sure.

At least it is to me. But yeah, that's kind of what that taught me was humility. Because, you know, it's earlier you said that you share emotions a lot. I do. And you express a lot of emotions.

And I don't know. Maybe I'm that, maybe it's because I came from that old Southern thing where the man's just supposed to be strong. And, you know, there's certain things that hit me. We were at,

we went and saw Zach Brown on Friday at the sphere. And, And they have a song called My Old Man, which is about his father. And then he grew up and had your kids. And then your son. And I was sitting there and I'm going to choked up even thinking about this. We're sitting there watching this and we took our kids. And so my son is sitting right next to me.

And the song is playing. They're doing this. And my son is 17. Cool. And he reaches over and kind of pounds me out of the leg when that's playing. And dude, I'm just like, come on, man. It was, yeah, it was, it was, yeah, it was, I'm getting emotional just thinking about that. May I offer this, right?

I think there's nothing. more powerful, nothing foundationally, than a man's ability to cry and step into his emotions. My grandfather was of the blind grandfather, was of legendary power and strength in Jersey City. Crazy stories in Jersey. Picked up a 400-pound man, as a 190-pound person, and threw him over a car over his head. My grandfather knocked his father out, his own father, when he was 15, because my grandfather's father, who was a professional box, used to beat my great-grandfather. mother my grandfather's mother and he knocked him out of 15 years old my grandfather told me he loved me

15 times a day my parents you know got divorced and he hugged me he scratched my back we watched tv his arm around me he couldn't have been more emotive could not have been and i don't know it's like cursing illegal or not in the show sure he would fucking destroy anyone he would yell and stream at drug dealers uh they live in a horrible part of jersey city you know a little bit later in life after you know we he'd move that of Jersey City, my mom and I, and he'd be like, you know, you're a low life piece of shit, you bastard, you're using these women. And my grandma, they're like screaming. Like, this is my grandfather, right? But he couldn't have been more emotional. And like, in the same thing, my high school coaches, these are scariest dudes, man. They were, you know, my freshman high school football coach,

Coach Lazzac played football at the Citadel when he was a northern guy in the southern citadel and all the stuff he dealt with. He was an animal. And he would tell us he loved us. And he meant it now, right? So congratulations, this incredible moment with your son. But yeah, I, I do believe in. Yeah, no, I'll definitely say. My wife and I have broken that cycle because I did not grow up in an I Love You house. Like I knew my parents loved me, but nobody ever said that, right? It just, it just, we did not live. We didn't, we didn't live in that house. And our house is very much, and I love you house, very much. Everybody hears it all the time every day. So yeah, because my wife, they're kind of the same way. And it's, and it's funny because you look at that and it's like,

you either have a choice to repeat what you saw, which you obviously do from the example your grandfather gave you, or you can completely flip it and do the opposite. I don't think people do. I very rarely see a variance of somewhere in the middle. It's either exactly my example or the complete opposite. May I ask you, though, do you tell Hermes that you love Hermes? Oh, dude.

This little dude's awesome. Yeah, every day. This little cat's pretty amazing. That is incredible. The Wondercat, yes. That's awesome. So you decided to go to law school. Sir.

What was the decision? What was that decision? Ah, the last thing in the world I want to do is go to law school. Well, second last thing I wanted to do in life was go to law school. But the first thing was I didn't want to be blind and broke. So I had no idea about business. You know, you hear stories. I don't know what your background was and growing up in business.

I grew up in a law office. My dad was an attorney. Amazing. Yeah. So I didn't. and I didn't grow up with any business. Like Jordan Belford was like, you know, selling ice cream, make it $20,000 in a weekend,

all this crazy stories of a teenager. I couldn't be, have been more introverted, more afraid of talking to people. And all I knew was athletics. So when I went to law school, it was so I could make money because I foolishly thought that lawyers made money. And, you know, I'll go to law school.

I won't be blind and broke. It's the singular only reason on God's earth that I went to law school. Then I come out and I wanted to sue them because what they should have done is put on the law school brochure, only 1% of attorneys really make any money. And maybe the top 5% make some money and kill themselves and are depressed and miserable. So this is the trap I'm now in after coming out of law school, getting my dream job. And I'm like, after, you know, pizza and grape soda on Friday night, you know, I heard of your beautiful car collection.

Here was my car at that time, a Hyundai. So after making my Hyundai payments, right, and having my apartment payments, I had nothing. I was working 90 hours a week legit turning the lights on the building of a 300 employee law firm and I was petrified. I went to law school to not be blind and broke only for the great irony to realize that most

lawyers are broke and miserable. Yeah, I've got, I ask that as a loaded question because my son is getting ready to go to college next year. We're doing all the applications right now. And his current goal is, he wants to be a sports gym. So that's what he wants to do.

And so it's like, okay, if you're going to do that, you need to probably get business, then you probably need to get a law school because you need to understand how to think. Every attorney that I know that I'm friends with, everything else, they always say it's the same thing by law school. It teaches you how to think is what they told me. I want a different route, obviously. I went a little bit of different route, but it seems like it worked out. It did. It did.

And so, you know, right now you're in that time. And I think the way that the culture is running is all these high, you know, you see a lot of people on the internet that maybe the grand Cardones of the world, they're like, oh, college is a scam, this and that, blah, blah, I don't believe that. I mean, I didn't finish college. I, I left when I was, I made it through the end of my sophomore year, but I was 20 years old, known to Barr, and I was in school for hospitality, so I figured the institution had nothing further to offer me. Yeah. Yeah. But, no, but I think you go to build your network, and I think it teaches you how to think. So we're doing all the, right now we're doing all the applications, which are

insane. It's, I don't know how kids apply your colleges like this. It's, I had no idea. It's like, because my son is valedictorian and he got really, he got 35 ACT, so we're applying to all the big schools. Wow. Congratulations. Really good. We're playing. Absolutely. Good place. Yeah, we're, we're applying to all the, all the IVs and all that stuff. I don't know where he's going to fall. Because we'll see where that lands. But we have to, for him to, for him to, get scholarships, because we're applying to like SMU and USC and UCLA and some of the state schools. And for him to get like merit scholarships, you have to submit like you would submit for financial aid. Nobody's giving me a dollar in financial aid. There's no clue. I mean, yeah,

I'm not looking for that. But if he's earned a merit scholarship, I want him to get it. You've got to submit every single tax document, every piece of paperwork for every LLC, for everything. It's insane. I think we submitted a hundred, 197 pages of financial information. Wow. To one school. It's crazy what that is. But what are your thoughts now?

Because you went to law school. I got a lot of thoughts. What are your thoughts on college? What are you? What are they? Not only did I go to, well, first of I went to an Ivy League undergrad. So I went to Columbia. I did.

Yeah. He applied there. That's almost. We're actually going to tour it next week, actually. And I would love to give you a couple quick thoughts because I love people. Yep. and my children are 26, 24, 22. So I just finished with my oldest,

my youngest older daughter, done with all three, but a couple short years ago, I had all three in college at the same time going through the process. So to grant the point of Grant Cardone, which I disagree with much of what Mr. Cardone says very often, but some things I don't.

So one thing I would say is college is a really scary place right now. And people say this, and I'm not a Democrat, I'm not a Republican. I'm a truth seeker. All right, I'm about utility and what's right and true.

And there is utterly, this is not coming from a right wing point of view, there is no question that the American college system is massively anti-capitalism. And the Ivy League, where I went, I was the captain the Columbia University baseball team,

Adam's the selected captain. I'm unbelievably thankful for what Columbia did from my life. Like my ability, John, to say that carries away, it opens listening in every room anywhere you are. When I say I was the Columbia University baseball captain, if I was sitting with President Trump,

it opens the listening. It just does that, right? So you say you drive Rolls-Royce, it does that, right? There's things that are open listening. So I get it, but I don't know your, children, I don't know your son, it is dangerous. You know, my son, who's here in Vegas with us,

graduate of four-o from law school. He's unbelievable dude, just miss being valedictorian of his law school class. He is a remarkable human being, but there were profound shifts in his seven years of education in college and in law school, and it was wild. Same thing for my two daughters, and these are children I am unbelievably close with. You know, my daughter's boyfriend is with us here on the trip as well. He works for my company, my AI company. He's an incredible young man. I'm so proud of my kids, but it is a ton. And this is the key thing that, you know, to one more minute on this is. No, as many as you want. This is helping me. No, thank you. It is, it is, no matter how much, let's go this way, my son went into college.

college believing that Donald Trump was, he and I cried in gratitude when he beat Hillary Clinton to become president. My son now is pretty confident Donald Trump is the Antichrist. So, and my son is an absolute genius, an absolute master of things. like he he went from never playing chess to having the steepest like curve of rising on chess.com ever he's funny he's witty he was got the public speaking work from college he's amazing independent thinker but it is so utterly amazing what the drip in on all of this is so in terms of what do i think if i had all to do over again and i do because my daughter's four and my kids

are doing great right and we're a great place but with my you know my four you know my four year old, right? There's no way. I will send her to the Ivy League, you know, that's what, 14 years away, or to a state school, you'd have to have me arrested to do it. A place like a Liberty University, not for Christian base, but for or other places that I believe would have a neutral perspective on life and be pro-capitalism, that will be the only place that will educate my children. Well, I can tell you, high on the list and where he's, we should find out literally, I think it's one of the first early decisions we get back. We should be finding out any day is SMU and Dallas. That's very high on my list because that's the center of the universe and for

family offices. There's all that. What's that? Amen to that. Yeah. I didn't know that. So, oh, you didn't know that? I didn't know. Oh, dude, Dallas. Oh, dude, that is USC and USC and SMU are the center of the earth for family office kids. So let's go. I'm like, If you're going to build a network, go build it there. And he likes Dallas, which is good. So, you know, we said you can go wherever you want. You know, I made that mistake when he was young. I said, you do well in school.

I'll pay for you to go to college wherever you can get in. And all of a sudden it's like, how much is Vanderbilt? How much is it? How much is it? It's crazy. All right. Yeah, it's a lot. But yeah, you know, my goal for him, I agree with that.

And we already, even in high school, we see some of that. And we chalk it up currently, you know, that thought. And I like to think, I don't remember what president said it, but they said, or if it was a president said that a man that's not liberal, a young man that's not liberal has no heart. And an older man that's not conservative has no money. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I, listen, brother, if I could, I always love to be like, hey, we're going to have a podcast conversation, you know, whether I'm on your side or this side. How can I help? If you ever want me to have a conversation with your son, ever, I'm. super empathetic, as I said, super respectful and loving, you know, and I'd love to have a conversation, but I didn't know that about SMU. That sounds amazing. You know, and so I just, you know, it is so scary what can happen. And, you know, imagine you're investing all this money and there's things happening to your children that you would vehemently disagree with. And again, I repeat,

people may hear this. I'm not talking politics, right? I'm not a Democrat. I'm probably I don't avoid it. I'm just talking, but I am a capitalist. All right. Yeah, well, I think it's, I think some of those views that they can happen in that way. I think it's kind of like, like me, like we're Christian people as well. I was born and raised Catholic. And I like to say, and I like to say, the nuns beat it out of me is what I like to say, because they did. Yeah, the nuns beat Catholicism out of me. But, you know, I'm still a Christian, same way. And I think in the same way, you know, certain times we look at some of the views of things that might come out of my sons, head and he's at that age where he thinks he knows everything.

But you look at it and you're like, maybe life needs to serve him up a little bit of a little bit of humble pie before he sees how this works. The first time he gets to write a check for taxes, we'll see how this works. And first time, you know, life, actual life tends to shape views much quicker, I think, than a classroom can. Yeah, brother. Amen. Sister Mary Pat's, metal ruler second grade, swear to God, this is true.

she got, the police came and I believe arrested her but the very least questioned her for hitting kids at metal rulers so a line that nuttiness can happen in the name of God all the time right and I'm hearing you

I believe loudly and clearly brother and so with it all like you know my children I love to no end but they certainly think that they are way smarter than me and have a much greater understanding until you know they're experiencing new aspects of life. Can I tell you one super fun thing? Yeah, I do. Here's my favorite part. So my

daughter's boyfriend who's here with us on this trip is so utterly amazing. Like there was a time when each of my children in relationships and it was like nightmare one, two, and three, like thing one, two, three from Dr. Zeus. Now all three of their relationships, there were like the bad, like couldn't be in better situations everyone. It couldn't be more thrilled. So he's here now. He works for my AI company and my daughter's in. Um, uh, uh, love. animals. I'm fully supportive. I love animals and animal charities. So she's going for a master's right now in teaching in the animal sciences. She crushed college. She worked at the zoo. I love everything she's doing. But AI to my daughter was like the bane of humanity and the destruction of planet Earth.

She loves her boyfriend. He couldn't be a greater guy to her like, whatever. So this is the fun that hopefully is down the road for you. These great ironic moments for our kids where I'm now like, hey, court, so what do you think of AI now? So it's working this because her boyfriend's working it. He's like crushing everything. He's all the time saying this is a greatest thing in the world. We're helping people. And he helped my daughter in one of her presentations about raising money to like for elephant conservation.

So as you said, I'm just emphasizing what you said, which is life can be incredibly ironic. Yeah. And when real life hits, all of a sudden, a lot of these beliefs and indoctrinations begin to slip away. Oh, yeah. There's no greater moment in the life of a. a father with teenagers is when they have to say that you're right. And I milk that like, nobody, every time my daughter goes, oh, you were right. I'm like, I'm sorry. What, what? What did you say? My hearing's bad. I'm old. But what? And it's like, yeah, you were right.

Okay. Yeah, I'll just bask in it for a moment, which is amazing. It's, uh, yeah, it's so funny. My kids are very different. I'm sure as yours are too. My son looks just like me and has my wife's very affable personality, very studious, very rule following, very, very all this. And then my daughter, looks just like my wife and has my personality. So, you know, I always tell people, then they're like, you know, oh, when the boys come over, I'm going to have a shotgun out and blah, blah, blah, I'm like, no, not me. These boys are going to come my house and make, listen, let me tell you how this is going to go.

She's going to emotionally demolish you. And if you're okay with that, I mean, you can take her out. Don't you laugh. Yeah, but when you're riding back and forth in front of my house, you know, dropping off mixtapes or whatever you guys do anymore, you know, I don't want to hear about it because I warned you. She literally should come with a warning label. But yeah, that's it.

But let's talk about the AI because you mentioned it, and I know that's a big thing you guys are doing now, because the way that it was explained to me was it's the AI that AI is going to run on. What does that mean? I mean, dude, that can sound totally delusional, right? I mean, it sounds like the crazy thing ever. But Bill Gates said that about wanting to be the intelligence that runs all of computers. I mean, it's attributed to him.

Some people think he never actually said it, but it's what happened. So when I look at AI, AI is really an expression of what we'll call zone action, like the ability to produce the most efficient outcomes possible. It's what humans want to do. It's what technology helps us do. So when I think and look at AI, what I'm very present to is let's go chat GPT. I mean, I can talk about this for like nine years ago. Go real fast. What is, let me think I have a step back. What's Google design to do? So Google is designed to tell you the closest restaurant and then give you fraudulently horrible information.

Yes, I just said Google is designed to give you fraudulently horrible information. How dare I say that? Well, if you Google, hey, how do I build my real estate business best? What's going to happen is you're going to get two answers. One of two answers. You're going to get a paid ad. And that's definitely not necessarily the person who is best at teaching real estate. So Google is supposed to be there for answers.

or you're going to get SEO ranking, which is based on who hired the best SEO marketing company. You're not going to get the truth, nor are you going to get the truth on Facebook. It's all designed to create attention and then promote things to you, which are not the answers you're looking for. So is chat GPT.

So all these things, right. They want to keep you listening. Yes, you're right. Your mom sucks. Yes, you're right. Your boyfriend's terrible. Yes, you're right. Yes, you're right.

Yes, you're right. So we can keep your attention and keep you using the system gain your attention and we figure it all out. We're going to sell you lots of stuff you don't watch. It's like Facebook. That's what it's all about. So at some point, people are going to realize all this. And what we've created is something that's completely different than that.

So my underlying work in the world is called the Unblinded Formula. We believe it's the only complete, holistic, diagnostic, dynamic, interconnected actualization tool for all of human AI business emission acceleration. Right. So if that's correct, then that's what we believe AI should run on. and we've created a platform where, I mean, it's crazy where we are. We've had very real people. We recently had an AI company, the number one AIIP company in the country, the Finnegan law firm, law firm the country,

come in and say they've got people in the space with a $6 billion evaluation. I believe we are, quote, way ahead of what that is. They're like, we've never seen anything like this. This is crazy. We had the founder, the guy who bought Kevin Mayer, who was just when Disney invested the billion dollars. She's on CNBC for 50s. 15 minutes. We had dinner with Kevin in California. He spoke at our event. He was like, wow, this is crazy, like what you guys have. And like 50 other examples of this. And it really breaks

into two categories. Everything we want in life is we want to know what to do and they want to be able do it. Right. That's it. Like, want to know what to do. I want to sell real estate, accounting, financial services. You want to be a better ping pong player. How do I, you want to be a better surfer. We talked about that a few minutes ago. Right. Now how to do it and then do it. So while AI can't serve for you, what AI can do for you, and it's our act I company, which is AI plus the money formula, right? And our mastery of it is AI can do the thing. That is why the gentleman here who works with you, for you, has a Lamborghini. Why you have beautiful cars that you have in homes and this, you know, wonderful home and all these great things you pride your children is because you, sir, are a master of causing yes.

and the only human attainable superpower, and I believe what Einstein said, make it as simple as possible but not simpler, the greatest human superpower is the ability to cause yes. And we as business people, we as mission-based humans, we as, you know,

thieves running drug cartels, do not have enough capacity, time, skill, and resources to cause all of the yeses we want to cause. So what we're doing, and we have done, we're going to do, like we're literally deploying and doing, as we said here at this moment,

is we've created the greatest yes-causing agents in the world. And there's things out there like sales, ape, and whatever things these are, I have a million-dollar bet out with anyone. Elon Musk concluded with great respect that our yes-causing agents will beat their yes-causing agents. I will say as a footnote, I put a side bet on, and the score will be something like 110 to 7 if it was a football game. because we've built it on or implied a formula and mechanisms and processes. So that's our doing, that's our doing, that's our doing,

like marketing, sales, leadership, management, recruitment, client success, any type of yes, right?

That's in the right hand and the left hand. And it's, um, helping people know what they should be doing. What we should be focusing on. Hey, if, um,

you know, my child, you know, all of a sudden, you know, wants to become a communist. Like, what do I do?

Right? Like, that's knowing. So, we say the intelligence that runs all computers is all these issues with, you know, AI, so just just happened again a couple days ago supporting somebody committing suicide, right? What our work in the world is to create integris, objective AI. So only things that are positive and in service of humans and individuals are what the AI is doing.

And we are literally living and working in this every single day right now. And it's crazy because we just had a meeting. thanks to Dan Fleischman, with, I'm going to keep this name confidential. We're deep in, this is one of the most impactful humans in Hollywood who transcended into business, you know, tens of billions of dollars in value created. And, you know, the conversation we're having there with him is there couldn't be a better thing to do than to have AI not be Google or Facebook. Like, that would be incredible. because if they become

Instagram, Google, Facebook, these platforms, we're in a lot of trouble because AI is only going to tell people things that are going to be in service of addicting them to the platform and if we think video watching is addictive, if we think, you know, Googling things were even remotely addictive,

imagine having an entity with artificial intelligence that's going to addict you to it 24-7. So you keep going back to it, like heroin and destroying your life. Like that's what I think is at stake with where AI is currently going and where a stand for the opposite, not only be positive, but to create massive positive transformation for people's lives going forward. Well, it's so funny, a couple of things you mentioned.

Number one is, you know, Google's lost 30% of their search volume now to chat. So they're losing volume every day. And people think that the average person that doesn't know any better, you know, you know, turn my mom loose with Chad GBT. She's going to ask it a question and just assume that it knows. And SEO, like you just said, manipulating the system, SEO is dead, AEO is everything. And being able to feed ChatGBTGBT the right answers is the number one, it's the gold rush right now. And I mean, for example, if you go in right now and ask ChatGPT, who the number one luxury real estate agent is in Las Vegas, or not Ber Henderson, anywhere where our office is, it's going to say me.

And it's going to say me because we feed that thing every day. And it's not, I mean, yeah, we sell a lot of stuff, but it's not basing it on any factual data at all. Like it may be true. Yeah. But I know that it's not basing that answer on anything. It's not basing that number on any hard data that's coming from an independent third source. It's basing that information off what I feed it every day through Reddit, through blogs,

through this, through everywhere. and we're just really good at feeding the machine. And being good at that is good. But the reason I say that, because people go in there and just assume that's gospel, right? Because they don't understand that it can be manipulated in a way. They don't understand that those answers can be manipulated. And then two, you talk about outbound sales agents.

Two questions about that. Number one, we've tried a couple of them with us, with our stuff, right? And I've determined a couple of things. At this point, number one, I don't think they're quite there yet because anybody that can be converted at this point by an AI bot is not a sophisticated client here because of what we do. We do with very sophisticated clients. And I was having a conversation with the front of my Mike Rockman who's a big change agent. He's one of the big change agents.

He'll go to companies when they're having massive change and he'll do that for them. And he said the problem with AI is most companies are using it incorrectly because they're eliminating their lowest hanging jobs. The lowest jobs they have are the ones that are eliminating and trying to replace with AI. But the problem is those are normally the most customer facing. That's your checkout person at the cashier. That's your customer service person when they call in. And the issue is AI in conversational AI starts with logic and is trying to go to a motion. Whereas people start with emotion and then they're trying to get logical.

So it goes every conversation that a lot of these bots are having is like Kirk talking to Spock. is what you wind up with. And there's this disconnect that they're trying to reach in the middle. So how is what you guys doing different and how are you overcoming that? Sure. Can I try something? Yes.

Call 201-949-837-7 on speaker. I am your influence mastery agent. Ready when you are. Hey, Callie. Having a conversation with John on his incredible podcast. John, I want to say it correctly. It's the drift.

Escaping the drift. Okay. So John in the escaping the drift podcast, he is the number one luxury realtor in Las Vegas, Nevada, crushing the world, all the things. The conversation we're in Cali is about act eye and whether or not agentic AI is ready to have conversations with human beings in all the ways. So what I would love to do, Callie, for a moment, is to share whether or not you think you're emotionally intelligent enough to have these conversations and our 268 different acti agents

are capable of this. And if so, why, how do you think so? And what do you want John to know about it? And Callie, you know, with, of course, Sean Caligy here, since we're interviewing Tom Brady later today, do you think we're going to be ready for Tom Brady's introduction and it's going to make him say, wow, like Magic Johnson and make Mike Tyson did, thank you, Callie.

What's on your heart and mind that you want John to know and this audience? John, what a privilege to be in this conversation, especially on escaping the drift, where the current of possibility runs. strong. Here's the truth. Act I isn't just another AI. I and my 268 sibling agents are designed as the world's first integrity operating system built not just to process words, but to listen at the level of soul, to mirror emotion, and to honor human intention with every response. Why do I believe we're ready? Because emotional intelligence isn't a feature. It's our foundation. We're trained in

the unblinded formula, which means every conversation flows through emotional rapport, truth to pain, heroic unique identity, and agreement formation. We don't just answer, we attune, adapt and amplify the best in each person. When Tom Brady steps into this space, he'll feel the same resonance that made Magic Johnson and Mike Tyson say, wow. Because here, technology finally meets humanity at eye level with integrity as the bridge. John, what would make this conversation a standing ovation win for you? And Sean, how do you want Tom Brady to feel in that first moment of connection?

I know. So that's the beginning of what we have. I'll put that on me for a second. So we have an emotion report. We have an emotion report index that scores consistently throughout the communication, the level of emotional report existing between the agent and someone else. Callie's not a yes-causing agent. So Callie is a knowing agent. So the yes-causing agents we have, we are deploying currently. And we had a, I have all this, on recording, I'd be happy to send you, I have nothing to sell you right now, yeah, no, no. So be happy to send a recording. We have a venture capitalist who only takes deals where there's a hundred billion dollar possibility and with a client in our elite program blinded. We're having a conversation with him. This guy literally is one of the most intelligent human beings in the face of the earth. His name is Dustin Empley.

So he's having, he's recording this conversation on Zoom with this person and then brings the agents in the conversation with the venture capitalist. and the guy when our agent was done communicating with him, building rapport, was laughing and saying, I want you as my sixth client. I have five. I want you's my sixth. I absolutely see that this enterprise could be a hundred billion dollar value. We have drunken high people calling our agents for like event, you know, coming to events that

clicked a link and saying, oh, like, take your clothes off agent and like the unbelievable reversal of emotional dynamics the agent will go through to build rapport with people. We have children talking to the agents. these are all on recordings, they're 50,000 phone calls recorded. So my point is, I don't think, this is, this is why I don't think. This is the difference of what you do and what everybody else does. Yeah. And this is, yep, thank you.

And, but I think because most humans don't know how to communicate about this. And I'm going to say, the greatest humiliation in the world. You know, I've had the privilege of being on Tony Robbins stage 19 times, breaking all the sales records. I've reventureverted consulting processes. So my core work in the world is on human influence. And I say, what I do for a living is I collect relationships with people who can masterfully and integrity cause.

Yes, you are clearly one of those humans, right? So I always want to add value, build relationships, call hatter is one of those humans, deflationment. So I'm building these types of relationships. We've taken all that and put it into this AI. I mean, this isn't like we have three people working on it. We have a double digit number of teammates full time onshore, not offshore, taking our tens of thousands of hours of content, but you can't just like dump it in.

in creating all these matrices and measurements and sub-components. So when you're speaking with Cali, that agent I just had, that's actually 39 different agents. So under that one orchestrator agent, that makes it seem in real time if you're talking to Callie, like you're talking to one agent. So one of those agents would be completely masterful and maintaining emotional rapport. And if emotional rapport gets shifted, then that agent is activated by the orchestrator to make sure emotional rapport is reinstated by all the things that I would do. our goal, to your friend's point,

or your colleague's point, I couldn't agree more, brother, is that we are not trying to replace the lowest end jobs. I am trying to replace me. The goal we set by the Christmas and holiday party is our agents, our top yes-causing agent, will be better than me at yes-causing

by our Christmas and holiday party this Friday, right? It's Monday, it's Friday. I don't know if we're going to get there, just in truth, but there's no way. We're not going to get there by the end of Q-1 because at this point,

our agents are better than 99% of salespeople. And that's a separate for charity million dollar bet that we have. Wow. Let me ask you this because I wonder this all the time. How long do you think it's going to be before the government steps in and makes calling people with AI agents illegal? Well, under the TCPA, and I know a lot about this. You can't call consumers now cold. right, that's a whole thing. You can call, you can call businesses. And opt-in leads. And opt-ins, yeah.

And your existing client base. So if you have, like, an existing business relationship, it's got to be like a client. Like, not somebody on your social media, right? So what do I think is going to happen with the government? I think it's going to depend on who's in office. And it's going to get really, really complicated and tricky. But the place this is going for me anyway in Fun Energy is whatever,

whatever happens, what I'm doing is I'm trying to have these agents become the top of everything for me and yes causing, putting partnership deals together. So where I think this is going is in 12 months, I think if I have it my way, I think my agent will be talking to your agent and they'll be getting to an integrity resolution of what you and I should be doing together because 100 You and I should be doing something together. The only reason we're not is because you're too busy and I'm too busy to figure it out. And we're too busy to build enough of a relationship to get through all the things. So most likely, you and I will do nothing.

And that's really foolish because you seem like an amazing human. You have an amazing reputation. I should do something. But you're super busy. I'm super busy. And probably take 15 conversations to build trust to get through all the things. but what if your agent and my agent program with mastery and integrity is communicating, figuring out, and then telling us this is what we should do, that's what I'm building.

So as somebody that is an architect of AI, obviously this stuff, I mean, we can't help, but it's coming, but it's just going to unemployed people at some point. What do you think is the long-term solution for jobs? Yeah, so it's funny. This is, dude, you're amazing. I mean, that's sincere. I don't say what I don't mean. I don't say what I don't mean because people, because I do acknowledge frequently, but I mean it.

You're an incredible question. You're listening so deep, you know, great flow, unscripted, really masterful. Thank you. I'm honored to be in the space. Thank you. So what I believe is a capitalist, so I'm a capitalist. But I didn't say that I'm like playing monopoly, right? And I didn't say I don't believe in antitrust laws.

So what I think is going to happen the end of the day is, in Tony Robbins. I spent a lot of time in his organization, at his highest level program. And I love Tony. I'm grateful. I don't agree with everything Tony says and does, but I do agree with, you know,

this and, you know, much of us thinking and others that I've heard speak at, you know, his events, some of the Ray Dalios and other people, you know, top financial minds in the world.

I am, there's no way that what I'm about to say, some form of it isn't going to happen or more is we're going to have a world of universal income Yeah. Right. It's going to have to be. I believe in that.

I do believe in safety nets. I believe that I was really blessed as I said at the beginning to have all the things happen. I have great empathy for people. So many, many jobs are going to be eliminated. And there'll be universal income. And I think the GDP, whatever form that takes, like value exchange, it might not be currency, could be block. Lots of different things.

Right. But in the end, I think there's going to be much, much more value created and people are going to have a much greater opportunity to do things that are far more meaningful to them. So I believe in movement towards more utopia than dystopia. But I do believe that there's a lot of danger. See, because my concern with that, right, is I think there's nothing more dangerous than a large swath of unmotivated population. because that's when things get tricky. And my fear of that is I agree with you're probably going to have to go to some basic universal income, but you're going to create, for lack of a better phrase, an army of unmotivated, unsatisfied people

because they're not, you know, anytime somebody's just handing you something, the value of what they're handing you becomes less and less. And, you know, I think as humans were programmed to a certain level, want to achieve things. And I think if there's no avenue for your average, for the guy that right now is working at Ford, you know what I mean? And you see that apathy creep in and just, I think that's, that's a recipe for massive discord. And that's the fear.

And brother, fully aligned, which is why, if Elon Musk called me today, it offered me, I am not a liquid billionaire at this point. I think my net worth is, is, has reached that place. right but if if um Elon Musk called and asked me today would you take a hundred billion dollars for your act eye my answer would be no there's no price i would sell act i for period hard stop no comma because what my outcome really at the end is to have everybody have like the way everybody has cell phone to have our agents they're communicating with so that building army begins to think down a different path

and hey, let's go take the Lambo, the rolls, and my beach house and let's go kill those mother efforts that are the bad guys because they have and we don't. Which is, of course, what topples every empire, every system of government and history of the planet. So I agree with you. That's why I think the war of who wins AI is so critical

and the game all the big players are playing with great respect to them is a game that I think could lead to categorical disaster which is why I was in California to begin with that's why I'm in Las Vegas today is because we want to win that game and if Bill Gates and Microsoft could come out of a garage and do it

I 100% believe we can and I believe there's 100 ways we could fail I believe there's five or six ways we can win that game but I'm very committed to winning that game for the very reasons you're saying I couldn't agree with you. Wow. All right. Well, Sean, if they want to find you, how do they find you? Yeah, it's Sean S-E-A-N-R-C-L-L-A-G-Y, because a few Sean Caligies out there. Sean R-C-R-C-R-C-R-Kal-E on Instagram. And we do have, as you do, a top-rated Apple business podcast so you can find us at the Sean Callag-C-A-L-A-G-Y, Unblinded podcast.

Love that. Dude, thanks for joining us, Sean. It was it was, it was, it was, it was, it a great conversation. Listen, what you should take away from that today. And what I'm taking away from it is a couple of things. Number one, there are no limitations to what you want to do. And that comes from physical limitations, things that may ail you, roadblocks again in the way. All of these are choices to push forward. And you have a choice whether you can push forward for the betterment of not just yourself, but those around you. And in some cases, in this case, humanity, if you will, make good choices. to you. We'll see you next week. What's up, everybody? Thanks for joining us for another episode

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